This is for all those who subscribe to askc@egroups.com:

Since Mark wanted to be removed from the list and he was the owner of the list, the list had to be recreated.  You'll already have received a msg about your subscription.  Please disregard it, since this was just part of the conversion process.

However, you do have to go and re-edit your profile (i.e. web only messages, daily digest etc.)  and reschedule any events or AIC reservations you had on the calendar.
 
Sorry for the inconvenience and thank you for your patience!!!

Gina

Scott Kranz and I attended the City Council meeting in Louisburg last night, during which they passed a motion to move the approval of a comprehensive lighting ordinance back to the City Planning Commission.  Originally, the Planning Commission had moved it to the City Council, but it looks like it went back to them.

However, it's possible that the City Council may have already drafted the ordinance and may be sending it to the Planning Commission only for discussion or approval, rather than for the drafting itself.  The language used on the agenda could be interpreted either way, and unfortunately we didn't have a chance to personally talk to the city administrator.

The next Planning Commission meeting gathers on Wed. 26th.  We'll keep you posted.

Have a great week!

Gina

So sorry to hear that, Gary. You are in our thoughts and prayers.

Jim and Sue
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Gary R. Pittman <gary_rp@swbell.net>
    To: ASKC Group <ASKC@egroups.com>
    Date: Thursday, July 20, 2000 8:51 PM
    Subject: [ASKC] July General Meeting
    
    
    Hello all,
    
    I'm sorry to report that my mother passed away this morning. The service
    will be Saturday afternoon. I doubt I'll be able to make the general meeting
    Saturday night. I believe Larry Goode is going to man the membership desk
    for me. Denise, I'll give Larry the mail labels so please be sure to get
    them from him. Scott, I'll also give Larry the absentee ballots and a list
    of ASKC members current to Saturday morning so you can check off names as
    ballots are turned in and counted.
    
    If I have forgotten something please let me know by tomorrow evening.
    
    Regards,
    
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My deepest sympathies to you Gary.  I'll keep you in my thoughts and 
prayers.

Leif



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>Reply-To: ASKC@egroups.com
>To: ASKC Group <ASKC@egroups.com>
>Subject: [ASKC] July General Meeting
>Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 20:54:45 -0500
>
>Hello all,
>
>I'm sorry to report that my mother passed away this morning. The service
>will be Saturday afternoon. I doubt I'll be able to make the general 
>meeting
>Saturday night. I believe Larry Goode is going to man the membership desk
>for me. Denise, I'll give Larry the mail labels so please be sure to get
>them from him. Scott, I'll also give Larry the absentee ballots and a list
>of ASKC members current to Saturday morning so you can check off names as
>ballots are turned in and counted.
>
>If I have forgotten something please let me know by tomorrow evening.
>
>Regards,
>
>Gary Pittman
>Please note my new e-mail address:
>gary_rp@...
>

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Sorry to hear about your family's loss Gary. 

Gary:
    Rosemary and I were very sad to hear of your loss.  We will keep you and
Linda in our thoughts and prayers.  This has not been a good week. Bill Woods
lost his mother this week also.
Sincerely,
Ron Abbott

"Gary R. Pittman" wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I'm sorry to report that my mother passed away this morning. The service
> will be Saturday afternoon. I doubt I'll be able to make the general meeting
> Saturday night. I believe Larry Goode is going to man the membership desk
> for me. Denise, I'll give Larry the mail labels so please be sure to get
> them from him. Scott, I'll also give Larry the absentee ballots and a list
> of ASKC members current to Saturday morning so you can check off names as
> ballots are turned in and counted.
>
> If I have forgotten something please let me know by tomorrow evening.
>
> Regards,
>
> Gary Pittman
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Thank you Leif, your prayers are much appreciated.

Gary & Linda

-----Original Message-----
From: Leif Bahl [mailto:leifbahl@...]
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2000 10:24 AM
To: ASKC@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] July General Meeting


My deepest sympathies to you Gary.  I'll keep you in my thoughts and 
prayers.

Leif

Thank Ron and Rosemary for your thoughts and prayers. They are very much
appreciated at this time.

Thanks also for informing me of Bill's loss.

Gary and Linda

-----Original Message-----
From: Rosemary & Ron Abbott [mailto:abbotts@...]
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2000 5:30 PM
To: ASKC@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] July General Meeting


Gary:
    Rosemary and I were very sad to hear of your loss.  We will keep you and
Linda in our thoughts and prayers.  This has not been a good week. Bill
Woods
lost his mother this week also.
Sincerely,
Ron Abbott

Thanks David. We appreciate hearing from you.

Gary & Linda
  -----Original Message-----
  From: David Young [mailto:dyoung@...]
  Sent: Friday, July 21, 2000 3:35 PM
  To: ASKC@egroups.com
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] July General Meeting


  Sorry to hear about your family's loss Gary. 

Folks,

Just to let you know, earlier today i got an email from our planned
speaker Hume Feldman ...he is a sicko and asked to bow out. Yike!! But I
called Bruce Twarog and he agreed to leap into the breach and provide
some kind of program at the meeting. So we lucked out! : ^ )
Dave

Folks, for clarification, our previous speaker at the ASKC meeting
tonight - Hume Feldman -  came down with the flu... and due to his cough
asked to reschedule his program. But, as I said, Bruce and barabara
Twarog have agreed to come tonite and provide an astronomy program.
Dave

Does anyone have a complete listing of election results? That would be
good info to post here! : ^ ).
Dave

Yes, I do and Yes I will once everyone who has won is notified.

-Scott

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Hi Folks!

Since it was supposed to be the optimal night, I observed the current
best comet in the northwest shortly after twilight. Has to be dark, and
I still had a lot of trouble seeing in binocs.....but it was easy in a
little 4.5" richfield scope from sububia in Overland Park. With this
aperature, it looked mostly like a little globular....little fuzzball,
but very evident.  I understand in larger scopes you can see a short fan
tail?
.
Other reports?   Dave

  Yes, I do and Yes I will once everyone who has won is notified.


  Just wondering why the delay since you announced the numbers in public at the meeting?

Kathy Machin is President
David Young is Vice President
Joe Alburty is Recording Secretary
Gary Pittman is Membership Secretary
Gina Fedon is Treasurer
Tom Martinez is Historian
Shelley Granger is Librarian
Amy Hahn is Social Director
Board Members at Large:
        David Hudgins
        Gloria Martinez
        T.S. Pennington
        Mike Cofer
        Joe Wright
        Sharon Goode

BY-LAW AMMENDMENTS....
Proposal #1 - One person cannot hold more than 1 voting position
______PASSED
Proposal #2 - Minor Planet Coordinator is to be elected
position_________PASSED
Proposal #3 - Remove Past Presidents from Board of
Directors_________REJECTED

Since the Minor Planet Coordinator is now elected position, one has to
be elected.  I've talked to Gina and she is willing
to continue handling it temporily until the August general Meeting.
Ballot counting went on for 1.25 hours.
Needlesstosay, most of the membership had already left by the time the
ballots were counted up.

Kathy Machin will hold an election during the August General Meeting to
select a Minor Planet Coordinator.

Official numbers of ballots and votes will be announced at the August
Board Meeting on August 10.

No numbers here because this is accessable to the world.

Mark -- I am so totally with you on this!  I've been gone to Alcon, so hope
I haven't missed the opportunity to sign the card...

Jackie

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Abraham [mailto:nova@...]
Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2000 7:39 PM
To: ASKCasteroids; ASKC
Subject: [ASKCasteroids] Larry Robinson


Hi Folks,

I want to take a few minutes of your time regarding Larry Robinson.  I can't
help but feel responsible in part for Larry quitting our club as I was the
one that initially questioned him on the Past Pres issue which ironically
wasn't even really his issue but someone else's who he decided to help out.
This is due to the kind of person Larry is.  That's the kind of person that
sticks up for people when BIG Brother tries to keep them down, that's the
kind of person that in the short time I knew him gave the club an awesome
new program, national recognition which involved countless hours of his time
and resources, and last but not least, donated a telescope with the vision
that the disabled might be able to use it and see the stars like the rest of
us.

The way I hear it, Larry has been doing this kind of stuff since he joined.
It was sad to see that I had helped participate in driving him away.  I
would lying to you if I didn't say that I too have been thinking of turning
in my membership lately.

For the time being I am going to hang out and see if this club can pick it's
self back up, find a way to get Larry to rejoin us, and all start being
kinder, more thankful to each other and grant each other the respect that we
all deserve and start having fun again enjoying the interest that brought us
all together in the first place.

To this end, while it is small effort, I have asked Gina to talk to a few of
you about getting a GIANT card and bringing it to the general meeting so
that all may have the opportunity to sign it and say thanks and please come
back to Larry.

I have swallowed my pride, how about the rest of you?  Do you really want to
be a part of a club that drives people like Larry away?  I am counting on
you all saying no to that question and joining with us to bring him back!

Thanks!
Mark @ EverStaR Observatory
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Yeah!  Cuz I wasn't there, and would love to know!  Jackie

-----Original Message-----
From: David Hudgins [mailto:dhudgins@...]
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 9:46 AM
To: ASKC Club
Subject: [ASKC] Elections results


Does anyone have a complete listing of election results? That would be
good info to post here! : ^ ).
Dave


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Dave;
I observed the comet from Powell Observatory Sunday nite using Melissa
Kirk's 8-inch dob.  It had a very bright compact nucleus and a very nice
fan-shaped tail.  It was moving very rapidly!
Ron Abbott

David Hudgins wrote:

> Hi Folks!
>
> Since it was supposed to be the optimal night, I observed the current
> best comet in the northwest shortly after twilight. Has to be dark, and
> I still had a lot of trouble seeing in binocs.....but it was easy in a
> little 4.5" richfield scope from sububia in Overland Park. With this
> aperature, it looked mostly like a little globular....little fuzzball,
> but very evident.  I understand in larger scopes you can see a short fan
> tail?
> .
> Other reports?   Dave
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I tried Friday, Saturday and last night. Still no luck from my back
yard. Too many lights to the N.W. I am hoping for a massive power
failure in that part of town. 

Maybe I should contact the guys who mowed the grass over next to  Lymax
and hire them to do some work up in that area? :) 

On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, David Hudgins wrote:

> Hi Folks!
> 
> Since it was supposed to be the optimal night, I observed the current
> best comet in the northwest shortly after twilight. Has to be dark, and
> I still had a lot of trouble seeing in binocs.....but it was easy in a
> little 4.5" richfield scope from sububia in Overland Park. With this
> aperature, it looked mostly like a little globular....little fuzzball,
> but very evident.  I understand in larger scopes you can see a short fan
> tail?
> .
> Other reports?   Dave
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Hi All,

I observed S4 Linear last night (07/23) from Powell with my 10" Dob and
it was a very nice object. I would estimate tail length of at least 45'
(it was pretty low and involved in the Kansas City light muck.)

After having first observed it when it was near M34 and again when it
was close to Alpha Persei it was really cool to see how much distance it
had covered. It was really easy to see motion last night in a telescope
- a glance at it every five minutes would show a definite change against
the background stars.

This one didn't get the attention that Hyakutake and Hale/Bopp received,
but still an interesting comet and certainly a nice diversion...


David Hudgins wrote:
> 
> Hi Folks!
> 
> Since it was supposed to be the optimal night, I observed the current
> best comet in the northwest shortly after twilight. Has to be dark, and
> I still had a lot of trouble seeing in binocs.....but it was easy in a
> little 4.5" richfield scope from sububia in Overland Park. With this
> aperature, it looked mostly like a little globular....little fuzzball,
> but very evident.  I understand in larger scopes you can see a short fan
> tail?
> .
> Other reports?   Dave
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Sincerely,

Richard & Kirsten Fredrick      

*****************************************
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Dave - 

I live a few miles south of you (roughly 175th and Quivera) and have been
watching S4 Linear all month.

On 1 July at 4:00 CST the comet (with a definite tail) was readily visible
with averted vision (and equivocally so with direct vision) from my back yard
thru a 12" LX 200.  It showed (along with the tail) on 2 minute, and better on
6 and 11 minute unguided photos taken on Fuji Superia ASA 800 film at that
time.

By last week the comet was moving fast enough relative to the background that
exposures taken autoguiding on nearby "fixed" stars caused the comet nucleus
to blur into a line, and turned the tail to an indistinct diffuse haze in 5
minute exposures.

I have visually observed the comet during the last 4 days in the early
evening.  From here the comet nucleus and tail have been easily seen thru the
12", not only by me but by others with little experience looking thru
telescopes.  I have also viewed the comet thru an ETX piggybacked on my LX 200
and could see it easily along with a definite tail.

Tonight I could see the comet and tail easily by 9:45 (well before
astronomical twilight) but had difficuly by 11:00 when the comet had sunk
toward the northern horizon (and the lights of Overland Park).  I haven't been
able to see it at all in 10X50 binoculars from here.

-Dave Dembinski




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Hi Folks!

Since it was supposed to be the optimal night, I observed the current
best comet in the northwest shortly after twilight. Has to be dark, and
I still had a lot of trouble seeing in binocs.....but it was easy in a
little 4.5" richfield scope from sububia in Overland Park. With this
aperature, it looked mostly like a little globular....little fuzzball,
but very evident.  I understand in larger scopes you can see a short fan
tail?
.
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Folks,

FYI, I went ahead and sent a $50 floral arrangement to Barbara
Anthoney-Twarog with a card from the ASKC....to thank her for jumping in
last Saturday with a program at the General Meeting...with less than a
day's notice!

Dave

David,

That was an appropriate gesture.  Thank you for doing that!

Gina
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: David Hudgins 
  To: ASKC Club 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 7:46 AM
  Subject: [ASKC] Sent flowers to Barbara Twarog


  Folks,

  FYI, I went ahead and sent a $50 floral arrangement to Barbara
  Anthoney-Twarog with a card from the ASKC....to thank her for jumping in
  last Saturday with a program at the General Meeting...with less than a
  day's notice!

  Dave


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Hello everyone,

I'm looking for someone who would be willing to trade public nights with
me.  I have duty Saturday, August 5, but I have a boy scout activity
that weekend that I would like to attend.  The topic is meteors, and
this is team 4.  If you would be willing to trade with me, please email
back or call me at 913-962-7155.

Thanks,
Kyle

Hi all:  For those of you who do not subscribe to the Variable Star Network,
the following should be of interest to everyone.  A cataclysmic outburst of
a naked eye star is occurring right now!  The first one since 1937! Read
below for the info:

Tom Martinez
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   The first observer who noticed the change of this star was Sebastian
Otero (Argentina), an intensive observer of the VSNET.  Otero reported to
VSNET that the star looks brighter than normal, and called for spectroscopic
observation.  Upon this notification, a group led by Spanish astronomer
Fabregat confirmed the dramatic change in the star's spectrum.  The object
had no or little emission lines in the past, but the present observation
confirmed the emergence of emission lines.  The star was thus identified
as a genuine Be (B-star with emission lines) star.  Ths star is presently
reported as magnitude 1.9 and looks like to brighten further, reported to
have changed the impression of the constellation!

    Such a striking outburst of a Be star is next the the spectacular event
of gamma Cas in 1937 April, 63 years back!  Please closely look at this
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David:

A very thoughtful gesture, Dave.  Both Bruce and Barbara have been great
speakers at many ASKC meetings and Mid-States Regional conventions over the
years and we definitely need to let them know we really appreciate their
support.

And let me thank you for being one of the best vice-presidents these past
two years.  Its a hard job looking for programs and speakers each month.
You have come up with some great ones.

Tom Martinez

-----Original Message-----
From: David Hudgins [mailto:dhudgins@...]

FYI, I went ahead and sent a $50 floral arrangement to Barbara
Anthoney-Twarog with a card from the ASKC....to thank her for jumping in
last Saturday with a program at the General Meeting...with less than a
day's notice!

I always new you had class David. Nice touch and very appropriate!

Problem solved.  Richard Fredrick needed to trade his next public night
anyway, so this works out well for both of us.

Kyle Smalley wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> I'm looking for someone who would be willing to trade public nights
> with
> me.  I have duty Saturday, August 5, but I have a boy scout activity
> that weekend that I would like to attend.  The topic is meteors, and
> this is team 4.  If you would be willing to trade with me, please
> email
> back or call me at 913-962-7155.
> 
> Thanks,
> Kyle

Great move David. Very appropriate.

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: David Hudgins [mailto:dhudgins@...]
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 7:46 AM
To: ASKC Club
Subject: [ASKC] Sent flowers to Barbara Twarog


Folks,

FYI, I went ahead and sent a $50 floral arrangement to Barbara
Anthoney-Twarog with a card from the ASKC....to thank her for jumping in
last Saturday with a program at the General Meeting...with less than a
day's notice!

Dave


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Thanks David,
Very appropriate
Kathy
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Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 7:46 AM
Subject: [ASKC] Sent flowers to Barbara Twarog


> Folks,
> 
> FYI, I went ahead and sent a $50 floral arrangement to Barbara
> Anthoney-Twarog with a card from the ASKC....to thank her for jumping in
> last Saturday with a program at the General Meeting...with less than a
> day's notice!
> 
> Dave
> 
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NEW MOON OF JUPITER FOUND
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Astronomers with the Spacewatch project at the University of Arizona 
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Me too.   dt

-----Original Message-----
From:	Jackie Beucher [mailto:m31@...]
Sent:	Monday, July 24, 2000 7:16 PM
To:	ASKCasteroids@egroups.com; ASKC
Subject:	[ASKC] RE: [ASKCasteroids] Larry Robinson

Mark -- I am so totally with you on this!  I've been gone to Alcon, so hope
I haven't missed the opportunity to sign the card...

Jackie

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Abraham [mailto:nova@...]
Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2000 7:39 PM
To: ASKCasteroids; ASKC
Subject: [ASKCasteroids] Larry Robinson


Hi Folks,

I want to take a few minutes of your time regarding Larry Robinson.  I can't
help but feel responsible in part for Larry quitting our club as I was the
one that initially questioned him on the Past Pres issue which ironically
wasn't even really his issue but someone else's who he decided to help out.
This is due to the kind of person Larry is.  That's the kind of person that
sticks up for people when BIG Brother tries to keep them down, that's the
kind of person that in the short time I knew him gave the club an awesome
new program, national recognition which involved countless hours of his time
and resources, and last but not least, donated a telescope with the vision
that the disabled might be able to use it and see the stars like the rest of
us.

The way I hear it, Larry has been doing this kind of stuff since he joined.
It was sad to see that I had helped participate in driving him away.  I
would lying to you if I didn't say that I too have been thinking of turning
in my membership lately.

For the time being I am going to hang out and see if this club can pick it's
self back up, find a way to get Larry to rejoin us, and all start being
kinder, more thankful to each other and grant each other the respect that we
all deserve and start having fun again enjoying the interest that brought us
all together in the first place.

To this end, while it is small effort, I have asked Gina to talk to a few of
you about getting a GIANT card and bringing it to the general meeting so
that all may have the opportunity to sign it and say thanks and please come
back to Larry.

I have swallowed my pride, how about the rest of you?  Do you really want to
be a part of a club that drives people like Larry away?  I am counting on
you all saying no to that question and joining with us to bring him back!

Thanks!
Mark @ EverStaR Observatory
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  Me too.   dt

  -----Original Message-----
  From:      Jackie Beucher [mailto:m31@...]
  Sent:      Monday, July 24, 2000 7:16 PM
  To:      ASKCasteroids@egroups.com; ASKC
  Subject:      [ASKC] RE: [ASKCasteroids] Larry Robinson

  Mark -- I am so totally with you on this!  I've been gone to Alcon, so hope
  I haven't missed the opportunity to sign the card...



  Card?  What card?
  I would also like to sign.

I will not be able to make it tonight's City Planning meeting in Louisburg.  I have some commitments and I do not feel well.  Scott Kranz cannot go, and I'm not sure if Nick Reuss can either.  

Following what came about last Monday at the City Council, it's probable that some discussion and a decision regarding the zoning and lighting ordinance will take place at tonight's meeting, and it'd be good if someone from the ASKC is present. 

Is anyone available to go??  Meetings usually start at 6:30pm at City Hall (old Highschool Building).

Thank you so very much!  I've been trying to attend every weekly meeting in Louisburg, but tonight I really, really can't.

Gina

Hi all,

I hope you all won't regard this as spam.  I had a good customer bring in 
an 8" LX-200 for consignment.  He can no longer use it for medical 
reasons.  It is in MINT condition.  He has used it maybe 5 times in the 
last two years. I have already put it up on Astromart and it will go fast - 
but I thought the local CCDers might want a crack at it.  It's $2000.00 - 
Including the tripod, a wedge, and telrad.

Sorry if anyone feels this is an inappropriate post.  I will come up with a 
separate list so I don't have to post it here to reach interested 
ASKCers.  If you would like for me to email you when I have special deals 
like this, please let me know.

Thanks,

Bob (Lymax)

Gina,
I'll try to be there, and I hope a few more people can make it as well.
Kathy
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Gina Fedon 
  To: ASKC@egroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 10:53 AM
  Subject: [ASKC] Tonight's Louisburg Meeting


  I will not be able to make it tonight's City Planning meeting in Louisburg.  I have some commitments and I do not feel well.  Scott Kranz cannot go, and I'm not sure if Nick Reuss can either.  

  Following what came about last Monday at the City Council, it's probable that some discussion and a decision regarding the zoning and lighting ordinance will take place at tonight's meeting, and it'd be good if someone from the ASKC is present. 

  Is anyone available to go??  Meetings usually start at 6:30pm at City Hall (old Highschool Building).

  Thank you so very much!  I've been trying to attend every weekly meeting in Louisburg, but tonight I really, really can't.

  Gina

Gina:  I would like to be there also, but I also have other commitments.
Hopefully someone will be there.

Tom
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Gina Fedon [mailto:antares@...]

  I will not be able to make it tonight's City Planning meeting in
Louisburg.  I have some commitments and I do not feel well.

  Gina

Bob:  If you send e-mails about special deals, please put me on your list.
You are one of the few people I wouldn't mind getting ads from.

Tom Martinez

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Haler [mailto:rhaler@...]

I hope you all won't regard this as spam.  I had a good customer bring in
an 8" LX-200 for consignment.
Sorry if anyone feels this is an inappropriate post.  I will come up with a
separate list so I don't have to post it here to reach interested
ASKCers.  If you would like for me to email you when I have special deals
like this, please let me know.

Gina, yes, it would be good to have people there. But I have a high
school buddy I haven't seen in years passing through KC tonite ....I
can't make it. Sorry!
Dave

Gina Fedon wrote:

> I will not be able to make it tonight's City Planning meeting in
> Louisburg.  I have some commitments and I do not feel well.  Scott
> Kranz cannot go, and I'm not sure if Nick Reuss can either. Following
> what came about last Monday at the City Council, it's probable that
> some discussion and a decision regarding the zoning and lighting
> ordinance will take place at tonight's meeting, and it'd be good if
> someone from the ASKC is present. Is anyone available to go??
> Meetings usually start at 6:30pm at City Hall (old Highschool
> Building). Thank you so very much!  I've been trying to attend every
> weekly meeting in Louisburg, but tonight I really, really can't. Gina
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
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In a weak moment I have agreed to take over the scheduling job again. The line will be forwarded to my home phone line which will not answer ASKC. If you call to schedule a night don't be freaked when you hear "This is David Young ......yada, yada, yada.

Sorry Gina, I just arrived home from work at 7:00 and didn't read mail until
8:15 so it would be pointless for me to try to go. Hope you feel better
soon.

Gary
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Gina Fedon [mailto:antares@...]
  Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 10:53 AM
  To: ASKC@egroups.com
  Subject: [ASKC] Tonight's Louisburg Meeting


  I will not be able to make it tonight's City Planning meeting in
Louisburg.  I have some commitments and I do not feel well.  Scott Kranz
cannot go, and I'm not sure if Nick Reuss can either.

  Following what came about last Monday at the City Council, it's probable
that some discussion and a decision regarding the zoning and lighting
ordinance will take place at tonight's meeting, and it'd be good if someone
from the ASKC is present.

  Is anyone available to go??  Meetings usually start at 6:30pm at City Hall
(old Highschool Building).

  Thank you so very much!  I've been trying to attend every weekly meeting
in Louisburg, but tonight I really, really can't.

  Gina


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David, the phone number stays the same for the public... right?  I don't need to change Startouch?

rett

What, if anything, do we have going this weekend? Tom and Jeannie Clark, editors of Amateur Astronomy magazine may be passing thru the Kansas City area and if possible, I'd like to get them out to Powell. 
Thanks
Kathy
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: David Young 
  To: ASKC@egroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 8:27 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] scheduling


  In a weak moment I have agreed to take over the scheduling job again. The line will be forwarded to my home phone line which will not answer ASKC. If you call to schedule a night don't be freaked when you hear "This is David Young ......yada, yada, yada.

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I do not have any information yet. David Probert thought he would be able to get by today to drop of the stuff before 10:30 AM.  I hung around until 10:35  and then left to get to my 10:30 physical therapy appointment. Unable to travel faster than light, I was late.

The star party calendar on the web page indicates a private night on Sunday. I think Ron Abbot has that night reserved but I'm not sure. No other nights show reserved. Saturday is a public night with no scheduled program.

I'll let you know if/when I know more.

Thanks for the offer of "mail deals."  I would like to hear of more when
they might arrive.  Dick T

-----Original Message-----
From:	Tom Martinez [mailto:martinez@...]
Sent:	Wednesday, July 26, 2000 5:36 PM
To:	ASKC@egroups.com
Subject:	RE: [ASKC] LX-200 8" USED

Bob:  If you send e-mails about special deals, please put me on your list.
You are one of the few people I wouldn't mind getting ads from.

Tom Martinez

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Haler [mailto:rhaler@...]

I hope you all won't regard this as spam.  I had a good customer bring in
an 8" LX-200 for consignment.
Sorry if anyone feels this is an inappropriate post.  I will come up with a
separate list so I don't have to post it here to reach interested
ASKCers.  If you would like for me to email you when I have special deals
like this, please let me know.




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Kathy, E and B teams have the AIC reserved for Friday night. We'll be there if it is clear. 

rett

Hi All,

Am I missing something?

rett alonzi wrote:
> 
> ��<


-- 


Sincerely,

Richard Fredrick      

*****************************************
* Overland Park, KS USA                 *
* 38.977N 94.656W                       *
* rkfred@...                     *
*****************************************

  Hi All,

  Am I missing something?

  rett alonzi wrote:
  > 
  > ÿþ<


  I think Rett is swearing?

Yesterday I switched the reservation line to David Young.  They told me the change would take place within hours, so David, be ready for those phone calls! :-)

Have a good weekend!

Gina

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> Hi All,
> 
> Am I missing something?
> 
> rett alonzi wrote:
> > 
> > ÿþ<
> 
> 
> 

- -- 

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randy@...
http://rrr.2y.net


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I think that:    > ��<   is a local slang term used only in, or near Leavenworth, Kansas.  It has no direct translation to english, but loosely translated means, "I wish it wasn't so *)@&^ cloudy".

John Anderson
anderiii@...
 
ASKC@egroups.com wrote:
> Hi All,
Am I missing something?

rett alonzi wrote:
> 
> ��-

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John:  I didn't know you hung around Leavenworth (how else would you pick up
on the local slang?)

By the way, I watched the movie "Longitude" (on TNT)  after you mentioned it
at David's observatory opening.  What a great movie, even though it was 3
hours long, its the kind of historical stuff I like.  Since I like to
construct scopes and equipment, rather than buy them, watching the
construction of some of the clocks was fascinating.  Barbara Anthony-Twarog
mentioned the movie in her talk at the ASKC meeting last Saturday.

Thanks for telling me about it.

If the movie every comes out again on TV, you ASKCers out there out to watch
it.

Tom
-----Original Message-----
From: anderiii@...

I think that:    > ��<   is a local slang term used only in, or near
Leavenworth, Kansas.  It has no direct translation to english, but loosely
translated means, "I wish it wasn't so *)@&^ cloudy".

John Anderson
anderiii@...

If you want to read a great story about observing comet Linear by a 
professional astronomer using professional telescopes, log on to the  
cometlinear.com webpage, then click on "has not survived perihelion".

Tom

Hello All,
 I just wanted to say thanks for everyone that helped out while I was
doing the scheduling.

Thanks
Dave Probert

Dave, You did  the hardest part... We just had the fun side of it all.  We thank you for doing all the work setting the starparties up.

rett

Rett,

Every message I've seen from you lately has looked just like the one below.
No text included. Are you having a problem with your computer?

Gary Pittman
  -----Original Message-----
  From: rett alonzi [mailto:ralonzi@...]
  Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2000 6:25 PM
  To: ASKC@egroups.com
  Subject: [ASKC] Thank you Dave Probert


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Bob, I don't mind receiving mailings on stuff like this. Not from you
anyway. If you catch a lot of flack from others about putting it on the ASKC
list then you might think about a group list to those of us who ask to
receive such mailings.

Gary Pittman

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Haler [mailto:rhaler@...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 4:21 PM
To: ASKC@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] LX-200 8" USED


Hi all,

I hope you all won't regard this as spam.  I had a good customer bring in
an 8" LX-200 for consignment.  He can no longer use it for medical
reasons.  It is in MINT condition.  He has used it maybe 5 times in the
last two years. I have already put it up on Astromart and it will go fast -
but I thought the local CCDers might want a crack at it.  It's $2000.00 -
Including the tripod, a wedge, and telrad.

Sorry if anyone feels this is an inappropriate post.  I will come up with a
separate list so I don't have to post it here to reach interested
ASKCers.  If you would like for me to email you when I have special deals
like this, please let me know.

Thanks,

Bob (Lymax)




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It's only with the HTML formatted messages that he's replying to that's the
problem. Either his email browser is not handling the HTML messages
properly, or is unable to handle replies to HTML messages.

Darren J Kindberg
Secretary & Co-Webmaster
Heartland Humanists
http://heartland.humanists.net
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Gary R. Pittman [mailto:gary_rp@...]
  Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2000 8:39 AM
  To: ASKC@egroups.com
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] Thank you Dave Probert


  Rett,

  Every message I've seen from you lately has looked just like the one
below. No text included. Are you having a problem with your computer?

  Gary Pittman
    -----Original Message-----
    From: rett alonzi [mailto:ralonzi@...]
    Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2000 6:25 PM
    To: ASKC@egroups.com
    Subject: [ASKC] Thank you Dave Probert


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Hi All,

I know I run the risk of offending some people, but here goes...

Why, in a group situation, are people sending HTML formatted messages?

-- 


Sincerely,

Richard Fredrick      

*****************************************
* Overland Park, KS USA                 *
* 38.977N 94.656W                       *
* rkfred@...                     *
*****************************************

Maybe because they don't know you can set it up different ways.  Maybe they
don't even know what HTML is.  So it is up to us to help in those
situations.

Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard & Kirsten Fredrick [mailto:rkfred@...]

Hi All,

I know I run the risk of offending some people, but here goes...

Why, in a group situation, are people sending HTML formatted messages?

ÿþ< ÿþ< ÿþ< ÿþ< ÿþ< ÿþ< ÿþ< ÿþ< ÿþ< ÿþ<
ÿþ< ÿþ< ÿþ< ÿþ< ÿþ< ÿþ< ÿþ< 
ÿþ< ÿþ< ÿþ< ÿþ< ÿþ< ÿþ< ÿþ< ÿþ< ÿþ< ÿþ<
ÿþ< ÿþ< ÿþ< ÿþ< ÿþ< ÿþ< ÿþ<

Well I think I figured it out. Last week when Gina told us we had to 
re-do our three eGroups again, I guess I just got back into the 
eGroups of ASKCasteroids and the ASKCKeyHolders, but somehow missed 
the eGroup ASKC.  So some of my mails were going through... unless I 
was replying to a mail that came out of the ASKC group. Then the 
dreaded  " ÿþ< " was sent cuz I wasn't a recognized member.

Thanks to all who tried to help me. 
ÿþ< 

Right, Tom.
I, for one, am learning by trial and error. A kind word to tell me how and
where to set things up correctly will always be welcome. Until my computer
was hooked up to a modem in mid-May, I never had to be concerned about such
stuff. If the default for something was messed up originally or I messed it
up, let me know. Hey, it wasn't so long ago that I tried to set up an
equatorial mount with the polar axis pointing south ;-)
No wonder I like my Dob
Kathy


----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Martinez" <martinez@...>
To: <ASKC@egroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2000 4:55 PM
Subject: RE: [ASKC] Thank you Dave Probert


> Maybe because they don't know you can set it up different ways.  Maybe
they
> don't even know what HTML is.  So it is up to us to help in those
> situations.
>
> Tom
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard & Kirsten Fredrick [mailto:rkfred@...]
>
> Hi All,
>
> I know I run the risk of offending some people, but here goes...
>
> Why, in a group situation, are people sending HTML formatted messages?

Dave,
You did a great job scheduling, and we're thankful for all the time and
effort you put in.
Thank you
Kathy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Probert" <davepro@...>
To: <ASKC@egroups.com>; <ASKCKeyHolders@egroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2000 5:08 PM
Subject: [ASKC] Thanks


> Hello All,
>  I just wanted to say thanks for everyone that helped out while I was
> doing the scheduling.
>
> Thanks
> Dave Probert
>

Shoot.  I would have come down to visit if I had known.....  Oh, well.....
jackie, the dummy who doesn't check her e-mail very often....
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Kathy Machin [mailto:kmachin@...]
    Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 6:28 PM
    To: ASKC@egroups.com
    Subject: Re: [ASKC] scheduling


    What, if anything, do we have going this weekend? Tom and Jeannie Clark,
editors of Amateur Astronomy magazine may be passing thru the Kansas City
area and if possible, I'd like to get them out to Powell.
    Thanks
    Kathy
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: David Young
        To: ASKC@egroups.com
        Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 8:27 PM
        Subject: [ASKC] scheduling


        In a weak moment I have agreed to take over the scheduling job
again. The line will be forwarded to my home phone line which will not
answer ASKC. If you call to schedule a night don't be freaked when you hear
"This is David Young ......yada, yada, yada.

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You did a GREAT job, Dave.  We all appreciate your efforts.  Your job was
not an easy one!  Jackie

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Probert [mailto:davepro@...]
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2000 5:09 PM
To: ASKC@egroups.com; ASKCKeyHolders@egroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Thanks


Hello All,
 I just wanted to say thanks for everyone that helped out while I was
doing the scheduling.

Thanks
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Well, nothing lost, this time.
Tom and Jeannie stopped by for a couple of hours Saturday but didn't have the time to go down to the observatory. They are on the way to the Nebraska star party. Tom said he'd really like an article about Powell observatory in a future issue of the magazine. We'd need to get someone to shoot a roll of film and someone to write a page or two. That ought to be do-able.
Kathy
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jackie Beucher 
  To: ASKC@egroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2000 8:02 PM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] scheduling


  Shoot.  I would have come down to visit if I had known.....  Oh, well.....  jackie, the dummy who doesn't check her e-mail very often....
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Kathy Machin [mailto:kmachin@...]
    Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 6:28 PM
    To: ASKC@egroups.com
    Subject: Re: [ASKC] scheduling


    What, if anything, do we have going this weekend? Tom and Jeannie Clark, editors of Amateur Astronomy magazine may be passing thru the Kansas City area and if possible, I'd like to get them out to Powell. 
    Thanks
    Kathy
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: David Young 
      To: ASKC@egroups.com 
      Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 8:27 PM
      Subject: [ASKC] scheduling


      In a weak moment I have agreed to take over the scheduling job again. The line will be forwarded to my home phone line which will not answer ASKC. If you call to schedule a night don't be freaked when you hear "This is David Young ......yada, yada, yada.

Anybody have any ideas for this young enthusiast?
Kathy


>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nathan Haverland" <nathanh@...>
> To: <askc@...>
> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 10:24 PM
> Subject: Senior Project
>
>
> : Hello my name is Nathan Haverland and I am going to be a senior at
> : Bonner Springs High School this coming school year.  Every year, the
> : seniors are asked to complete a project during the school year.  This
> : project can be anything the student chooses but it has to have a
> : product, a research paper, and a presentation infront of a board, at the
> : conclusion of the project.  The reason why I wrote this letter is
> : because I am hoping to do my senior project on something that deals with
> : astronomy but my problem is that I don't know exactly I want to do.  I
> : was hoping that someone might be able to give me a few suggestions.  I
> : have concidered making a telescope and also taking pictures of planets,
> : stars, galaxies, etc also but was searching for other possible ideas.  I
> : do have the access to a telescope so I was trying to think of something
> : I could do with it but nothing has come up.  That is why I thought of
> : building a telescope.  By doing that I would learn quite a bit about
> : telescopes and such but the cost was my only problem.  I wasn't sure how
> : much making a telescope would cost.
> :
> : Well if you guys could provide any ideas or input, I would greatly
> : appreciate it. Thank you very much for your time.
> :
> : Nathan Haverland
> :
>

Perhaps the young man can get involved with one of our Asteroid and
Supernova patrol teams.  That would involve no monetary expenditure except
travel to the observatory.  He would get involved with research grade
equipment and techniques.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kathy Machin [mailto:kmachin@...]
> Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2000 8:34 PM
> To: ASKC@egroups.com
> Subject: [ASKC] Fw: Senior Project
>
>
> Anybody have any ideas for this young enthusiast?
> Kathy
>
>
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Nathan Haverland" <nathanh@...>
> > To: <askc@...>
> > Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 10:24 PM
> > Subject: Senior Project
> >
> >
> > : Hello my name is Nathan Haverland and I am going to be a senior at
> > : Bonner Springs High School this coming school year.  Every year, the
> > : seniors are asked to complete a project during the school year.  This
> > : project can be anything the student chooses but it has to have a
> > : product, a research paper, and a presentation infront of a
> board, at the
> > : conclusion of the project.  The reason why I wrote this letter is
> > : because I am hoping to do my senior project on something that
> deals with
> > : astronomy but my problem is that I don't know exactly I want to do.  I
> > : was hoping that someone might be able to give me a few suggestions.  I
> > : have concidered making a telescope and also taking pictures
> of planets,
> > : stars, galaxies, etc also but was searching for other
> possible ideas.  I
> > : do have the access to a telescope so I was trying to think of
> something
> > : I could do with it but nothing has come up.  That is why I thought of
> > : building a telescope.  By doing that I would learn quite a bit about
> > : telescopes and such but the cost was my only problem.  I
> wasn't sure how
> > : much making a telescope would cost.
> > :
> > : Well if you guys could provide any ideas or input, I would greatly
> > : appreciate it. Thank you very much for your time.
> > :
> > : Nathan Haverland
> > :
> >
>
>
> 
>
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>
>
>

Let's see if Walt can talk to him.  He's been working with Bonner H.S. on a
different level and this is quite litterally in his back yard.


ICSTARS Astronomy
http://www.icstars.com
http://www.astronomicaltours.net
"May starlight always fall on your path."
-----Original Message-----
From: Kathy Machin <kmachin@...>
To: ASKC@egroups.com <ASKC@egroups.com>
Date: Sunday, July 30, 2000 8:26 PM
Subject: [ASKC] Fw: Senior Project


>Anybody have any ideas for this young enthusiast?
>Kathy
>
>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Nathan Haverland" <nathanh@...>
>> To: <askc@...>
>> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 10:24 PM
>> Subject: Senior Project
>>
>>
>> : Hello my name is Nathan Haverland and I am going to be a senior at
>> : Bonner Springs High School this coming school year.  Every year, the
>> : seniors are asked to complete a project during the school year.  This
>> : project can be anything the student chooses but it has to have a
>> : product, a research paper, and a presentation infront of a board, at
the
>> : conclusion of the project.  The reason why I wrote this letter is
>> : because I am hoping to do my senior project on something that deals
with
>> : astronomy but my problem is that I don't know exactly I want to do.  I
>> : was hoping that someone might be able to give me a few suggestions.  I
>> : have concidered making a telescope and also taking pictures of planets,
>> : stars, galaxies, etc also but was searching for other possible ideas.
I
>> : do have the access to a telescope so I was trying to think of something
>> : I could do with it but nothing has come up.  That is why I thought of
>> : building a telescope.  By doing that I would learn quite a bit about
>> : telescopes and such but the cost was my only problem.  I wasn't sure
how
>> : much making a telescope would cost.
>> :
>> : Well if you guys could provide any ideas or input, I would greatly
>> : appreciate it. Thank you very much for your time.
>> :
>> : Nathan Haverland
>> :
>>
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Hi... Mark and I were watching an excellent PBS video called "Mysteries of the Deep Sky:  To the Edge of the Universe," and at a certain point they showed the Texas Start Party and there's a smiling Gil Machin and his trademark, the "cannon" scope!  :-)  

And Tom Martinez was mentioned in more than one chapter in Kriege & Berry's "The Dobsonian Telescope: A Practical Manual for Building Large Aperture Telescopes."

You guys do get around!  :-)

Gina

Nathan, one possibility might be to see if any of our club telescope kits are
available (contact David Young at dyoung@...). These  make nice 4-1/4"
reflectors for around $150 when I checked last. Easy to put together. Then,
experiment with taking pictures through the scope of the moon. There are various
books with good instructions on how to do this.Then for your report describe the
telescope, lunar phtograpphy, and the major features you were able to photograph
like maria and craters, plus maybe one or two of the Apollo landing sites. Your
best photos of moon and scope, along with the writeup would make a fine project!

Dave Hudgins

Kathy Machin wrote:

> Anybody have any ideas for this young enthusiast?
> Kathy
>
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Nathan Haverland" <nathanh@...>
> > To: <askc@...>
> > Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 10:24 PM
> > Subject: Senior Project
> >
> >
> > : Hello my name is Nathan Haverland and I am going to be a senior at
> > : Bonner Springs High School this coming school year.  Every year, the
> > : seniors are asked to complete a project during the school year.  This
> > : project can be anything the student chooses but it has to have a
> > : product, a research paper, and a presentation infront of a board, at the
> > : conclusion of the project.  The reason why I wrote this letter is
> > : because I am hoping to do my senior project on something that deals with
> > : astronomy but my problem is that I don't know exactly I want to do.  I
> > : was hoping that someone might be able to give me a few suggestions.  I
> > : have concidered making a telescope and also taking pictures of planets,
> > : stars, galaxies, etc also but was searching for other possible ideas.  I
> > : do have the access to a telescope so I was trying to think of something
> > : I could do with it but nothing has come up.  That is why I thought of
> > : building a telescope.  By doing that I would learn quite a bit about
> > : telescopes and such but the cost was my only problem.  I wasn't sure how
> > : much making a telescope would cost.
> > :
> > : Well if you guys could provide any ideas or input, I would greatly
> > : appreciate it. Thank you very much for your time.
> > :
> > : Nathan Haverland
> > :
> >
>
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Hi All!

Darren Kindberg needs to do some work at the AIC on Tuesday night, but he is not a keyholder.  Anyone available?  He could be there at 8pm.  The work he needs to do is rather important, otherwise all  Rett, Donald and Darren did last Saturday won't be useable.

Thank you in advance!!  :-)

Gina

Hi Gina,

Looking at the calendar - Tuesday is reserved by Teams B&E. I assume a
keyholder made that reservation...


> Gina Fedon wrote:
> 
> Hi All!
> 
> Darren Kindberg needs to do some work at the AIC on Tuesday night, but
> he is not a keyholder.  Anyone available?  He could be there at 8pm.
> The work he needs to do is rather important, otherwise all  Rett,
> Donald and Darren did last Saturday won't be useable.
> 
> Thank you in advance!!  :-)
> 
> Gina
> 

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...

And a Vic Winter comet photo appears in a NASA news story today:

http://spacescience.com/headlines/y2000/ast31jul_1m.htm

Why doesn't someone invite him to the AIC to hunt droids for a few nights.  
Heaven's knows, we can always use some more help.\
Tim Kristl

Rett will be there Tuesday in the AIC.

--- In ASKC@egroups.com, "Vic & jen Winter, ICSTARS Webmaster" 
<webmaster@i...> wrote:
> Let's see if Walt can talk to him.  He's been working with Bonner 
H.S. on a
> different level and this is quite litterally in his back yard.

I have already been in contact with Nathan. What this "senior projet" 
involves is a little more than showing up and hunting asteroids. This 
is a year long project, involving development of an idea, researching 
it, presenting many "mini papers" for approval, doing "mini orals" 
before a review board, and then execution of final presentation 
before the board and faculty. 2 years ago, I was mentor to Katie 
Fesenmyer, who built a 6" f4.5 reflector. Just "putting him to work" 
won't cut it. The review board, and requirements are quite stringent 
as to what the individual does and presents. An already, "in place" 
program, that the student just joins and does, isn't what this senior 
project is all about.

^?þ

Rett, your messages are making it to the list.  They're in text/HTML
format; what's in the text part is fine; what's in the HTML part is
the garbage above.  Somehow your mail client is screwing up the HTML
portion, and that just happens to be what is displayed by default.
Others who get these messages; if all you see is garbage display the
plain text portion and you will see what Rett wrote.

I hope you can figure this out, Rett; I'm afraid I'm glad it's your
problem and not mine.    :)

Dennis

Well on a lark I "bounced" Rett's message to my Microsoft Exchange
account and opened it in Outlook.  Outlook opened it as HTML and
didn't even give me a hint that there was a plain text part.  So there
was no way of me even seeing Rett's message.

I hope that Outlook is not typical in this regard, but I'm afraid it
may be.  And this may be confounding the mystery for some of you.

Dennis

Hi Gina,

There was no entry in the reservation book for Friday or Saturday. I have now listed YOU as the reserving member for those nights.

Folks, a busy place at Powell last night. Pretty good turn out for
public night and the program on metoeorites. And big turnout (about a
dozen) for the cccd workshop. Cars were parked 2/3 the length of the
field...with the new maintenance shed plopped right in the middle of it
all. Yike!
Dave

Hi Folks.....I am wondering why this club chat area has been so quiet?
Anybody having any fun?
Dave

> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Hudgins [mailto:dhudgins@...]
> Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 4:19 PM
> To: ASKC Club
> Subject: [ASKC] Hello...anybody out there, heh-heh?
>
>
> Hi Folks.....I am wondering why this club chat area has been so quiet?
> Anybody having any fun?
> Dave
>
>

Yep. That's why it's so quiet. In case anyone is interested, I got my
newsletter today.



Darren J Kindberg
Secretary & Co-Webmaster
Heartland Humanists
http://heartland.humanists.net

No, darn it.  No fun....just coasting thru the summer letting my little foot
mend....  jackie

-----Original Message-----
From: David Hudgins [mailto:dhudgins@...]
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 4:19 PM
To: ASKC Club
Subject: [ASKC] Hello...anybody out there, heh-heh?


Hi Folks.....I am wondering why this club chat area has been so quiet?
Anybody having any fun?
Dave




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Well I've been quiet for a couple of days because I haven't had any darn electicity for a while. It just came back on about an hour ago. 

Is that what it takes to keep you quiet? <G>

Seriously, how long have you been powerless? E-mail has been strangely
silent for several days. I'm wondering if everyone has been without power.

Gary
  -----Original Message-----
  From: David Young [mailto:dyoung@...]
  Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 10:12 PM
  To: ASKC@egroups.com
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] Hello...anybody out there, heh-heh?


  Well I've been quiet for a couple of days because I haven't had any darn
electicity for a while. It just came back on about an hour ago.
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Been busy too. We are moving the equipment yard to the Argintene district. Only another couple of hundred thousand pounds of pipe, pumps, trailers and miscellaneous steel to go! It's been some nasty sweaty work to mix in with the usual well drilling fun, tree limb removal, reading by candle light, etc.

I've found a really bizarre way to hurt myself thru astronomy...

I have a 12" LX200 which is NOT pier mounted.  I usually enlist the help of my
son or wife to carry it outside.  Last weekend my family went out-of-town,
leaving me to fend for myself. I recently got a new SBIG ST7e camera and
Friday night I couldn't resist hauling everything outside alone - the only
really tough part was the OTA which, at an awkward 70 lbs., really is a bitch
to manhandle onto the superwedge.  I thought I managed OK though.

When my family got back to town, my wife's first question was "What did you do
to your eye?"  Though I hadn't noticed before, the white part of the outside
half of my left eye was bright red!

I soon figured out what had happened (in real life I'm an M.D.) - by straining
to position the scope on the wedge a few days earlier I must have broken a
small blood vessel just below the sclera (the white part), causing a
subconjunctival hemorrhage.  This can sometimes happen with a direct blow to
the eye (which I did not have); I've also seen some dramatic ones in women as
a result of labor.  Mine is the first astronomy related case I have ever
seen.

My eye is fine.  Subconjunctival bleeds don't cause any symptoms and resolve
spontaneously.  They look worse than they are.  I've attached a photo
(warning: it's a little gross).  Note that as the blood is absorbing it is
broken down into green and yellow pigments, much like in a bruise.

Looks like I need an observatory!

-Dave Dembinski   

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Well David, I've seen or heard of a few astronomy related injuries but yours
is definitely the most colorful. One wouldn't normally think to relate a
hemorrhaging eyeball to lifting a heavy telescope part.

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: David dembinski [mailto:ddembinski@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 9:36 PM
To: ASKC@egroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] telescope related eye injury


I've found a really bizarre way to hurt myself thru astronomy...

I have a 12" LX200 which is NOT pier mounted.  I usually enlist the help of
my
son or wife to carry it outside.  Last weekend my family went out-of-town,
leaving me to fend for myself. I recently got a new SBIG ST7e camera and
Friday night I couldn't resist hauling everything outside alone - the only
really tough part was the OTA which, at an awkward 70 lbs., really is a
bitch
to manhandle onto the superwedge.  I thought I managed OK though.

When my family got back to town, my wife's first question was "What did you
do
to your eye?"  Though I hadn't noticed before, the white part of the outside
half of my left eye was bright red!

I soon figured out what had happened (in real life I'm an M.D.) - by
straining
to position the scope on the wedge a few days earlier I must have broken a
small blood vessel just below the sclera (the white part), causing a
subconjunctival hemorrhage.  This can sometimes happen with a direct blow to
the eye (which I did not have); I've also seen some dramatic ones in women
as
a result of labor.  Mine is the first astronomy related case I have ever
seen.

My eye is fine.  Subconjunctival bleeds don't cause any symptoms and resolve
spontaneously.  They look worse than they are.  I've attached a photo
(warning: it's a little gross).  Note that as the blood is absorbing it is
broken down into green and yellow pigments, much like in a bruise.

Looks like I need an observatory!

-Dave Dembinski

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David:  You're not the only one to get hurt lifting a 12" LX200.  Johnny
Allen has strained his muscles a few times with his scope.

Some scopes are just a bit beyond the average human being and are best in an
observatory.  When is yours going up?

Tom

Dave,    Yep, gross! But what more convincing evidence that a 12" LX200 absolutely needs an
observatory, heh-heh!  Take care of that thing, and try not to frighten your patients! Dave

David dembinski wrote:

> I've found a really bizarre way to hurt myself thru astronomy...
>
> I have a 12" LX200 which is NOT pier mounted.  I usually enlist the help of my
> son or wife to carry it outside.  Last weekend my family went out-of-town,
> leaving me to fend for myself. I recently got a new SBIG ST7e camera and
> Friday night I couldn't resist hauling everything outside alone - the only
> really tough part was the OTA which, at an awkward 70 lbs., really is a bitch
> to manhandle onto the superwedge.  I thought I managed OK though.
>
> When my family got back to town, my wife's first question was "What did you do
> to your eye?"  Though I hadn't noticed before, the white part of the outside
> half of my left eye was bright red!
>
> I soon figured out what had happened (in real life I'm an M.D.) - by straining
> to position the scope on the wedge a few days earlier I must have broken a
> small blood vessel just below the sclera (the white part), causing a
> subconjunctival hemorrhage.  This can sometimes happen with a direct blow to
> the eye (which I did not have); I've also seen some dramatic ones in women as
> a result of labor.  Mine is the first astronomy related case I have ever
> seen.
>
> My eye is fine.  Subconjunctival bleeds don't cause any symptoms and resolve
> spontaneously.  They look worse than they are.  I've attached a photo
> (warning: it's a little gross).  Note that as the blood is absorbing it is
> broken down into green and yellow pigments, much like in a bruise.
>
> Looks like I need an observatory!
>
> -Dave Dembinski
>
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Nice "nebula" superimposed on your eye!!! Must be a guy thing to try to do that by yourself. I've been guilty of similar masculine adventures myself. As I grow older I find things that "break" stay broken, so I've tempered my manly enthusiasm the past several years. I found that asking for help isn't so hard, and people take pity on short old fat guys. By the way, how WAS the new camera? Get any good pics of REAL nebulae?

Keep looking up,

Jim
    -----Original Message-----
    From: David dembinski <ddembinski@netscape.net>
    To: ASKC@egroups.com <ASKC@egroups.com>
    Date: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 9:29 PM
    Subject: [ASKC] telescope related eye injury
    
    
    I've found a really bizarre way to hurt myself thru astronomy...
    
    I have a 12" LX200 which is NOT pier mounted.  I usually enlist the help of my
    son or wife to carry it outside.  Last weekend my family went out-of-town,
    leaving me to fend for myself. I recently got a new SBIG ST7e camera and
    Friday night I couldn't resist hauling everything outside alone - the only
    really tough part was the OTA which, at an awkward 70 lbs., really is a bitch
    to manhandle onto the superwedge.  I thought I managed OK though.
    
    When my family got back to town, my wife's first question was "What did you do
    to your eye?"  Though I hadn't noticed before, the white part of the outside
    half of my left eye was bright red!
    
    I soon figured out what had happened (in real life I'm an M.D.) - by straining
    to position the scope on the wedge a few days earlier I must have broken a
    small blood vessel just below the sclera (the white part), causing a
    subconjunctival hemorrhage.  This can sometimes happen with a direct blow to
    the eye (which I did not have); I've also seen some dramatic ones in women as
    a result of labor.  Mine is the first astronomy related case I have ever
    seen.
    
    My eye is fine.  Subconjunctival bleeds don't cause any symptoms and resolve
    spontaneously.  They look worse than they are.  I've attached a photo
    (warning: it's a little gross).  Note that as the blood is absorbing it is
    broken down into green and yellow pigments, much like in a bruise.
    
    Looks like I need an observatory!
    
    -Dave Dembinski   
    
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We need to save this picture just to prove to the non-believers just how 
important astronomy is and the things we are willing to do in its pursuit!!!

Dave needs an observatory and I think we need to start a fund.  I will put 
in the first $10.

I think his insurance company should pickup the majority of the expenses, 
as this is an obvious case where preventive measures will immediately 
prevent injuries and subsequent long-term complications.  I'm sure with the 
right kind of presentation, they will understand that paying for Dave's 
observatory will save them a great deal of money in the long run. All we 
have to do is make up for the deductible.  So dig deep!  You could be next!

Seriously Dave,  I hope your eye heals quickly and it doesn't happen 
again.  I beast one of these things myself all the time and I'm surprised I 
haven't done the same thing.  Jeeze.....I have to go move a C-14 in the 
other room.  Should I go ahead and call the ambulance now.

GIVE GENEROUSLY TO THE DEMBINSKI OBSERVATORY FUND

Later,

Bob


At 19:35 8/9/00 -0700, you wrote:
>I've found a really bizarre way to hurt myself thru astronomy...
>
>
>Looks like I need an observatory!
>
>-Dave Dembinski

My electricity was out for a few hours Monday, but then the phone was out from
that time until this afternoon (Thursday).  I'm having internet withdrawal
symptoms.

Carroll Iorg

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>Subject: RE: Hello...anybody out there, heh-heh?
>
>Is that what it takes to keep you quiet? <G>
>
>Seriously, how long have you been powerless? E-mail has been strangely
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>
>Gary
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>  To: ASKC@egroups.com
>  Subject: Re: [ASKC] Hello...anybody out there, heh-heh?
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>
>Been busy too. We are moving the equipment yard to the Argintene district. Only another couple of hundred thousand pounds of pipe, pumps, trailers and miscellaneous steel to go! It's been some nasty sweaty work to mix in with the usual well drilling fun, tree limb removal, reading by candle light, etc.
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Bob, I really think that maybe the damage you have received for all that
hard work is just not visible to the naked eye. I really think laparoscopy
would be the only way to really assess the damage to the frontal lobe. And
the special cameras and eyepieces that would be needed would be very costly.
Some may not have even been invented yet! But we can see the affects of it
in your every day actions and I think your insurance company should cough up
more funds to study the long term effects of this matter. Any one of us
could be next! :) Shelley

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Haler [mailto:rhaler@...]
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 10:32 AM
To: ASKC@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] telescope related eye injury


We need to save this picture just to prove to the non-believers just how
important astronomy is and the things we are willing to do in its pursuit!!!

Dave needs an observatory and I think we need to start a fund.  I will put
in the first $10.

I think his insurance company should pickup the majority of the expenses,
as this is an obvious case where preventive measures will immediately
prevent injuries and subsequent long-term complications.  I'm sure with the
right kind of presentation, they will understand that paying for Dave's
observatory will save them a great deal of money in the long run. All we
have to do is make up for the deductible.  So dig deep!  You could be next!

Seriously Dave,  I hope your eye heals quickly and it doesn't happen
again.  I beast one of these things myself all the time and I'm surprised I
haven't done the same thing.  Jeeze.....I have to go move a C-14 in the
other room.  Should I go ahead and call the ambulance now.

GIVE GENEROUSLY TO THE DEMBINSKI OBSERVATORY FUND

Later,

Bob


At 19:35 8/9/00 -0700, you wrote:
>I've found a really bizarre way to hurt myself thru astronomy...
>
>
>Looks like I need an observatory!
>
>-Dave Dembinski




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Are you insinuating that I have dain bramage?  Me insulted by that 
I.  Frontal lobe left function fire neuron hamster asphalt expecting bumper 
lifting doorstop.

And I mean it!

boB
(oops - spelled it backards)

Bob

At 08:06 8/11/00 -0500, you wrote:
>Bob, I really think that maybe the damage you have received for all that
>hard work is just not visible to the naked eye. I really think laparoscopy
>would be the only way to really assess the damage to the frontal lobe. And
>the special cameras and eyepieces that would be needed would be very costly.
>Some may not have even been invented yet! But we can see the affects of it
>in your every day actions and I think your insurance company should cough up
>more funds to study the long term effects of this matter. Any one of us
>could be next! :) Shelley

Last I heard, a laparoscopy was an exploratory surgery of the lower
intestinal area through the naval?


ICSTARS Astronomy
http://www.icstars.com
http://www.astronomicaltours.net
"May starlight always fall on your path."

>>I really think laparoscopy
>>would be the only way to really assess the damage to the frontal lobe.

laparoscopy = Greek {lapara (flank, loins) + skopeo (to view)}; I guess the
correct proceedure would be "cranioscopy".  The only problem is that the brain
NORMALLY completely fills the skull, so there would be no room to insert the
scope (though in selected individuals I suppose it MIGHT be possible!)

-Dave

"Vic & jen Winter, ICSTARS Webmaster" <webmaster@...> wrote:

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Last I heard, a laparoscopy was an exploratory surgery of the lower
intestinal area through the naval?


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>>I really think laparoscopy
>>would be the only way to really assess the damage to the frontal lobe.



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Bob -  awesome idea!!! I ran it by my partner, who is my PCP and would be the
one to write the letter on my behalf to the insurance company.  Unfortunately,
he thinks puttering around in the middle of the night with a red flashlight
hung around the neck is a little nutty...he did offer to refer me to a good
psychiatrist however.

Robert Haler <rhaler@...> wrote:

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We need to save this picture just to prove to the non-believers just how 
important astronomy is and the things we are willing to do in its pursuit!!!

Dave needs an observatory and I think we need to start a fund.  I will put 
in the first $10.

I think his insurance company should pickup the majority of the expenses, 
as this is an obvious case where preventive measures will immediately 
prevent injuries and subsequent long-term complications.  I'm sure with the 
right kind of presentation, they will understand that paying for Dave's 
observatory will save them a great deal of money in the long run. All we 
have to do is make up for the deductible.  So dig deep!  You could be next!

Seriously Dave,  I hope your eye heals quickly and it doesn't happen 
again.  I beast one of these things myself all the time and I'm surprised I 
haven't done the same thing.  Jeeze.....I have to go move a C-14 in the 
other room.  Should I go ahead and call the ambulance now.

GIVE GENEROUSLY TO THE DEMBINSKI OBSERVATORY FUND

Later,

Bob


At 19:35 8/9/00 -0700, you wrote:
>I've found a really bizarre way to hurt myself thru astronomy...
>
>
>Looks like I need an observatory!
>
>-Dave Dembinski



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  My electricity was out for a few hours Monday, but then the phone was out from
  that time until this afternoon (Thursday).  I'm having internet withdrawal
  symptoms.


  After being without power for two days I logged on and retrieved messages. I managed to get one answered before dropping carrier. Immediatly after answering a note from Gary, the highly skilled light company employees cut a 100 pair underground phone cable while installing a new pole. That was Tuesday evening. The phones came back on a little after midnight last night. 
  Fortunately I had forwarded calls for my voice line to my cell phone a few minutes before since I was planning to go out for a while. I've been getting the ASKC calls, my business calls and my personal calls on the cell. I think I've put a couple of years of wear on the thing in the past few days!

Who is going to go to the Battle of Lexington star party?

Who is planning on doing the slide presentation they are expecting? 

I have an indication that David and Debbie may be going but I don't know of anyone else. I have inherited the scheduling book but no names are listed. This is a party we have done for several years now and we should make an effort.

Please respond by e-mail or voice if you plan to be there.

Yes, Darren and Debbie will be there. Send me instructions on how to get to
where I'm supposed be.

Darren J Kindberg
Secretary & Co-Webmaster
Heartland Humanists
http://heartland.humanists.net
  -----Original Message-----
  From: David Young [mailto:dyoung@...]
  Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 3:31 PM
  To: ASKC@egroups.com
  Subject: [ASKC] Re: Battle of Lexington


  Who is going to go to the Battle of Lexington star party?

  Who is planning on doing the slide presentation they are expecting?

  I have an indication that David and Debbie may be going but I don't know
of anyone else. I have inherited the scheduling book but no names are
listed. This is a party we have done for several years now and we should
make an effort.

  Please respond by e-mail or voice if you plan to be there.

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  Yes, Darren and Debbie will be there. Send me instructions on how to get to where I'm supposed be.


  Hmm. It's one of those places I can drive right to but I'll have to think about how to tell someone else.  It's on the north edge of town and we start out in the main building. Telescopes are set up in a field north of the museum. Perhaps you could convoy with someone else if we find out who is going.

Hello all,

I just received a message from Barbara Twarog who was the main speaker at
our July general meeting. She mentioned how much she appreciated receiving
the flowers from ASKC. I wanted to pass this along to all of you and
especially to David Hudgins whose idea it was to send the flowers in the
first place.

You may be receiving a message from her David.

Regards,

Gary Pittman
gary_rp@...

We were without power from Tuesday night around 8:00 until Wednesday 
evening around 6:00. 80mph winds, took out a tree of the neighbor's 
which ripped the power lines, mast head, and meter off the house. We 
were fortunate enough, NOT to be the couple 2 blocks over who had a 
large tree that came down and literally sliced their house in two.
This was the second time in two weeks. First time, the main power 
lines set the adjacent trees on fire when they were ripped from the 
pole by yet another tree....Maybe if enough trees come down, I will 
finally have some more sky viewing acreage available!

--- In ASKC@egroups.com, "Gary R. Pittman" <gary_rp@s...> wrote:
> Is that what it takes to keep you quiet? <G>
> 
> Seriously, how long have you been powerless? E-mail has been 
strangely
> silent for several days. I'm wondering if everyone has been without 
power.
> 
> Gary

I guess I have been extremely lucky considering the horror stories I've read
here. Kansas City Power and Light said in a K.C. Star article that there
have only been four storms in the last ten years that left this many of
their customers without power and two of those four storms happened in the
last two weeks.

Lucky us, our lights only flickered a couple of times.

Regards,

Gary Pittman
gary_rp@...

Vic and I have stopped home for a day to re-pack for another trip.  When we
pulled into our driveway, we noticed that our truck had been moved about 10
feet and the 70 foot Oak tree in the Douglas' front yard was gone!  The
storm split it in two, leaving about 40,000 lbs of oak hanging in each
direction over Jackie's front door and another house.   A guy from the tree
service climbed it during the storm to stabilize it until they could cut it
down the next day.  She was luckier than the guy around the corner.   We saw
a similarly sized oak resting crosswise across a FLATTENED F-150.  It
crushed it diagonally front to back down to the bottom of the drivers's side
door at the frame.  It was parked, so nobody was injured.  - Thank goodness!

I agree with Walt!  We just keep getting wider and wider patches of clear
sky thanks to this!
We'll have an extra 2 hours for solar now!

ICSTARS Astronomy
http://www.icstars.com
http://www.astronomicaltours.net
"May starlight always fall on your path."
-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Robinson <webmaster@...>
To: ASKC@egroups.com <ASKC@egroups.com>
Date: Friday, August 11, 2000 5:58 PM
Subject: [ASKC] Re: Hello...anybody out there, heh-heh?


>We were without power from Tuesday night around 8:00 until Wednesday
>evening around 6:00. 80mph winds, took out a tree of the neighbor's
>which ripped the power lines, mast head, and meter off the house. We
>were fortunate enough, NOT to be the couple 2 blocks over who had a
>large tree that came down and literally sliced their house in two.
>This was the second time in two weeks. First time, the main power
>lines set the adjacent trees on fire when they were ripped from the
>pole by yet another tree....Maybe if enough trees come down, I will
>finally have some more sky viewing acreage available!
>
>--- In ASKC@egroups.com, "Gary R. Pittman" <gary_rp@s...> wrote:
>> Is that what it takes to keep you quiet? <G>
>>
>> Seriously, how long have you been powerless? E-mail has been
>strangely
>> silent for several days. I'm wondering if everyone has been without
>power.
>>
>> Gary
>
>
>
>
>
>To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>ASKC-unsubscribe@egroups.com
>
>

So you guys have been on the move lately, huh?

That was one hell of a storm.  Luckily it didn't get anywhere near
Cleveland.

By the way, how is Jackie doing?

Tom

P.S., congratulations on your appointment as the new "The Reflector"
newsletter editors.

Tom

I am interested in keeping the asteroid program going. I also think we
should also have the AIC available for anyone who wants to use it for
general astronomy observation, i.e., not just asteroids and comets. What
do you think about this idea? That way we could get more people to use the
AIC.

By the way, I'm having a blast here at Mount Wilson. I have learned how to
operate the Snow solar telescope, and we've had classes on spectroscopy,
photometry, and telescope configurations. Go to the web site
curea1.mtwilson.edu to see what we have been doing. Today we took a
walking tour of the mountain. Bob
Ecklund, public relations director for the Mount Wilson Observatory
Association (MWOA), told us the history of the mountain and we saw the 100
inch Hooker telescope. We also have eight hours of observing time on the
24 inch Telescopes in Education (TIE) telescope, and eight hours of
observing time on the 60 inch telescope.

I'll write more later as the program progresses.

Melissa Kirk

Rob Robinson wrote:
> 
> We were without power from Tuesday night around 8:00 until Wednesday
> evening around 6:00. 80mph winds, took out a tree of the neighbor's
> which ripped the power lines, mast head, and meter off the house. We
> were fortunate enough, NOT to be the couple 2 blocks over who had a
> large tree that came down and literally sliced their house in two.
> This was the second time in two weeks. First time, the main power
> lines set the adjacent trees on fire when they were ripped from the
> pole by yet another tree....Maybe if enough trees come down, I will
> finally have some more sky viewing acreage available!
> 
> --- In ASKC@egroups.com, "Gary R. Pittman" <gary_rp@s...> wrote:
> > Is that what it takes to keep you quiet? <G>
> >
> > Seriously, how long have you been powerless? E-mail has been
> strangely
> > silent for several days. I'm wondering if everyone has been without
> power.
> >
> > Gary
> 
> 
Hi folks,

I was without power for twenty days!!!  That also includes phone and
everything else.  Well, okay, so what if Rita and I were camping in the
woods at Boy Scout Camp or in Canada.  We are finally back for canoing
into the Quetico Park in Ontario Canada and summer camp near Osceola,
MO.  We canoed 65 miles and spent 10 nights on the water.  It was really
woderful to be 20' from a mature Bald Eagle!! We also saw a Black bear,
Moose, wolves and many beaver dams.  It's quite a chore to carry a
80-150 lb back pack or food pack or a 16' 80 lb canoe along rough
portage trails at time knee deep in mud or in a swamp.  As for
astronomy, forget it!!  At 2100 the state bird comes out. The misquito. 
So many they sound like boat motors buzzing up the lake and it is still
light enough outside to read.  

As for the storms.  This past tuesday morning we were hit with a storm
while at Bartle Scout Camp.  Lightning hit a tree about a 100 yrds from
Lario's and my tent.  It blew the bark off the tree from top to bottom
along one side of the tree.  We were awake when this happened and knew
it was close.  I had been awake in my bunk watching the approaching
storm from the north (0330hrs)

See ya at the Aug meeting

JOe

I do believe certain individuals do require this type of treatment having
had the skull misplaced for very extended periods. I think I may have had
this procedure once or twice but they never found any abnormalities. :)
Shelley

-----Original Message-----
From: David dembinski [mailto:ddembinski@...]
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 1:03 PM
To: ASKC@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [Re: [ASKC] telescope related eye injury]


laparoscopy = Greek {lapara (flank, loins) + skopeo (to view)}; I guess the
correct proceedure would be "cranioscopy".  The only problem is that the
brain
NORMALLY completely fills the skull, so there would be no room to insert the
scope (though in selected individuals I suppose it MIGHT be possible!)

-Dave

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>>I really think laparoscopy
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It was my understanding that this was already the case.  What has changed?

At 22:19 8/11/00 -0500, you wrote:

>I am interested in keeping the asteroid program going. I also think we
>should also have the AIC available for anyone who wants to use it for
>general astronomy observation, i.e., not just asteroids and comets. What
>do you think about this idea? That way we could get more people to use the
>AIC.

Sounds like you are having a great time Melissa. Are you taking plenty of
photographs?

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: Melissa Kirk [mailto:mkirk@...]
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 10:19 PM
To: ASKC@egroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Hello from Mount Wilson



I am interested in keeping the asteroid program going. I also think we
should also have the AIC available for anyone who wants to use it for
general astronomy observation, i.e., not just asteroids and comets. What
do you think about this idea? That way we could get more people to use the
AIC.

By the way, I'm having a blast here at Mount Wilson. I have learned how to
operate the Snow solar telescope, and we've had classes on spectroscopy,
photometry, and telescope configurations. Go to the web site
curea1.mtwilson.edu to see what we have been doing. Today we took a
walking tour of the mountain. Bob
Ecklund, public relations director for the Mount Wilson Observatory
Association (MWOA), told us the history of the mountain and we saw the 100
inch Hooker telescope. We also have eight hours of observing time on the
24 inch Telescopes in Education (TIE) telescope, and eight hours of
observing time on the 60 inch telescope.

I'll write more later as the program progresses.

Melissa Kirk




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----- Original Message -----
From: "Melissa Kirk" <mkirk@...>
>
> I am interested in keeping the asteroid program going. I also think we
> should also have the AIC available for anyone who wants to use it for
> general astronomy observation, i.e., not just asteroids and comets. What
> do you think about this idea? That way we could get more people to use the
> AIC.
Isn't this how it already is?

Uhhhhh.... Errrrr.... I saw one Perseid last night.

rett

  Uhhhhh.... Errrrr.... I saw one Perseid last night.


  I saw one sporadic from the roof of Royall Hall last night. No Perseids. Maybe a stray from Lexington tonight. I hope I'm not lonely out there tonight!

Nothing has changed as far as the asteroid program goes. Gina, in the
ASKCasteroid email list, suggested some realignment of groups and wanted to
know who was still interested. It was also suggested that the groups formed
would help do star parties.

Melissa, I hope you're having a great time.

Darren J Kindberg
Secretary & Co-Webmaster
Heartland Humanists
http://heartland.humanists.net


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Jones [mailto:mejones@...]
> Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 12:23 PM
> To: ASKC@egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [ASKC] Hello from Mount Wilson
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Melissa Kirk" <mkirk@...>
> >
> > I am interested in keeping the asteroid program going. I also think we
> > should also have the AIC available for anyone who wants to use it for
> > general astronomy observation, i.e., not just asteroids and comets. What
> > do you think about this idea? That way we could get more people
> to use the
> > AIC.
> Isn't this how it already is?
>
>
> 
>
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Melissa,

Wow, sounds like great fun out there! What a neat thing to do!

In  regard to Melissa's suggestion about using the AIC for general astronomy,
I think the truth is that it has not been clearly advertised as available for
general imaging. Maybe we could organized some evenings for members to come
down and be helped using the system for imaging their favorite galaxies and
nebulae? We could have "Deep Sky Imaging Night" or even "Galaxy Quest Night"
open to members. Just need to advertise it ... and maybe "they will come!"
Worth a try maybe?

Dave


Melissa Kirk wrote:

> I am interested in keeping the asteroid program going. I also think we
> should also have the AIC available for anyone who wants to use it for
> general astronomy observation, i.e., not just asteroids and comets. What
> do you think about this idea? That way we could get more people to use the
> AIC.
>
> By the way, I'm having a blast here at Mount Wilson. I have learned how to
> operate the Snow solar telescope, and we've had classes on spectroscopy,
> photometry, and telescope configurations. Go to the web site
> curea1.mtwilson.edu to see what we have been doing. Today we took a
> walking tour of the mountain. Bob
> Ecklund, public relations director for the Mount Wilson Observatory
> Association (MWOA), told us the history of the mountain and we saw the 100
> inch Hooker telescope. We also have eight hours of observing time on the
> 24 inch Telescopes in Education (TIE) telescope, and eight hours of
> observing time on the 60 inch telescope.
>
> I'll write more later as the program progresses.
>
> Melissa Kirk
>
> 
>
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David,

Great idea!  I'm all for it.  In fact, I think we might even dedicate to it one weekend a month (not a new moon night, though, nor a full moon...  One in between).  We could advertise it in the newsletter, on the web site and the general meeting.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: David Hudgins 
  To: ASKC@egroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 4:24 PM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] Hello from Mount Wilson


  In  regard to Melissa's suggestion about using the AIC for general astronomy,
  I think the truth is that it has not been clearly advertised as available for
  general imaging. Maybe we could organized some evenings for members to come
  down and be helped using the system for imaging their favorite galaxies and
  nebulae? We could have "Deep Sky Imaging Night" or even "Galaxy Quest Night"
  open to members. Just need to advertise it ... and maybe "they will come!"
  Worth a try maybe?

Bob,

It was already the case in theory, but not really in practice.  The AIC has not been used that much for general use, although certainly not because of asteroid hunters preventing it.  Perhaps it hasn't been advertised properly.  Also, if people don't know how to use the equipment, they can't go on their own.  That's why I think David Hudgins suggestion of Galaxy Night or something like that could attract members that do not know how to use the equipment on their own.

Gina :-)

----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Robert Haler 
  To: ASKC@egroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 10:57 AM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] Hello from Mount Wilson


  It was my understanding that this was already the case.  What has changed?

I saw 3 the other nite and they were really big!!! Im hoping to see more
tonight.
Shelley

-----Original Message-----
From: Rett Alonzi [mailto:ralonzi@...]
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 1:27 PM
To: ASKC@egroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Perseids


Uhhhhh.... Errrrr.... I saw one Perseid last night.

rett




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I think Scott was working on his Arp galaxy award and he had some very nice
images for it ..maybe he could show them at a meeting.
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Gina Fedon [mailto:antares@...]
  Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 5:52 PM
  To: ASKC@egroups.com
  Subject: [ASKC] Galaxy Quest Night


  David,

  Great idea!  I'm all for it.  In fact, I think we might even dedicate to
it one weekend a month (not a new moon night, though, nor a full moon...
One in between).  We could advertise it in the newsletter, on the web site
and the general meeting.
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: David Hudgins
    To: ASKC@egroups.com
    Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 4:24 PM
    Subject: Re: [ASKC] Hello from Mount Wilson


    In  regard to Melissa's suggestion about using the AIC for general
astronomy,
    I think the truth is that it has not been clearly advertised as
available for
    general imaging. Maybe we could organized some evenings for members to
come
    down and be helped using the system for imaging their favorite galaxies
and
    nebulae? We could have "Deep Sky Imaging Night" or even "Galaxy Quest
Night"
    open to members. Just need to advertise it ... and maybe "they will
come!"
    Worth a try maybe?



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To all,

Just to let you know---    Although it is not properly mentioned, the AIC and
CCD cameras can be used by any club member for any purpose.  When the camera
was purchased it was specifically stated that it was not for asteroids alone.

Go out and take pretty pictures; do supernova hunts; image asteroids;
......just use it!

-Scott

Melissa Kirk wrote:

> I am interested in keeping the asteroid program going. I also think we
> should also have the AIC available for anyone who wants to use it for
> general astronomy observation, i.e., not just asteroids and comets. What
> do you think about this idea? That way we could get more people to use the
> AIC.
>
> By the way, I'm having a blast here at Mount Wilson. I have learned how to
> operate the Snow solar telescope, and we've had classes on spectroscopy,
> photometry, and telescope configurations. Go to the web site
> curea1.mtwilson.edu to see what we have been doing. Today we took a
> walking tour of the mountain. Bob
> Ecklund, public relations director for the Mount Wilson Observatory
> Association (MWOA), told us the history of the mountain and we saw the 100
> inch Hooker telescope. We also have eight hours of observing time on the
> 24 inch Telescopes in Education (TIE) telescope, and eight hours of
> observing time on the 60 inch telescope.
>
> I'll write more later as the program progresses.
>
> Melissa Kirk
>
> 
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> ASKC-unsubscribe@egroups.com

Our phone is acting up, a lot of noise on the line and we can't talk to
people calling in. Except sometimes it works briefly. If you need to reach
us, leave a message on the answering machine if you can get in, or send an
e-mail.
This seems to be the phone company's problem, and it may take a day or five
to get fixed.
Thanks,
Kathy

I will be in Pittsburg Kansas most of Saturday (9/19), getting my son 
moved to PSU, and may not make it back in time for my public duty 
night at Powell.
Is there anyone who wants to switch public nights with me, so that if 
I don't get back to town in time, I am covered?.
Mike Larkin is team leader, and Lario is giving the talk.

At 04:32 00/08/16 -0000, you wrote:
>I will be in Pittsburg Kansas most of Saturday (9/19), getting my son 
>moved to PSU, and may not make it back in time for my public duty 
>night at Powell.
>Is there anyone who wants to switch public nights with me, so that if 
>I don't get back to town in time, I am covered?.
>Mike Larkin is team leader, and Lario is giving the talk.
>
>
>
>
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Hi Rob,

I can do it on Saturday.  I'm on team 2, but don't know when 
my next scheduled nite is.  If it doesn't work out for then, 
we can trade for another time.

Take your time in Pittsburg.

Roger

In my previous post I said the date was 9/19...
It should have read 8/19.....this Saturday, is when I need to trade 
with someone......

Team #2 has it's third and last duty night on September 16 (The Evening Star) if Roger wants to trade nights.

Hi Folks,

For anyone considering buying an SBIG camera, I won a 10% discount
coupon from SBIG at the AL Mid-States conference. I will gladly give it
to anyone who can use it before it expires Sept 9.

Dave

  I think I can speak for David Brackey, Tim Landreth, and David Probert when I say that it is easy to fall into the trap of doing programs yourself when people don't volunteer. I did that very thing for years when I was observatory director back in the dark ages when the director also did the scheduling and again when I took over the scheduling job from David Brackey. While I enjoy doing an occasional program, now I will cancel most programs before I will do very many by myself. I have requests for a couple of off site star parties. Judging by the pathetic showing at Lexington last week there is very little support for off site programs. I will confirm the dates with these groups only if I get 5 people with telescopes committed to attend and someone committed to give a slide show. I will continue to do the scheduling until some other enthusiastic member wants the job but I will NOT do all the programs at the last minute when no one else volunteers. 

  These groups have made requests
  September 22    150 people at Lake Jacomo                                 $300 anticipated
  October 27        50 + people at Confederate Memorial  Higginsville, MO     $300 offered

  I told these people I would confirm or cancel after our August general meeting.

  There are also a number of nights reserved at Powell. A list of keyholder duty nights was published early this year. Keyholders have assigned duty weeks in addition to their public program nights. Check your schedule and be sure you are available for your duty week or get someone to fill in for you! If you are unable or unwilling to do your assigned nights let me know and I will make a brief effort to get someone else or cancel the reservation. 

Hi Rob,

At 04:15 00/08/17 -0000, you wrote:
>In my previous post I said the date was 9/19...
>It should have read 8/19.....this Saturday, is when I need to trade 
>with someone......

I also misread the date -- I assumed it was this Saturday, so
I'm still planning to be at Powell Observatory for you.

Roger

Hi David,  well nobody in their right mind expects you to be covering
for star parties where we do not have volunteers. No way!

I was out at Powell Obs last Saturday nite (and many before), and we
seem to be getting good member coverage for our weekly openings there.
Frankly I think having the observatory open every Saturday nite is more
important than trying to support these off-site star parties. But we
need to be collecting money out there. The exception would be when such
an off-site party is VERY beneficial in terms of money. Because our
resources are limited, if we can't get (say) $200+ maybe we should be
focusing on getting money-generating star parties out to Powell?

BTW, David - I would be able to bring a telescope out to Lake Jacomo on
Sept 22 *if* we can indeed raise $300.   Dave



David Young wrote:

>      I think I can speak for David Brackey, Tim Landreth, and
>      David Probert when I say that it is easy to fall into the
>      trap of doing programs yourself when people don't volunteer.
>      I did that very thing for years when I was observatory
>      director back in the dark ages when the director also did
>      the scheduling and again when I took over the scheduling job
>      from David Brackey. While I enjoy doing an occasional
>      program, now I will cancel most programs before I will do
>      very many by myself. I have requests for a couple of off
>      site star parties. Judging by the pathetic showing at
>      Lexington last week there is very little support for off
>      site programs. I will confirm the dates with these groups
>      only if I get 5 people with telescopes committed to attend
>      and someone committed to give a slide show. I will continue
>      to do the scheduling until some other enthusiastic member
>      wants the job but I will NOT do all the programs at the last
>      minute when no one else volunteers. These groups have made
>      requestsSeptember 22    150 people at Lake
>      Jacomo                                 $300
>      anticipatedOctober 27        50 + people at Confederate
>      Memorial  Higginsville, MO     $300 offered I told these
>      people I would confirm or cancel after our August general
>      meeting. There are also a number of nights reserved at
>      Powell. A list of keyholder duty nights was published early
>      this year. Keyholders have assigned duty weeks in addition
>      to their public program nights. Check your schedule and be
>      sure you are available for your duty week or get someone to
>      fill in for you! If you are unable or unwilling to do your
>      assigned nights let me know and I will make a brief effort
>      to get someone else or cancel the reservation.
>
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Dave -

Can it be used for the color filter wheel?  If so I am interested.

Dave 



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coupon from SBIG at the AL Mid-States conference. I will gladly give it
to anyone who can use it before it expires Sept 9.

Dave



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Dave, well, the certificate reads "A 10% discount on the purchase of any CCD camera from
SBIG". But I will send them an e-mail and ask, OK?
Dave

David dembinski wrote:

> Dave -
>
> Can it be used for the color filter wheel?  If so I am interested.
>
> Dave
>
> David Hudgins <dhudgins@...> wrote:
>
> > ---------------------------------------------
> >       Attachment:
> >       MIME Type: multipart/alternative
> > ---------------------------------------------
> Hi Folks,
>
> For anyone considering buying an SBIG camera, I won a 10% discount
> coupon from SBIG at the AL Mid-States conference. I will gladly give it
> to anyone who can use it before it expires Sept 9.
>
> Dave
>
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David, I have looked on the calander and I have only seen 2 private parties
listed. Is there somewhere else they are listed? I really am tied up this
month moving and I feel bad about not being able to help out. Things should
get better for me by the end of the month. But if you really get into a jam
feel free to call me and maybe I can get away. Shelley
  -----Original Message-----
  From: David Young [mailto:dyoung@...]
  Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 11:23 AM
  To: ASKC@egroups.com
  Subject: [ASKC] Re: Star Parties


    I think I can speak for David Brackey, Tim Landreth, and David Probert
when I say that it is easy to fall into the trap of doing programs yourself
when people don't volunteer. I did that very thing for years when I was
observatory director back in the dark ages when the director also did the
scheduling and again when I took over the scheduling job from David Brackey.
While I enjoy doing an occasional program, now I will cancel most programs
before I will do very many by myself. I have requests for a couple of off
site star parties. Judging by the pathetic showing at Lexington last week
there is very little support for off site programs. I will confirm the dates
with these groups only if I get 5 people with telescopes committed to attend
and someone committed to give a slide show. I will continue to do the
scheduling until some other enthusiastic member wants the job but I will NOT
do all the programs at the last minute when no one else volunteers.

    These groups have made requests
    September 22    150 people at Lake Jacomo
$300 anticipated
    October 27        50 + people at Confederate Memorial  Higginsville, MO
$300 offered

    I told these people I would confirm or cancel after our August general
meeting.

    There are also a number of nights reserved at Powell. A list of
keyholder duty nights was published early this year. Keyholders have
assigned duty weeks in addition to their public program nights. Check your
schedule and be sure you are available for your duty week or get someone to
fill in for you! If you are unable or unwilling to do your assigned nights
let me know and I will make a brief effort to get someone else or cancel the
reservation.

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Dave:

I know Rick Singmaster has a new one on order. If you get no takers, you might check with him.

Keep looking up,

Jim
    -----Original Message-----
    From: David Hudgins <dhudgins@...>
    To: ASKC@egroups.com <ASKC@egroups.com>
    Date: Thursday, August 17, 2000 2:29 PM
    Subject: Re: [[ASKC] Gift Certificate from SBIG available]
    
    
    Dave, well, the certificate reads "A 10% discount on the purchase of any CCD camera from
    SBIG". But I will send them an e-mail and ask, OK?
    Dave
    
    David dembinski wrote:
    
    > Dave -
    >
    > Can it be used for the color filter wheel?  If so I am interested.
    >
    > Dave
    >
    > David Hudgins <dhudgins@...> wrote:
    >
    > > ---------------------------------------------
    > >       Attachment:
    > >       MIME Type: multipart/alternative
    > > ---------------------------------------------
    > Hi Folks,
    >
    > For anyone considering buying an SBIG camera, I won a 10% discount
    > coupon from SBIG at the AL Mid-States conference. I will gladly give it
    > to anyone who can use it before it expires Sept 9.
    >
    > Dave
    >
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Dear ASKC friends:

Mike Myers has asked me to send the following note.  If you have already
recieved this notice, please excuse the duplication.

Tom Martinez
**********************
It was noticed that the host group of the Great Plains Star Party forgot to
 make an early announcement to the Astronomical Society of Kansas City about
 the Great Plains Star Party. In the past we have advertised in the
Cosmic Messenger Newsletter as well as made announcements at the monthly
meetings.
 This was an error on our part but we would like to use the time before the
 star party to inform everyone in the ASKC about the GPSP.

 Once again the Kansas Astrophotographers and Observers Society will host
 the 10th annual Great Plains Star Party. The star party will be held at
 "Scopeville" Kansas, this is located about 75 miles south of Kansas City.
 The Great Plains Star Party will run from the 25th of September though the
 1st of October. Our star party is known for its dark skies and it has
 quickly become a "gem" of the Mid-States star parties.

 We will have many guest speakers, door prizes, an Astro Trivia contest,
 solar observing, a CCD Field Workshop, a beginners workshop, a swap meet,
 and much more. The Jayhawk Amateur Radio Society will also be there. We
 will also host a Starmaster Telescope "Reunion", we will have over 30
 Starmaster Telescopes on the field, ranging from a 24" with GOTO to the 7"
 Starmaster Oak Classic.

 For more information on the Great Plains Star Party please see our

 webpage at http://www.icstars.com/HTML/GreatPlains2000

 If you would like a flier please contact our Registrar, Larry Madison at
 clearskysalways@... or call at 816-229-2394  For more information
 you can also contact me.

 Mike Myer
 mdmyer@...
 316-473-3786

A couple of people have asked about their remaining duty nights for Powell this year. The following keyholder duty list is posted at http://www.everstar.com/askc/duty_week.htm

8/18 - 8/24 Larry Robinson, Steve Berg
8/25 - 8/31 Johnny Allen, Ron Turley
9/1 - 9/7 Carroll Iorg, Scott Kranz
9/8 - 9/14 David Young, David Probert
9/15 - 9/21 Jackie Beucher, Shelly Granger
9/22 - 9/28 Keith Green, Tim Landrith
9/29 - 10/5 David Hudgins, Bentley Ousley
10/6 - 10/12 Roger Gruenke, Richard Fredrick
10/13 - 10/19 Debbie Harrelson, David Preston
10/20 - 10/26 Vic Winter, Tom Boerner
10/27 - 11/2 Tom Martinez, Mellisa Kirk
11/3 - 11/9 Rett Alonzi, Bill Thomson
11/10 - 11/16 Gil Machin
11/17 - 11/23 David Brackey, Tony Kostusik

Some people have resigned as keyholders. Larry Robinson, Ron Turley and Tim Landreth were scratched off of the list when I got it. If anyone knows of other deletions, please drop me a line.
The following future star parties/private nights were listed in the book when I got it.

August 25        Barbara Penn    Johnny Allen is the duty keyholder
September 1    David Hudgins  Carroll Iorg and Scott Kranz are the duty keyholders
September 15  Becky Janzen   Jackie Beucher and Shelly Granger are the duty keyholders 
September 22  Buddy Curtes   Keith Green is the duty keyholder
September 22  Lake Jacomo off site request for 150 people
                        Need 5 people to volunteer before confirming
                        #1  Rett Alonzi
                        #2

October 27      Confederate Memorial in Higgensville
                        Need 5 people to volunteer before confirming
                        #1

David,

I should not be listed as a keyholder, either.

John

John Anderson
anderiii@...
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: David Young 
  To: ASKC@egroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 1:13 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] Star parties and private nights


  A couple of people have asked about their remaining duty nights for Powell this year. The following keyholder duty list is posted at http://www.everstar.com/askc/duty_week.htm
   
  8/18 - 8/24 Larry Robinson, Steve Berg
  8/25 - 8/31 Johnny Allen, Ron Turley
  9/1 - 9/7 Carroll Iorg, Scott Kranz
  9/8 - 9/14 David Young, David Probert
  9/15 - 9/21 Jackie Beucher, Shelly Granger
  9/22 - 9/28 Keith Green, Tim Landrith
  9/29 - 10/5 David Hudgins, Bentley Ousley
  10/6 - 10/12 Roger Gruenke, Richard Fredrick
  10/13 - 10/19 Debbie Harrelson, David Preston
  10/20 - 10/26 Vic Winter, Tom Boerner
  10/27 - 11/2 Tom Martinez, Mellisa Kirk
  11/3 - 11/9 Rett Alonzi, Bill Thomson
  11/10 - 11/16 Gil Machin
  11/17 - 11/23 David Brackey, Tony Kostusik

  Some people have resigned as keyholders. Larry Robinson, Ron Turley and Tim Landreth were scratched off of the list when I got it. If anyone knows of other deletions, please drop me a line.
  The following future star parties/private nights were listed in the book when I got it.

  August 25        Barbara Penn    Johnny Allen is the duty keyholder
  September 1    David Hudgins  Carroll Iorg and Scott Kranz are the duty keyholders
  September 15  Becky Janzen   Jackie Beucher and Shelly Granger are the duty keyholders 
  September 22  Buddy Curtes   Keith Green is the duty keyholder
  September 22  Lake Jacomo off site request for 150 people
                          Need 5 people to volunteer before confirming
                          #1  Rett Alonzi
                          #2

  October 27      Confederate Memorial in Higgensville
                          Need 5 people to volunteer before confirming
                          #1




   

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David,
I will bring a scope to the Sept 22 Lake Jacomo star party.
It has been a while since I helped out at an off site star party, but Lake Jacomo is easy to get to, and should be fun 
Kathy
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: David Young 
  To: ASKC@egroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 11:23 AM
  Subject: [ASKC] Re: Star Parties



    These groups have made requests
    September 22    150 people at Lake Jacomo       $300 anticipated

    I told these people I would confirm or cancel after our August general meeting.
     

Remember that we will be nominating and electing a person to be the Minor
Planet Patrol coordinator at the August general meeting.
If you wish to nominate anyone, please make certain the person will accept
before you nominate them.
I am aware of only one person who will be nominated, so far.
See you next Saturday night :-)

Kathy

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John Anderson 
  To: ASKC@egroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 3:21 PM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] Star parties and private nights


  David,

  I should not be listed as a keyholder, either.

  John

  I'll tell Nick to drop you from the updated list when he gets around to doing one. 

All is on track for the telescope building workshop's first session on September 3 at 12:00 Noon.

I have mirror sets and focusers on hand and Larry Welling is busy making the bases. If you have signed up to build a scope please bring a saw, a couple of screw drivers, small wrenches if you have them  and small pliers. I will have all of these and more but things will go faster if we have several sets.

David, You can put me down for the Oct. 27 off site party. Shelley
  -----Original Message-----
  From: David Young [mailto:dyoung@...]
  Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 1:13 PM
  To: ASKC@egroups.com
  Subject: [ASKC] Star parties and private nights


  A couple of people have asked about their remaining duty nights for Powell
this year. The following keyholder duty list is posted at
http://www.everstar.com/askc/duty_week.htm

  8/18 � 8/24 Larry Robinson, Steve Berg
  8/25 � 8/31 Johnny Allen, Ron Turley
  9/1 � 9/7 Carroll Iorg, Scott Kranz
  9/8 � 9/14 David Young, David Probert
  9/15 � 9/21 Jackie Beucher, Shelly Granger
  9/22 � 9/28 Keith Green, Tim Landrith
  9/29 � 10/5 David Hudgins, Bentley Ousley
  10/6 � 10/12 Roger Gruenke, Richard Fredrick
  10/13 � 10/19 Debbie Harrelson, David Preston
  10/20 � 10/26 Vic Winter, Tom Boerner
  10/27 � 11/2 Tom Martinez, Mellisa Kirk
  11/3 � 11/9 Rett Alonzi, Bill Thomson
  11/10 � 11/16 Gil Machin
  11/17 � 11/23 David Brackey, Tony Kostusik

  Some people have resigned as keyholders. Larry Robinson, Ron Turley and
Tim Landreth were scratched off of the list when I got it. If anyone knows
of other deletions, please drop me a line.
  The following future star parties/private nights were listed in the book
when I got it.

  August 25        Barbara Penn    Johnny Allen is the duty keyholder
  September 1    David Hudgins  Carroll Iorg and Scott Kranz are the duty
keyholders
  September 15  Becky Janzen   Jackie Beucher and Shelly Granger are the
duty keyholders
  September 22  Buddy Curtes   Keith Green is the duty keyholder
  September 22  Lake Jacomo off site request for 150 people
                          Need 5 people to volunteer before confirming
                          #1  Rett Alonzi
                          #2

  October 27      Confederate Memorial in Higgensville
                          Need 5 people to volunteer before confirming
                          #1






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Oh, oh
The Louisburg Labor Day parade is fast approaching.
The ASKC has been participating in the parade for at least four years and
this is not the time to stop. Those who've helped in past years have had a
great time.
We don't have much lead time on this, so, any easy to execute ideas and
volunteers to help are needed.
Let me know. We will try to get volunteers at the General meeting also.

Thanks,
Kathy

Hey everyone!

Just a quick note to let you know what happened at the August 14 very 
extended Park Board meeting.........

The first issue, and probably the most important to us, is that 
baseball field B might be getting more lighting.  There
are currently already lights on this field, but these new lights will 
get it up to regulation standards.  The lights are
already bought, but now the Park Board needs to acquire poles for 
placement.  They will need 6 or 7 sixty to seventy foot
poles for mounting the lights on.  They are going to contact KCP&L
for 
some pole donations.

The lighting of the fields policy with the observatory still applies, 
but now when the lights are on they may be a bit
brighter.  Our lease already states that we can do nothing about 
existing field lights, so don't even get all bothered.
All we can do is make sure they try to turn them off at a decent
time. 
 Also, it is not certain that these lights will
even be installed.  The cost of using these new lights is being
looked 
into, and if the cost is deemed too high, they may
be used to replace the existent lights at the baseball park along 
Metcalf, further to the north.

Some barriers are going to be installed between the road and the new 
concession stand to keep vehicles from parking right
in front of the stand.   Use caution when driving through there! 
They 
are going to put in a playground just to the west
of the concession stand across the road where that old house used to 
be.  (You did see that the house is no longer there,
right?)  They want to have a crosswalk there for kids to access the 
playground.

There has been money budgeted to pave Jingo road.  By the way it 
sounds, they may possibly pave it all the way to the
observatory.

Plans are under way to widen the curve at the Northeast corner of the 
park so it will not be a 90-degree turn.

Nick!  The silo may be staying right where it is!  Last month the
Park 
Board asked the City to remove the silo.  They are
now planning to rescind that proposal and keep it there.  Apparently 
people think it is some kind of landmark.   Steve
Towns is going out to weld bars across the tunnel ladder to keep kids 
out of there.

You've all seen the stumps just to the south of the silo?  They are 
planning to take them out and put in a little softball
field there (maybe t-ball field).  They are also going into the woods 
and taking out more trees to the south of that area.

The City Council is going to visit the Blue Springs BMX track either 
August 22 or 29.  Currently, the plans for the
Louisburg BMX track are on hold until the council had a chance to 
visit another site.  Another cause for status quo is
that the land currently has soybeans on it.  They should be harvested 
by mid to late September, depending on the weather.
At that point it will be open for them to use.

On October 13 and 14 there will be 50-60 boy scouts camping out at
the 
park.  They will be next to the observatory--either
just immediately east of the hedgeline east of us or just between it 
and us.  Mayor McCandless and Steve Towns asked if we
could be open both nights for the boys.  We should probably get a 
couple of people ready to work in case the skies are
clear and the boys are interested.

Scott:  Great report.  It's nice of you to report the meeting here, since
most people wouldn't hear about it except at a Board Meeting.

Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kranz [mailto:skranz@...]
Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 11:57 PM
To: ASKC@egroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] a late summary of the Park Board Meeting from August 14

An update...

In the last day or two, there has been an electrical conduit buried running
to the new shed.........

Just so they keep the lights on the inside and not on the outside.

scott

Scott Kranz wrote:

> Hey everyone!
>
> Just a quick note to let you know what happened at the August 14 very
> extended Park Board meeting.........
>
> The first issue, and probably the most important to us, is that
> baseball field B might be getting more lighting.  There
> are currently already lights on this field, but these new lights will
> get it up to regulation standards.  The lights are
> already bought, but now the Park Board needs to acquire poles for
> placement.  They will need 6 or 7 sixty to seventy foot
> poles for mounting the lights on.  They are going to contact KCP&L
> for
> some pole donations.
>
> The lighting of the fields policy with the observatory still applies,
> but now when the lights are on they may be a bit
> brighter.  Our lease already states that we can do nothing about
> existing field lights, so don't even get all bothered.
> All we can do is make sure they try to turn them off at a decent
> time.
>  Also, it is not certain that these lights will
> even be installed.  The cost of using these new lights is being
> looked
> into, and if the cost is deemed too high, they may
> be used to replace the existent lights at the baseball park along
> Metcalf, further to the north.
>
> Some barriers are going to be installed between the road and the new
> concession stand to keep vehicles from parking right
> in front of the stand.   Use caution when driving through there!
> They
> are going to put in a playground just to the west
> of the concession stand across the road where that old house used to
> be.  (You did see that the house is no longer there,
> right?)  They want to have a crosswalk there for kids to access the
> playground.
>
> There has been money budgeted to pave Jingo road.  By the way it
> sounds, they may possibly pave it all the way to the
> observatory.
>
> Plans are under way to widen the curve at the Northeast corner of the
> park so it will not be a 90-degree turn.
>
> Nick!  The silo may be staying right where it is!  Last month the
> Park
> Board asked the City to remove the silo.  They are
> now planning to rescind that proposal and keep it there.  Apparently
> people think it is some kind of landmark.   Steve
> Towns is going out to weld bars across the tunnel ladder to keep kids
> out of there.
>
> You've all seen the stumps just to the south of the silo?  They are
> planning to take them out and put in a little softball
> field there (maybe t-ball field).  They are also going into the woods
> and taking out more trees to the south of that area.
>
> The City Council is going to visit the Blue Springs BMX track either
> August 22 or 29.  Currently, the plans for the
> Louisburg BMX track are on hold until the council had a chance to
> visit another site.  Another cause for status quo is
> that the land currently has soybeans on it.  They should be harvested
> by mid to late September, depending on the weather.
> At that point it will be open for them to use.
>
> On October 13 and 14 there will be 50-60 boy scouts camping out at
> the
> park.  They will be next to the observatory--either
> just immediately east of the hedgeline east of us or just between it
> and us.  Mayor McCandless and Steve Towns asked if we
> could be open both nights for the boys.  We should probably get a
> couple of people ready to work in case the skies are
> clear and the boys are interested.
>
> 
>
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Well, Gina usually put together a report, but I figured I'd give her a break
from Park Board Recording Secretary...hehehehe

Tom Martinez wrote:

> Scott:  Great report.  It's nice of you to report the meeting here, since
> most people wouldn't hear about it except at a Board Meeting.
>
> Tom
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Kranz [mailto:skranz@...]
> Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 11:57 PM
> To: ASKC@egroups.com
> Subject: [ASKC] a late summary of the Park Board Meeting from August 14
>
> 
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> ASKC-unsubscribe@egroups.com

Who decides how our money is spent?  I can't help off-site because I'm too 
new at this and don't own a scope.  I wouldn't feel confident enough.
Stacey


>From: David dembinski <ddembinski@...>
>Reply-To: ASKC@egroups.com
>To: ASKC@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [[ASKC] Gift Certificate from SBIG available]
>Date: 17 Aug 00 10:53:05 PDT
>
>Dave -
>
>Can it be used for the color filter wheel?  If so I am interested.
>
>Dave
>
>
>
>David Hudgins <dhudgins@...> wrote:
>
> > ---------------------------------------------
> >	Attachment:�
> >	MIME Type:�multipart/alternative
> > ---------------------------------------------
>Hi Folks,
>
>For anyone considering buying an SBIG camera, I won a 10% discount
>coupon from SBIG at the AL Mid-States conference. I will gladly give it
>to anyone who can use it before it expires Sept 9.
>
>Dave
>
>
>
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Oops!  Sorry wrong conversation.  My question still stands though.  I've not 
been present at a meeting when there was a vote on expenditures.  Is that 
taken care of at board meetings?
stacey


>From: David Hudgins <dhudgins@...>
>Reply-To: ASKC@egroups.com
>To: ASKC@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [[ASKC] Gift Certificate from SBIG available]
>Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:44:10 -0500
>
>Dave, well, the certificate reads "A 10% discount on the purchase of any 
>CCD camera from
>SBIG". But I will send them an e-mail and ask, OK?
>Dave
>
>David dembinski wrote:
>
> > Dave -
> >
> > Can it be used for the color filter wheel?  If so I am interested.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > David Hudgins <dhudgins@...> wrote:
> >
> > > ---------------------------------------------
> > >       Attachment:
> > >       MIME Type: multipart/alternative
> > > ---------------------------------------------
> > Hi Folks,
> >
> > For anyone considering buying an SBIG camera, I won a 10% discount
> > coupon from SBIG at the AL Mid-States conference. I will gladly give it
> > to anyone who can use it before it expires Sept 9.
> >
> > Dave
> >
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Yes Stacey.  Board Meetings are where the decisions are made on how the money is
spent.  Come and join us at one.  They are open to all members of the ASKC and
lots of interesting stuff does go on.   They are held at 7pm on the 2nd Thursday
each month in Royal Hall (same as the General Meetings).  Septembers meeting
will be held on Thursday, Sept 14th.

Hope to see you there...

And about star parties...nothing is required...  just show up and help out.
It's nice to have a few helping hands just with crowd control.  Come out and
help, after the first one you help at, you'll be hooked.

Later...Scott


Stacey Turner wrote:

> Oops!  Sorry wrong conversation.  My question still stands though.  I've not
> been present at a meeting when there was a vote on expenditures.  Is that
> taken care of at board meetings?
> stacey
>
> >From: David Hudgins <dhudgins@...>
> >Reply-To: ASKC@egroups.com
> >To: ASKC@egroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [[ASKC] Gift Certificate from SBIG available]
> >Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:44:10 -0500
> >
> >Dave, well, the certificate reads "A 10% discount on the purchase of any
> >CCD camera from
> >SBIG". But I will send them an e-mail and ask, OK?
> >Dave
> >
> >David dembinski wrote:
> >
> > > Dave -
> > >
> > > Can it be used for the color filter wheel?  If so I am interested.
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> > > David Hudgins <dhudgins@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > > ---------------------------------------------
> > > >       Attachment:
> > > >       MIME Type: multipart/alternative
> > > > ---------------------------------------------
> > > Hi Folks,
> > >
> > > For anyone considering buying an SBIG camera, I won a 10% discount
> > > coupon from SBIG at the AL Mid-States conference. I will gladly give it
> > > to anyone who can use it before it expires Sept 9.
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
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We need someone to do a program at Powell for a private group on August 25. Johnny Allen will be there to open up but not to do a program. Johnny's previous partner is no longer a keyholder so we need a volunteer by Wednesday so I can confirm or cancel.

Well, since I wasn't home anyway, and just got the message, not having
checked e-mail for a week, I couldn't help you out!  I'm a mess.

jackie

-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Robinson [mailto:webmaster@...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 11:32 PM
To: ASKC@egroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Need to trade


I will be in Pittsburg Kansas most of Saturday (9/19), getting my son
moved to PSU, and may not make it back in time for my public duty
night at Powell.
Is there anyone who wants to switch public nights with me, so that if
I don't get back to town in time, I am covered?.
Mike Larkin is team leader, and Lario is giving the talk.




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I can do it...  Let me know if you want me to!  I'm getting around pretty
good these days!  Jackie
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    Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2000 6:13 PM
    To: ASKC@egroups.com
    Subject: [ASKC] star party


    We need someone to do a program at Powell for a private group on August
25. Johnny Allen will be there to open up but not to do a program. Johnny's
previous partner is no longer a keyholder so we need a volunteer by
Wednesday so I can confirm or cancel.

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Sorry,  I would do it,  but already have another party to go to.

-Scott

David Young wrote:

> We need someone to do a program at Powell for a private group on
> August 25. Johnny Allen will be there to open up but not to do a
> program. Johnny's previous partner is no longer a keyholder so we need
> a volunteer by Wednesday so I can confirm or cancel.
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David,
I could open or close to help J. Allen but not enough exp. for a program.
Dick Trentman.

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We need someone to do a program at Powell for a private group on August 25. Johnny Allen will be there to open up but not to do a program. Johnny's previous partner is no longer a keyholder so we need a volunteer by Wednesday so I can confirm or cancel.
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I will be there for asteroid team. Who ever gives the presentation feel free to mention the AIC as a tour stop. I'll be available to help set up the classroom or anything else needed also.
Joe Alburty

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I noticed a note on the counter about needing a spare bulb. The projector that is down there now will be replaced soon. I think Gil will be getting one in the next day or two.

There is a large wasp nest near the apex of the dome. I was going to knock the nest down and toss it outside but Larrio showed up with some students and I didn't want a bunch of really pissed wasps crawling up someone's leg in the dark. Be wary of them if you go down in the daytime. They were buzzing around a lot until the sun went down but were dormant after dark. 

A galaxy quest night sounds great! Is anyone working on the League  Arp Galaxy observing award with the AIC equipment? If so, a short article in the newsletter about the observing award with a picture or two would be a great reinforcement of the idea that the AIC can be used for more than asteroid searches. That would help fill the newsletter, boost observing awards, and promote use of the AIC. So, any takers? Heck we can probably find a ghost-writer if we need to :)
Kathy
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Gina Fedon 
  To: ASKC@egroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 5:51 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] Galaxy Quest Night


  David,

  Great idea!  I'm all for it.  In fact, I think we might even dedicate to it one weekend a month (not a new moon night, though, nor a full moon...  One in between).  We could advertise it in the newsletter, on the web site and the general meeting.
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: David Hudgins 
    To: ASKC@egroups.com 
    Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 4:24 PM
    Subject: Re: [ASKC] Hello from Mount Wilson


    In  regard to Melissa's suggestion about using the AIC for general astronomy,
    I think the truth is that it has not been clearly advertised as available for
    general imaging. Maybe we could organized some evenings for members to come
    down and be helped using the system for imaging their favorite galaxies and
    nebulae? We could have "Deep Sky Imaging Night" or even "Galaxy Quest Night"
    open to members. Just need to advertise it ... and maybe "they will come!"
    Worth a try maybe?



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Nick reports that Larry Robinson has discovered two new asteroids. Congrads to Larry. Nick pointed out that the big surveys are shut down for a few weeks and now is a great time to search the anti-solar point and bag new discoveries!

Kathy, I would be happy to host a Galaxy Quest Night. Is it too late to
advertise a Friday Sept 8 (assuming the AIC is free) event? Otherwise
Oct. 6 is next time I can do it.   Dave

Kathy Machin wrote:

> A galaxy quest night sounds great! Is anyone working on the League
> Arp Galaxy observing award with the AIC equipment? If so, a short
> article in the newsletter about the observing award with a picture or
> two would be a great reinforcement of the idea that the AIC can be
> used for more than asteroid searches. That would help fill the
> newsletter, boost observing awards, and promote use of the AIC. So,
> any takers? Heck we can probably find a ghost-writer if we need to
> :)Kathy
>
>      ----- Original Message -----
>      From: Gina Fedon
>      To: ASKC@egroups.com
>      Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 5:51 PM
>      Subject: [ASKC] Galaxy Quest Night
>       David, Great idea!  I'm all for it.  In fact, I think we
>      might even dedicate to it one weekend a month (not a new
>      moon night, though, nor a full moon...  One in between).  We
>      could advertise it in the newsletter, on the web site and
>      the general meeting.
>
>           ----- Original Message -----
>           From: David Hudgins
>           To: ASKC@egroups.com
>           Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 4:24 PM
>           Subject: Re: [ASKC] Hello from Mount Wilson
>            In  regard to Melissa's suggestion about using
>           the AIC for general astronomy,
>           I think the truth is that it has not been clearly
>           advertised as available for
>           general imaging. Maybe we could organized some
>           evenings for members to come
>           down and be helped using the system for imaging
>           their favorite galaxies and
>           nebulae? We could have "Deep Sky Imaging Night" or
>           even "Galaxy Quest Night"
>           open to members. Just need to advertise it ... and
>           maybe "they will come!"
>           Worth a try maybe?
>
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After 4 days of trying I still haven't been able to verify a video projector for room 111 for Saturday night. Jim Phillips has also been trying to reach the audio visual department guy with out luck. Now the Dean is involved and the  av guy is in deep do do. Jim says if all else fails we can use room 310 in the new science building. It seats 100 and has full av capabilities. Heck I'd like to see Powers of Ten and the aurora video some day too.

Jim Phillips has come through! There will be a video projection unit for us tomorrow night.

On another note. One of the duty keyholders for tonights private program is sick and can't make it. Can someone jump in at the last minute and help us out? Please give me a call or leave an e-mail if you can make it to Powell tonight by 6:30. I'm headed to the doctor at 4:30 in Liberty and should be able to go down if no one else can make it.

Please contact me!

Only one new keyholder will be at Powell tonight. Nick is looking for a kind, generous, good looking, intellegent,.... ok, ok, sucker, to help out and miss the GM tonight by going to Powell instead. If any of these descriptions fit you and you would go down and help staff the place, please call Nick at 913-963-7788. Nick is just back in town and on the move today so if you can't get him, give me a call or and e-mail.

David,  I have talked to Nick early this morning and I will be there to help
out and miss the wonderfull GM.  Maybe this is the (new) one you are
referring to in this email.  The "gernerous, good looking, intellegent,..."
I'm not so sure of.  How about some ideas of what is "up and interesting"
that I can aim for.    816-213-5036   Dick Trentman
  -----Original Message-----
  From: David Young [mailto:dyoung@...]
  Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 10:42 AM
  To: ASKC@egroups.com
  Subject: [ASKC] Powell tonight (Saturday)


  Only one new keyholder will be at Powell tonight. Nick is looking for a
kind, generous, good looking, intellegent,.... ok, ok, sucker, to help out
and miss the GM tonight by going to Powell instead. If any of these
descriptions fit you and you would go down and help staff the place, please
call Nick at 913-963-7788. Nick is just back in town and on the move today
so if you can't get him, give me a call or and e-mail.

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  David,  I have talked to Nick early this morning and I will be there to help out and miss the wonderfull GM.  Maybe this is the (new) one you are referring to in this email.  The "gernerous, good looking, intellegent,..." I'm not so sure of.  How about some ideas of what is "up and interesting" that I can aim for.    816-213-5036  Dick Trentman

  Yup, you're the "one" I was referring to, Dick. Everything is working well at the observatory. Objects to look at.... All the old standbys, M-57, M-27, M-22, M-31, Alberio, NGC 6826 (a personal favorite) should all be east of the meridian for the first part of the evening. M-31 will be too low until 10:30 or 11:00 so you will probably skip that one or come back to it later. You have to plan the timing of the order of observations to account for position of the eyepiece east or west of the meridian and of course the height of the observers vs scope position. Uranus and Neptune are in Capricorn and in decent position if you want to take a shot at them about 10:30. Start out with an align on Altair and then use the planet finder of the program. John's program is pretty good at finding planets if you are aligned on a reasonably close star. Uranus should show a nice disk with the 20 mm Nagler after you find it with the 40mm. If it's a nice night you might try the 13mm Nagler. Those are my 3 favorite eyepieces for the 30".

  If you go west, M-3 will be low enough to see without using the milk carton. M-51 will be good only if it's a nice night. M-13 and M-92 will be high but nice to look at. NGC 4565 is a nice edge n galaxy but probably too low in the west. M-81 and 82 are in the city light murk but possible. Hope you have a nice night and a FEW visitors! 

Just for future reference.....  I have a multi-media projector that I
can bring to meetings if I'm notified.

Just let me know....  I'm already bringing it to the meeting for Vic's
presentation.

-scott

David Young wrote:

> After 4 days of trying I still haven't been able to verify a video
> projector for room 111 for Saturday night. Jim Phillips has also been
> trying to reach the audio visual department guy with out luck. Now the
> Dean is involved and the av guy is in deep do do. Jim says if all else
> fails we can use room 310 in the new science building. It seats 100
> and has full av capabilities. Heck I'd like to see Powers of Ten and
> the aurora video some day too.
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  From: Scott Kranz 
  To: ASKC@...m 
  Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 6:00 PM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] Meeting


  Just for future reference.....  I have a multi-media projector that I can bring to meetings if I'm notified. 
  Just let me know....  I'm already bringing it to the meeting for Vic's presentation. 

  Cool! Your little gizmo saved us from having to trek next door to Flarshiem Hall 310. As you know we never did hear from the AV guy. Jim Phillips was not amused. 

The Lake Jacomo star party for 150 people (observing only) was requested for Sept 16 but was tentatively scheduled for Friday September 22 to avoid conflict with a public program night.

Rett Alonzi, Kathy Machin and David Hudgins have volunteered for this Friday night event. We need at least 2 more people with telescopes before I confirm to them that we will be there.

The Confederate Memorial in Higgensville has offered us $300 for a star party on Friday October 27. A slide program is expected.

We need two more people for Lake Jacomo and 5 people for the Confederate Memorial.
I will not confirm either of these nights with the groups until I have enough people to cover them.

If you are interested in doing some fund raising for the ASKC by helping out with one of these off site groups, leave me an e-mail or call me at 913-631-8413.

David I had volenteered for the Confederate Star Party on Oct 27th . I will
also try to help out at Lake Jacomo but I cant make a real commitment to it
. I have a party at Powell the 15 and Scopeville is the next weekend so I
may  have to get stuff done around here. But we will do our best to get to
that also . Shelley
  -----Original Message-----
  From: David Young [mailto:dyoung@...]
  Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 7:43 AM
  To: ASKC@egroups.com
  Subject: [ASKC] Star parties


  The Lake Jacomo star party for 150 people (observing only) was requested
for Sept 16 but was tentatively scheduled for Friday September 22 to avoid
conflict with a public program night.

  Rett Alonzi, Kathy Machin and David Hudgins have volunteered for this
Friday night event. We need at least 2 more people with telescopes before I
confirm to them that we will be there.

  The Confederate Memorial in Higgensville has offered us $300 for a star
party on Friday October 27. A slide program is expected.

  We need two more people for Lake Jacomo and 5 people for the Confederate
Memorial.
  I will not confirm either of these nights with the groups until I have
enough people to cover them.

  If you are interested in doing some fund raising for the ASKC by helping
out with one of these off site groups, leave me an e-mail or call me at
913-631-8413.



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Dave -- There will only be 10 or so people, and as long as Johnny is there
all will be OK.  Jackie
    -----Original Message-----
    From: David Young [mailto:dyoung@...]
    Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 2:03 PM
    To: ASKC@egroups.com
    Subject: [ASKC] meeting


    Jim Phillips has come through! There will be a video projection unit for
us tomorrow night.

    On another note. One of the duty keyholders for tonights private program
is sick and can't make it. Can someone jump in at the last minute and help
us out? Please give me a call or leave an e-mail if you can make it to
Powell tonight by 6:30. I'm headed to the doctor at 4:30 in Liberty and
should be able to go down if no one else can make it.

    Please contact me!

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Can some one please tell me the best way to photograph the milkyway.
Whats the best film to use and how long of an exposeure to take?
Amy and I are going to play around with her Celestron 8". 
Thanks, Shelley

Shelly - best way is to mount camera "piggyback" on scope with the clock
drive on (of course!). Use at least a 50mm or better a 35mm focal length
lens. Try Fuji 400 print film. Open lens wide (f/2 or what ever), set on
infinity. Line the long frame length up with the Milky Way centered on the
star cloud in Scutum, near Lagoon Nebula.. Use a cable release so you can
take long exposures. Do exposures on 30, 60, 90 sec. then maybe 3 minutes.
Best exposure depends on level of light pollution.

It's amazing what modern films can record! Let me know how it turns out!

Dave



grangers wrote:

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> Can some one please tell me the best way to photograph the milkyway.
> Whats the best film to use and how long of an exposeure to take?
> Amy and I are going to play around with her Celestron 8".
> Thanks, Shelley
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David,
How about October 6 if all is OK otherwise? That would give a bit more time for publicity and such.
Thanks,
Kathy
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  From: David Hudgins 
  To: ASKC@egroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 8:38 AM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] Galaxy Quest Night


  Kathy, I would be happy to host a Galaxy Quest Night. Is it too late to advertise a Friday Sept 8 (assuming the AIC is free) event? Otherwise Oct. 6 is next time I can do it.   Dave 
  Kathy Machin wrote: 

    A galaxy quest night sounds great! Is anyone working on the League  Arp Galaxy observing award with the AIC equipment? If so, a short article in the newsletter about the observing award with a picture or two would be a great reinforcement of the idea that the AIC can be used for more than asteroid searches. That would help fill the newsletter, boost observing awards, and promote use of the AIC. So, any takers? Heck we can probably find a ghost-writer if we need to :)Kathy 
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Gina Fedon
      To: ASKC@egroups.com
      Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 5:51 PM
      Subject: [ASKC] Galaxy Quest Night
       David, Great idea!  I'm all for it.  In fact, I think we might even dedicate to it one weekend a month (not a new moon night, though, nor a full moon...  One in between).  We could advertise it in the newsletter, on the web site and the general meeting. 
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: David Hudgins
        To: ASKC@egroups.com
        Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 4:24 PM
        Subject: Re: [ASKC] Hello from Mount Wilson
         In  regard to Melissa's suggestion about using the AIC for general astronomy, 
        I think the truth is that it has not been clearly advertised as available for 
        general imaging. Maybe we could organized some evenings for members to come 
        down and be helped using the system for imaging their favorite galaxies and 
        nebulae? We could have "Deep Sky Imaging Night" or even "Galaxy Quest Night" 
        open to members. Just need to advertise it ... and maybe "they will come!" 
        Worth a try maybe? 
         

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The telescope building workshop will be this Sunday September 3 and Sunday September 10 at noon at Powell Observatory.

Feel free to come down and watch, point, laugh, help, whatever.

Kathy - oh-oh, I got a blank message from you. I assume about Galaxy
Quest Nite. What were you saying?
Dave

Kathy Machin wrote:

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> David,How about October 6 if all is OK otherwise? That would give a
> bit more time for publicity and such.Thanks,Kathy
>
>      ----- Original Message -----
>      From: David Hudgins
>      To: ASKC@egroups.com
>      Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 8:38 AM
>      Subject: Re: [ASKC] Galaxy Quest Night
>       Kathy, I would be happy to host a Galaxy Quest Night. Is it
>      too late to advertise a Friday Sept 8 (assuming the AIC is
>      free) event? Otherwise Oct. 6 is next time I can do it.
>      Dave
>
>      Kathy Machin wrote:
>
>     > A galaxy quest night sounds great! Is anyone working on
>     > the League  Arp Galaxy observing award with the AIC
>     > equipment? If so, a short article in the newsletter about
>     > the observing award with a picture or two would be a great
>     > reinforcement of the idea that the AIC can be used for
>     > more than asteroid searches. That would help fill the
>     > newsletter, boost observing awards, and promote use of the
>     > AIC. So, any takers? Heck we can probably find a
>     > ghost-writer if we need to :)Kathy
>     >
>     >      ----- Original Message -----
>     >      From: Gina Fedon
>     >      To: ASKC@egroups.com
>     >      Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 5:51 PM
>     >      Subject: [ASKC] Galaxy Quest Night
>     >       David, Great idea!  I'm all for it.  In fact, I
>     >      think we might even dedicate to it one weekend a
>     >      month (not a new moon night, though, nor a full
>     >      moon...  One in between).  We could advertise it
>     >      in the newsletter, on the web site and the
>     >      general meeting.
>     >
>     >           ----- Original Message -----
>     >           From: David Hudgins
>     >           To: ASKC@egroups.com
>     >           Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 4:24
>     >           PM
>     >           Subject: Re: [ASKC] Hello from Mount
>     >           Wilson
>     >            In  regard to Melissa's suggestion
>     >           about using the AIC for general
>     >           astronomy,
>     >           I think the truth is that it has not
>     >           been clearly advertised as available
>     >           for
>     >           general imaging. Maybe we could
>     >           organized some evenings for members to
>     >           come
>     >           down and be helped using the system
>     >           for imaging their favorite galaxies
>     >           and
>     >           nebulae? We could have "Deep Sky
>     >           Imaging Night" or even "Galaxy Quest
>     >           Night"
>     >           open to members. Just need to
>     >           advertise it ... and maybe "they will
>     >           come!"
>     >           Worth a try maybe?
>     >
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I have an old computer in need of a small hard drive. It's one I donated to a kid to help with his math homework. I'm looking for one of those old 300-500 meg drives. If no one has one of the old clunkers laying around I'll pick one up at the Lenexa computer sale this Sunday morning. They run a$10 to $15 there.

I have the following people listed for Lake Jacomo on September 22 at 8:30 for observing only:
Rett Alonzi, Kathy machin, David Hudgins, Randy Rathbun, Melissa Kirk

I will be confirming this night asap. 

I currently have zero people confirmed for Confederate Memorial on Oct 27 and I will not book that night until I have people. I intend to call them and cancel on Sept 15 if I do not have anyone to staff it by that date.

Well thanks everyone for the advice on the pictures, we had a great night
except that both our cameras didnt fit the mount on Amys scope ( her dad
bought it and he bought it for his Nikon..I have a Minolta and she has a
Cannon :) So we will have to try agian another night. We had a great night
observing anyway. Shelley

Hi,

Well am still healing, and bored to tears.  Will not be able to make 
astrofest either this year. Will miss not being able to see either of you.
                                 Lesa
P.s.  If I had anything astro-wise going on, I would certainly have more to 
say!!!

I don't quite understand, Shelley.  It looks like you are trying to attach
your camera to the Celestron via a camera adaptor for a Nikon camera.  Well,
if you are trying to shoot the Milky Way, shooting through the Celestron
won't do it.  It's like attaching a huge 2000mm telephoto lens to your
camera and that magnifies the sky too much.  If you are piggybacking your
camera on top of the Celestron, then the camera would mount on an adaptor
with a 1/4-20 bolt that fits the bottom of any camera.

Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: grangers [mailto:grangers@...]

both our cameras didnt fit the mount on Amys scope ( her dad
bought it and he bought it for his Nikon..I have a Minolta and she has a
Cannon

At 18:38 00/08/30 -0500, you wrote: 

>>>>

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<fontfamily><param>Times New Roman</param>I have the following people
listed for Lake Jacomo on September 22 at 8:30 for observing only:

Rett Alonzi, Kathy machin, David Hudgins, Randy Rathbun, Melissa Kirk

</fontfamily>  

<fontfamily><param>Times New Roman</param>I will be confirming this night
asap. 

</fontfamily>  

<fontfamily><param>Times New Roman</param>I currently have zero people
confirmed for Confederate Memorial on Oct 27 and I will not book that
night until I have people. I intend to call them and cancel on Sept 15 if
I do not have anyone to staff it by that date.

</fontfamily>

</excerpt><<<<<<<<


David,


I can also be at Lake Jacomo -- scope?, or binoculars?


Roger

  David,

  I can also be at Lake Jacomo -- scope?, or binoculars?


  Binoculars might be nice on your excellent mount.

DUH!!! well you now I'm photographically ignorant..just ask my husband :) I
am going to fig this all out one of these days though ..thanks Tom ..Shelley

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Martinez [mailto:martinez@...]
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 6:17 PM
To: ASKC@egroups.com
Subject: RE: [ASKC] Pictures



I don't quite understand, Shelley.  It looks like you are trying to attach
your camera to the Celestron via a camera adaptor for a Nikon camera.  Well,
if you are trying to shoot the Milky Way, shooting through the Celestron
won't do it.  It's like attaching a huge 2000mm telephoto lens to your
camera and that magnifies the sky too much.  If you are piggybacking your
camera on top of the Celestron, then the camera would mount on an adaptor
with a 1/4-20 bolt that fits the bottom of any camera.

Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: grangers [mailto:grangers@...]

both our cameras didnt fit the mount on Amys scope ( her dad
bought it and he bought it for his Nikon..I have a Minolta and she has a
Cannon


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Shelley:  We all gotta learn some how.  You should have seen some of the
mistakes I made when I started shooting the sky way back in the 1970's (now
I'm showing my age!).

If you all like, I can set up my photo equipment along with you and show you
some hands on.  But first I probably need to see what equipment you have.
There is nothing worse than driving to a dark sight and finding out you've
forgotten some important item.  Ask

Gary Pittman about forgetting his telescope wedge sometime.

I forgot  a few things when I went to Bolivia, but I made do.  Luckily I
didn't forget important things I couldn't do without.

-----Original Message-----
From: grangers [mailto:grangers@...]
S
DUH!!! well you now I'm photographically ignorant..just ask my husband :) I
am going to fig this all out one of these days though ..thanks Tom ..Shelley

Shelley:  We all gotta learn some how.  You should have seen some of the
mistakes I made when I started shooting the sky way back in the 1970's (now
I'm showing my age!).

If you all like, I can set up my photo equipment along with you and show you
some hands on.  But first I probably need to see what equipment you have.
There is nothing worse than driving to a dark sight and finding out you've
forgotten some important item.  Ask

Gary Pittman about forgetting his telescope wedge sometime.

I forgot  a few things when I went to Bolivia, but I made do.  Luckily I
didn't forget important things I couldn't do without.


OK, ok, you had to bring that up didn't you Tom. Just when I thought I had
left my horrible past behind me it rears its ugly head. <G> You have to
remember, everyone forgets something, sometime. I just happened to forget an
important piece of equipment. Try as I might I just couldn't make those tree
branches lashed together work for a wedge. Oh well, fortunately I don't
forget things anymore. I've learned my lessson. What was it we were talking
about?

Gary

Sorry about that Gary.  But everytime I plan a trip with my equipment the
"forgotten wedge" episode always pops up in my mind.  I don't think I will
ever forget that.  See ya at George and Jodees, we're leaving at 1:00 pm

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OK, ok, you had to bring that up didn't you Tom. Just when I thought I had
left my horrible past behind me it rears its ugly head. <G> You have to
remember, everyone forgets something, sometime. I just happened to forget an
important piece of equipment. Try as I might I just couldn't make those tree
branches lashed together work for a wedge. Oh well, fortunately I don't
forget things anymore. I've learned my lessson. What was it we were talking
about?

David,
My grandson is going to be in ST Louis this weekend so we will not be a the
telescope workshop Sunday.  But the next Sunday we will.  Dick Trentman
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    David,

    I can also be at Lake Jacomo -- scope?, or binoculars?


    Binoculars might be nice on your excellent mount.

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  workshop Sunday.  But the next Sunday we will.  Dick Trentman

  Hmmm... I don't have you listed as building a scope. Is my list in error?

  Gary Pittman about forgetting his telescope wedge sometime.

  I forgot  a few things when I went to Bolivia, but I made do.  Luckily I
  didn't forget important things I couldn't do without.


  I seem to recall some well driller hanging a pipe wrench off of his German Equitorial one night due to a forgotten counterweight. I've always managed to bring the tube though ;-)

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> 
> I will be confirming this night asap.
> 
> I currently have zero people confirmed for Confederate Memorial on Oct
> 27 and I will not book that night until I have people. I intend to
> call them and cancel on Sept 15 if I do not have anyone to staff it by
> that date.
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David

We didn't get to talk after the meeting when I indicated that I would
hep on the 16th.  I believe that I can still make the 26th

Joe

That is interesting.  I came to your house and gave you a check for $160 and
you told me it was too much and I said no keep the $10 and add to your pool
for odds and ends or what ever for extra stuff you keep on hand.  You were
building a new porch deck on the front of the house.

Dick

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    workshop Sunday.  But the next Sunday we will.  Dick Trentman

    Hmmm... I don't have you listed as building a scope. Is my list in
error?

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  That is interesting.  I came to your house and gave you a check for $160 and you told me it was too much and I said no keep the $10 and add to your pool for odds and ends or what ever for extra stuff you keep on hand.  You were building a new porch deck on the front of the house.
   

  That goes a long ways to explain why I have an extra mirror set. AHA! Looking forward to seeing you next Sunday!

  That is interesting.  I came to your house and gave you a check for $160 and you told me it was too much and I said no keep the $10 and add to your pool for odds and ends or what ever for extra stuff you keep on hand.  You were building a new porch deck on the front of the house.
   

  Addendum to previous message. I just realized you will need to come by and pick up the base and a tube assembly so you can get it painted before next Sunday. I'll tinker one together in the next day or so and call or e-mail you when you can come by and pick it up. It will probably be ready tomorrow afternoon (Monday).

I stopped by K-Mart today to check pricing on those little Daisy and Copperhead pointing sights for bb guns/pellet guns that some of us have been adapting for telescope sights. Crossman has one out that looks like it would be easier to use. The cost is the same as the others $14.92 with tax. The Crossman has a much wider viewing window which seems like a plus to me. It also has plastic knobs for adjustments instead of requiring a screw driver to adjust. It only has an on/off switch like the Daisy. The Copperhead has a two position switch but I think the knobs and the wider window will make the Crossman better for our purposes. Now if I can just figure out an easy way to make a mounting gizmo for them. Those little do-dads Harry Britt made a few years ago for $8.00 (all proceeds went to the ASKC) were dandy but I don't think they are available now.

David, thanks for sharing this infformation. With all my scopes I'm
always looking for better sighting devices. But mounting these rifle
sights are always a problem.   Dave

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> I stopped by K-Mart today to check pricing on those little Daisy and
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> have been adapting for telescope sights. Crossman has one out that
> looks like it would be easier to use. The cost is the same as the
> others $14.92 with tax. The Crossman has a much wider viewing window
> which seems like a plus to me. It also has plastic knobs for
> adjustments instead of requiring a screw driver to adjust. It only has
> an on/off switch like the Daisy. The Copperhead has a two position
> switch but I think the knobs and the wider window will make the
> Crossman better for our purposes. Now if I can just figure out an easy
> way to make a mounting gizmo for them. Those little do-dads Harry
> Britt made a few years ago for $8.00 (all proceeds went to the ASKC)
> were dandy but I don't think they are available now.
>
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David -- I think those little gizmos' ARE available!  Ask Harry.  We were
selling them at the Marketing table at ASKC meetings for years.  Harry had
made up a bunch of them...

Jackie

Hello, Everyone!

I just got a card in the mail from the Linda Hall Library regarding another
one of their lectures.  Here is the scoop:

"Solar Flares and Fusion Energy"
by Michael Brown, Assoc. Professor of Physics, Dept of Physics and AStronomy

Thursday, Sept. 14th, 2000, at 5:30 PM.

This is the SAME NIGHT AS THE BOARD MEETING -- LAST TIME, WE HAD PLENTY OF
TIME TO GO TO THE LECTURE, THEN DRIVE OVER TO THE BOARD MEETING.

I will probably be there!

Clear Skies,

Jackie BEUCHER - (alias Wade)

Thanks for this information Jackie.
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  Hello, Everyone!

  I just got a card in the mail from the Linda Hall Library regarding
another one of their lectures.  Here is the scoop:

  "Solar Flares and Fusion Energy"
  by Michael Brown, Assoc. Professor of Physics, Dept of Physics and
AStronomy

  Thursday, Sept. 14th, 2000, at 5:30 PM.

  This is the SAME NIGHT AS THE BOARD MEETING -- LAST TIME, WE HAD PLENTY OF
TIME TO GO TO THE LECTURE, THEN DRIVE OVER TO THE BOARD MEETING.

  I will probably be there!

  Clear Skies,

  Jackie BEUCHER - (alias Wade)


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More on the point sights.... We met some friends for dinner tonight and knowing he was a pretty good carpenter, I took one of the Crossman sights with me. We talked about an idea I had for mounting the sights and he made a batch of wooden mounts for me. He used a power planer to thin down a piece of 3/4" poplar to 7/16". That is just the right size to clamp the Crossman, Daisy, Copperhead point sights onto. We cut them to the same length as the clamp area and they look like they will work very nicely to mount any of the sights. A couple of small screws will easily attach them to the workshop scopes. I'll bring a bag of them to the workshop next week and take the left overs to the picnic in case someone else wants to use them.

  Jackie:  Thanks for the info on the lecture.  I'll will try to be there.
Is the lecture at Linda Hall?

  Tom

I have the following people listed as still being interested in doing 
asteroid follow-up work.......

Scott Kranz
Dick Trentman
Tim Kristl
Jackie Beucher
Shelley Granger
John Holloway
Joe Alburty
DJ Kindberg
Rett Alonzi
Melissa Kirk
Nick Reuss
Richard Fredrick

......anybody else interested?

I will be forming new teams so let me know soon!

-Scott

Please add me to the list.
                                                Gil Machin
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: 
: I have the following people listed as still being interested in doing 
: asteroid follow-up work.......
: 
: Scott Kranz
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: Tim Kristl
: Jackie Beucher
: Shelley Granger
: John Holloway
: Joe Alburty
: DJ Kindberg
: Rett Alonzi
: Melissa Kirk
: Nick Reuss
: Richard Fredrick
: 
: ......anybody else interested?
: 
: I will be forming new teams so let me know soon!
: 
: -Scott
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  I have the following people listed as still being interested in doing 
  asteroid follow-up work.......
  ......anybody else interested?

  I will be forming new teams so let me know soon!


  I'm interested in occaisional but not necessarily weekly sessions. Too much other stuff going on for me.

In case you haven't heard, the October General meeting "program" will be astro trivia. The contest will be run similar to the way we have done it in the past and will use Roger Gruenke's electronic buzzer system. I'm thinking of having those who want to participate put their names on a piece of paper and then draw random teams. That should make it fair for everyone so we don't have a bunch of smarties ganging up on a team of newbies. What do you guys think? I'm open to any and all ideas at this point. Any rules you want to suggest or game shows you want to imitate will be considered. We'll talk it over at the board meeting next week and start getting things planned. I also would like to have help with the questions. If you get a few minutes how about writing up some easy, average and obscure ones and e-mail them to me?

How about a costume contest again since it's Halloween season?

Yes -- the lecture is always in that main hall right in the middle of the
library.  Or it always has been.  They will probably change it on me this
time...

Jackie




    Jackie:  Thanks for the info on the lecture.  I'll will try to be there.
Is the lecture at Linda Hall?

    Tom

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Hi, David!

First - drawing the names out of a hat is a GREAT idea.  I will participate
on those grounds.

Second -- you can't have folks that will be playing ALSO writing the
questions!  You need to make sure no questions come from players...  :-)
If that is not important, I'll send you a BUNCH of questions!  HA!  (How
about some old ones from 9 years of Astro-Trivia at Great Plains Star
Party????)

See Ya!

Jackie

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In case you haven't heard, the October General meeting "program" will be
astro trivia. The contest will be run similar to the way we have done it in
the past and will use Roger Gruenke's electronic buzzer system. I'm thinking
of having those who want to participate put their names on a piece of paper
and then draw random teams. That should make it fair for everyone so we
don't have a bunch of smarties ganging up on a team of newbies. What do you
guys think? I'm open to any and all ideas at this point. Any rules you want
to suggest or game shows you want to imitate will be considered. We'll talk
it over at the board meeting next week and start getting things planned. I
also would like to have help with the questions. If you get a few minutes
how about writing up some easy, average and obscure ones and e-mail them to
me?

How about a costume contest again since it's Halloween season?

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  Hi, David!
   
  First - drawing the names out of a hat is a GREAT idea.  I will participate on those grounds.
   
  Second -- you can't have folks that will be playing ALSO writing the questions!  You need to make sure no questions come from players...  :-)     If that is not important, I'll send you a BUNCH of questions!  HA!  (How about some old ones from 9 years of Astro-Trivia at Great Plains Star Party????)
   
  Well of course the person reading the questions can't participate. That person may be me or some other volunteer but there's no reason only one person must do that part all the way through. There's also no reason not to put the name of the person submitting the question next to the question and just not asking that question when they are playing.

Anyone available?


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I would gladly do it. Gotta do our part to educate the next batch of ASKC
members. Any Monday would be good for me.

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  David , where is the school located?  Shelley

  I dunno... I forwarded the entire message I received from Gil. If interested you might want to respond to the original email.

  I would gladly do it. Gotta do our part to educate the next batch of ASKC members. Any Monday would be good for me.

  Darren J Kindberg
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  I reckon you should respond to the original sender.

The Lousiburg Lyons Club will be at Powell next Wednesday Sept 13. Mr. Coltrain (sp?) drove to the observatory tonight to arrange the visit. Some of you may recall that Mr. Coltrain was the mayor of Lousiburg when the observatory was opened. David Probert and I will be there and we would welcome any other ASKC members to come down and smoose with us.

I forgot to change the email on my mailer yesterday - here goes the
bounces... :)

Randy Rathbun
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http://randyrathbun.org

We use these sights for paintball. They are tough little buggers. I have
yet to have one break. 

We use dovetail mounts that you can usually get at some of the stores, but
most of them are made to slip over the barrel. There are some though that
are nothing more than a flat piece of metal with a dovetail groove on
them. 

There are also some sights that use about a 1/8 inch piece of plastic -
they are normally neon green or orange, and give a kind of neat effect for
aiming. I think they usually refer to them as "light pipes" or something
like that. I know K-Mart has them. Check near the paintball gear and you
will see them. They are about 2 inches long or so. Not sure how well they
would work in night time dark, but I have used them successfully in a
darkened cave with not a whole lot of light. The best thing about them is
they are VERY low profile, so you don't have to worry about knocking them
off or even removing them when you put the scope back in the case. I bet a
body could even put a small LED under them and light them up that way. 

On Mon, 4 Sep 2000, David Hudgins wrote:

> David, thanks for sharing this infformation. With all my scopes I'm
> always looking for better sighting devices. But mounting these rifle
> sights are always a problem.   Dave
> 
> David Young wrote:
> > I stopped by K-Mart today to check pricing on those little Daisy and
...

Can anyone from one of the asteroid teams come to Powell Wednesday night. The Lousiburg Lyons Club and former Mayor Coltrain have expressed specific interest in that program. It would be nice if someone competent with the software could be there to demonstrate. I do not qualify.

You are so smart, David....  And I was so tired.....

Jackie


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    Hi, David!

    First - drawing the names out of a hat is a GREAT idea.  I will
participate on those grounds.

    Second -- you can't have folks that will be playing ALSO writing the
questions!  You need to make sure no questions come from players...  :-)
If that is not important, I'll send you a BUNCH of questions!  HA!  (How
about some old ones from 9 years of Astro-Trivia at Great Plains Star
Party????)

    Well of course the person reading the questions can't participate. That
person may be me or some other volunteer but there's no reason only one
person must do that part all the way through. There's also no reason not to
put the name of the person submitting the question next to the question and
just not asking that question when they are playing.

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Can we get any more people from the Asteroid program to come down to Powell this Wednesday. The Lyons Club has many influential people from Lousiburg and the impression we make will have long lasting and long reaching effects on our future in Lewis-Young Park. 

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> Can we get any more people from the Asteroid program to come down to
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> Lousiburg and the impression we make will have long lasting and long
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David

Rita and I have another meeting Wednesday night.  But, I will call the
observatory at the conclusion of the meeting in hopes of driving on down
to the observatory.  I hope our meeting will conclude at around 2030 or
so.

Joe

Hi David,

I've got child care until about 8:45, so the earliest I could be out at
Powell would be around 9:30. If that's not too late just let me know.

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> Can we get any more people from the Asteroid program to come down to
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> Lousiburg and the impression we make will have long lasting and long
> reaching effects on our future in Lewis-Young Park.
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I can try to make it down for a couple of hours.

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  Can we get any more people from the Asteroid program to come down to
Powell this Wednesday. The Lyons Club has many influential people from
Lousiburg and the impression we make will have long lasting and long
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I'm gonna try to be there, but maybe not till between 9 and 10.  I might be 
bringing a friend/possible future ASKC member.

-Leif



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>Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:56:23 -0500
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>Can we get any more people from the Asteroid program to come down to Powell 
>this Wednesday. The Lyons Club has many influential people from Lousiburg 
>and the impression we make will have long lasting and long reaching effects 
>on our future in Lewis-Young Park.

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I announced at last thursday's round table meeting, our scout district's
monthly meeting, that I was starting an Astronomy Merit badge program at
Powell.  You might remember that I mentioned this at a board meeting. 
Serveral troops are interested.  The PR lady for our district will put a
notice in the 'Scouter', a monthly paper received by all troop leaders
in the Council.  Before I send her the actual write up I need some
particulars.  What is the fee for reserving the observatory.  Isn't
there a base fee and some much per head?  I will also be asking if there
is anyone else interested in helping with this program.  This program
can be a plus for the Club.  Many troops lack the funds and
transportation needed to attend Cosmosphere in Hutchison.  

Any input about this program or write is welcome, from all.

Thanks,

Joe

David, still need help tonite? If you need me, how can I help? Just show
up to talk to people, or better to bring, say, my video "moon scope"?
(Really full moon tonite!)
Dave

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> The Lousiburg Lyons Club will be at Powell next Wednesday Sept 13. Mr.
> Coltrain (sp?) drove to the observatory tonight to arrange the visit.
> Some of you may recall that Mr. Coltrain was the mayor of Lousiburg
> when the observatory was opened. David Probert and I will be there and
> we would welcome any other ASKC members to come down and smoose with
> us.
>
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  David, still need help tonite? If you need me, how can I help? Just show up to talk to people, or better to bring, say, my video "moon scope"? (Really full moon tonite!) 
  Dave


  All smoosers welcome. I was hoping to get the aic fired up and show them an asteroid. 

A good night at Powell last night. Thanks to Dick Trentman, Roger Gruenke, Melissa Kirk, Joe Alburty, and David Probert for coming down to smoose the Lions Club. I think things went well and we have a few new friends. See ya tonight at UMKC.

Just in case you may know Paul Tebbe, astronomer professor at Jo.Co. Comm.
College, he passed away suddenly on Sept. 16th.  His obituary is in today's
(Sunday) paper.

Jackie

Thanks for forwarding this information Jackie. I missed it in the paper. I'm
sorry to hear about this.

Gary
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  Just in case you may know Paul Tebbe, astronomer professor at Jo.Co. Comm.
College, he passed away suddenly on Sept. 16th.  His obituary is in today's
(Sunday) paper.

  Jackie


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OK, group, question:
I have a very nice 6 inch mirror that I hope to get aluminized this fall.
Does anyone out there have any recent (last year or so) experience with any
coating companies?
Any information would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Kathy

Sorry Kathy, I have no recent information.

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: Kathy Machin [mailto:kmachin@...]
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2000 9:21 PM
To: ASKC@egroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Mirror coating



OK, group, question:
I have a very nice 6 inch mirror that I hope to get aluminized this fall.
Does anyone out there have any recent (last year or so) experience with any
coating companies?
Any information would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Kathy



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This is from the author of one of the books listed on the ASKC online
bookstore.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Kathleen Duey" <kathleen@...>
To: <antares@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 12:15 PM
Subject: book listing


> LOVE the site and am delighted to have the book listed.
> Thanks again, wonderful site.  Mary was thrilled to see the book listed as
> was I.
> Kathleen
>
> http://www.kathleenduey.com

Hi!

I was wondering if any of the people who were in the AIC for the Lyons Club visit can send me a brief e-mail on how the night went, so I can maybe post it on the ASKC Asteroids web page.

Thank you in advance!  

Gina

I have been going over the club's history material and am looking for 
the earliest record of the club's existence.  So far I have a 
newspaper article in the "Kansas City Journal-Post", dated November, 
12, 1933.  It is headlined:

"Astronomers Here to Be on Alert Monday Night For Meteor Shower -- 
Century Ago Heavens Poured Down Most Impressive and Awesome Display 
Ever Recorded". by W.G. Secrist.

Don't you just love those long headlines?

I got the article from Charles Douglas (sinced passed away) who I 
believe recieved it from Edward F. Bowman (since passed away).  The 
article has the following line in it:

"Edward F. Bowman, president of the Heart of America Amateur 
Astronomers has assembled considerable data concerning the 1833 
visitation for the informatoin of his organization which will watch 
all during the visit of the Leonids."

This is the first time I have heard of the club being called 
the "Heart of America Amateur Astronomers".

I don't have any earlier records than this.  The next record is 
minutes of the "Amateur Astonomers and Telescope Makers", June 6, 
1948 through March, 1951.

In another set of minutes dated June, 28, 1952 the following is 
written: "Then, after much discussion as to changing the name of our 
club from the cumbersome title we have used, Mr. Sellers moved that 
we call ourselves the Astronomy Club.  The motion was seconded by Mr. 
Miller - and carried".

The next months minutes start with:
"The Astronomy Club of Kansas City held its regular meeting at the 
Kansas City Museum on the evening of July, 26, 1952".

I don't know for sure when the name was change to the Astronomical 
Society of Kansas City, but will keep searching.  Does anyone know?

Tom J. Martinez, ASKC Historian

This is very interesting Tom. I had not heard that we were ever called the
Heart of America Amateur Astronomers. Mid 30's is what I've always heard for
out beginnings. I don't know when it changed from Astronomy Club of Kansas
City to Astronomical Society of Kansas City.

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Martinez [mailto:martinez@...]
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 8:11 PM
To: ASKC@egroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] ASKC History



I have been going over the club's history material and am looking for
the earliest record of the club's existence.  So far I have a
newspaper article in the "Kansas City Journal-Post", dated November,
12, 1933.  It is headlined:

"Astronomers Here to Be on Alert Monday Night For Meteor Shower --
Century Ago Heavens Poured Down Most Impressive and Awesome Display
Ever Recorded". by W.G. Secrist.

Don't you just love those long headlines?

I got the article from Charles Douglas (sinced passed away) who I
believe recieved it from Edward F. Bowman (since passed away).  The
article has the following line in it:

"Edward F. Bowman, president of the Heart of America Amateur
Astronomers has assembled considerable data concerning the 1833
visitation for the informatoin of his organization which will watch
all during the visit of the Leonids."

This is the first time I have heard of the club being called
the "Heart of America Amateur Astronomers".

I don't have any earlier records than this.  The next record is
minutes of the "Amateur Astonomers and Telescope Makers", June 6,
1948 through March, 1951.

In another set of minutes dated June, 28, 1952 the following is
written: "Then, after much discussion as to changing the name of our
club from the cumbersome title we have used, Mr. Sellers moved that
we call ourselves the Astronomy Club.  The motion was seconded by Mr.
Miller - and carried".

The next months minutes start with:
"The Astronomy Club of Kansas City held its regular meeting at the
Kansas City Museum on the evening of July, 26, 1952".

I don't know for sure when the name was change to the Astronomical
Society of Kansas City, but will keep searching.  Does anyone know?

Tom J. Martinez, ASKC Historian




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Tom,
As far as Gil remembers, we changed to the Astronomical Society in 1972, or
so.
I believe it was changed before I joined in 73.
I'll look through a few things and see if I have anything more specific.
Kathy

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Martinez" <martinez@...>


> > I don't know for sure when the name was change to the Astronomical
> Society of Kansas City, but will keep searching.  Does anyone know?
>

When and where are we supposed to meet and set up Friday night? There's a
lot of territory out there.
I plan on being there with a 'scope, or binoculars if the weather looks
really questionable.
Thanks,
Kathy

Thanks Kathy, that gives me a place to start searching.  I don't know how
much material there is during that time period.  The only other person I can
think of that might know is Ron Abbott.  Maybe if he reads this he can jump
in with an answer.

By the way, as you may already know, I found the mirror Gil was looking for.
The initials REF are on the side so its the mirror Robert E. Follett made
many moons ago.  It'll be nice if Gil puts that mirror into use.  Tell him I
also found the Focault test Bob Allen and I ran on the mirror back on March
3, 1997.  It is 1/13 wave with a nice smooth figure.  I'll give you the
paper work on it at the picnic.

Tom Martinez, ASKC Historian

Gloria and I just saw sunspots without any optical aid (around 6:15 p.m.
today, 9-20-00).  I saw two obvious groups.  An extremely large one around
10 0'clock position and a smaller group around 6 o'clock.  Gloria thought
she saw an even fainter grouping around 1 or 2 o'clock position.  I did not
see anything there.  After checking a current photo by the Sun on the
internet, sure enough, there is a faint group at 1 o'clock.  Now I call her
"Eagle Eye Glo".  For more info check  http://www.spacew.com/astroalert.html

attached is a photo of what we saw

Tom Martinez, ASKC Historian

Tom,

The "good use" to which we intend to put that mirror is to sell it for
$150.00. I would prefer that we keep it in the ASKC rather than sell it at
AstroFest where no one knows its history. If you or anyone else is
interested, let me know. I will bring it to the picnic.
Kathy

> By the way, as you may already know, I found the mirror Gil was looking
for.
> The initials REF are on the side so its the mirror Robert E. Follett made
> many moons ago.  It'll be nice if Gil puts that mirror into use.  Tell him
I
> also found the Focault test Bob Allen and I ran on the mirror back on
March
> 3, 1997.  It is 1/13 wave with a nice smooth figure.  I'll give you the
> paper work on it at the picnic.
>
> Tom Martinez, ASKC Historian
>

Oh my gosh!  Well folks, here is your chance to buy a fine mirror for $150.
It's not aluminized, but the figure is excellent. The particulars are: 8"
f/8.3, 65.125" focal length.  The figure is extremely smooth with a wave
rating of 1/13  Who ever buys this will have some "killer" optics.

When is Gil leaving for Astrofest?

Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: Kathy Machin [mailto:kmachin@...]
The "good use" to which we intend to put that mirror is to sell it for
$150.00. I would prefer that we keep it in the ASKC rather than sell it at
AstroFest where no one knows its history. If you or anyone else is
interested, let me know. I will bring it to the picnic.
Kathy

> By the way, as you may already know, I found the mirror Gil was looking
for.
> The initials REF are on the side so its the mirror Robert E. Follett made
> many moons ago.  It'll be nice if Gil puts that mirror into use.  Tell him
I
> also found the Focault test Bob Allen and I ran on the mirror back on
March
> 3, 1997.  It is 1/13 wave with a nice smooth figure.  I'll give you the
> paper work on it at the picnic.
>
> Tom Martinez, ASKC Historian
>



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--- In ASKC@egroups.com, "Tom Martinez" <martinez@s...> wrote:
> Thanks Kathy, that gives me a place to start searching.  I don't 
know how
> much material there is during that time period.  The only other 
person I can
> think of that might know is Ron Abbott.  Maybe if he reads this he 
can jump
> in with an answer.

I don't think Bob Sandy is on this group.
I did forward to him your original posting, as he knew some of these 
people and had some added comments. If you do not here from him via 
regular email, you might hit him up for the additional information. 

Thanks Rob.  I've got to get together with Bob and try to get him to talk
to me about the early years.  I'll e-mail him and see if he is going to be
at the picnic.

By the way, I've been trying to use your neat starry background on the
History webpage, but for some of the things I want to do I need to use white
or a solid background.  Do you mind if I don't use the starry background on
the History page?

Tom

  When and where are we supposed to meet and set up Friday night? There's a
  lot of territory out there.
  I plan on being there with a 'scope, or binoculars if the weather looks
  really questionable.
  Thanks,
  Kathy


  Lake Jacomo is Sept 22 at 8:30  

  Take I470 east to Colburn road. exit and go east to Beach drive. turn at the first left into the campgrounds and tell attendant you are looking for the Doan party.

The contact person for the Lake Jacomo group is Laura Doan. After talking with her tonight we anticipate a $300 donation if the star party goes. If the weather looks impossible she can be paged at 816-478-1627

Kathy, how about you being the grand pobah for this outing. Everyone can contact you for the go-no go.

I have Kathy Machin, Randy Rathburn, Rett Alonzi,  Melissa Kirk, and David Hudgins listed. Will each of these people respond to this message to let me know you have it?

David,


I'll also be there, with binoculars.


Roger


At 20:53 00/09/20 -0500, you wrote: 

>>>>

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<fontfamily><param>Times New Roman</param>I have Kathy Machin, Randy
Rathburn, Rett Alonzi, </fontfamily> <fontfamily><param>Times New
Roman</param>Melissa Kirk, and David Hudgins listed. Will each of these
people respond to this message to let me know you have it?

</fontfamily>

</excerpt><<<<<<<<

I got it. 

On Wed, 20 Sep 2000, David Young wrote:

> The contact person for the Lake Jacomo group is Laura Doan. After talking with her tonight we anticipate a $300 donation if the star party goes. If the weather looks impossible she can be paged at 816-478-1627
> 
> Kathy, how about you being the grand pobah for this outing. Everyone can contact you for the go-no go.
> 
> I have Kathy Machin, Randy Rathburn, Rett Alonzi,  Melissa Kirk, and David Hudgins listed. Will each of these people respond to this message to let me know you have it?
> 

-- 

Randy Rathbun
randy@...
http://randyrathbun.org  - Personal stuff
http://quitequitefantastic.org  - Nerd News!

I refuse to participate in HackSDMI.
      See http://www.eff.org/pub/EFF/Newsletters/EFFector/current.html

Got message.
I can be contact person.
I figure we will need to decide by 6:30 pm tomorrow night at the latest on
go or no-go. I would appreciate opinions if the weather is questionable, so
we can reach a consensus.
Kathy

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Young" Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 8:53 PM
Subject: [ASKC] Lake Jacomo


The contact person for the Lake Jacomo group is Laura Doan. After talking
with her tonight we anticipate a $300 donation if the star party goes. If
the weather looks impossible she can be paged at 816-478-1627

Kathy, how about you being the grand pobah for this outing. Everyone can
contact you for the go-no go.

I have Kathy Machin, Randy Rathburn, Rett Alonzi,  Melissa Kirk, and David
Hudgins listed. Will each of these people respond to this message to let me
know you have it?

Kathy Machin wrote:
> 
> 
> Got message.
> I can be contact person.
> I figure we will need to decide by 6:30 pm tomorrow night at the latest on
> go or no-go. I would appreciate opinions if the weather is questionable, so
> we can reach a consensus.
> Kathy
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Young" Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 8:53 PM
> Subject: [ASKC] Lake Jacomo
> 
> The contact person for the Lake Jacomo group is Laura Doan. After talking
> with her tonight we anticipate a $300 donation if the star party goes. If
> the weather looks impossible she can be paged at 816-478-1627
> 
> Kathy, how about you being the grand pobah for this outing. Everyone can
> contact you for the go-no go.
> 
> I have Kathy Machin, Randy Rathburn, Rett Alonzi,  Melissa Kirk, and David
> Hudgins listed. Will each of these people respond to this message to let me
> know you have it?
> 
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> ASKC-unsubscribe@egroups.com


David

Rita and I still plan to attend.  
Familiar with the location.
Joe

I am going to be out and about this afternoon and probably won't have
access to my email (I know - it worries me too!) so if someone could give
me a buzz on my PCS phone, it would be great - 816-213-7298. If I don't
hear anything I will take it that we are going. Of course, if it is
raining cats and dogs, I will know it is off. 

On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, Kathy Machin wrote:
> Got message.
> I can be contact person.
> I figure we will need to decide by 6:30 pm tomorrow night at the latest on
> go or no-go. I would appreciate opinions if the weather is questionable, so
> we can reach a consensus.
> Kathy

Randy Rathbun
randy@...
http://randyrathbun.org  - Personal stuff
http://quitequitefantastic.org  - Nerd News!
I refuse to participate in HackSDMI.
      See http://www.eff.org/pub/EFF/Newsletters/EFFector/current.html

.. of course, this probably only happens for tcsh which uses wait4(),
which is why I never saw it.  Serves people who use that abomination
right 8^)
(Linus, about a patch that fixes getrusage for 1.3.26)

BTW, I had originally told David that I could bring two scopes. Well, that
is out of the question. I just finished loading the car and aside from
being pooped, I don't have any more room! So, the LX-3 8" is what I am
toting. 

On Fri, 22 Sep 2000, Randy Rathbun wrote:
> I am going to be out and about this afternoon and probably won't have
> access to my email (I know - it worries me too!) so if someone could give
> me a buzz on my PCS phone, it would be great - 816-213-7298. If I don't
> hear anything I will take it that we are going. Of course, if it is
> raining cats and dogs, I will know it is off. 
> 

-- 

Randy Rathbun
randy@...
http://randyrathbun.org  - Personal stuff
http://quitequitefantastic.org  - Nerd News!
I refuse to participate in HackSDMI.
      See http://www.eff.org/pub/EFF/Newsletters/EFFector/current.html

Getting on a plane, I told the ticket lady, "Send one of my bags to New
York, send one to Los Angeles, and send one to Miami." She said, "We can't
do that!" I told her, "You did it last week!"
     -Henny Youngman

Folks,

I have a 4.25" f/4 mirror I want to remount in a short (~20") tube.
Needs to be very lightweight....so looking for short section of
cardboard or  thinwall drain pipe or conduit. Anybody have any scrap
like this or know a source without buying a 12' length of pipe?
Many thanks!    Dave

We will call the star party at Lake Jacomo off due to the weather.
With the T-storm warnings and all, (it is storming here north of the river)
it seems best.
Maybe next time.
Kathy

I have bought small sections of tubing at Home Depot. They will cut it
just like you want and you just buy what you want - or at least the one by
me does that. 

On Fri, 22 Sep 2000, David Hudgins wrote:

> cardboard or  thinwall drain pipe or conduit. Anybody have any scrap
> like this or know a source without buying a 12' length of pipe?
> Many thanks!    Dave

-- 

Randy Rathbun
randy@...
http://randyrathbun.org  - Personal stuff
http://quitequitefantastic.org  - Nerd News!
I refuse to participate in HackSDMI.
      See http://www.eff.org/pub/EFF/Newsletters/EFFector/current.html

I was just in London - there is a 6 hour time difference. I'm still
confused. When I go to dinner, I feel sexy. When I go to bed, I feel
hungry.
     -Henny Youngman

  Folks,

  I have a 4.25" f/4 mirror I want to remount in a short (~20") tube.
  Needs to be very lightweight....so looking for short section of
  cardboard or  thinwall drain pipe or conduit. Anybody have any scrap
  like this or know a source without buying a 12' length of pipe?
  Many thanks!    Dave



  I have lots of 5" pvc pipe David but it's more like 1/4" wall. You are welcome to a piece if you want it. I usually throw away anything that short so I'll have to take a look in the yard to see if I have a piece in lieu of whacking a chuck off of a 20 footer.

David, thanks but I'm looking for something very lightweight...not the
schedule 40 stuff. Cardboard or maybe that thin sanitary drain pipe.

Dave



David Young wrote:

>
> [eGroups] My Groups | ASKC Main Page | Start a new group!
>
>      I have lots of 5" pvc pipe David but it's more like 1/4"
>      wall. You are welcome to a piece if you want it. I usually
>      throw away anything that short so I'll have to take a look
>      in the yard to see if I have a piece in lieu of whacking a
>      chuck off of a 20 footer.
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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>
>

For those that were not on my email list....
As the new webmaster for the ASKC webpage, I have upload the new 
version tonight.

They are located at the same site, so you do not need to change 
bookmarks.

Several things:

I appreciate comments - both positive and negative. These are YOUR 
homepages, so let me know your thoughts

To anyone that has access to the webpage site:
1) do NOT change or alter any of the files
2) do NOT upload old versions of the webpage files. Send your .html 
and text files to me directly, and I will encode and upload

Still working on the AWARDS page, and Tom Martinez is still working
on a new and improved history page. These will come soon.

I will also be adding new sections as time permits (CMessenger, 
Photos, etc).

Please spread the word, the new pages are now up...

Does anyone have an e-mail address for Tom Pennington?

Regards,

Gary Pittman
gary_rp@...

I think it was changed when we incorporated as a 501(c) (3).  What do those
papers say?

Jackie

-----Original Message-----
From: Kathy Machin [mailto:kmachin@...]
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 5:56 PM
To: ASKC@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] ASKC History



Tom,
As far as Gil remembers, we changed to the Astronomical Society in 1972, or
so.
I believe it was changed before I joined in 73.
I'll look through a few things and see if I have anything more specific.
Kathy

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Martinez" <martinez@...>


> > I don't know for sure when the name was change to the Astronomical
> Society of Kansas City, but will keep searching.  Does anyone know?
>



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Yes -- And you also have a member that works for one of the largest metal
distribution companies in the world....and can get most anything free or at
least at cost...  How is that for a deal?

Just tell me EXACTLY what you want, and I'll tell you how close I can get to
it.

Jackie Beucher

-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Rathbun [mailto:randy@...]
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 9:33 PM
To: ASKC Club
Subject: Re: [ASKC] 5" ID tube for small scope



I have bought small sections of tubing at Home Depot. They will cut it
just like you want and you just buy what you want - or at least the one by
me does that.

On Fri, 22 Sep 2000, David Hudgins wrote:

> cardboard or  thinwall drain pipe or conduit. Anybody have any scrap
> like this or know a source without buying a 12' length of pipe?
> Many thanks!    Dave

--

Randy Rathbun
randy@...
http://randyrathbun.org  - Personal stuff
http://quitequitefantastic.org  - Nerd News!
I refuse to participate in HackSDMI.
      See http://www.eff.org/pub/EFF/Newsletters/EFFector/current.html

I was just in London - there is a 6 hour time difference. I'm still
confused. When I go to dinner, I feel sexy. When I go to bed, I feel
hungry.
     -Henny Youngman


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Yep.  It is: penningt@...

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary R. Pittman [mailto:gary_rp@...]
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2000 10:09 AM
To: ASKC Group
Subject: [ASKC] ?????



Does anyone have an e-mail address for Tom Pennington?

Regards,

Gary Pittman
gary_rp@...

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Thanks Jackie.

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: Jackie Beucher [mailto:m31@...]
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2000 3:16 PM
To: ASKC@egroups.com
Subject: RE: [ASKC] ?????



Yep.  It is: penningt@...

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary R. Pittman [mailto:gary_rp@...]
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2000 10:09 AM
To: ASKC Group
Subject: [ASKC] ?????



Does anyone have an e-mail address for Tom Pennington?

Regards,

Gary Pittman
gary_rp@...

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--- In ASKC@egroups.com, "Rob Robinson" <webmaster@l...> wrote:
> For those that were not on my email list....
> As the new webmaster for the ASKC webpage, I have upload the new 
> version tonight.

I have received many compliments so far.
I was surprised to see that after 24 hours, we have already had 72 
hits to the page!
There were some corrections I made, that were brought to my attention:
1) history page -> membership number was changed to 300+
2) meeting page -> August was changed to October
3) the membership form didn't work. That was an error on my part 
dealing with a unix thing...(thanks Gary for noting this!). It now 
works.

I have received some excellent pictures for the page, from Dave 
Hudgins and Tom Martinez. I want to have some pictures on EVERY page.
Does anyone have some pictures from meetings? Powell Gardens? Powell 
Observatory? they can send me? Don't send any astrophotos right now - 
that will come in several weeks. I want to enhance on what I have 
right now, before adding new features....

Rob:  Yeah, I think I did that when I was working on MSR part of the
webpage.  I don't have anything to hide, so its no big deal, but I'll see
about fixing it so it looks more professional.  I haven't done anything to
my part of the site in a long time.

By the way, I noticed the hits on the site may not be all that real.  I
noticed the number increases every time I go to a different section and come
back to the main page everytime.

Tom

Thanks Jackie, I'll check on that.

Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: Jackie Beucher [mailto:m31@...]

I think it was changed when we incorporated as a 501(c) (3).  What do those
papers say?

Jackie

I recently inherited a medium format camera and have been playing with the
idea of doing some astrophotography with it.  Most lately I have been using
35mm and have been getting some promising results.  I know this is a hobby
that does take lots of patience and practice. I've shot some daylight rolls
and have found that I really like the size of the negative for blowing up
shots.  First of all, if anyone here is in the know, what would be the best
type of astro film for the camera.  And secondly, I want to do wide field
photography first but is the 30 inch at the observatory equiped to take long
timed astrophotos?  I figure I probably would need to make or find an
adapter to mate up to the telescope but that shouldn't be much of a problem.

My camera is one of those Russian knock off Kiev 88's.  It has mirror lock
up and seems to work pretty good so far in the daylight.  I've run about 10
rolls of Fuji Pro 160 through it so far with no troubles.  Any hints or
ideas would be greatly appreicated.

Nick Reuss and Dick Trent spent a few hours Saturday night and figured out the problems with the 30" and restored some missing lines of code. Slewing speed #2 is now functioning again.

Hip hip hooray to Nick and Dick!

How many of you have seen the naked eye sunspot?

Its surprising how far the spot has moved since last Friday.  It is now past
the sun's meridian and is a bit smaller.

This spot is as large as a dozen or so Earths and the third largest sunspot
in recorded history.

Take a look, all you need is a solar filter and your own eyes.  If you don't
have a solar filter, go out and buy a #13 or #14  welder's glass (between $5
and $10 dollars).  It actually works better for naked eye viewing because
you don't get the glare of the shiny material a solar filter is made from.
Please don't use anything else.  You could place a permenant spot in your
eyes that is worse than nay floaters you can imagine.

Tom

I have been looking naked eye (through solar filters) and through 
scopes.  Gil and I got to see this through some large refractors at 
Astrofest.  This is definitely the most intricate sunspot I have ever 
seen.  Naked eye, it is a big blemish on the sun.  Through a scope with any 
magnification at all - it's an incredibly complex structure.

I strongly urge everybody to take an opportunity to look at this beast.  It 
is white-light solar observing at its best!

Have fun - and be safe.

Bob

At 17:35 9/25/00 -0500, you wrote:
>
>How many of you have seen the naked eye sunspot?
>
>Its surprising how far the spot has moved since last Friday.  It is now past
>the sun's meridian and is a bit smaller.
>
>This spot is as large as a dozen or so Earths and the third largest sunspot
>in recorded history.
>
>Take a look, all you need is a solar filter and your own eyes.  If you don't
>have a solar filter, go out and buy a #13 or #14  welder's glass (between $5
>and $10 dollars).  It actually works better for naked eye viewing because
>you don't get the glare of the shiny material a solar filter is made from.
>Please don't use anything else.  You could place a permenant spot in your
>eyes that is worse than nay floaters you can imagine.
>
>Tom
>
>
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there are some beautiful images up at
http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/get_soho_images?summary+000924 -
and you don't even need a solar filter to look at them! :)


On Mon, 25 Sep 2000, Robert Haler wrote:
> I strongly urge everybody to take an opportunity to look at this beast.  It 
> is white-light solar observing at its best!
> >Please don't use anything else.  You could place a permenant spot in your
> >eyes that is worse than nay floaters you can imagine.
> >
> >Tom
> >
> >
> >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 

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stand?" The doctor says "That's what puzzles me!"
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Philistine!


At 19:16 9/25/00 -0500, you wrote:
>there are some beautiful images up at
>http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/get_soho_images?summary+000924 -
>and you don't even need a solar filter to look at them! :)

Tom --

I got an e-mail last week -- some solar alert thing I subscribe to -- and
showed the sunspot to everyone at work last week.  They were awestruck....
Yes, it is totally... awesome!  Jackie

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Martinez [mailto:martinez@...]
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 5:35 PM
To: ASKC@egroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Sun



How many of you have seen the naked eye sunspot?

Its surprising how far the spot has moved since last Friday.  It is now past
the sun's meridian and is a bit smaller.

This spot is as large as a dozen or so Earths and the third largest sunspot
in recorded history.

Take a look, all you need is a solar filter and your own eyes.  If you don't
have a solar filter, go out and buy a #13 or #14  welder's glass (between $5
and $10 dollars).  It actually works better for naked eye viewing because
you don't get the glare of the shiny material a solar filter is made from.
Please don't use anything else.  You could place a permenant spot in your
eyes that is worse than nay floaters you can imagine.

Tom


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I have star parties booked for scout groups on Oct 6 and Oct 8. Roger Gruenke has the duty that week but he agreed to the Oct 8 before the Oct 6 came in. I need a volunteer for the Friday, Oct 6 night.

Walt,
I just logged on the ASKC web page for the first time in a while.  Looking real
good!!

Carroll Iorg

On 25 Sep 2000 16:15:10 -0000, you wrote:

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>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>There are 9 messages in this issue.
>
>Topics in this digest:
>
>      1. ?????
>           From: "Gary R. Pittman" <gary_rp@...>
>      2. RE: ASKC History
>           From: "Jackie Beucher" <m31@...t>
>      3. RE: 5" ID tube for small scope
>           From: "Jackie Beucher" <m31@...>
>      4. RE: ?????
>           From: "Jackie Beucher" <m31@...>
>      5. RE: ?????
>           From: "Gary R. Pittman" <gary_rp@...>
>      6. Re: NEW ASKC WEBPAGE
>           From: "Rob Robinson" <webmaster@...>
>      7. RE: Re: NEW ASKC WEBPAGE
>           From: "Tom Martinez" <martinez@...>
>      8. RE: ASKC History
>           From: "Tom Martinez" <martinez@...>
>      9. Medium Format Astrophotography
>           From: "Jeffrey Ohmes" <johmes@...>
>
>
>________________________________________________________________________
>________________________________________________________________________
>
>Message: 1
>   Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 10:09:01 -0500
>   From: "Gary R. Pittman" <gary_rp@...>
>Subject: ?????
>
>Does anyone have an e-mail address for Tom Pennington?
>
>Regards,
>
>Gary Pittman
>gary_rp@...t
>
>
>________________________________________________________________________
>________________________________________________________________________
>
>Message: 2
>   Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 14:52:53 -0500
>   From: "Jackie Beucher" <m31@...>
>Subject: RE: ASKC History
>
>I think it was changed when we incorporated as a 501(c) (3).  What do those
>papers say?
>
>Jackie
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Kathy Machin [mailto:kmachin@kc.rr.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 5:56 PM
>To: ASKC@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [ASKC] ASKC History
>
>
>
>Tom,
>As far as Gil remembers, we changed to the Astronomical Society in 1972, or
>so.
>I believe it was changed before I joined in 73.
>I'll look through a few things and see if I have anything more specific.
>Kathy
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Tom Martinez" <martinez@...>
>
>
>> > I don't know for sure when the name was change to the Astronomical
>> Society of Kansas City, but will keep searching.  Does anyone know?
>>
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 3
>   Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 15:13:06 -0500
>   From: "Jackie Beucher" <m31@...>
>Subject: RE: 5" ID tube for small scope
>
>Yes -- And you also have a member that works for one of the largest metal
>distribution companies in the world....and can get most anything free or at
>least at cost...  How is that for a deal?
>
>Just tell me EXACTLY what you want, and I'll tell you how close I can get to
>it.
>
>Jackie Beucher
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Randy Rathbun [mailto:randy@...]
>Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 9:33 PM
>To: ASKC Club
>Subject: Re: [ASKC] 5" ID tube for small scope
>
>
>
>I have bought small sections of tubing at Home Depot. They will cut it
>just like you want and you just buy what you want - or at least the one by
>me does that.
>
>On Fri, 22 Sep 2000, David Hudgins wrote:
>
>> cardboard or  thinwall drain pipe or conduit. Anybody have any scrap
>> like this or know a source without buying a 12' length of pipe?
>> Many thanks!    Dave

Hi Folks!

Wow, what a sunspot! Here's a small shot I did Monday with my Celestron Nexstar 5
at f//10, 200ASA film, 1/125/sec, Orion filter.

is this a great hobby or what??!!    Dave

Robert Haler wrote:

>
> I have been looking naked eye (through solar filters) and through
> scopes.  Gil and I got to see this through some large refractors at
> Astrofest.  This is definitely the most intricate sunspot I have ever
> seen.  Naked eye, it is a big blemish on the sun.  Through a scope with any
> magnification at all - it's an incredibly complex structure.
>
> I strongly urge everybody to take an opportunity to look at this beast.  It
> is white-light solar observing at its best!
>
> Have fun - and be safe.
>
> Bob
>
> At 17:35 9/25/00 -0500, you wrote:
> >
> >How many of you have seen the naked eye sunspot?
> >
> >Its surprising how far the spot has moved since last Friday.  It is now past
> >the sun's meridian and is a bit smaller.

Nice image David. Thanks.

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: David Hudgins [mailto:dhudgins@...]
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 9:41 AM
To: ASKC@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Sunspot Photo


Hi Folks!

Wow, what a sunspot! Here's a small shot I did Monday with my Celestron
Nexstar 5
at f//10, 200ASA film, 1/125/sec, Orion filter.

is this a great hobby or what??!!    Dave

Robert Haler wrote:

>
> I have been looking naked eye (through solar filters) and through
> scopes.  Gil and I got to see this through some large refractors at
> Astrofest.  This is definitely the most intricate sunspot I have ever
> seen.  Naked eye, it is a big blemish on the sun.  Through a scope with
any
> magnification at all - it's an incredibly complex structure.
>
> I strongly urge everybody to take an opportunity to look at this beast.
It
> is white-light solar observing at its best!
>
> Have fun - and be safe.
>
> Bob
>
> At 17:35 9/25/00 -0500, you wrote:
> >
> >How many of you have seen the naked eye sunspot?
> >
> >Its surprising how far the spot has moved since last Friday.  It is now
past
> >the sun's meridian and is a bit smaller.


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Great shot, David!  Its nice to have a pic of the third largest sunspot in
history.

Tom

Folks, somehow I had the luck of being assigned duty week at Powell over
the GPSP weekend. One of the club members has reserved Powell for their
use, but needs a keyholder to get them in (and run the scope I assume).
I cannot do it.

Can anybody help this club member who is not going to GPSP help this
club member out Friday night?

Dave

Great shot Dave!

Hello, everyone!

You may get this twice, because I'm sending to two groups.... so I apologize
if you get this twice...

I am without 3-4 slide shows that you have checked out.  I need them back no
later than Monday, October 2nd!!!  You know who you are....

We are still missing one of the summer constellation slide sets that was
"borrowed" from the observatory over a year ago.  PLEASE CHECK AROUND YOUR
HOME OFFICES & ASTRONOMY STUFF FOR SLIDES.

I appreciate your help!  There are many more programs to be given this fall,
and other members need slides that you have borrowed.  Please get them back
to me, OK???

Thanks,

Jackie

David Young wrote:
> 
> I have star parties booked for scout groups on Oct 6 and Oct 8. Roger
> Gruenke has the duty that week but he agreed to the Oct 8 before the
> Oct 6 came in. I need a volunteer for the Friday, Oct 6 night.
> 
>                       eGroups Sponsor
> 
> 
>David,d

Do you have anybody for the party?  I can be there.

Joe

I can open and help run stuff if you like. Dick

-----Original Message-----
From:	Joseph S. Wright [mailto:bsa87joe@...]
Sent:	Tuesday, October 03, 2000 5:15 PM
To:	ASKC@egroups.com
Subject:	Re: [ASKC] Star Party

David Young wrote:
> 
> I have star parties booked for scout groups on Oct 6 and Oct 8. Roger
> Gruenke has the duty that week but he agreed to the Oct 8 before the
> Oct 6 came in. I need a volunteer for the Friday, Oct 6 night.
> 
>                       eGroups Sponsor
> 
> 
>David,d

Do you have anybody for the party?  I can be there.

Joe

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Plan on the 6th Dick. I'll forward the contact info later.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: dtrent 
  To: ASKC@egroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 8:48 AM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] Star Party


  I can open and help run stuff if you like. Dick

  -----Original Message-----
  From:      Joseph S. Wright [mailto:bsa87joe@...]
  Sent:      Tuesday, October 03, 2000 5:15 PM
  To:      ASKC@egroups.com
  Subject:      Re: [ASKC] Star Party

  David Young wrote:
  > 
  > I have star parties booked for scout groups on Oct 6 and Oct 8. Roger
  > Gruenke has the duty that week but he agreed to the Oct 8 before the
  > Oct 6 came in. I need a volunteer for the Friday, Oct 6 night.
  > 
  >                       eGroups Sponsor
  > 
  > 
  >David,d

  Do you have anybody for the party?  I can be there.

  Joe

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  The star party at Powell on Oct 6 just cancelled. Thanks Dick and Joe for volunteering but you're off the hook this time ;-)

Hi Folks!

For those of you with an interest, the 31st Annual  Mid-America Regional
Astrophysics Conference will be held Friday and Saturday Oct 13 and 14
at Linda Hall Library. They invite advanced amateurs too. I think there
is a small registration fee. Main topic seems to be quasars this year.
See announcement at...

http://www.phsx.ukans.edu/~shawl/marac/announcement.html

Hope to see you! Dave

Thanks for the information David.

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: David Hudgins [mailto:dhudgins@...]
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 10:41 AM
To: ASKC Club
Subject: [ASKC] Local Astrophysics Conference Oct 13-14


Hi Folks!

For those of you with an interest, the 31st Annual  Mid-America Regional
Astrophysics Conference will be held Friday and Saturday Oct 13 and 14
at Linda Hall Library. They invite advanced amateurs too. I think there
is a small registration fee. Main topic seems to be quasars this year.
See announcement at...

http://www.phsx.ukans.edu/~shawl/marac/announcement.html

Hope to see you! Dave




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David,
I got my mail this am and then went to work on cars and other stuff and
couldn't get home to check email.  I opened the observatory abut 19:00 and
then closed it when I couldn't raise anyone nor did I know who I was
supposed to meet there.  I left at 20:30 even though the sky was clearing up
with the moon and stars visible and since it seemed pretty clear no one was
going to show up.  I tried to call you but you were out and no one else for
me to call.  I guess we need to have a better system of notification.  This
is the second time I was left there with no timely notification.  I wonder
if it would be possible for us to set up a number (schedule msg) that we
could call to see if an event was still on or cancelled.
Oh well maybe next time.  ha...   any ideas?
Dick Trentman   816-213-5036
  -----Original Message-----
  From: David Young [mailto:dyoung@...]
  Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 9:45 AM
  To: ASKC@egroups.com
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] Star Party


    The star party at Powell on Oct 6 just cancelled. Thanks Dick and Joe
for volunteering but you're off the hook this time ;-)

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  Subject: RE: [ASKC] Star Party


  David,
  I got my mail this am and then went to work on cars and other stuff and couldn't get home to check email.  I opened the observatory abut 19:00 and then closed it when I couldn't raise anyone nor did I know who I was supposed to meet there.  I left at 20:30 even though the sky was clearing up with the moon and stars visible and since it seemed pretty clear no one was going to show up.  I tried to call you but you were out and no one else for me to call.  I guess we need to have a better system of notification.  This is the second time I was left there with no timely notification.  I wonder if it would be possible for us to set up a number (schedule msg) that we could call to see if an event was still on or cancelled.  
  Oh well maybe next time.  ha...   any ideas?
  Dick Trentman   816-213-5036 
    -----Original Message-----
    From: David Young [mailto:dyoung@...]
    Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 9:45 AM
    To: ASKC@egroups.com
    Subject: Re: [ASKC] Star Party


      The star party at Powell on Oct 6 just cancelled. Thanks Dick and Joe for volunteering but you're off the hook this time ;-)

      Sorry about that!
      I wish I had the magic answer Dick! It's a problem when the people cancel late like this gal did. A message line would involve the cost of another phone line. I use my home telephone line now which is also used for business. I changed my answering machine message to remove reference to Young Drilling Company. That is a source of minor confusion for callers trying to reach ASKC since the message doesn't mention ASKC. I chose not to confuse my business callers by mentioning ASKC since they are confused enough by no mention of Young Drilling Comany. When I got the cancellation I telephoned one time and when I didn't get an answer I sent you and email. That was the way you responded to volunteer in the first place and I incorrectly assumed you checked your e-mail daily. E-mail posted to the ASKC group seems to me to be the best way to comunicate since it circumvents missed phone calls. I check it every morning and evening. If someone can't reach me by phone they can either check the e-mail themselves or call another member with e-mail access. With so many of us on line someone could surly be reached to check for updates. The other option is to install a dedicated phone line for the ASKC reservations like Landreth and Probert had. When I did the reservations when I was observatory director and then again when David Brackey didn't want to do it anymore, I donated a dedicated phone line. I am not going to donate a phone line again. If you have a good alternate solution for the problem please feel free to suggest it. Perhaps the board would be willing to spring for the phone line and then the method you suggested above would be perfect. The person handling the reservation line would just add a little blurb to the outgoing message commenting on the status of a star party. Anyone could call in from any phone and get the latest skinny. Please keep thinking and pass along any ideas. 

      Same goes for everyone reading this message. Please pass along your ideas and comments.

Thanks David,
I know it is a problem and can only imagine what you and others have gone
through in the past.  I would like for you or whoever else is reading this
to please make a note of my cell phone number.  It is the best way I know of
reaching me and voice mail is there too unless Sprint decides to not send it
through as it has been known to do part of the time.  That number is
816-213-5036. I keep it on all the time so If I am in the area I will get
(your message) eventually.  The email contact is great but for short notice
it is almost useless.  My home phone is actually the worst method as there
are too many in the house and I usually will not get any messages that way.

I used that time (Last night) to wire up the control switch for the red
floor lights in the dome.  The switch (rotary) is in the box above the
telescope computer.  It has 4 different levels of brightness and an off
position. This seems to be a more acceptable way of lighting the floor while
people are moving around the (30") in the dark.  This light is powered all
the time so it can be used even while the master power control is off in the
dome.

It is too bad they had to cancel as it turned out to be a good viewing night
after 8:30.  I do home the board will approve a dedicated reservation line.
It would be a good alternative contact method.

Thanks.  Dick T
  -----Original Message-----
  From: David Young [mailto:dyoung@...]
  Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2000 7:58 AM
  To: ASKC@egroups.com
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] Star Party


    Subject: RE: [ASKC] Star Party


    David,
    I got my mail this am and then went to work on cars and other stuff and
couldn't get home to check email.  I opened the observatory abut 19:00 and
then closed it when I couldn't raise anyone nor did I know who I was
supposed to meet there.  I left at 20:30 even though the sky was clearing up
with the moon and stars visible and since it seemed pretty clear no one was
going to show up.  I tried to call you but you were out and no one else for
me to call.  I guess we need to have a better system of notification.  This
is the second time I was left there with no timely notification.  I wonder
if it would be possible for us to set up a number (schedule msg) that we
could call to see if an event was still on or cancelled.
    Oh well maybe next time.  ha...   any ideas?
    Dick Trentman   816-213-5036
      -----Original Message-----
      From: David Young [mailto:dyoung@...]
      Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 9:45 AM
      To: ASKC@egroups.com
      Subject: Re: [ASKC] Star Party


        The star party at Powell on Oct 6 just cancelled. Thanks Dick and
Joe for volunteering but you're off the hook this time ;-)

        Sorry about that!
        I wish I had the magic answer Dick! It's a problem when the people
cancel late like this gal did. A message line would involve the cost of
another phone line. I use my home telephone line now which is also used for
business. I changed my answering machine message to remove reference to
Young Drilling Company. That is a source of minor confusion for callers
trying to reach ASKC since the message doesn't mention ASKC. I chose not to
confuse my business callers by mentioning ASKC since they are confused
enough by no mention of Young Drilling Comany. When I got the cancellation I
telephoned one time and when I didn't get an answer I sent you and email.
That was the way you responded to volunteer in the first place and I
incorrectly assumed you checked your e-mail daily. E-mail posted to the ASKC
group seems to me to be the best way to comunicate since it circumvents
missed phone calls. I check it every morning and evening. If someone can't
reach me by phone they can either check the e-mail themselves or call
another member with e-mail access. With so many of us on line someone could
surly be reached to check for updates. The other option is to install a
dedicated phone line for the ASKC reservations like Landreth and Probert
had. When I did the reservations when I was observatory director and then
again when David Brackey didn't want to do it anymore, I donated a dedicated
phone line. I am not going to donate a phone line again. If you have a good
alternate solution for the problem please feel free to suggest it. Perhaps
the board would be willing to spring for the phone line and then the method
you suggested above would be perfect. The person handling the reservation
line would just add a little blurb to the outgoing message commenting on the
status of a star party. Anyone could call in from any phone and get the
latest skinny. Please keep thinking and pass along any ideas.

        Same goes for everyone reading this message. Please pass along your
ideas and comments.


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What happened the the ASKC reservation line??  Don't we still have it?

jackie

    -----Original Message-----
    From: David Young [mailto:dyoung@...]
    Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2000 7:58 AM
    To: ASKC@egroups.com
    Subject: Re: [ASKC] Star Party


        Subject: RE: [ASKC] Star Party


        David,
        I got my mail this am and then went to work on cars and other stuff
and couldn't get home to check email.  I opened the observatory abut 19:00
and then closed it when I couldn't raise anyone nor did I know who I was
supposed to meet there.  I left at 20:30 even though the sky was clearing up
with the moon and stars visible and since it seemed pretty clear no one was
going to show up.  I tried to call you but you were out and no one else for
me to call.  I guess we need to have a better system of notification.  This
is the second time I was left there with no timely notification.  I wonder
if it would be possible for us to set up a number (schedule msg) that we
could call to see if an event was still on or cancelled.
        Oh well maybe next time.  ha...   any ideas?
        Dick Trentman   816-213-5036
            -----Original Message-----
            From: David Young [mailto:dyoung@...]
            Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 9:45 AM
            To: ASKC@egroups.com
            Subject: Re: [ASKC] Star Party


                The star party at Powell on Oct 6 just cancelled. Thanks
Dick and Joe for volunteering but you're off the hook this time ;-)

                Sorry about that!
                I wish I had the magic answer Dick! It's a problem when the
people cancel late like this gal did. A message line would involve the cost
of another phone line. I use my home telephone line now which is also used
for business. I changed my answering machine message to remove reference to
Young Drilling Company. That is a source of minor confusion for callers
trying to reach ASKC since the message doesn't mention ASKC. I chose not to
confuse my business callers by mentioning ASKC since they are confused
enough by no mention of Young Drilling Comany. When I got the cancellation I
telephoned one time and when I didn't get an answer I sent you and email.
That was the way you responded to volunteer in the first place and I
incorrectly assumed you checked your e-mail daily. E-mail posted to the ASKC
group seems to me to be the best way to comunicate since it circumvents
missed phone calls. I check it every morning and evening. If someone can't
reach me by phone they can either check the e-mail themselves or call
another member with e-mail access. With so many of us on line someone could
surly be reached to check for updates. The other option is to install a
dedicated phone line for the ASKC reservations like Landreth and Probert
had. When I did the reservations when I was observatory director and then
again when David Brackey didn't want to do it anymore, I donated a dedicated
phone line. I am not going to donate a phone line again. If you have a good
alternate solution for the problem please feel free to suggest it. Perhaps
the board would be willing to spring for the phone line and then the method
you suggested above would be perfect. The person handling the reservation
line would just add a little blurb to the outgoing message commenting on the
status of a star party. Anyone could call in from any phone and get the
latest skinny. Please keep thinking and pass along any ideas.

                Same goes for everyone reading this message. Please pass
along your ideas and comments.


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Hi All,

What about the web page that Dave Probert designed?

Sincerely,
Richard Fredrick


--- In ASKC@egroups.com, "David Young" <dyoung@s...> wrote:
>   Subject: RE: [ASKC] Star Party
> 
> 
>   David,
>   I got my mail this am and then went to work on cars and other 
stuff and couldn't get home to check email.  I opened the observatory 
abut 19:00 and then closed it when I couldn't raise anyone nor did I 
know who I was supposed to meet there.  I left at 20:30 even though 
the sky was clearing up with the moon and stars visible and since it 
seemed pretty clear no one was going to show up.  I tried to call you 
but you were out and no one else for me to call.  I guess we need to 
have a better system of notification.  This is the second time I was 
left there with no timely notification.  I wonder if it would be 
possible for us to set up a number (schedule msg) that we could call 
to see if an event was still on or cancelled.  
>   Oh well maybe next time.  ha...   any ideas?
>   Dick Trentman   816-213-5036 
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: David Young [mailto:dyoung@s...]
>     Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 9:45 AM
>     To: ASKC@egroups.com
>     Subject: Re: [ASKC] Star Party
> 
> 
>       The star party at Powell on Oct 6 just cancelled. Thanks Dick 
and Joe for volunteering but you're off the hook this time ;-)
> 
>       Sorry about that!
>       I wish I had the magic answer Dick! It's a problem when the 
people cancel late like this gal did. A message line would involve
the 
cost of another phone line. I use my home telephone line now which is 
also used for business. I changed my answering machine message to 
remove reference to Young Drilling Company. That is a source of minor 
confusion for callers trying to reach ASKC since the message doesn't 
mention ASKC. I chose not to confuse my business callers by
mentioning 
ASKC since they are confused enough by no mention of Young Drilling 
Comany. When I got the cancellation I telephoned one time and when I 
didn't get an answer I sent you and email. That was the way you 
responded to volunteer in the first place and I incorrectly assumed 
you checked your e-mail daily. E-mail posted to the ASKC group seems 
to me to be the best way to comunicate since it circumvents missed 
phone calls. I check it every morning and evening. If someone can't 
reach me by phone they can either check the e-mail themselves or call 
another member with e-mail access. With so many of us on line someone 
could surly be reached to check for updates. The other option is to 
install a dedicated phone line for the ASKC reservations like
Landreth 
and Probert had. When I did the reservations when I was observatory 
director and then again when David Brackey didn't want to do it 
anymore, I donated a dedicated phone line. I am not going to donate a 
phone line again. If you have a good alternate solution for the 
problem please feel free to suggest it. Perhaps the board would be 
willing to spring for the phone line and then the method you
suggested 
above would be perfect. The person handling the reservation line
would 
just add a little blurb to the outgoing message commenting on the 
status of a star party. Anyone could call in from any phone and get 
the latest skinny. Please keep thinking and pass along any ideas. 
> 
>       Same goes for everyone reading this message. Please pass
along 
your ideas and comments.

volunteers needed
We have two requests that I know of for Friday the 13th.

The first was from Louisburg Parks and the Mayor. They asked Scott Kranz,
and later me, if we could have someone at the observatory. There will be Boy
Scouts camping near the Observatory both the 13th and 14th.
I will be willing to help on the 13th and Mike Cofer had volunteered as
well. The 14th is one of our 'open every Saturday Night' nights so someone
is scheduled to be there already.
I do not know if this Friday night ever made it to the formal schedule.

Now, we have another request for the 13th. This is very short notice.
See the e-mail below. (Note-- I think Bill Woods mentioned that Candy
Marshall is the wife of Lou Marshall who gave several NASA type talks at
ASKC meetings)
Please let David Young and/or me or the entire ASKC e-group know if you can
help. Or if you think we should forget it.
Kathy

>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: William D. Woods
> To: askc@egroups.com
> Cc: Gil Machin ; Carrol Iorg ; David Young
> Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2000 4:09 AM
> Subject: request for telescope, Friday, October 13, 2000, from 7:30 PM
until
> 8:30 PM
>
>
> Candy Marshall has requested some ASKC members bring telescopes to Blue
> Springs Community Center for an Evening Science
> Work Shop.  The community center is near Blue Springs High School, 23rd
> Street, off off the outer road (south side) of I-70 between Woods Chapel
> Road and Highway 7.  She will be conducting a workshop for teachers from
> Hickman Mills School District
> and Blue Springs School District. She expects about 100 to 150 (all
adults).
> She realizes that October 13, is a full moon and seeing stars is unlikely.
> I will try to get a better address.
>
> Bill Woods
>

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jackie Beucher 
  To: ASKC@egroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2000 12:05 PM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] Star Party


  What happened the the ASKC reservation line??  Don't we still have it? 
   
  The ASKC reservation line exists as a disembodied number at a central switch office. The number is remotely call forwarded to whomever has agreed to take care of it. A dedicated phone line was installed at David Brackey's, Tim Landreth's and David Probert's home each time the reservation line person changed. I haven't checked lately but I think it's something like $130 to install and $30-$50 per month depending on what kind of line the phone company decides it is. I think we could get away with the lower rate non commercial line since we pay commercial rates on the "line without a home". It was done this way to preserve the reservation line phone number instead of changing it every time the reservation person changed.

  What about the web page that Dave Probert designed?

  I know little or nothing about web page designs and workings. If someone has access to the web page it seems to me they have access to askc@egroups. Wouldn't posting information to the web page in addition to just sending an e-mail to the askc@egroups be more than double work and fiddling around with no significant advantage as far as last minute changes go? Maybe it's easy to put the information up on the page and do the editing. That would let everyone who looked at it know about a date but I'd still have to contact the duty person since I would have no way of knowing who looked at it. I'll figure it out and do the web page if everyone thinks it would be the solution or just plain handy. It would be a help for members thinking about going down but unsure if Powell is already scheduled. Maybe that is reason enough to take the extra time to do the web page. I could also post all the information to egroups and have some smart person transfer the information to the web page? The egroup would still be the best place for last minute updates because it's so darn easy. The web page wouldn't necessarly have the latest info since I think it probably takes a little fiddling to update.

  Below is a complete list of all reservations.
  Oct 8       Diane Carrol 7:00                    Roger Gruenke / Richard Fredrick    
  Oct 13    scouts at Lewis Young Park     Kath Machin / Linda Copeland
  Oct 14    scouts at Lewis Young Park    
  Oct 25    cub scouts  Brooker                    Vic Winter / Tom Boerner
  Oct 27    Confederate Memorial Off Site     Shelly Granger / Melissa Kirk / Joe Alburty

  Nov 4      Toby Cooper                                     Rett Alonzi / Bill Thomson
  Nov 18    cub scouts                                  David Brackey / Tony Kostusik

  Dec 1        Girl Scouts                                no one assigned 

  This is the entire reservation list as of right now. If you think you have the Observatory reserved, I don't know it at the moment so you'd better call or email me. 

Kathy & Gill,

Just so you guys know whats going on... Both myself and Walt Robinson have
resigned from Scopeville, effective immediately. Its a long story but I'm
sure you know many of the reasons already.... (Nederman, Wayne Burnett, Pool
& company) Will be glad to fill you in the next time we get together.

vic


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"May starlight always fall on your path."

David,
 I can update the web page that I made. Just send me an email when a 
change needs to be made. Let me know if want me to do this.

Dave Probert

--- In ASKC@egroups.com, "David Young" <dyoung@s...> wrote:
>   What about the web page that Dave Probert designed?
> 
>   I know little or nothing about web page designs and workings. If 
someone has access to the web page it seems to me they have access to 
askc@egroups. Wouldn't posting information to the web page in
addition 
to just sending an e-mail to the askc@egroups be more than double
work 
and fiddling around with no significant advantage as far as last 
minute changes go? Maybe it's easy to put the information up on the 
page and do the editing. That would let everyone who looked at it
know 
about a date but I'd still have to contact the duty person since I 
would have no way of knowing who looked at it. I'll figure it out and 
do the web page if everyone thinks it would be the solution or just 
plain handy. It would be a help for members thinking about going down 
but unsure if Powell is already scheduled. Maybe that is reason
enough 
to take the extra time to do the web page. I could also post all the 
information to egroups and have some smart person transfer the 
information to the web page? The egroup would still be the best place 
for last minute updates because it's so darn easy. The web page 
wouldn't necessarly have the latest info since I think it probably 
takes a little fiddling to update.
> 
>   Below is a complete list of all reservations.
>   Oct 8       Diane Carrol 7:00                    Roger Gruenke / 

Richard Fredrick    
>   Oct 13    scouts at Lewis Young Park     Kath Machin / Linda 
Copeland
>   Oct 14    scouts at Lewis Young Park    
>   Oct 25    cub scouts  Brooker                    Vic Winter / Tom 
Boerner
>   Oct 27    Confederate Memorial Off Site     Shelly Granger / 
Melissa Kirk / Joe Alburty
> 
>   Nov 4      Toby Cooper                                     Rett 
Alonzi / Bill Thomson
>   Nov 18    cub scouts                                  David 
Brackey / Tony Kostusik
> 
>   Dec 1        Girl Scouts                                no one 
assigned 
> 
>   This is the entire reservation list as of right now. If you think 
you have the Observatory reserved, I don't know it at the moment so 
you'd better call or email me.

I need some tractor feed computer paper. Does anyone know a source where I
can purchase the old style paper?

Regards,

Gary Pittman
gary_rp@...

I think we have some in the basement... I'll look and let you know if I can
find it.  It was a whole case just opened.

Do you need a specific width.  Just regular size or the 14" green/white
stripe?

jen

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"May starlight always fall on your path."
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary R. Pittman <gary_rp@...>
To: ASKC Group <ASKC@egroups.com>
Date: Sunday, October 08, 2000 7:47 PM
Subject: [ASKC] Computer paper


>I need some tractor feed computer paper. Does anyone know a source where I
>can purchase the old style paper?
>
>Regards,
>
>Gary Pittman
>gary_rp@...
>
>
>To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>ASKC-unsubscribe@egroups.com
>
>
>

I need just regular size paper (white). My daughter has my old printer and
all it uses is tractor feed. If you can find it and have no use for it I'll
be happy to buy it from you.

Thanks Jen.

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: Vic & Jen Winter, ICSTARS Inc. [mailto:webmaster@...]
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 8:24 PM
To: ASKC@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Computer paper


I think we have some in the basement... I'll look and let you know if I can
find it.  It was a whole case just opened.

Do you need a specific width.  Just regular size or the 14" green/white
stripe?

jen

ICSTARS Astronomy -
http://www.icstars.com
Astronomical Tours -
http://www.astronomicaltours.net
Editors of the Astronomical League Reflector -
http://www.astroleague.org
"May starlight always fall on your path."
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary R. Pittman <gary_rp@...>
To: ASKC Group <ASKC@egroups.com>
Date: Sunday, October 08, 2000 7:47 PM
Subject: [ASKC] Computer paper


>I need some tractor feed computer paper. Does anyone know a source where I
>can purchase the old style paper?
>
>Regards,
>
>Gary Pittman
>gary_rp@...
>
>
>To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>ASKC-unsubscribe@egroups.com
>
>
>


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Gary,
I have some paper. I have been wondering how to get rid of it.
If I remember, I will bring it to board meeting Thursday night.
Kathy

----- Original Message -----
> I need some tractor feed computer paper. Does anyone know a source where I
> can purchase the old style paper?
>
> Regards,
>
> Gary Pittman
> gary_rp@...

Gary,
What size do you need.  Our office get large paper from R & M Office supply.
tim Kristl

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Dave Probert 
  To: ASKC@egroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 4:56 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] Re: Star Party


  David,
  I can update the web page that I made. Just send me an email when a 
  change needs to be made. Let me know if want me to do this.


  That would be great David. You can use the data from my message and add things as I post them to the egroup.

Gary,

I've seen it on the shelves at Office Depot.  If they don't
have it displayed, they can probably get it from their
catalog warehouse.

There are still a lot of commercial users of this kind of
paper, especially the multi-part versions.

Roger





At 19:45 00/10/08 -0500, you wrote:
>I need some tractor feed computer paper. Does anyone know a source where I
>can purchase the old style paper?
>
>Regards,
>
>Gary Pittman
>gary_rp@...
>
>
>To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>ASKC-unsubscribe@egroups.com
>
>
>
>
>

At 09:27 00/10/07 -0500, Dick Trentman wrote: 

>>>>

<excerpt>  

I used that time (Last night) to wire up the control switch for the red
floor lights in the dome.  The switch (rotary) is in the box above the
telescope computer.  It has 4 different levels of brightness and an off
position. This seems to be a more acceptable way of lighting the floor
while people are moving around the (30") in the dark.  This light is
powered all the time so it can be used even while the master power
control is off in the dome.

  

</excerpt><<<<<<<<


Dick,


Thanks for doing this.  It really helps see where stuff is without

having to have the upper lights shining brightly.  We used it last

night with the Girl Scout group.  (Now if I could just get someone

to paint the outside of the telescope body with a color that reflects

this light, like the scopes in all the professional observatories,

I wouldn't keep bumping into it in the dark...).


Roger

Yep. They still have it.  I think I paid like $10 for a 2500 sheet case
about a month ago for the cheapy recycled "I don't care what it looks
like, I just need to print it!" paper. YMMV however. 

On Mon, 9 Oct 2000, Roger A. Gruenke wrote:

> Gary,
> 
> I've seen it on the shelves at Office Depot.  If they don't
> have it displayed, they can probably get it from their
> catalog warehouse.
> 
> There are still a lot of commercial users of this kind of
> paper, especially the multi-part versions.
> 
> Roger

-- 

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Good idea,
How about a small strip of stick on "glow in the dark" tape?   Possibly the
ladder/stairs could use a little of the tape.  Nick says the lights might
show up inside the scope tube, so we need to install the baffle that is
supposed to be in the room behind the computer.  I will try to get out this
week and do that.
Dick

  -----Original Message
  From: Roger A. Gruenke [mailto:rgruenke@...]
  Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 9:33 AM
  To: ASKC@egroups.com
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] Floor lights


  At 09:27 00/10/07 -0500, Dick Trentman wrote:
  >>>>


    I used that time (Last night) to wire up the control switch for the red
floor lights in the dome. The switch (rotary) is in the box above the
telescope computer. It has 4 different levels of brightness and an off
position. This seems to be a more acceptable way of lighting the floor while
people are moving around the (30") in the dark. This light is powered all
the time so it can be used even while the master power control is off in the
dome.


  <<<<

  Dick,

  Thanks for doing this. It really helps see where stuff is without
  having to have the upper lights shining brightly. We used it last
  night with the Girl Scout group. (Now if I could just get someone
  to paint the outside of the telescope body with a color that reflects
  this light, like the scopes in all the professional observatories,
  I wouldn't keep bumping into it in the dark...).

  Roger

Thanks for the reply Tim. I've found a couple of people who have some paper
they are no longer using. I'll let you know if I need any more.

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: TKristl100@... [mailto:TKristl100@...]
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 10:34 PM
To: ASKC@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Computer paper


Gary,
What size do you need.  Our office get large paper from R & M Office supply.
tim Kristl

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Thanks to David Young and his assistant, holes for the poles for the visual
observing station have been drilled. It took them 5 hours Sunday to auger
out 20 holes 3 feet deep. And that was with a hydraulic unit and non-stop
work.
Ron Turley and Gil Machin offered assistance where needed. Mostly I just
stayed out of the way  ;-)
The holes are now covered with 1/4 inch plywood for safety and the fence
posts and rope are back up.

Nick will check with the building inspector to get the holes approved so we
can proceed with the next step.  Hopefully we can get this construction
project rolling soon.

Does anyone besides Nick know what needs to be done in what order? And at
what construction stages we need the building inspector's approval?

That's all to report for now...
Kathy

Hey Gary,
Now that we've solved your old style paper problem... know anyone who wants
a used electic typewriter?
Kathy

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary R. Pittman" <gary_rp@...>


> I need some tractor feed computer paper. Does anyone know a source where I
> can purchase the old style paper?
>
> Regards,
>
> Gary Pittman

Thank you for the info Roger. I thought I had seen small packages at places
like K-Mart and WalMart but haven't been able to find any there. A couple of
folks have e-mailed me that they have some which they are no longer using so
hopefully I can buy some from them. If not I'll check out Office Depot and
Office Max. Thanks again.

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: Roger A. Gruenke [mailto:rgruenke@...]
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 9:18 AM
To: ASKC@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Computer paper


Gary,

I've seen it on the shelves at Office Depot.  If they don't
have it displayed, they can probably get it from their
catalog warehouse.

There are still a lot of commercial users of this kind of
paper, especially the multi-part versions.

Roger





At 19:45 00/10/08 -0500, you wrote:
>I need some tractor feed computer paper. Does anyone know a source where I
>can purchase the old style paper?
>
>Regards,
>
>Gary Pittman
>gary_rp@...
>
>
>To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>ASKC-unsubscribe@egroups.com
>
>
>
>
>

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Thanks Randy, I appreciate all the replies I've received.

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Rathbun [mailto:randy@...]
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 10:43 AM
To: ASKC@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Computer paper


Yep. They still have it.  I think I paid like $10 for a 2500 sheet case
about a month ago for the cheapy recycled "I don't care what it looks
like, I just need to print it!" paper. YMMV however. 

On Mon, 9 Oct 2000, Roger A. Gruenke wrote:

> Gary,
> 
> I've seen it on the shelves at Office Depot.  If they don't
> have it displayed, they can probably get it from their
> catalog warehouse.
> 
> There are still a lot of commercial users of this kind of
> paper, especially the multi-part versions.
> 
> Roger

-- 

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No I don't Kathy but I'll keep my ears open. I have an old electric portable
that I haven't opened up for years.

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: Kathy Machin [mailto:kmachin@...]
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 9:36 PM
To: ASKC@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Computer paper


Hey Gary,
Now that we've solved your old style paper problem... know anyone who wants
a used electic typewriter?
Kathy

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary R. Pittman" <gary_rp@...>


> I need some tractor feed computer paper. Does anyone know a source where I
> can purchase the old style paper?
>
> Regards,
>
> Gary Pittman




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That's what it was about...  Tonight at the park board meeting Steve Towns asked what was going on at the observatory.  Scott and I didn't know the VOS work had been started, but we figured that was a good answer anyway :-)    Glad to hear we were right!

Gina
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Kathy Machin 
  To: ASKC@egroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 9:32 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] VOS report


  Thanks to David Young and his assistant, holes for the poles for the visual
  observing station have been drilled. It took them 5 hours Sunday to auger
  out 20 holes 3 feet deep. And that was with a hydraulic unit and non-stop
  work.
  Ron Turley and Gil Machin offered assistance where needed. Mostly I just
  stayed out of the way  ;-)
  The holes are now covered with 1/4 inch plywood for safety and the fence
  posts and rope are back up.

  Nick will check with the building inspector to get the holes approved so we
  can proceed with the next step.  Hopefully we can get this construction
  project rolling soon.

  Does anyone besides Nick know what needs to be done in what order? And at
  what construction stages we need the building inspector's approval?

  That's all to report for now...
  Kathy


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Hey All!

Does anybody want to buy a 12-inch NASA Moon Globe?

The JCPenney outlet at 75th and I-35 have lots of them selling for 
$10!  They also have 8-inch(?) Earth globes selling for $6(?).

These are the same globes that the Astronomical Society of the
Pacific 
sells for $30, $40, or $50.  They are still in the box and include a 
clear base and information booklet.  These are not toys!

Go to the back area of the store where they have candles, towels, and 
luggage.

Does the observatory have one already?  Would it be good to have one 
down there?  If yes, let me know and I'll buy it.

Later!    -Scott

  Does anyone besides Nick know what needs to be done in what order? And at
  what construction stages we need the building inspector's approval?


  The holes may need to be enlarged since my auger was only a little over 10". I overdrilled the holes to allow for shaving the sides off. The holes also may not be exactly on center since I had no way of aligning sideways, just front to back. The strings should probably be replaced to see which side of the holes to shave off to allow the posts to be place properly. they should be close but some will need a little triming up. 

Hey, Scott! Thanks for the alart....I zipped down there and bought two of
them. One for my office and one for school. They are really nice! There
looked like about a dozen left at 5PM. They are located just to the left of
all the luggage in the backroom area.   Dave

Scott Kranz wrote:

> Hey All!
>
> Does anybody want to buy a 12-inch NASA Moon Globe?
>
> The JCPenney outlet at 75th and I-35 have lots of them selling for
> $10!  They also have 8-inch(?) Earth globes selling for $6(?).
>
> These are the same globes that the Astronomical Society of the
> Pacific
> sells for $30, $40, or $50.  They are still in the box and include a
> clear base and information booklet.  These are not toys!
>
> Go to the back area of the store where they have candles, towels, and
> luggage.
>
> Does the observatory have one already?  Would it be good to have one
> down there?  If yes, let me know and I'll buy it.
>
> Later!    -Scott
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> ASKC-unsubscribe@egroups.com

David Young wrote:
> 
>      Does anyone besides Nick know what needs to be done in what
>      order? And at
>      what construction stages we need the building inspector's
>      approval?
> 
>      The holes may need to be enlarged since my auger was only a
>      little over 10". I overdrilled the holes to allow for
>      shaving the sides off. The holes also may not be exactly on
>      center since I had no way of aligning sideways, just front
>      to back. The strings should probably be replaced to see
>      which side of the holes to shave off to allow the posts to
>      be place properly. they should be close but some will need a
>      little triming up.
> 
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If memory serves me right, the drawing shows that the post are set into
the concrete piers in the ground.  The slab should be constructed with a
thickened section around the perimeter with 2-#4 (1/2") rebars running
lengthwise.  This will help prevent cracking on the perimeter.  Just a
thought, but a center pad with a concrete pier 36" deep could be for
future use of a permenant mount.  A 24" sq pad isolated from the rest of
the slab by backer rod and caulk would be sufficient.  Also thought
should be given to a monolithic pour or placing condrete in section. 
Monolithic is stronger, but individual pours can be done by u-haul it
concrete.  I suggest 4000 lb concrete with a 4" slump with 'air
entrainment."  A fibermesh additive can be used to strengthen the
concrete in place of wire mesh.  The concrete for the small pours should
be done with 2 days of above freezing temps unless an additive is used. 
A small trench may be required along the perimeter for the thickened
slab and a 4" slab with gravel for the main floor area.  I do not know
the code/inspection requiements of Louisburg.  This is similar to
building a garage or patio.  So I would imagine that is what they will
go by?  Due to my present schedule, I can only be availible to help on
the next 3 sunday afternoons.

please excuse the length,

Joe

gee if anyone else goes down there would you pick me one up? i been home
sick this week and dont know if i can get over there. shelley

-----Original Message-----
From: David Hudgins [mailto:dhudgins@...]
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 9:03 PM
To: ASKC@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Moon globes


Hey, Scott! Thanks for the alart....I zipped down there and bought two of
them. One for my office and one for school. They are really nice! There
looked like about a dozen left at 5PM. They are located just to the left of
all the luggage in the backroom area.   Dave

Scott Kranz wrote:

> Hey All!
>
> Does anybody want to buy a 12-inch NASA Moon Globe?
>
> The JCPenney outlet at 75th and I-35 have lots of them selling for
> $10!  They also have 8-inch(?) Earth globes selling for $6(?).
>
> These are the same globes that the Astronomical Society of the
> Pacific
> sells for $30, $40, or $50.  They are still in the box and include a
> clear base and information booklet.  These are not toys!
>
> Go to the back area of the store where they have candles, towels, and
> luggage.
>
> Does the observatory have one already?  Would it be good to have one
> down there?  If yes, let me know and I'll buy it.
>
> Later!    -Scott
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They are all out of moon globes by 12:30 today.  I got one and David Young
got the last one. They might have more in the back room but I didn't ask.
dick

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gee if anyone else goes down there would you pick me one up? i been home
sick this week and dont know if i can get over there. shelley

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Hey, Scott! Thanks for the alart....I zipped down there and bought two of
them. One for my office and one for school. They are really nice! There
looked like about a dozen left at 5PM. They are located just to the left of
all the luggage in the backroom area.   Dave

Scott Kranz wrote:

> Hey All!
>
> Does anybody want to buy a 12-inch NASA Moon Globe?
>
> The JCPenney outlet at 75th and I-35 have lots of them selling for
> $10!  They also have 8-inch(?) Earth globes selling for $6(?).
>
> These are the same globes that the Astronomical Society of the
> Pacific
> sells for $30, $40, or $50.  They are still in the box and include a
> clear base and information booklet.  These are not toys!
>
> Go to the back area of the store where they have candles, towels, and
> luggage.
>
> Does the observatory have one already?  Would it be good to have one
> down there?  If yes, let me know and I'll buy it.
>
> Later!    -Scott
>
>
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dtrent wrote:
> 
> They are all out of moon globes by 12:30 today.  I got one and David Young
> got the last one. They might have more in the back room but I didn't ask.
> dick
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From:   Shelley Granger [mailto:grangers@...]
> Sent:   Wednesday, October 11, 2000 6:57 AM
> To:     ASKC@egroups.com
> Subject:        RE: [ASKC] Moon globes
> 
> gee if anyone else goes down there would you pick me one up? i been home
> sick this week and dont know if i can get over there. shelley
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Hudgins [mailto:dhudgins@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 9:03 PM
> To: ASKC@egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [ASKC] Moon globes
> 
> Hey, Scott! Thanks for the alart....I zipped down there and bought two of
> them. One for my office and one for school. They are really nice! There
> looked like about a dozen left at 5PM. They are located just to the left of
> all the luggage in the backroom area.   Dave
> 
> Scott Kranz wrote:
> 
> > Hey All!
> >
> > Does anybody want to buy a 12-inch NASA Moon Globe?
> >
> > The JCPenney outlet at 75th and I-35 have lots of them selling for
> > $10!  They also have 8-inch(?) Earth globes selling for $6(?).
> >
> > These are the same globes that the Astronomical Society of the
> > Pacific
> > sells for $30, $40, or $50.  They are still in the box and include a
> > clear base and information booklet.  These are not toys!
> >
> > Go to the back area of the store where they have candles, towels, and
> > luggage.
> >
> > Does the observatory have one already?  Would it be good to have one
> > down there?  If yes, let me know and I'll buy it.
> >
> > Later!    -Scott
> >
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I went by after work and they were out.  I inquired.  What they had out
was it.  Oh well.

Joe

I got one at noon. Just made the cut.

Jim
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Date: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Moon globes


dtrent wrote:
> 
> They are all out of moon globes by 12:30 today.  I got one and David Young
> got the last one. They might have more in the back room but I didn't ask.
> dick
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From:   Shelley Granger [mailto:grangers@...]
> Sent:   Wednesday, October 11, 2000 6:57 AM
> To:     ASKC@egroups.com
> Subject:        RE: [ASKC] Moon globes
> 
> gee if anyone else goes down there would you pick me one up? i been home
> sick this week and dont know if i can get over there. shelley
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Hudgins [mailto:dhudgins@sound.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 9:03 PM
> To: ASKC@egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [ASKC] Moon globes
> 
> Hey, Scott! Thanks for the alart....I zipped down there and bought two of
> them. One for my office and one for school. They are really nice! There
> looked like about a dozen left at 5PM. They are located just to the left of
> all the luggage in the backroom area.   Dave
> 
> Scott Kranz wrote:
> 
> > Hey All!
> >
> > Does anybody want to buy a 12-inch NASA Moon Globe?
> >
> > The JCPenney outlet at 75th and I-35 have lots of them selling for
> > $10!  They also have 8-inch(?) Earth globes selling for $6(?).
> >
> > These are the same globes that the Astronomical Society of the
> > Pacific
> > sells for $30, $40, or $50.  They are still in the box and include a
> > clear base and information booklet.  These are not toys!
> >
> > Go to the back area of the store where they have candles, towels, and
> > luggage.
> >
> > Does the observatory have one already?  Would it be good to have one
> > down there?  If yes, let me know and I'll buy it.
> >
> > Later!    -Scott
> >
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I went by after work and they were out.  I inquired.  What they had out
was it.  Oh well.

Joe

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Gary!!!

I have a box of it in the garage that I ALMOST threw out the other day.  I
will put it in the trunk of my car, and you can pick it up at EMJ or at the
next general meeting....

My trip to Cleveland was cancelled due to work OVERLOAD.  I skipped the
Board Meeting, as I'm preparing for class at UMKC tomorrow night.  Me and
David Y. are going to teach some astronomy!

Jackie

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 7:45 PM
To: ASKC Group
Subject: [ASKC] Computer paper


I need some tractor feed computer paper. Does anyone know a source where I
can purchase the old style paper?

Regards,

Gary Pittman
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Gary -=- mine is the standard white kind.  It's in the car.  jackie

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I need just regular size paper (white). My daughter has my old printer and
all it uses is tractor feed. If you can find it and have no use for it I'll
be happy to buy it from you.

Thanks Jen.

Gary

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I think we have some in the basement... I'll look and let you know if I can
find it.  It was a whole case just opened.

Do you need a specific width.  Just regular size or the 14" green/white
stripe?

jen

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Subject: [ASKC] Computer paper


>I need some tractor feed computer paper. Does anyone know a source where I
>can purchase the old style paper?
>
>Regards,
>
>Gary Pittman
>gary_rp@...
>
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I know that I have to get some steel channels and/or beams on order and
perhaps cut-to-size fairly soon....
Someone will have to tell me exactly what is needed, as it has been a
looonnnnnngggggg  time since Nick spoke to me about it.  I wish I could find
some good stuff in the scrap bin.... but probably not!

Let me know,

Jackie

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Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 9:33 PM
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Subject: [ASKC] VOS report


Thanks to David Young and his assistant, holes for the poles for the visual
observing station have been drilled. It took them 5 hours Sunday to auger
out 20 holes 3 feet deep. And that was with a hydraulic unit and non-stop
work.
Ron Turley and Gil Machin offered assistance where needed. Mostly I just
stayed out of the way  ;-)
The holes are now covered with 1/4 inch plywood for safety and the fence
posts and rope are back up.

Nick will check with the building inspector to get the holes approved so we
can proceed with the next step.  Hopefully we can get this construction
project rolling soon.

Does anyone besides Nick know what needs to be done in what order? And at
what construction stages we need the building inspector's approval?

That's all to report for now...
Kathy



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And I've got an almost-brand-new IBM selectric -- for sale!!!  jackie

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No I don't Kathy but I'll keep my ears open. I have an old electric portable
that I haven't opened up for years.

Gary

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Hey Gary,
Now that we've solved your old style paper problem... know anyone who wants
a used electic typewriter?
Kathy

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> can purchase the old style paper?
>
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>
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Me, too!!!  In fact, someone should buy them ALL AND CAN RESELL THEM AT THE
MEETING!
Save one for me!!

Jackie

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Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 6:57 AM
To: ASKC@egroups.com
Subject: RE: [ASKC] Moon globes


gee if anyone else goes down there would you pick me one up? i been home
sick this week and dont know if i can get over there. shelley

-----Original Message-----
From: David Hudgins [mailto:dhudgins@...]
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 9:03 PM
To: ASKC@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Moon globes


Hey, Scott! Thanks for the alart....I zipped down there and bought two of
them. One for my office and one for school. They are really nice! There
looked like about a dozen left at 5PM. They are located just to the left of
all the luggage in the backroom area.   Dave

Scott Kranz wrote:

> Hey All!
>
> Does anybody want to buy a 12-inch NASA Moon Globe?
>
> The JCPenney outlet at 75th and I-35 have lots of them selling for
> $10!  They also have 8-inch(?) Earth globes selling for $6(?).
>
> These are the same globes that the Astronomical Society of the
> Pacific
> sells for $30, $40, or $50.  They are still in the box and include a
> clear base and information booklet.  These are not toys!
>
> Go to the back area of the store where they have candles, towels, and
> luggage.
>
> Does the observatory have one already?  Would it be good to have one
> down there?  If yes, let me know and I'll buy it.
>
> Later!    -Scott
>
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Thanks Jackie,

Natalie will appreciate it. I'll pick it up at the general meeting.

Glad we have folks like you and David to teach the classes. Good teachers
are hard to find.

Gary

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Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 6:54 PM
To: askc@egroups.com
Subject: RE: [ASKC] Computer paper


Gary!!!

I have a box of it in the garage that I ALMOST threw out the other day.  I
will put it in the trunk of my car, and you can pick it up at EMJ or at the
next general meeting....

My trip to Cleveland was cancelled due to work OVERLOAD.  I skipped the
Board Meeting, as I'm preparing for class at UMKC tomorrow night.  Me and
David Y. are going to teach some astronomy!

Jackie

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Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 7:45 PM
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David, Im sorry but I cant help out with the Confederate Star Party. 
I completly forgot until we left Winsteads last nite and was talking 
to Amy ( trying to recruit her )that I had promoised to go to St. 
Louis with her that weekend to take her National tests (which I 
thought was next month.) She was terribly upset with me to say the 
lest. Im really sorry . Shelley

We currently have 2 people committed to the Confederate Memorial Star Party on October 27 in Higgensville.

I have Melissa Kirk and Joe Alburty. Anyone else interested? If not I will call them and cancel due to lack of interest.

Anyone who hasent been to the Linda Hall Libray's on-line exibits is really
missing out on a great web page. They have science and astronomy based
exibits with pictures from books in the library. Very much worth checking
out. Shelley

http://www.lhl.lib.mo.us/

Wow! Shelly's right - they have several interesting astronomy history exhibits!
Neat!
Thanks Shelly for pointing this out!!


Dave

Shelley Granger wrote:

> Anyone who hasent been to the Linda Hall Libray's on-line exibits is really
> missing out on a great web page. They have science and astronomy based
> exibits with pictures from books in the library. Very much worth checking
> out. Shelley
>

I was trying to describe to a non-astronomer the concept of light-
gathering power of a telescope; in this particular instance the 
'scope enabled one to see about 8 magnitudes dimmer than the naked 
eye, which translates to about 1600 fold increase in light grasp.

I got to wondering about the relationship between star magnitudes and 
the brightness of a "standard candle" (I THINK there is such a thing).

Here is the question:  

How far away would a standard candle need to be to be equally bright 
as a tenth magnitude star?

I realize this is a rather arcane bit of trivia but I'm sure there's 
someone out there that has read something about this.

Thanks in advance!

-Dave Dembinski

Thanks, Gary.  I truly enjoy doing it, too!

Jackie

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Thanks Jackie,

Natalie will appreciate it. I'll pick it up at the general meeting.

Glad we have folks like you and David to teach the classes. Good teachers
are hard to find.

Gary

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Gary!!!

I have a box of it in the garage that I ALMOST threw out the other day.  I
will put it in the trunk of my car, and you can pick it up at EMJ or at the
next general meeting....

My trip to Cleveland was cancelled due to work OVERLOAD.  I skipped the
Board Meeting, as I'm preparing for class at UMKC tomorrow night.  Me and
David Y. are going to teach some astronomy!

Jackie

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Hi Dave!

Well, the term �standard candle� refers to any of a variety of objects such
as Cepheid variables, Type 1a supernova, RR Lyrae stars, and even planetary
nebula � objects that have some kind of systematic known luminosity � which
allow them to be used as distance estimators.

But your question is .... �how far away would a candle flame have to be to
appear like a 10th mag star?�

The basic process is pretty straightforward:  (1) determine the luminosity
of a typical candle flame (say, at 1400 K), then (2) calculate the flux
density of a 10th mag star (a bit harder), then (3) set those two equal and
solve for the distance required.

Energy = sigmaTE4(4pirE2)  =  (5.67x10E-5)(1400)E4(4pi(0.25)E2)  = 1.7x108
erg/sec

(2) To calculate the flux density of a 10th mag star, there may be a table
somewhere. But I don�t know where it is, so had to figure it out from
scratch. I simply compared it to our sun that has an absolute magnitude of
4.6 and a solar constant of E = 3.9x10E33 erg/sec. To be a 10th mag star our
sun would have to be 10 - 4.6 = 5.4 mag dimmer.

Luminosity of 10th mag star  would then =  (3.9x10E3)  /  2.512E5.4  =
2.7x10E31 erg/sec

At the standard distance of 10 parsecs, the flux density would be

Flux = L / 4pirE2  = 2.7x10E31 / 4pi(10 parsecs)E2  =  2.x10-9ergcmE-2sE-1

(3) Now use these values in the flux formula to find the distance.

F = L / 4pirE2  but solving for the distance r we get....

r  =  ( L / 4piF)E-2  =  [1.7x108 erg/sec / 4pi (2.x10E-9ergcmE-2sE-1]E-2  =
7.8x10E7 cm.


Uhhhh...so the answer I get is the candle must be 780 km away. Somehow this
sounds too big, so I may have slipped a decimal somewhere. The process is
correct I think, and  I cannot find any math error. Any ideas?
BTW, the equations look so nasty because there are no exponents or math
symbols available (apparently) in my email browser. Yike!

Dave

Dave Dembinski wrote:

> I was trying to describe to a non-astronomer the concept of light-
> gathering power of a telescope; in this particular instance the
> 'scope enabled one to see about 8 magnitudes dimmer than the naked
> eye, which translates to about 1600 fold increase in light grasp.
>
> I got to wondering about the relationship between star magnitudes and
> the brightness of a "standard candle" (I THINK there is such a thing).
>
> Here is the question:
>
> How far away would a standard candle need to be to be equally bright
> as a tenth magnitude star?
>
> I realize this is a rather arcane bit of trivia but I'm sure there's
> someone out there that has read something about this.
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> -Dave Dembinski
>
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Hello, everyone!

I have a request from the Blue Valley Library (Stanley, Ks, on the way to
Louisburg on Hiway 69) -- wanting us to do an astronomy program on Thursday,
Nov. 9th.

These astronomy programs can be done with one person, assuming they can give
a program (slides, which I'd provide) and have a telescope to let them look
through afterwards.  I've done many of them.

Problem with this one is that it's the night of our Board Meeting!  Now,
I've missed the last two Board meetings due to other committments, and sort
of wanted to be at the November meeting.  So, if there is someone out there
that could do this, please let me know!

You can respond here, or call me at home:  (913) 469-0135, or at work (816)
483-4140.

Thanks!

Jackie

Dave, That sounds like a darn good answer to me.  I think you've been
studying for the Astro-trivia questions for the upcoming general meeting!

rett     8^)


>But your question is .... "how far away would a candle flame have to be to
>appear like a 10th mag star?"

>The basic process is pretty straightforward:  (1) determine the luminosity
>of a typical candle flame (say, at 1400 K), then (2) calculate the flux
>density of a 10th mag star (a bit harder), then (3) set those two equal and
>solve for the distance required.

>Energy = sigmaTE4(4pirE2)  =  (5.67x10E-5)(1400)E4(4pi(0.25)E2)  = 1.7x108
>erg/sec

>(2) To calculate the flux density of a 10th mag star, there may be a table
>somewhere. But I don't know where it is, so had to figure it out from
>scratch. I simply compared it to our sun that has an absolute magnitude of
>4.6 and a solar constant of E = 3.9x10E33 erg/sec. To be a 10th mag star
our
>sun would have to be 10 - 4.6 = 5.4 mag dimmer.

>Luminosity of 10th mag star  would then =  (3.9x10E3)  /  2.512E5.4  =
>2.7x10E31 erg/sec

>At the standard distance of 10 parsecs, the flux density would be

>Flux = L / 4pirE2  = 2.7x10E31 / 4pi(10 parsecs)E2  =  2.x10-9ergcmE-2sE-1

>(3) Now use these values in the flux formula to find the distance.

>F = L / 4pirE2  but solving for the distance r we get....

>r  =  ( L / 4piF)E-2  =  [1.7x108 erg/sec / 4pi (2.x10E-9ergcmE-2sE-1]E-2
=
>7.8x10E7 cm.


Uhhhh...so the answer I get is the candle must be 780 km away

At 16:35 00/10/15 -0500, Dave Hudgins wrote:
>
>(2) To calculate the flux density of a 10th mag star, there may be a table
>somewhere. But I don�t know where it is, so had to figure it out from
>scratch. I simply compared it to our sun that has an absolute magnitude of
>4.6 and a solar constant of E = 3.9x10E33 erg/sec. To be a 10th mag star our
>sun would have to be 10 - 4.6 = 5.4 mag dimmer.

Our sun may have an absolute magnitude of 4.6, but I think the question
related to relative magnitude.  So, if you use the  relative (apparent)
magnitude of the sun (I don't recall what it is but it must be -xx)
I think the distance will be much greater.


>Uhhhh...so the answer I get is the candle must be 780 km away. Somehow this
>sounds too big, so I may have slipped a decimal somewhere. The process is
>correct I think, and  I cannot find any math error. Any ideas?
>BTW, the equations look so nasty because there are no exponents or math
>symbols available (apparently) in my email browser. Yike!
>
>Dave

Roger

Dave - 

Thanks!

I believe you are correct with the value 780 km for a tenth magnitude star.  I
just came inside after doing a little experiment:

Vega is very close to 0.0 magnitude. Thus is is 10,000 times brighter than a
tenth magnitude star.  Based on your numbers it should be as bright as a
candle 780km/10,000 = 0.078km = 78 meters away.

I lit a candle and started pacing off distance, looking back once in a while. 
At 9 yards (roughly 7.8 meters) the candle was definitely brighter than Vega. 
At 90 yards the candle and Vega really were pretty close in brightness. I have
to admit that accurate magnitude estimates when comparing a flickering yellow
candle flame on the ground to a white star close to overhead are tough, but
your numbers seem to agree with my "empirical data" definitely within a factor
of two or so.

The implication of all this is, when you're peering at a 13th magnitude object
thru a telescope you are seeing light as bright as a candle nearly 8000 miles
away!  WOW!!

BTW - I did some research on the term "standard candle". Although now
scientifically obsolete it was once a unit of luminosity -  the brightness of
a one-sixth pound sperm wax candle burning at a rate of 120 grains per hour.
When astronomers refer to Cepheids etc. by this name they usually use
quotation marks to distinguish what they are talking abou from the REAL
standard candle.

-Dave



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Hi Dave!

Well, the term “standard candle” refers to any of a variety of objects such
as Cepheid variables, Type 1a supernova, RR Lyrae stars, and even planetary
nebula – objects that have some kind of systematic known luminosity – which
allow them to be used as distance estimators.

But your question is .... “how far away would a candle flame have to be to
appear like a 10th mag star?”

The basic process is pretty straightforward:  (1) determine the luminosity
of a typical candle flame (say, at 1400 K), then (2) calculate the flux
density of a 10th mag star (a bit harder), then (3) set those two equal and
solve for the distance required.

Energy = sigmaTE4(4pirE2)  =  (5.67x10E-5)(1400)E4(4pi(0.25)E2)  = 1.7x108
erg/sec

(2) To calculate the flux density of a 10th mag star, there may be a table
somewhere. But I don’t know where it is, so had to figure it out from
scratch. I simply compared it to our sun that has an absolute magnitude of
4.6 and a solar constant of E = 3.9x10E33 erg/sec. To be a 10th mag star our
sun would have to be 10 - 4.6 = 5.4 mag dimmer.

Luminosity of 10th mag star  would then =  (3.9x10E3)  /  2.512E5.4  =
2.7x10E31 erg/sec

At the standard distance of 10 parsecs, the flux density would be

Flux = L / 4pirE2  = 2.7x10E31 / 4pi(10 parsecs)E2  =  2.x10-9ergcmE-2sE-1

(3) Now use these values in the flux formula to find the distance.

F = L / 4pirE2  but solving for the distance r we get....

r  =  ( L / 4piF)E-2  =  [1.7x108 erg/sec / 4pi (2.x10E-9ergcmE-2sE-1]E-2  =
7.8x10E7 cm.


Uhhhh...so the answer I get is the candle must be 780 km away. Somehow this
sounds too big, so I may have slipped a decimal somewhere. The process is
correct I think, and  I cannot find any math error. Any ideas?
BTW, the equations look so nasty because there are no exponents or math
symbols available (apparently) in my email browser. Yike!

Dave

Dave Dembinski wrote:

> I was trying to describe to a non-astronomer the concept of light-
> gathering power of a telescope; in this particular instance the
> 'scope enabled one to see about 8 magnitudes dimmer than the naked
> eye, which translates to about 1600 fold increase in light grasp.
>
> I got to wondering about the relationship between star magnitudes and
> the brightness of a "standard candle" (I THINK there is such a thing).
>
> Here is the question:
>
> How far away would a standard candle need to be to be equally bright
> as a tenth magnitude star?
>
> I realize this is a rather arcane bit of trivia but I'm sure there's
> someone out there that has read something about this.
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> -Dave Dembinski
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Folks, NASA NEWS has a great article about what amateurs can do in this
new field. See

http://spacescience.com/headlines/y2000/ast16oct_1.htm?list


Dave

I didn't go.
Not feeling well and didn't have time to contact anyone.
I will try to do better next month.
Kathy

Here's the latest update on reservations 

Oct 25    Broker    cub scouts   696-0653   Vic Winter/Tom Boerner

Oct 27    Confed Memorial                           Joe Alburty, Melissa Kirk, ???????    ????????
                                                    come on    how about a few more people

Nov 3    D Cawley(member)  557-5561
Nov 4   Toby Cooper   
Nov 16 Puhak  402-9898   girl scouts
Nov 17  Manke 816-356-0960  girl scouts
Dec 1     Beeder  383-8365   girl scouts     

Am I missing something or did the maillist go dead after the 16th 
(last post)? A week and nothing? Can't tell me you are all out 
observing through this persistent blanket of clouds! Anyone out there?

On another note, a suspect some of you wondered about the web page 
status.....
Been very busy the past 3-4 weeks at work and other personal things 
that needs attention. Plan this weekend on gettting the awards page 
done, adding some new photos, and some other goodies. If I can get it 
all done early Saturday, I will update everyone Saturday night at the 
GM.

Hello Rob,

I'm here and was wondering about the lack of traffic also.

See you Saturday.

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Robinson [mailto:webmaster@...]
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 6:02 PM
To: ASKC@egroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Hello?


Am I missing something or did the maillist go dead after the 16th 
(last post)? A week and nothing? Can't tell me you are all out 
observing through this persistent blanket of clouds! Anyone out there?

On another note, a suspect some of you wondered about the web page 
status.....
Been very busy the past 3-4 weeks at work and other personal things 
that needs attention. Plan this weekend on gettting the awards page 
done, adding some new photos, and some other goodies. If I can get it 
all done early Saturday, I will update everyone Saturday night at the 
GM.



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Hey Rob:

I guess people are busy.  I know I've been working 12 hours days since last
week and don't want to do much when I get home.

Tom

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Am I missing something or did the maillist go dead after the 16th
(last post)? A week and nothing?

Hi everyone, Amy and I will be out of town this Sat. and I was needing
someone to offer to open the library for me. Any volunteers ? If so you can
call me at 305-7075 ..Thanks Shelley

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> Hey Rob:
> 
> I guess people are busy.  I know I've been working 12 hours days 
since last
> week and don't want to do much when I get home.

Wow...12 hour days!
I guess I shouldn't complain about the 10hr days + 5 on Saturday!

  Am I missing something or did the maillist go dead after the 16th 
  (last post)? A week and nothing? Can't tell me you are all out 
  observing through this persistent blanket of clouds! Anyone out there

  Hmm... I've been out of town for 5 days. I went to Chicago for a little fun trip. If you are in Chicago for any reason you really should make time to go see The Blue Man Group. What a hoot! I laughed so hard I was crying a couple of times. If you go near Melrose Park just south of O'Hare be sure to drop by Tom's Steak House on North Avenue. It beats the heck out of the Herford house and is every bit as good as the Savoy. Went to the Adler, Shed, Field and Science and Industry museums. Field and S&I let you in free if you take your Key to the City from Science City. Navy Pier is a sham trying to be Frisco's Pier 39 area and not making it.

Sorry Shelley,

Linda's dad is in the hospital and it looks very much like we might not be
at the meeting either.

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: Shelley Granger [mailto:grangers@...]
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 8:06 AM
To: ASKC
Subject: [ASKC] need help !


Hi everyone, Amy and I will be out of town this Sat. and I was needing
someone to offer to open the library for me. Any volunteers ? If so you can
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The Confederate Memorial is expecting ASKC this Friday evening October 27 in Higginsville. Melissa Kirk and Joe Alburty are the only people who have confirmed they will be there. A few more people would be nice. How about it? Can the ASKC field more than 1/2 percent of its membership to raise money for the club?

You know that I would be there if I could David, but I work Friday nights..

Darren J Kindberg
Secretary
Heartland Humanists
http://heartland.humanists.net
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  To: ASKC@egroups.com
  Subject: [ASKC] Confederate Memorial


  The Confederate Memorial is expecting ASKC this Friday evening October 27
in Higginsville. Melissa Kirk and Joe Alburty are the only people who have
confirmed they will be there. A few more people would be nice. How about it?
Can the ASKC field more than 1/2 percent of its membership to raise money
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Sharon, Thanks so much. The combonations are 7800 and 2700 although jessie
says im worng its 2800 :) she unlocks it most of the time so she is probly
right. just put any cards and returned books in a pile and i will go through
them later .. Thanks again!!! Shelley

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Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 8:28 PM
To: ASKC@egroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] (unknown)


Shelly:  I am planning on being at the meeting on saturday and would
be glad to open the library.  Just let me know what the pass numbers
are.  Sharon Goode you can call me at work at 816761 7476 ext 211



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Thanks for telling the combination to the world shelley!!!!!!!!   Any other
secrets?????

hehehehehe

Shelley Granger wrote:

> Sharon, Thanks so much. The combonations are 7800 and 2700 although jessie
> says im worng its 2800 :) she unlocks it most of the time so she is probly
> right. just put any cards and returned books in a pile and i will go through
> them later .. Thanks again!!! Shelley
>
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> The Confederate Memorial is expecting ASKC this Friday evening October
> 27 in Higginsville. Melissa Kirk and Joe Alburty are the only people
> who have confirmed they will be there. A few more people would be
> nice. How about it? Can the ASKC field more than 1/2 percent of its
> membership to raise money for the club?
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David,

I will try to be there.  Can you please give more information.  Where do
we meet?  What time?  I will need to leave by midnight or so to return
home, unload the truck and reload for a 0600 scouting event.  

Joe

I'll be posting directions later today. I just decided to go myself last night. It's somewhere around Higgensville. David Preston thinks its on the north side of town. I have slides stolen from Powell this morning, a couple of pairs of binocs and a little 80mm refractor.
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  From: Joseph S. Wright 
  To: ASKC@egroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 10:46 PM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] Confederate Memorial


  David Young wrote:
  > 
  > The Confederate Memorial is expecting ASKC this Friday evening October
  > 27 in Higginsville. Melissa Kirk and Joe Alburty are the only people
  > who have confirmed they will be there. A few more people would be
  > nice. How about it? Can the ASKC field more than 1/2 percent of its
  > membership to raise money for the club?
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  David,

  I will try to be there.  Can you please give more information.  Where do
  we meet?  What time?  I will need to leave by midnight or so to return
  home, unload the truck and reload for a 0600 scouting event.  

  Joe

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David Young asked me to post the directions to Higginsville star party
for today, Friday, 2000 October 27:


        Take I-70 east to Highway 13 (Higginsville - Warrensburg exit)


        Go north 8 miles, through Higginsville to Business 13.


        Turn right on Business 13.


        Go 1.5 miles to entrance (on left).


        Go up the hill to the office.


Clear skies,
Roger 

Nick has asked for a work party next Sunday at 12:00 noon to set up forms to pour concrete for the new telescope. If you can help out please respond to this email.

So far we have

Joe Alburty

I'll be there.

Darren J Kindberg
Secretary
Heartland Humanists
http://heartland.humanists.net
  -----Original Message-----
  From: David Young [mailto:dyoung@...]
  Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 7:23 AM
  To: ASKC@egroups.com
  Subject: [ASKC] Work party


  Nick has asked for a work party next Sunday at 12:00 noon to set up forms
to pour concrete for the new telescope. If you can help out please respond
to this email.

  So far we have

  Joe Alburty

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Joe, I expect to be there to help! : ^) Dave



> Nick has asked for a work party next Sunday at 12:00 noon to set up
> forms to pour concrete for the new telescope. If you can help out
> please respond to this email. So far we have Joe Alburty
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> David Young wrote:
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> Nick has asked for a work party next Sunday at 12:00 noon to set up
> forms to pour concrete for the new telescope. If you can help out
> please respond to this email.
> 
> So far we have
> 
> Joe Alburty


Hi David,

I'll be there!

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I'll be there..  Dick Trentman


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Sent:	Monday, October 30, 2000 6:07 PM
To:	ASKC@egroups.com
Subject:	Re: [ASKC] Work party

> David Young wrote:
> 
> Nick has asked for a work party next Sunday at 12:00 noon to set up
> forms to pour concrete for the new telescope. If you can help out
> please respond to this email.
> 
> So far we have
> 
> Joe Alburty


Hi David,

I'll be there!

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Richard Fredrick      

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  Nick has asked for a work party next Sunday at 12:00 noon to set up forms to pour concrete for the new telescope. If you can help out please respond to this email.

  Now we have

  Joe Alburty
  D J Kindberg
  David Hudgins
  Richard Fredrick

    Now we have
     
    Joe Alburty
    D J Kindberg
    David Hudgins
    Richard Fredrick
    Dick Trentman
    Roger Gruenke

OK Roger, I've got it.

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Gruenke [mailto:rgruenke@...]
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 9:40 PM
To: ASKC@egroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] email address change


Hi all,

I've changed my ISP and my new email address is:

      rgruenke@...



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David Young wrote:
> 
> Nick has asked for a work party next Sunday at 12:00 noon to set up
> forms to pour concrete for the new telescope. If you can help out
> please respond to this email.
> 
> So far we have
> 
> Joe Alburty
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David

Rita and I plan to be there.  I am trying to get my nephew to come
along. He has done concrete work for the past twenty years or so.  I
have floats, trowlers an edger and false jointer also.  If he has a bull
float, I'll try go get it.  

Joe

PS
I also have an AC mixer.

  David

  Rita and I plan to be there.  I am trying to get my nephew to come
  along. He has done concrete work for the past twenty years or so.  I
  have floats, trowlers an edger and false jointer also.  If he has a bull
  float, I'll try go get it.  


  As far as I know, no concrete will be poured. Just setting up the forms. Our wandering OD may clarify this but I wouldn't plan on bringing all the concrete working tools down just yet.

    Anyone have a phone number for Mike Cofer. I have a request from a group for him specifically to do a star party this Friday night.

I have an address of 506 W. Piankishaw St., Paola, KS 66071 but never did
get a phone number for him. His membership lapsed in June and I haven't
heard from him. The last e-mail address I had for him is
mikecofer@....

Gary
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      Anyone have a phone number for Mike Cofer. I have a request from a
group for him specifically to do a star party this Friday night.

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I have a request for an off site star party in Weston Missouri on November 20.  Anyone interested?

Can do... what time?

Darren J Kindberg
Secretary
Heartland Humanists
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  I have a request for an off site star party in Weston Missouri on November
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David Young wrote:
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> group for him specifically to do a star party this Friday night.
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David,

Mike's number is 913-294-2163

Joe

  David,

  Mike's number is 913-294-2163

  Joe



  Thanks for the reply but it's a moot point. Mike is no longer a member of the ASKC. He didn't renew in June and his membership lapsed. Bummer. Mike was a kool dude!

Assuming it works in egroups,  attached you will find a pic of the shuttle 
at Whiteman AFB in Knob Noster MO last night.  I rode out with a news crew 
and took some pic.  Got to watch it land from the end of the runway.  VERY 
KEWL!


Enjoy,

Bob

This note is really for Rett in case he didn't get the direct email. 

Tonights star party is cancelled. The rescheduled for tomorrow night and I plan to go down.

Thanks for the pic Bob. Must have been quite a sight!

Wow!!!

Thanks for the pic, Bob!

Pretty neat Bob. Thanks.

Gary

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Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 4:53 PM
To: ASKC@egroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Space shuttle at Whiteman AFB


Assuming it works in egroups,  attached you will find a pic of the shuttle 
at Whiteman AFB in Knob Noster MO last night.  I rode out with a news crew 
and took some pic.  Got to watch it land from the end of the runway.  VERY 
KEWL!


Enjoy,

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For today's work party at noon, please bring

circle saw, hand saw, hammer, level, cordless drill, extension cords, enthusiasm.

Gary & Denise,
Can we send this fellow an electronic copy of the newsletter for a month or
three?
He is interested in joining the ASKC while he is on a 5-6 month work
assignment in the KC area.
We are out of the open every Saturday night routine at Powell, but perhaps
we could invite him down for a few observing sessions. Or to the AIC?
Thanks
Kathy

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From: <SprinDad@...>
To: <kmachin@...>
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 6:37 PM
Subject: Membership for ASKC


> Hi Kathy,
>
> I am the guy that talked with you and your husband at Lymax's last
Saturday.
> You had asked me to send you my E-Mail address so you could send me some
> information.  My E-Mail address is:  Sprindad@...
> I am looking forward to attending the next meeting and I was disappointed
> that I could not make it to the one on Saturday.  It was really nice
meeting
> you two  and am looking forward to seeing you at the next meeting.
>
> Sincerely
>
> Jim Springer

Denise handles the electronic Cosmic Messenger. Which reminds me, is the
November .PDF CM available yet? I never did receive a copy of the October
version.

Gary

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Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 5:52 PM
To: ASKC@egroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Fw: Membership for ASKC


Gary & Denise,
Can we send this fellow an electronic copy of the newsletter for a month or
three?
He is interested in joining the ASKC while he is on a 5-6 month work
assignment in the KC area.
We are out of the open every Saturday night routine at Powell, but perhaps
we could invite him down for a few observing sessions. Or to the AIC?
Thanks
Kathy

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To: <kmachin@...>
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 6:37 PM
Subject: Membership for ASKC


> Hi Kathy,
>
> I am the guy that talked with you and your husband at Lymax's last
Saturday.
> You had asked me to send you my E-Mail address so you could send me some
> information.  My E-Mail address is:  Sprindad@...
> I am looking forward to attending the next meeting and I was disappointed
> that I could not make it to the one on Saturday.  It was really nice
meeting
> you two  and am looking forward to seeing you at the next meeting.
>
> Sincerely
>
> Jim Springer


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You know....  I never received an October electronic issue either....   whats
up?

-Scott

"Gary R. Pittman" wrote:

> Denise handles the electronic Cosmic Messenger. Which reminds me, is the
> November .PDF CM available yet? I never did receive a copy of the October
> version.
>
> Gary
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kathy Machin [mailto:kmachin@...]
> Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 5:52 PM
> To: ASKC@egroups.com
> Subject: [ASKC] Fw: Membership for ASKC
>
> Gary & Denise,
> Can we send this fellow an electronic copy of the newsletter for a month or
> three?
> He is interested in joining the ASKC while he is on a 5-6 month work
> assignment in the KC area.
> We are out of the open every Saturday night routine at Powell, but perhaps
> we could invite him down for a few observing sessions. Or to the AIC?
> Thanks
> Kathy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <SprinDad@...>
> To: <kmachin@...>
> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 6:37 PM
> Subject: Membership for ASKC
>
> > Hi Kathy,
> >
> > I am the guy that talked with you and your husband at Lymax's last
> Saturday.
> > You had asked me to send you my E-Mail address so you could send me some
> > information.  My E-Mail address is:  Sprindad@...
> > I am looking forward to attending the next meeting and I was disappointed
> > that I could not make it to the one on Saturday.  It was really nice
> meeting
> > you two  and am looking forward to seeing you at the next meeting.
> >
> > Sincerely
> >
> > Jim Springer
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Things are starting to move on the new VOS that will house the large Dob donated by Larry Robinson. The holes for the posts have been drilled, the site leveled off and the first concrete form is in place. Nick, Dick Trentman and Roger Gruenke worked inside as well as outside the observatory. Gil and Roger are working on replacing some bearings to make the dome rotate better. Dick has the red floor lights going again. The rest of the work party listed below joined them digging, sawing and fastening the forms.
In no particular order and with the usual incorrect spelling these folks helped out:
Nick Reuss
Dick Trentman
Roger Gruenke
D J Kindberg
Joe and Rita Wright
Joe Alburty
Richard and Laura Fredrick

Thanks for the report David.  if anyone took pictures, I'd like to borrow
the negs or prints to make copies for the ASKC history books.  I was going
to be there to take some pics, but couldn't make it.

Tom
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  From: David Young [mailto:dyoung@...]
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  To: ASKC@egroups.com
  Subject: [ASKC] Visual Observing Station


  Things are starting to move on the new VOS that will house the large Dob
donated by Larry Robinson. The holes for the posts have been drilled, the
site leveled off and the first concrete form is in place. Nick, Dick
Trentman and Roger Gruenke worked inside as well as outside the observatory.
Gil and Roger are working on replacing some bearings to make the dome rotate
better. Dick has the red floor lights going again. The rest of the work
party listed below joined them digging, sawing and fastening the forms.
  In no particular order and with the usual incorrect spelling these folks
helped out:
  Nick Reuss
  Dick Trentman
  Roger Gruenke
  D J Kindberg
  Joe and Rita Wright
  Joe Alburty
  Richard and Laura Fredrick


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Hi everyone!

Last night the City Council set a tentative date for a workshop where an independent expert on lighting will provide the council with current information on what's available.  For the moment it will be held on Nov. 27th at 7pm at City Hall and it will be open to the public.  I believe the expert invited works for KCP&L.

The issue of replacing and redistributing the city lights had apparently come up at the last City Council meeting.  The city is currently paying 30% more than they should to light their streets, mostly due to inefficient fixtures and over-lighting of some areas.

No decision will be made at the workshop, but the city council will make a decision based on the information provided.  The goal of the city is to provide adequate lighting with the least cost, and to appropriately distribute the lights.  Some areas of the city are over-lighted, whereas others are considered unsatisfactory.  

What all this means for Powell Observatory is still uncertain, and probably greatly depends on the information furnished by the KCP&L expert.  I'll keep you posted on any changes to the workshop date, in case anyone is interested in attending.

Gina

How about digital pictures?  I didn't take a lot but here are a few and a 15
sec movie on next email.  Dick T.



  -----Original Message-----
  From: Tom Martinez [mailto:martinez@...]
  Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 6:02 PM
  To: ASKC@egroups.com
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] Visual Observing Station


  Thanks for the report David.  if anyone took pictures, I'd like to borrow
the negs or prints to make copies for the ASKC history books.  I was going
to be there to take some pics, but couldn't make it.

  Tom
    -----Original Message-----
    From: David Young [mailto:dyoung@...]
    Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 6:40 AM
    To: ASKC@egroups.com
    Subject: [ASKC] Visual Observing Station


    Things are starting to move on the new VOS that will house the large Dob
donated by Larry Robinson. The holes for the posts have been drilled, the
site leveled off and the first concrete form is in place. Nick, Dick
Trentman and Roger Gruenke worked inside as well as outside the observatory.
Gil and Roger are working on replacing some bearings to make the dome rotate
better. Dick has the red floor lights going again. The rest of the work
party listed below joined them digging, sawing and fastening the forms.
    In no particular order and with the usual incorrect spelling these folks
helped out:
    Nick Reuss
    Dick Trentman
    Roger Gruenke
    D J Kindberg
    Joe and Rita Wright
    Joe Alburty
    Richard and Laura Fredrick



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    Dick was snapping off some shots with a nifty little digital camera.

Dick:  Thanks for the pics and the movie.  They are great.  They'll fit
nicely in the eventual ASKC CD.

Tom, ASKC Historian.

Next time, post this to a web site.

Mark Jones
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: dtrent 
  To: ASKC@egroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 10:43 PM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] Visual Observing Station


  How about digital pictures?  I didn't take a lot but here are a few and a 15 sec movie on next email.  Dick T.



    -----Original Message-----
    From: Tom Martinez [mailto:martinez@...]
    Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 6:02 PM
    To: ASKC@egroups.com
    Subject: RE: [ASKC] Visual Observing Station


    Thanks for the report David.  if anyone took pictures, I'd like to borrow the negs or prints to make copies for the ASKC history books.  I was going to be there to take some pics, but couldn't make it.

    Tom
      -----Original Message-----
      From: David Young [mailto:dyoung@...t]
      Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 6:40 AM
      To: ASKC@...m
      Subject: [ASKC] Visual Observing Station


      Things are starting to move on the new VOS that will house the large Dob donated by Larry Robinson. The holes for the posts have been drilled, the site leveled off and the first concrete form is in place. Nick, Dick Trentman and Roger Gruenke worked inside as well as outside the observatory. Gil and Roger are working on replacing some bearings to make the dome rotate better. Dick has the red floor lights going again. The rest of the work party listed below joined them digging, sawing and fastening the forms.
      In no particular order and with the usual incorrect spelling these folks helped out:
      Nick Reuss
      Dick Trentman
      Roger Gruenke
      D J Kindberg
      Joe and Rita Wright
      Joe Alburty
      Richard and Laura Fredrick



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Mark,
I didn't plan for this to go to the general membership.  I sent to one
person and it ended up here.  sorry to offend you.. dick
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Mark Jones [mailto:mejones@...]
  Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 7:19 PM
  To: ASKC@egroups.com
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] Visual Observing Station


  Next time, post this to a web site.

  Mark Jones
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    From: dtrent
    To: ASKC@egroups.com
    Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 10:43 PM
    Subject: RE: [ASKC] Visual Observing Station


    How about digital pictures?  I didn't take a lot but here are a few and
a 15 sec movie on next email.  Dick T.



      -----Original Message-----
      From: Tom Martinez [mailto:martinez@...]
      Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 6:02 PM
      To: ASKC@egroups.com
      Subject: RE: [ASKC] Visual Observing Station


      Thanks for the report David.  if anyone took pictures, I'd like to
borrow the negs or prints to make copies for the ASKC history books.  I was
going to be there to take some pics, but couldn't make it.

      Tom
        -----Original Message-----
        From: David Young [mailto:dyoung@...]
        Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 6:40 AM
        To: ASKC@egroups.com
        Subject: [ASKC] Visual Observing Station


        Things are starting to move on the new VOS that will house the large
Dob donated by Larry Robinson. The holes for the posts have been drilled,
the site leveled off and the first concrete form is in place. Nick, Dick
Trentman and Roger Gruenke worked inside as well as outside the observatory.
Gil and Roger are working on replacing some bearings to make the dome rotate
better. Dick has the red floor lights going again. The rest of the work
party listed below joined them digging, sawing and fastening the forms.
        In no particular order and with the usual incorrect spelling these
folks helped out:
        Nick Reuss
        Dick Trentman
        Roger Gruenke
        D J Kindberg
        Joe and Rita Wright
        Joe Alburty
        Richard and Laura Fredrick



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I have requests for a number of star parties in December. If you can do any of these please drop me an e-mail.

December 1    Girl scouts  7:00PM Beeder 913-383-8365
December 9    Boy scouts  7:00PM Richart 913-894-6859
December 15  Boy scouts   7:00PM             Bradshaw 913-685-8696

I have requests from two scout groups for star parties on December 19 and December 21. I told them I would ask for volunteers and would not book the dates unless I got someone.

Anyone interested in doing a star party for scouts on either of these dates please drop me an e-mail.

David Young wrote:
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> I have requests for a number of star parties in December. If you can
> do any of these please drop me an e-mail.
> 
> December 1    Girl scouts  7:00PM Beeder 913-383-8365
> December 9    Boy scouts  7:00PM Richart 913-894-6859
> December 15  Boy scouts   7:00PM             Bradshaw 913-685-8696
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David,

Rita and I will do the 15th.  I will get back with you concerning the
9th.

Joe

David Young wrote:
> 
> I have requests from two scout groups for star parties on December 19
> and December 21. I told them I would ask for volunteers and would not
> book the dates unless I got someone.
> 
> Anyone interested in doing a star party for scouts on either of these
> dates please drop me an e-mail.
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David.

David,

Okay, put us down for the 21st.

Joe

David,

I have attached the current Astronomy merit badge (mb) requirements that
are the same as the mb pamplet that I put at Powell.  Attached is also a
draft version of new requirements that we can specifically do at Powell
for a Boy Scout troop.  I have spoken to a District Advancement
Chairman, he has no problem with the changes.  I will put together a new
flier reminding the scouts that advance work must be done.  This will
include knowing 10 constellations.  If anyone has any comments on the
the changed requirements, please let me know.  After the first of the
year I will be submitting these to National HQ.  The requirements were
last updated in 1983.

Thanks to all,

Joe

David,

I can do the 9th and 21st. On the 19th I won't be able to be there until
20:00. On the 21st between 18:30 and 19:00.

Darren J Kindberg
Secretary
Heartland Humanists
http://heartland.humanists.net
  -----Original Message-----
  From: David Young [mailto:dyoung@...]
  Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2000 2:20 AM
  To: ASKC@egroups.com
  Subject: [ASKC] star parties


  I have requests for a number of star parties in December. If you can do
any of these please drop me an e-mail.

  December 1    Girl scouts  7:00PM Beeder 913-383-8365
  December 9    Boy scouts  7:00PM Richart 913-894-6859
  December 15  Boy scouts   7:00PM             Bradshaw 913-685-8696

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David,
  I  can help the Wright's out on the 15th.
Joe A.

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  David,

  Okay, put us down for the 21st.

  Joe


  OOPS!   Disregard previous transmission.  Nick already has the 21st reserved.

  I can do the 9th and 21st. On the 19th I won't be able to be there until 20:00. On the 21st between 18:30 and 19:00.

  Thanks DJ.  The 21st is already scheduled by Nick so I'll tell them when they call back. I'll put you down for the 19th.

  David, 
    I  can help the Wright's out on the 15th. 
  Joe A. 

  Thanks Joe!  Be sure to coordinate with Joe W.

I finally managed to get the 25' extension ladder to my house. Let me know if you need it transported to Powell some time in particular or if you plan to pick it up. 

A group of girl scouts reserved the observatory for November 16. I will have to call them Tuesday and tell them their night is canceled due to lack of personnel.

David, if someone can open for me I can do it. I'm not a keyholder, but I'd
hate to disappoint them. I can be there at 19:00.

Darren J Kindberg
Secretary
Heartland Humanists
http://heartland.humanists.net
  -----Original Message-----
  From: David Young [mailto:dyoung@...]
  Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2000 10:32 PM
  To: ASKC@egroups.com
  Subject: [ASKC] star party


  A group of girl scouts reserved the observatory for November 16. I will
have to call them Tuesday and tell them their night is canceled due to lack
of personnel.

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Darren I can open up for you, if that will help   Dick T.

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Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 12:00 AM
To: ASKC@egroups.com
Subject: RE: [ASKC] star party


  David, if someone can open for me I can do it. I'm not a keyholder, but
I'd hate to disappoint them. I can be there at 19:00.

  Darren J Kindberg
  Secretary
  Heartland Humanists
  http://heartland.humanists.net
    -----Original Message-----
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    Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2000 10:32 PM
    To: ASKC@egroups.com
    Subject: [ASKC] star party


    A group of girl scouts reserved the observatory for November 16. I will
have to call them Tuesday and tell them their night is canceled due to lack
of personnel.


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David,  Thanks that would be great.  I don't have any way to move it so if
iffff you could that would be great.. Dick
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  Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2000 7:05 PM
  To: ASKC@egroups.com
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] Work party


  I finally managed to get the 25' extension ladder to my house. Let me know
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  David,  Thanks that would be great.  I don't have any way to move it so if iffff you could that would be great.. Dick

  I'll drop you an e-mail when it's there.

Hey everybody!

How many of you have come down to Powell lately for Astro Imagining 
and had the 12-inch scope dew over?  Or more recetly, freeze over?

I went down last Friday to check the Kendrick Dew Remover system.  It 
turns out that the controller unit is fried.  Literally fried!  I 
opened the unit up and the metal connectors on the circuitry was 
discolored and the plastic board around some of the chips was melted.

I plugged my controller in and checked out the heat tape itself.  
After 20 minutes, the tape was still cold to the touch on the inside, 
so it is shot also.  When the controller went, it may have taken the 
tape with it.

Monday morning I ordered a new controller unit ($70) and a 12-inch 
tape ($70) from Kendrick.  By the way, the tape that was on the 
12-inch scope was made for a 10-inch scope.  There was a 4 to 6 inch 
gap not being heated around the corrector plate.  The 12-inch tape 
uses still only uses 2.75 amps so we will be ok for power.  Who 
donated the Kendrick heater system?  Does anyone know for sure?

The controller will not be in stock till this Friday and will be 
shipped out then.

I also talked personally to Jim Kendrick and asked about powering the 
unit 24-hours a day.  He said definitely don't do it!  The unit was 
not made for that kind of usage.  Running at 24-hours a day, he said 
we were lucky to get over a years use out of it.  Here's the 
reason...........

The controller has a rotating dial from off-low-medium-high.  You'd 
think that "high" would represent 100% output and "medium" would be 
50% power output and so on, right?  Wrong!

The controller is always putting out 100% when on.  On the "high" 
setting there is constant output power to the heat tape.  At "medium" 
the output is powered at 100% for 5 seconds and then 0% for 5 seconds.  
"The power output from the controller can be varied from 40% to 100%. 
As the controller is a duty cycle switch, it controls the power 
getting to your heaters by shutting it on and off many times each 
minute. When the controller is set on low, the heaters will continue 
to draw the same amount of current, only 40% of the time." (from the 
Kendrick internet site).  So even though we turned the unit down to 
low during the day, there still was full power going through the unit 
at times.

So to keep the new unit operational for the longest period of time and 
still work for us, I am going to buy a timer and plug the converter 
(or is it inverter ???  anyway AC to DC) into it.  I'll set the timer 
to come on at 5 or 6pm and shut off at 6 or 7am.  We can still leave 
the unit on "low" when you close up, but then it wont be on all day, 
every day.

Questions, Comments, Ideas?  Contact me.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Scott Kranz 
  To: ASKC@...m 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 11:36 AM
  Subject: [ASKC] AIC info


  Hey everybody!

  How many of you have come down to Powell lately for Astro Imagining 
  and had the 12-inch scope dew over?  Or more recetly, freeze over?


  In the meantime I have a Mead dew shield for it if you want to use it until the dew zapper is fixed.

Isn't he a Board Member at Large? (or WASN'T he?)

--- In ASKC@egroups.com, "David Young" <dyoung@s...> wrote:
>   David,
> 
>   Mike's number is 913-294-2163
> 
>   Joe
> 
> 
> 
>   Thanks for the reply but it's a moot point. Mike is no longer a
member of the ASKC. He didn't renew in June and his membership
lapsed. Bummer. Mike was a kool dude!

Do we know yet when and where the midstates convention will be held?
Thanks

kathy

Mike Cofer IS a member of the ASKC. He overlooked his dues payment for a
brief period of time but has now renewed.

Gary Pittman

-----Original Message-----
From: David Preston [mailto:dpreston@...]
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 6:08 PM
To: ASKC@egroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Re: cofer


Isn't he a Board Member at Large? (or WASN'T he?)

--- In ASKC@egroups.com, "David Young" <dyoung@s...> wrote:
>   David,
>
>   Mike's number is 913-294-2163
>
>   Joe
>
>
>
>   Thanks for the reply but it's a moot point. Mike is no longer a
member of the ASKC. He didn't renew in June and his membership
lapsed. Bummer. Mike was a kool dude!



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I have an idea that tonight's star party will be cancelled. If you were planning on going down it would be a good idea to check here or call me before leaving. The predicted rain might put a damper (snicker) on the evening.

Hey David,

Did you get enough people to do the girl scout program Thursday night?

If you need another person, let me know.   I can do the program if you 
need me to.

-Scott

Kathy Machin,
The info I received from John Reed, the vice-chair of the 2001 MSRAL convention
is that  "It looks like the date will be June 8,9,10 and held at Hendrix College
in Conway."

Carroll Iorg


On 15 Nov 2000 10:58:14 -0000, you wrote:

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>There are 5 messages in this issue.
>
>Topics in this digest:
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>      1. AIC info
>           From: "Scott Kranz" <skranz@...>
>      2. Re: AIC info
>           From: "David Young" <dyoung@...>
>      3. Re: cofer
>           From: "David Preston" <dpreston@...>
>      4. midstates 2001
>           From: "Kathy Machin" <kmachin@...>
>      5. RE: Re: cofer
>           From: "Gary R. Pittman" <gary_rp@...>
>
>
>________________________________________________________________________
>________________________________________________________________________
>
>Message: 1
>   Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 17:36:38 -0000
>   From: "Scott Kranz" <skranz@...>
>Subject: AIC info
>
>Hey everybody!
>
>How many of you have come down to Powell lately for Astro Imagining 
>and had the 12-inch scope dew over?  Or more recetly, freeze over?
>
>I went down last Friday to check the Kendrick Dew Remover system.  It 
>turns out that the controller unit is fried.  Literally fried!  I 
>opened the unit up and the metal connectors on the circuitry was 
>discolored and the plastic board around some of the chips was melted.
>
>I plugged my controller in and checked out the heat tape itself.  
>After 20 minutes, the tape was still cold to the touch on the inside, 
>so it is shot also.  When the controller went, it may have taken the 
>tape with it.
>
>Monday morning I ordered a new controller unit ($70) and a 12-inch 
>tape ($70) from Kendrick.  By the way, the tape that was on the 
>12-inch scope was made for a 10-inch scope.  There was a 4 to 6 inch 
>gap not being heated around the corrector plate.  The 12-inch tape 
>uses still only uses 2.75 amps so we will be ok for power.  Who 
>donated the Kendrick heater system?  Does anyone know for sure?
>
>The controller will not be in stock till this Friday and will be 
>shipped out then.
>
>I also talked personally to Jim Kendrick and asked about powering the 
>unit 24-hours a day.  He said definitely don't do it!  The unit was 
>not made for that kind of usage.  Running at 24-hours a day, he said 
>we were lucky to get over a years use out of it.  Here's the 
>reason...........
>
>The controller has a rotating dial from off-low-medium-high.  You'd 
>think that "high" would represent 100% output and "medium" would be 
>50% power output and so on, right?  Wrong!
>
>The controller is always putting out 100% when on.  On the "high" 
>setting there is constant output power to the heat tape.  At "medium" 
>the output is powered at 100% for 5 seconds and then 0% for 5 seconds.  
>"The power output from the controller can be varied from 40% to 100%. 
>As the controller is a duty cycle switch, it controls the power 
>getting to your heaters by shutting it on and off many times each 
>minute. When the controller is set on low, the heaters will continue 
>to draw the same amount of current, only 40% of the time." (from the 
>Kendrick internet site).  So even though we turned the unit down to 
>low during the day, there still was full power going through the unit 
>at times.
>
>So to keep the new unit operational for the longest period of time and 
>still work for us, I am going to buy a timer and plug the converter 
>(or is it inverter ???  anyway AC to DC) into it.  I'll set the timer 
>to come on at 5 or 6pm and shut off at 6 or 7am.  We can still leave 
>the unit on "low" when you close up, but then it wont be on all day, 
>every day.
>
>Questions, Comments, Ideas?  Contact me.
>
>
>
>________________________________________________________________________
>________________________________________________________________________
>
>Message: 2
>   Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 16:55:00 -0600
>   From: "David Young" <dyoung@...>
>Subject: Re: AIC info
>
>
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: Scott Kranz 
>  To: ASKC@egroups.com 
>  Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 11:36 AM
>  Subject: [ASKC] AIC info
>
>
>  Hey everybody!
>
>  How many of you have come down to Powell lately for Astro Imagining 
>  and had the 12-inch scope dew over?  Or more recetly, freeze over?
>
>
>  In the meantime I have a Mead dew shield for it if you want to use it until the dew zapper is fixed.
>
>
>
>
>[This message contained attachments]
>
>
>
>________________________________________________________________________
>________________________________________________________________________
>
>Message: 3
>   Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 00:07:46 -0000
>   From: "David Preston" <dpreston@...>
>Subject: Re: cofer
>
>Isn't he a Board Member at Large? (or WASN'T he?)
>
>--- In ASKC@egroups.com, "David Young" <dyoung@s...> wrote:
>>   David,
>> 
>>   Mike's number is 913-294-2163
>> 
>>   Joe
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>   Thanks for the reply but it's a moot point. Mike is no longer a
>member of the ASKC. He didn't renew in June and his membership
>lapsed. Bummer. Mike was a kool dude!
>
>
>
>________________________________________________________________________
>________________________________________________________________________
>
>Message: 4
>   Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 18:39:02 -0600
>   From: "Kathy Machin" <kmachin@...>
>Subject: midstates 2001
>
>Do we know yet when and where the midstates convention will be held?
>Thanks
>
>kathy
>
>
>
>________________________________________________________________________
>________________________________________________________________________
>
>Message: 5
>   Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 20:50:20 -0600
>   From: "Gary R. Pittman" <gary_rp@...>
>Subject: RE: Re: cofer
>
>Mike Cofer IS a member of the ASKC. He overlooked his dues payment for a
>brief period of time but has now renewed.
>
>Gary Pittman
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: David Preston [mailto:dpreston@...]
>Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 6:08 PM
>To: ASKC@egroups.com
>Subject: [ASKC] Re: cofer
>
>
>Isn't he a Board Member at Large? (or WASN'T he?)
>
>--- In ASKC@egroups.com, "David Young" <dyoung@s...> wrote:
>>   David,
>>
>>   Mike's number is 913-294-2163
>>
>>   Joe
>>
>>
>>
>>   Thanks for the reply but it's a moot point. Mike is no longer a
>member of the ASKC. He didn't renew in June and his membership
>lapsed. Bummer. Mike was a kool dude!
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>________________________________________________________________________
>________________________________________________________________________
>
>
>

Are you talking about the one on the 16th..  dick.
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  Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 7:18 AM
  To: ASKC@egroups.com
  Subject: [ASKC] star party


  I have an idea that tonight's star party will be cancelled. If you were
planning on going down it would be a good idea to check here or call me
before leaving. The predicted rain might put a damper (snicker) on the
evening.

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Who is scheduled for Friday night? I recall that I volunteered to help out
if needed.
Friday night-Saturday morning may also be good for Leonid meteor watching.
Is anyone planning on being there all night?
Kathy

Thanks Carroll,
I needed those dates because  Dan Johnson is working on the ASKC campout in
June.
Kathy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carroll Iorg" <ciorg@...>
To: <ASKC@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Digest Number 87


> Kathy Machin,
> The info I received from John Reed, the vice-chair of the 2001 MSRAL
convention
> is that  "It looks like the date will be June 8,9,10 and held at Hendrix
College
> in Conway."
>
> Carroll Iorg
>
>

Scott:

1.
Will a light bulb produce enough heat to do the trick.  I put a heat
light w/surge protector in my dog's house to keep his water from
freezing and him of course.  For fours or more years it has done fine. 
I'm not saying a heat light is needed at Powell, but maybe a 100w bulb.

2.
Does the heater need to be on all the time?  Will a wall outlet timer be
sufficient on a hourly cycle?

Joe

Joe,

Yes a light bulb would do the trick, but light shines through all the cracks
of the "outhouse" and it would probably draw unwanted attention by teenagers
at night.  And the light would have to be shut off during imaging sessions.

No it does not need to be on 24-hours a day.....  only a couple hours before
we start and off after we are done.  I figured I'll get a heavy duty timer
to plug into the outlet andplug the converter into that.  Something like
you'd use for Christmas lights, but heavier.

-Scott

"Joseph S. Wright" wrote:

> Scott:
>
> 1.
> Will a light bulb produce enough heat to do the trick.  I put a heat
> light w/surge protector in my dog's house to keep his water from
> freezing and him of course.  For fours or more years it has done fine.
> I'm not saying a heat light is needed at Powell, but maybe a 100w bulb.
>
> 2.
> Does the heater need to be on all the time?  Will a wall outlet timer be
> sufficient on a hourly cycle?
>
> Joe
>
>
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There is a product made that can be purchased at most large farm supply stores.  It is a ceramic heating element designed to screw into a standard light bulb socket.  I believe they are made for chick incubators or some such application.  This would provide heat without light, a longer life than a lightbulb, and avoid any wear and tear on the kendrick system.

John Anderson
anderiii@...

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> Joe,
Yes a light bulb would do the trick, but light shines through all the cracks
of the "outhouse" and it would probably draw unwanted attention by teenagers
at night.  And the light would have to be shut off during imaging sessions.

No it does not need to be on 24-hours a day.....  only a couple hours before
we start and off after we are done.  I figured I'll get a heavy duty timer
to plug into the outlet andplug the converter into that.  Something like
you'd use for Christmas lights, but heavier.

-Scott

"Joseph S. Wright" wrote:

> Scott:
>
> 1.
> Will a light bulb produce enough heat to do the trick.  I put a heat
> light w/surge protector in my dog's house to keep his water from
> freezing and him of course.  For fours or more years it has done fine.
> I'm not saying a heat light is needed at Powell, but maybe a 100w bulb.
>
> 2.
> Does the heater need to be on all the time?  Will a wall outlet timer be
> sufficient on a hourly cycle?
>
> Joe
>
>
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Also consider a trip switch mounted so that whenever the lid is on, the heater is on, and vice versa. Simpler and more fool proof than a timer.

John Anderson
anderiii@...

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> Joe,
Yes a light bulb would do the trick, but light shines through all the cracks
of the "outhouse" and it would probably draw unwanted attention by teenagers
at night.  And the light would have to be shut off during imaging sessions.

No it does not need to be on 24-hours a day.....  only a couple hours before
we start and off after we are done.  I figured I'll get a heavy duty timer
to plug into the outlet andplug the converter into that.  Something like
you'd use for Christmas lights, but heavier.

-Scott

"Joseph S. Wright" wrote:

> Scott:
>
> 1.
> Will a light bulb produce enough heat to do the trick.  I put a heat
> light w/surge protector in my dog's house to keep his water from
> freezing and him of course.  For fours or more years it has done fine.
> I'm not saying a heat light is needed at Powell, but maybe a 100w bulb.
>
> 2.
> Does the heater need to be on all the time?  Will a wall outlet timer be
> sufficient on a hourly cycle?
>
> Joe
>
>
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More great light pollution news:

I got a call that there will be a story on channel 9 news tonight or 
tomorrow.  New softball/soccer complex going in at 167th & Metcalf.  10 
lighted fields. Should eat another 10 degrees of the sky to the north of 
Powell Obs.  Anybody on the light pollution committee up on this?  Sorry if 
this is old news.

Later,

Bob

Hmmm...   A pump house heater might do the trick. They are set at 40 degrees and have a heating element. The problem is it would keep the entire scope warm and it would take a while to cool down to ambient. Also wouldn't do anything for the corrector plate during an imaging session. If we need to get a new dew zapper and/or controller we might as well do it don't you think?

  Are you talking about the one on the 16th..  dick.

  naa, had another one going but they cancelled.

Tonight's star party (November 16) just cancelled. I tried to call Joe Alburty, Richard Fredrick and Dick Trentman. No answer anywhere.  

  Thursday cancelled due to clouds but I could use someone for Friday night to help Kathy Machin! It looks like it will be clear too.

David Brackey will be there, too.
Kathy

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To: <ASKC@egroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 4:59 PM
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Re: star party


  Thursday cancelled due to clouds but I could use someone for Friday night
to help Kathy Machin! It looks like it will be clear too.

i can go to the one in town tomorrow on my way into work and see if i can
pick one up
shelley

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To: ASKC@egroups.com
Subject: Re: Re: [ASKC] AIC info


There is a product made that can be purchased at most large farm supply
stores.  It is a ceramic heating element designed to screw into a standard
light bulb socket.  I believe they are made for chick incubators or some
such application.  This would provide heat without light, a longer life than
a lightbulb, and avoid any wear and tear on the kendrick system.

John Anderson
anderiii@...

ASKC@egroups.com wrote:
> Joe,
Yes a light bulb would do the trick, but light shines through all the cracks
of the "outhouse" and it would probably draw unwanted attention by teenagers
at night.  And the light would have to be shut off during imaging sessions.

No it does not need to be on 24-hours a day.....  only a couple hours before
we start and off after we are done.  I figured I'll get a heavy duty timer
to plug into the outlet andplug the converter into that.  Something like
you'd use for Christmas lights, but heavier.

-Scott

"Joseph S. Wright" wrote:

> Scott:
>
> 1.
> Will a light bulb produce enough heat to do the trick.  I put a heat
> light w/surge protector in my dog's house to keep his water from
> freezing and him of course.  For fours or more years it has done fine.
> I'm not saying a heat light is needed at Powell, but maybe a 100w bulb.
>
> 2.
> Does the heater need to be on all the time?  Will a wall outlet timer be
> sufficient on a hourly cycle?
>
> Joe
>
>
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mmmmmmm   too late

it's already been ordered and should be mid-next week

-scott

--- In ASKC@egroups.com, "David Young" <dyoung@s...> wrote:
> Hmmm...   A pump house heater might do the trick. They are set at 40 
degrees and have a heating element. The problem is it would keep the 
entire scope warm and it would take a while to cool down to ambient. 
Also wouldn't do anything for the corrector plate during an imaging 
session. If we need to get a new dew zapper and/or controller we might 
as well do it don't you think?

  Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 5:46 PM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] Re: star party


  David Brackey will be there, too.
  Kathy


  Cool! I'll concentrate on the Saturday bunch. I have 3 separate boy scout groups coming down at 5:30, 7:00 and 8:00. Bill Thompson may wander by with a 4th group. Should be an interesting evening! I hope it's clear!

Hey Nick or one of the Observatory Assistants.....

Last night again when going through the alarm conditions at Powell, it 
said "Battery Condition....Low"

If it's easy enough to replace batteries, just call me and explain how 
to replace the batteries.  Are they in the back of the unit itself?

Later!

-Scott

How many of you watched the shower last night (actually early this 
morning)?

It was bitter cold with the wind blowing, but I was out from about 
2:30 to 3:30.  I sat and watched an area encirlcled by Jupiter to the 
west, Auriga to the North, Orion to the East, and Iridanis to the 
south.  In that hole, in a hours time, I counted 12.

Seen many others in other parts of the sky.  Many bright ones all with 
a short after-trail.  Some lasted a couple seconds.  One buzzed just 
north of Capella headed due west, traveling about 30 degrees and had 
to be at least -5 or -6 magnitude.  This was at about 2:48am.

I sat on the west side of the house in the Moon's shadow, so that 
helped a little, but the sky was still plenty bright.

An hour is all i could last even with a heating blanket and hot tea.  
That darn wind just cut through everything!  Unfortunately it was from 
the NW, so it was either the wind or the Moon light to put up with.

Anyway, it was a far cry from the 1998 night at Powell Observatory 
(remember that night!!!!!!), but it was pretty nice.

-Scott

Didn't make it last night, but am going to give it a try tonight.

Jim
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To: ASKC@egroups.com <ASKC@egroups.com>
Date: Friday, November 17, 2000 9:38 AM
Subject: [ASKC] Leonids


How many of you watched the shower last night (actually early this 
morning)?

It was bitter cold with the wind blowing, but I was out from about 
2:30 to 3:30.  I sat and watched an area encirlcled by Jupiter to the 
west, Auriga to the North, Orion to the East, and Iridanis to the 
south.  In that hole, in a hours time, I counted 12.

Seen many others in other parts of the sky.  Many bright ones all with 
a short after-trail.  Some lasted a couple seconds.  One buzzed just 
north of Capella headed due west, traveling about 30 degrees and had 
to be at least -5 or -6 magnitude.  This was at about 2:48am.

I sat on the west side of the house in the Moon's shadow, so that 
helped a little, but the sky was still plenty bright.

An hour is all i could last even with a heating blanket and hot tea.  
That darn wind just cut through everything!  Unfortunately it was from 
the NW, so it was either the wind or the Moon light to put up with.

Anyway, it was a far cry from the 1998 night at Powell Observatory 
(remember that night!!!!!!), but it was pretty nice.

-Scott


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  , just call me and explain how 
  to replace the batteries.  Are they in the back of the unit itself?


  Yep.  Just get a crowbar and prise it open and pop in the new ones.

Powell is reserved tonight but it's a scout group so they will probably leave early. Moon rise is about 11:00 so it might be a good night to catch Jupiter and Saturn and a few other things.

I am confused about the ASKC reservation line. Is this supposed to be in the
Ma Bell pages, or is this just the number we give out on our fliers, etc?
Kathy

  I am confused about the ASKC reservation line. Is this supposed to be in the
  Ma Bell pages, or is this just the number we give out on our fliers, etc?
  Kathy


  Hmmm... We get a listing for Powell Observatory but we should also get a listing for the reservation line since we pay for the darn thing. The person who set up the new system should have the password, etc to make inquiry. Was that Nick or Gina?

The reservation line number should not have changed.  That's why we pay for the telebranch, which is basically a forwarding service.  The published number should be the old reservation number. When called, it forwards to David Young's phone.  David Young's phone should not be listed anywhere as reservation line.
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  To: ASKC@egroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 11:19 AM
  Subject: [ASKC] Another Question


  I am confused about the ASKC reservation line. Is this supposed to be in the
  Ma Bell pages, or is this just the number we give out on our fliers, etc?
  Kathy


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I didn't have anything to do with the phone book listing itself, but I don't know why this year it would be any different. The numbers have not changed.
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  Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 2:04 PM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] Another Question



    I am confused about the ASKC reservation line. Is this supposed to be in the
    Ma Bell pages, or is this just the number we give out on our fliers, etc?
    Kathy


    Hmmm... We get a listing for Powell Observatory but we should also get a listing for the reservation line since we pay for the darn thing. The person who set up the new system should have the password, etc to make inquiry. Was that Nick or Gina?

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Scott:

Gloria and I watched the Leonids from about midnight until about 5:30 a.m.
Friday morning from our backyard in Cleveland, MO.  We also watched from the
west side of the house and sat in the Moon's shadow.

To stay warm we wore lots of layered clothing.  I had on thermal underwear,
three pairs of socks under heavy insulated boots, two pairs or sweatpants
with a pair of wind breakers over them.  Two sweatshirts and a parka.  Over
my head I had cap and a hood from one of the sweatshirts.  My hands were
covered with thin gloves and goose down mittens over them.  I sat in a soft
deck chair with a blanket over me.

We stayed pretty warm like this for about 3 hours, then we went inside and
warmed up on hot cocoa, then back out again for another 2 hours.  I also
shot a roll of film during the last couple of hours (no luck getting meteors
on film).

We counted about 75 meteors with lots of really nice bright ones every now
and then, but no spectacular fireballs like in 1998.  Some were brighter
than Jupiter.

We had a great time, even with the cold.

Hopefully next year will be the BIG one!

Tom & Gloria Martinez

A great night at Powell last night. The first group of Tiger Cubs from Payola had been clouded out on their first night but they had a good time last night under some really nice sky. The second group of Bear Cubs ran out of gas about 8:00 but they (and the adults) had great views of Saturn, Jupiter and M-31. The third group didn't show and I found out when I got home that their driver hadn't shown up.

Thanks to Debbie and David, Joe and Rita, and Bill Thomson for braving the cold to help make a nice evening for the little people.

The sweeper at Powell seems to be belly up. Someone suggested the belt might be broken.

I have a rebooked scout group at the observatory tonight. If you would like to come down and help with the little people give me a call. Should be a nice night for observing. We had some great views of Saturn Saturday night!

Folks,

Just to alert you, a NOVA science program titled "Runaway Universe"
tonight (Tuesday) at 8PM on channel 19. About the study of the exanding
universe, cosmology. Sounds good!

Dave Hudgins

Hi all,
I am sending this to both my board of directors mailing list and the ASKC
e-groups, so please forgive the duplicate message.
At the last ASKC board meeting, we had word that the Louisburg city council
was hoping to have a lighting workshop on Nov 27.
I was a few minutes late getting to the City Council meeting last night. I
noticed that the workshop item was on the agenda and had already been
discussed. I spoke to Mayor McCandless at the break, and he advised that the
workshop had been postponed. Something about not getting the expert, I
think. The Mayor is very involved in the planning of the fourth of July
parade, and would like to have us participate-- not only in the parade, but
in the parade planning meetings. There won't be one in December, but come
January, the meetings will resume.
This is a good chance to show our involvement with Louisburg.
Kathy

Nice night at Powell tonight with some rather hyper cub scouts. Thanks to Joe Wright for the slice of pizza and the help with the little people! 

Kathy -- One of the main reasons we got that special line (913-438-3825)
years ago was so that we would have a number in the phone book.  So the
public could find us....   If we are paying for the number, we should have a
listing in the phone book...    Yes, we use it for our reservation line, but
it is also the main number for reaching us here in the Metro area.

The number was in the phone book for years.  I don't know why it's not there
any more.

Jackie

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From: Kathy Machin [mailto:kmachin@...]
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 11:20 AM
To: ASKC@egroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Another Question


I am confused about the ASKC reservation line. Is this supposed to be in the
Ma Bell pages, or is this just the number we give out on our fliers, etc?
Kathy



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Gina -- It sounds like you would be the person to call Ma Bell and find out
why we lost our listing in the phone book, and get it back in there!  Jackie

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Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 4:56 PM
To: ASKC@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Another Question


I didn't have anything to do with the phone book listing itself, but I don't
know why this year it would be any different. The numbers have not changed.
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    Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 2:04 PM
    Subject: Re: [ASKC] Another Question



        I am confused about the ASKC reservation line. Is this supposed to
be in the
        Ma Bell pages, or is this just the number we give out on our fliers,
etc?
        Kathy


        Hmmm... We get a listing for Powell Observatory but we should also
get a listing for the reservation line since we pay for the darn thing. The
person who set up the new system should have the password, etc to make
inquiry. Was that Nick or Gina?


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Hi Folks! Anybody see any aurora?   Dave

Dave I have been looking but so far nothing here. Shelley

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Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2000 7:15 PM
To: ASKC Club
Subject: [ASKC] See Any Aurora?


Hi Folks! Anybody see any aurora?   Dave



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Unfortunately, it stayed cloudy on the Missouri side almost all night. 

Jim
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Date: Sunday, November 26, 2000 7:08 PM
Subject: [ASKC] See Any Aurora?


Hi Folks! Anybody see any aurora?   Dave


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Nick asked me to post these lists. They are tentative and if you see any errors now is the time to make corrections. There are 3 MS Word files attached. If you can't read the files drop me a note and I'll convert them to something else.

At 07:14 PM 11/26/00 -0600, you wrote:
>Hi Folks! Anybody see any aurora?   Dave

I watched from about 1930 to 2100 Sunday evening at Powell.
I think I saw some (red) frequently during that period, but
it was very faint -- the sky was clear to the east but slightly
hazy to the northwest where I was looking.  I could see the
stars in the dim corner of the little dipper, as well as those
in the handle.

Roger

Just curious. What's a guy got to do to become an active member? I've been a
member since April, been to a number of meetings (though my schedule has
conflicted lately), helped with more than a few star parties and tried to be
active as much as possible. I would like to become a keyholder at some
point, but seem to be overlooked when it comes to training.

I hate to sound like I'm bellyaching here, but I get the feeling that
somehow I've missed something.

Darren J Kindberg
Secretary
Heartland Humanists
http://heartland.humanists.net
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  Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 7:28 AM
  To: ASKC@egroups.com
  Subject: [ASKC] 2001 duty nights


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  Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 12:09 PM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] 2001 duty nights


  Just curious. What's a guy got to do to become an active member? I've been a member since April, been to a number of meetings (though my schedule has conflicted lately), helped with more than a few star parties and tried to be active as much as possible. I would like to become a keyholder at some point, but seem to be overlooked when it comes to training.

  Nick has been so busy with his new job that he hasn't had time to do the training he intended to do. I posted these lists for him since he doesn't have the time or a reliable internet connection to do so himself. Perhaps I didn't make it clear that these lists were tentative and there will be many additions and switching around. Nick thought he should get the preliminary list out (ok so I've been nagging him for weeks) so we would have an idea of the team structures and staff available for star parties.


  I would love to have you on team #2 but I noticed a number of teams are short handed. I don't know what Nick intends to do about training. We have a number of long time keyholders and even a team leader that hasn't been retrained on the new equipment. Talk with any of the team leaders about joining them and I'm sure you will be assigned to a team. The club policy has been to consider someone for keyholder only after being a member for one year. This general policy is NOT written in stone and there have been several exceptions made. The observatory director submits the name(s) of potential keyholders to the board of directors for approval. I will try to remember to talk to Nick about submitting your name at the December board meeting.

  The same goes for every ASKC member! We can ALWAYS use more help! You will never be required to give a program or run the telescope. You can do whatever you feel comfortable with.

  Anyone else out there who would like to be a keyholder or just take the training for the hell of it, please let Nick know or drop me an e-mail and I'll make up a list and badger him about  ;-)

I took myself west of Tonganoxie around 12:30 - 1:30 AM Sunday
morning to get out of the major skyglow to the north.  I kept looking
hopefully at a patch of green skyglow to the northwest, but no, that
was *exactly* what it was.  No sign of any auroral activity.

I noted that a good half of the sky, including a good part of the
northern half, appeared to be semi-obscured by a high layer of thin
clouds.

Dennis

  If you haven't done so already, that a look at the Astronomy Picture of
the Day for Nov 27
  http://apod.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html
  Click on the picture to get a larger image.  It is quite beautiful, in a
ghastly sort way.

  Tom

If I interpret the data at spaceweather.com correctly, only the
northern tier of the U.S. had much of a chance at seeing an aurora
this past weekend.  They have a rather impressive picture from
Aberdeen, Scotland.

Anyway, the auroral activity was north of approximately geomagnetic
latitude 55; we are at geomagnetic latitude 49.

According to the site, the solar eruptions have been continuing on a
daily basis.  "The Nov. 26th CME joins a train of disturbances en
route to Earth.  Geomagnetic activity could become severe during the
next 24-48 hours as one shock wave after another reaches our planet."

A friend of mine went to Colorado, and from the Rockies, saw some aurora....
jackie

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From: Roger Gruenke [mailto:rgruenke@...]
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 9:35 AM
To: ASKC@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] See Any Aurora?


At 07:14 PM 11/26/00 -0600, you wrote:
>Hi Folks! Anybody see any aurora?   Dave

I watched from about 1930 to 2100 Sunday evening at Powell.
I think I saw some (red) frequently during that period, but
it was very faint -- the sky was clear to the east but slightly
hazy to the northwest where I was looking.  I could see the
stars in the dim corner of the little dipper, as well as those
in the handle.

Roger



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Darren -- If you do the keyholder training (and I know Nick will be glad to
have you) you can be on MY team -- I need another good member!

Jackie
Team Three...

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From: DJ Kindberg [mailto:kindberg@...]
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 12:10 PM
To: ASKC@egroups.com
Subject: RE: [ASKC] 2001 duty nights


Just curious. What's a guy got to do to become an active member? I've been a
member since April, been to a number of meetings (though my schedule has
conflicted lately), helped with more than a few star parties and tried to be
active as much as possible. I would like to become a keyholder at some
point, but seem to be overlooked when it comes to training.

I hate to sound like I'm bellyaching here, but I get the feeling that
somehow I've missed something.

Darren J Kindberg
Secretary
Heartland Humanists
http://heartland.humanists.net
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    To: ASKC@egroups.com
    Subject: [ASKC] 2001 duty nights


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Hello, All!

Just in case you might be interested, the author of Galileo's Daughter (a
non-fiction book), Dava Sobel, will give a talk and do a book-signing at the
Unity Temple on the Plaza, 707 W. 47th St., Tuesday night at 7:30 PM.  It is
sponsored by Rainy Day books, and it's free.  You can call them to get
tickets in advance, but I have never had much trouble getting into these
events.  I plan on walking right on in!

They will be selling the books, both soft and hard cover, if you are so
interested.

FYI!

Jackie

OK, this may not be very scientific, however, there are many of you that
will be glad I told you about THIS:  At Lowe's (the home improvement store)
in their Christmas department, they have a little electrically-lighted
observatory that is part of a collection of other buildings in a village
called "Snowtown".  They call it the "Millenium Plantarium". It sits about
8" high and is really cute.  $34.95.  They also have a snowman/astronomer to
go with it, $5.95.

So, there you have it.  Go get one!

Jackie (Happy Holidays!)

I agree Dennis.

    While we have all been excited about these giant eruptions, but that's
only half of the factor. The Solar Radiation may show storm, but we also
need the Geomagnetic field to show storm as well in order to move those
magnetic lines down south to us.  Otherwise, they just have a really
fabulous show up north.  Those two combined are how the Kp index are
derived.

http://www.maj.com/sun/noaa.html is a great site for all of the data; but I
like the following a little better:

http://www.sec.noaa.gov/SWN/   Space weather and explanations

and the POES Auroral activity monitor:
http://www.sec.noaa.gov/pmap/

The page: http://www.sec.noaa.gov/Aurora/globeNW.html shows what Kp index we
need to have to see from here.  In KC, we would need an 8 or higher.  On the
27th we rose to a 6 twice before dropping back down.

We're out peeking every night, with cameras loaded in the car though.
After all, these are only ESTIMATED.

_It could happen!_
Vic & jen

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http://www.icstars.com
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http://www.astronomicaltours.net
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http://www.astroleague.org
"May starlight always fall on your path."
----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis Budd <nitewing@...>
To: ASKC Club <ASKC@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 6:04 PM
Subject: Re: [ASKC] See Any Aurora?


> If I interpret the data at spaceweather.com correctly, only the
> northern tier of the U.S. had much of a chance at seeing an aurora
> this past weekend.  They have a rather impressive picture from
> Aberdeen, Scotland.
>
> Anyway, the auroral activity was north of approximately geomagnetic
> latitude 55; we are at geomagnetic latitude 49.
>
> According to the site, the solar eruptions have been continuing on a
> daily basis.  "The Nov. 26th CME joins a train of disturbances en
> route to Earth.  Geomagnetic activity could become severe during the
> next 24-48 hours as one shock wave after another reaches our planet."
>
>
>
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>
>
>

Thaks for all the info.  It's not that easy finding all this stuff.  Glad
you are giving it to us.

Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: Vic & Jen Winter, ICSTARS Inc. [mailto:webmaster@...]
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 10:49 PM
To: ASKC@egroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Aurora and Kp Index

I started watching around 11:00 on my back porch. I saw alot of red sky and
alot of red ribbon type aroura . I kept track of the NOAA POES satelitte and
it seemed tp peak between 12:00 and 1:00 at about 1:15 i was going to go to
bed and went to lock the bak door and the whole sky was red so i grabed the
camera and took some pics of it . It wasnt as bright as I had hoped for but
it was fun to watch. I hope my pics show more than my eyes saw. Shelley

-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis Budd [mailto:nitewing@...]
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 5:50 PM
To: ASKC Club
Subject: Re: [ASKC] See Any Aurora?


I took myself west of Tonganoxie around 12:30 - 1:30 AM Sunday
morning to get out of the major skyglow to the north.  I kept looking
hopefully at a patch of green skyglow to the northwest, but no, that
was *exactly* what it was.  No sign of any auroral activity.

I noted that a good half of the sky, including a good part of the
northern half, appeared to be semi-obscured by a high layer of thin
clouds.

Dennis




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Early Saturday morning my Kendrick dew heater failed in a manner 
similar to that described earlier this month at Powell.....

I have a 12" LX200...when the corrector plate frosted over Saturday, I 
examined the control unit of my Kendrick Dew Remover and found the 
chip in the thing literally "fried" as previously described at 
Powell...I have not yet investigated whether the heating tape still 
works, but I suspect NOT based on earlier posts to this group.  Unlike 
the one at Powell, mine did not run continuously for a year (though it 
WAS used on probably half the clear nights for the past 7 months).

Did anyone "autopsy" the tape?  I wonder whether the tape fails, and 
takes the controller with it, or is it the other way around?  It seems 
that perhaps the cool weather here in Kansas is maybe responsible for 
the failure of both my heater and the one at Powell.  Could the 
element in the tape fracture from the cold/hot cycle, short out, and 
destroy the controller?

I'm going to ask our techs to X-ray my heating tape tomorrow (guess 
I'll owe them ANOTHER favor).....any engineering folks out there know 
what to look for?

Dave Dembinski

I have Rita Mortenson's college astronomy class at Powell Thursday night at 6:30. I plan to be there but anyone else who would like to come down would be a great help!

I also have a girl scout group on Dec 1 and other scout groups on Dec 9 and, 15 and 19.

I'd like to be down there, but I have something else more pressing. As for
Dec. 9th and 19th, you already have me.

Darren J Kindberg
Secretary
Heartland Humanists
http://heartland.humanists.net
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  From: David Young [mailto:dyoung@...]
  Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 7:10 AM
  To: ASKC@egroups.com
  Subject: [ASKC] star party


  I have Rita Mortenson's college astronomy class at Powell Thursday night
at 6:30. I plan to be there but anyone else who would like to come down
would be a great help!

  I also have a girl scout group on Dec 1 and other scout groups on Dec 9
and, 15 and 19.

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At 06:10 AM 11/29/00 +0000, you wrote:
>Early Saturday morning my Kendrick dew heater failed in a manner
>similar to that described earlier this month at Powell.....
>
>I have a 12" LX200...when the corrector plate frosted over Saturday, I
>examined the control unit of my Kendrick Dew Remover and found the
>chip in the thing literally "fried" as previously described at
>Powell...I have not yet investigated whether the heating tape still
>works, but I suspect NOT based on earlier posts to this group.  Unlike
>the one at Powell, mine did not run continuously for a year (though it
>WAS used on probably half the clear nights for the past 7 months).
>
>Did anyone "autopsy" the tape?  I wonder whether the tape fails, and
>takes the controller with it, or is it the other way around?  It seems
>that perhaps the cool weather here in Kansas is maybe responsible for
>the failure of both my heater and the one at Powell.  Could the
>element in the tape fracture from the cold/hot cycle, short out, and
>destroy the controller?
>
>I'm going to ask our techs to X-ray my heating tape tomorrow (guess
>I'll owe them ANOTHER favor).....any engineering folks out there know
>what to look for?
>
>Dave Dembinski

Hi Dave,

If the wiring in the tape shorted out so that it drew significantly more
current, it could possibly be the reason the chip died.  The excess current
could then cause the short to burn through, so it looks like an open
circuit.

I'd have to look at the circuit of the controller to determine what the
possibilities are.  I assume the controller includes a transformer to
limit the voltage, and that full transformer output voltage is not harmful
to the tape.  If this is the case, the tape could have caused the problem.
Does the controller have a fuse in it?

Roger

Roger Gruenke <rgruenke@...> wrote:
Roger,

The controller plugs into a 12V source via a cigarette lighter plug.  The
controller itself has a fuse marked "5A 250V" which was NOT burned out.  My
heating tape, unlike the one at Powell, may still be OK.....I haven't had a
chance to try it in a new controller yet but there aren't any obvious breaks
or shorts in it by X-ray, at least.

-Dave

Hi Dave,

If the wiring in the tape shorted out so that it drew significantly more
current, it could possibly be the reason the chip died.  The excess current
could then cause the short to burn through, so it looks like an open
circuit.

I'd have to look at the circuit of the controller to determine what the
possibilities are.  I assume the controller includes a transformer to
limit the voltage, and that full transformer output voltage is not harmful
to the tape.  If this is the case, the tape could have caused the problem.
Does the controller have a fuse in it?

Roger



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Folks, wow, anybody with a Schmidt-Cassegrain telescope (especially an
LX200) should check out this incredible website. Tons of great
information!

http://www.mailbag.com/users/ragreiner/index.html#Index

Dave Hudgins

Gee, I thought EVERBODY knew about Doc G's great site!  Anyone who doesn't should vist it and read everything there, regardless of the type of telescope you have.  It's one of the best astronomy resources for amateurs on the web.

John
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> Folks, wow, anybody with a Schmidt-Cassegrain telescope (especially anLX200) should check out this incredible website. Tons of great
information!

http://www.mailbag.com/users/ragreiner/index.html#Index

Dave Hudgins



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John:  You're right, there is a lot of stuff at DocG's site for people who
don't own SC's.  I read David's message first and said "well, that's not for
me".  Glad you jumped in.

I quickly read the article on dewing.  I'll have to re-read it again and ask
some of you folks a few questions on this problem.

If any one has other great websites they have found, don't assume EVERYONE
knows about it.  Let us know via the e-groups.

Tom

Ladies and Gentlemen:

First of all, please forgive my transgression of the Listserv rules, but
desperate times call for desperate measures.

I'm asking for your assistance in locating an expert in Access database
files.

Specifically, I'm attempting to recover a file that was created on another
individual's computer.  The file itself is intact, but the security feature
was turned on, and I don't have the necessary user permissions.  Long sob
story of why I can't go back to the original computer and recreate the file
without the security features.

If you have suggestions or know of anyone who has the capability to bypass
the security features of an Access file, please reply _privately_ to me at
your earliest convenience.

Thank you for your patience and understanding.

Thanks.

Mike Stewart
mstewart@...
913-651-2565

Have updated the ASKC webpages to include:

1) the new December calendar of events
2) a new section on ASKC history which can be access through the link 
on the main page titled "About the ASKC".

More graphics coming for the pages.
I have also set up an area for some slide shows for astronomical 
images. If you have any that you wish to contribute, please either:
1) send me a digitized copy; 2) mail/hand carry to me a photograph
and I will digitized for you.

Still working on the awards page, and that should be completely 
updated and ready for uploading by the weekend.

Spread the word to others that you may know, that do not participate 
in the egroups mailing list.

I have a number of star parties set for December that need staffing.

Dec 9    Scouts       7:00
Dec 15  Scouts        7:00     Joe Wright has volunteered
Dec 19  Scouts        6:30     

I have tentatively booked scout groups on Jan 4 and Jan 6 pending staffing.

I will do either or both of the December nights that don't get volunteers. The January nights will be cancelled if no one volunteers. 

I will be there on Dec. 1st for asteroids and will help with the Star 
Party if needed.
I also plan to help Joe Wright on the 15th.
Joe Alburty

--- In ASKC@egroups.com, "David Young" <dyoung@s...> wrote:
> I have a number of star parties set for December that need staffing.
> 
> Dec 9    Scouts       7:00
> Dec 15  Scouts        7:00     Joe Wright has volunteered
> Dec 19  Scouts        6:30     
> 
> I have tentatively booked scout groups on Jan 4 and Jan 6 pending 
staffing.
> 
> I will do either or both of the December nights that don't get 
volunteers. The January nights will be cancelled if no one volunteers.

  uhhh.... there is no star party on the 1st. Did you mean the 9th?


  I will be there on Dec. 1st for asteroids and will help with the Star 
  Party if needed.
  I also plan to help Joe Wright on the 15th.
  Joe Alburty

  --- In ASKC@egroups.com, "David Young" <dyoung@s...> wrote:
  > I have a number of star parties set for December that need staffing.
  > 
  > Dec 9    Scouts       7:00
  > Dec 15  Scouts        7:00     Joe Wright has volunteered
  > Dec 19  Scouts        6:30     
  > 
  > I have tentatively booked scout groups on Jan 4 and Jan 6 pending 
  staffing.
  > 
  > I will do either or both of the December nights that don't get 
  volunteers. The January nights will be cancelled if no one volunteers.


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David,

I will also do the 19th.

Joe, do a good turn daily

  ---- Original Message ----- 
  From: Joseph S. Wright 
  To: ASKC@egroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 10:14 PM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] Re: star parties


  David,

  I will also do the 19th.

  Joe, do a good turn daily.

  Yeah,well you know that no good deed goes unpunished!

  Thanks Joe. Here's a reply from a new ASKC member who would like to help out. Please give him a call and get him involved on one or both of the nights you have graciously agreed to take care of.

  David:
   
  I am new to ASKC, I joined last summer, but between work and some family illness I have been unable to attend any of the meetings.
   
  As a member I would be happy to help with such star parties. I am by no means a expert in astronomy, but I will do my best. 
   
  I have a 10 "LX-200 that I would be happy to bring. 
   
  If you would like to give me a call you can reach me at night at 913-338-0808 and during the day at 816-767-7820.
   
  Thanks
   
  Dave Brockway
  14169 W 115th Terrace
  Olathe, KS 66062
   

David

10-4

Joe

December 8, 2000

Pentagon agrees to save Iridium satellites

By Robert Burns
Associated Press Military Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Pentagon, citing the prospect of "widespread
anxiety" among the American public, has found a $72 million solution 
that
averts pulling Iridium communications satellites out of their orbits. 

Instead of allowing Motorola Corp. to start de-orbiting its 70 Iridium
satellites this month, the Pentagon will put them to use. It awarded a
two-year $72 million contract to Iridium Satellite LLC of Arnold,
Md., 
to
provide unlimited airtime for 20,000 government users of hand-held
satellite telephones, including military users worldwide. 

The State Department, with 2,000 Iridium handsets, is the biggest
government user, and they also are used by the Coast Guard, the Secret
Service, the Drug Enforcement Administration and other federal 
agencies.

In announcing the contract award Wednesday, the Pentagon said it
includes options that could bring the cumulative value of the deal to 
$252
million through 2007. The deal enables Iridium Satellite to conclude 
its
purchase of the satellite network of Iridium LLC, whose primary 
financial
backer was Motorola. 

Motorola, which failed to make a commercial success of its $7 billion
Iridium satellite telephone venture, had made it known months ago
that 
it
intended to start de-orbiting the Iridium satellites unless it could 
find a
buyer. 

The deal with Iridium Satellite, under which Seattle-based Boeing Co. 
will
operate the satellite constellation, is pursuant to a Nov. 22 order
of 
the
U.S. Bankruptcy Court in southern New York. 

The Pentagon has said little publicly about its concern regarding the
de-orbiting of Iridium satellites. Although most satellite hardware 
would
burn up upon re-entering the Earth's atmosphere, the fuel tanks might 
not. 

A government study of Motorola's plan for bringing down the satellites
concluded that the risk to life and property was within federal 
guidelines --
a 1-in-10,000 chance of anyone being hurt on the ground by falling 
debris.
Yet the Clinton administration was concerned that public fears would 
be
aroused. 

"This might create widespread anxiety and lead to a public outcry for
ill-considered government action," according to a policy paper 
provided
by the Pentagon on Thursday. It also expressed concern that there is 
no
federal regulatory policy on how to handle a mass de-orbiting of 
satellites,
since it has never happened. 

"Although neither the FCC nor the executive branch believed it had any
basis for blocking the mass de-orbit, both were concerned about the
`regulatory vacuum' into which Motorola's proposed action fell," the 
paper
said. 

The Pentagon said it needs additional satellite telephone
communications. It cites the example of the USS Cole, the destroyer 
that
was attacked by terrorists in Yemen on Oct. 12. Its power was knocked 
out
temporarily and the crew had to rely on satellite phones. 

OK, Maybe it's Christmas and I shouldn't say this, but I am alone in being
very *sorry* these irritating pieces of human debris are being left up
there?

I was looking forward to getting them out of the night sky, and hopefully
discouraging other satellite builders from further needless pollution of the
sky.  Also I don't think our tax dollars should be used to bail out private
companies, but that's another issue entirely!

Well, that's my 2 cents worth, heh-heh!

Hope everyone has a great Christmas. Marianne and I are probably going to
have to miss the club get-together - sorry!! We have a family thing that I
can't easily get out of! : ^ ).
Dave



Scott Kranz wrote:

> December 8, 2000
>
> Pentagon agrees to save Iridium satellites
>
> By Robert Burns
> Associated Press Military Writer
>
> WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Pentagon, citing the prospect of "widespread
> anxiety" among the American public, has found a $72 million solution
> that
> averts pulling Iridium communications satellites out of their orbits.
>
> Instead of allowing Motorola Corp. to start de-orbiting its 70 Iridium
> satellites this month, the Pentagon will put them to use. It awarded a
> two-year $72 million contract to Iridium Satellite LLC of Arnold,
> Md.,
> to
> provide unlimited airtime for 20,000 government users of hand-held
> satellite telephones, including military users worldwide.
>
> The State Department, with 2,000 Iridium handsets, is the biggest
> government user, and they also are used by the Coast Guard, the Secret
> Service, the Drug Enforcement Administration and other federal
> agencies.
>
> In announcing the contract award Wednesday, the Pentagon said it
> includes options that could bring the cumulative value of the deal to
> $252
> million through 2007. The deal enables Iridium Satellite to conclude
> its
> purchase of the satellite network of Iridium LLC, whose primary
> financial
> backer was Motorola.
>
> Motorola, which failed to make a commercial success of its $7 billion
> Iridium satellite telephone venture, had made it known months ago
> that
> it
> intended to start de-orbiting the Iridium satellites unless it could
> find a
> buyer.
>
> The deal with Iridium Satellite, under which Seattle-based Boeing Co.
> will
> operate the satellite constellation, is pursuant to a Nov. 22 order
> of
> the
> U.S. Bankruptcy Court in southern New York.
>
> The Pentagon has said little publicly about its concern regarding the
> de-orbiting of Iridium satellites. Although most satellite hardware
> would
> burn up upon re-entering the Earth's atmosphere, the fuel tanks might
> not.
>
> A government study of Motorola's plan for bringing down the satellites
> concluded that the risk to life and property was within federal
> guidelines --
> a 1-in-10,000 chance of anyone being hurt on the ground by falling
> debris.
> Yet the Clinton administration was concerned that public fears would
> be
> aroused.
>
> "This might create widespread anxiety and lead to a public outcry for
> ill-considered government action," according to a policy paper
> provided
> by the Pentagon on Thursday. It also expressed concern that there is
> no
> federal regulatory policy on how to handle a mass de-orbiting of
> satellites,
> since it has never happened.
>
> "Although neither the FCC nor the executive branch believed it had any
> basis for blocking the mass de-orbit, both were concerned about the
> `regulatory vacuum' into which Motorola's proposed action fell," the
> paper
> said.
>
> The Pentagon said it needs additional satellite telephone
> communications. It cites the example of the USS Cole, the destroyer
> that
> was attacked by terrorists in Yemen on Oct. 12. Its power was knocked
> out
> temporarily and the crew had to rely on satellite phones.
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> ASKC-unsubscribe@egroups.com

I agree with Dave on this one.  I think of iridium flares as the beginning 
of the end.  I don't want corporations thinking that bright satellites are 
good business.  Even worse ::gulp:: giant mirrors or Coca Cola 
signs.  Since it looks like the UN is going to end up as a world 
government, maybe they can ban shiny satellites before they get around more 
sinister regulations.

Happy Holidays from the astro curmudgeon,

Bob
(Bah! Humbug!)

At 11:18 12/8/00 -0600, you wrote:
>OK, Maybe it's Christmas and I shouldn't say this, but I am alone in being
>very *sorry* these irritating pieces of human debris are being left up
>there?
>
>I was looking forward to getting them out of the night sky, and hopefully
>discouraging other satellite builders from further needless pollution of the
>sky.  Also I don't think our tax dollars should be used to bail out private
>companies, but that's another issue entirely!
>
>Well, that's my 2 cents worth, heh-heh!

I'm a little on the other side of the fence, on this one. I get a kick out of finding when they will flare and watch for them. Have had modest success in catching them on film. The advertising thing does give me the willys, though.

Have a happy holidays and keep looking up,

Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Haler <rhaler@...>
To: ASKC@egroups.com <ASKC@egroups.com>
Date: Friday, December 08, 2000 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Iridium satellites are saved!!!!


I agree with Dave on this one.  I think of iridium flares as the beginning 
of the end.  I don't want corporations thinking that bright satellites are 
good business.  Even worse ::gulp:: giant mirrors or Coca Cola 
signs.  Since it looks like the UN is going to end up as a world 
government, maybe they can ban shiny satellites before they get around more 
sinister regulations.

Happy Holidays from the astro curmudgeon,

Bob
(Bah! Humbug!)

At 11:18 12/8/00 -0600, you wrote:
>OK, Maybe it's Christmas and I shouldn't say this, but I am alone in being
>very *sorry* these irritating pieces of human debris are being left up
>there?
>
>I was looking forward to getting them out of the night sky, and hopefully
>discouraging other satellite builders from further needless pollution of the
>sky.  Also I don't think our tax dollars should be used to bail out private
>companies, but that's another issue entirely!
>
>Well, that's my 2 cents worth, heh-heh!


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I have to agree with you on both counts David. They are an irritant AND our
tax dollars should not be spent for something like this without our
approval.

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: David Hudgins [mailto:dhudgins@...]
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 11:19 AM
To: ASKC@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Iridium satellites are saved!!!!


OK, Maybe it's Christmas and I shouldn't say this, but I am alone in being
very *sorry* these irritating pieces of human debris are being left up
there?

I was looking forward to getting them out of the night sky, and hopefully
discouraging other satellite builders from further needless pollution of the
sky.  Also I don't think our tax dollars should be used to bail out private
companies, but that's another issue entirely!

Well, that's my 2 cents worth, heh-heh!

Hope everyone has a great Christmas. Marianne and I are probably going to
have to miss the club get-together - sorry!! We have a family thing that I
can't easily get out of! : ^ ).
Dave



Scott Kranz wrote:

> December 8, 2000
>
> Pentagon agrees to save Iridium satellites
>
> By Robert Burns
> Associated Press Military Writer
>
> WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Pentagon, citing the prospect of "widespread
> anxiety" among the American public, has found a $72 million solution
> that
> averts pulling Iridium communications satellites out of their orbits.
>
> Instead of allowing Motorola Corp. to start de-orbiting its 70 Iridium
> satellites this month, the Pentagon will put them to use. It awarded a
> two-year $72 million contract to Iridium Satellite LLC of Arnold,
> Md.,
> to
> provide unlimited airtime for 20,000 government users of hand-held
> satellite telephones, including military users worldwide.
>
> The State Department, with 2,000 Iridium handsets, is the biggest
> government user, and they also are used by the Coast Guard, the Secret
> Service, the Drug Enforcement Administration and other federal
> agencies.
>
> In announcing the contract award Wednesday, the Pentagon said it
> includes options that could bring the cumulative value of the deal to
> $252
> million through 2007. The deal enables Iridium Satellite to conclude
> its
> purchase of the satellite network of Iridium LLC, whose primary
> financial
> backer was Motorola.
>
> Motorola, which failed to make a commercial success of its $7 billion
> Iridium satellite telephone venture, had made it known months ago
> that
> it
> intended to start de-orbiting the Iridium satellites unless it could
> find a
> buyer.
>
> The deal with Iridium Satellite, under which Seattle-based Boeing Co.
> will
> operate the satellite constellation, is pursuant to a Nov. 22 order
> of
> the
> U.S. Bankruptcy Court in southern New York.
>
> The Pentagon has said little publicly about its concern regarding the
> de-orbiting of Iridium satellites. Although most satellite hardware
> would
> burn up upon re-entering the Earth's atmosphere, the fuel tanks might
> not.
>
> A government study of Motorola's plan for bringing down the satellites
> concluded that the risk to life and property was within federal
> guidelines --
> a 1-in-10,000 chance of anyone being hurt on the ground by falling
> debris.
> Yet the Clinton administration was concerned that public fears would
> be
> aroused.
>
> "This might create widespread anxiety and lead to a public outcry for
> ill-considered government action," according to a policy paper
> provided
> by the Pentagon on Thursday. It also expressed concern that there is
> no
> federal regulatory policy on how to handle a mass de-orbiting of
> satellites,
> since it has never happened.
>
> "Although neither the FCC nor the executive branch believed it had any
> basis for blocking the mass de-orbit, both were concerned about the
> `regulatory vacuum' into which Motorola's proposed action fell," the
> paper
> said.
>
> The Pentagon said it needs additional satellite telephone
> communications. It cites the example of the USS Cole, the destroyer
> that
> was attacked by terrorists in Yemen on Oct. 12. Its power was knocked
> out
> temporarily and the crew had to rely on satellite phones.
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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I guess I'd better get my 2 cents in here also.  The government is spending
$12,500 per person initially, then $3,600 per person every year over the
next 7 years. GULP!  Well, it's for our security, right? hmmmmmmmmmm!

Since when does the Pentagon ask our permission to spend money?

But, since they are up there, they are fun to see.  The one's in bright
twilight, with no stars visible are amazing.  I've also seen them three
times driving in to work in the morning sky.

Tom Martinez, ASKC  Historian

For those of you who have not seen this (Asteriod hunters probably already
have), this is a cool solar system 3-D simulator. Get on
http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/index.html for some really nice asteriod pics, then
click on ORBITS, scroll down and choose an asteriod, then you can watch the
asteriod and the planets orbit around the sun.  You can pan, zoom, rotate,
play with the dates, all at the same time.  Really nice.

Tom Martinez, ASKC Historian

Wow! Thanks Tom! Cool!

Try this - run the current bright comet 1999 T1 and see how CLOSE it comes to
Earth's orbit  - where we normally are in March/April. Wow, it would have been
a real sight in our skies if this comet had just been just three months later
in its perihelion date!!   Dave

Tom Martinez wrote:

> For those of you who have not seen this (Asteriod hunters probably already
> have), this is a cool solar system 3-D simulator. Get on
> http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/index.html for some really nice asteriod pics, then
> click on ORBITS, scroll down and choose an asteriod, then you can watch the
> asteriod and the planets orbit around the sun.  You can pan, zoom, rotate,
> play with the dates, all at the same time.  Really nice.
>
> Tom Martinez, ASKC Historian
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A friend wanted a new computer and bid on 3 of them at RSO a couple of weeks ago. As luck would have it, he got all three. He's latched onto one for himself and sold another one. He still has one left that he wants to sell. The computer is a Compaq with an AMDK6 processor at 450mz. 128 meg ram 10 gig hard drive, cd, 3.5" floppy, sound card, video card/monitor resolution 32 high bit.If anyone is interested call Rick at 432-1209. I think he's asking $400 for it. I set it up for him since RSO wipes the drives clean when they sell them. Works great and is faster than my machine.

Hey you want to see the International Space Station?

Here are evening time crossings over the KC area for the next 
couple days.....

Monday, Dec. 11
Rise in the SW at 6:34
Highest altitude in the ENE at 6:39 at 88 degrees altitude
Setting in NE at 6:44

Tuesday, Dec. 12
Rise in the SSW at 5:32
Highest altitude in the SE at 5:37 at 32 degrees altitude
Setting in ENE at 5:42

Wednesday, Dec. 13
Rise in the WSW at 6:07
Highest altitude in the NW at 6:12 at 54 degrees altitude
Setting in NE at 6:17

If any of you receive an e-mail from me with a Shockwave file attach, DO NOT OPEN IT!  It's an e-mail virus that was sent me by someone I know and now it's mailing itself to everyone in my address book.

I'm sorry!!  I'm trying to fix it, but in the meantime, delete the shockwave messages.

Gina

Gina:  I recieved 6 of those messages.  As soon as I saw it was an exe file,
I deleted them.  I don't open any exe file, even from someone I know, and
this shows why.  The following web address shows what this particular virus
is and does:
http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.prolin.worm.html

Tom
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Gina Fedon [mailto:antares@...]

  If any of you receive an e-mail from me with a Shockwave file attach, DO
NOT OPEN IT!

--- In ASKC@egroups.com, "Gina Fedon" <antares@e...> wrote:
> If any of you receive an e-mail from me with a Shockwave file 
attach, DO NOT OPEN IT!  It's an e-mail virus that was sent me by 
someone I know and now it's mailing itself to everyone in my address 
book.
> 
> I'm sorry!!  I'm trying to fix it, but in the meantime, delete the 
shockwave messages.
> 
   I  received two copies of the virus and will see about deleting 
it..........Thanks     BillGina

My immediate tip off was the presence of more than one copy of the message. The last time I received a virus via e-mail there was only one message.  If I get an e-mail from someone with an .exe attached, I move it over to another machine and open it there to see what happens. I run a virus checker but a new one might slip by. Simply dumping all .exe files is the safest way and easiest way but I want to see most of those files. Tis the season for a lot of funny little .exe stuff to be floating around. I love last year's elf bowling and this year's elf shuffleboard. If any of you should happen to get an exe file that says it's from me, all e-mail with .exe attached that are sent by me will have the following tag line added to the end of the message.     for fun askc

I don't think may virus writters will add that line their messages. It's unlikely any of us would be sending large .exe files without them having been requested but its a good idea to remain wary.

 Thanks Tom for the information!

Well, this has certainly raised my caution level to a new high! The
virus got me, and it took me over two hours to get it cleared up.
Fortunately i don't use the MS Outlook so at least it didn't send all my
friends the virus. But that was just plain luck. A funny thing in this
case, when I first saw the exe file I downloaded it to a separate disk
and did a McAfee virus scan. It was only a month old version, and yet it
did *not* detect this new virus. So I ran it. Zap! After getting the
warning here, I downloaded an updated McAfee and it immediately detected
the problem.

Anyway, yep, I will never open another exe file again without positive
confirmation from where it came from. Good suggestions from David Young
too.  Dave

Tom Martinez wrote:

> Gina:  I recieved 6 of those messages.  As soon as I saw it was an exe
> file, I deleted them.  I don't open any exe file, even from someone I
> know, and this shows why.  The following web address shows what this
> particular virus is and
> does:http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.prolin.worm.htmlTom
>
>      -----Original Message-----
>      From: Gina Fedon [mailto:antares@...]
>      If any of you receive an e-mail from me with a Shockwave
>      file attach, DO NOT OPEN IT!
>
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FLASH
FLASH
FLASH

The star party for Friday night (DEC 15th) has just been cancelled.

Thanks to those of you that volunteered to help.

Joe

Kathy,Are we still on for the X-Mas party if its a blizzard tommorow? Just
want to know early ..Shelley

Shelley,

The radio just said that your kids are getting out of school at 
1:30......run away!!!!!!

I DID!!!

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Haler [mailto:rhaler@...]
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 10:30 AM
To: ASKC@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Party


Shelley,

The radio just said that your kids are getting out of school at 
1:30......run away!!!!!!



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Shelley,
It is a board meeting night per vote of the board. And, it was published in
the newsletter. We probably can't cancel without notice or something. But no
one should risk life and limb and car to come to a party/board meeting in a
really nasty blizzard. If we don't get a quorum, so be it.
Gil and I hope to get there about 5 pm to help set up stuff and get the
apple cider hot. If we get there and can't get home, at least we'll have a
barn in which to spend the night. And plenty of cider and cookies.
Kathy

----- Original Message -----
From: "Shelley Granger" <grangers@...>
To: "ASKC" <ASKC@egroups.com>
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 8:45 AM
Subject: [ASKC] Party


> Kathy,Are we still on for the X-Mas party if its a blizzard tommorow? Just
> want to know early ..Shelley
>
>
>
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The group for December 19 just canceled due to weather. There are no more none member bookings for December and I will not accept any none member bookings for December.  Nick has December 21.

I have groups on Jan 4 and Jan 6

I have requests for someone to help out inside a star lab at schools in the evening on Jan 18 and Jan 23 if anyone is interested.

Sorry folks. Gas well crisis in progress and I can't make the meeting. Would someone give me a general idea of how things are shapping up?

Anyone belonging to the shallow-sky maillist, let it be known that 
some individual deliberately sent an attached virus to the maillist.
Others have reported that on some of the other astronomical maillists, 
the "spammed virus" showed up there also. The virus is the
W32/ProLin@MM virus. More information about it can be found at:
http://vil.nai.com/vil/virusSummary.asp?virus_k=98909
I had 4 other maillist postings, where people were apparently unaware 
they had picked it up, and posted messages to the group with it 
attached to their messages. McAfee's rates it at HIGH risk. My virus 
program hit it immediately and deleted it. 
Just a word of caution!

> the "spammed virus" showed up there also. The virus is the
> W32/ProLin@MM virus. More information about it can be found at:
> http://vil.nai.com/vil/virusSummary.asp?virus_k=98909

Ooopps! Wrong virus listed. The correct one is:
W32/Hybris.gen@M 
which information can be found at:
http://vil.nai.com/vil/virusSummary.asp?virus_k=98873

The viruses are running wild.  I just got one in an e-mail that Norton's
just caught.  It came in a message from Hahaha with the subject: Snowhite
and the Seven Dwarfs - The REAL Story, and an attached file called joke.exe.
More info on:
http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w95.hybris.gen.html

Tom

Hello!

Due to the recent virus activity in some e-mail lists and following a suggestions from Rob  Robinson, I disabled file attachments in both ASKC and ASKCasteroids.  That means that if you send an e-mail with an attachment, the attachment will be stripped, while the e-mail text will be posted as usual.

If you do want to share a file (a picture, a Sky data file, etc.) you can upload it to the file area of the egroup and let the group know it's there, available for download.  That way we all have a little more control on what files hit our machines.

However, if you think we should go back to allowing e-mail attachments, I'm open to suggestions.  Opinions?

Thank you and happy holidays!

Gina
 


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My email address has changed. I am no longer using sky.net. My new address is mkirk37@....

Melissa Kirk


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Hey all,

Does anyone have a photo of the observatory that I can use in a new
flier to distributed to all the scout troops in the area.  I previouly
used an elevation drawing and made the flier in Autocad.  It was okay,
but I want something better.  There is about 35 or so troops in my
district and about ten districts in the council that have a potential of
receiving the flier.  I'm sure there are similar numbers in the Girl
Scouts.

Thanks,

Joe

Joeseph,  Here are two digital photos I took about 5 weeks ago and if it
would work you are certainly welcome to use them.  Dick Trentman

I just got Gina's message about not allowing any attachments through
egroups.  Let me know if you get these .JPG attachments if not please send
me your email address so I can send these to you. Thanks..Dick


Joseph S. Wright []


-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph S. Wright [mailto:bsa87joe@...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2000 11:04 PM
To: ASKC@egroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Photo


Hey all,

Does anyone have a photo of the observatory that I can use in a new
flier to distributed to all the scout troops in the area.  I previouly
used an elevation drawing and made the flier in Autocad.  It was okay,
but I want something better.  There is about 35 or so troops in my
district and about ten districts in the council that have a potential of
receiving the flier.  I'm sure there are similar numbers in the Girl
Scouts.

Thanks,

Joe


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  Due to the recent virus activity in some e-mail lists and following a suggestions from Rob  Robinson, I disabled file attachments in both ASKC and ASKCasteroids.

  I think you (and Robby?) have hit upon the correct solution. I don't think it is a good idea in general to broadcast attachments to the entire group. Some members of the group may not want to fiddle with big attachments in the first place. An announcement that a file is available is a better idea. Those with slow connections won't have a computer tied up for ages downloading something they have no interest in. Thanks for the good work!


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Dick,

No, .jpg files don't go through... But you can very easily  upload them to the file area in the askc egroup where everyone can download them.

I hope this change won't inconvenience any members too much:  it's for the best, I think! :-)

Merry Christmas,

Gina

---- Original Message ----- 
  From: dtrent 
  To: ASKC@egroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 8:57 AM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] Photo


  Joeseph,  Here are two digital photos I took about 5 weeks ago and if it
  would work you are certainly welcome to use them.  Dick Trentman

  I just got Gina's message about not allowing any attachments through
  egroups.  Let me know if you get these .JPG attachments if not please send
  me your email address so I can send these to you. Thanks..Dick


  Joseph S. Wright []


  -----Original Message-----
  From: Joseph S. Wright [mailto:bsa87joe@...]
  Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2000 11:04 PM
  To: ASKC@egroups.com
  Subject: [ASKC] Photo


  Hey all,

  Does anyone have a photo of the observatory that I can use in a new
  flier to distributed to all the scout troops in the area.  I previouly
  used an elevation drawing and made the flier in Autocad.  It was okay,
  but I want something better.  There is about 35 or so troops in my
  district and about ten districts in the council that have a potential of
  receiving the flier.  I'm sure there are similar numbers in the Girl
  Scouts.

  Thanks,

  Joe


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Thanks for the update Melissa. I'll get your new e-mail address in the next
update of the ASKC E-Mail Directory.

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: John and Melissa Kirk [mailto:mkirk37@...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2000 10:04 PM
To: askc@egroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] New email address


My email address has changed. I am no longer using sky.net. My new address
is mkirk37@....

Melissa Kirk


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I seem to have 3 e-mail addresses for Gary Pittman in my address book. Which two should I delete?


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Gina, I understand the problem you have been having.  A few weeks ago I
tried to access egroups and was denied. I havn't visited the site for
uploading files yet but will some time after the holidays when I have some
time to go back and check on my access/password for egroups.  I had to
rebuild my email some time after I had joined egroups and don't have the
info available.  I sent the pictures to Joseph's direct email
[bsa87joe@... ]  also and hope he was able to get it.  Is this
address of his blocked by egroups also?  Dick

-----Original Message-----
From: Gina Fedon [mailto:antares@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 8:36 PM
To: ASKC@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Photo


Dick,

No, .jpg files don't go through... But you can very easily  upload them to
the file area in the askc egroup where everyone can download them.

I hope this change won't inconvenience any members too much:  it's for the
best, I think! :-)

Merry Christmas,

Gina

---- Original Message -----
  From: dtrent
  To: ASKC@egroups.com
  Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 8:57 AM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] Photo


  Joeseph,  Here are two digital photos I took about 5 weeks ago and if it
  would work you are certainly welcome to use them.  Dick Trentman

  I just got Gina's message about not allowing any attachments through
  egroups.  Let me know if you get these .JPG attachments if not please send
  me your email address so I can send these to you. Thanks..Dick


  Joseph S. Wright []


  -----Original Message-----
  From: Joseph S. Wright [mailto:bsa87joe@...]
  Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2000 11:04 PM
  To: ASKC@egroups.com
  Subject: [ASKC] Photo


  Hey all,

  Does anyone have a photo of the observatory that I can use in a new
  flier to distributed to all the scout troops in the area.  I previouly
  used an elevation drawing and made the flier in Autocad.  It was okay,
  but I want something better.  There is about 35 or so troops in my
  district and about ten districts in the council that have a potential of
  receiving the flier.  I'm sure there are similar numbers in the Girl
  Scouts.

  Thanks,

  Joe


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Well, nobody is blocked from egroups, but nobody, myself included, can send file attachments with their email.  If you sent the photo directly to Joe, he should get it, because I'm pretty sure that's the correct address.

Bye,

Gina
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: dtrent 
  To: ASKC@egroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2000 12:09 AM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] Photo


  info available.  I sent the pictures to Joseph's direct email
  [bsa87joe@... ]  also and hope he was able to get it.  Is this
  address of his blocked by egroups also?  


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I've started to get a few Christmas cards back. Would someone give me the current address for 

Johnny Allen
Charles Eberhart
D J Kindberg


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Thanks Gina,
I wasn't sure how egroups was set up for access control.  Maybe I will hear
from Joe on whether he got it directly.  As you say it should.  Thanks
again.  Dick

-----Original Message-----
From: Gina Fedon [mailto:antares@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2000 12:49 AM
To: ASKC@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Photo


Well, nobody is blocked from egroups, but nobody, myself included, can send
file attachments with their email.  If you sent the photo directly to Joe,
he should get it, because I'm pretty sure that's the correct address.

Bye,

Gina
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: dtrent
  To: ASKC@egroups.com
  Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2000 12:09 AM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] Photo


  info available.  I sent the pictures to Joseph's direct email
  [bsa87joe@... ]  also and hope he was able to get it.  Is this
  address of his blocked by egroups also?


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The correct one is: gary_rp@...

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 11:17 PM
To: ASKC@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] New email address


I seem to have 3 e-mail addresses for Gary Pittman in my address book. Which
two should I delete?


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Johnny & Pat Allen
25122 Lone Pine Dr.
Cleveland, MO 64734-9062
(816) 618-7035--This address should have been in the last supplement I
mailed.

Last known address for Charles & Helen Eberhart
690 Mason Headley Rd., Apt. 231
Lexington, KY 40504-2337

Darren & Debbie Kindberg
9534 Connell Dr.
Overland Park, KS 66212-5120
(913)541-2461

Merry Christmas

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2000 8:28 AM
To: ASKC@egroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] addresses


I've started to get a few Christmas cards back. Would someone give me the
current address for

Johnny Allen
Charles Eberhart
D J Kindberg


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Just want to wish all of you ASKC'ers a very Merry Christmas and a joyous
2001.

Linda and Gary Pittman

Dick,

Got both pictures.

Thanks

Joe

Gary Pittman wrote:
> 
> Just want to wish all of you ASKC'ers a very Merry Christmas and a joyous
> 2001.
> 
> Linda and Gary Pittman
> 
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Gary,

Merry Christmas to you and your family and the whole club.  May you all
have safe and Happy New Year.

Hey, where is all the hub bub about the real millinium?

Joe

Hello Folks!
Marianne and I want to wish everyone a Happy Holidays, Merry Christmas,
or Happy Chanukah -whichever best applies- to each of you! We were
sorry to miss the Christmas party due to a family commitment, but I'm
sure it was fun!

With this bitter cold weather I have been suffering from the APD's
(Marianne calls it Acute Photon Deprivation), and have discovered a
relaxing but desparate remedy....no joke this woks better than I
expected!! I set up my little 80mm short focus refractor at our upstairs
big picture window (double insulated glass), and have a great view of
Orion and the Eastern sky. Surprising how well this works at low 16 to
40 power! A cup of coffee, observing books, pajamas, binocs or small
scope - and heck those  wide double stars clusters, and bright nebula
look pretty good - even  from here in suburbia! Hey, a little Ameretto
in the coffee, and we have a real winter-time attitude adjustor!

Best wishes to everyone!   Dave & Marianne Hudgins

Hi Folks! Does anyone know anything about how our club got the Optec
photometer which is among the equipment at Powell Observatory?
Dave

I think was bought quite a few years ago, either during the outfiting of
Powell or shortly after.

                                                                        Gil
----- Original Message -----
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To: "ASKC Club" <ASKC@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 25, 2000 12:57 PM
Subject: [ASKC] Origin of Club Photometer?


: Hi Folks! Does anyone know anything about how our club got the Optec
: photometer which is among the equipment at Powell Observatory?
: Dave
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Hi!

I'm not sure we will yet, but if we were to sell our 10" LX200 with tripod and superwedge for $2,100, and our ST7e CCD camera with CFW8 color wheel and 3.3 focal reducer for $3,100, would anyone be interested?

We're considering upgrading our equipment.

Bye,

Gina





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Okay Joe, I'll take a bite.  What do you mean by all the hub bub about the
real millenium?

-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph S. Wright [mailto:bsa87joe@...]

Hey, where is all the hub bub about the real millinium?

Joe

Anybody get to see anything of the eclipse?
We figured it was going to be too cloudy, but actually managed a glimpse or
two around 11:40. The clouds made a decent filter.
kathy

I'm sure not many people consider chasing a partial eclipse, but that's what we ended up doing.  
 
With the whole mid-west were socked-in for days, we didn't have big expectations.  We saw the sun only briefly at sunrise and then it was gone.  That didn't keep us from poking a wanton eye out the window to peek for a glimpse every few minutes.  By 10:00 CST, the family was finished with Christmas cheer and we began to see thin patches in our wall of clouds.  By 10:30, we were outside with eclipse shades for a few brief moments of excitement before it was gone.  The patchy holes were replaced by thick overcast.  But then we noticed on the southern horizon, a band of blue perhaps 10 degrees high.  We bumbled around and grabbed equipment in a mad dash.  By the point of maximum eclipse around 11:10, we were tossing all our equipment into the new van for a mad dash south.  We were fortunate to have clear roads and a semi-stable clearing line due to cross our path down 69 highway.  I peeked through eclipse shades at the patchy sky while Vic drove. Abouth 40 miles later, we pulled to an exit by the LaCyne Power Plant and jumped from the car under excruciatingly poor seeing, but a clear sky nonetheless.  The temp was around 10 deg C. and the wind blew at nearly 20mph, shaking the van, the roadsigns and blowing snow.  Vic burned about 30 exposures with the Moxzutov 500, a thousand oaks and a tripod before the sucker-hole slowly closed up around us.  We only caught it at about 20% obscuration, but we CAUGHT IT!

Cool!

Vic & Jen 
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Saw no sucker holes over here Kathy.

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: Kathy Machin [mailto:kmachin@...]
Sent: Monday, December 25, 2000 10:44 PM
To: ASKC@egroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] partial eclipse


Anybody get to see anything of the eclipse?
We figured it was going to be too cloudy, but actually managed a glimpse or
two around 11:40. The clouds made a decent filter.
kathy



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Uhhhhhhhh... You must have missed it last year Joe.


> 
> Hey, where is all the hub bub about the real millinium?
> 
> Joe

We lucked out here in Cleveland, MO.  We saw the eclipsed sun between
partial cloud covering. After I ran in and got my camera equipent,  I took
about a half a roll of pictures, but through thin clouds.  This is the first
time I've taken pics of a partial eclipse with just the clouds acting as a
filter.  I'll process them today and let you know if anything came out.

-----Original Message-----
From: Kathy Machin [mailto:kmachin@...]
Sent: Monday, December 25, 2000 10:44 PM
To: ASKC@egroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] partial eclipse


Anybody get to see anything of the eclipse?
We figured it was going to be too cloudy, but actually managed a glimpse or
two around 11:40. The clouds made a decent filter.
kathy

Okay, its time to have fun.

Question.  How many of you think the new millenium started Jan 1, 2000?
How many think its not until Jan 1, 2001?

Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: rett alonzi [mailto:ralonzi@...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2000 12:19 PM
To: ASKC@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Ho Ho Ho!


Uhhhhhhhh... You must have missed it last year Joe.

The Awards Page is now complete. If your name is missing, let me
know. The only list I had to go by, was the 2000 Directory. I know 
there have been some awards given out since then. Let me know and I 
will add the new names.

There is a slide show now on the webpage. I dug around and found some 
very old photos from Powell observatory (1991 eclipse maybe?). Since 
the photos were of somewhat poor quality because of age, some 
retouching was needed, but this is an example of what can be done
with photos - if you have any, get them to me.

The January Calendar, has been sent to me from Elizabeth, and it 
should be in place in the next day or so.

Happy Holidays!

My wife and I have gone around and around on that one. I say 2001 and she thinks it's already here. 

Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Martinez <martinez@...>
To: ASKC@egroups.com <ASKC@egroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, December 26, 2000 12:45 PM
Subject: RE: [ASKC] Ho Ho Ho!


Okay, its time to have fun.

Question.  How many of you think the new millenium started Jan 1, 2000?
How many think its not until Jan 1, 2001?

Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: rett alonzi [mailto:ralonzi@...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2000 12:19 PM
To: ASKC@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Ho Ho Ho!


Uhhhhhhhh... You must have missed it last year Joe.


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East of Kansas City we got nary a sniff of good ole Sol. Sure could use a warming trend. Haven't had the scopes out since Thanksgiving, although tomorrow has possibilities.

Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Martinez <martinez@...>
To: ASKC@egroups.com <ASKC@egroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, December 26, 2000 12:41 PM
Subject: RE: [ASKC] partial eclipse


We lucked out here in Cleveland, MO.  We saw the eclipsed sun between
partial cloud covering. After I ran in and got my camera equipent,  I took
about a half a roll of pictures, but through thin clouds.  This is the first
time I've taken pics of a partial eclipse with just the clouds acting as a
filter.  I'll process them today and let you know if anything came out.

-----Original Message-----
From: Kathy Machin [mailto:kmachin@...]
Sent: Monday, December 25, 2000 10:44 PM
To: ASKC@egroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] partial eclipse


Anybody get to see anything of the eclipse?
We figured it was going to be too cloudy, but actually managed a glimpse or
two around 11:40. The clouds made a decent filter.
kathy



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I go with Arthur C Clarke. It starts on January 1, 2001, because the count
for Anno Domini started 1. Really, does it matter? So what if 1 BC is
thought of as 0 AD? Popular opinion has it that 2000 was the beginning. As
the beginning of the millenium is not an earth shattering event, I'm willing
to let it go.

Darren J Kindberg
Secretary
Heartland Humanists
http://heartland.humanists.net


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Martinez [mailto:martinez@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2000 12:47 PM
> To: ASKC@egroups.com
> Subject: RE: [ASKC] Ho Ho Ho!
>
>
> Okay, its time to have fun.
>
> Question.  How many of you think the new millenium started Jan 1, 2000?
> How many think its not until Jan 1, 2001?
>
> Tom
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rett alonzi [mailto:ralonzi@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2000 12:19 PM
> To: ASKC@egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [ASKC] Ho Ho Ho!
>
>
> Uhhhhhhhh... You must have missed it last year Joe.
>
>
>
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  To: ASKC@egroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2000 1:08 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] Webpage Updates


  The Awards Page is now complete. Since 
  the photos were of somewhat poor quality because of age, some 
  retouching was needed, but this is an example of what can be done
  with photos - if you have any, get them to me

  It's amazing what you can do with photoshop or some of the lesser software. Marcia spends a lot of time at work "fixing" photographs. There's just nothing she can't do with a photo. Take stuff out, put stuff in, change colors, remove cracks, glares, etc. She tried to show me how to do some stuff one time but it was over my head. I guess if I spent a few hundred hours at it I'd finally figure it out!

  The web page is looking great!!!


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  Okay, its time to have fun.

  Question.  How many of you think the new millenium started Jan 1, 2000?
  How many think its not until Jan 1, 2001?


  January 1, 2001



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I have too much common sense to believe that 2001 is a new millenium.  That
just makes no sense to me.  Time has to start at zero... not one!

> Okay, its time to have fun.
>
> Question.  How many of you think the new millenium started Jan 1, 2000?
> How many think its not until Jan 1, 2001?

I'll join in since I wasn't here last year.

If the "that's the way we've always done it" argument is of any use, the new
millenium starts on January 1, 2001.

The last millenium was celebrated on January 1, 1901.  Since there wasn't a
Year Zero, the one thousandth year ends at the end of the x000 numbered
year.  Thus, the new millenium starts on January 1, x001.

"Although January 1, 2000, has a millennial ring to it, the new age actually
begins on a less resounding date: January 1, 2001. Common sense might
suggest that the year 2000 is the dawning of the third millennium, but it is
in fact the waning of the second.

The first millennium began in A.D. 1. There is no year zero in our calendar:
the sequence of years passes directly from 1 B.C. to A.D. 1. Adding a
thousand years to the year 1 equals the year 1001, marking the start of the
second millennium. Add another thousand to reach the beginning of the third
millennium: January 1, 2001."

All the media hype from last year didn't help.

Tom, is that enough gasoline on the fire?

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Martinez [mailto:martinez@...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2000 12:47 PM
To: ASKC@egroups.com
Subject: RE: [ASKC] Ho Ho Ho!


Okay, its time to have fun.

Question.  How many of you think the new millenium started Jan 1, 2000?
How many think its not until Jan 1, 2001?

Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: rett alonzi [mailto:ralonzi@...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2000 12:19 PM
To: ASKC@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Ho Ho Ho!


Uhhhhhhhh... You must have missed it last year Joe.



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I'd say that according our current calendar, it would have to start with Jan. 1, 2001, since we don't have a year 0.

Since the year 1 was in the 1st century, and by definition there are 100 year in a century (and 10 centuries in a millennium), then the year 100 was still in the 1st century.  The 2nd century therefore started in 101, etc.


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Tom Martinez 
  To: ASKC@egroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2000 12:47 PM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] Ho Ho Ho!


  Okay, its time to have fun.

  Question.  How many of you think the new millenium started Jan 1, 2000?
  How many think its not until Jan 1, 2001?

  Tom

  -----Original Message-----
  From: rett alonzi [mailto:ralonzi@...]
  Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2000 12:19 PM
  To: ASKC@egroups.com
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] Ho Ho Ho!


  Uhhhhhhhh... You must have missed it last year Joe.


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Time may start at 0, but the calendar doesn't ;-) 

Technically, you could say that time starts at that infinitely small moment right after 0.  At 0 there is nothing, not even time, I think, 0 being nothingness by definition.  Or not?
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: rett alonzi 
  To: ASKC@egroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2000 4:40 PM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] Ho Ho Ho!


  I have too much common sense to believe that 2001 is a new millenium.  That
  just makes no sense to me.  Time has to start at zero... not one!

  > Okay, its time to have fun.
  >
  > Question.  How many of you think the new millenium started Jan 1, 2000?
  > How many think its not until Jan 1, 2001?



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Of course we didn't have a year zero, but the first year still had to have
its starting point at zero.

The AD timeline started at zero...  then came the first few seconds ticking
off the clock, at the start of year one...
then the first day ended, still during year one...
then the first month ended, in year one... etc

Only after 365 days passed during the first year, was the AD timeline one
year old.

Common sense tells me,  the number of our AD date is not the date that we
annually celebrate looking into the future year ahead, but rather we are
celebrating  the number of years the timeline has already passed behind us.

Heck, when a baby is born, the first birthday party is after the first year
has passed... same scenario.


rett


> I'd say that according our current calendar, it would have to start with
Jan. 1, 2001, since we don't have a year 0.

That's the point:  from the very start it was called "year 1."  You don't wait until Dec. 31, 1 to call it year 1.  It was year 1 all the way from Jan. 1st.  The A.D. timeline doesn't start at 0.  You go from 11:59pm of the year 1 B.C. to 12:00am of the year 1 A.D., according to our current calendar.

But in any case, even admitting a 0 moment, you'd have to count to the end of 2000 FULL years, ending with Dec. 31, 2000, to have a millennium behind you.  You are right:  a child is not 1 year old until 12 full months have passed.  Likewise, you are not 2000 years old until 2000 full years have passed (24,000 months), which is Dec. 31, 2000.  

That's my take on it. :-)
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: rett alonzi 
  To: ASKC@egroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2000 6:50 PM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] Ho Ho Ho! Millenium mania

  The AD timeline started at zero...  then came the first few seconds ticking
  off the clock, at the start of year one...
  then the first day ended, still during year one...
  then the first month ended, in year one... etc




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Well Geeeze you should have dropped by and picked up Vic's jacket while you
were out this way:) I never did see a clear spot here but my mother said it
was nice at her house and they saw quite abit. I should have left a little
sooner:( Shelley

-----Original Message-----
From: Vic & Jen Winter, ICSTARS Inc. [mailto:webmaster@...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2000 1:01 AM
To: ASKC@egroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Eclipse Chasing !!!


I'm sure not many people consider chasing a partial eclipse, but that's what
we ended up doing.

With the whole mid-west were socked-in for days, we didn't have big
expectations.  We saw the sun only briefly at sunrise and then it was gone.
That didn't keep us from poking a wanton eye out the window to peek for a
glimpse every few minutes.  By 10:00 CST, the family was finished with
Christmas cheer and we began to see thin patches in our wall of clouds.  By
10:30, we were outside with eclipse shades for a few brief moments of
excitement before it was gone.  The patchy holes were replaced by thick
overcast.  But then we noticed on the southern horizon, a band of blue
perhaps 10 degrees high.  We bumbled around and grabbed equipment in a mad
dash.  By the point of maximum eclipse around 11:10, we were tossing all our
equipment into the new van for a mad dash south.  We were fortunate to have
clear roads and a semi-stable clearing line due to cross our path down 69
highway.  I peeked through eclipse shades at the patchy sky while Vic drove.
Abouth 40 miles later, we pulled to an exit by the LaCyne Power Plant and
jumped from the car under excruciatingly poor seeing, but a clear sky
nonetheless.  The temp was around 10 deg C. and the wind blew at nearly
20mph, shaking the van, the roadsigns and blowing snow.  Vic burned about 30
exposures with the Moxzutov 500, a thousand oaks and a tripod before the
sucker-hole slowly closed up around us.  We only caught it at about 20%
obscuration, but we CAUGHT IT!

Cool!

Vic & Jen
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Tom,
Jan 1, 2000
It's time to get this ancient calendar stuff up-to-date . Those Europeans
who set up our calendar did so before they got the concept of the number
zero from the Arabians. Put it back in. Grumble.

From what I've read, the calendar based the AD concept didn't get started
until the 500's or later, when some Bishop(?) or other counted back in time
and gave it his best guess. (The ancient Romans did something similar, with
a system of counting years after the foundation of the city of Rome. Whoever
picked that start date went back far enough that nobody could prove the date
was wrong. Or cared.  I think some of the ancient Chinese did the same type
thing.)

The original establishment of the AD date is almost certainly off by several
years due to the difficulty of reconstructing historical timelines with poor
records, bad translations and contradictory dates. The 2nd thousand years
probably ended 6-8 years ago if the years now known to be miscalculated are
added back in.
So, this is all arbitrary. Anyway, it seems the ancient custom in counting
time frequently was based on a ruler's reign. When a new ruler took over, it
was immediately year one.  In slightly different terminology, we would be
saying, "in the first year" meaning, zero to completion of a year. At the
end of year one, you start year two. So at your first anniversary  party,
you are celebrating starting on your second year (only one day in, to be
sure). One year and one day is being in your second year. So, it would be
"in the 2nd year of King Pipesbroke, it was so cold.that....".  Meaning more
than one, less than two years of rule completed.

So, at the last day "in the 9th year", we have completed 8 years and 364
days. The next day, you start the 10th year.  You celebrate completion of 9,
but you are starting 10.
Following this logic, in this the 2000th year, we have completed 1999 but
not yet 2000 years.
We start the third millenium after we complete 2000 years. So January 1,
2001 is the start of the 21st century and third millenium.

After this 'brilliant' exposition, I still opt for the January 1, 2000
date.(Hey, the party last year was fun.;-))      It completely defies logic
and history, but 1/1/2000 "feels better".
Similar to hoping that we are in a closed universe and knowing that the
evidence says otherwise.

HO HO HO
Kathy



----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Martinez" <martinez@...>
To: <ASKC@egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2000 12:47 PM
Subject: RE: [ASKC] Ho Ho Ho!


> Okay, its time to have fun.
>
> Question.  How many of you think the new millenium started Jan 1, 2000?
> How many think its not until Jan 1, 2001?
>
> Tom

--- In ASKC@egroups.com, "Kathy Machin" <kmachin@k...> wrote:
> From what I've read, the calendar based the AD concept didn't get 
started
> until the 500's or later, when some Bishop(?) or other counted back 
in time
> and gave it his best guess. 

and all this time I thought Al Gore invented the calendar!

(couldn't hold that one back ...)

You thought he invented it? Are you sure he didn't say that he invented it
somewhere along the line? It wouldn't surprise me in the least.

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Robinson [mailto:webmaster@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2000 5:51 AM
To: ASKC@egroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Re: Ho Ho Ho!


--- In ASKC@egroups.com, "Kathy Machin" <kmachin@k...> wrote:
> From what I've read, the calendar based the AD concept didn't get
started
> until the 500's or later, when some Bishop(?) or other counted back
in time
> and gave it his best guess.

and all this time I thought Al Gore invented the calendar!

(couldn't hold that one back ...)



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Second Nature put out a computer screen saver a year or so back with Hubble
images. It is called "Through the Eyes of Hubble". Really nice images. They
now have one out called "Hubble, Mysteries Revealed". I've seen it in a
package along with two other space related screen saver cd's (both of which
I already have). If anyone see's it packaged by itself I would appreciate a
note letting me know where you saw it. Thanks.

Gary

Hi Folks,

Would anybody who has seen the planetarium show at Science City please
tell me about it? What was good, bad about it? What could they do to
improve?
Many thanks! Dave

Wow, Mike.  I sure woke up a few people with that question, huh?

Kathy, I love your illogical logic, or is it logical illogic.  Whatever.
Thanks for the input.

Come on folks, there are quite a few of you out there who are  just itching
to have your say, right?

Is the new millenium 2000 or 2001?

Tom

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I have uploaded a picture of the partially eclipsed sun taken from my 
front yard Christmas morning.  I used a 200mm lens, hand held, at 
1000 of a sec at f/8 on Fujicolor 400 film.

If you get your messages by e-mail, I believe you have to log on to 
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Tom Martinez

Tom--
good picture
Thanks
Kathy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Martinez" <martinez@...>
To: <ASKC@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2000 5:18 PM
Subject: [ASKC] Eclipse


> I have uploaded a picture of the partially eclipsed sun taken from my 
> front yard Christmas morning.  I used a 200mm lens, hand held, at 
> 1000 of a sec at f/8 on Fujicolor 400 film.
> 
> If you get your messages by e-mail, I believe you have to log on to 
> the ASKC e-groups and go to the file area to get it.
> 
> Tom Martinez

Since most *astronomical* events of consequence are calculated with a 
Julian Date

  - AND -

Since the beginning of the first millennium - and hence the beginnings and 
endings of subsequent millenniums - is an arbitrarily chosen point in time.

The Gregorian calendar and its determination of when the new millennium 
starts is sort of irrelevant to *astronomical* discussions.

- HOWEVER -

The beginning of the millennium has great significance to mystics and in 
certain religions, especially to *Astrologers*.

Are we fighting over when the millennium starts so we can all get our 
horoscopes calculated correctly?  If so, maybe this discussion should moved 
to the Astrology.Mystic.DoYouWannaBuySomeY2KInsurance mailing list.


Bob
CosmicOne
(Stirring the pot and aggressively avoiding anyone who want to prepare his 
astrological chart or do a tarot reading for him.)




At 17:12 12/27/00 -0600, you wrote:
>Wow, Mike.  I sure woke up a few people with that question, huh?
>
>Kathy, I love your illogical logic, or is it logical illogic.  Whatever.
>Thanks for the input.
>
>Come on folks, there are quite a few of you out there who are  just itching
>to have your say, right?
>
>Is the new millenium 2000 or 2001?
>
>Tom

I go with Arthur C Clarke. It starts on January 1, 2001. Really, does it
matter? So what if 1 BC is thought of as 0 AD? Popular opinion has it that
2000 was the beginning. As the beginning of the millennium is not an earth
shattering event, I'm willing to let it go.

Darren J Kindberg
Secretary
Heartland Humanists
http://heartland.humanists.net


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Martinez [mailto:martinez@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2000 12:47 PM
> To: ASKC@egroups.com
> Subject: RE: [ASKC] Ho Ho Ho!
>
>
> Okay, its time to have fun.
>
> Question.  How many of you think the new millenium started Jan 1, 2000?
> How many think its not until Jan 1, 2001?
>
> Tom
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rett alonzi [mailto:ralonzi@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2000 12:19 PM
> To: ASKC@egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [ASKC] Ho Ho Ho!
>
>
> Uhhhhhhhh... You must have missed it last year Joe.
>
>
>
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Bob,

Does that mean that I have to return that astrological natal chart I had got you for Christmas?  Darn!  ;-)

Anyway, it's not like we have too much traffic in this egroup.  Technically, even the Christmas greetings then were out of place.  But this is the unofficial ASKC list, so I see it as more of a group of members getting together and talking.  Mostly about astronomy, and sometimes about all the arbitrary ways of counting time.  We all know it's arbitrary, totally, delightfully, humanly arbitrary...   Just like the Julian date system.  Unless that was handed down to us by the Ever Powerful God of the Big Bang, that is.

Happy Gregorian 2001 or 2451545 j.d. to all of you!!!   :-)

Gina

----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Robert Haler 
  To: ASKC@egroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2000 7:26 PM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] Ho Ho Ho + 2.4536785 Cents


  Since most *astronomical* events of consequence are calculated with a 
  Julian Date

    - AND -

  Since the beginning of the first millennium - and hence the beginnings and 
  endings of subsequent millenniums - is an arbitrarily chosen point in time.

  The Gregorian calendar and its determination of when the new millennium 
  starts is sort of irrelevant to *astronomical* discussions.

  - HOWEVER -

  The beginning of the millennium has great significance to mystics and in 
  certain religions, especially to *Astrologers*.

  Are we fighting over when the millennium starts so we can all get our 
  horoscopes calculated correctly?  If so, maybe this discussion should moved 
  to the Astrology.Mystic.DoYouWannaBuySomeY2KInsurance mailing list.


  Bob
  CosmicOne
  (Stirring the pot and aggressively avoiding anyone who want to prepare his 
  astrological chart or do a tarot reading for him.)




  At 17:12 12/27/00 -0600, you wrote:
  >Wow, Mike.  I sure woke up a few people with that question, huh?
  >
  >Kathy, I love your illogical logic, or is it logical illogic.  Whatever.
  >Thanks for the input.
  >
  >Come on folks, there are quite a few of you out there who are  just itching
  >to have your say, right?
  >
  >Is the new millenium 2000 or 2001?
  >
  >Tom


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Tom,

I like that photo a lot!  The clouds and tree tops make for quite an unusual eclipse image.  Thank you for sharing it.

Gina



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"Yes".  . .   - heavy sigh.
    
    I attended a group visit of Science City this spring with my daughter's 6th grade class.  The childrens teacher warned them that the planetarium show would be much below their level, but try to pay attention anyway since there was a 'little' there that was valuable.  - this was a gracefull exageration.

    The facility is marvelous.  Seats are comfortable, the ball is beautifull and the building is exactly how Mike B. planned it.  It's too bad they're running kindergarten level cartoon slideshows on the screen of a 1/2 million dollar tool.  

    I may be misrepresenting or slandering the current status of the organization, but in June, it was reported that the employees couldn't get the ball to move.  As if it had a piece missing or not installed properly at the factory or in shipping... and hadn't noticed to date.

    If you have very young children in the K-3rd grade range, the program is suitable.  Otherwise, you will feel terribly embarrased displaying this as a work of modern science to your friends.  

    I, myself fell asleep in the nice comfortable chairs.

    - - altogether now, everyone!   "Hire back Mike!  Hire back Mike!  Hire back Mike"   

Jen

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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: David Hudgins 
  To: ASKC Club 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2000 8:35 AM
  Subject: [ASKC] Have You Seen Science City Planetarium?


  Hi Folks,

  Would anybody who has seen the planetarium show at Science City please
  tell me about it? What was good, bad about it? What could they do to
  improve?
  Many thanks! Dave



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At 10:44 PM 12/25/00 -0600, Kathy Machin wrote:
>Anybody get to see anything of the eclipse?

We visited Bev's family in Decorah, Iowa -- in the northeastern
corner of the state.  The sky was totally clear for almost all of the
eclipse, as well it should have been because the low temperature
Christmas Eve was -31 degrees Fahrenheit!  During the eclipse
it warmed up to -20 but there was a breeze blowing.

I managed to show the eclipse to several other guests at the
motel, and then all of the family who gathered at the farm for
the holiday celebration.  Sorry to hear it was cloudy here.

Roger

Hi y'all-

I don't know how many of you saw this last year, but in SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN,
Jan. 2000 there was a little blurb in the "100 Years Ago" section that read:

"In the daily press we find a fierce epistolary battle raging between those
who believe that the year 1899 marks the close of the nineteenth century and
those who hold that not until 1901 shall we cross the threshold to the new
era.....A hundred years ago the same wordy war was waged; A HUNDRED YEAR HENCE
IT WILL BE RENEWED." <emphasis mine>

I guess the only difference is that in 1900 there weren't egroups on which to
argue the point.

-Dave


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Wow, Mike.  I sure woke up a few people with that question, huh?

Kathy, I love your illogical logic, or is it logical illogic.  Whatever.
Thanks for the input.

Come on folks, there are quite a few of you out there who are  just itching
to have your say, right?

Is the new millenium 2000 or 2001?

Tom




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Tom:

WOW!!

Beautiful shot!

Look foward to seeing it published!

-Dave





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I have uploaded a picture of the partially eclipsed sun taken from my 
front yard Christmas morning.  I used a 200mm lens, hand held, at 
1000 of a sec at f/8 on Fujicolor 400 film.

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the ASKC e-groups and go to the file area to get it.

Tom Martinez



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Well folks,

I've been away from the computer too long.  I didn't expect so much from
my satirical comment.  I was aware of Clarke's intentions of titling his
book.  I also wondered in highschool world history about the year and
century.  Rome was sacked in 410 A.D. (5th cent).  As a nineth grader it
didn't click then until we reasoned out in class.  Them math teachers
have a point about using that number line.

Thanks for all the replys. 
 
See you in the 21st century.

Joe

PS: We survived the campout.  My thermometer read -2.4F at 0500 that
Sunday morning.  The boys said they had a great time.  They're NUTS!
Hope the party was fun for all.

Dave I saw the planetarium program much earlier in the year and it was for
kids only... What a disappointment.   I would not recommend it at all.

rett

>
> Would anybody who has seen the planetarium show at Science City please
> tell me about it? What was good, bad about it? What could they do to
> improve?

Nice work on the Club's website Rob.  Keep up the good work!
What kind of photos are you looking for?

rett


> 
> There is a slide show now on the webpage. I dug around and found some 
> very old photos from Powell observatory (1991 eclipse maybe?). Since 

  Does that mean that I have to return that astrological natal chart I had got you for Christmas?  Darn!  ;-)


  I noticed the ad banner on the ASKC egroups page was flashing an offer for a  free astrological chart. I wonder how many ASKC folks have placed their orders?



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Tom,
Great photo.

Carroll Iorg

On 28 Dec 2000 15:40:28 -0000, you wrote:

>Message: 4
>   Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 23:18:40 -0000
>   From: "Tom Martinez" <martinez@...>
>Subject: Eclipse
>
>I have uploaded a picture of the partially eclipsed sun taken from my 
>front yard Christmas morning.  I used a 200mm lens, hand held, at 
>1000 of a sec at f/8 on Fujicolor 400 film.
>
>If you get your messages by e-mail, I believe you have to log on to 
>the ASKC e-groups and go to the file area to get it.
>
>Tom Martinez

--- In ASKC@egroups.com, "rett  alonzi" <ralonzi@l...> wrote:
> Nice work on the Club's website Rob.  Keep up the good work!
> What kind of photos are you looking for?

Thanks for the compliment.
Maybe a group of related photos, that would go well in a slide show.
Eventually as we get more and more, (none so far), I can put an intro 
page, with a listing of the shows, that people can select to view.

Hi Rob - Are you still planning on  some photos being added on the main page
and others for people who just "drop by" the website? Photos of Powell
observatory, club meetings, people observing, etc, to give a fast visual
impression of the club? Or will they need to go to the slide show  to see
images?    Just wondering : ^ ) - Dave


Rob Robinson wrote:

> --- In ASKC@egroups.com, "rett  alonzi" <ralonzi@l...> wrote:
> > Nice work on the Club's website Rob.  Keep up the good work!
> > What kind of photos are you looking for?
>
> Thanks for the compliment.
> Maybe a group of related photos, that would go well in a slide show.
> Eventually as we get more and more, (none so far), I can put an intro
> page, with a listing of the shows, that people can select to view.
>
>
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--- In ASKC@egroups.com, David Hudgins <dhudgins@s...> wrote:
> Hi Rob - Are you still planning on  some photos being added on the 
main page
> and others for people who just "drop by" the website? Photos of 
Powell
> observatory, club meetings, people observing, etc, to give a fast 
visual
> impression of the club? Or will they need to go to the slide show  
to see
> images?    Just wondering : ^ ) - Dave

Yep....when I get them.
I used the photo you sent me, on the observing awards page.
Still looking for an appropriate pic for the front page, to replace 
the POC logo. Needs to be something that has the spirit of ASKC, not 
just an astrophoto. I also think we need some thumbnail pics of each 
board member to put by their name on the BofD page (hint hint).

Bob:  I agree with Gina.  You gotta have a little fun every once in a while.

Gina:  Thanks for the kudos on the picture.  I just plain lucked out.  I
like this kind of shot a lot better than if it had been a filtered shot in a
clear sky.

David Dembinski:  I believe you are right.  This will once again be argued
over again.

Joe:  You mean you actually camped out in those kind of temperatures?  I
remember camping in 30 degree temperatures at the Great Plains Star Party a
few years ago, and I thought I was going to die!  You've gotta have some
really warm clothing.

Mike: We'll, I am having fun.  This kind of question usually brings out some
unknown qualities of people.

Rett:  You have actually have the answer in your statement:
"Heck, when a baby is born, the first birthday party is after the first year
has passed... same scenario."

When the baby turns 10 years old, it celebrates the end of the first decade.
The baby then celebrates the beginning of the second  decade when it turns
11.

Tom

Sounds like someone needs to contact egroups and explain the difference
between astronomy and astrology to them.

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 8:12 AM
To: ASKC@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Ho Ho Ho + 2.4536785 Cents


  Does that mean that I have to return that astrological natal chart I had
got you for Christmas?  Darn!  ;-)


  I noticed the ad banner on the ASKC egroups page was flashing an offer for
a  free astrological chart. I wonder how many ASKC folks have placed their
orders?



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JeeZe......

I was kidding!  I don't want to imply that I in any way give a rip when the 
"official" millennium starts.........BUT I WAS JUST TEASING!!!




At 21:54 12/28/00 -0600, you wrote:
>Bob:  I agree with Gina.  You gotta have a little fun every once in a while.
>
>Gina:  Thanks for the kudos on the picture.  I just plain lucked out.  I
>like this kind of shot a lot better than if it had been a filtered shot in a
>clear sky.
>
>David Dembinski:  I believe you are right.  This will once again be argued
>over again.
>
>Joe:  You mean you actually camped out in those kind of temperatures?  I
>remember camping in 30 degree temperatures at the Great Plains Star Party a
>few years ago, and I thought I was going to die!  You've gotta have some
>really warm clothing.
>
>Mike: We'll, I am having fun.  This kind of question usually brings out some
>unknown qualities of people.
>
>Rett:  You have actually have the answer in your statement:
>"Heck, when a baby is born, the first birthday party is after the first year
>has passed... same scenario."
>
>When the baby turns 10 years old, it celebrates the end of the first decade.
>The baby then celebrates the beginning of the second  decade when it turns
>11.
>
>Tom
>
>
>
>
>
>To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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Bob:  I kinda thought you might be pulling our leg(s).  Unfortunately e-mail
is a very hard medium to tease or make jokes in.  The implied inflections,
tone of voice, all that, is missing. I've seen folks get really upset over
what was supposed to be a joke.

By the way.  Did you see the really nice Moon-Venus conjunction last night?

Tom

Yes! I did see the Moon Venus conjunction.  I was showing some people 
scopes in the freezing cold last night and it looked really great in a wide 
field scope.  2.8 degrees of field with 16X was just right to see a little 
moon detail with a handful of stars scatter artfully around.  It's beauty 
was equaled only by how $#&@*%! cold is was last night!

At 10:53 12/30/00 -0600, you wrote:
>Bob:  I kinda thought you might be pulling our leg(s).  Unfortunately e-mail
>is a very hard medium to tease or make jokes in.  The implied inflections,
>tone of voice, all that, is missing. I've seen folks get really upset over
>what was supposed to be a joke.
>
>By the way.  Did you see the really nice Moon-Venus conjunction last night?
>
>Tom
>
>
>
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I saw it. The cold drove me back indoors.

With Venus so apparently close to the moon, I wonder how many UFO reports
were taken.

Darren J Kindberg
Secretary
Heartland Humanists
http://heartland.humanists.net


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Martinez [mailto:martinez@...]
> Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2000 10:53 AM
> To: ASKC@egroups.com
> Subject: RE: [ASKC] Ho Ho Ho + 2.4536785 Cents
>
>
> Bob:  I kinda thought you might be pulling our leg(s).
> Unfortunately e-mail
> is a very hard medium to tease or make jokes in.  The implied inflections,
> tone of voice, all that, is missing. I've seen folks get really upset over
> what was supposed to be a joke.
>
> By the way.  Did you see the really nice Moon-Venus conjunction
> last night?
>
> Tom
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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>
>

Bob & Darren:  Yes it was cold, but it was better than the cold of the last
two weeks.  -30 and colder wind chill is mighty dangerous.  I was out for
about an hour taking pictures.  I didn't feel the cold, but I was fully
prepared with the right clothing.  I gotta get the film processed to see if
I got anything.  I've done this many times, and it still iffy as to what I
get.

Venus is a producer of ufo reports alright, but usually when it is much
lower to the sky, when it twinkles in lots of colors.

Bob: Having a grand sight like the moon and Venus right outside your store
is great.  Too bad it doesn't happen every day, but then we wouldn't
appreciate it as much.

Tom

All:
     Received an astronomy book as a Christmas gift from a good 
friend of mine. The book entitled "Astronomer's Computer Companion" 
by Jeff Foust and Ron Lafon is an excellent book about many aspects 
of astronomy. The book includes a CD-Rom with over 100 astronomy 
related programs and also includes many jpeg images of the planets 
and many other celestial objects. This would make an excellent 
addition to your astronomy reference library. Would highly reccommend 
this to astronomers of any level.
       let me know what you think............   Bill

--- In ASKC@egroups.com, "Rob Robinson" <webmaster@l...> wrote:
> I used the photo you sent me, on the observing awards page.
> Still looking for an appropriate pic for the front page, to replace 
> the POC logo. Needs to be something that has the spirit of ASKC,
not 
> just an astrophoto. I also think we need some thumbnail pics of
each 
> board member to put by their name on the BofD page (hint hint).

Okay board members....'
I have already had one board member send me his photo for the website.
Now I can go digging again through my photo's, and find probably a 
"reasonable facsimile" of what you look like, OR, you can send me a 
nice one, just like this individual did. Now I am not saying you HAVE 
to have your pic there. If you want to remain anonymous, that's fine. 
BUT, we do have such a great looking BoD, that presenting yourself to 
the astronomical community, would give something tangible for them to 
see, rather than just a name ;)

Hey Rob,

I'll get some digi-pics of Board Members at the next Board Meeting January
11 and get them to you also.

_scott

Rob Robinson wrote:

> --- In ASKC@egroups.com, "Rob Robinson" <webmaster@l...> wrote:
> > I used the photo you sent me, on the observing awards page.
> > Still looking for an appropriate pic for the front page, to replace
> > the POC logo. Needs to be something that has the spirit of ASKC,
> not
> > just an astrophoto. I also think we need some thumbnail pics of
> each
> > board member to put by their name on the BofD page (hint hint).
>
> Okay board members....'
> I have already had one board member send me his photo for the website.
> Now I can go digging again through my photo's, and find probably a
> "reasonable facsimile" of what you look like, OR, you can send me a
> nice one, just like this individual did. Now I am not saying you HAVE
> to have your pic there. If you want to remain anonymous, that's fine.
> BUT, we do have such a great looking BoD, that presenting yourself to
> the astronomical community, would give something tangible for them to
> see, rather than just a name ;)
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> ASKC-unsubscribe@egroups.com

Hello Bill,

The book you mention is certainly a good one, especially for anyone using
the internet since it gives many URL's that are science related. I put a
book review in the Cosmic Messenger some months back about this book.

Happy Holidays

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: billboyle@... [mailto:billboyle@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 1:09 PM
To: ASKC@egroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Astronomer's Computer Companion


All:
     Received an astronomy book as a Christmas gift from a good
friend of mine. The book entitled "Astronomer's Computer Companion"
by Jeff Foust and Ron Lafon is an excellent book about many aspects
of astronomy. The book includes a CD-Rom with over 100 astronomy
related programs and also includes many jpeg images of the planets
and many other celestial objects. This would make an excellent
addition to your astronomy reference library. Would highly reccommend
this to astronomers of any level.
       let me know what you think............   Bill



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Gary:

I bought the book based on your review and liked it a lot. Lots of great programs on the CD and related websites sited in the book. Lots to "chew" over.

Happy New Year to all of you in the ASKC, and keep looking up,

Jim
-----Original Message-----
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Date: Sunday, December 31, 2000 5:43 PM
Subject: RE: [ASKC] Astronomer's Computer Companion


Hello Bill,

The book you mention is certainly a good one, especially for anyone using
the internet since it gives many URL's that are science related. I put a
book review in the Cosmic Messenger some months back about this book.

Happy Holidays

Gary

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 1:09 PM
To: ASKC@egroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Astronomer's Computer Companion


All:
     Received an astronomy book as a Christmas gift from a good
friend of mine. The book entitled "Astronomer's Computer Companion"
by Jeff Foust and Ron Lafon is an excellent book about many aspects
of astronomy. The book includes a CD-Rom with over 100 astronomy
related programs and also includes many jpeg images of the planets
and many other celestial objects. This would make an excellent
addition to your astronomy reference library. Would highly reccommend
this to astronomers of any level.
       let me know what you think............   Bill



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Yep, I guess it's time to wish everyone a Happy New Year! We hope you all
have a healthy and prosperous 2001.

Linda and Gary