Jessie and I would but she needs 2 weeks notice to get off work at Mc
Donalds so please lets us know ahead. Shelley

 

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Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 9:34 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
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I would, I would!

Gary


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David Kevin can get us a conference room at Richards Gebar. Let me know.
Shelley

 

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Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 10:47 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] digital darkroom stuff

 

Ok, it looks like we have plenty of interest. We are going to need a
place to meet that would allow several computers to be set up in a room
with 15 or 20 people. My place is way too small for this kind of thing.
We need a volunteer or a suggested venue. Let's also hear about
suggested day to have the "class".

I can provide a computer with Photoshop LE,  Photoshop 6.0 and a brown
haired girl to help us.

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Oh and we can make him set up a network for us to hehe. shelley

 

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To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] digital darkroom stuff

 

Ok, it looks like we have plenty of interest. We are going to need a
place to meet that would allow several computers to be set up in a room
with 15 or 20 people. My place is way too small for this kind of thing.
We need a volunteer or a suggested venue. Let's also hear about
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haired girl to help us.

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Details have now been released concerning UP's huge Challenger steam
locomotive next pass thru KC.

Steam train fans, Union Pacific huge steamer 3985 will arrive at Union
Station, KC, January 14, 2004, 1:00 PM.  It is scheduled to depart for
Jeff City the next morning, January 15, 8:00 AM.  

It will stop for full servicing in Marshall, Missouri, on North
Columbus  Street, from 11:00-11:30 AM before continuing to Jeff City. 
This is a good time for experiencing the beast up close, as the crew
grease all the joints, water and fuel the tender, and make a general
inspection of the locomotive.

This excursion will return to KC Union Station on Sunday, February 8,
1:30 PM, and be open for public display on Monday, February 9, from
8:00  AM-5:00 PM, departing for Topeka the following morning, 8:00 AM,
February 10.

The purpse of this trip is to carry some very lucky people to the Super
Bowl XXXVIII in Houston where the 20th century monster will be on
public display during the festivities.

Complete UP news release including route map and schedule at

http://www.uprr.com/notes/corpcomm/2003/1229_super.shtml

The gastronomical society met at Powell last night and had a great time. Lot's of food and drink and good company. We showed Saturn, Jupiter and M-42 to several people who dropped in, even a group from Louisburg. Rita showed us how to play poker. Now I know which card is better than another. Mike was trying to pick up girls all over town and finally found one in Olathe. Mitch and Heidi kept disappearing outside, must have been some unusually facinating star formations out there. Lario was facinated by the toroidal vortex gun and expounded on various theories of operation and the probable composition of the secret smoke producing liquid. Joe and David exagerated. 

There continues to be a lot of interest in Saturn so we really should get something set up for a special Saturn night.

Happy new year!

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I had a good time Mon. night. So I might just come back down Fri.
Clear Skies,
Randy
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  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 11:55 AM
  Subject: [ASKC] observatory Friday all invited


  I'm having some family and friends down on Friday and as last Monday - all 
  are welcome!

  FYI Friday Iridium #59  TIME: 17H 45M 54s
  Flare from MMA1 (Right antenna)   Mag=-2.6m Aquarii
  az: 202.5d SSW  h:  25.2    dist: 1522.6km
  ra: 22:46.6: de=-22:45:
  Flare angle: 0.7d  center: 35.3km, az:224.7d SW
  Sat above: lon: 260.50d  Lat: 28.26d  alt= 782.2k


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Joe said.
The emergency pull cord is in place if
needed.
        What pull cord?
Clear Skies,
Randy
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  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 5:04 PM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] Re: dome



  Roger, Dick, Dick, Dave & Richard:

  Thanks for attacking the problem.  When I read the email this morning,
  it reminded me of a LX200 problem.  Dust and stuff had obscured the
  contacts and made the scope act haywire.  Those relays are far cheaper
  than we discussed last night.   The emergency pull cord is in place if
  needed.



  I wish to thank everyone for all the hard work and time spent at the
  observatory this year.  Our visitors were very pleased.  We really had a
  magnificent year. Happy New Year to all.

  Thank you,

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It is a very high tech emergency cord..   " 1/2 x 20 feet of white nylon
rope which you will attach to the dome support and the other end is attached
as needed to a pair of hands and the person attached to the hands must then
pull in the desired direction as needed.  It is quite effective ... most of
the time.
D Trentman




-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Thompson [mailto:randythm@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 7:50 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Re: dome

Joe said.
The emergency pull cord is in place if
needed.
        What pull cord?
Clear Skies,
Randy
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  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 5:04 PM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] Re: dome



  Roger, Dick, Dick, Dave & Richard:

  Thanks for attacking the problem.  When I read the email this morning,
  it reminded me of a LX200 problem.  Dust and stuff had obscured the
  contacts and made the scope act haywire.  Those relays are far cheaper
  than we discussed last night.   The emergency pull cord is in place if
  needed.



  I wish to thank everyone for all the hard work and time spent at the
  observatory this year.  Our visitors were very pleased.  We really had a
  magnificent year. Happy New Year to all.

  Thank you,

  Joe










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Happy New Year to all our friends in ASKC. We wish you all a happy, safe and
prosperous 2004.

Linda and Gary

Eddie Biancina and I are coming Friday night.  Eddie is expecting his new 
scope to be delivered by UPS tomorrow, and hopes to bring it.
Tim Kristl


In a message dated 1/1/04 7:46:18 PM Central Standard Time, 
randythm@... writes:
I had a good time Mon. night. So I might just come back down Fri.
Clear Skies,
Randy
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: mikekansascity@... 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 11:55 AM
  Subject: [ASKC] observatory Friday all invited


  I'm having some family and friends down on Friday and as last Monday - all 
  are welcome!

  FYI Friday Iridium #59  TIME: 17H 45M 54s
  Flare from MMA1 (Right antenna)   Mag=-2.6m Aquarii
  az: 202.5d SSW  h:  25.2    dist: 1522.6km
  ra: 22:46.6: de=-22:45:
  Flare angle: 0.7d  center: 35.3km, az:224.7d SW
  Sat above: lon: 260.50d  Lat: 28.26d  alt= 782.2k


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the rope you hitch a worker bee to so he can pull on it while you hold the button down. The dome will stick now and then if you stop it in just the wrong place over about 310 degrees.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Randy Thompson 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 7:49 PM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] Re: dome


  Joe said.
  The emergency pull cord is in place if
  needed.
          What pull cord?
  Clear Skies,
  Randy
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    To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
    Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 5:04 PM
    Subject: Re: [ASKC] Re: dome



    Roger, Dick, Dick, Dave & Richard:

    Thanks for attacking the problem.  When I read the email this morning,
    it reminded me of a LX200 problem.  Dust and stuff had obscured the
    contacts and made the scope act haywire.  Those relays are far cheaper
    than we discussed last night.   The emergency pull cord is in place if
    needed.



    I wish to thank everyone for all the hard work and time spent at the
    observatory this year.  Our visitors were very pleased.  We really had a
    magnificent year. Happy New Year to all.

    Thank you,

    Joe










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We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Sterling - all welcome 

Date: Friday, January 2, 2004 
Time: 5:00PM CST (GMT-06:00) 

Moon, Saturn & what ever else the moon light and clouds allow
... 

 

quadrantids morning jan 4 12-2 am with the radiant between Ursa Minor (little 
dipper) and Arcturus. Will someone be in the observatory? 
I hear Saturn is the closest it can ever be to the Earth so we should tell 
people and have planned party possible. I have a scheduled part on Jan 17.
Keep me posted about the digital party.

Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), 
Olathe, KS. USA

I'm planning on coming down too, weather permitting.  A friend or two may
join me-- depends if they get off work in time.

Dick H


-----Original Message-----
From: TKristl100@... [mailto:TKristl100@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 10:00 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] observatory Friday all invited


Eddie Biancina and I are coming Friday night.  Eddie is expecting his new
scope to be delivered by UPS tomorrow, and hopes to bring it.
Tim Kristl

Sounds like fun!   I may also show up, you never know...    Going out to
dinner with some interested friends....   Thanks!

Jackie
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Dick Harshaw [mailto:dwharshaw@...]
  Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 9:01 AM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] observatory Friday all invited


  I'm planning on coming down too, weather permitting.  A friend or two may
  join me-- depends if they get off work in time.

  Dick H


  -----Original Message-----
  From: TKristl100@... [mailto:TKristl100@...]
  Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 10:00 PM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] observatory Friday all invited


  Eddie Biancina and I are coming Friday night.  Eddie is expecting his new
  scope to be delivered by UPS tomorrow, and hopes to bring it.
  Tim Kristl










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Thanks for having us over yesterday. We had a nice visit. The Best to
You and Yours in 2004!
Clear Skies,
Randy
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Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 9:30 PM
Subject: [ASKC] Happy New Year


> Happy New Year to all our friends in ASKC. We wish you all a happy,
safe and
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Best maps I've seen show 60% clear of clouds with a very clear window about 
1am - 3am... who knows - hmmm ...
Monday and Wednesday were peek-a-boo nights but, we still enjoyed the moon, 
Saturn, Orion, & Jupiter and a few clusters.
Saturn rise 4:52   Jupiter rise 10:30   Iridium at 5:45


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Here is a response to me from Michael Bakich, the one-time curator of the
planetarium.....    I've deleted some of the email, as it didn't have to do
with the subject...

Jackie

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Bakich [mailto:mbakich@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 11:04 PM
To: Jackie Beucher
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Fwd: FW: Science City Planetarium Response


Hi, Jackie.

Yes, I spoke to the reporter and laid my part in it all out from the
beginning. We spoke in two sessions that totaled well over an hour. I
stressed to him that I was not indulging in "sour grapes," and I had only
fond memories of Kansas City. Still, I disagreed with the decision made by
Science CIty (to operate the Dome Theater without a director) and still do.
The way they chose to "run" the planetarium was, simply put, insane.

Now, to your question. Indeed, the star ball was one that had been in a
museum in Cleveland for ten years. It had never been used because of legal
matters involved in opening the museum. In short, the roof leaked. So Spitz
went in and -- literally -- shrink-wrapped the starball. When it became
clear the museum would never open, Spitz re-acquired the star ball for a
song. That's a literal quote from a salesman at Spitz to me. We were able to
acquire the star ball for a great price. But that's not the only reason the
decision was made. I was, and still am, totally sold on the principle of
optical star projection. A digitally-produced sky, such as the DigiStar
planetarium projector produces, is unrealistic, monochromatic, and fuzzy
above a certain dome radius. And what else do you get with a projection
system that produces a digital sky? Simple line graphics. Woooo! Any current
laser system can do a better job and in color.

If I may, a bit more. Mr. White's comments that the starball's "components
and costs of repair are high and the reliability of the Starball is low" are
incomprehensible to me. The star ball incorporates three motors, several
lamps, and a series of slip rings. Yes, the arc lamp must be replaced after
a number of hours, but the same is true of the video projection lens of a
digital planetarium projector. Reliability is not an issue. The issue may
have been that no qualified staff was on hand who knew anything about the
projector.

Best Wishes,

Michael

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Jackie Beucher
  To: Michael Bakich
  Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 8:06 AM
  Subject: FW: [ASKC] Fwd: FW: Science City Planetarium Response


  Michael -- I suppose you know that we are protesting the closing of the
planetarium at Union Station.    I got a call from a reporter, and suggested
that he call you.   He told me that he did, and that you were most helpful.
Tim Kristl is an ASKC member, and a lawyer who knows Turner White, the new
CEO of Science city, and wrote him a letter.    Please read the response
below, and tell me.... is that correct?  It was a used Spitz starball?   I'd
like to hear your comments about this.

  Thanks,

  Jackie

  Subject: [ASKC] Fwd: FW: Science City Planetarium Response


  In a message dated 12/29/03 6:25:37 PM Central Standard Time,
  TimKristl@... writes:


  >  -----Original Message-----
  > From:     Tim Kristl
  > Sent:    Monday, December 29, 2003 10:45 AM
  > To:    'askc@yahoogroups.com'
  > Subject:    Science City Planetarium Response
  >
  >
  > To the Board and Group
  >
  > We have received a response from Turner White, the CEO of Union Station
  > dated December 23, 2003.  It read as follows;
  >
  > Dear Tim:
  >
  >     Thank you for your recent letter about the Dome Theatre at Union
  > Station.  Your sentiments about astronomical education are shared by
many,
  > including the staff here at Union Station.
  >
  >     As we look at the best utilization of the space we have and the
  > productivity of the existing space, it appears that there is a greater
  > opportunity for the dome to be useful as a welcoming center than as a
  > planetarium and dome "show" site.  We don't reach this conclusion
lightly.
  > The dome has struggled since the station opened for regular attendance
  > that can make a meaningful contribution to the overall performance of
the
  > Theater District.  The choice to purchase a "Spitz' Starball for the
  > principal equipment in the dome prior to the station opening left little
  > flexibility today to change to the more efficient digital technology
that
  > exists.  In fact, the Spitz Starball that was purchased is a
  > reconditioned, used Starball.  Its components and costs of repair are
high
  > and the reliability of the Starball is low.  In all likelihood, it would
  > require change in the future.
  >
  >     As to your comment about marketing the dome, we maintained
  > astronomical shows in the dome with an astronomy instructor, but could
not
  > maintain and build an audience.  The special program options, such as
Boy
  > Scounts and other such groups, were not as popular as apparently are
  > simply looking at the stars in the natural environment.  In short, for
the
  > type of broad audience appeal we need, it is too limited in its
  > capability.
  >
  >     Our plans are to recondition, resources permitting, the dome at the
  > Kansas City Museum at Corinthian Hall and provide programming for
  > planetarium shows at that location, particularly for school groups.  If
  > your group would like to discuss a partnership with us on this project,
we
  > would like to have your help.
  >
  >     All of the activities attempted when Science city and Union Station
  > were conceived in their current "new lives" are not going to be
  > successful.  The need for us to face this reality and move ahead with
  > something that is useful and works is the approach we have taken.
  >
  >
  > Sincerely,
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > Turner White
  >
  > President and CEO
  >
  > CC:     Mayor Kay Barnes
  >     Thomas A. McDonnell, President and CEO, DST Systems, Inc.
  >     Mark McHenry, Director, Dept of Parks and Recreation
  >     David Young, President, ASKC  (was mailed to me)
  >     Jackie Beucher, Executive Director, Astronomical League
  >
  > My reaction is that we got blown off!!!  I am not happy.
  > We should discuss at the next Board meeting.
  >
  > Tim Kristl


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During lunch today I ran through the sign in log from the 
observatory.  Here are some of the results.  This information is 
based on those individuals properly signing into the log.

Top 10 number of signing in:
Richard Fredrick  120
Mitch Glaze        93
Joe Wright         81
David Young        73
Dick Trentman      61
Mike Sterling      33
Rita Wright        32
Randy Thompson     24
Tim Kristl         23
Roger Gruenke      19
 David Hudgins     19
 Tom Martinez      19

Total number of times members signing in, 875.

We had 6,500 visitor in 2003.  Wow!!!

Joe

Now that would even be worth a peekaboo view to an astro youngin like me   :)
Mike Sterling


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hmmmm we may have aliens checking out our observatory......

I found this on the Coast to Coast AM site along with a picture that I'll post in the "Files" section.

Little weird...

-Scott
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I live near Kansas City, MO in a little town called Louisburg. On the night of 12/15/2003, as my wife and I were pulling into our driveway after a dinner out, we noticed a bright light back in our fields. We live on a farm, you see, and our fields extend for a mile behind our house. It was raining, and the air was think as fog, but we could see this bright light out in the field. At first I thought it was someone's headlights, since a row of houses does run along the back of our property. All of a sudden though, this light shoots straight up into the sky, dissappearing into the clouds. I didn't see any thing but a big ball of light. 

I wanted to go out there right away, but the rain makes it very hard to get back into the fields. The ground gets so muddy, even a tractor can stuck in certain places. So we waited until the next day when the rain stopped. 

We walked about half a mile, just over a hill, when we saw it. This ring of mud in the ground (below). I swear to God on the Bible, that ring had never been there before. The ring measured out to be around 10 feet in diameter, the mud ring almost like quicksand. I never believed in UFO's before, and had never seen anything like this. Maybe we can find out if anyone else has seen anything like this too. 

--Henry 
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Hummm.... I wonder where in Louisburg this was.   If it was our new "toys"
that this man saw, we could be starting some stories.

Years ago, after we had been going down to Scopeville in rural Kansas for a
few years, I heard a story from the Mayor of Parker.   It seems that many
folks around there were sure there were "devil worshipers" coming down to
the land around the Catholic mission land (Scopeville is next door), and
doing their "rites".  Strange red lights could be seen there late some
nights.....

Jackie
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  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
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It has been proven that STUPID is the second most powerful force in the
universe, once again.  Never underestimate Man's inability to
understand his environment.

George
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Jackie Beucher wrote:
> 
> Hummm.... I wonder where in Louisburg this was.   If it was our new
> "toys"
> that this man saw, we could be starting some stories.
> 
> Years ago, after we had been going down to Scopeville in rural Kansas
> for a
> few years, I heard a story from the Mayor of Parker.   It seems that
> many
> folks around there were sure there were "devil worshipers" coming
> down to
> the land around the Catholic mission land (Scopeville is next door),
> and
> doing their "rites".  Strange red lights could be seen there late
> some
> nights.....
> 
> Jackie

You gotta see this...just-released image from Stardust of Comet Wild 2.  Different than an asteroid....really cool and a bit weird.

See at http://stardust.jpl.nasa.gov/images/stardust_wild2.jpg


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Sounds to me like someone was playing with some green laser out there
:-) 

 

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From: s.kranz1@... [mailto:s.kranz1@...] 
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 1:33 PM
To: !_askc
Subject: [ASKC] Strange Field Circle

 

hmmmm we may have aliens checking out our observatory......

I found this on the Coast to Coast AM site along with a picture that
I'll post in the "Files" section.

Little weird...

-Scott
(Quote)
I live near Kansas City, MO in a little town called Louisburg. On the
night of 12/15/2003, as my wife and I were pulling into our driveway
after a dinner out, we noticed a bright light back in our fields. We
live on a farm, you see, and our fields extend for a mile behind our
house. It was raining, and the air was think as fog, but we could see
this bright light out in the field. At first I thought it was someone's
headlights, since a row of houses does run along the back of our
property. All of a sudden though, this light shoots straight up into the
sky, dissappearing into the clouds. I didn't see any thing but a big
ball of light. 

I wanted to go out there right away, but the rain makes it very hard to
get back into the fields. The ground gets so muddy, even a tractor can
stuck in certain places. So we waited until the next day when the rain
stopped. 

We walked about half a mile, just over a hill, when we saw it. This ring
of mud in the ground (below). I swear to God on the Bible, that ring had
never been there before. The ring measured out to be around 10 feet in
diameter, the mud ring almost like quicksand. I never believed in UFO's
before, and had never seen anything like this. Maybe we can find out if
anyone else has seen anything like this too. 

--Henry 
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Stardust has captures dust from the comet wild and also taken the best 
detailed picturs of a comet core.
http://spaceflightnow.com/stardust/status.html
and great image at
http://spaceflightnow.com/stardust/040102image.html
Comet Wild 2 is shown in this image taken by the Stardust navigation camera 
during the spacecraft's closest approach to the comet today. The photo was 
taken within a distance of 500 kilometers (about 311 miles) of the comet's nucleus 
with a 10-millisecond exposure. Credit: NASA/JPL

Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), 
Olathe, KS. USA

Couldn't get the left CPU to shut down - it kept saying a task would not 
respond - but nothing would show in the task bar - tried for about 20 min - the 
green light on front of CPU never did go off   ...   other wise  ---
found out that laser tag towards coyote yelps helps pass the time as cloud 
covers keep your eye off the sky ---
Finally did see the red spot 1:30-2:15 & found out there is a winter triangle 
(Sirius-Procyon-Betlegeuse) while surfing astronomy sites after the coyotes 
left.
Tim and Ed christened Ed's new Celestron - and as with any new scope - the 
christening will continue the next outing.
Great temperature - clouds sucked - but cool red spot and finding out about 
the winter triangle.
Mike Sterling


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When all else fails, three finger crash it.  Control/alt/delete will usually bring up the list of offending programs. It often takes multiple times to finally get something shut down. If that doesn't work, just hold in the power button for 5 seconds and it will shut down. Then restart it and let it go through the scan disk routine and then shut it down again.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: mikekansascity@... 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 4:42 AM
  Subject: [ASKC] Friday night at Powell &cpu???


  Couldn't get the left CPU to shut down - it kept saying a task would not 
  respond - but nothing would show in the task bar - tried for about 20 min - the 
  green light on front of CPU never did go off   ...   other wise  ---
  found out that laser tag towards coyote yelps helps pass the time as cloud 
  covers keep your eye off the sky ---
  Finally did see the red spot 1:30-2:15 & found out there is a winter triangle 
  (Sirius-Procyon-Betlegeuse) while surfing astronomy sites after the coyotes 
  left.
  Tim and Ed christened Ed's new Celestron - and as with any new scope - the 
  christening will continue the next outing.
  Great temperature - clouds sucked - but cool red spot and finding out about 
  the winter triangle.
  Mike Sterling


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Amy Robinson has a new job and will not be able to continue as Marketing person.

Anyone out there want something to do?

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did all that - several times!!! ...
probably wasn't holdin tongue right ...
Mike Sterling


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Greetings all,

We are experiencing a problem with sending the ASKC E-Mail Directory 
to those of you who have requested it. In order for you to obtain 
the directory in a timely fashion I've decided to upload it to the 
files area.

This may be temporary since some may not want it available to the 
anyone on the group. If the President or others feel this is 
inapropriate let me know and I'll remove the file immediately and 
look for other means to get it to you.

David and others let me know how you feel about this.

Gary

There's a hammer in the closet!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: mikekansascity@... 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 1:21 PM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] Friday night at Powell &cpu???


  did all that - several times!!! ...
  probably wasn't holdin tongue right ...
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tried that too, missed and hit Ed's new Celestron, that's why it's gonna take 
him 'til next time to finish christening his new scope


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Well folks. So far I've heard from six individuals who use various e-mail
software (Microsoft Outlook included) who say they received the file
attachment with no problems.

I always post the same message to myself to be certain that the mail went
out properly. I use Microsoft Outlook and received the message showing an
attachment. When I opened the message no attachment was found. Dick Harshaw
who uses Microsoft Outlook and has received previous directories with no
problem had the same result that I did. I tried to attach the file to a
private message to Dick and again he did not receive it. When I clicked the
"Send" button I was given a Microsoft Outlook window which said:

This item contains attachments that are potentially unsafe. Recipients using
Microsoft Outlook may not be able to open these attachments.

Do you want to send anyway?
For more information on unsafe attachments, see the help topic on �Unsafe
Attachments�.

Apparently, recent versions of Microsoft Outlook have security software
built in which does not allow attachment of certain file types to be viewed.
I'm still gathering information on this. More answers when they become
available.


Clear skies,

Gary Pittman
gary_rp@...

Did anyone catch the live feed from JPL on the landing.  It's there, its
alive!  The lady that spoke to us some months ago was there as part of
the team.

In the rush to send a message and to get back to the program,  I sent it
to the wrong group.  Them basket weavers are probably wondering what the
heck I was talking about.

Joe

If you keep Outlook up to date with all the patches, it won't allow you to
open .exe attachments.  I do see your attachment in the preview window, but
when I open the message the attachment is not there, and of course I get a
message telling me Outlook won't allow me to see it because it's an
executable.  It's a safety feature.

Gina
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Gary Pittman [mailto:gary_rp@...]
  Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 9:56 PM
  To: ASKC
  Subject: [ASKC] E-mail Directory


  Well folks. So far I've heard from six individuals who use various e-mail
  software (Microsoft Outlook included) who say they received the file
  attachment with no problems.

  I always post the same message to myself to be certain that the mail went
  out properly. I use Microsoft Outlook and received the message showing an
  attachment. When I opened the message no attachment was found. Dick
Harshaw
  who uses Microsoft Outlook and has received previous directories with no
  problem had the same result that I did. I tried to attach the file to a
  private message to Dick and again he did not receive it. When I clicked
the
  "Send" button I was given a Microsoft Outlook window which said:

  This item contains attachments that are potentially unsafe. Recipients
using
  Microsoft Outlook may not be able to open these attachments.

  Do you want to send anyway?
  For more information on unsafe attachments, see the help topic on “Unsafe
  Attachments”.

  Apparently, recent versions of Microsoft Outlook have security software
  built in which does not allow attachment of certain file types to be
viewed.
  I'm still gathering information on this. More answers when they become
  available.


  Clear skies,

  Gary Pittman
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From what I have been able to find I had pretty much come to the same
conclusion. Apparently the people who use Outlook and received the directory
do not have the most recent updates to Outlook. I guess I will have to start
getting the directory to Rob and have people download it from the ASKC web
site.

Gary
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Gina Fedon [mailto:antares@everstar.com]
  Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 11:56 PM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] E-mail Directory


  If you keep Outlook up to date with all the patches, it won't allow you to
  open .exe attachments.  I do see your attachment in the preview window,
but
  when I open the message the attachment is not there, and of course I get a
  message telling me Outlook won't allow me to see it because it's an
  executable.  It's a safety feature.

  Gina
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Gary Pittman [mailto:gary_rp@...]
    Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 9:56 PM
    To: ASKC
    Subject: [ASKC] E-mail Directory


    Well folks. So far I've heard from six individuals who use various
e-mail
    software (Microsoft Outlook included) who say they received the file
    attachment with no problems.

    I always post the same message to myself to be certain that the mail
went
    out properly. I use Microsoft Outlook and received the message showing
an
    attachment. When I opened the message no attachment was found. Dick
  Harshaw
    who uses Microsoft Outlook and has received previous directories with no
    problem had the same result that I did. I tried to attach the file to a
    private message to Dick and again he did not receive it. When I clicked
  the
    "Send" button I was given a Microsoft Outlook window which said:

    This item contains attachments that are potentially unsafe. Recipients
  using
    Microsoft Outlook may not be able to open these attachments.

    Do you want to send anyway?
    For more information on unsafe attachments, see the help topic on
“Unsafe
    Attachments”.

    Apparently, recent versions of Microsoft Outlook have security software
    built in which does not allow attachment of certain file types to be
  viewed.
    I'm still gathering information on this. More answers when they become
    available.


    Clear skies,

    Gary Pittman
    gary_rp@...










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I confess that I turned that safety feature off when I started using XP pro.  I do run a firewall and am very careful about what I open.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Gina Fedon 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 11:56 PM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] E-mail Directory


  If you keep Outlook up to date with all the patches, it won't allow you to
  open .exe attachments.  I do see your attachment in the preview window, but
  when I open the message the attachment is not there, and of course I get a
  message telling me Outlook won't allow me to see it because it's an
  executable.  It's a safety feature.

  Gina
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Gary Pittman [mailto:gary_rp@...]
    Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 9:56 PM
    To: ASKC
    Subject: [ASKC] E-mail Directory


    Well folks. So far I've heard from six individuals who use various e-mail
    software (Microsoft Outlook included) who say they received the file
    attachment with no problems.

    I always post the same message to myself to be certain that the mail went
    out properly. I use Microsoft Outlook and received the message showing an
    attachment. When I opened the message no attachment was found. Dick
  Harshaw
    who uses Microsoft Outlook and has received previous directories with no
    problem had the same result that I did. I tried to attach the file to a
    private message to Dick and again he did not receive it. When I clicked
  the
    "Send" button I was given a Microsoft Outlook window which said:

    This item contains attachments that are potentially unsafe. Recipients
  using
    Microsoft Outlook may not be able to open these attachments.

    Do you want to send anyway?
    For more information on unsafe attachments, see the help topic on "Unsafe
    Attachments".

    Apparently, recent versions of Microsoft Outlook have security software
    built in which does not allow attachment of certain file types to be
  viewed.
    I'm still gathering information on this. More answers when they become
    available.


    Clear skies,

    Gary Pittman
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You can turn off the "security" feature on a case by case basis but I don't see why putting it on the web in the members only area wouldn't be ok.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Gary Pittman 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 12:13 AM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] E-mail Directory


  From what I have been able to find I had pretty much come to the same
  conclusion. Apparently the people who use Outlook and received the directory
  do not have the most recent updates to Outlook. I guess I will have to start
  getting the directory to Rob and have people download it from the ASKC web
  site.

  Gary
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Gina Fedon [mailto:antares@...]
    Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 11:56 PM
    To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: RE: [ASKC] E-mail Directory


    If you keep Outlook up to date with all the patches, it won't allow you to
    open .exe attachments.  I do see your attachment in the preview window,
  but
    when I open the message the attachment is not there, and of course I get a
    message telling me Outlook won't allow me to see it because it's an
    executable.  It's a safety feature.

    Gina
      -----Original Message-----
      From: Gary Pittman [mailto:gary_rp@...]
      Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 9:56 PM
      To: ASKC
      Subject: [ASKC] E-mail Directory


      Well folks. So far I've heard from six individuals who use various
  e-mail
      software (Microsoft Outlook included) who say they received the file
      attachment with no problems.

      I always post the same message to myself to be certain that the mail
  went
      out properly. I use Microsoft Outlook and received the message showing
  an
      attachment. When I opened the message no attachment was found. Dick
    Harshaw
      who uses Microsoft Outlook and has received previous directories with no
      problem had the same result that I did. I tried to attach the file to a
      private message to Dick and again he did not receive it. When I clicked
    the
      "Send" button I was given a Microsoft Outlook window which said:

      This item contains attachments that are potentially unsafe. Recipients
    using
      Microsoft Outlook may not be able to open these attachments.

      Do you want to send anyway?
      For more information on unsafe attachments, see the help topic on
  "Unsafe
      Attachments".

      Apparently, recent versions of Microsoft Outlook have security software
      built in which does not allow attachment of certain file types to be
    viewed.
      I'm still gathering information on this. More answers when they become
      available.


      Clear skies,

      Gary Pittman
      gary_rp@...










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I kept watching and just saw the first images from Spirit!  Twelve hours ago I was looking down a 600 foot gas well. Now I'm looking at something millions of miles in the other direction. Is that cool or what!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Joseph Wright 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 11:27 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] Mars Landing



  Did anyone catch the live feed from JPL on the landing.  It's there, its
  alive!  The lady that spoke to us some months ago was there as part of
  the team.

  In the rush to send a message and to get back to the program,  I sent it
  to the wrong group.  Them basket weavers are probably wondering what the
  heck I was talking about.

  Joe










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I was watching it befoe I left for the evening and first thing when I
got back. Very exciting...
I'm such a geek, or so my wife says... ahh what a life
Lindin Scott

Saw the Mars' Rover pix.  Cool beans.  We were overdue for a live one

Rick Henderson
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: lindin533 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 2:10 AM
  Subject: [ASKC] Re: Mars Landing


  I was watching it befoe I left for the evening and first thing when I
  got back. Very exciting...
  I'm such a geek, or so my wife says... ahh what a life
  Lindin Scott




   

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You can send it as a ZIP file and it would work fine.  Outlook 2000 SP-3
does not think ZIP files are dangerous... at least, not yet.


Dick H.


-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Pittman [mailto:gary_rp@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 12:14 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ASKC] E-mail Directory


From what I have been able to find I had pretty much come to the same
conclusion. Apparently the people who use Outlook and received the directory
do not have the most recent updates to Outlook. I guess I will have to start
getting the directory to Rob and have people download it from the ASKC web
site.

Gary

Interesting article abou the planetarium. I knew you all would have something 
in the works soon and Jackie had stuff in the newspaper. 

The main thing is that  Science City did not do a lot of publicity (other 
then the astronomy day stuff we did). The planetarium which is a marvelous 
astronomical tool for kids ( we know by the Observatory) which is not what can be 
said for the rest of science center which is a shell of hopeless exhibits. Why 
have a visitor center if there is literally nothing for people to go and see?

Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), 
Olathe, KS. USA

Gary,

I use CompuServe, and received your update without a problem. Scanned 
it with Norton AntiVirus, and it came up clean. Opened it without 
incident.

Rich Hathaway

Yes, I run a firewall and am very careful what I open. I'm running the most
recent Outlook upgrade (SP-3 9.0.0.6627). I've gone through my menu items
and didn't see any option to turn this function off.

Gary
  -----Original Message-----
  From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
  Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 1:38 AM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] E-mail Directory


  I confess that I turned that safety feature off when I started using XP
pro.  I do run a firewall and am very careful about what I open.
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Gina Fedon
    To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 11:56 PM
    Subject: RE: [ASKC] E-mail Directory


    If you keep Outlook up to date with all the patches, it won't allow you
to
    open .exe attachments.  I do see your attachment in the preview window,
but
    when I open the message the attachment is not there, and of course I get
a
    message telling me Outlook won't allow me to see it because it's an
    executable.  It's a safety feature.

    Gina
      -----Original Message-----
      From: Gary Pittman [mailto:gary_rp@...]
      Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 9:56 PM
      To: ASKC
      Subject: [ASKC] E-mail Directory


      Well folks. So far I've heard from six individuals who use various
e-mail
      software (Microsoft Outlook included) who say they received the file
      attachment with no problems.

      I always post the same message to myself to be certain that the mail
went
      out properly. I use Microsoft Outlook and received the message showing
an
      attachment. When I opened the message no attachment was found. Dick
    Harshaw
      who uses Microsoft Outlook and has received previous directories with
no
      problem had the same result that I did. I tried to attach the file to
a
      private message to Dick and again he did not receive it. When I
clicked
    the
      "Send" button I was given a Microsoft Outlook window which said:

      This item contains attachments that are potentially unsafe. Recipients
    using
      Microsoft Outlook may not be able to open these attachments.

      Do you want to send anyway?
      For more information on unsafe attachments, see the help topic on
"Unsafe
      Attachments".

      Apparently, recent versions of Microsoft Outlook have security
software
      built in which does not allow attachment of certain file types to be
    viewed.
      I'm still gathering information on this. More answers when they become
      available.


      Clear skies,

      Gary Pittman
      gary_rp@...










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I connected with NASA's live Web feed last night, but got cut off 
just when they reported loss of signal after the first bounce. 
Repeated attempts to reconnect were unsuccessful. So I missed the 
excitement when they re-acquired the signal.

I originally connected via the "Watch NASA TV now" link at 
www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/MM_NTV_Web.html. Is there a better 
place to connect from?

Also, does anyone know if Time-Warner Cable carries NASA TV anymore? 
I scanned ~400-500 channels but couldn't find it. Lots of other 
interesting stuff among those 400-500 channels. But nothing as 
interesting as the Mars landing. (I was surprised that CNN Headline 
News was still reporting that Spirit was "lined up" to land on Mars, 
10-15 min after the thing reached the surface.)

Rich Hathaway

We are pretty much coming to the conclusion that for security reasons
executable files (.EXE files) are being filtered by Microsoft Outlook and
probably in the not too distant future that trend will spread to other mail
reading software.

I like the self extracting executable because it is much easier for the
membership to open. Some people may not have the software used to unzip
files or may not want to bother with having to unzip files. I can send the
zipped files to the E-Mail Directory mailing list or I can upload the "self
extracting file" to the files area of the ASKC E-Group and to the members
only area of the ASKC web site.

What do you folks think? I'll take the majority of the replies I receive and
do it that way.

Clear skies,

Gary Pittman
gary_rp@...

Thanks Rich. It's beginning to look like the only people having trouble are
those running the most recent update to Microsoft Outlook. It has added
security features that don't allow executables to be attached to mail.

Working on the solution.

Gary
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Rich Hathaway [mailto:RHathaway@...]
  Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 9:44 AM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [ASKC] Re: E-mail Directory


  Gary,

  I use CompuServe, and received your update without a problem. Scanned
  it with Norton AntiVirus, and it came up clean. Opened it without
  incident.

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All versions of Windows since Windows 98 shipped with an Unzipper built in;
for those who have earlier versions of Windows, you can download the
Unzipper free from sites like http://www.interpages.co.uk/pkzipage/.

Dick H


-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Pittman [mailto:gary_rp@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 10:09 AM
To: ASKC
Subject: [ASKC] Monthly E-Mail Directory Mailing


We are pretty much coming to the conclusion that for security reasons
executable files (.EXE files) are being filtered by Microsoft Outlook and
probably in the not too distant future that trend will spread to other mail
reading software.

I like the self extracting executable because it is much easier for the
membership to open. Some people may not have the software used to unzip
files or may not want to bother with having to unzip files. I can send the
zipped files to the E-Mail Directory mailing list or I can upload the "self
extracting file" to the files area of the ASKC E-Group and to the members
only area of the ASKC web site.

What do you folks think? I'll take the majority of the replies I receive and
do it that way.

Clear skies,

Gary Pittman
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Anybody know the date & page of article about planetarium???? - please post 
...
Thank you
Mike Sterling


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Yes, zipped files would be fine, whether emailed or uploaded.  I could go
either way.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Pittman [mailto:gary_rp@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 10:09 AM
To: ASKC
Subject: [ASKC] Monthly E-Mail Directory Mailing


We are pretty much coming to the conclusion that for security reasons
executable files (.EXE files) are being filtered by Microsoft Outlook and
probably in the not too distant future that trend will spread to other mail
reading software.

I like the self extracting executable because it is much easier for the
membership to open. Some people may not have the software used to unzip
files or may not want to bother with having to unzip files. I can send the
zipped files to the E-Mail Directory mailing list or I can upload the "self
extracting file" to the files area of the ASKC E-Group and to the members
only area of the ASKC web site.

What do you folks think? I'll take the majority of the replies I receive and
do it that way.

Clear skies,

Gary Pittman
gary_rp@...



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Today's newspaper, section G on the cover page.

Gary
  -----Original Message-----
  From: mikekansascity@... [mailto:mikekansascity@...]
  Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 10:38 AM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [ASKC] date & page of article about planetarium???


  Anybody know the date & page of article about planetarium???? - please
post
  ...
  Thank you
  Mike Sterling


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--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Gary Pittman" <gary_rp@s...> wrote:
> From what I have been able to find I had pretty much come to the same
> conclusion. Apparently the people who use Outlook and received the
directory
> do not have the most recent updates to Outlook. I guess I will have
to start
> getting the directory to Rob and have people download it from the
ASKC web
> site.

I have no problem receiving or opening the .exe file.
I use Eudora Pro email, and virus scan any attachments before opening.
The newest version of the directory is in the ASKC members area.
Anyone wishing to download from there, and that do not have the
username and password, drop me an email and I will send it to you.

Rob Robinson
Webmaster

Then there is a good 'ol simple spreadsheet.    That would work too.   This
doesn't have to be fancy...   :-)

Jackie
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Gary Pittman [mailto:gary_rp@...]
  Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 10:09 AM
  To: ASKC
  Subject: [ASKC] Monthly E-Mail Directory Mailing


  We are pretty much coming to the conclusion that for security reasons
  executable files (.EXE files) are being filtered by Microsoft Outlook and
  probably in the not too distant future that trend will spread to other
mail
  reading software.

  I like the self extracting executable because it is much easier for the
  membership to open. Some people may not have the software used to unzip
  files or may not want to bother with having to unzip files. I can send the
  zipped files to the E-Mail Directory mailing list or I can upload the
"self
  extracting file" to the files area of the ASKC E-Group and to the members
  only area of the ASKC web site.

  What do you folks think? I'll take the majority of the replies I receive
and
  do it that way.

  Clear skies,

  Gary Pittman
  gary_rp@...









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--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Gary Pittman" <gary_rp@s...> wrote:
> Today's newspaper, section G on the cover page.

You can also read it online at:
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/entertainment/7592552.htm
You have to register to read articles, but it is just a simple
creation of username and password to access articles.

Rob

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, Jackie Beucher <m31@e...> wrote:
> Then there is a good 'ol simple spreadsheet.    That would work too.
  This
> doesn't have to be fancy...   :-)

To make it functional like the existing email directory would mean
someone would have to encode the spreadsheet with live links to the
addresses. Also, not everyone uses (or may have), Excel on their computer.
It has to be a format, available to all, that wouldn't take a lot of
work to create. 

I purchased a copy of WinZip, so I can take it any way you want to send 
it.  I use the free version of Eudora V6 instead of Outlook, so that's not 
a problem.

Roger

FYI -- In case you didn't see it, NOVA tonight is on the Mars Landing that
happened yesterday.   Be sure and tune in!

Jackie

Thank you. I'm a techno geek and will want to watch it for sure! I'll go in and set the dvr to record it though in case old timer's sets in and I forget.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jackie Beucher 
  To: askc@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 2:33 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] NOVA - tonight at 7 PM - on Mars landings


  FYI -- In case you didn't see it, NOVA tonight is on the Mars Landing that
  happened yesterday.   Be sure and tune in!

  Jackie









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You are welcome.   There was an article in the paper about it the other
day -- NOVA had prepared 80% or so of the program, and were waiting to fill
up the last of the program with last night's results.   So, it should be a
great program!

Jackie
  -----Original Message-----
  From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
  Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 2:49 PM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] NOVA - tonight at 7 PM - on Mars landings


  Thank you. I'm a techno geek and will want to watch it for sure! I'll go
in and set the dvr to record it though in case old timer's sets in and I
forget.
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Jackie Beucher
    To: askc@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 2:33 PM
    Subject: [ASKC] NOVA - tonight at 7 PM - on Mars landings


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that
    happened yesterday.   Be sure and tune in!

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Eric,

Was the article you mentioned in today's (Sunday) Kansas City Star?  If so, what section.  I keep my eyes open for these kind of articles, but if it was in the KC paper, I must have missed it.

Thanks.

Rick Henderson
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: KCStarguy@... 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 9:17 AM
  Subject: [ASKC] kc article about planetarium


  Interesting article abou the planetarium. I knew you all would have something 
  in the works soon and Jackie had stuff in the newspaper. 

  The main thing is that  Science City did not do a lot of publicity (other 
  then the astronomy day stuff we did). The planetarium which is a marvelous 
  astronomical tool for kids ( we know by the Observatory) which is not what can be 
  said for the rest of science center which is a shell of hopeless exhibits. Why 
  have a visitor center if there is literally nothing for people to go and see?

  Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), 
  Olathe, KS. USA



   


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Rick -- It was on the front page of the ARTS section, at the bottom.

Jackie
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Rick Henderson [mailto:rhenderson1@...]
  Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 3:49 PM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] kc article about planetarium


  Eric,

  Was the article you mentioned in today's (Sunday) Kansas City Star?  If
so, what section.  I keep my eyes open for these kind of articles, but if it
was in the KC paper, I must have missed it.

  Thanks.

  Rick Henderson
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: KCStarguy@...
    To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 9:17 AM
    Subject: [ASKC] kc article about planetarium


    Interesting article abou the planetarium. I knew you all would have
something
    in the works soon and Jackie had stuff in the newspaper.

    The main thing is that  Science City did not do a lot of publicity
(other
    then the astronomy day stuff we did). The planetarium which is a
marvelous
    astronomical tool for kids ( we know by the Observatory) which is not
what can be
    said for the rest of science center which is a shell of hopeless
exhibits. Why
    have a visitor center if there is literally nothing for people to go and
see?

    Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...),
    Olathe, KS. USA






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Jackie,

Thanks for the article info.  However, now I think I need blood pressure medication.  What are those people at Science City thinking!?!?!  If thinking anything at all!!!!

I appreciated your and Tim's remarks, but it's obvious that Turner White has no interest in hearing anything said.  His approach reminds me of the ever so prevalent, CEO-type, slash and burn, bottom line thinking that shows no inkling of foresight, creative or visionary thinking.  As a matter of fact, it sounds just like the way Science City promoted the planetarium, sort of a self-fulfilling prophesy.

If the ASKC does decide to try and do something about this, in any form, just let me know how I could help.

Rick Henderson
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jackie Beucher 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 4:03 PM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] kc article about planetarium


  Rick -- It was on the front page of the ARTS section, at the bottom.

  Jackie
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Rick Henderson [mailto:rhenderson1@...]
    Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 3:49 PM
    To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: Re: [ASKC] kc article about planetarium


    Eric,

    Was the article you mentioned in today's (Sunday) Kansas City Star?  If
  so, what section.  I keep my eyes open for these kind of articles, but if it
  was in the KC paper, I must have missed it.

    Thanks.

    Rick Henderson
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: KCStarguy@...
      To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 9:17 AM
      Subject: [ASKC] kc article about planetarium


      Interesting article abou the planetarium. I knew you all would have
  something
      in the works soon and Jackie had stuff in the newspaper.

      The main thing is that  Science City did not do a lot of publicity
  (other
      then the astronomy day stuff we did). The planetarium which is a
  marvelous
      astronomical tool for kids ( we know by the Observatory) which is not
  what can be
      said for the rest of science center which is a shell of hopeless
  exhibits. Why
      have a visitor center if there is literally nothing for people to go and
  see?

      Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...),
      Olathe, KS. USA






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Gary, The easies way around this is to ZIP the file(s) before you send
them, 
Or you can hack the windows reg. and fix outlook (but so will everone
else)
Or like you said have Rob post it on the web page.
 
This is the number two thing I get from my clients..
The number one thing is that the computer is running slow..
adware..virus..popups..
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-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Pittman [mailto:gary_rp@...] 
Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 12:14 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ASKC] E-mail Directory


From what I have been able to find I had pretty much come to the same
conclusion. Apparently the people who use Outlook and received the
directory
do not have the most recent updates to Outlook. I guess I will have to
start
getting the directory to Rob and have people download it from the ASKC
web
site.

Gary
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Gina Fedon [mailto:antares@...]
  Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 11:56 PM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] E-mail Directory


  If you keep Outlook up to date with all the patches, it won't allow
you to
  open .exe attachments.  I do see your attachment in the preview
window,
but
  when I open the message the attachment is not there, and of course I
get a
  message telling me Outlook won't allow me to see it because it's an
  executable.  It's a safety feature.

  Gina
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Gary Pittman [mailto:gary_rp@...]
    Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 9:56 PM
    To: ASKC
    Subject: [ASKC] E-mail Directory


    Well folks. So far I've heard from six individuals who use various
e-mail
    software (Microsoft Outlook included) who say they received the file
    attachment with no problems.

    I always post the same message to myself to be certain that the mail
went
    out properly. I use Microsoft Outlook and received the message
showing
an
    attachment. When I opened the message no attachment was found. Dick
  Harshaw
    who uses Microsoft Outlook and has received previous directories
with no
    problem had the same result that I did. I tried to attach the file
to a
    private message to Dick and again he did not receive it. When I
clicked
  the
    "Send" button I was given a Microsoft Outlook window which said:

    This item contains attachments that are potentially unsafe.
Recipients
  using
    Microsoft Outlook may not be able to open these attachments.

    Do you want to send anyway?
    For more information on unsafe attachments, see the help topic on
"Unsafe
    Attachments".

    Apparently, recent versions of Microsoft Outlook have security
software
    built in which does not allow attachment of certain file types to be
  viewed.
    I'm still gathering information on this. More answers when they
become
    available.


    Clear skies,

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It was in today's paper Rick. Section G on the cover page.

Gary
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Rick Henderson [mailto:rhenderson1@...]
  Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 3:49 PM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] kc article about planetarium


  Eric,

  Was the article you mentioned in today's (Sunday) Kansas City Star?  If
so, what section.  I keep my eyes open for these kind of articles, but if it
was in the KC paper, I must have missed it.

  Thanks.

  Rick Henderson
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: KCStarguy@...
    To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 9:17 AM
    Subject: [ASKC] kc article about planetarium


    Interesting article abou the planetarium. I knew you all would have
something
    in the works soon and Jackie had stuff in the newspaper.

    The main thing is that  Science City did not do a lot of publicity
(other
    then the astronomy day stuff we did). The planetarium which is a
marvelous
    astronomical tool for kids ( we know by the Observatory) which is not
what can be
    said for the rest of science center which is a shell of hopeless
exhibits. Why
    have a visitor center if there is literally nothing for people to go and
see?

    Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...),
    Olathe, KS. USA






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After reading today's KC Star article, we were left wondering if there is anything that can be done to reverse the decision or if this is a "done deal"?  Would hearing from the public in petition or letter form help?  

Gwen & Paul Claessen

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OK...  Now that you and Rick have said something....

It is the opinion of some that the decision by Science City is a "done
deal".    BUT.   They haven't started changing things yet, and I say there
is always hope.

What I suggest is that we all write a letter, and mail it to Turner White,
the KC Star, and.... who else?  Mayor Kay Barnes?  Who is "above" Turner
White in the hierarchy?   Who else needs to know how the public feels?   How
can we enlist the aid of, say, the science teachers around the city?   We
could have an impact if we tried.  Then if it didn't work, we could always
say that we tried.   suggestions of who to appeal to would be welcome.
I'd write today!

Jackie




  -----Original Message-----
  From: Gwen [mailto:gwen@...]
  Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 4:29 PM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] kc article about planetarium


  After reading today's KC Star article, we were left wondering if there is
anything that can be done to reverse the decision or if this is a "done
deal"?  Would hearing from the public in petition or letter form help?

  Gwen & Paul Claessen

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Would email letters be effective?  They would be quick!
Anybody have email addresses for these individuals?  Tim?
Mike Sterling


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I'd suggest we also write the Board of Directors of Science City (whoever
they are-- how can we find out?) and that we work closely with science
teachers in the bi-state region.  Most of them probably won't care (they
haven't cared enough apparently to visit the place), but it would not hurt
to enlist their support.  Probably the best bet for that would be to contact
the various school districts and ask who we could contact regarding our
appeal and their part in it.

It might also be good for the club to sponsor a letter to the editor of the
STAR. (I don't know the procedure for this, or how it is covered in our
by-laws, but I would think a well-written letter -- hint, hint, Mr. Kristl--
signed by the Board of Directors would have some merit.)



Dick H


-----Original Message-----
From: Jackie Beucher [mailto:m31@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 5:13 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ASKC] kc article about planetarium


OK...  Now that you and Rick have said something....

It is the opinion of some that the decision by Science City is a "done
deal".    BUT.   They haven't started changing things yet, and I say there
is always hope.

What I suggest is that we all write a letter, and mail it to Turner White,
the KC Star, and.... who else?  Mayor Kay Barnes?  Who is "above" Turner
White in the hierarchy?   Who else needs to know how the public feels?   How
can we enlist the aid of, say, the science teachers around the city?   We
could have an impact if we tried.  Then if it didn't work, we could always
say that we tried.   suggestions of who to appeal to would be welcome.
I'd write today!

Jackie

What does being the marketing director involve?

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From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...] 
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 12:36 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Marketing Director


Amy Robinson has a new job and will not be able to continue as Marketing
person.

Anyone out there want something to do?

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Jackie,

You're on...  letters@... is my first stop.

Rick Henderson
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jackie Beucher 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 5:13 PM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] kc article about planetarium


  OK...  Now that you and Rick have said something....

  It is the opinion of some that the decision by Science City is a "done
  deal".    BUT.   They haven't started changing things yet, and I say there
  is always hope.

  What I suggest is that we all write a letter, and mail it to Turner White,
  the KC Star, and.... who else?  Mayor Kay Barnes?  Who is "above" Turner
  White in the hierarchy?   Who else needs to know how the public feels?   How
  can we enlist the aid of, say, the science teachers around the city?   We
  could have an impact if we tried.  Then if it didn't work, we could always
  say that we tried.   suggestions of who to appeal to would be welcome.
  I'd write today!

  Jackie




    -----Original Message-----
    From: Gwen [mailto:gwen@...]
    Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 4:29 PM
    To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: Re: [ASKC] kc article about planetarium


    After reading today's KC Star article, we were left wondering if there is
  anything that can be done to reverse the decision or if this is a "done
  deal"?  Would hearing from the public in petition or letter form help?

    Gwen & Paul Claessen

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Very good, Rick!    Let's enlist the aid of everyone we can think of, and
just BOMBARD them with letters.   Jackie
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Rick Henderson [mailto:rhenderson1@...]
  Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 5:40 PM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] kc article about planetarium


  Jackie,

  You're on...  letters@... is my first stop.

  Rick Henderson
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Jackie Beucher
    To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 5:13 PM
    Subject: RE: [ASKC] kc article about planetarium


    OK...  Now that you and Rick have said something....

    It is the opinion of some that the decision by Science City is a "done
    deal".    BUT.   They haven't started changing things yet, and I say
there
    is always hope.

    What I suggest is that we all write a letter, and mail it to Turner
White,
    the KC Star, and.... who else?  Mayor Kay Barnes?  Who is "above" Turner
    White in the hierarchy?   Who else needs to know how the public feels?
How
    can we enlist the aid of, say, the science teachers around the city?
We
    could have an impact if we tried.  Then if it didn't work, we could
always
    say that we tried.   suggestions of who to appeal to would be welcome.
    I'd write today!

    Jackie




      -----Original Message-----
      From: Gwen [mailto:gwen@...]
      Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 4:29 PM
      To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [ASKC] kc article about planetarium


      After reading today's KC Star article, we were left wondering if there
is
    anything that can be done to reverse the decision or if this is a "done
    deal"?  Would hearing from the public in petition or letter form help?

      Gwen & Paul Claessen

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--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "sm20" <sm20@f...> wrote:
> This is the number two thing I get from my clients..
> The number one thing is that the computer is running slow..
> adware..virus..popups..
> See http://www.foxware.com/security/ for help on the slow problem..

Any reason I am getting a "connection refused" message when trying to
connect to your server????

Rob

I always rename self extracting zip files from ".exe" to ".zip" so that my
zip software can extract the files instead of the code in the exe.  This
helps to reduce the likelihood of malicious code running.

  _____  

From: Gina Fedon [mailto:antares@...] 
Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 10:53 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] RE: Monthly E-Mail Directory Mailing


Yes, zipped files would be fine, whether emailed or uploaded.  I could go
either way.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Pittman [mailto:gary_rp@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 10:09 AM
To: ASKC
Subject: [ASKC] Monthly E-Mail Directory Mailing


We are pretty much coming to the conclusion that for security reasons
executable files (.EXE files) are being filtered by Microsoft Outlook and
probably in the not too distant future that trend will spread to other mail
reading software.

I like the self extracting executable because it is much easier for the
membership to open. Some people may not have the software used to unzip
files or may not want to bother with having to unzip files. I can send the
zipped files to the E-Mail Directory mailing list or I can upload the "self
extracting file" to the files area of the ASKC E-Group and to the members
only area of the ASKC web site.

What do you folks think? I'll take the majority of the replies I receive and
do it that way.

Clear skies,

Gary Pittman
gary_rp@...



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The zip included in the newer windows is very good along with the pkzip Dick
mentioned.   Another one I like is called Stuffit Expander.  The expander
part is free and along with ".zip" files, it can also open ".sit" files that
you might receive from a Macintosh users.
 
http://www.stuffit.com/compression/index.html
 
--james

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From: Dick Harshaw [mailto:dwharshaw@...] 
Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 10:15 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ASKC] Monthly E-Mail Directory Mailing


All versions of Windows since Windows 98 shipped with an Unzipper built in;
for those who have earlier versions of Windows, you can download the
Unzipper free from sites like http://www.interpages.co.uk/pkzipage/.

Dick H


-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Pittman [mailto:gary_rp@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 10:09 AM
To: ASKC
Subject: [ASKC] Monthly E-Mail Directory Mailing


We are pretty much coming to the conclusion that for security reasons
executable files (.EXE files) are being filtered by Microsoft Outlook and
probably in the not too distant future that trend will spread to other mail
reading software.

I like the self extracting executable because it is much easier for the
membership to open. Some people may not have the software used to unzip
files or may not want to bother with having to unzip files. I can send the
zipped files to the E-Mail Directory mailing list or I can upload the "self
extracting file" to the files area of the ASKC E-Group and to the members
only area of the ASKC web site.

What do you folks think? I'll take the majority of the replies I receive and
do it that way.

Clear skies,

Gary Pittman
gary_rp@...








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Selling the astro stuff (other than t-shirts) at meetings. The table out front with trinkets, flashlights, patches, etc. I have all of the stuff here at my house now.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: James Pageau 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 5:20 PM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] Marketing Director


  What does being the marketing director involve?

    _____  

  From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...] 
  Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 12:36 PM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [ASKC] Marketing Director


  Amy Robinson has a new job and will not be able to continue as Marketing
  person.

  Anyone out there want something to do?

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That's a good idea James. Something to keep in mind.

Gary
  -----Original Message-----
  From: James Pageau [mailto:james@...]
  Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 6:58 PM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] RE: Monthly E-Mail Directory Mailing


  I always rename self extracting zip files from ".exe" to ".zip" so that my
  zip software can extract the files instead of the code in the exe.  This
  helps to reduce the likelihood of malicious code running.

    _____

  From: Gina Fedon [mailto:antares@...]
  Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 10:53 AM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [ASKC] RE: Monthly E-Mail Directory Mailing


  Yes, zipped files would be fine, whether emailed or uploaded.  I could go
  either way.

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Gary Pittman [mailto:gary_rp@...]
  Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 10:09 AM
  To: ASKC
  Subject: [ASKC] Monthly E-Mail Directory Mailing


  We are pretty much coming to the conclusion that for security reasons
  executable files (.EXE files) are being filtered by Microsoft Outlook and
  probably in the not too distant future that trend will spread to other
mail
  reading software.

  I like the self extracting executable because it is much easier for the
  membership to open. Some people may not have the software used to unzip
  files or may not want to bother with having to unzip files. I can send the
  zipped files to the E-Mail Directory mailing list or I can upload the
"self
  extracting file" to the files area of the ASKC E-Group and to the members
  only area of the ASKC web site.

  What do you folks think? I'll take the majority of the replies I receive
and
  do it that way.

  Clear skies,

  Gary Pittman
  gary_rp@...



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I just now saw NASA engineer Nagin Cox on the Nova program.  I saw her on the NASA channel last night as well as on Channel 4 (WDAF-TV) on the 5:00p.m. news tonight.  She was easy to spot in her red attire in all all three segments.  As many of you may remember, she was the speaker at the February 2002 ASKC General Meeting.  She is a member of the Mars Rover team and has been involved in many other projects for NASA and JPL.

Several of us have also heard her talk over the past few years at other locations such as the SAC museum near Omaha as well as at Astronomical League conventions.

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fyi
It was a good program sunday.  However it seems like the program was going to 
tack on current more stuff at the end. Instead it looks like they will have 
more on Monday night.
This shout be exciting.
Maybe we should have a Mars night next Saturday. If all goes well weather 
wise, I have a group schedules for a presentation and telescope work on the 17th. 

Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), 
Olathe, KS. USA
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<< Message: 20
   Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 14:49:07 -0600
   From: "David Young" <dyoung8@...>
Subject: Re: NOVA - tonight at 7 PM - on Mars landings

Thank you. I'm a techno geek and will want to watch it for sure! I'll go in 
and set the dvr to record it though in case old timer's sets in and I forget.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jackie Beucher 
  To: askc@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 2:33 PM >>

The Power was out at my warehouse a high power line was down.
 
All a go now...
 
David F.

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From: sc285 [mailto:webmaster@...] 
Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 6:40 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Re: E-mail Directory


--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "sm20" <sm20@f...> wrote:
> This is the number two thing I get from my clients..
> The number one thing is that the computer is running slow..
> adware..virus..popups..
> See http://www.foxware.com/security/ for help on the slow problem..

Any reason I am getting a "connection refused" message when trying to
connect to your server????

Rob









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Did KCPT say Mon. or Tues Night for the more information?
 
David F.

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From: KCStarguy@... [mailto:KCStarguy@...] 
Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 9:00 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] NOVA Monday mars


fyi
It was a good program sunday.  However it seems like the program was
going to 
tack on current more stuff at the end. Instead it looks like they will
have 
more on Monday night.
This shout be exciting.
Maybe we should have a Mars night next Saturday. If all goes well
weather 
wise, I have a group schedules for a presentation and telescope work on
the 17th. 

Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), 
Olathe, KS. USA
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   Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 14:49:07 -0600
   From: "David Young" <dyoung8@...>
Subject: Re: NOVA - tonight at 7 PM - on Mars landings

Thank you. I'm a techno geek and will want to watch it for sure! I'll go
in 
and set the dvr to record it though in case old timer's sets in and I
forget.
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Tuesday night at 7:00 was what they said tonight on Nova.  It appears that it will be a repeat of tonight's show, but with some additional new stuff from the Rover.

If anyone has more info, let us all know.  I thoroughly enjoyed tonight's Nova.

Rick Henderson
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  From: sm20 
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  Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 9:06 PM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] NOVA Monday mars


  Did KCPT say Mon. or Tues Night for the more information?
   
  David F.

  -----Original Message-----
  From: KCStarguy@... [mailto:KCStarguy@...] 
  Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 9:00 PM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [ASKC] NOVA Monday mars


  fyi
  It was a good program sunday.  However it seems like the program was
  going to 
  tack on current more stuff at the end. Instead it looks like they will
  have 
  more on Monday night.
  This shout be exciting.
  Maybe we should have a Mars night next Saturday. If all goes well
  weather 
  wise, I have a group schedules for a presentation and telescope work on
  the 17th. 

  Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), 
  Olathe, KS. USA
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     Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 14:49:07 -0600
     From: "David Young" <dyoung8@...>
  Subject: Re: NOVA - tonight at 7 PM - on Mars landings

  Thank you. I'm a techno geek and will want to watch it for sure! I'll go
  in 
  and set the dvr to record it though in case old timer's sets in and I
  forget.
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The made an announcement there would be more on Tuesday nights program, including high resolution color images.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: KCStarguy@... 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 8:59 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] NOVA Monday mars


  fyi
  It was a good program sunday.  However it seems like the program was going to 
  tack on current more stuff at the end. Instead it looks like they will have 
  more on Monday night.
  This shout be exciting.
  Maybe we should have a Mars night next Saturday. If all goes well weather 
  wise, I have a group schedules for a presentation and telescope work on the 17th. 

  Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), 
  Olathe, KS. USA
  **
  << Message: 20
     Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 14:49:07 -0600
     From: "David Young" <dyoung8@...>
  Subject: Re: NOVA - tonight at 7 PM - on Mars landings

  Thank you. I'm a techno geek and will want to watch it for sure! I'll go in 
  and set the dvr to record it though in case old timer's sets in and I forget.
    ----- Original Message ----- 
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    To: askc@yahoogroups.com 
    Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 2:33 PM >>








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I have taken over the ordering of the Observer's Handbook from the Royal Astronomical Society of Canada. Many of you are already familiar with these excellent handbooks and may want to order one.

We currently only have four orders. The per unit pricing is as follows:
1-4        25.95
5-9        16.50
10-24    15.00

As you can see, there are some significant price breaks based on the quantity ordered.

If you would like one of these handbooks please reply asap. If I don't hear from anyone I will order 6 and assume I can unload the extras somewhere down the road.


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Dude:

I'll take one and the observatory could use one.

TTTucson sure sounds good.

Joe

David Young wrote:

>  I have taken over the ordering of the Observer's Handbook from the
> Royal Astronomical Society of Canada. Many of you are already familiar
> with these excellent handbooks and may want to order one.
>
> We currently only have four orders. The per unit pricing is as
> follows:
> 1-4        25.95
> 5-9        16.50
> 10-24    15.00
>
> As you can see, there are some significant price breaks based on the
> quantity ordered.
>
> If you would like one of these handbooks please reply asap. If I don't
> hear from anyone I will order 6 and assume I can unload the extras
> somewhere down the road.
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I'll take one, I don't think you will have a problem getting rid of them
after the others see one.
 
David F.

-----Original Message-----
From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...] 
Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 9:44 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Re:Handbooks


I have taken over the ordering of the Observer's Handbook from the Royal
Astronomical Society of Canada. Many of you are already familiar with
these excellent handbooks and may want to order one.

We currently only have four orders. The per unit pricing is as follows:
1-4        25.95
5-9        16.50
10-24    15.00

As you can see, there are some significant price breaks based on the
quantity ordered.

If you would like one of these handbooks please reply asap. If I don't
hear from anyone I will order 6 and assume I can unload the extras
somewhere down the road.


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David,

You can put me down for one copy of the Observer's handbook from the Royal
Astronomical Society.

Thank you!
Paul Claessen
paul@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Young" <dyoung8@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 9:43 PM
Subject: [ASKC] Re:Handbooks


> I have taken over the ordering of the Observer's Handbook from the Royal
Astronomical Society of Canada. Many of you are already familiar with these
excellent handbooks and may want to order one.
>
> We currently only have four orders. The per unit pricing is as follows:
> 1-4        25.95
> 5-9        16.50
> 10-24    15.00
>
> As you can see, there are some significant price breaks based on the
quantity ordered.
>
> If you would like one of these handbooks please reply asap. If I don't
hear from anyone I will order 6 and assume I can unload the extras somewhere
down the road.

On Time Warner Cable channel 17 (NASA TV), they are playing real time
mission control footage.  They are showing thumbnails they just downloaded
from the rover through the high gain antenna.  All their diagnostics on the
rover seem to be going well.
 
They said that In an hour they will have another communications window via
Odyssey that will allow them to download the high res images.
 
--James

  _____  

From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...] 
Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 9:34 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] NOVA Monday mars


The made an announcement there would be more on Tuesday nights program,
including high resolution color images.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: KCStarguy@... 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 8:59 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] NOVA Monday mars


  fyi
  It was a good program sunday.  However it seems like the program was going
to 
  tack on current more stuff at the end. Instead it looks like they will
have 
  more on Monday night.
  This shout be exciting.
  Maybe we should have a Mars night next Saturday. If all goes well weather 
  wise, I have a group schedules for a presentation and telescope work on
the 17th. 

  Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), 
  Olathe, KS. USA
  **
  << Message: 20
     Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 14:49:07 -0600
     From: "David Young" <dyoung8@...>
  Subject: Re: NOVA - tonight at 7 PM - on Mars landings

  Thank you. I'm a techno geek and will want to watch it for sure! I'll go
in 
  and set the dvr to record it though in case old timer's sets in and I
forget.
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Jackie Beucher 
    To: askc@yahoogroups.com 
    Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 2:33 PM >>








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Well,  NASA TV just signed off for the evening and now it has switched to
the Classic Arts showcase. : (
 
--james

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From: James Pageau [mailto:james@...] 
Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 11:55 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Spirit Rover


On Time Warner Cable channel 17 (NASA TV), they are playing real time
mission control footage.  They are showing thumbnails they just downloaded
from the rover through the high gain antenna.  All their diagnostics on the
rover seem to be going well.

They said that In an hour they will have another communications window via
Odyssey that will allow them to download the high res images.

--James

  _____  

From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...] 
Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 9:34 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] NOVA Monday mars


The made an announcement there would be more on Tuesday nights program,
including high resolution color images.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: KCStarguy@... 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 8:59 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] NOVA Monday mars


  fyi
  It was a good program sunday.  However it seems like the program was going
to 
  tack on current more stuff at the end. Instead it looks like they will
have 
  more on Monday night.
  This shout be exciting.
  Maybe we should have a Mars night next Saturday. If all goes well weather 
  wise, I have a group schedules for a presentation and telescope work on
the 17th. 

  Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), 
  Olathe, KS. USA
  **
  << Message: 20
     Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 14:49:07 -0600
     From: "David Young" <dyoung8@...>
  Subject: Re: NOVA - tonight at 7 PM - on Mars landings

  Thank you. I'm a techno geek and will want to watch it for sure! I'll go
in 
  and set the dvr to record it though in case old timer's sets in and I
forget.
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Jackie Beucher 
    To: askc@yahoogroups.com 
    Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 2:33 PM >>








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Any chance she could get behind the 'save the planetarium' effort???
Mike Sterling


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cnn was carrying some of it now and then. I'll try them in the pnp
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: James Pageau 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 12:02 AM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] Spirit Rover


  Well,  NASA TV just signed off for the evening and now it has switched to
  the Classic Arts showcase. : (

  --james

    _____  

  From: James Pageau [mailto:james@...] 
  Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 11:55 PM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [ASKC] Spirit Rover


  On Time Warner Cable channel 17 (NASA TV), they are playing real time
  mission control footage.  They are showing thumbnails they just downloaded
  from the rover through the high gain antenna.  All their diagnostics on the
  rover seem to be going well.

  They said that In an hour they will have another communications window via
  Odyssey that will allow them to download the high res images.

  --James

    _____  

  From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...] 
  Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 9:34 PM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] NOVA Monday mars


  The made an announcement there would be more on Tuesday nights program,
  including high resolution color images.
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: KCStarguy@... 
    To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
    Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 8:59 PM
    Subject: [ASKC] NOVA Monday mars


    fyi
    It was a good program sunday.  However it seems like the program was going
  to 
    tack on current more stuff at the end. Instead it looks like they will
  have 
    more on Monday night.
    This shout be exciting.
    Maybe we should have a Mars night next Saturday. If all goes well weather 
    wise, I have a group schedules for a presentation and telescope work on
  the 17th. 

    Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), 
    Olathe, KS. USA
    **
    << Message: 20
       Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 14:49:07 -0600
       From: "David Young" <dyoung8@...>
    Subject: Re: NOVA - tonight at 7 PM - on Mars landings

    Thank you. I'm a techno geek and will want to watch it for sure! I'll go
  in 
    and set the dvr to record it though in case old timer's sets in and I
  forget.
      ----- Original Message ----- 
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      To: askc@yahoogroups.com 
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Now we are at 8 so I'll order at least 10 to get the $15 price. I'll plan on placing the order after the board meeting in case any of the people there want to ad to the list.

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put me down for a handbook
Mike Sterling


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propose to Science City - maybe make it a challenge to them - "give us a 
weekend and we'll show you the interested public" ---  "SEE KC STARS"
let us be in charge - heck - bet we could even get somebody familiar with the 
tech. from another museum to do the star ball - get an astronaut there - in 
the evenings - we also have about 20+ scopes on Saturn & other objects - if 
several of the Starmaster scopes - big wow - heck - turn it in to an 'urban star 
party' I've yet to have John Doe not be excited about even the moon and Saturn 
- and the moon even works with cloud cover - get 'everybody' in the area 
involved - and vendors too - bet we could even get manufactures to donate scopes 
for the public door prizes - we could give memberships to ASKC as door prize - 
have solar filters for day use - one guy at the Great Plains Star party viewed 
Saturn w/rings in daylight  - I saw it and Jupiter with his 11" Celestron in 
daylight!- (think what those Starmasters would show) contact all the regional 
astro clubs - set up a bunch of scopes outside the doors and a bunch up on top 
of the Liberty Memorial plaza area- all they can say is no - kinda like the 
'Sagan' saga - we had not because we asked not- then with a little ol email - 
we had!
dang I love this astronomy stuff - u guys get me goin  lol - anyway - this 
would take time and effort - but worth it - my 4 cents worth
Mike Sterling


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Please add my name to the list of RASC Handbook buyers.

Thank you,

David Neuenschwander

Joe --  That lady was Nagin Cox.    I saw her on the NOVA program last
night.   For those of you that missed it, there is another show on Tuesday
night on PBS, NOVA -- on Mars, and the lastest "stuff".   I think it's on at
7 PM.

Jackie

-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Wright [mailto:jswright@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 11:27 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Mars Landing



Did anyone catch the live feed from JPL on the landing.  It's there, its
alive!  The lady that spoke to us some months ago was there as part of
the team.

In the rush to send a message and to get back to the program,  I sent it
to the wrong group.  Them basket weavers are probably wondering what the
heck I was talking about.

Joe





 

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Make that Tuesday night, Eric!  Jackie

-----Original Message-----
From: KCStarguy@... [mailto:KCStarguy@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 9:00 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] NOVA Monday mars


fyi
It was a good program sunday.  However it seems like the program was going
to 
tack on current more stuff at the end. Instead it looks like they will have 
more on Monday night.
This shout be exciting.
Maybe we should have a Mars night next Saturday. If all goes well weather 
wise, I have a group schedules for a presentation and telescope work on the
17th. 

Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), 
Olathe, KS. USA
**
<< Message: 20
   Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 14:49:07 -0600
   From: "David Young" <dyoung8@...>
Subject: Re: NOVA - tonight at 7 PM - on Mars landings

Thank you. I'm a techno geek and will want to watch it for sure! I'll go in 
and set the dvr to record it though in case old timer's sets in and I
forget.
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  To: askc@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 2:33 PM >>




 


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Probably not, but Mike Reynolds said he would write a letter.   I will be in
touch with him.

Jackie

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 12:29 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Nagin Cox on Nova program just now at 1951


Any chance she could get behind the 'save the planetarium' effort???
Mike Sterling


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You are on the list.
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  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
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  Subject: [ASKC] Re: handbooks


  Please add my name to the list of RASC Handbook buyers.

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  David Neuenschwander









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I have the following down for handbooks

Kathleen Karnes   Paid
Donald Hymer       Paid
David Nuenschwander
Observatory
Bill VanKirk
David Young
Joe Wright
Paul Claessen
Mike Sterling
Ricahrd Fredrick

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Don't forget me.. for 1, Thanks

David Fox
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  From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
  Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 1:45 PM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [ASKC] handbooks


  I have the following down for handbooks

  Kathleen Karnes   Paid
  Donald Hymer       Paid
  David Nuenschwander
  Observatory
  Bill VanKirk
  David Young
  Joe Wright
  Paul Claessen
  Mike Sterling
  Ricahrd Fredrick

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Now I have the following down for handbooks

Kathleen Karnes   Paid
Donald Hymer       Paid
David Nuenschwander
Observatory
Bill VanKirk
David Young
Joe Wright
Paul Claessen
Mike Sterling
Ricahrd Fredrick
David Fox

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put me down I like to look at the pictures  Sharon Goode
  -----Original Message-----
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  Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 4:17 PM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] handbooks


  Now I have the following down for handbooks

  Kathleen Karnes   Paid
  Donald Hymer       Paid
  David Nuenschwander
  Observatory
  Bill VanKirk
  David Young
  Joe Wright
  Paul Claessen
  Mike Sterling
  Ricahrd Fredrick
  David Fox

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Now I have the following down for handbooks

Kathleen Karnes   Paid
Donald Hymer       Paid
David Nuenschwander
Observatory
Bill VanKirk
David Young
Joe Wright
Paul Claessen
Mike Sterling
Ricahrd Fredrick
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I've been watching the Mars -- NASA press conference on Time-Warner channel 
2 in western Shawnee.

When they show the stereo photos, you want a red filter on your left eye 
and a blue filter on your right eye -- I used my eyepiece filter set.  Be 
prepared.

Happy viewing!

Roger

David,

Put me down for a handbook also.  How do I do the payment part?

Rick Henderson
  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 4:17 PM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] handbooks


  Now I have the following down for handbooks

  Kathleen Karnes   Paid
  Donald Hymer       Paid
  David Nuenschwander
  Observatory
  Bill VanKirk
  David Young
  Joe Wright
  Paul Claessen
  Mike Sterling
  Ricahrd Fredrick
  David Fox

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Put me down for one David. That should put us near the $15 per book price
break.

Gary Pittman
  -----Original Message-----
  From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
  Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 9:44 PM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [ASKC] Re:Handbooks


  I have taken over the ordering of the Observer's Handbook from the Royal
Astronomical Society of Canada. Many of you are already familiar with these
excellent handbooks and may want to order one.

  We currently only have four orders. The per unit pricing is as follows:
  1-4        25.95
  5-9        16.50
  10-24    15.00

  As you can see, there are some significant price breaks based on the
quantity ordered.

  If you would like one of these handbooks please reply asap. If I don't
hear from anyone I will order 6 and assume I can unload the extras somewhere
down the road.


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Add me
Tim Kristl

In a message dated 1/5/04 1:49:57 PM Central Standard Time, dyoung8@... 
writes:

Kathleen Karnes   Paid
Donald Hymer       Paid
David Nuenschwander
Observatory
Bill VanKirk
David Young
Joe Wright
Paul Claessen
Mike Sterling
Ricahrd Fredrick

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I can zap ya a PayPal ... put in mail ... or next meeting?
Which is easier for you?
Mike Sterling


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  Now I have the following down for handbooks

  Kathleen Karnes   Paid
  Donald Hymer       Paid
  David Nuenschwander
  Observatory
  Bill VanKirk
  David Young
  Joe Wright
  Paul Claessen
  Mike Sterling
  Ricahrd Fredrick
  David Fox
    Rick Henderson
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At the end of the show they said to tune in again on Tuesday evening for the latest color pictures and an updated report. It sounded to me like an additional show rather than a repeat of the one on Sunday.

Johnny

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jackie Beucher 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 3:23 PM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] NOVA - tonight at 7 PM - on Mars landings


  You are welcome.   There was an article in the paper about it the other
  day -- NOVA had prepared 80% or so of the program, and were waiting to fill
  up the last of the program with last night's results.   So, it should be a
  great program!

  Jackie
    -----Original Message-----
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    Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 2:49 PM
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    Thank you. I'm a techno geek and will want to watch it for sure! I'll go
  in and set the dvr to record it though in case old timer's sets in and I
  forget.
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Jackie Beucher
      To: askc@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 2:33 PM
      Subject: [ASKC] NOVA - tonight at 7 PM - on Mars landings


      FYI -- In case you didn't see it, NOVA tonight is on the Mars Landing
  that
      happened yesterday.   Be sure and tune in!

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Roger,

Great Idea!  And it works!!

Since I mostly do astrophotography, I always wondered what those little filters with the screw in threads were REALLY for!

Thanks!!

-Dave Dembinski




"Roger A. Gruenke" <rgruenke@...> wrote:

>I've been watching the Mars -- NASA press conference on Time-Warner channel 
>2 in western Shawnee.
>
>When they show the stereo photos, you want a red filter on your left eye 
>and a blue filter on your right eye -- I used my eyepiece filter set. �Be 
>prepared.
>
>Happy viewing!
>
>Roger
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 11:11 AM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] Re: handbooks


  You are on the list.
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: David Neuenschwander 
    To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
    Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 2:19 AM
    Subject: [ASKC] Re: handbooks


    Please add my name to the list of RASC Handbook buyers.

    Thank you,

    David Neuenschwander









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  Now I have the following down for handbooks

  Kathleen Karnes   Paid
  Donald Hymer       Paid
  David Nuenschwander
  Observatory
  Bill VanKirk
  David Young
  Joe Wright
  Paul Claessen
  Mike Sterling
  Ricahrd Fredrick
  David Fox
  Rick Henderson
  Gary Pitman
  Tim Kristl
    Johnny Allen



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If you squint you can keep them in place even with your glasses on without using your hands. I caught a glimpse of myself in the reflection off the glass of the bookcase. I thought I looked bizare before!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Roger A. Gruenke 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 6:47 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] Mars images


  I've been watching the Mars -- NASA press conference on Time-Warner channel 
  2 in western Shawnee.

  When they show the stereo photos, you want a red filter on your left eye 
  and a blue filter on your right eye -- I used my eyepiece filter set.  Be 
  prepared.

  Happy viewing!

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http://www.rainbowsymphony.com/freestuff.html

You can send off for 3D glasses for "free" at this web site. Send them a sase and give them your e-mail address and they'll send you a set.

If you have an August 1998 issue of National Geographic, there is a 3 D viewer inside. It's a lot easier than using two "monicles" ;-)

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Or... you can drop by US Toy and buy some.   They have them.   I also
thought perhaps Blockbuster might, since they probably rent some 3D movies,
but that is just a guess.   I have 30-40 of them at home with the ASKC slide
library that go with the Sojourner 3D slide sets....

Jackie

-----Original Message-----
From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 7:51 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] 3 D


http://www.rainbowsymphony.com/freestuff.html

You can send off for 3D glasses for "free" at this web site. Send them a
sase and give them your e-mail address and they'll send you a set.

If you have an August 1998 issue of National Geographic, there is a 3 D
viewer inside. It's a lot easier than using two "monicles" ;-)

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How about bringing some to the board meeting? Perhaps we should also have them available at the GM. Do you know how much they cost?

Damn it's cold outside and I have to go fix a gas well!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Beucher, Jackie 
  To: 'ASKC@yahoogroups.com' 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 7:59 AM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] 3 D


  Or... you can drop by US Toy and buy some.   They have them.   I also
  thought perhaps Blockbuster might, since they probably rent some 3D movies,
  but that is just a guess.   I have 30-40 of them at home with the ASKC slide
  library that go with the Sojourner 3D slide sets....

  Jackie

  -----Original Message-----
  From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
  Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 7:51 AM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [ASKC] 3 D


  http://www.rainbowsymphony.com/freestuff.html

  You can send off for 3D glasses for "free" at this web site. Send them a
  sase and give them your e-mail address and they'll send you a set.

  If you have an August 1998 issue of National Geographic, there is a 3 D
  viewer inside. It's a lot easier than using two "monicles" ;-)

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David -- I'd be too late for tonights' program.   Also, I bought these for
the ASKC slide library from Rainbow Symphony a few years back.  They sort of
have to stay with the slides, as I used some in August for some of the slide
shows (Mars in 3D).   So, if anyone out there ever wants to use them, they
are available!

If we are going to show new Mars images at the next GM (great idea, David!)
I could bring them...

Jackie

-----Original Message-----
From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 8:25 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] 3 D


How about bringing some to the board meeting? Perhaps we should also have
them available at the GM. Do you know how much they cost?

Damn it's cold outside and I have to go fix a gas well!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Beucher, Jackie 
  To: 'ASKC@yahoogroups.com' 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 7:59 AM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] 3 D


  Or... you can drop by US Toy and buy some.   They have them.   I also
  thought perhaps Blockbuster might, since they probably rent some 3D
movies,
  but that is just a guess.   I have 30-40 of them at home with the ASKC
slide
  library that go with the Sojourner 3D slide sets....

  Jackie

  -----Original Message-----
  From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
  Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 7:51 AM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [ASKC] 3 D


  http://www.rainbowsymphony.com/freestuff.html

  You can send off for 3D glasses for "free" at this web site. Send them a
  sase and give them your e-mail address and they'll send you a set.

  If you have an August 1998 issue of National Geographic, there is a 3 D
  viewer inside. It's a lot easier than using two "monicles" ;-)

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US Toy has them for $1.95 per dozen. I'll be going over to St. Joseph Hospital later today and I'll pick up a couple of dozen for people who might like to view the 3-D stuff coming from Spirit and Opportunity.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Beucher, Jackie 
  To: 'ASKC@yahoogroups.com' 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 8:41 AM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] 3 D


  David -- I'd be too late for tonights' program.   Also, I bought these for
  the ASKC slide library from Rainbow Symphony a few years back.  They sort of
  have to stay with the slides, as I used some in August for some of the slide
  shows (Mars in 3D).   So, if anyone out there ever wants to use them, they
  are available!

  If we are going to show new Mars images at the next GM (great idea, David!)
  I could bring them...

  Jackie

  -----Original Message-----
  From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
  Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 8:25 AM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] 3 D


  How about bringing some to the board meeting? Perhaps we should also have
  them available at the GM. Do you know how much they cost?

  Damn it's cold outside and I have to go fix a gas well!
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Beucher, Jackie 
    To: 'ASKC@yahoogroups.com' 
    Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 7:59 AM
    Subject: RE: [ASKC] 3 D


    Or... you can drop by US Toy and buy some.   They have them.   I also
    thought perhaps Blockbuster might, since they probably rent some 3D
  movies,
    but that is just a guess.   I have 30-40 of them at home with the ASKC
  slide
    library that go with the Sojourner 3D slide sets....

    Jackie

    -----Original Message-----
    From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
    Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 7:51 AM
    To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: [ASKC] 3 D


    http://www.rainbowsymphony.com/freestuff.html

    You can send off for 3D glasses for "free" at this web site. Send them a
    sase and give them your e-mail address and they'll send you a set.

    If you have an August 1998 issue of National Geographic, there is a 3 D
    viewer inside. It's a lot easier than using two "monicles" ;-)

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David,

Please add me.

-Dave Dembinski


"David Young" <dyoung8@...> wrote:

>
> �Now I have the following down for handbooks
>
> �Kathleen Karnes � Paid
> �Donald Hymer � � � Paid
> �David Nuenschwander
> �Observatory
> �Bill VanKirk
> �David Young
> �Joe Wright
> �Paul Claessen
> �Mike Sterling
> �Ricahrd Fredrick
> �David Fox
> �Rick Henderson
> �Gary Pitman
> �Tim Kristl
> � �Johnny Allen
>
>
>
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Lets see,

1 Dr. Dave + 1 Dr. Dave = a...pair a docs?  Hmmm.  
 
> Please add me.
> 
> -Dave Dembinski
> 
> 
> "David Young" <dyoung8@k...> wrote:
> 
> >
> >  Now I have the following down for handbooks
> >
> >  Kathleen Karnes   Paid
> >  Donald Hymer       Paid
> >  David Nuenschwander
> >  Observatory
> >  Bill VanKirk
> >  David Young
> >  Joe Wright
> >  Paul Claessen
> >  Mike Sterling
> >  Ricahrd Fredrick
> >  David Fox
> >  Rick Henderson
> >  Gary Pitman
> >  Tim Kristl
> >    Johnny Allen
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Hmmmm... this is an ig-ma.

Dick H


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From: Joe Wright [mailto:jswright@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 11:00 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Re: handbooks


Lets see,

1 Dr. Dave + 1 Dr. Dave = a...pair a docs?  Hmmm.  
 
> Please add me.
> 
> -Dave Dembinski
> 
> 
> "David Young" <dyoung8@k...> wrote:

The glasses at US Toy are not the kind to use on the red/blue 3 D photos. They only have the polarized ones.

rattss

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If anyone still has the back copy, "Astronomy" had a couple of pairs of red/blue glasses in their Dec. 2000 issue.

-Dave Dembinski


"David Young" <dyoung8@...> wrote:

>The glasses at US Toy are not the kind to use on the red/blue 3 D photos. They only have the polarized ones.
>
>rattss
>
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>
>  Now I have the following down for handbooks
>
>  Kathleen Karnes   Paid
>  Donald Hymer       Paid
>  David Nuenschwander
>  Observatory
>  Bill VanKirk
>  David Young
>  Joe Wright
>  Paul Claessen
>  Mike Sterling
>  Ricahrd Fredrick
>  David Fox
>  Rick Henderson
>  Gary Pitman
>  Tim Kristl
>  Johnny Allen
>  Dave Dembinski

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Roger will be dropping the interlock relays at my house tonight in case any asteroid hunters are headed to Powell.

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Not much new tonight, just a few new pictures. Still watched the whole darn thing again though. I'm such a nerd.

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And then there were 18

>  Kathleen Karnes   Paid
>  Donald Hymer       Paid
>  David Nuenschwander
>  Observatory
>  Bill VanKirk
>  David Young
>  Joe Wright
>  Paul Claessen
>  Mike Sterling
>  Ricahrd Fredrick
>  David Fox
>  Rick Henderson
>  Gary Pitman
>  Tim Kristl
>  Johnny Allen
>  Dave Dembinski
   Jim Duncan


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I have ordered and paid for the RCAS Handbooks.

Please send payment in the amount of $15 to David Young  7311 Stearns   Shawnee, KS 66203 

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Oh yeah, I ordered a few extra 

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Whew!!
I just got on line and started reading messages again.   Put me down 
for a handbook.

Gary Martin


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> 
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And then there were 19

  Kathleen Karnes   Paid
  Donald Hymer       Paid
  David Nuenschwander
  Observatory
  Bill VanKirk
  David Young
  Joe Wright
  Paul Claessen
  Mike Sterling
  Larry Goode
  Ricahrd Fredrick
  David Fox
  Rick Henderson
  Gary Pitman
  Tim Kristl
  Johnny Allen
  Dave Dembinski
  Jim Duncan
  Gary Martin


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got ya
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  From: Gary Martin 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 9:56 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] Re: handbooks


  Whew!!
  I just got on line and started reading messages again.   Put me down 
  for a handbook.

  Gary Martin


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I'm not sure if I should warn everyone about this or if I should just head out of town while my gettin' is good, but here it goes...

I wrote a letter to the Kansas City Star about the Science City planetarium closing and I was called today by the Star.  They indicated that they may want to put it in the "As I See It' column.  If so, it should run in either Wednesday's or Thursday's paper.

My disclaimer to you all is that although I mentioned my membership in the ASKC and the frustration with the closing of the planetarium, my tone of the letter was intended to be that of a concerned supporter of Science City, educator and amateur astronomer.  I did not intend the letter to state an official position of the ASKC and hope it is not taken that way.  I don't think it will be, but I wanted to clarify that with you folks ahead of you choking on your morning coffee, just in case.

This will teach me to write letters to newspapers.  Can I blame this on Jackie?  Please?  (Just kidding.)  Or should I just consider entering the amateur astronomer witness protection program?

Rick Henderson

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I am a nerd right along with you, David....   I, too, watched the whole
thing again.   Was ready with my 3D glasses, and sure didn't need them!

Jackie

-----Original Message-----
From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 8:07 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] NOVA


Not much new tonight, just a few new pictures. Still watched the whole darn
thing again though. I'm such a nerd.

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I thought the program on tuesday was going to be different then the one on MOnday including more info about the pictures. It was the same/

Dr.Eric

Great going, Rick!    And I will take the blame if you want me to......
Jackie

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Henderson [mailto:rhenderson1@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 10:43 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Letter to the KC Star


I'm not sure if I should warn everyone about this or if I should just head
out of town while my gettin' is good, but here it goes...

I wrote a letter to the Kansas City Star about the Science City planetarium
closing and I was called today by the Star.  They indicated that they may
want to put it in the "As I See It' column.  If so, it should run in either
Wednesday's or Thursday's paper.

My disclaimer to you all is that although I mentioned my membership in the
ASKC and the frustration with the closing of the planetarium, my tone of the
letter was intended to be that of a concerned supporter of Science City,
educator and amateur astronomer.  I did not intend the letter to state an
official position of the ASKC and hope it is not taken that way.  I don't
think it will be, but I wanted to clarify that with you folks ahead of you
choking on your morning coffee, just in case.

This will teach me to write letters to newspapers.  Can I blame this on
Jackie?  Please?  (Just kidding.)  Or should I just consider entering the
amateur astronomer witness protection program?

Rick Henderson

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I sure someone out there is recording the programs here in our 
group.  I didn't get to see them last night.  After a staff meeting 
and picking up girl scout cookies, I returned to the plant until 
0300 this morning.  I'll see about print some large scale 3D 
images.  

As far as comments or personal feeling about the planetarium, you go 
guys.  Hey honest feelings are honest.  If it sucked, say so; and 
you did.  They (SC) made their bed.  I have never been to it.  Only 
knew about through the tidbits I've heard in the club.  Has anyone 
been to the St. Louis version?  I thought that was really neat.  I 
was in college and we played like kids down there.  So what if I 
still do.

Joe

I was interviewed by the Star before the last article. Toward the end of the interview I told them not to quote me. I was a bit outspoken and didn't want my coments to be construed as official policy of the ASKC. I was not very appreciative of the efforts of the Union Station/Science City management and would, I'm sure, have come accross as rather nasty. I thought it best just to ask them not to use any of my comments. I think I summed it up when I told the guy I thought it was stupid to trash what should have been the main draw of Science City to put in what amounts to a new door.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Beucher, Jackie 
  To: 'ASKC@yahoogroups.com' 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:20 AM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] Letter to the KC Star


  Great going, Rick!    And I will take the blame if you want me to......
  Jackie

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Rick Henderson [mailto:rhenderson1@...]
  Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 10:43 PM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [ASKC] Letter to the KC Star


  I'm not sure if I should warn everyone about this or if I should just head
  out of town while my gettin' is good, but here it goes...

  I wrote a letter to the Kansas City Star about the Science City planetarium
  closing and I was called today by the Star.  They indicated that they may
  want to put it in the "As I See It' column.  If so, it should run in either
  Wednesday's or Thursday's paper.

  My disclaimer to you all is that although I mentioned my membership in the
  ASKC and the frustration with the closing of the planetarium, my tone of the
  letter was intended to be that of a concerned supporter of Science City,
  educator and amateur astronomer.  I did not intend the letter to state an
  official position of the ASKC and hope it is not taken that way.  I don't
  think it will be, but I wanted to clarify that with you folks ahead of you
  choking on your morning coffee, just in case.

  This will teach me to write letters to newspapers.  Can I blame this on
  Jackie?  Please?  (Just kidding.)  Or should I just consider entering the
  amateur astronomer witness protection program?

  Rick Henderson

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I've been to the planetarium in Chicago, New York, Smitsonian and the one in St. Louis. Then I went to Science City. What a let down. As far as I can see the main use of the "key to the city" (caps left out intenionally) is you can use it at other museums around the country to get in for free.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Joe Wright 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 9:00 AM
  Subject: [ASKC] Re: tuesday mars


  I sure someone out there is recording the programs here in our 
  group.  I didn't get to see them last night.  After a staff meeting 
  and picking up girl scout cookies, I returned to the plant until 
  0300 this morning.  I'll see about print some large scale 3D 
  images.  

  As far as comments or personal feeling about the planetarium, you go 
  guys.  Hey honest feelings are honest.  If it sucked, say so; and 
  you did.  They (SC) made their bed.  I have never been to it.  Only 
  knew about through the tidbits I've heard in the club.  Has anyone 
  been to the St. Louis version?  I thought that was really neat.  I 
  was in college and we played like kids down there.  So what if I 
  still do.

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Well... David.... nothing is to stop you from making those comments as David
Young, amateur astronomer!

-----Original Message-----
From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 9:33 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Letter to the KC Star


I was interviewed by the Star before the last article. Toward the end of the
interview I told them not to quote me. I was a bit outspoken and didn't want
my coments to be construed as official policy of the ASKC. I was not very
appreciative of the efforts of the Union Station/Science City management and
would, I'm sure, have come accross as rather nasty. I thought it best just
to ask them not to use any of my comments. I think I summed it up when I
told the guy I thought it was stupid to trash what should have been the main
draw of Science City to put in what amounts to a new door.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Beucher, Jackie 
  To: 'ASKC@yahoogroups.com' 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:20 AM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] Letter to the KC Star


  Great going, Rick!    And I will take the blame if you want me to......
  Jackie

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Rick Henderson [mailto:rhenderson1@...]
  Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 10:43 PM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [ASKC] Letter to the KC Star


  I'm not sure if I should warn everyone about this or if I should just head
  out of town while my gettin' is good, but here it goes...

  I wrote a letter to the Kansas City Star about the Science City
planetarium
  closing and I was called today by the Star.  They indicated that they may
  want to put it in the "As I See It' column.  If so, it should run in
either
  Wednesday's or Thursday's paper.

  My disclaimer to you all is that although I mentioned my membership in the
  ASKC and the frustration with the closing of the planetarium, my tone of
the
  letter was intended to be that of a concerned supporter of Science City,
  educator and amateur astronomer.  I did not intend the letter to state an
  official position of the ASKC and hope it is not taken that way.  I don't
  think it will be, but I wanted to clarify that with you folks ahead of you
  choking on your morning coffee, just in case.

  This will teach me to write letters to newspapers.  Can I blame this on
  Jackie?  Please?  (Just kidding.)  Or should I just consider entering the
  amateur astronomer witness protection program?

  Rick Henderson

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Thanks, Jackie, for offering to take the fall, however, I will accept full responsibility for whatever I was silly enough to write.  Fortunately its usually dark when I'm out at the observatory so maybe no one will recognize me!

Rick Henderson
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Beucher, Jackie 
  To: 'ASKC@yahoogroups.com' 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:20 AM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] Letter to the KC Star


  Great going, Rick!    And I will take the blame if you want me to......
  Jackie

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Rick Henderson [mailto:rhenderson1@...]
  Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 10:43 PM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [ASKC] Letter to the KC Star


  I'm not sure if I should warn everyone about this or if I should just head
  out of town while my gettin' is good, but here it goes...

  I wrote a letter to the Kansas City Star about the Science City planetarium
  closing and I was called today by the Star.  They indicated that they may
  want to put it in the "As I See It' column.  If so, it should run in either
  Wednesday's or Thursday's paper.

  My disclaimer to you all is that although I mentioned my membership in the
  ASKC and the frustration with the closing of the planetarium, my tone of the
  letter was intended to be that of a concerned supporter of Science City,
  educator and amateur astronomer.  I did not intend the letter to state an
  official position of the ASKC and hope it is not taken that way.  I don't
  think it will be, but I wanted to clarify that with you folks ahead of you
  choking on your morning coffee, just in case.

  This will teach me to write letters to newspapers.  Can I blame this on
  Jackie?  Please?  (Just kidding.)  Or should I just consider entering the
  amateur astronomer witness protection program?

  Rick Henderson

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I received a check for a new family membership today at work.  Dwain 
Harper.  I will have the check tomorrow night at the board meeting.  
Dwain works for EDS (Ross Perot's) computer support company 
maintaining the networks here at GM.  Henry Koncan, a fellow 
engineer in my department, joined a few months ago.  I'm working on 
a couple of other fellows.

Joe

I will not be able to attend the Board Meeting tomorrow night.  Sara has a Brownie meeting, I need to pick up GS cookies, & Cindy has a Service Unit meeting to attend.

The only bit of news I have is that I will have 6 observing awards to hand out at the General Meeting.

-Scott

Yes, but I was contacted as the President of the ASKC and would have been quoted as such. I didn't want the entire ASKC to be judged by my negative comments. However, I could now make them in a letter as an amateur astronomer.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Beucher, Jackie 
  To: 'ASKC@yahoogroups.com' 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 9:40 AM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] Letter to the KC Star


  Well... David.... nothing is to stop you from making those comments as David
  Young, amateur astronomer!

  -----Original Message-----
  From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
  Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 9:33 AM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] Letter to the KC Star


  I was interviewed by the Star before the last article. Toward the end of the
  interview I told them not to quote me. I was a bit outspoken and didn't want
  my coments to be construed as official policy of the ASKC. I was not very
  appreciative of the efforts of the Union Station/Science City management and
  would, I'm sure, have come accross as rather nasty. I thought it best just
  to ask them not to use any of my comments. I think I summed it up when I
  told the guy I thought it was stupid to trash what should have been the main
  draw of Science City to put in what amounts to a new door.
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Beucher, Jackie 
    To: 'ASKC@yahoogroups.com' 
    Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:20 AM
    Subject: RE: [ASKC] Letter to the KC Star


    Great going, Rick!    And I will take the blame if you want me to......
    Jackie

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Rick Henderson [mailto:rhenderson1@...]
    Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 10:43 PM
    To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: [ASKC] Letter to the KC Star


    I'm not sure if I should warn everyone about this or if I should just head
    out of town while my gettin' is good, but here it goes...

    I wrote a letter to the Kansas City Star about the Science City
  planetarium
    closing and I was called today by the Star.  They indicated that they may
    want to put it in the "As I See It' column.  If so, it should run in
  either
    Wednesday's or Thursday's paper.

    My disclaimer to you all is that although I mentioned my membership in the
    ASKC and the frustration with the closing of the planetarium, my tone of
  the
    letter was intended to be that of a concerned supporter of Science City,
    educator and amateur astronomer.  I did not intend the letter to state an
    official position of the ASKC and hope it is not taken that way.  I don't
    think it will be, but I wanted to clarify that with you folks ahead of you
    choking on your morning coffee, just in case.

    This will teach me to write letters to newspapers.  Can I blame this on
    Jackie?  Please?  (Just kidding.)  Or should I just consider entering the
    amateur astronomer witness protection program?

    Rick Henderson

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Right.   that is what I meant.  Go for it David!!

-----Original Message-----
From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 2:25 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Letter to the KC Star


Yes, but I was contacted as the President of the ASKC and would have been
quoted as such. I didn't want the entire ASKC to be judged by my negative
comments. However, I could now make them in a letter as an amateur
astronomer.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Beucher, Jackie 
  To: 'ASKC@yahoogroups.com' 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 9:40 AM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] Letter to the KC Star


  Well... David.... nothing is to stop you from making those comments as
David
  Young, amateur astronomer!

  -----Original Message-----
  From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
  Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 9:33 AM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] Letter to the KC Star


  I was interviewed by the Star before the last article. Toward the end of
the
  interview I told them not to quote me. I was a bit outspoken and didn't
want
  my coments to be construed as official policy of the ASKC. I was not very
  appreciative of the efforts of the Union Station/Science City management
and
  would, I'm sure, have come accross as rather nasty. I thought it best just
  to ask them not to use any of my comments. I think I summed it up when I
  told the guy I thought it was stupid to trash what should have been the
main
  draw of Science City to put in what amounts to a new door.
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Beucher, Jackie 
    To: 'ASKC@yahoogroups.com' 
    Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:20 AM
    Subject: RE: [ASKC] Letter to the KC Star


    Great going, Rick!    And I will take the blame if you want me to......
    Jackie

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Rick Henderson [mailto:rhenderson1@...]
    Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 10:43 PM
    To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: [ASKC] Letter to the KC Star


    I'm not sure if I should warn everyone about this or if I should just
head
    out of town while my gettin' is good, but here it goes...

    I wrote a letter to the Kansas City Star about the Science City
  planetarium
    closing and I was called today by the Star.  They indicated that they
may
    want to put it in the "As I See It' column.  If so, it should run in
  either
    Wednesday's or Thursday's paper.

    My disclaimer to you all is that although I mentioned my membership in
the
    ASKC and the frustration with the closing of the planetarium, my tone of
  the
    letter was intended to be that of a concerned supporter of Science City,
    educator and amateur astronomer.  I did not intend the letter to state
an
    official position of the ASKC and hope it is not taken that way.  I
don't
    think it will be, but I wanted to clarify that with you folks ahead of
you
    choking on your morning coffee, just in case.

    This will teach me to write letters to newspapers.  Can I blame this on
    Jackie?  Please?  (Just kidding.)  Or should I just consider entering
the
    amateur astronomer witness protection program?

    Rick Henderson

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The family decided on a short trip through South Dakota & eastern Wyoming this Summer.  Fairly short, close-by, & cheap (still recovering from a week at Disney World last Fall).

We are planning on Devil's Tower, Mt. Rushmore, Crazy Horse, Jewel Cave, Custer State Park, Rapid City Dino Park, and the Badlands.  We'll probably drive through Wall (famous Wall Drug), Mitchell (Corn Palace), and Pierre along the way.

Does anyone know of any astronomical attractions that are around these locations?  Public observatories?  Science museums?  Stonehenge-type stuff?

Thanks!

-Scott

Did someone say Girl Scout Cookies?

Call me us you have any un-claimed goods!

jen

At 01:13 PM 1/7/04, you wrote:
>I will not be able to attend the Board Meeting tomorrow night.  Sara has a 
>Brownie meeting, I need to pick up GS cookies, & Cindy has a Service Unit 
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Yeah!   Me, too!  

-----Original Message-----
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Subject: [ASKC] Girl Scout Cookies?


Did someone say Girl Scout Cookies?

Call me us you have any un-claimed goods!

jen

At 01:13 PM 1/7/04, you wrote:
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Hey Scott.  You will be going right past the site of the 1890 Massacre
at Wounded Knee, SD.  It is also the place that was occupied by the
American Indian Movement in 1973 for 2 months.  Real American history,
doesn't cost anything, no lines or waiting, and it is pretty dark.  A
photo I took there was published in S&T a few years ago, Dennis DiCicco
said it was the most unusual pic of that type he ever saw.  

There is a monument and cemetery there, along with large sign boards
explaining what happened.  The U.S. 7th Cavalry killed about 200 Lakota
Sioux, mostly Minniconjou under Chief Big Foot.  Nearly all women,
children and old men. About 6  or 7 miles east of Pine Ridge.  I guess
that qualifies as a museum or Stonehenge type stuff.

s.kranz1@... wrote:
> 
> The family decided on a short trip through South Dakota & eastern
> Wyoming this Summer.  Fairly short, close-by, & cheap (still
> recovering from a week at Disney World last Fall).
> 
> We are planning on Devil's Tower, Mt. Rushmore, Crazy Horse, Jewel
> Cave, Custer State Park, Rapid City Dino Park, and the Badlands.
> We'll probably drive through Wall (famous Wall Drug), Mitchell (Corn
> Palace), and Pierre along the way.
> 
> Does anyone know of any astronomical attractions that are around
> these locations?  Public observatories?  Science museums?
> Stonehenge-type stuff?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> -Scott
>

We will have all kinds of extras.  Just let me know what you want.

-Scott

Haven't seen much astronomy stuff in that part of the world, but there is a fair amount of paleontology.  Rapid City and Hot Springs have dinosaur and mammoth fossils and the like.  I think Hot Springs is the place where there is a museum that is basically a big building over an active mammoth fossil dig.  I've been there twice and it's pretty neat.  

The best part though is if you have room for a telescope you can find some really dark skies up there, particularly in the Badlands.  Just don't get stepped on by a Bison!

Rick Henderson
  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  To: !_askc 
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  Subject: [ASKC] astro sites


  The family decided on a short trip through South Dakota & eastern Wyoming this Summer.  Fairly short, close-by, & cheap (still recovering from a week at Disney World last Fall).

  We are planning on Devil's Tower, Mt. Rushmore, Crazy Horse, Jewel Cave, Custer State Park, Rapid City Dino Park, and the Badlands.  We'll probably drive through Wall (famous Wall Drug), Mitchell (Corn Palace), and Pierre along the way.

  Does anyone know of any astronomical attractions that are around these locations?  Public observatories?  Science museums?  Stonehenge-type stuff?

  Thanks!

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  Joe Wright
  Paul Claessen
  Mike Sterling
  Larry Goode
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Scott, I forgot to mention, if you take a side road, find where it cuts
through a hillside and you can pick up all kinds of fossils, bone and
wood, sea shells.  The soil is mostly fossils in some places, mixed
with sand.  A sieve with 1/4 inch holes can be most useful (hardware
cloth), even if it is only a 12" one, and a small trench tool. Maybe a
gallon of water to rinse your treasures.  Lotsa fun!     

Rick Henderson wrote:
> 
> Haven't seen much astronomy stuff in that part of the world, but
> there is a fair amount of paleontology.  Rapid City and Hot Springs
> have dinosaur and mammoth fossils and the like.  I think Hot Springs
> is the place where there is a museum that is basically a big building
> over an active mammoth fossil dig.  I've been there twice and it's
> pretty neat.
> 
> The best part though is if you have room for a telescope you can find
> some really dark skies up there, particularly in the Badlands.  Just
> don't get stepped on by a Bison!
> 
> Rick Henderson
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: s.kranz1@...
>   To: !_askc
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>   Subject: [ASKC] astro sites
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>   The family decided on a short trip through South Dakota & eastern
> Wyoming this Summer.  Fairly short, close-by, & cheap (still
> recovering from a week at Disney World last Fall).
> 
>   We are planning on Devil's Tower, Mt. Rushmore, Crazy Horse, Jewel
> Cave, Custer State Park, Rapid City Dino Park, and the Badlands.
> We'll probably drive through Wall (famous Wall Drug), Mitchell (Corn
> Palace), and Pierre along the way.
> 
>   Does anyone know of any astronomical attractions that are around
> these locations?  Public observatories?  Science museums?
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>   Thanks!
> 
>   -Scott
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Well I just got back in town and I wanted one as well.

Dennis

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There's nothing SHORT about driving across South Dakota!!

Mitch Glaze


--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, s.kranz1@c... wrote:
> The family decided on a short trip through South Dakota & eastern 
Wyoming this Summer.  Fairly short, close-by, & cheap (still 
recovering from a week at Disney World last Fall).
> 
> We are planning on Devil's Tower, Mt. Rushmore, Crazy Horse, Jewel 
Cave, Custer State Park, Rapid City Dino Park, and the Badlands.  
We'll probably drive through Wall (famous Wall Drug), Mitchell (Corn 
Palace), and Pierre along the way.
> 
> Does anyone know of any astronomical attractions that are around 
these locations?  Public observatories?  Science museums?  Stonehenge-
type stuff?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> -Scott

Question: Who is the editor of the Cosmic Messenger and their e-mail 
address? Thanks!  Dan Johnson

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>     Joe Wright
>     Paul Claessen
>     Mike Sterling
>     Larry Goode
>     Ricahrd Fredrick
>     David Fox
>     Rick Henderson
>     Gary Pitman
>     Tim Kristl
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Pat Neuenschwander puts it together. She listed her email in the last CM as pneuenschwande@...
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  Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 6:51 PM
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But Mitch, that's the BEAUTY of it!  Miles and miles of nothing but miles and mile.  You have to like the Great Plains though.  Another great road is Nebraska highway 2 all the way from the South Dakota Black Hills to Grand Island.

Oh!  I just remembered there IS an astronomical (sort of ) site in Nebraska.  If you take Nebraska Highway 2 and go through Alliance, go a few miles north on US 385 and see CARHENGE!  Its a hoot and it's accurately modeled on Stonehenge, just with more beer cans.

Rick Henderson
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  From: glaze_m 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 6:26 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] Re: astro sites


  There's nothing SHORT about driving across South Dakota!!

  Mitch Glaze


  --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, s.kranz1@c... wrote:
  > The family decided on a short trip through South Dakota & eastern 
  Wyoming this Summer.  Fairly short, close-by, & cheap (still 
  recovering from a week at Disney World last Fall).
  > 
  > We are planning on Devil's Tower, Mt. Rushmore, Crazy Horse, Jewel 
  Cave, Custer State Park, Rapid City Dino Park, and the Badlands.  
  We'll probably drive through Wall (famous Wall Drug), Mitchell (Corn 
  Palace), and Pierre along the way.
  > 
  > Does anyone know of any astronomical attractions that are around 
  these locations?  Public observatories?  Science museums?  Stonehenge-
  type stuff?
  > 
  > Thanks!
  > 
  > -Scott




   

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Some time ago, I mentioned that I was investigating a 20" telescope 
from the University of New Mexico - Dr. Regener's Newtonian at 
Capilla Peake Observatory.

I have been in contact with Dr. Steve Gregory at UNM.  He remembered 
me, and said he may be interested in donating the telescope if he can 
indeed find it.

I will keep you informed about when and if the Regener scope is 
located.  It is probably in the basement of the Physics and Astronomy 
building on Yale Blvd.

any update on it?
Mike Sterling


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Ahh there you go. You must stop and smell the roses. South Dakota is a beautiful State. There is a wide variety of landscapes and rolling hills. 
Clear Skies,
Randy
  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 6:26 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] Re: astro sites


  There's nothing SHORT about driving across South Dakota!!

  Mitch Glaze


  --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, s.kranz1@c... wrote:
  > The family decided on a short trip through South Dakota & eastern 
  Wyoming this Summer.  Fairly short, close-by, & cheap (still 
  recovering from a week at Disney World last Fall).
  > 
  > We are planning on Devil's Tower, Mt. Rushmore, Crazy Horse, Jewel 
  Cave, Custer State Park, Rapid City Dino Park, and the Badlands.  
  We'll probably drive through Wall (famous Wall Drug), Mitchell (Corn 
  Palace), and Pierre along the way.
  > 
  > Does anyone know of any astronomical attractions that are around 
  these locations?  Public observatories?  Science museums?  Stonehenge-
  type stuff?
  > 
  > Thanks!
  > 
  > -Scott









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I received a call tonight from a newer ASKC member who lives in St. Joseph.  He attended the November General Meeting with his grandchildren and thoroughly enjoyed it.  He told me that he has taken his small scope at least once down to the Good Samaritan Boys Ranch near Brighton MO (about 10 miles or so north of Springfield).  He was wondering if anyone else in the club would like to help him with another starparty there maybe in March or April. (sounds like he has in mind a "freebe".

I told him that I would put out the word, but that usually we do our starparty activity either at Powell or off premises in the immediate Kansas City area.  The way he described this to me, if another ASKCer would like to do this, he would do the driving and pay for travel expenses.  If anyone is interested, please let me know and I'll give you more information.  He is going to be at the January General meeting.

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Excellent!  I'm sure we can find a better use for it than laying around in a basement.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: vcummings2003 
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  Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:36 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] Regener Telescope


  Some time ago, I mentioned that I was investigating a 20" telescope 
  from the University of New Mexico - Dr. Regener's Newtonian at 
  Capilla Peake Observatory.

  I have been in contact with Dr. Steve Gregory at UNM.  He remembered 
  me, and said he may be interested in donating the telescope if he can 
  indeed find it.

  I will keep you informed about when and if the Regener scope is 
  located.  It is probably in the basement of the Physics and Astronomy 
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I don't think I can go but I'd loan some decent scopes and a few pairs of binoculars for someone to take down.
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  Subject: [ASKC] Starparty at Good Samaritan Boys Ranch north of Springfield MO


  I received a call tonight from a newer ASKC member who lives in St. Joseph.  He attended the November General Meeting with his grandchildren and thoroughly enjoyed it.  He told me that he has taken his small scope at least once down to the Good Samaritan Boys Ranch near Brighton MO (about 10 miles or so north of Springfield).  He was wondering if anyone else in the club would like to help him with another starparty there maybe in March or April. (sounds like he has in mind a "freebe".

  I told him that I would put out the word, but that usually we do our starparty activity either at Powell or off premises in the immediate Kansas City area.  The way he described this to me, if another ASKCer would like to do this, he would do the driving and pay for travel expenses.  If anyone is interested, please let me know and I'll give you more information.  He is going to be at the January General meeting.

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Scott:

      You might consider visiting the Wyoming Infrared
Obsevatory {WIRO} located 25 miles south-west of
Laramie located atop 9,656' Jelm Mountain. The
observatory contains a 2.3 meter infrared telescope
with Optec 0.33 focal reducer and a SBIG ST-7E ccd
camera. You can locate their web-page by going to
www.faraday.uwyo.edu/observatories/wiro/index.htm.
Might be worth the trip to check out the
observatory..................     Bill Boyle
--- s.kranz1@... wrote:
> The family decided on a short trip through South
> Dakota & eastern Wyoming this Summer.  Fairly short,
> close-by, & cheap (still recovering from a week at
> Disney World last Fall).
> 
> We are planning on Devil's Tower, Mt. Rushmore,
> Crazy Horse, Jewel Cave, Custer State Park, Rapid
> City Dino Park, and the Badlands.  We'll probably
> drive through Wall (famous Wall Drug), Mitchell
> (Corn Palace), and Pierre along the way.
> 
> Does anyone know of any astronomical attractions
> that are around these locations?  Public
> observatories?  Science museums?  Stonehenge-type
> stuff?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> -Scott
> 


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I echo that too. As the Educational Director for the Children's Kansas City 
Museum, I traveled to visit many musems and children museums in many parts of 
the country. The Science City was the most uninspiring piece of museum work I 
have ever seen. Very little interaction, little to really see and do and 
experience.  I am not really sure why the museum people decided to develop this 
exhibit which is missing so much. As Dr. Phil (says on TV) "What were you thinking 
?"

Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), 
Olathe, KS. USA
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<< Message: 6
   Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 09:35:16 -0600
   From: "David Young" <dyoung8@...>
Subject: Re: Re: tuesday mars

I've been to the planetarium in Chicago, New York, Smitsonian and the one in 
St. Louis. Then I went to Science City. What a let down. As far as I can see 
the main use of the "key to the city" (caps left out intenionally) is you can 
use it at other museums around the country to get in for free. >>

If you are thinking about donating it to the ASKC, it might become the 
centerpiece of our new Project CORE dark sky site!!!!
Tim Kristl


In a message dated 1/7/04 8:39:59 PM Central Standard Time, 
vcummings@... writes:
Some time ago, I mentioned that I was investigating a 20" telescope 
from the University of New Mexico - Dr. Regener's Newtonian at 
Capilla Peake Observatory.

I have been in contact with Dr. Steve Gregory at UNM.  He remembered 
me, and said he may be interested in donating the telescope if he can 
indeed find it.

I will keep you informed about when and if the Regener scope is 
located.  It is probably in the basement of the Physics and Astronomy 
building on Yale Blvd.


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If you want to use more of your 3d glasses- try these.
 Go to google and type in " 3d mars."
You will get a number of sites including 3D pics that you can look at on your 
computer with your 3d glasses.
Also there are 3d pictures to view from the Astronomy magazine Dec 2000.

Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), 
Olathe, KS. USA

Possible, but they have not located it yet.  If they locate it, I'll 
see if I can find out how to transport it here.

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, TKristl100@a... wrote:
> If you are thinking about donating it to the ASKC, it might become 
the 
> centerpiece of our new Project CORE dark sky site!!!!
> Tim Kristl
> 
> 
> In a message dated 1/7/04 8:39:59 PM Central Standard Time, 
> vcummings@k... writes:
> Some time ago, I mentioned that I was investigating a 20" telescope 
> from the University of New Mexico - Dr. Regener's Newtonian at 
> Capilla Peake Observatory.
> 
> I have been in contact with Dr. Steve Gregory at UNM.  He 
remembered 
> me, and said he may be interested in donating the telescope if he 
can 
> indeed find it.
> 
> I will keep you informed about when and if the Regener scope is 
> located.  It is probably in the basement of the Physics and 
Astronomy 
> building on Yale Blvd.
> 
> 
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In a dry place like SD there are countless wildflowers everywhere, but
to see them you have to stop the car, get out, climb a fence and walk a
ways into the field.  There, all around your feet, you will find teeny
plants with brightly colored blooms.  They may be only 5 inches high
with blossoms less than one inch across, or smaller.  But they are
indeed there.  Watch the water holes and distant ridges for antelope
and deer, and try to put Wind Cave refuge on your route where you will
see free ranging buffalo, maybe standing in the road.

Try to catch a sunrise or sunset on one of those ridges, a green flash
is a sure bet with a knife edge horizon 20 miles away.

Pull into a rest stop and set a small scope up with a solar filter. 
Invite a couple people over to see the sunspots and pretty soon you
will be giving a "one star" party, not to mention meeting some new
friends.

If you tranverse SD at about 90, you will join the crowd that tells
everyone SD is just an obstacle between Minnesota and the Black Hills. 
These are the folks that put a Walt Disney DVD in the roof mounted TV
for the kids while they drive through the arid and desolate West.    

Randy Thompson wrote:
> 
> Ahh there you go. You must stop and smell the roses. South Dakota is
> a beautiful State. There is a wide variety of landscapes and rolling
> hills.
> Clear Skies,
> Randy

Does it have a mount?   How heavy is it.  Joe Wright offered once to do a 
road trip.  We could find a way to assist with his gas maybe.  And maybe Rita's 
(but not Joe's) food!!!
Tim


In a message dated 1/7/04 10:17:43 PM Central Standard Time, 
vcummings@... writes:
Possible, but they have not located it yet.  If they locate it, I'll 
see if I can find out how to transport it here.

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, TKristl100@a... wrote:
> If you are thinking about donating it to the ASKC, it might become 
the 
> centerpiece of our new Project CORE dark sky site!!!!
> Tim Kristl
> 
>


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I know what you mean.

I've been across SD quite a few times and have loved it each time.

Regarding bison, we plan on going through Custer State Park - lots and lots of bison.  Many years ago traveling through the park, we were stopped by a herd grazing across the road.  Soon they were behind the car as well and we were part of the herd.  They were passing just feet away from the vehicle.  We were waiting for some excitement as the driver in the one car ahead of us got out to take pictures.  A couple bison hoofed a bit, but none charged.  Always some idiots out there.

-Scott

Yes, since I just added my name to the list!   Thanks!

Jackie

-----Original Message-----
From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 7:49 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Re: handbooks


>   And then there were 22
>   We now have enough to qualify for the $15.00 rate
>   I ordered 25. Should I order another 5?  Whada ya think?
> 
>     Kathleen Karnes   Paid
>     Donald Hymer       Paid
>     David Nuenschwander
>     Observatory
>     Bill VanKirk
>     David Young
>     Joe Wright
>     Paul Claessen
>     Mike Sterling
>     Larry Goode
>     Ricahrd Fredrick
>     David Fox
>     Rick Henderson
>     Gary Pitman
>     Tim Kristl
>     Johnny Allen
>     Dave Dembinski
>     Jim Duncan
>     Gary Martin
>     John Cravens
>     Dennis Budd
>     Lindin Scott
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  >   And then there were 23
  >   We now have enough to qualify for the $15.00 rate
  >   I ordered 25. Should I order another 5?  Whada ya think?
  > 
  >     Kathleen Karnes   Paid
  >     Donald Hymer       Paid
  >     David Nuenschwander
  >     Observatory
  >     Bill VanKirk
  >     David Young
  >     Joe Wright
  >     Paul Claessen
  >     Mike Sterling
  >     Larry Goode
  >     Ricahrd Fredrick
  >     David Fox
  >     Rick Henderson
  >     Gary Pitman
  >     Tim Kristl
  >     Johnny Allen
  >     Dave Dembinski
  >     Jim Duncan
  >     Gary Martin
  >     John Cravens
  >     Dennis Budd
  >     Lindin Scott
        Jackie Beucher

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In a message dated 1/7/04 3:57:33 PM Central Standard Time, 
JBeucher@... writes:


> Yeah!   Me, too!  
> 

What happened to that Adkins Diet you were on?

Ed


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Hey, everyone!  Rick Henderson's column is in today's paper on the
planetarium!

Well done, Rick.

        Jackie Beucher
EMJ - Kansas City - Sales

Yeah. Read it on line. Marcia always takes the paper to work with her but you can read it on the Star's web site.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Beucher, Jackie 
  To: 'askc@yahoogroups.com' 
  Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 12:18 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] Today's KC STar - "As I See It" - B6


  Hey, everyone!  Rick Henderson's column is in today's paper on the
  planetarium!

  Well done, Rick.

          Jackie Beucher
  EMJ - Kansas City - Sales









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JBeucher@... writes:


> Hey, everyone!  Rick Henderson's column is in today's paper on the
> planetarium!
> 
> Well done, Rick.
> 
>         Jackie Beucher
> EMJ - Kansas City - Sales

Here is the URL for Rick's column in the KC Star if you want to read it 
online:

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/7655952.htm

Good job, Rick.

Ed Flaspoehler, Dallas


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Way to go Rick. Good Stuff!
Clear Skies,
Randy
  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 12:46 PM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] Today's KC STar - "As I See It" - B6


  In a message dated 1/8/04 12:22:46 PM Central Standard Time, 
  JBeucher@... writes:


  > Hey, everyone!  Rick Henderson's column is in today's paper on the
  > planetarium!
  > 
  > Well done, Rick.
  > 
  >         Jackie Beucher
  > EMJ - Kansas City - Sales

  Here is the URL for Rick's column in the KC Star if you want to read it 
  online:

  http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/7655952.htm

  Good job, Rick.

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Carroll:

Please call me ASAP.

Thanks,

Joe
913-208-0924

Jackie:

Please call me today.

Thanks,

Joe
913-208-0924

Well, the plot thickens...

I just received a phone call from Ed Eilert (hope I spelled that correctly) the mayor of Overland Park and one of the bi-state tax commission members.  He read my letter and told me that the Kansas mayors have not been very pleased with how the money is being spent at Union Station and he was concerned about closing the planetarium in exchange for essentially a new door.  His main reason for calling was that he would like to meet with members of the ASKC that could provide him with information and suggestions about what could be done to improve the programming and attendance of the Gottleib Dome Theater and Planetarium.

Although I am not a planetarium expert (I'm not even an ASKC board member or keyholder) I am very interested in following through on this.  From the letters that have been posted on this newsletter group, I know we can find a small group of people who could meet constructively with Mr. Eilert and give some positive input on how the planetarium could be put to better use.

One of my co-workers at DeVry stopped me today and said he had read my letter.  He said he and his family had visited Science City this last summer, but until he read my letter, he hadn't even realized there WAS a planetarium at Science City.  I think his remark pretty well sums up the problem.

The bi-state commission meets on a quarterly basis and Mr. Eilert would like to meet in the next few weeks, I think he said by mid to end of February.  I think this type of discussion goes beyond email newsletters, so what should we do next?  

Rick Henderson
  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  To: 'askc@yahoogroups.com' 
  Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 12:18 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] Today's KC STar - "As I See It" - B6


  Hey, everyone!  Rick Henderson's column is in today's paper on the
  planetarium!

  Well done, Rick.

          Jackie Beucher
  EMJ - Kansas City - Sales




   

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Way to go Rick - your initiative is to be congratulated!
Mike Sterling


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Greetings from Northern Missouri:

In an attempt to regenerate some interest in these parts a new Yahoo
group has been formed for those that are interested in astronomy at
all levels in Northern Missouri and Northeast Kansas, Southern Iowa,
and Southeast Nebraska. Recent attempts at bringing back what was
once called the Midland Empire Astronomy Club did not go so good so
this group was created in an attempt to bring everyone together...
which may lead to bigger and better things later this spring and
summer when the weather turns good. If you would like to join the
group then please do. The group is less than 1 day old and is known
as the MEAG or Midland Empire Astronomy Group. The creator and
moderator is Ken West, a St. Joseph amateur.

Dan Bush
Albany, Missouri
www.missouriskies.com


http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/MEAG

At 15 bucks I would also like to be added.
-- James Pageau

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From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...] 
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 9:08 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Re: handbooks



  >   And then there were 23
  >   We now have enough to qualify for the $15.00 rate
  >   I ordered 25. Should I order another 5?  Whada ya think?
  > 
  >     Kathleen Karnes   Paid
  >     Donald Hymer       Paid
  >     David Nuenschwander
  >     Observatory
  >     Bill VanKirk
  >     David Young
  >     Joe Wright
  >     Paul Claessen
  >     Mike Sterling
  >     Larry Goode
  >     Ricahrd Fredrick
  >     David Fox
  >     Rick Henderson
  >     Gary Pitman
  >     Tim Kristl
  >     Johnny Allen
  >     Dave Dembinski
  >     Jim Duncan
  >     Gary Martin
  >     John Cravens
  >     Dennis Budd
  >     Lindin Scott
        Jackie Beucher

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Well done, Rick!!  It sounds like you have spurred some good interest 
in this topic.

What next?  Well, the ASKC Board met tonight and unfortunately came 
to the conclusion that the ASKC is not able to handle the 
administration of a planetarium.  The board feels that there is no 
possibility of persuading Union Station to keep the facility.  The 
best the ASKC can do is "write letters" to encourage someone to 
support it at different location, and "maybe give some volunteer 
time".  What is needed is a person or group that has the ability to 
take on the administration of a project this type.  Some big issues 
are  equipment operation/maintenance, programming/promotion of the 
facility, and of course, on-going funding.  Tim Kristl mentioned that 
acquiring a building for such a purpose would be "workable", and not 
out of the question.  We have a lot of members who are enraged, but 
someone has to step up and say that they can make a go at this kind 
of project.

Perhaps with the support of some key people like Mr. Eilert, some new 
avenues for the ASKC to actively contribute to this highly worthwhile 
cause will become apparent.

Please continue your efforts, as yours and the voices of people like 
you are the best chance this city has for sustaining a planetarium.

You mention that you are not a board member or keyholder.  You DO 
have a voice in the ASKC and are welcome to come to board meetings 
and be heard.

Mitch Glaze


--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Henderson" <rhenderson1@k...> 
wrote:
> Well, the plot thickens...
> 
> I just received a phone call from Ed Eilert (hope I spelled that 
correctly) the mayor of Overland Park and one of the bi-state tax 
commission members.  He read my letter and told me that the Kansas 
mayors have not been very pleased with how the money is being spent 
at Union Station and he was concerned about closing the planetarium 
in exchange for essentially a new door.  His main reason for calling 
was that he would like to meet with members of the ASKC that could 
provide him with information and suggestions about what could be done 
to improve the programming and attendance of the Gottleib Dome 
Theater and Planetarium.
> 
> Although I am not a planetarium expert (I'm not even an ASKC board 
member or keyholder) I am very interested in following through on 
this.  From the letters that have been posted on this newsletter 
group, I know we can find a small group of people who could meet 
constructively with Mr. Eilert and give some positive input on how 
the planetarium could be put to better use.
> 
> One of my co-workers at DeVry stopped me today and said he had read 
my letter.  He said he and his family had visited Science City this 
last summer, but until he read my letter, he hadn't even realized 
there WAS a planetarium at Science City.  I think his remark pretty 
well sums up the problem.
> 
> The bi-state commission meets on a quarterly basis and Mr. Eilert 
would like to meet in the next few weeks, I think he said by mid to 
end of February.  I think this type of discussion goes beyond email 
newsletters, so what should we do next?  
> 
> Rick Henderson
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Beucher, Jackie 
>   To: 'askc@yahoogroups.com' 
>   Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 12:18 PM
>   Subject: [ASKC] Today's KC STar - "As I See It" - B6
> 
> 
>   Hey, everyone!  Rick Henderson's column is in today's paper on the
>   planetarium!
> 
>   Well done, Rick.
> 
>           Jackie Beucher
>   EMJ - Kansas City - Sales
> 
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Do I have the list of who has paid correct? If you think you have paid I need to know I collected for 8 books at the board meeting but some of it was cash and I want to be sure I have credited the correct people

    And then there were 26  
    We now have enough to qualify for the $15.00 rate
    I have 30 on order   


    >     Kathleen Karnes   Paid
    >     Donald Hymer       Paid
    >     David Nuenschwander  2 copies  paid
    >     Observatory
    >     Bill VanKirk
    >     David Young
    >     Joe Wright
    >     Paul Claessen
    >     Mike Sterling
    >     Larry Goode     paid
    >     Ricahrd Fredrick
    >     David Fox
    >     Rick Henderson
    >     Gary Pitman      paid
    >     Tim Kristl        paid
    >     Johnny Allen
    >     Dave Dembinski    paid
    >     Jim Duncan
    >     Gary Martin
    >     John Cravens
    >     Dennis Budd
    >     Lindin Scott
          Jackie Beucher    paid
          Mitch Glaze       paid
          James Pageau      
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Mitch and all,

Would there be a possibility of having a short meeting either before of after the next general meeting to discuss the possibility of some of the ASKC members meeting with Mr. Eilert in the next few weeks to discuss all of this?  I agree with the conclusion that the ASKC board arrived at about not being able to handle the administration of the planetarium.  I also agree that the closing of the planetarium at Science City is either a done deal or close to it, but we have some experience in the area of community service and education in the field of astronomy and even other areas and that has a great deal of value.

I think what Mr. Eilert is looking for are ideas and suggestions about the future of a planetarium in the Kansas City area, what the equipment at the planetarium is capable of doing and alternatives to what Turner White has already decided.  I am not a planetarium expert but Mr. Eilert is not an astronomy OR planetarium expert either.  He is not happy with what is happening at Science City and is looking for experienced input and advice.  Also, as a member of the bi-state tax committee, he DOES have an influence on how Science City gets money from the Kansas side and money talks louder than letters on the opinion page.

By meeting with Mr. Eilert we are being given an opportunity to do more than just write letters.  Granted it may all come to naught, but his influence on the Science City purse strings, his position as mayor of Overland Park and what other connections he has, could have some unforeseen possibilities.

Rick Henderson
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: glaze_m 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 10:53 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] Re: Today's KC STar - "As I See It" - B6


  Well done, Rick!!  It sounds like you have spurred some good interest 
  in this topic.

  What next?  Well, the ASKC Board met tonight and unfortunately came 
  to the conclusion that the ASKC is not able to handle the 
  administration of a planetarium.  The board feels that there is no 
  possibility of persuading Union Station to keep the facility.  The 
  best the ASKC can do is "write letters" to encourage someone to 
  support it at different location, and "maybe give some volunteer 
  time".  What is needed is a person or group that has the ability to 
  take on the administration of a project this type.  Some big issues 
  are  equipment operation/maintenance, programming/promotion of the 
  facility, and of course, on-going funding.  Tim Kristl mentioned that 
  acquiring a building for such a purpose would be "workable", and not 
  out of the question.  We have a lot of members who are enraged, but 
  someone has to step up and say that they can make a go at this kind 
  of project.

  Perhaps with the support of some key people like Mr. Eilert, some new 
  avenues for the ASKC to actively contribute to this highly worthwhile 
  cause will become apparent.

  Please continue your efforts, as yours and the voices of people like 
  you are the best chance this city has for sustaining a planetarium.

  You mention that you are not a board member or keyholder.  You DO 
  have a voice in the ASKC and are welcome to come to board meetings 
  and be heard.

  Mitch Glaze


  --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Henderson" <rhenderson1@k...> 
  wrote:
  > Well, the plot thickens...
  > 
  > I just received a phone call from Ed Eilert (hope I spelled that 
  correctly) the mayor of Overland Park and one of the bi-state tax 
  commission members.  He read my letter and told me that the Kansas 
  mayors have not been very pleased with how the money is being spent 
  at Union Station and he was concerned about closing the planetarium 
  in exchange for essentially a new door.  His main reason for calling 
  was that he would like to meet with members of the ASKC that could 
  provide him with information and suggestions about what could be done 
  to improve the programming and attendance of the Gottleib Dome 
  Theater and Planetarium.
  > 
  > Although I am not a planetarium expert (I'm not even an ASKC board 
  member or keyholder) I am very interested in following through on 
  this.  From the letters that have been posted on this newsletter 
  group, I know we can find a small group of people who could meet 
  constructively with Mr. Eilert and give some positive input on how 
  the planetarium could be put to better use.
  > 
  > One of my co-workers at DeVry stopped me today and said he had read 
  my letter.  He said he and his family had visited Science City this 
  last summer, but until he read my letter, he hadn't even realized 
  there WAS a planetarium at Science City.  I think his remark pretty 
  well sums up the problem.
  > 
  > The bi-state commission meets on a quarterly basis and Mr. Eilert 
  would like to meet in the next few weeks, I think he said by mid to 
  end of February.  I think this type of discussion goes beyond email 
  newsletters, so what should we do next?  
  > 
  > Rick Henderson
  >   ----- Original Message ----- 
  >   From: Beucher, Jackie 
  >   To: 'askc@yahoogroups.com' 
  >   Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 12:18 PM
  >   Subject: [ASKC] Today's KC STar - "As I See It" - B6
  > 
  > 
  >   Hey, everyone!  Rick Henderson's column is in today's paper on the
  >   planetarium!
  > 
  >   Well done, Rick.
  > 
  >           Jackie Beucher
  >   EMJ - Kansas City - Sales
  > 
  > 
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I have two star parties this weekend. Anyone care to do one tonight for a church group of about 20. 

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When I got home from the Board meeting last night, I also had a message from
Ed Eilert.   I will call him today, and report back to you all.   I
personally am not prepared to give up the fight to keep the planetarium
open, and will do everything I can to stop it's closing.

Jackie

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Henderson [mailto:rhenderson1@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 11:29 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Re: Today's KC STar - "As I See It" - B6


Mitch and all,

Would there be a possibility of having a short meeting either before of
after the next general meeting to discuss the possibility of some of the
ASKC members meeting with Mr. Eilert in the next few weeks to discuss all of
this?  I agree with the conclusion that the ASKC board arrived at about not
being able to handle the administration of the planetarium.  I also agree
that the closing of the planetarium at Science City is either a done deal or
close to it, but we have some experience in the area of community service
and education in the field of astronomy and even other areas and that has a
great deal of value.

I think what Mr. Eilert is looking for are ideas and suggestions about the
future of a planetarium in the Kansas City area, what the equipment at the
planetarium is capable of doing and alternatives to what Turner White has
already decided.  I am not a planetarium expert but Mr. Eilert is not an
astronomy OR planetarium expert either.  He is not happy with what is
happening at Science City and is looking for experienced input and advice.
Also, as a member of the bi-state tax committee, he DOES have an influence
on how Science City gets money from the Kansas side and money talks louder
than letters on the opinion page.

By meeting with Mr. Eilert we are being given an opportunity to do more than
just write letters.  Granted it may all come to naught, but his influence on
the Science City purse strings, his position as mayor of Overland Park and
what other connections he has, could have some unforeseen possibilities.

Rick Henderson
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: glaze_m 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 10:53 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] Re: Today's KC STar - "As I See It" - B6


  Well done, Rick!!  It sounds like you have spurred some good interest 
  in this topic.

  What next?  Well, the ASKC Board met tonight and unfortunately came 
  to the conclusion that the ASKC is not able to handle the 
  administration of a planetarium.  The board feels that there is no 
  possibility of persuading Union Station to keep the facility.  The 
  best the ASKC can do is "write letters" to encourage someone to 
  support it at different location, and "maybe give some volunteer 
  time".  What is needed is a person or group that has the ability to 
  take on the administration of a project this type.  Some big issues 
  are  equipment operation/maintenance, programming/promotion of the 
  facility, and of course, on-going funding.  Tim Kristl mentioned that 
  acquiring a building for such a purpose would be "workable", and not 
  out of the question.  We have a lot of members who are enraged, but 
  someone has to step up and say that they can make a go at this kind 
  of project.

  Perhaps with the support of some key people like Mr. Eilert, some new 
  avenues for the ASKC to actively contribute to this highly worthwhile 
  cause will become apparent.

  Please continue your efforts, as yours and the voices of people like 
  you are the best chance this city has for sustaining a planetarium.

  You mention that you are not a board member or keyholder.  You DO 
  have a voice in the ASKC and are welcome to come to board meetings 
  and be heard.

  Mitch Glaze


  --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Henderson" <rhenderson1@k...> 
  wrote:
  > Well, the plot thickens...
  > 
  > I just received a phone call from Ed Eilert (hope I spelled that 
  correctly) the mayor of Overland Park and one of the bi-state tax 
  commission members.  He read my letter and told me that the Kansas 
  mayors have not been very pleased with how the money is being spent 
  at Union Station and he was concerned about closing the planetarium 
  in exchange for essentially a new door.  His main reason for calling 
  was that he would like to meet with members of the ASKC that could 
  provide him with information and suggestions about what could be done 
  to improve the programming and attendance of the Gottleib Dome 
  Theater and Planetarium.
  > 
  > Although I am not a planetarium expert (I'm not even an ASKC board 
  member or keyholder) I am very interested in following through on 
  this.  From the letters that have been posted on this newsletter 
  group, I know we can find a small group of people who could meet 
  constructively with Mr. Eilert and give some positive input on how 
  the planetarium could be put to better use.
  > 
  > One of my co-workers at DeVry stopped me today and said he had read 
  my letter.  He said he and his family had visited Science City this 
  last summer, but until he read my letter, he hadn't even realized 
  there WAS a planetarium at Science City.  I think his remark pretty 
  well sums up the problem.
  > 
  > The bi-state commission meets on a quarterly basis and Mr. Eilert 
  would like to meet in the next few weeks, I think he said by mid to 
  end of February.  I think this type of discussion goes beyond email 
  newsletters, so what should we do next?  
  > 
  > Rick Henderson
  >   ----- Original Message ----- 
  >   From: Beucher, Jackie 
  >   To: 'askc@yahoogroups.com' 
  >   Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 12:18 PM
  >   Subject: [ASKC] Today's KC STar - "As I See It" - B6
  > 
  > 
  >   Hey, everyone!  Rick Henderson's column is in today's paper on the
  >   planetarium!
  > 
  >   Well done, Rick.
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  >   EMJ - Kansas City - Sales
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David -- I did not pay you yet.  jackie

-----Original Message-----
From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 11:02 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Re: handbooks



Do I have the list of who has paid correct? If you think you have paid I
need to know I collected for 8 books at the board meeting but some of it was
cash and I want to be sure I have credited the correct people

    And then there were 26  
    We now have enough to qualify for the $15.00 rate
    I have 30 on order   


    >     Kathleen Karnes   Paid
    >     Donald Hymer       Paid
    >     David Nuenschwander  2 copies  paid
    >     Observatory
    >     Bill VanKirk
    >     David Young
    >     Joe Wright
    >     Paul Claessen
    >     Mike Sterling
    >     Larry Goode     paid
    >     Ricahrd Fredrick
    >     David Fox
    >     Rick Henderson
    >     Gary Pitman      paid
    >     Tim Kristl        paid
    >     Johnny Allen
    >     Dave Dembinski    paid
    >     Jim Duncan
    >     Gary Martin
    >     John Cravens
    >     Dennis Budd
    >     Lindin Scott
          Jackie Beucher    paid
          Mitch Glaze       paid
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  Do I have the list of who has paid correct? If you think you have paid I need to know I collected for 8 books at the board meeting but some of it was cash and I want to be sure I have credited the correct people

      And then there were 26  
      We now have enough to qualify for the $15.00 rate
      I have 30 on order   


      >     Kathleen Karnes   Paid
      >     Donald Hymer       Paid
      >     David Nuenschwander  2 copies  paid
      >     Observatory
      >     Bill VanKirk
      >     David Young
      >     Joe Wright
      >     Paul Claessen
      >     Mike Sterling
      >     Larry Goode     paid
      >     Ricahrd Fredrick
      >     David Fox
      >     Rick Henderson
      >     Gary Pitman      paid
      >     Tim Kristl        paid
      >     Johnny Allen
      >     Dave Dembinski    paid
      >     Jim Duncan
      >     Gary Martin
      >     John Cravens
      >     Dennis Budd
      >     Lindin Scott
            Jackie Beucher    
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Question: What types of binos are members allowed to check out from 
ASKC. Are any on mounts? Is it David Young who we check these out 
from? Thanks!  Dan Johnson

Hello, crew!

Over the last few weeks, I have been scanning and storing my astro-sketkches
(739 of them) onto a CD to keep a copy for posterity (duh??).  They are
organized by constellation into Powerpoint files that have been converted to
Adobe Acrobat files so you don't need PPT to view them.  You only need Adobe
Acrobat Reader (available for free download from www.adobe.com).

If you'd like a copy of these sketches (made between 1992 and the present
with a C8 and a C11), you need to giv me a blank CD-R.  You can give it to
me at a club meeting or mail it to me at 1817 Northeast 83rd Street, KC MO
64118.  In all cases, I ask that you put a Post-it sticky note on it with
your name and return address, and if you mail the CD to me, include a
self-addressed and stamped return envelope.  If you bring the CD to a club
meeting and want the sketches mailed to you , be sure to include the same at
that time too.



Richard Harshaw
Kansas City, MO   USA

"Grandkids are God's reward to you for not killing your kids when they were
younger."






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Dan -- I have 16 x 80's and a nice mount that you can borrow anytime.

Jackie

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 8:21 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] ASKC Binos


Question: What types of binos are members allowed to check out from 
ASKC. Are any on mounts? Is it David Young who we check these out 
from? Thanks!  Dan Johnson




 

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Rick I would like to attend. It really breaks my heart to see this
happening. Even if the ASKC does not plan to pursue this I personally
would like to help in any way I can. Shelley

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Henderson [mailto:rhenderson1@...] 
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 11:29 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Re: Today's KC STar - "As I See It" - B6

 

Mitch and all,

Would there be a possibility of having a short meeting either before of
after the next general meeting to discuss the possibility of some of the
ASKC members meeting with Mr. Eilert in the next few weeks to discuss
all of this?  I agree with the conclusion that the ASKC board arrived at
about not being able to handle the administration of the planetarium.  I
also agree that the closing of the planetarium at Science City is either
a done deal or close to it, but we have some experience in the area of
community service and education in the field of astronomy and even other
areas and that has a great deal of value.

I think what Mr. Eilert is looking for are ideas and suggestions about
the future of a planetarium in the Kansas City area, what the equipment
at the planetarium is capable of doing and alternatives to what Turner
White has already decided.  I am not a planetarium expert but Mr. Eilert
is not an astronomy OR planetarium expert either.  He is not happy with
what is happening at Science City and is looking for experienced input
and advice.  Also, as a member of the bi-state tax committee, he DOES
have an influence on how Science City gets money from the Kansas side
and money talks louder than letters on the opinion page.

By meeting with Mr. Eilert we are being given an opportunity to do more
than just write letters.  Granted it may all come to naught, but his
influence on the Science City purse strings, his position as mayor of
Overland Park and what other connections he has, could have some
unforeseen possibilities.

Rick Henderson
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: glaze_m 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 10:53 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] Re: Today's KC STar - "As I See It" - B6


  Well done, Rick!!  It sounds like you have spurred some good interest 
  in this topic.

  What next?  Well, the ASKC Board met tonight and unfortunately came 
  to the conclusion that the ASKC is not able to handle the 
  administration of a planetarium.  The board feels that there is no 
  possibility of persuading Union Station to keep the facility.  The 
  best the ASKC can do is "write letters" to encourage someone to 
  support it at different location, and "maybe give some volunteer 
  time".  What is needed is a person or group that has the ability to 
  take on the administration of a project this type.  Some big issues 
  are  equipment operation/maintenance, programming/promotion of the 
  facility, and of course, on-going funding.  Tim Kristl mentioned that 
  acquiring a building for such a purpose would be "workable", and not 
  out of the question.  We have a lot of members who are enraged, but 
  someone has to step up and say that they can make a go at this kind 
  of project.

  Perhaps with the support of some key people like Mr. Eilert, some new 
  avenues for the ASKC to actively contribute to this highly worthwhile 
  cause will become apparent.

  Please continue your efforts, as yours and the voices of people like 
  you are the best chance this city has for sustaining a planetarium.

  You mention that you are not a board member or keyholder.  You DO 
  have a voice in the ASKC and are welcome to come to board meetings 
  and be heard.

  Mitch Glaze


  --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Henderson" <rhenderson1@k...> 
  wrote:
  > Well, the plot thickens...
  > 
  > I just received a phone call from Ed Eilert (hope I spelled that 
  correctly) the mayor of Overland Park and one of the bi-state tax 
  commission members.  He read my letter and told me that the Kansas 
  mayors have not been very pleased with how the money is being spent 
  at Union Station and he was concerned about closing the planetarium 
  in exchange for essentially a new door.  His main reason for calling 
  was that he would like to meet with members of the ASKC that could 
  provide him with information and suggestions about what could be done 
  to improve the programming and attendance of the Gottleib Dome 
  Theater and Planetarium.
  > 
  > Although I am not a planetarium expert (I'm not even an ASKC board 
  member or keyholder) I am very interested in following through on 
  this.  From the letters that have been posted on this newsletter 
  group, I know we can find a small group of people who could meet 
  constructively with Mr. Eilert and give some positive input on how 
  the planetarium could be put to better use.
  > 
  > One of my co-workers at DeVry stopped me today and said he had read 
  my letter.  He said he and his family had visited Science City this 
  last summer, but until he read my letter, he hadn't even realized 
  there WAS a planetarium at Science City.  I think his remark pretty 
  well sums up the problem.
  > 
  > The bi-state commission meets on a quarterly basis and Mr. Eilert 
  would like to meet in the next few weeks, I think he said by mid to 
  end of February.  I think this type of discussion goes beyond email 
  newsletters, so what should we do next?  
  > 
  > Rick Henderson
  >   ----- Original Message ----- 
  >   From: Beucher, Jackie 
  >   To: 'askc@yahoogroups.com' 
  >   Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 12:18 PM
  >   Subject: [ASKC] Today's KC STar - "As I See It" - B6
  > 
  > 
  >   Hey, everyone!  Rick Henderson's column is in today's paper on the
  >   planetarium!
  > 
  >   Well done, Rick.
  > 
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  >   EMJ - Kansas City - Sales
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David, I was confused. As usual! I will be at the next meeting. Court
warming is on Fri night. It was their B-days that were Sat. Gee I can
legally kick them out of my house after that lol. Just kidding. Shelley



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Brilliant!

you say duh... but future generations will say fantastic.

I think it's a marvelous plan!

jen

At 08:39 AM 1/9/04, you wrote:
>Hello, crew!
>
>Over the last few weeks, I have been scanning and storing my astro-sketkches
>(739 of them) onto a CD to keep a copy for posterity (duh??).  They are
>organized by constellation into Powerpoint files that have been converted to
>Adobe Acrobat files so you don't need PPT to view them.  You only need Adobe
>Acrobat Reader (available for free download from www.adobe.com).
>
>If you'd like a copy of these sketches (made between 1992 and the present
>with a C8 and a C11), you need to giv me a blank CD-R.  You can give it to
>me at a club meeting or mail it to me at 1817 Northeast 83rd Street, KC MO
>64118.  In all cases, I ask that you put a Post-it sticky note on it with
>your name and return address, and if you mail the CD to me, include a
>self-addressed and stamped return envelope.  If you bring the CD to a club
>meeting and want the sketches mailed to you , be sure to include the same at
>that time too.
>
>
>
>Richard Harshaw
>Kansas City, MO   USA
>
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>younger."
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Aw, shucks, Jen!  You make me blush!

Dick


-----Original Message-----
From: Jen Winter - ICSTARS Astronomy [mailto:webmaster@...]
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 9:11 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Sketches Available


Brilliant!

you say duh... but future generations will say fantastic.

I think it's a marvelous plan!

jen

At 08:39 AM 1/9/04, you wrote:
>Hello, crew!
>
>Over the last few weeks, I have been scanning and storing my
astro-sketkches
>(739 of them) onto a CD to keep a copy for posterity (duh??).  They are
>organized by constellation into Powerpoint files that have been converted
to
>Adobe Acrobat files so you don't need PPT to view them.  You only need
Adobe
>Acrobat Reader (available for free download from www.adobe.com).
>

David,

My check is in the proverbial mail.  I also used to work for the government and I'm here to help... 

Anyway, I mailed it Tuesday so you should get it today.  If you don't get it soon, let me know.

Rick Henderson
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: David Young 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 7:55 AM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] Re: handbooks





    Do I have the list of who has paid correct? If you think you have paid I need to know I collected for 8 books at the board meeting but some of it was cash and I want to be sure I have credited the correct people

        And then there were 26  
        We now have enough to qualify for the $15.00 rate
        I have 30 on order   


        >     Kathleen Karnes   Paid
        >     Donald Hymer       Paid
        >     David Nuenschwander  2 copies  paid
        >     Observatory
        >     Bill VanKirk
        >     David Young
        >     Joe Wright
        >     Paul Claessen
        >     Mike Sterling
        >     Larry Goode     paid
        >     Ricahrd Fredrick
        >     David Fox
        >     Rick Henderson
        >     Gary Pitman      paid
        >     Tim Kristl        paid
        >     Johnny Allen
        >     Dave Dembinski    paid
        >     Jim Duncan
        >     Gary Martin
        >     John Cravens
        >     Dennis Budd
        >     Lindin Scott
              Jackie Beucher    
              Mitch Glaze       paid
              James Pageau      
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It looks like Bush is going to say something in the next week about going
back to the Moon and having a man'ed flight to Mars. If so, I think that
would be a very big push for us!!!

David Fox


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David, how many copies of the RASC handbook did we have to order to get
the $15 price?

George Allen

I agree, Dave, but I already heard an old geezer fart call in on 710 this
morning and gripe about it and complain that it was going to take away money
from his Social Security, yada yada yada.

I was in college and on my first job during the Apollo Program.  It was also
the era of Viet Nam.  I will say this-- that project put a spark in the
American spirit for a while.  Sadly, the fiasco of Viet Nam and the big push
towards socialism killed off Apollo 4 missions early and gave us the
Spluttle-- uh, Shuttle.  Had we stayed on course with a moon program, we
should have had a permanent base there by now and been well on our way to
building deep solar system exploration vehicles ON THE MOON at lower cost
than on earth with the awesome fuel cost to reach deep SS orbit.... oh well.

I wanted to call the station and remind that old fart that he has
life-saving drugs and probably other electronic marvels that he would not
have had we not reached for the moon and Mars, etc, but I learned along time
ago that it is virtually impossible to reason with the blue hair crowd...
and this coming from a gray headed star geek.

Dick H



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Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 10:33 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] NEWS Info



It looks like Bush is going to say something in the next week about going
back to the Moon and having a man'ed flight to Mars. If so, I think that
would be a very big push for us!!!

David Fox


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I think that the " life-saving drugs and probably other electronic marvels"
is what sells it to the Public, something about getting something back from
spending the money, not like the cost to make a movie, or a pro football
game. other then letting you die a little happier ;-) Go Chiefs!

D. Fox
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Dick Harshaw [mailto:dwharshaw@...]
  Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 10:39 AM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] NEWS Info


  I agree, Dave, but I already heard an old geezer fart call in on 710 this
  morning and gripe about it and complain that it was going to take away
money
  from his Social Security, yada yada yada.

  I was in college and on my first job during the Apollo Program.  It was
also
  the era of Viet Nam.  I will say this-- that project put a spark in the
  American spirit for a while.  Sadly, the fiasco of Viet Nam and the big
push
  towards socialism killed off Apollo 4 missions early and gave us the
  Spluttle-- uh, Shuttle.  Had we stayed on course with a moon program, we
  should have had a permanent base there by now and been well on our way to
  building deep solar system exploration vehicles ON THE MOON at lower cost
  than on earth with the awesome fuel cost to reach deep SS orbit.... oh
well.

  I wanted to call the station and remind that old fart that he has
  life-saving drugs and probably other electronic marvels that he would not
  have had we not reached for the moon and Mars, etc, but I learned along
time
  ago that it is virtually impossible to reason with the blue hair crowd...
  and this coming from a gray headed star geek.

  Dick H



  -----Original Message-----
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  Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 10:33 AM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [ASKC] NEWS Info



  It looks like Bush is going to say something in the next week about going
  back to the Moon and having a man'ed flight to Mars. If so, I think that
  would be a very big push for us!!!

  David Fox


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I used to work at the Bendix plant here in Kansas City as an electronics engineer.  In my years of working on warhead inertial switches, cruise missile telemetry assemblies and more, I can't remember anything that I helped build that actually made an improvement to our lives.  That's part of why I left.

Yet people who support the weapons build up think NASA's efforts and the like are a waste of "their" money.  Go figure.

Rick Henderson
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: SM20 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 10:47 AM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] NEWS Info


  I think that the " life-saving drugs and probably other electronic marvels"
  is what sells it to the Public, something about getting something back from
  spending the money, not like the cost to make a movie, or a pro football
  game. other then letting you die a little happier ;-) Go Chiefs!

  D. Fox
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Dick Harshaw [mailto:dwharshaw@...]
    Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 10:39 AM
    To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: RE: [ASKC] NEWS Info


    I agree, Dave, but I already heard an old geezer fart call in on 710 this
    morning and gripe about it and complain that it was going to take away
  money
    from his Social Security, yada yada yada.

    I was in college and on my first job during the Apollo Program.  It was
  also
    the era of Viet Nam.  I will say this-- that project put a spark in the
    American spirit for a while.  Sadly, the fiasco of Viet Nam and the big
  push
    towards socialism killed off Apollo 4 missions early and gave us the
    Spluttle-- uh, Shuttle.  Had we stayed on course with a moon program, we
    should have had a permanent base there by now and been well on our way to
    building deep solar system exploration vehicles ON THE MOON at lower cost
    than on earth with the awesome fuel cost to reach deep SS orbit.... oh
  well.

    I wanted to call the station and remind that old fart that he has
    life-saving drugs and probably other electronic marvels that he would not
    have had we not reached for the moon and Mars, etc, but I learned along
  time
    ago that it is virtually impossible to reason with the blue hair crowd...
    and this coming from a gray headed star geek.

    Dick H



    -----Original Message-----
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    Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 10:33 AM
    To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: [ASKC] NEWS Info



    It looks like Bush is going to say something in the next week about going
    back to the Moon and having a man'ed flight to Mars. If so, I think that
    would be a very big push for us!!!

    David Fox


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To wax philosophical a moment...

True, building missile guidance switches may not in and of itself move us
forward in our evolution or improve our lives.

But in a broader sense, people invent new technologies to meet a present or
future need.  The computer I am typing this note on and the internet that
carries it to you would probably still be many years in the future had not
the government spent billions on space research or weapons development.
Someday, someone would have probably invented the circuit board anyway, but
the stimulus of exploration-- or threat of extinction-- drives people to do
unusual things to stay ahead of the curve.

By the way, this is probably a good reason why if there is intelligent life
elsewhere, it probably won't fly by here very soon.  Rarely (if ever) in
human history has a society done exploration just for the knowledge it
brings.  There seems to always be a bottom line payoff somewhere.  For
instance, why would Isabella and Ferdinand fund the mini-navy of Columbus?
To gain the chance of reaping untold riches by finding a shorter trade route
to China, etc.

We, as humans, need big dreams and big challenges to lift our sight beyond
the dirt at our feet.  The problem is getting everyone to agree that the
challenge is one we should all devote ourselves to and work on.

Dick H


-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Henderson [mailto:rhenderson1@...]
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 11:12 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] NEWS Info


I used to work at the Bendix plant here in Kansas City as an electronics
engineer.  In my years of working on warhead inertial switches, cruise
missile telemetry assemblies and more, I can't remember anything that I
helped build that actually made an improvement to our lives.  That's part of
why I left.

Yet people who support the weapons build up think NASA's efforts and the
like are a waste of "their" money.  Go figure.

Rick Henderson
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: SM20
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 10:47 AM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] NEWS Info

Hmm you probably know my mother :-) Don't forget they also made the
circuit boards for the Apollo spacecrafts:-) Shelley 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Henderson [mailto:rhenderson1@...] 
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 11:12 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] NEWS Info

 

I used to work at the Bendix plant here in Kansas City as an electronics
engineer.  In my years of working on warhead inertial switches, cruise
missile telemetry assemblies and more, I can't remember anything that I
helped build that actually made an improvement to our lives.  That's
part of why I left.

Yet people who support the weapons build up think NASA's efforts and the
like are a waste of "their" money.  Go figure.

Rick Henderson
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: SM20 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 10:47 AM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] NEWS Info


  I think that the " life-saving drugs and probably other electronic
marvels"
  is what sells it to the Public, something about getting something back
from
  spending the money, not like the cost to make a movie, or a pro
football
  game. other then letting you die a little happier ;-) Go Chiefs!

  D. Fox
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Dick Harshaw [mailto:dwharshaw@...]
    Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 10:39 AM
    To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: RE: [ASKC] NEWS Info


    I agree, Dave, but I already heard an old geezer fart call in on 710
this
    morning and gripe about it and complain that it was going to take
away
  money
    from his Social Security, yada yada yada.

    I was in college and on my first job during the Apollo Program.  It
was
  also
    the era of Viet Nam.  I will say this-- that project put a spark in
the
    American spirit for a while.  Sadly, the fiasco of Viet Nam and the
big
  push
    towards socialism killed off Apollo 4 missions early and gave us the
    Spluttle-- uh, Shuttle.  Had we stayed on course with a moon
program, we
    should have had a permanent base there by now and been well on our
way to
    building deep solar system exploration vehicles ON THE MOON at lower
cost
    than on earth with the awesome fuel cost to reach deep SS orbit....
oh
  well.

    I wanted to call the station and remind that old fart that he has
    life-saving drugs and probably other electronic marvels that he
would not
    have had we not reached for the moon and Mars, etc, but I learned
along
  time
    ago that it is virtually impossible to reason with the blue hair
crowd...
    and this coming from a gray headed star geek.

    Dick H



    -----Original Message-----
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    Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 10:33 AM
    To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: [ASKC] NEWS Info



    It looks like Bush is going to say something in the next week about
going
    back to the Moon and having a man'ed flight to Mars. If so, I think
that
    would be a very big push for us!!!

    David Fox


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Shelley,

That was before my time there.  Pretty much all the stuff I did was weapons sub-assemblies.  After I left, one of the guys I worked with did help work on analyzing the failure modes of the gyros on the Hubble Space Telescope.  His background was on multiple-warhead re-entry guidance, but it did have a benefit for astronomy.

Definitely some good folks out there and I'm not critical of them or them work done there.  It's just space stuff is more fun and potentially more beneficial.

Rick Henderson
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Shelley Granger 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 12:02 PM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] NEWS Info


  Hmm you probably know my mother :-) Don't forget they also made the
  circuit boards for the Apollo spacecrafts:-) Shelley 

   

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Rick Henderson [mailto:rhenderson1@...] 
  Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 11:12 AM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] NEWS Info

   

  I used to work at the Bendix plant here in Kansas City as an electronics
  engineer.  In my years of working on warhead inertial switches, cruise
  missile telemetry assemblies and more, I can't remember anything that I
  helped build that actually made an improvement to our lives.  That's
  part of why I left.

  Yet people who support the weapons build up think NASA's efforts and the
  like are a waste of "their" money.  Go figure.

  Rick Henderson
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: SM20 
    To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
    Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 10:47 AM
    Subject: RE: [ASKC] NEWS Info


    I think that the " life-saving drugs and probably other electronic
  marvels"
    is what sells it to the Public, something about getting something back
  from
    spending the money, not like the cost to make a movie, or a pro
  football
    game. other then letting you die a little happier ;-) Go Chiefs!

    D. Fox
      -----Original Message-----
      From: Dick Harshaw [mailto:dwharshaw@...]
      Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 10:39 AM
      To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: RE: [ASKC] NEWS Info


      I agree, Dave, but I already heard an old geezer fart call in on 710
  this
      morning and gripe about it and complain that it was going to take
  away
    money
      from his Social Security, yada yada yada.

      I was in college and on my first job during the Apollo Program.  It
  was
    also
      the era of Viet Nam.  I will say this-- that project put a spark in
  the
      American spirit for a while.  Sadly, the fiasco of Viet Nam and the
  big
    push
      towards socialism killed off Apollo 4 missions early and gave us the
      Spluttle-- uh, Shuttle.  Had we stayed on course with a moon
  program, we
      should have had a permanent base there by now and been well on our
  way to
      building deep solar system exploration vehicles ON THE MOON at lower
  cost
      than on earth with the awesome fuel cost to reach deep SS orbit....
  oh
    well.

      I wanted to call the station and remind that old fart that he has
      life-saving drugs and probably other electronic marvels that he
  would not
      have had we not reached for the moon and Mars, etc, but I learned
  along
    time
      ago that it is virtually impossible to reason with the blue hair
  crowd...
      and this coming from a gray headed star geek.

      Dick H



      -----Original Message-----
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      Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 10:33 AM
      To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [ASKC] NEWS Info



      It looks like Bush is going to say something in the next week about
  going
      back to the Moon and having a man'ed flight to Mars. If so, I think
  that
      would be a very big push for us!!!

      David Fox


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Members are not allowed to check out the club's binoculars for personal use. However, I have several pairs that I loan out regularly.

I have 10 X 50 Celestron, 7 X 50,  8 X 56, 14 X 70 Fujinon, 16 X 80 Orion and 14 X 40 Fujinon stabilized.

I have tripods and a bi-mount similar to the ones at Powell.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: gdj561956 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 8:20 AM
  Subject: [ASKC] ASKC Binos


  Question: What types of binos are members allowed to check out from 
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got it
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  From: Rick Henderson 
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  Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 9:56 AM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] Re: handbooks


  David,

  My check is in the proverbial mail.  I also used to work for the government and I'm here to help... 

  Anyway, I mailed it Tuesday so you should get it today.  If you don't get it soon, let me know.

  Rick Henderson
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    Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 7:55 AM
    Subject: Re: [ASKC] Re: handbooks





      Do I have the list of who has paid correct? If you think you have paid I need to know I collected for 8 books at the board meeting but some of it was cash and I want to be sure I have credited the correct people

          And then there were 26  
          We now have enough to qualify for the $15.00 rate
          I have 30 on order   


          >     Kathleen Karnes   Paid
          >     Donald Hymer       Paid
          >     David Nuenschwander  2 copies  paid
          >     Observatory
          >     Bill VanKirk
          >     David Young
          >     Joe Wright
          >     Paul Claessen
          >     Mike Sterling
          >     Larry Goode     paid
          >     Ricahrd Fredrick
          >     David Fox
          >     Rick Henderson
          >     Gary Pitman      paid
          >     Tim Kristl        paid
          >     Johnny Allen
          >     Dave Dembinski    paid
          >     Jim Duncan
          >     Gary Martin
          >     John Cravens
          >     Dennis Budd
          >     Lindin Scott
                Jackie Beucher    
                Mitch Glaze       paid
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David I would like to borrow a pair of your larger ones if possible.
With a mount. I have been working on my deep sky bino award and some of
them are just to faint for my 10x50s :-)  You could stick them in with
the truck load of other things you are brining me to the gm. shelley

 

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To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
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Members are not allowed to check out the club's binoculars for personal
use. However, I have several pairs that I loan out regularly.

I have 10 X 50 Celestron, 7 X 50,  8 X 56, 14 X 70 Fujinon, 16 X 80
Orion and 14 X 40 Fujinon stabilized.

I have tripods and a bi-mount similar to the ones at Powell.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 8:20 AM
  Subject: [ASKC] ASKC Binos


  Question: What types of binos are members allowed to check out from 
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Remind me a few days before and I'll put a few pair in the trunk.
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  Subject: RE: [ASKC] ASKC Binos


  David I would like to borrow a pair of your larger ones if possible.
  With a mount. I have been working on my deep sky bino award and some of
  them are just to faint for my 10x50s :-)  You could stick them in with
  the truck load of other things you are brining me to the gm. shelley



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  Members are not allowed to check out the club's binoculars for personal
  use. However, I have several pairs that I loan out regularly.

  I have 10 X 50 Celestron, 7 X 50,  8 X 56, 14 X 70 Fujinon, 16 X 80
  Orion and 14 X 40 Fujinon stabilized.

  I have tripods and a bi-mount similar to the ones at Powell.
    ----- Original Message ----- 
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    Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 8:20 AM
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You would ask me that after I threw the darn paper away ;-)

As I recall the cut is about 15 copies. At 25 they drop to $14.50. I'm using the extra $0.50 to finance a copy for the observatory.
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  David, how many copies of the RASC handbook did we have to order to get
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: David Young 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 5:43 PM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] ASKC Binos


  Remind me a few days before and I'll put a few pair in the trunk.
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Shelley Granger 
    To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
    Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 5:41 PM
    Subject: RE: [ASKC] ASKC Binos


    David I would like to borrow a pair of your larger ones if possible.
    With a mount. I have been working on my deep sky bino award and some of
    them are just to faint for my 10x50s :-)  You could stick them in with
    the truck load of other things you are brining me to the gm. shelley



    -----Original Message-----
    From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...] 
    Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 5:34 PM
    To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: Re: [ASKC] ASKC Binos



    Members are not allowed to check out the club's binoculars for personal
    use. However, I have several pairs that I loan out regularly.

    I have 10 X 50 Celestron, 7 X 50,  8 X 56, 14 X 70 Fujinon, 16 X 80
    Orion and 14 X 40 Fujinon stabilized.

    I have tripods and a bi-mount similar to the ones at Powell.
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: gdj561956 
      To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
      Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 8:20 AM
      Subject: [ASKC] ASKC Binos


      Question: What types of binos are members allowed to check out from 
      ASKC. Are any on mounts? Is it David Young who we check these out 
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Hey all you overly large kids. Have you seen the new Astrojax? I bought
a bunch of these for x-mas on the bargin table from Walmart awhile back.
I had a set held back to play with and I just opened them up. These are
way to cool to give to your kids! Keep them all for yourself f:-) These
should keep David and Joe entertained for several hours. Shelley

 

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Oops it www.astrojax.com <http://www.astrojax.com/> 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Shelley Granger [mailto:sgranger@...] 
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 6:52 PM
To: Askc
Subject: [ASKC] New toy

 

Hey all you overly large kids. Have you seen the new Astrojax? I bought
a bunch of these for x-mas on the bargin table from Walmart awhile back.
I had a set held back to play with and I just opened them up. These are
way to cool to give to your kids! Keep them all for yourself f:-) These
should keep David and Joe entertained for several hours. Shelley



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Shelley,

What Walmart did you find the Astrojax at?  Back by the toys or with the
seasonal merchandise?

Thanks,
Paul

Here is the AP story on the topic:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=544&ncid=693&e=1&u=%2Fap%2F20040109%2Fap_on_go_pr_wh%2Fbush_space

Regarding grumblings over missile technology for wartime and peacetime, 
remember that Von Braun, the father of modern rocketry, developed much of 
his technology in wartime Europe.  It's legwork that's part of the job, and 
pays the bills.  If a bomb blows up on the launchpad, nobody cries except 
the budget officer and the scapegoat who loses his job.  If a fire on the 
launch pad kills Apollo 1 crewmen, a nation mourns.

Also if all of us think back to moments in our early years to what touched 
our minds and inspired us to look to the sky... most of us have a memory of 
something from the space program... from sputnik to moon landings, we were 
ALL inspired.
It's going to be hard to wait the 20 years to meet the children who 
witnessed the success of the Mars Spirit mission when they grow up and lead 
inspired lives of study, invention and exploration of the 
Universe.  Inspiration is happening to another generation without us even 
being aware!

Cool!

jen

They were in the toys dept at Harrisonville Walmart. Way cool toy. They
are very hard to maneuver. If you look in the tricks section on the web
page they make it look really easy. Right! The middle ball is loose and
slides up and down the string. Its kind of a yoyo type thing but much
more difficult. We have all been playing with it all night and Kyle (who
is the yoyo king here) is starting to get a few tricks down.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Claessen [mailto:paul@...] 
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 7:03 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] New toy

 

Shelley,

What Walmart did you find the Astrojax at?  Back by the toys or with the
seasonal merchandise?

Thanks,
Paul












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Do they have flashing lights and make whiring noises?
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Shelley Granger 
  To: Askc 
  Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 6:52 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] New toy


  Hey all you overly large kids. Have you seen the new Astrojax? I bought
  a bunch of these for x-mas on the bargin table from Walmart awhile back.
  I had a set held back to play with and I just opened them up. These are
  way to cool to give to your kids! Keep them all for yourself f:-) These
  should keep David and Joe entertained for several hours. Shelley



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They do have lights that strobe but only when they are moving and if you
could get good enough to control them they would whir I'm sure. I have a
long way to go before I start whirring lol

Take a look at these kids and what they can do with them. The ones they
are using in the videos are the rubber ones and don't have the lights in
them. What fun is that!

Watch the video clip Astrojax in Space. That was the first ting Kyle
said when we started playing with them. What would they be like in zero
g? I guess Nasa did some playing around with them to lol. The  shuttle
crew doesn't look nearly as talented as all the kids in the clips:-)  My
skills are about in line with theirs. 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...] 
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 9:27 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] New toy

 

Do they have flashing lights and make whiring noises?
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Shelley Granger 
  To: Askc 
  Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 6:52 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] New toy


  Hey all you overly large kids. Have you seen the new Astrojax? I
bought
  a bunch of these for x-mas on the bargin table from Walmart awhile
back.
  I had a set held back to play with and I just opened them up. These
are
  way to cool to give to your kids! Keep them all for yourself f:-)
These
  should keep David and Joe entertained for several hours. Shelley



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Forgot the clips link.

Im getting as old as David :-)

 

http://www.astrojax.com/intl/en/info/videolib

 

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Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 9:27 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] New toy

 

Do they have flashing lights and make whiring noises?
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Shelley Granger 
  To: Askc 
  Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 6:52 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] New toy


  Hey all you overly large kids. Have you seen the new Astrojax? I
bought
  a bunch of these for x-mas on the bargin table from Walmart awhile
back.
  I had a set held back to play with and I just opened them up. These
are
  way to cool to give to your kids! Keep them all for yourself f:-)
These
  should keep David and Joe entertained for several hours. Shelley



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nobody's that old


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Not even the Big Bang.  ;^)

Dick H


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Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 11:01 PM
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nobody's that old


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Hehe your right..somedays I just feel that old:-)

 

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Not even the Big Bang.  ;^)

Dick H


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Is it just me or is our website down?

Shelley



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--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, Shelley Granger <sgranger@d...> wrote:
> Is it just me or is our website down?

The hosting service must be down.
I cannot access ASKC, lunar-occultations, nor icstars websites. I also
cannot retrieve mail from the askconline and lunar-occultations.com
domains.
Trying to access the hosting service, I also get a "connection refused".
This means that they are either having problems with power (like a
power outage), or they are rebooting the whole system.
If it is not back up by in the morning, I will call tech support to
see what is going on.

Rob Robinson
webmaster

Thanks Rob.

 

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Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 12:24 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Re: website

 

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> Is it just me or is our website down?

The hosting service must be down.
I cannot access ASKC, lunar-occultations, nor icstars websites. I also
cannot retrieve mail from the askconline and lunar-occultations.com
domains.
Trying to access the hosting service, I also get a "connection refused".
This means that they are either having problems with power (like a
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If it is not back up by in the morning, I will call tech support to
see what is going on.

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--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "sc285" <webmaster@l...> wrote:
> --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, Shelley Granger <sgranger@d...> wrote:
> > Is it just me or is our website down?
> 
> The hosting service must be down.

I just checked again at 12:27am and everything is back to normal.
Must have been a reboot of the hosting system.

Rob

After the Royal Rangers left, some observatory elves did a little work on the hand controller.  Richard, Dick and I dismantled the 25 pin connectors to the control box.  Two wires (purple & black w/ white stripe) had
exposed wire in the rubber encasement that were contacting and causing the declination problem.  We isolated the wires and re-assembled.  We also added length to the cables.  The additional wire is housed in a specially
constructed container.  Yeah, the milk crate.  The additional wire afforded us the chance to re-route the cables to take any stress off the 25 pin connections at the controller box on the pier base.

Joe

Hi Rick,
> 
> Definitely some good folks out there and I'm not critical of them 
or them work done there.  It's just space stuff is more fun and 
potentially more beneficial.
> 
OK, I'll bite, how is it more beneficial?

Harley

Looks like I'd knock my self out in the first 10 seconds.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Shelley Granger 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 10:56 PM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] New toy


  Forgot the clips link.

  Im getting as old as David :-)



  http://www.astrojax.com/intl/en/info/videolib



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  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] New toy



  Do they have flashing lights and make whiring noises?
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Shelley Granger 
    To: Askc 
    Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 6:52 PM
    Subject: [ASKC] New toy


    Hey all you overly large kids. Have you seen the new Astrojax? I
  bought
    a bunch of these for x-mas on the bargin table from Walmart awhile
  back.
    I had a set held back to play with and I just opened them up. These
  are
    way to cool to give to your kids! Keep them all for yourself f:-)
  These
    should keep David and Joe entertained for several hours. Shelley



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It's just you Shelley.   The video link plays very nicely. Nice work guys!
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I have upload a picture of the elves working last night.  See 
PowellObservatory under the photo section.

Joe

Neat!  Where are the pointy ears?  Under the sock hat?

Seriously, though, thanks fellas for making the repairs!


Dick H



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Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 9:24 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Photo


I have upload a picture of the elves working last night.  See 
PowellObservatory under the photo section.

Joe




 

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I move we double the salary of you guys!   :))

Hey - you are appreciated!


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Maybe they were short Vulcans.  

I hope we can document all repairs for future reference by other 
users and staff.


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> 
> Seriously, though, thanks fellas for making the repairs!
> 
> 
> Dick H
> 
> 
> 
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Mike:

There's a wealth of knowledge in 
Randy
Mitch
Dick
Richard
Roger
Nick and
David

We could make a hell of a Junk Yard Wars team!

Joe

Hey, there's a JYW topic for a show-- two teams, one junkyard, 8 hours--
build a 60-inch goto alt-az telescope!

Dick H


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Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 11:56 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
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Mike:

There's a wealth of knowledge in
Randy
Mitch
Dick
Richard
Roger
Nick and
David

We could make a hell of a Junk Yard Wars team!

Joe







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aaah -  the list is:
There's a wealth of knowledge in 
Joe
Randy
Mitch
Dick
Richard
Roger
Nick and
David

You guys would be the intergalactic champions of Junk Yard War!


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The people who originally scheduled changed their minds thinking it would be too cold. Powell is open tonight.

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Bill Boyle, Ed Biancina and I are planning to be in the AIC.
Tim Kristl

In a message dated 1/10/04 4:02:02 PM Central Standard Time, 
dyoung8@... writes:
The people who originally scheduled changed their minds thinking it would be 
too cold. Powell is open tonight.

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Tim,
I checked the AIC schedule and I didn't see anything about your request,
however it is available tonight.  Thanks for letting me know that you would
like to use it.

D Trentman




-----Original Message-----
From: TKristl100@... [mailto:TKristl100@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 5:11 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] powell

Bill Boyle, Ed Biancina and I are planning to be in the AIC.
Tim Kristl

In a message dated 1/10/04 4:02:02 PM Central Standard Time,
dyoung8@... writes:
The people who originally scheduled changed their minds thinking it would be
too cold. Powell is open tonight.

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Just to let everyone know there is a schedule being kept on the AIC use just
like the 30" and there is a sign in sheet for each.  Thanks.  This sign in
sheets and the schedule is being kept at the request of the OD.

D Trentman




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Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 5:11 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] powell

Bill Boyle, Ed Biancina and I are planning to be in the AIC.
Tim Kristl

In a message dated 1/10/04 4:02:02 PM Central Standard Time,
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The people who originally scheduled changed their minds thinking it would be
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I just want to remind everyone how important it is to sign the log 
neat the kitchen door. 


It isn't just for key holders or the person that opens or closes the 
complex.  It is for all club members that use the facilities.  
Anytime that one of the three observatories is opened and used, you 
need to sign in. If its a public night and you are just observing, 
put observing in the "Purpose" area.  We use this information to 
track usage.  Last year there were 885 log entries.  That's the 
number of members that signed in.  How many didn't???  This info 
might be needed for grant money or tourist information.  Combine the 
880(+15% for no sign-in)+7100 visitors= 8,112 people at Powell in 
2003.


A similar message will be added to a future CM.

Thanks,

Joe

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
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The Astronomical League Southern Sky Telescopic Observing Club list 
has now been posted to the files areas in PDF format.

If anyone needs another format, let me know.

I haven't checked in the last day or two to see if the AL webmaster 
has posted this yet. It is, however, official and running. 
Kind of.
I have no pin or certificate design, but some ideas. More ideas are 
welcome.

Thanks,
Kathy Machin

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Wright" <jswright@k...> wrote:
> Anytime that one of the three observatories is opened and used, you 
> need to sign in. 

So if a non-keyholder goes down to use the LCT, then there is a
logbook in the LCT? Or does he not sign in because he doesn't have
access to the main building??

Rob

There is a log in the LCT.  It should be tethered near the Northeast 
corner of the enclosure.

Joe

David, 

I paid you for two copies.

Mitch Glaze


--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "David Young" <dyoung8@k...> wrote:
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>   Do I have the list of who has paid correct? If you think you have 
paid I need to know I collected for 8 books at the board meeting but 
some of it was cash and I want to be sure I have credited the correct 
people
> 
>       And then there were 26  
>       We now have enough to qualify for the $15.00 rate
>       I have 30 on order   
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>       >     Kathleen Karnes   Paid
>       >     Donald Hymer       Paid
>       >     David Nuenschwander  2 copies  paid
>       >     Observatory
>       >     Bill VanKirk
>       >     David Young
>       >     Joe Wright
>       >     Paul Claessen
>       >     Mike Sterling
>       >     Larry Goode     paid
>       >     Ricahrd Fredrick
>       >     David Fox
>       >     Rick Henderson
>       >     Gary Pitman      paid
>       >     Tim Kristl        paid
>       >     Johnny Allen
>       >     Dave Dembinski    paid
>       >     Jim Duncan
>       >     Gary Martin
>       >     John Cravens
>       >     Dennis Budd
>       >     Lindin Scott
>             Jackie Beucher    
>             Mitch Glaze       paid
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--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Henderson" <rhenderson1@k...> 
wrote:
> Mitch and all,
> 
> Would there be a possibility of having a short meeting either 
before of after the next general meeting to discuss the possibility 
of some of the ASKC members meeting with Mr. Eilert in the next few 
weeks to discuss all of this?  I agree with the conclusion that the 
ASKC board arrived at about not being able to handle the 
administration of the planetarium.  I also agree that the closing of 
the planetarium at Science City is either a done deal or close to it, 
but we have some experience in the area of community service and 
education in the field of astronomy and even other areas and that has 
a great deal of value.
> 
> I think what Mr. Eilert is looking for are ideas and suggestions 
about the future of a planetarium in the Kansas City area, what the 
equipment at the planetarium is capable of doing and alternatives to 
what Turner White has already decided.  I am not a planetarium expert 
but Mr. Eilert is not an astronomy OR planetarium expert either.  He 
is not happy with what is happening at Science City and is looking 
for experienced input and advice.  Also, as a member of the bi-state 
tax committee, he DOES have an influence on how Science City gets 
money from the Kansas side and money talks louder than letters on the 
opinion page.
> 
> By meeting with Mr. Eilert we are being given an opportunity to do 
more than just write letters.  Granted it may all come to naught, but 
his influence on the Science City purse strings, his position as 
mayor of Overland Park and what other connections he has, could have 
some unforeseen possibilities.
> 
> Rick Henderson
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: glaze_m 
>   To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 10:53 PM
>   Subject: [ASKC] Re: Today's KC STar - "As I See It" - B6
> 
> 
>   Well done, Rick!!  It sounds like you have spurred some good 
interest 
>   in this topic.
> 
>   What next?  Well, the ASKC Board met tonight and unfortunately 
came 
>   to the conclusion that the ASKC is not able to handle the 
>   administration of a planetarium.  The board feels that there is 
no 
>   possibility of persuading Union Station to keep the facility.  
The 
>   best the ASKC can do is "write letters" to encourage someone to 
>   support it at different location, and "maybe give some volunteer 
>   time".  What is needed is a person or group that has the ability 
to 
>   take on the administration of a project this type.  Some big 
issues 
>   are  equipment operation/maintenance, programming/promotion of 
the 
>   facility, and of course, on-going funding.  Tim Kristl mentioned 
that 
>   acquiring a building for such a purpose would be "workable", and 
not 
>   out of the question.  We have a lot of members who are enraged, 
but 
>   someone has to step up and say that they can make a go at this 
kind 
>   of project.
> 
>   Perhaps with the support of some key people like Mr. Eilert, some 
new 
>   avenues for the ASKC to actively contribute to this highly 
worthwhile 
>   cause will become apparent.
> 
>   Please continue your efforts, as yours and the voices of people 
like 
>   you are the best chance this city has for sustaining a 
planetarium.
> 
>   You mention that you are not a board member or keyholder.  You DO 
>   have a voice in the ASKC and are welcome to come to board 
meetings 
>   and be heard.
> 
>   Mitch Glaze
> 
> 
>   --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Henderson" <rhenderson1@k...> 
>   wrote:
>   > Well, the plot thickens...
>   > 
>   > I just received a phone call from Ed Eilert (hope I spelled 
that 
>   correctly) the mayor of Overland Park and one of the bi-state tax 
>   commission members.  He read my letter and told me that the 
Kansas 
>   mayors have not been very pleased with how the money is being 
spent 
>   at Union Station and he was concerned about closing the 
planetarium 
>   in exchange for essentially a new door.  His main reason for 
calling 
>   was that he would like to meet with members of the ASKC that 
could 
>   provide him with information and suggestions about what could be 
done 
>   to improve the programming and attendance of the Gottleib Dome 
>   Theater and Planetarium.
>   > 
>   > Although I am not a planetarium expert (I'm not even an ASKC 
board 
>   member or keyholder) I am very interested in following through on 
>   this.  From the letters that have been posted on this newsletter 
>   group, I know we can find a small group of people who could meet 
>   constructively with Mr. Eilert and give some positive input on 
how 
>   the planetarium could be put to better use.
>   > 
>   > One of my co-workers at DeVry stopped me today and said he had 
read 
>   my letter.  He said he and his family had visited Science City 
this 
>   last summer, but until he read my letter, he hadn't even realized 
>   there WAS a planetarium at Science City.  I think his remark 
pretty 
>   well sums up the problem.
>   > 
>   > The bi-state commission meets on a quarterly basis and Mr. 
Eilert 
>   would like to meet in the next few weeks, I think he said by mid 
to 
>   end of February.  I think this type of discussion goes beyond 
email 
>   newsletters, so what should we do next?  
>   > 
>   > Rick Henderson
>   >   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   >   From: Beucher, Jackie 
>   >   To: 'askc@yahoogroups.com' 
>   >   Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 12:18 PM
>   >   Subject: [ASKC] Today's KC STar - "As I See It" - B6
>   > 
>   > 
>   >   Hey, everyone!  Rick Henderson's column is in today's paper 
on the
>   >   planetarium!
>   > 
>   >   Well done, Rick.
>   > 
>   >           Jackie Beucher
>   >   EMJ - Kansas City - Sales
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If any of you have been considering buying a card reader for rapid transfer of your photos, you might want to check the sale flyers. 

Marcia needed a CF card reader for work. Office Max had one on sale for $10 with a $10 rebate. That's pretty cheap. Other formats were also on sale but none wound up zero cost like the Compact Flash unit. 

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Rick,

I am very much in favor of continuing to explore options with people 
like Mr Eilert.  I would definitely attend any meeting on the topic, 
be it with Mr Eilert (or the like), or just those of us wishing to 
discuss this further.  As you say, it "could have some unforeseen 
possibilities."  That alone is enough reason for us to pursue this 
issue. As supporters of education in astronomy, I feel we have a 
civic duty to pursue this as far as reasonably possible. 

Mitch Glaze


--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Henderson" <rhenderson1@k...> 
wrote:
> Mitch and all,
> 
> Would there be a possibility of having a short meeting either 
before of after the next general meeting to discuss the possibility 
of some of the ASKC members meeting with Mr. Eilert in the next few 
weeks to discuss all of this?  I agree with the conclusion that the 
ASKC board arrived at about not being able to handle the 
administration of the planetarium.  I also agree that the closing of 
the planetarium at Science City is either a done deal or close to it, 
but we have some experience in the area of community service and 
education in the field of astronomy and even other areas and that has 
a great deal of value.
> 
> I think what Mr. Eilert is looking for are ideas and suggestions 
about the future of a planetarium in the Kansas City area, what the 
equipment at the planetarium is capable of doing and alternatives to 
what Turner White has already decided.  I am not a planetarium expert 
but Mr. Eilert is not an astronomy OR planetarium expert either.  He 
is not happy with what is happening at Science City and is looking 
for experienced input and advice.  Also, as a member of the bi-state 
tax committee, he DOES have an influence on how Science City gets 
money from the Kansas side and money talks louder than letters on the 
opinion page.
> 
> By meeting with Mr. Eilert we are being given an opportunity to do 
more than just write letters.  Granted it may all come to naught, but 
his influence on the Science City purse strings, his position as 
mayor of Overland Park and what other connections he has, could have 
some unforeseen possibilities.
> 
> Rick Henderson
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: glaze_m 
>   To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 10:53 PM
>   Subject: [ASKC] Re: Today's KC STar - "As I See It" - B6
> 
> 
>   Well done, Rick!!  It sounds like you have spurred some good 
interest 
>   in this topic.
> 
>   What next?  Well, the ASKC Board met tonight and unfortunately 
came 
>   to the conclusion that the ASKC is not able to handle the 
>   administration of a planetarium.  The board feels that there is 
no 
>   possibility of persuading Union Station to keep the facility.  
The 
>   best the ASKC can do is "write letters" to encourage someone to 
>   support it at different location, and "maybe give some volunteer 
>   time".  What is needed is a person or group that has the ability 
to 
>   take on the administration of a project this type.  Some big 
issues 
>   are  equipment operation/maintenance, programming/promotion of 
the 
>   facility, and of course, on-going funding.  Tim Kristl mentioned 
that 
>   acquiring a building for such a purpose would be "workable", and 
not 
>   out of the question.  We have a lot of members who are enraged, 
but 
>   someone has to step up and say that they can make a go at this 
kind 
>   of project.
> 
>   Perhaps with the support of some key people like Mr. Eilert, some 
new 
>   avenues for the ASKC to actively contribute to this highly 
worthwhile 
>   cause will become apparent.
> 
>   Please continue your efforts, as yours and the voices of people 
like 
>   you are the best chance this city has for sustaining a 
planetarium.
> 
>   You mention that you are not a board member or keyholder.  You DO 
>   have a voice in the ASKC and are welcome to come to board 
meetings 
>   and be heard.
> 
>   Mitch Glaze
> 
> 
>   --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Henderson" <rhenderson1@k...> 
>   wrote:
>   > Well, the plot thickens...
>   > 
>   > I just received a phone call from Ed Eilert (hope I spelled 
that 
>   correctly) the mayor of Overland Park and one of the bi-state tax 
>   commission members.  He read my letter and told me that the 
Kansas 
>   mayors have not been very pleased with how the money is being 
spent 
>   at Union Station and he was concerned about closing the 
planetarium 
>   in exchange for essentially a new door.  His main reason for 
calling 
>   was that he would like to meet with members of the ASKC that 
could 
>   provide him with information and suggestions about what could be 
done 
>   to improve the programming and attendance of the Gottleib Dome 
>   Theater and Planetarium.
>   > 
>   > Although I am not a planetarium expert (I'm not even an ASKC 
board 
>   member or keyholder) I am very interested in following through on 
>   this.  From the letters that have been posted on this newsletter 
>   group, I know we can find a small group of people who could meet 
>   constructively with Mr. Eilert and give some positive input on 
how 
>   the planetarium could be put to better use.
>   > 
>   > One of my co-workers at DeVry stopped me today and said he had 
read 
>   my letter.  He said he and his family had visited Science City 
this 
>   last summer, but until he read my letter, he hadn't even realized 
>   there WAS a planetarium at Science City.  I think his remark 
pretty 
>   well sums up the problem.
>   > 
>   > The bi-state commission meets on a quarterly basis and Mr. 
Eilert 
>   would like to meet in the next few weeks, I think he said by mid 
to 
>   end of February.  I think this type of discussion goes beyond 
email 
>   newsletters, so what should we do next?  
>   > 
>   > Rick Henderson
>   >   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   >   From: Beucher, Jackie 
>   >   To: 'askc@yahoogroups.com' 
>   >   Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 12:18 PM
>   >   Subject: [ASKC] Today's KC STar - "As I See It" - B6
>   > 
>   > 
>   >   Hey, everyone!  Rick Henderson's column is in today's paper 
on the
>   >   planetarium!
>   > 
>   >   Well done, Rick.
>   > 
>   >           Jackie Beucher
>   >   EMJ - Kansas City - Sales
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I talked with Mr. Eilert for quite a while on Friday.   The Bi-State
Commission meets again mid-February, and Mr. E. wants to sit down with some
of us before that meeting.   I agreed to round up a few people for this
meeting.

One thing became clear -- gutting and using the planetarium for a new
entrance IS NOT A DONE DEAL!    In fact, Mr. E. thought the commissioners
were really not aware that was what Turner White had in mind, when this
"revamping" plans came up at the last meeting in October.

I'd like to hear from any of you that want to be in on this meeting.   (Ed
Eilert is the Mayor of Overland Park, KS, just in case you didn't know
that. )

Jackie
  -----Original Message-----
  From: glaze_m [mailto:mglaze@...]
  Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 3:06 PM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [ASKC] Re: Today's KC STar - "As I See It" - B6


  Rick,

  I am very much in favor of continuing to explore options with people
  like Mr Eilert.  I would definitely attend any meeting on the topic,
  be it with Mr Eilert (or the like), or just those of us wishing to
  discuss this further.  As you say, it "could have some unforeseen
  possibilities."  That alone is enough reason for us to pursue this
  issue. As supporters of education in astronomy, I feel we have a
  civic duty to pursue this as far as reasonably possible.

  Mitch Glaze


  --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Henderson" <rhenderson1@k...>
  wrote:
  > Mitch and all,
  >
  > Would there be a possibility of having a short meeting either
  before of after the next general meeting to discuss the possibility
  of some of the ASKC members meeting with Mr. Eilert in the next few
  weeks to discuss all of this?  I agree with the conclusion that the
  ASKC board arrived at about not being able to handle the
  administration of the planetarium.  I also agree that the closing of
  the planetarium at Science City is either a done deal or close to it,
  but we have some experience in the area of community service and
  education in the field of astronomy and even other areas and that has
  a great deal of value.
  >
  > I think what Mr. Eilert is looking for are ideas and suggestions
  about the future of a planetarium in the Kansas City area, what the
  equipment at the planetarium is capable of doing and alternatives to
  what Turner White has already decided.  I am not a planetarium expert
  but Mr. Eilert is not an astronomy OR planetarium expert either.  He
  is not happy with what is happening at Science City and is looking
  for experienced input and advice.  Also, as a member of the bi-state
  tax committee, he DOES have an influence on how Science City gets
  money from the Kansas side and money talks louder than letters on the
  opinion page.
  >
  > By meeting with Mr. Eilert we are being given an opportunity to do
  more than just write letters.  Granted it may all come to naught, but
  his influence on the Science City purse strings, his position as
  mayor of Overland Park and what other connections he has, could have
  some unforeseen possibilities.
  >
  > Rick Henderson
  >   ----- Original Message -----
  >   From: glaze_m
  >   To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  >   Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 10:53 PM
  >   Subject: [ASKC] Re: Today's KC STar - "As I See It" - B6
  >
  >
  >   Well done, Rick!!  It sounds like you have spurred some good
  interest
  >   in this topic.
  >
  >   What next?  Well, the ASKC Board met tonight and unfortunately
  came
  >   to the conclusion that the ASKC is not able to handle the
  >   administration of a planetarium.  The board feels that there is
  no
  >   possibility of persuading Union Station to keep the facility.
  The
  >   best the ASKC can do is "write letters" to encourage someone to
  >   support it at different location, and "maybe give some volunteer
  >   time".  What is needed is a person or group that has the ability
  to
  >   take on the administration of a project this type.  Some big
  issues
  >   are  equipment operation/maintenance, programming/promotion of
  the
  >   facility, and of course, on-going funding.  Tim Kristl mentioned
  that
  >   acquiring a building for such a purpose would be "workable", and
  not
  >   out of the question.  We have a lot of members who are enraged,
  but
  >   someone has to step up and say that they can make a go at this
  kind
  >   of project.
  >
  >   Perhaps with the support of some key people like Mr. Eilert, some
  new
  >   avenues for the ASKC to actively contribute to this highly
  worthwhile
  >   cause will become apparent.
  >
  >   Please continue your efforts, as yours and the voices of people
  like
  >   you are the best chance this city has for sustaining a
  planetarium.
  >
  >   You mention that you are not a board member or keyholder.  You DO
  >   have a voice in the ASKC and are welcome to come to board
  meetings
  >   and be heard.
  >
  >   Mitch Glaze
  >
  >
  >   --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Henderson" <rhenderson1@k...>
  >   wrote:
  >   > Well, the plot thickens...
  >   >
  >   > I just received a phone call from Ed Eilert (hope I spelled
  that
  >   correctly) the mayor of Overland Park and one of the bi-state tax
  >   commission members.  He read my letter and told me that the
  Kansas
  >   mayors have not been very pleased with how the money is being
  spent
  >   at Union Station and he was concerned about closing the
  planetarium
  >   in exchange for essentially a new door.  His main reason for
  calling
  >   was that he would like to meet with members of the ASKC that
  could
  >   provide him with information and suggestions about what could be
  done
  >   to improve the programming and attendance of the Gottleib Dome
  >   Theater and Planetarium.
  >   >
  >   > Although I am not a planetarium expert (I'm not even an ASKC
  board
  >   member or keyholder) I am very interested in following through on
  >   this.  From the letters that have been posted on this newsletter
  >   group, I know we can find a small group of people who could meet
  >   constructively with Mr. Eilert and give some positive input on
  how
  >   the planetarium could be put to better use.
  >   >
  >   > One of my co-workers at DeVry stopped me today and said he had
  read
  >   my letter.  He said he and his family had visited Science City
  this
  >   last summer, but until he read my letter, he hadn't even realized
  >   there WAS a planetarium at Science City.  I think his remark
  pretty
  >   well sums up the problem.
  >   >
  >   > The bi-state commission meets on a quarterly basis and Mr.
  Eilert
  >   would like to meet in the next few weeks, I think he said by mid
  to
  >   end of February.  I think this type of discussion goes beyond
  email
  >   newsletters, so what should we do next?
  >   >
  >   > Rick Henderson
  >   >   ----- Original Message -----
  >   >   From: Beucher, Jackie
  >   >   To: 'askc@yahoogroups.com'
  >   >   Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 12:18 PM
  >   >   Subject: [ASKC] Today's KC STar - "As I See It" - B6
  >   >
  >   >
  >   >   Hey, everyone!  Rick Henderson's column is in today's paper
  on the
  >   >   planetarium!
  >   >
  >   >   Well done, Rick.
  >   >
  >   >           Jackie Beucher
  >   >   EMJ - Kansas City - Sales
  >   >
  >   >
  >   >
  >   >
  >   >
  >   >
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  >   >
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  >   >
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  >
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  >
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I also have copies in the Observing Program box that I bring to every meeting if you want a paper copy.

-scott

Hi Joe,

I'm sorry, but apparently there has been a change in protocol for the
log book. My understanding was that it was just for keyholders as a
way of establishing who was responsible for what happened at the
observatory. If every member who uses the observatory signs in that
chain of responsibility is lost. It is keyholders who, because of
their training, assume responsibility for what happens from the time
the door is unlocked until it is locked again.

A separate member log-in would make sense for items like grant
requests and usage statistics. The keyholder log book should remain as
it is - for keyholder use only.

Sincerely,
Richard Fredrick

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Wright" <jswright@k...> wrote:
> I just want to remind everyone how important it is to sign the log 
> neat the kitchen door. 
> 
> 
> It isn't just for key holders or the person that opens or closes the 
> complex.  It is for all club members that use the facilities.  
> Anytime that one of the three observatories is opened and used, you 
> need to sign in. If its a public night and you are just observing, 
> put observing in the "Purpose" area.  We use this information to 
> track usage.  Last year there were 885 log entries.  That's the 
> number of members that signed in.  How many didn't???  This info 
> might be needed for grant money or tourist information.  Combine the 
> 880(+15% for no sign-in)+7100 visitors= 8,112 people at Powell in 
> 2003.
> 
> 
> A similar message will be added to a future CM.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Joe

Jackie,

Definitely count me in on the meeting with Mr. Eilert.  If you will be at the Jan 24th meeting, could we meet sometime then as well?

Rick Henderson
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jackie Beucher 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 3:35 PM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] Re: Today's KC STar - "As I See It" - B6


  I talked with Mr. Eilert for quite a while on Friday.   The Bi-State
  Commission meets again mid-February, and Mr. E. wants to sit down with some
  of us before that meeting.   I agreed to round up a few people for this
  meeting.

  One thing became clear -- gutting and using the planetarium for a new
  entrance IS NOT A DONE DEAL!    In fact, Mr. E. thought the commissioners
  were really not aware that was what Turner White had in mind, when this
  "revamping" plans came up at the last meeting in October.

  I'd like to hear from any of you that want to be in on this meeting.   (Ed
  Eilert is the Mayor of Overland Park, KS, just in case you didn't know
  that. )

  Jackie
    -----Original Message-----
    From: glaze_m [mailto:mglaze@...]
    Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 3:06 PM
    To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: [ASKC] Re: Today's KC STar - "As I See It" - B6


    Rick,

    I am very much in favor of continuing to explore options with people
    like Mr Eilert.  I would definitely attend any meeting on the topic,
    be it with Mr Eilert (or the like), or just those of us wishing to
    discuss this further.  As you say, it "could have some unforeseen
    possibilities."  That alone is enough reason for us to pursue this
    issue. As supporters of education in astronomy, I feel we have a
    civic duty to pursue this as far as reasonably possible.

    Mitch Glaze


    --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Henderson" <rhenderson1@k...>
    wrote:
    > Mitch and all,
    >
    > Would there be a possibility of having a short meeting either
    before of after the next general meeting to discuss the possibility
    of some of the ASKC members meeting with Mr. Eilert in the next few
    weeks to discuss all of this?  I agree with the conclusion that the
    ASKC board arrived at about not being able to handle the
    administration of the planetarium.  I also agree that the closing of
    the planetarium at Science City is either a done deal or close to it,
    but we have some experience in the area of community service and
    education in the field of astronomy and even other areas and that has
    a great deal of value.
    >
    > I think what Mr. Eilert is looking for are ideas and suggestions
    about the future of a planetarium in the Kansas City area, what the
    equipment at the planetarium is capable of doing and alternatives to
    what Turner White has already decided.  I am not a planetarium expert
    but Mr. Eilert is not an astronomy OR planetarium expert either.  He
    is not happy with what is happening at Science City and is looking
    for experienced input and advice.  Also, as a member of the bi-state
    tax committee, he DOES have an influence on how Science City gets
    money from the Kansas side and money talks louder than letters on the
    opinion page.
    >
    > By meeting with Mr. Eilert we are being given an opportunity to do
    more than just write letters.  Granted it may all come to naught, but
    his influence on the Science City purse strings, his position as
    mayor of Overland Park and what other connections he has, could have
    some unforeseen possibilities.
    >
    > Rick Henderson
    >   ----- Original Message -----
    >   From: glaze_m
    >   To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
    >   Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 10:53 PM
    >   Subject: [ASKC] Re: Today's KC STar - "As I See It" - B6
    >
    >
    >   Well done, Rick!!  It sounds like you have spurred some good
    interest
    >   in this topic.
    >
    >   What next?  Well, the ASKC Board met tonight and unfortunately
    came
    >   to the conclusion that the ASKC is not able to handle the
    >   administration of a planetarium.  The board feels that there is
    no
    >   possibility of persuading Union Station to keep the facility.
    The
    >   best the ASKC can do is "write letters" to encourage someone to
    >   support it at different location, and "maybe give some volunteer
    >   time".  What is needed is a person or group that has the ability
    to
    >   take on the administration of a project this type.  Some big
    issues
    >   are  equipment operation/maintenance, programming/promotion of
    the
    >   facility, and of course, on-going funding.  Tim Kristl mentioned
    that
    >   acquiring a building for such a purpose would be "workable", and
    not
    >   out of the question.  We have a lot of members who are enraged,
    but
    >   someone has to step up and say that they can make a go at this
    kind
    >   of project.
    >
    >   Perhaps with the support of some key people like Mr. Eilert, some
    new
    >   avenues for the ASKC to actively contribute to this highly
    worthwhile
    >   cause will become apparent.
    >
    >   Please continue your efforts, as yours and the voices of people
    like
    >   you are the best chance this city has for sustaining a
    planetarium.
    >
    >   You mention that you are not a board member or keyholder.  You DO
    >   have a voice in the ASKC and are welcome to come to board
    meetings
    >   and be heard.
    >
    >   Mitch Glaze
    >
    >
    >   --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Henderson" <rhenderson1@k...>
    >   wrote:
    >   > Well, the plot thickens...
    >   >
    >   > I just received a phone call from Ed Eilert (hope I spelled
    that
    >   correctly) the mayor of Overland Park and one of the bi-state tax
    >   commission members.  He read my letter and told me that the
    Kansas
    >   mayors have not been very pleased with how the money is being
    spent
    >   at Union Station and he was concerned about closing the
    planetarium
    >   in exchange for essentially a new door.  His main reason for
    calling
    >   was that he would like to meet with members of the ASKC that
    could
    >   provide him with information and suggestions about what could be
    done
    >   to improve the programming and attendance of the Gottleib Dome
    >   Theater and Planetarium.
    >   >
    >   > Although I am not a planetarium expert (I'm not even an ASKC
    board
    >   member or keyholder) I am very interested in following through on
    >   this.  From the letters that have been posted on this newsletter
    >   group, I know we can find a small group of people who could meet
    >   constructively with Mr. Eilert and give some positive input on
    how
    >   the planetarium could be put to better use.
    >   >
    >   > One of my co-workers at DeVry stopped me today and said he had
    read
    >   my letter.  He said he and his family had visited Science City
    this
    >   last summer, but until he read my letter, he hadn't even realized
    >   there WAS a planetarium at Science City.  I think his remark
    pretty
    >   well sums up the problem.
    >   >
    >   > The bi-state commission meets on a quarterly basis and Mr.
    Eilert
    >   would like to meet in the next few weeks, I think he said by mid
    to
    >   end of February.  I think this type of discussion goes beyond
    email
    >   newsletters, so what should we do next?
    >   >
    >   > Rick Henderson
    >   >   ----- Original Message -----
    >   >   From: Beucher, Jackie
    >   >   To: 'askc@yahoogroups.com'
    >   >   Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 12:18 PM
    >   >   Subject: [ASKC] Today's KC STar - "As I See It" - B6
    >   >
    >   >
    >   >   Hey, everyone!  Rick Henderson's column is in today's paper
    on the
    >   >   planetarium!
    >   >
    >   >   Well done, Rick.
    >   >
    >   >           Jackie Beucher
    >   >   EMJ - Kansas City - Sales
    >   >
    >   >
    >   >
    >   >
    >   >
    >   >
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Maybe if the key holder of record (the keyholder responsible for that time) - 
put a big K by his name - the records could all be kept in one log book.  My 
1/2 cents worth  :)
Mike Sterling


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Absolutely!

Jackie
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Rick Henderson [mailto:rhenderson1@...]
  Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 3:47 PM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] Re: Today's KC STar - "As I See It" - B6


  Jackie,

  Definitely count me in on the meeting with Mr. Eilert.  If you will be at
the Jan 24th meeting, could we meet sometime then as well?

  Rick Henderson
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Jackie Beucher
    To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 3:35 PM
    Subject: RE: [ASKC] Re: Today's KC STar - "As I See It" - B6


    I talked with Mr. Eilert for quite a while on Friday.   The Bi-State
    Commission meets again mid-February, and Mr. E. wants to sit down with
some
    of us before that meeting.   I agreed to round up a few people for this
    meeting.

    One thing became clear -- gutting and using the planetarium for a new
    entrance IS NOT A DONE DEAL!    In fact, Mr. E. thought the
commissioners
    were really not aware that was what Turner White had in mind, when this
    "revamping" plans came up at the last meeting in October.

    I'd like to hear from any of you that want to be in on this meeting.
(Ed
    Eilert is the Mayor of Overland Park, KS, just in case you didn't know
    that. )

    Jackie
      -----Original Message-----
      From: glaze_m [mailto:mglaze@...]
      Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 3:06 PM
      To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [ASKC] Re: Today's KC STar - "As I See It" - B6


      Rick,

      I am very much in favor of continuing to explore options with people
      like Mr Eilert.  I would definitely attend any meeting on the topic,
      be it with Mr Eilert (or the like), or just those of us wishing to
      discuss this further.  As you say, it "could have some unforeseen
      possibilities."  That alone is enough reason for us to pursue this
      issue. As supporters of education in astronomy, I feel we have a
      civic duty to pursue this as far as reasonably possible.

      Mitch Glaze


      --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Henderson" <rhenderson1@k...>
      wrote:
      > Mitch and all,
      >
      > Would there be a possibility of having a short meeting either
      before of after the next general meeting to discuss the possibility
      of some of the ASKC members meeting with Mr. Eilert in the next few
      weeks to discuss all of this?  I agree with the conclusion that the
      ASKC board arrived at about not being able to handle the
      administration of the planetarium.  I also agree that the closing of
      the planetarium at Science City is either a done deal or close to it,
      but we have some experience in the area of community service and
      education in the field of astronomy and even other areas and that has
      a great deal of value.
      >
      > I think what Mr. Eilert is looking for are ideas and suggestions
      about the future of a planetarium in the Kansas City area, what the
      equipment at the planetarium is capable of doing and alternatives to
      what Turner White has already decided.  I am not a planetarium expert
      but Mr. Eilert is not an astronomy OR planetarium expert either.  He
      is not happy with what is happening at Science City and is looking
      for experienced input and advice.  Also, as a member of the bi-state
      tax committee, he DOES have an influence on how Science City gets
      money from the Kansas side and money talks louder than letters on the
      opinion page.
      >
      > By meeting with Mr. Eilert we are being given an opportunity to do
      more than just write letters.  Granted it may all come to naught, but
      his influence on the Science City purse strings, his position as
      mayor of Overland Park and what other connections he has, could have
      some unforeseen possibilities.
      >
      > Rick Henderson
      >   ----- Original Message -----
      >   From: glaze_m
      >   To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
      >   Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 10:53 PM
      >   Subject: [ASKC] Re: Today's KC STar - "As I See It" - B6
      >
      >
      >   Well done, Rick!!  It sounds like you have spurred some good
      interest
      >   in this topic.
      >
      >   What next?  Well, the ASKC Board met tonight and unfortunately
      came
      >   to the conclusion that the ASKC is not able to handle the
      >   administration of a planetarium.  The board feels that there is
      no
      >   possibility of persuading Union Station to keep the facility.
      The
      >   best the ASKC can do is "write letters" to encourage someone to
      >   support it at different location, and "maybe give some volunteer
      >   time".  What is needed is a person or group that has the ability
      to
      >   take on the administration of a project this type.  Some big
      issues
      >   are  equipment operation/maintenance, programming/promotion of
      the
      >   facility, and of course, on-going funding.  Tim Kristl mentioned
      that
      >   acquiring a building for such a purpose would be "workable", and
      not
      >   out of the question.  We have a lot of members who are enraged,
      but
      >   someone has to step up and say that they can make a go at this
      kind
      >   of project.
      >
      >   Perhaps with the support of some key people like Mr. Eilert, some
      new
      >   avenues for the ASKC to actively contribute to this highly
      worthwhile
      >   cause will become apparent.
      >
      >   Please continue your efforts, as yours and the voices of people
      like
      >   you are the best chance this city has for sustaining a
      planetarium.
      >
      >   You mention that you are not a board member or keyholder.  You DO
      >   have a voice in the ASKC and are welcome to come to board
      meetings
      >   and be heard.
      >
      >   Mitch Glaze
      >
      >
      >   --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Henderson" <rhenderson1@k...>
      >   wrote:
      >   > Well, the plot thickens...
      >   >
      >   > I just received a phone call from Ed Eilert (hope I spelled
      that
      >   correctly) the mayor of Overland Park and one of the bi-state tax
      >   commission members.  He read my letter and told me that the
      Kansas
      >   mayors have not been very pleased with how the money is being
      spent
      >   at Union Station and he was concerned about closing the
      planetarium
      >   in exchange for essentially a new door.  His main reason for
      calling
      >   was that he would like to meet with members of the ASKC that
      could
      >   provide him with information and suggestions about what could be
      done
      >   to improve the programming and attendance of the Gottleib Dome
      >   Theater and Planetarium.
      >   >
      >   > Although I am not a planetarium expert (I'm not even an ASKC
      board
      >   member or keyholder) I am very interested in following through on
      >   this.  From the letters that have been posted on this newsletter
      >   group, I know we can find a small group of people who could meet
      >   constructively with Mr. Eilert and give some positive input on
      how
      >   the planetarium could be put to better use.
      >   >
      >   > One of my co-workers at DeVry stopped me today and said he had
      read
      >   my letter.  He said he and his family had visited Science City
      this
      >   last summer, but until he read my letter, he hadn't even realized
      >   there WAS a planetarium at Science City.  I think his remark
      pretty
      >   well sums up the problem.
      >   >
      >   > The bi-state commission meets on a quarterly basis and Mr.
      Eilert
      >   would like to meet in the next few weeks, I think he said by mid
      to
      >   end of February.  I think this type of discussion goes beyond
      email
      >   newsletters, so what should we do next?
      >   >
      >   > Rick Henderson
      >   >   ----- Original Message -----
      >   >   From: Beucher, Jackie
      >   >   To: 'askc@yahoogroups.com'
      >   >   Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 12:18 PM
      >   >   Subject: [ASKC] Today's KC STar - "As I See It" - B6
      >   >
      >   >
      >   >   Hey, everyone!  Rick Henderson's column is in today's paper
      on the
      >   >   planetarium!
      >   >
      >   >   Well done, Rick.
      >   >
      >   >           Jackie Beucher
      >   >   EMJ - Kansas City - Sales
      >   >
      >   >
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Jackie,

Great!  Since I'm not sure of who anybody is, I'll be the one with the gray and tan McDonald Observatory hat.  Either that or I could go find a pink carnation for my lapel, but I often get mistaken for Humphrey Bogart when I do that... (uh-huh).

Rick Henderson
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jackie Beucher 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 4:05 PM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] Re: Today's KC STar - "As I See It" - B6


  Absolutely!

  Jackie
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Rick Henderson [mailto:rhenderson1@...]
    Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 3:47 PM
    To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: Re: [ASKC] Re: Today's KC STar - "As I See It" - B6


    Jackie,

    Definitely count me in on the meeting with Mr. Eilert.  If you will be at
  the Jan 24th meeting, could we meet sometime then as well?

    Rick Henderson
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Jackie Beucher
      To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 3:35 PM
      Subject: RE: [ASKC] Re: Today's KC STar - "As I See It" - B6


      I talked with Mr. Eilert for quite a while on Friday.   The Bi-State
      Commission meets again mid-February, and Mr. E. wants to sit down with
  some
      of us before that meeting.   I agreed to round up a few people for this
      meeting.

      One thing became clear -- gutting and using the planetarium for a new
      entrance IS NOT A DONE DEAL!    In fact, Mr. E. thought the
  commissioners
      were really not aware that was what Turner White had in mind, when this
      "revamping" plans came up at the last meeting in October.

      I'd like to hear from any of you that want to be in on this meeting.
  (Ed
      Eilert is the Mayor of Overland Park, KS, just in case you didn't know
      that. )

      Jackie
        -----Original Message-----
        From: glaze_m [mailto:mglaze@...]
        Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 3:06 PM
        To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: [ASKC] Re: Today's KC STar - "As I See It" - B6


        Rick,

        I am very much in favor of continuing to explore options with people
        like Mr Eilert.  I would definitely attend any meeting on the topic,
        be it with Mr Eilert (or the like), or just those of us wishing to
        discuss this further.  As you say, it "could have some unforeseen
        possibilities."  That alone is enough reason for us to pursue this
        issue. As supporters of education in astronomy, I feel we have a
        civic duty to pursue this as far as reasonably possible.

        Mitch Glaze


        --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Henderson" <rhenderson1@k...>
        wrote:
        > Mitch and all,
        >
        > Would there be a possibility of having a short meeting either
        before of after the next general meeting to discuss the possibility
        of some of the ASKC members meeting with Mr. Eilert in the next few
        weeks to discuss all of this?  I agree with the conclusion that the
        ASKC board arrived at about not being able to handle the
        administration of the planetarium.  I also agree that the closing of
        the planetarium at Science City is either a done deal or close to it,
        but we have some experience in the area of community service and
        education in the field of astronomy and even other areas and that has
        a great deal of value.
        >
        > I think what Mr. Eilert is looking for are ideas and suggestions
        about the future of a planetarium in the Kansas City area, what the
        equipment at the planetarium is capable of doing and alternatives to
        what Turner White has already decided.  I am not a planetarium expert
        but Mr. Eilert is not an astronomy OR planetarium expert either.  He
        is not happy with what is happening at Science City and is looking
        for experienced input and advice.  Also, as a member of the bi-state
        tax committee, he DOES have an influence on how Science City gets
        money from the Kansas side and money talks louder than letters on the
        opinion page.
        >
        > By meeting with Mr. Eilert we are being given an opportunity to do
        more than just write letters.  Granted it may all come to naught, but
        his influence on the Science City purse strings, his position as
        mayor of Overland Park and what other connections he has, could have
        some unforeseen possibilities.
        >
        > Rick Henderson
        >   ----- Original Message -----
        >   From: glaze_m
        >   To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
        >   Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 10:53 PM
        >   Subject: [ASKC] Re: Today's KC STar - "As I See It" - B6
        >
        >
        >   Well done, Rick!!  It sounds like you have spurred some good
        interest
        >   in this topic.
        >
        >   What next?  Well, the ASKC Board met tonight and unfortunately
        came
        >   to the conclusion that the ASKC is not able to handle the
        >   administration of a planetarium.  The board feels that there is
        no
        >   possibility of persuading Union Station to keep the facility.
        The
        >   best the ASKC can do is "write letters" to encourage someone to
        >   support it at different location, and "maybe give some volunteer
        >   time".  What is needed is a person or group that has the ability
        to
        >   take on the administration of a project this type.  Some big
        issues
        >   are  equipment operation/maintenance, programming/promotion of
        the
        >   facility, and of course, on-going funding.  Tim Kristl mentioned
        that
        >   acquiring a building for such a purpose would be "workable", and
        not
        >   out of the question.  We have a lot of members who are enraged,
        but
        >   someone has to step up and say that they can make a go at this
        kind
        >   of project.
        >
        >   Perhaps with the support of some key people like Mr. Eilert, some
        new
        >   avenues for the ASKC to actively contribute to this highly
        worthwhile
        >   cause will become apparent.
        >
        >   Please continue your efforts, as yours and the voices of people
        like
        >   you are the best chance this city has for sustaining a
        planetarium.
        >
        >   You mention that you are not a board member or keyholder.  You DO
        >   have a voice in the ASKC and are welcome to come to board
        meetings
        >   and be heard.
        >
        >   Mitch Glaze
        >
        >
        >   --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Henderson" <rhenderson1@k...>
        >   wrote:
        >   > Well, the plot thickens...
        >   >
        >   > I just received a phone call from Ed Eilert (hope I spelled
        that
        >   correctly) the mayor of Overland Park and one of the bi-state tax
        >   commission members.  He read my letter and told me that the
        Kansas
        >   mayors have not been very pleased with how the money is being
        spent
        >   at Union Station and he was concerned about closing the
        planetarium
        >   in exchange for essentially a new door.  His main reason for
        calling
        >   was that he would like to meet with members of the ASKC that
        could
        >   provide him with information and suggestions about what could be
        done
        >   to improve the programming and attendance of the Gottleib Dome
        >   Theater and Planetarium.
        >   >
        >   > Although I am not a planetarium expert (I'm not even an ASKC
        board
        >   member or keyholder) I am very interested in following through on
        >   this.  From the letters that have been posted on this newsletter
        >   group, I know we can find a small group of people who could meet
        >   constructively with Mr. Eilert and give some positive input on
        how
        >   the planetarium could be put to better use.
        >   >
        >   > One of my co-workers at DeVry stopped me today and said he had
        read
        >   my letter.  He said he and his family had visited Science City
        this
        >   last summer, but until he read my letter, he hadn't even realized
        >   there WAS a planetarium at Science City.  I think his remark
        pretty
        >   well sums up the problem.
        >   >
        >   > The bi-state commission meets on a quarterly basis and Mr.
        Eilert
        >   would like to meet in the next few weeks, I think he said by mid
        to
        >   end of February.  I think this type of discussion goes beyond
        email
        >   newsletters, so what should we do next?
        >   >
        >   > Rick Henderson
        >   >   ----- Original Message -----
        >   >   From: Beucher, Jackie
        >   >   To: 'askc@yahoogroups.com'
        >   >   Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 12:18 PM
        >   >   Subject: [ASKC] Today's KC STar - "As I See It" - B6
        >   >
        >   >
        >   >   Hey, everyone!  Rick Henderson's column is in today's paper
        on the
        >   >   planetarium!
        >   >
        >   >   Well done, Rick.
        >   >
        >   >           Jackie Beucher
        >   >   EMJ - Kansas City - Sales
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I will probably ask David to announce a little "get-together" after the
meeting for a few minutes.   I think I will be tied up before...

See you!

Jackie
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Rick Henderson [mailto:rhenderson1@...]
  Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 4:11 PM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] Re: Today's KC STar - "As I See It" - B6


  Jackie,

  Great!  Since I'm not sure of who anybody is, I'll be the one with the
gray and tan McDonald Observatory hat.  Either that or I could go find a
pink carnation for my lapel, but I often get mistaken for Humphrey Bogart
when I do that... (uh-huh).

  Rick Henderson
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Jackie Beucher
    To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 4:05 PM
    Subject: RE: [ASKC] Re: Today's KC STar - "As I See It" - B6


    Absolutely!

    Jackie
      -----Original Message-----
      From: Rick Henderson [mailto:rhenderson1@...]
      Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 3:47 PM
      To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [ASKC] Re: Today's KC STar - "As I See It" - B6


      Jackie,

      Definitely count me in on the meeting with Mr. Eilert.  If you will be
at
    the Jan 24th meeting, could we meet sometime then as well?

      Rick Henderson
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: Jackie Beucher
        To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 3:35 PM
        Subject: RE: [ASKC] Re: Today's KC STar - "As I See It" - B6


        I talked with Mr. Eilert for quite a while on Friday.   The Bi-State
        Commission meets again mid-February, and Mr. E. wants to sit down
with
    some
        of us before that meeting.   I agreed to round up a few people for
this
        meeting.

        One thing became clear -- gutting and using the planetarium for a
new
        entrance IS NOT A DONE DEAL!    In fact, Mr. E. thought the
    commissioners
        were really not aware that was what Turner White had in mind, when
this
        "revamping" plans came up at the last meeting in October.

        I'd like to hear from any of you that want to be in on this meeting.
    (Ed
        Eilert is the Mayor of Overland Park, KS, just in case you didn't
know
        that. )

        Jackie
          -----Original Message-----
          From: glaze_m [mailto:mglaze@...]
          Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 3:06 PM
          To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: [ASKC] Re: Today's KC STar - "As I See It" - B6


          Rick,

          I am very much in favor of continuing to explore options with
people
          like Mr Eilert.  I would definitely attend any meeting on the
topic,
          be it with Mr Eilert (or the like), or just those of us wishing to
          discuss this further.  As you say, it "could have some unforeseen
          possibilities."  That alone is enough reason for us to pursue this
          issue. As supporters of education in astronomy, I feel we have a
          civic duty to pursue this as far as reasonably possible.

          Mitch Glaze


          --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Henderson" <rhenderson1@k...>
          wrote:
          > Mitch and all,
          >
          > Would there be a possibility of having a short meeting either
          before of after the next general meeting to discuss the
possibility
          of some of the ASKC members meeting with Mr. Eilert in the next
few
          weeks to discuss all of this?  I agree with the conclusion that
the
          ASKC board arrived at about not being able to handle the
          administration of the planetarium.  I also agree that the closing
of
          the planetarium at Science City is either a done deal or close to
it,
          but we have some experience in the area of community service and
          education in the field of astronomy and even other areas and that
has
          a great deal of value.
          >
          > I think what Mr. Eilert is looking for are ideas and suggestions
          about the future of a planetarium in the Kansas City area, what
the
          equipment at the planetarium is capable of doing and alternatives
to
          what Turner White has already decided.  I am not a planetarium
expert
          but Mr. Eilert is not an astronomy OR planetarium expert either.
He
          is not happy with what is happening at Science City and is looking
          for experienced input and advice.  Also, as a member of the
bi-state
          tax committee, he DOES have an influence on how Science City gets
          money from the Kansas side and money talks louder than letters on
the
          opinion page.
          >
          > By meeting with Mr. Eilert we are being given an opportunity to
do
          more than just write letters.  Granted it may all come to naught,
but
          his influence on the Science City purse strings, his position as
          mayor of Overland Park and what other connections he has, could
have
          some unforeseen possibilities.
          >
          > Rick Henderson
          >   ----- Original Message -----
          >   From: glaze_m
          >   To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
          >   Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 10:53 PM
          >   Subject: [ASKC] Re: Today's KC STar - "As I See It" - B6
          >
          >
          >   Well done, Rick!!  It sounds like you have spurred some good
          interest
          >   in this topic.
          >
          >   What next?  Well, the ASKC Board met tonight and unfortunately
          came
          >   to the conclusion that the ASKC is not able to handle the
          >   administration of a planetarium.  The board feels that there
is
          no
          >   possibility of persuading Union Station to keep the facility.
          The
          >   best the ASKC can do is "write letters" to encourage someone
to
          >   support it at different location, and "maybe give some
volunteer
          >   time".  What is needed is a person or group that has the
ability
          to
          >   take on the administration of a project this type.  Some big
          issues
          >   are  equipment operation/maintenance, programming/promotion of
          the
          >   facility, and of course, on-going funding.  Tim Kristl
mentioned
          that
          >   acquiring a building for such a purpose would be "workable",
and
          not
          >   out of the question.  We have a lot of members who are
enraged,
          but
          >   someone has to step up and say that they can make a go at this
          kind
          >   of project.
          >
          >   Perhaps with the support of some key people like Mr. Eilert,
some
          new
          >   avenues for the ASKC to actively contribute to this highly
          worthwhile
          >   cause will become apparent.
          >
          >   Please continue your efforts, as yours and the voices of
people
          like
          >   you are the best chance this city has for sustaining a
          planetarium.
          >
          >   You mention that you are not a board member or keyholder.  You
DO
          >   have a voice in the ASKC and are welcome to come to board
          meetings
          >   and be heard.
          >
          >   Mitch Glaze
          >
          >
          >   --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Henderson"
<rhenderson1@k...>
          >   wrote:
          >   > Well, the plot thickens...
          >   >
          >   > I just received a phone call from Ed Eilert (hope I spelled
          that
          >   correctly) the mayor of Overland Park and one of the bi-state
tax
          >   commission members.  He read my letter and told me that the
          Kansas
          >   mayors have not been very pleased with how the money is being
          spent
          >   at Union Station and he was concerned about closing the
          planetarium
          >   in exchange for essentially a new door.  His main reason for
          calling
          >   was that he would like to meet with members of the ASKC that
          could
          >   provide him with information and suggestions about what could
be
          done
          >   to improve the programming and attendance of the Gottleib Dome
          >   Theater and Planetarium.
          >   >
          >   > Although I am not a planetarium expert (I'm not even an ASKC
          board
          >   member or keyholder) I am very interested in following through
on
          >   this.  From the letters that have been posted on this
newsletter
          >   group, I know we can find a small group of people who could
meet
          >   constructively with Mr. Eilert and give some positive input on
          how
          >   the planetarium could be put to better use.
          >   >
          >   > One of my co-workers at DeVry stopped me today and said he
had
          read
          >   my letter.  He said he and his family had visited Science City
          this
          >   last summer, but until he read my letter, he hadn't even
realized
          >   there WAS a planetarium at Science City.  I think his remark
          pretty
          >   well sums up the problem.
          >   >
          >   > The bi-state commission meets on a quarterly basis and Mr.
          Eilert
          >   would like to meet in the next few weeks, I think he said by
mid
          to
          >   end of February.  I think this type of discussion goes beyond
          email
          >   newsletters, so what should we do next?
          >   >
          >   > Rick Henderson
          >   >   ----- Original Message -----
          >   >   From: Beucher, Jackie
          >   >   To: 'askc@yahoogroups.com'
          >   >   Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 12:18 PM
          >   >   Subject: [ASKC] Today's KC STar - "As I See It" - B6
          >   >
          >   >
          >   >   Hey, everyone!  Rick Henderson's column is in today's
paper
          on the
          >   >   planetarium!
          >   >
          >   >   Well done, Rick.
          >   >
          >   >           Jackie Beucher
          >   >   EMJ - Kansas City - Sales
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Yes, at one time I thought there was a KIC (Key-holder in Charge) indicator column so that everyone knew who was in charge for that night.

I think Nick created this when he was OD.

-scott

   I will be available if needed.
Clear Skies,
Randy
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Rick Henderson 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 3:46 PM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] Re: Today's KC STar - "As I See It" - B6


  Jackie,

  Definitely count me in on the meeting with Mr. Eilert.  If you will be at the Jan 24th meeting, could we meet sometime then as well?

  Rick Henderson
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Jackie Beucher 
    To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
    Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 3:35 PM
    Subject: RE: [ASKC] Re: Today's KC STar - "As I See It" - B6


    I talked with Mr. Eilert for quite a while on Friday.   The Bi-State
    Commission meets again mid-February, and Mr. E. wants to sit down with some
    of us before that meeting.   I agreed to round up a few people for this
    meeting.

    One thing became clear -- gutting and using the planetarium for a new
    entrance IS NOT A DONE DEAL!    In fact, Mr. E. thought the commissioners
    were really not aware that was what Turner White had in mind, when this
    "revamping" plans came up at the last meeting in October.

    I'd like to hear from any of you that want to be in on this meeting.   (Ed
    Eilert is the Mayor of Overland Park, KS, just in case you didn't know
    that. )

    Jackie
      -----Original Message-----
      From: glaze_m [mailto:mglaze@...]
      Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 3:06 PM
      To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [ASKC] Re: Today's KC STar - "As I See It" - B6


      Rick,

      I am very much in favor of continuing to explore options with people
      like Mr Eilert.  I would definitely attend any meeting on the topic,
      be it with Mr Eilert (or the like), or just those of us wishing to
      discuss this further.  As you say, it "could have some unforeseen
      possibilities."  That alone is enough reason for us to pursue this
      issue. As supporters of education in astronomy, I feel we have a
      civic duty to pursue this as far as reasonably possible.

      Mitch Glaze


      --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Henderson" <rhenderson1@k...>
      wrote:
      > Mitch and all,
      >
      > Would there be a possibility of having a short meeting either
      before of after the next general meeting to discuss the possibility
      of some of the ASKC members meeting with Mr. Eilert in the next few
      weeks to discuss all of this?  I agree with the conclusion that the
      ASKC board arrived at about not being able to handle the
      administration of the planetarium.  I also agree that the closing of
      the planetarium at Science City is either a done deal or close to it,
      but we have some experience in the area of community service and
      education in the field of astronomy and even other areas and that has
      a great deal of value.
      >
      > I think what Mr. Eilert is looking for are ideas and suggestions
      about the future of a planetarium in the Kansas City area, what the
      equipment at the planetarium is capable of doing and alternatives to
      what Turner White has already decided.  I am not a planetarium expert
      but Mr. Eilert is not an astronomy OR planetarium expert either.  He
      is not happy with what is happening at Science City and is looking
      for experienced input and advice.  Also, as a member of the bi-state
      tax committee, he DOES have an influence on how Science City gets
      money from the Kansas side and money talks louder than letters on the
      opinion page.
      >
      > By meeting with Mr. Eilert we are being given an opportunity to do
      more than just write letters.  Granted it may all come to naught, but
      his influence on the Science City purse strings, his position as
      mayor of Overland Park and what other connections he has, could have
      some unforeseen possibilities.
      >
      > Rick Henderson
      >   ----- Original Message -----
      >   From: glaze_m
      >   To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
      >   Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 10:53 PM
      >   Subject: [ASKC] Re: Today's KC STar - "As I See It" - B6
      >
      >
      >   Well done, Rick!!  It sounds like you have spurred some good
      interest
      >   in this topic.
      >
      >   What next?  Well, the ASKC Board met tonight and unfortunately
      came
      >   to the conclusion that the ASKC is not able to handle the
      >   administration of a planetarium.  The board feels that there is
      no
      >   possibility of persuading Union Station to keep the facility.
      The
      >   best the ASKC can do is "write letters" to encourage someone to
      >   support it at different location, and "maybe give some volunteer
      >   time".  What is needed is a person or group that has the ability
      to
      >   take on the administration of a project this type.  Some big
      issues
      >   are  equipment operation/maintenance, programming/promotion of
      the
      >   facility, and of course, on-going funding.  Tim Kristl mentioned
      that
      >   acquiring a building for such a purpose would be "workable", and
      not
      >   out of the question.  We have a lot of members who are enraged,
      but
      >   someone has to step up and say that they can make a go at this
      kind
      >   of project.
      >
      >   Perhaps with the support of some key people like Mr. Eilert, some
      new
      >   avenues for the ASKC to actively contribute to this highly
      worthwhile
      >   cause will become apparent.
      >
      >   Please continue your efforts, as yours and the voices of people
      like
      >   you are the best chance this city has for sustaining a
      planetarium.
      >
      >   You mention that you are not a board member or keyholder.  You DO
      >   have a voice in the ASKC and are welcome to come to board
      meetings
      >   and be heard.
      >
      >   Mitch Glaze
      >
      >
      >   --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Henderson" <rhenderson1@k...>
      >   wrote:
      >   > Well, the plot thickens...
      >   >
      >   > I just received a phone call from Ed Eilert (hope I spelled
      that
      >   correctly) the mayor of Overland Park and one of the bi-state tax
      >   commission members.  He read my letter and told me that the
      Kansas
      >   mayors have not been very pleased with how the money is being
      spent
      >   at Union Station and he was concerned about closing the
      planetarium
      >   in exchange for essentially a new door.  His main reason for
      calling
      >   was that he would like to meet with members of the ASKC that
      could
      >   provide him with information and suggestions about what could be
      done
      >   to improve the programming and attendance of the Gottleib Dome
      >   Theater and Planetarium.
      >   >
      >   > Although I am not a planetarium expert (I'm not even an ASKC
      board
      >   member or keyholder) I am very interested in following through on
      >   this.  From the letters that have been posted on this newsletter
      >   group, I know we can find a small group of people who could meet
      >   constructively with Mr. Eilert and give some positive input on
      how
      >   the planetarium could be put to better use.
      >   >
      >   > One of my co-workers at DeVry stopped me today and said he had
      read
      >   my letter.  He said he and his family had visited Science City
      this
      >   last summer, but until he read my letter, he hadn't even realized
      >   there WAS a planetarium at Science City.  I think his remark
      pretty
      >   well sums up the problem.
      >   >
      >   > The bi-state commission meets on a quarterly basis and Mr.
      Eilert
      >   would like to meet in the next few weeks, I think he said by mid
      to
      >   end of February.  I think this type of discussion goes beyond
      email
      >   newsletters, so what should we do next?
      >   >
      >   > Rick Henderson
      >   >   ----- Original Message -----
      >   >   From: Beucher, Jackie
      >   >   To: 'askc@yahoogroups.com'
      >   >   Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 12:18 PM
      >   >   Subject: [ASKC] Today's KC STar - "As I See It" - B6
      >   >
      >   >
      >   >   Hey, everyone!  Rick Henderson's column is in today's paper
      on the
      >   >   planetarium!
      >   >
      >   >   Well done, Rick.
      >   >
      >   >           Jackie Beucher
      >   >   EMJ - Kansas City - Sales
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In a message dated 1/11/2004 4:22:44 PM Central Standard Time, 
m31@... writes:

> tied up before...

I wanna sign up for that one   :)


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I am all set to host a presentation and a group of 30 that will come into 
Powell from Kansas City area. They have the directions and will come by 7. Most 
of them (mostly older crowd) have never been to the Observatory I believe 
Jackie has the helm for the telescope. I will do my presentation on Judiasm and 
Astronomy (this will be the 3rd one). A couple I think have wheel chairs so they 
won't be able to use the big telescope and the stairs . But that reminds me 
that they might be able to use the other scope.

I want to come out one night when it is clear to test out my laptop and the 
presentation before Saturday. I would appreciate if anyone who will be using 
the observatory can let me know wed , thursday or friday whether they will be at 
the observatory that night. 

I am putting together a website that people can use to see 3d photos by using 
their 3d glasses with some of the websites currently available and hopefully 
more to come with Spirit.

Thanks

Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), 
Olathe, KS. USA

From CNN from the authors of 
APOD- Astronomy PIcture of the Day website and book
Robert Nemiroff (MTU) & Jerry Bonnell (USRA)
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html
 now has come out with a book with the best of the APOD (Moon, Galaxy, space 
and other photos). I don't know the list but I am certain there is probably 
an 
eclipse picture or two in the book.

Meanwhile you can also look through the archives at
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/archivepix.html
 and see the APOD that relate to eclipses that I have found previously at the 
archives on these following dates

2003 December 08: An Antarctic Total Solar Eclipse
2003 November 08: Eclipsed Moon in Infrared
2002 December 06: Zimbabwe Solar Eclipse
2002 December 04: Moon, Mars, Venus, and Spica
2002 December 03: Eclipse Over Acacia
2001 June 22: Eclipse in African Skies
2001 June 21: Diamond Ring in the Sun
2001 June 20: Total Eclipse of the Active Sun

I will compile some of the meteor and other ones in the near future as well 
but I wanted to see the eclipse ones first

Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), 
Olathe, KS. USA
 7 total solar eclipses and counting: 
webmaster Eric's Black Sun Eclipse website - 
<http://members.aol.com/kcstarguy/blacksun/eclipse.htm.
>webmaster,  Satori Astronomy website 
<http://members.aol.com/kcstarguy/satoriastronomy/satoriastronomy.htm> 

Count me in!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jackie Beucher 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 3:35 PM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] Re: Today's KC STar - "As I See It" - B6


  I talked with Mr. Eilert for quite a while on Friday.   The Bi-State
  Commission meets again mid-February, and Mr. E. wants to sit down with some
  of us before that meeting.   I agreed to round up a few people for this
  meeting.

  One thing became clear -- gutting and using the planetarium for a new
  entrance IS NOT A DONE DEAL!    In fact, Mr. E. thought the commissioners
  were really not aware that was what Turner White had in mind, when this
  "revamping" plans came up at the last meeting in October.

  I'd like to hear from any of you that want to be in on this meeting.   (Ed
  Eilert is the Mayor of Overland Park, KS, just in case you didn't know
  that. )

  Jackie
    -----Original Message-----
    From: glaze_m [mailto:mglaze@...]
    Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 3:06 PM
    To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: [ASKC] Re: Today's KC STar - "As I See It" - B6


    Rick,

    I am very much in favor of continuing to explore options with people
    like Mr Eilert.  I would definitely attend any meeting on the topic,
    be it with Mr Eilert (or the like), or just those of us wishing to
    discuss this further.  As you say, it "could have some unforeseen
    possibilities."  That alone is enough reason for us to pursue this
    issue. As supporters of education in astronomy, I feel we have a
    civic duty to pursue this as far as reasonably possible.

    Mitch Glaze


    --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Henderson" <rhenderson1@k...>
    wrote:
    > Mitch and all,
    >
    > Would there be a possibility of having a short meeting either
    before of after the next general meeting to discuss the possibility
    of some of the ASKC members meeting with Mr. Eilert in the next few
    weeks to discuss all of this?  I agree with the conclusion that the
    ASKC board arrived at about not being able to handle the
    administration of the planetarium.  I also agree that the closing of
    the planetarium at Science City is either a done deal or close to it,
    but we have some experience in the area of community service and
    education in the field of astronomy and even other areas and that has
    a great deal of value.
    >
    > I think what Mr. Eilert is looking for are ideas and suggestions
    about the future of a planetarium in the Kansas City area, what the
    equipment at the planetarium is capable of doing and alternatives to
    what Turner White has already decided.  I am not a planetarium expert
    but Mr. Eilert is not an astronomy OR planetarium expert either.  He
    is not happy with what is happening at Science City and is looking
    for experienced input and advice.  Also, as a member of the bi-state
    tax committee, he DOES have an influence on how Science City gets
    money from the Kansas side and money talks louder than letters on the
    opinion page.
    >
    > By meeting with Mr. Eilert we are being given an opportunity to do
    more than just write letters.  Granted it may all come to naught, but
    his influence on the Science City purse strings, his position as
    mayor of Overland Park and what other connections he has, could have
    some unforeseen possibilities.
    >
    > Rick Henderson
    >   ----- Original Message -----
    >   From: glaze_m
    >   To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
    >   Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 10:53 PM
    >   Subject: [ASKC] Re: Today's KC STar - "As I See It" - B6
    >
    >
    >   Well done, Rick!!  It sounds like you have spurred some good
    interest
    >   in this topic.
    >
    >   What next?  Well, the ASKC Board met tonight and unfortunately
    came
    >   to the conclusion that the ASKC is not able to handle the
    >   administration of a planetarium.  The board feels that there is
    no
    >   possibility of persuading Union Station to keep the facility.
    The
    >   best the ASKC can do is "write letters" to encourage someone to
    >   support it at different location, and "maybe give some volunteer
    >   time".  What is needed is a person or group that has the ability
    to
    >   take on the administration of a project this type.  Some big
    issues
    >   are  equipment operation/maintenance, programming/promotion of
    the
    >   facility, and of course, on-going funding.  Tim Kristl mentioned
    that
    >   acquiring a building for such a purpose would be "workable", and
    not
    >   out of the question.  We have a lot of members who are enraged,
    but
    >   someone has to step up and say that they can make a go at this
    kind
    >   of project.
    >
    >   Perhaps with the support of some key people like Mr. Eilert, some
    new
    >   avenues for the ASKC to actively contribute to this highly
    worthwhile
    >   cause will become apparent.
    >
    >   Please continue your efforts, as yours and the voices of people
    like
    >   you are the best chance this city has for sustaining a
    planetarium.
    >
    >   You mention that you are not a board member or keyholder.  You DO
    >   have a voice in the ASKC and are welcome to come to board
    meetings
    >   and be heard.
    >
    >   Mitch Glaze
    >
    >
    >   --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Henderson" <rhenderson1@k...>
    >   wrote:
    >   > Well, the plot thickens...
    >   >
    >   > I just received a phone call from Ed Eilert (hope I spelled
    that
    >   correctly) the mayor of Overland Park and one of the bi-state tax
    >   commission members.  He read my letter and told me that the
    Kansas
    >   mayors have not been very pleased with how the money is being
    spent
    >   at Union Station and he was concerned about closing the
    planetarium
    >   in exchange for essentially a new door.  His main reason for
    calling
    >   was that he would like to meet with members of the ASKC that
    could
    >   provide him with information and suggestions about what could be
    done
    >   to improve the programming and attendance of the Gottleib Dome
    >   Theater and Planetarium.
    >   >
    >   > Although I am not a planetarium expert (I'm not even an ASKC
    board
    >   member or keyholder) I am very interested in following through on
    >   this.  From the letters that have been posted on this newsletter
    >   group, I know we can find a small group of people who could meet
    >   constructively with Mr. Eilert and give some positive input on
    how
    >   the planetarium could be put to better use.
    >   >
    >   > One of my co-workers at DeVry stopped me today and said he had
    read
    >   my letter.  He said he and his family had visited Science City
    this
    >   last summer, but until he read my letter, he hadn't even realized
    >   there WAS a planetarium at Science City.  I think his remark
    pretty
    >   well sums up the problem.
    >   >
    >   > The bi-state commission meets on a quarterly basis and Mr.
    Eilert
    >   would like to meet in the next few weeks, I think he said by mid
    to
    >   end of February.  I think this type of discussion goes beyond
    email
    >   newsletters, so what should we do next?
    >   >
    >   > Rick Henderson
    >   >   ----- Original Message -----
    >   >   From: Beucher, Jackie
    >   >   To: 'askc@yahoogroups.com'
    >   >   Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 12:18 PM
    >   >   Subject: [ASKC] Today's KC STar - "As I See It" - B6
    >   >
    >   >
    >   >   Hey, everyone!  Rick Henderson's column is in today's paper
    on the
    >   >   planetarium!
    >   >
    >   >   Well done, Rick.
    >   >
    >   >           Jackie Beucher
    >   >   EMJ - Kansas City - Sales
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I'll bring feathers. I think she might be ticklish.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: mikekansascity@... 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 4:38 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] Re: tied up before... "As I See It" - B6


  In a message dated 1/11/2004 4:22:44 PM Central Standard Time, 
  m31@... writes:

  > tied up before...

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We should encourage all ASKC members to sign the log book when visiting/using the facilities.  Do we not ask all attending the board meeting
to sign their name, board member or not?  Just because a non key holder member signs in, does not relinquish the KH from duty or
responsiblity.  If there is need, we will do what we always do.  Scan the book and contact the last KH that signed out.  This is an honor
system.  Some routinely sign in and out, while others forget.  Take for example this past summer.  If each one signed in that helped with the
Mars Attacks, it would have been easier to figure exactly how many people did help and how much time was given.  Even though I wrote names
down to thank them, what if I missed one or two individuals.  I truly doubt that there will be 290 signatures on any give night.  That would
be great.  As far as the "KIC", that has not been down away with.  Typically on team nights, it is the team leader or designate.  On duty
nights, usually the first one to open the door.  Special events, the observatory staff.  To refresh some of you.  A "KIC" is Key Holder in
Charge. This person is responsible for the observatory.  If he or she leaves while the observatory is in use, they transfer the responsibility
to another key holder or close the observatory.  No saluting is required.

Thanks to all who shared their thoughts.


Joe

Gee Shelley:

I was picturing the variations of by the numbers, pigs in a pin, sheep over
the fence, carts before horses and eggs in a basket.


Joe

It is scary to see how many young people really don't know we went to the moon.  I usually try to ask young groups
and blank faces I get is sad.

Joe

Jen Winter - ICSTARS Astronomy wrote:

> Here is the AP story on the topic:
>
> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=544&ncid=693&e=1&u=%2Fap%2F20040109%2Fap_on_go_pr_wh%2Fbush_space
>
> Regarding grumblings over missile technology for wartime and peacetime,
> remember that Von Braun, the father of modern rocketry, developed much of
> his technology in wartime Europe.  It's legwork that's part of the job, and
> pays the bills.  If a bomb blows up on the launchpad, nobody cries except
> the budget officer and the scapegoat who loses his job.  If a fire on the
> launch pad kills Apollo 1 crewmen, a nation mourns.
>
> Also if all of us think back to moments in our early years to what touched
> our minds and inspired us to look to the sky... most of us have a memory of
> something from the space program... from sputnik to moon landings, we were
> ALL inspired.
> It's going to be hard to wait the 20 years to meet the children who
> witnessed the success of the Mars Spirit mission when they grow up and lead
> inspired lives of study, invention and exploration of the
> Universe.  Inspiration is happening to another generation without us even
> being aware!
>
> Cool!
>
> jen
>
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--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Wright <jswright@k...> wrote:
> It is scary to see how many young people really don't know we went
to the moon.  

What else is scary are the two guys at work I try to avoid. They
believe we never went. They have all the answers as to why it was all
a hoax. I discovered long ago, there is no amount of reasoning or
science fact you can relate to these guys on a base level to convince
them otherwise. 

It's also scary how many people don't know there was a planetarium at science city. (lower case intentional)
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Joseph Wright 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 8:00 PM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] NEWS Info


  It is scary to see how many young people really don't know we went to the moon.  I usually try to ask young groups
  and blank faces I get is sad.

  Joe

  Jen Winter - ICSTARS Astronomy wrote:

  > Here is the AP story on the topic:
  >
  > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=544&ncid=693&e=1&u=%2Fap%2F20040109%2Fap_on_go_pr_wh%2Fbush_space
  >
  > Regarding grumblings over missile technology for wartime and peacetime,
  > remember that Von Braun, the father of modern rocketry, developed much of
  > his technology in wartime Europe.  It's legwork that's part of the job, and
  > pays the bills.  If a bomb blows up on the launchpad, nobody cries except
  > the budget officer and the scapegoat who loses his job.  If a fire on the
  > launch pad kills Apollo 1 crewmen, a nation mourns.
  >
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  > our minds and inspired us to look to the sky... most of us have a memory of
  > something from the space program... from sputnik to moon landings, we were
  > ALL inspired.
  > It's going to be hard to wait the 20 years to meet the children who
  > witnessed the success of the Mars Spirit mission when they grow up and lead
  > inspired lives of study, invention and exploration of the
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  > being aware!
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Hi Folks,

I just got back in town from vacation and see some of these messages about a
possible meeting with Mayor Eilert about the planetarium. I agree with many
others that it would be a shame to miss this opportunity to meet with him
and see what might reasonably be done.

But you can't go to a meeting like that without some specific ideas to give
him as ammunition.

I'd suggest that we talk to Michael Bakich first.... he might have some
specific ideas about possible courses of action. He is certainly much more
familiar with the overall problem than we are. Probably the sooner the
better.

He might barely remember me, but is there anyone (David, Jackie?)  that he
would know a lot better and be willing to talk to?

Dave H.



----- Original Message -----
From: "glaze_m" <mglaze@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 3:05 PM
Subject: [ASKC] Re: Today's KC STar - "As I See It" - B6


> Rick,
>
> I am very much in favor of continuing to explore options with people
> like Mr Eilert.  I would definitely attend any meeting on the topic,
> be it with Mr Eilert (or the like), or just those of us wishing to
> discuss this further.  As you say, it "could have some unforeseen
> possibilities."  That alone is enough reason for us to pursue this
> issue. As supporters of education in astronomy, I feel we have a
> civic duty to pursue this as far as reasonably possible.
>
> Mitch Glaze
>
>
> --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Henderson" <rhenderson1@k...>
> wrote:
> > Mitch and all,
> >
> > Would there be a possibility of having a short meeting either
> before of after the next general meeting to discuss the possibility
> of some of the ASKC members meeting with Mr. Eilert in the next few
> weeks to discuss all of this?  I agree with the conclusion that the
> ASKC board arrived at about not being able to handle the
> administration of the planetarium.  I also agree that the closing of
> the planetarium at Science City is either a done deal or close to it,
> but we have some experience in the area of community service and
> education in the field of astronomy and even other areas and that has
> a great deal of value.
> >
> > I think what Mr. Eilert is looking for are ideas and suggestions
> about the future of a planetarium in the Kansas City area, what the
> equipment at the planetarium is capable of doing and alternatives to
> what Turner White has already decided.  I am not a planetarium expert
> but Mr. Eilert is not an astronomy OR planetarium expert either.  He
> is not happy with what is happening at Science City and is looking
> for experienced input and advice.  Also, as a member of the bi-state
> tax committee, he DOES have an influence on how Science City gets
> money from the Kansas side and money talks louder than letters on the
> opinion page.
> >
> > By meeting with Mr. Eilert we are being given an opportunity to do
> more than just write letters.  Granted it may all come to naught, but
> his influence on the Science City purse strings, his position as
> mayor of Overland Park and what other connections he has, could have
> some unforeseen possibilities.
> >
> > Rick Henderson
> >   ----- Original Message -----
> >   From: glaze_m
> >   To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> >   Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 10:53 PM
> >   Subject: [ASKC] Re: Today's KC STar - "As I See It" - B6
> >
> >
> >   Well done, Rick!!  It sounds like you have spurred some good
> interest
> >   in this topic.
> >
> >   What next?  Well, the ASKC Board met tonight and unfortunately
> came
> >   to the conclusion that the ASKC is not able to handle the
> >   administration of a planetarium.  The board feels that there is
> no
> >   possibility of persuading Union Station to keep the facility.
> The
> >   best the ASKC can do is "write letters" to encourage someone to
> >   support it at different location, and "maybe give some volunteer
> >   time".  What is needed is a person or group that has the ability
> to
> >   take on the administration of a project this type.  Some big
> issues
> >   are  equipment operation/maintenance, programming/promotion of
> the
> >   facility, and of course, on-going funding.  Tim Kristl mentioned
> that
> >   acquiring a building for such a purpose would be "workable", and
> not
> >   out of the question.  We have a lot of members who are enraged,
> but
> >   someone has to step up and say that they can make a go at this
> kind
> >   of project.
> >
> >   Perhaps with the support of some key people like Mr. Eilert, some
> new
> >   avenues for the ASKC to actively contribute to this highly
> worthwhile
> >   cause will become apparent.
> >
> >   Please continue your efforts, as yours and the voices of people
> like
> >   you are the best chance this city has for sustaining a
> planetarium.
> >
> >   You mention that you are not a board member or keyholder.  You DO
> >   have a voice in the ASKC and are welcome to come to board
> meetings
> >   and be heard.
> >
> >   Mitch Glaze
> >
> >
> >   --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Henderson" <rhenderson1@k...>
> >   wrote:
> >   > Well, the plot thickens...
> >   >
> >   > I just received a phone call from Ed Eilert (hope I spelled
> that
> >   correctly) the mayor of Overland Park and one of the bi-state tax
> >   commission members.  He read my letter and told me that the
> Kansas
> >   mayors have not been very pleased with how the money is being
> spent
> >   at Union Station and he was concerned about closing the
> planetarium
> >   in exchange for essentially a new door.  His main reason for
> calling
> >   was that he would like to meet with members of the ASKC that
> could
> >   provide him with information and suggestions about what could be
> done
> >   to improve the programming and attendance of the Gottleib Dome
> >   Theater and Planetarium.
> >   >
> >   > Although I am not a planetarium expert (I'm not even an ASKC
> board
> >   member or keyholder) I am very interested in following through on
> >   this.  From the letters that have been posted on this newsletter
> >   group, I know we can find a small group of people who could meet
> >   constructively with Mr. Eilert and give some positive input on
> how
> >   the planetarium could be put to better use.
> >   >
> >   > One of my co-workers at DeVry stopped me today and said he had
> read
> >   my letter.  He said he and his family had visited Science City
> this
> >   last summer, but until he read my letter, he hadn't even realized
> >   there WAS a planetarium at Science City.  I think his remark
> pretty
> >   well sums up the problem.
> >   >
> >   > The bi-state commission meets on a quarterly basis and Mr.
> Eilert
> >   would like to meet in the next few weeks, I think he said by mid
> to
> >   end of February.  I think this type of discussion goes beyond
> email
> >   newsletters, so what should we do next?
> >   >
> >   > Rick Henderson
> >   >   ----- Original Message -----
> >   >   From: Beucher, Jackie
> >   >   To: 'askc@yahoogroups.com'
> >   >   Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 12:18 PM
> >   >   Subject: [ASKC] Today's KC STar - "As I See It" - B6
> >   >
> >   >
> >   >   Hey, everyone!  Rick Henderson's column is in today's paper
> on the
> >   >   planetarium!
> >   >
> >   >   Well done, Rick.
> >   >
> >   >           Jackie Beucher
> >   >   EMJ - Kansas City - Sales
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Is it really necessary for some of us to put ALL the correspondence of all 
the other letters from everyone in the email messages to ASKC listserve? Geezzz 
these get quite long .

I don't mind logging into the observatory. However if I use the AIC (is that 
what it is called ? ) I would like to know if I need to sign in even if I am 
not a keyholder. 

 Everyone however should be "on the same page" regarding this as well as 
making sure keyholder and others  are asked about donations and charging for 
people "who come off the street "especially the ones on Saturdays (this does not 
relate to the people who have special events and charges at Powell for certain 
nights). 
Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), 

I have Sunday's KC Star  1-11-04 page B6 in my hand and I see nothing about
the planetarium.  What paper / date are you referring to?

D Trentman




-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Thompson [mailto:randythm@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 4:38 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Re: Today's KC STar - "As I See It" - B6

   I will be available if needed.
Clear Skies,
Randy
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Rick Henderson
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 3:46 PM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] Re: Today's KC STar - "As I See It" - B6


  Jackie,

  Definitely count me in on the meeting with Mr. Eilert.  If you will be at
the Jan 24th meeting, could we meet sometime then as well?

  Rick Henderson
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Jackie Beucher
    To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 3:35 PM
    Subject: RE: [ASKC] Re: Today's KC STar - "As I See It" - B6


    I talked with Mr. Eilert for quite a while on Friday.   The Bi-State
    Commission meets again mid-February, and Mr. E. wants to sit down with
some
    of us before that meeting.   I agreed to round up a few people for this
    meeting.

    One thing became clear -- gutting and using the planetarium for a new
    entrance IS NOT A DONE DEAL!    In fact, Mr. E. thought the
commissioners
    were really not aware that was what Turner White had in mind, when this
    "revamping" plans came up at the last meeting in October.

    I'd like to hear from any of you that want to be in on this meeting.
(Ed
    Eilert is the Mayor of Overland Park, KS, just in case you didn't know
    that. )

    Jackie
      -----Original Message-----
      From: glaze_m [mailto:mglaze@...]
      Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 3:06 PM
      To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [ASKC] Re: Today's KC STar - "As I See It" - B6


      Rick,

      I am very much in favor of continuing to explore options with people
      like Mr Eilert.  I would definitely attend any meeting on the topic,
      be it with Mr Eilert (or the like), or just those of us wishing to
      discuss this further.  As you say, it "could have some unforeseen
      possibilities."  That alone is enough reason for us to pursue this
      issue. As supporters of education in astronomy, I feel we have a
      civic duty to pursue this as far as reasonably possible.

      Mitch Glaze


      --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Henderson" <rhenderson1@k...>
      wrote:
      > Mitch and all,
      >
      > Would there be a possibility of having a short meeting either
      before of after the next general meeting to discuss the possibility
      of some of the ASKC members meeting with Mr. Eilert in the next few
      weeks to discuss all of this?  I agree with the conclusion that the
      ASKC board arrived at about not being able to handle the
      administration of the planetarium.  I also agree that the closing of
      the planetarium at Science City is either a done deal or close to it,
      but we have some experience in the area of community service and
      education in the field of astronomy and even other areas and that has
      a great deal of value.
      >
      > I think what Mr. Eilert is looking for are ideas and suggestions
      about the future of a planetarium in the Kansas City area, what the
      equipment at the planetarium is capable of doing and alternatives to
      what Turner White has already decided.  I am not a planetarium expert
      but Mr. Eilert is not an astronomy OR planetarium expert either.  He
      is not happy with what is happening at Science City and is looking
      for experienced input and advice.  Also, as a member of the bi-state
      tax committee, he DOES have an influence on how Science City gets
      money from the Kansas side and money talks louder than letters on the
      opinion page.
      >
      > By meeting with Mr. Eilert we are being given an opportunity to do
      more than just write letters.  Granted it may all come to naught, but
      his influence on the Science City purse strings, his position as
      mayor of Overland Park and what other connections he has, could have
      some unforeseen possibilities.
      >
      > Rick Henderson
      >   ----- Original Message -----
      >   From: glaze_m
      >   To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
      >   Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 10:53 PM
      >   Subject: [ASKC] Re: Today's KC STar - "As I See It" - B6
      >
      >
      >   Well done, Rick!!  It sounds like you have spurred some good
      interest
      >   in this topic.
      >
      >   What next?  Well, the ASKC Board met tonight and unfortunately
      came
      >   to the conclusion that the ASKC is not able to handle the
      >   administration of a planetarium.  The board feels that there is
      no
      >   possibility of persuading Union Station to keep the facility.
      The
      >   best the ASKC can do is "write letters" to encourage someone to
      >   support it at different location, and "maybe give some volunteer
      >   time".  What is needed is a person or group that has the ability
      to
      >   take on the administration of a project this type.  Some big
      issues
      >   are  equipment operation/maintenance, programming/promotion of
      the
      >   facility, and of course, on-going funding.  Tim Kristl mentioned
      that
      >   acquiring a building for such a purpose would be "workable", and
      not
      >   out of the question.  We have a lot of members who are enraged,
      but
      >   someone has to step up and say that they can make a go at this
      kind
      >   of project.
      >
      >   Perhaps with the support of some key people like Mr. Eilert, some
      new
      >   avenues for the ASKC to actively contribute to this highly
      worthwhile
      >   cause will become apparent.
      >
      >   Please continue your efforts, as yours and the voices of people
      like
      >   you are the best chance this city has for sustaining a
      planetarium.
      >
      >   You mention that you are not a board member or keyholder.  You DO
      >   have a voice in the ASKC and are welcome to come to board
      meetings
      >   and be heard.
      >
      >   Mitch Glaze
      >
      >
      >   --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Henderson" <rhenderson1@k...>
      >   wrote:
      >   > Well, the plot thickens...
      >   >
      >   > I just received a phone call from Ed Eilert (hope I spelled
      that
      >   correctly) the mayor of Overland Park and one of the bi-state tax
      >   commission members.  He read my letter and told me that the
      Kansas
      >   mayors have not been very pleased with how the money is being
      spent
      >   at Union Station and he was concerned about closing the
      planetarium
      >   in exchange for essentially a new door.  His main reason for
      calling
      >   was that he would like to meet with members of the ASKC that
      could
      >   provide him with information and suggestions about what could be
      done
      >   to improve the programming and attendance of the Gottleib Dome
      >   Theater and Planetarium.
      >   >
      >   > Although I am not a planetarium expert (I'm not even an ASKC
      board
      >   member or keyholder) I am very interested in following through on
      >   this.  From the letters that have been posted on this newsletter
      >   group, I know we can find a small group of people who could meet
      >   constructively with Mr. Eilert and give some positive input on
      how
      >   the planetarium could be put to better use.
      >   >
      >   > One of my co-workers at DeVry stopped me today and said he had
      read
      >   my letter.  He said he and his family had visited Science City
      this
      >   last summer, but until he read my letter, he hadn't even realized
      >   there WAS a planetarium at Science City.  I think his remark
      pretty
      >   well sums up the problem.
      >   >
      >   > The bi-state commission meets on a quarterly basis and Mr.
      Eilert
      >   would like to meet in the next few weeks, I think he said by mid
      to
      >   end of February.  I think this type of discussion goes beyond
      email
      >   newsletters, so what should we do next?
      >   >
      >   > Rick Henderson
      >   >   ----- Original Message -----
      >   >   From: Beucher, Jackie
      >   >   To: 'askc@yahoogroups.com'
      >   >   Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 12:18 PM
      >   >   Subject: [ASKC] Today's KC STar - "As I See It" - B6
      >   >
      >   >
      >   >   Hey, everyone!  Rick Henderson's column is in today's paper
      on the
      >   >   planetarium!
      >   >
      >   >   Well done, Rick.
      >   >
      >   >           Jackie Beucher
      >   >   EMJ - Kansas City - Sales
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Calling it the Gottleib Dome Theater instead of a planetarium and then not advertising it's shows or even where it was in science city (I like the lower case trend) was telling of the attitude.

Rick Henderson
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: David Young 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 9:16 PM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] NEWS Info


  It's also scary how many people don't know there was a planetarium at science city. (lower case intentional)
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Joseph Wright 
    To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
    Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 8:00 PM
    Subject: Re: [ASKC] NEWS Info


    It is scary to see how many young people really don't know we went to the moon.  I usually try to ask young groups
    and blank faces I get is sad.

    Joe

    Jen Winter - ICSTARS Astronomy wrote:

    > Here is the AP story on the topic:
    >
    > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=544&ncid=693&e=1&u=%2Fap%2F20040109%2Fap_on_go_pr_wh%2Fbush_space
    >
    > Regarding grumblings over missile technology for wartime and peacetime,
    > remember that Von Braun, the father of modern rocketry, developed much of
    > his technology in wartime Europe.  It's legwork that's part of the job, and
    > pays the bills.  If a bomb blows up on the launchpad, nobody cries except
    > the budget officer and the scapegoat who loses his job.  If a fire on the
    > launch pad kills Apollo 1 crewmen, a nation mourns.
    >
    > Also if all of us think back to moments in our early years to what touched
    > our minds and inspired us to look to the sky... most of us have a memory of
    > something from the space program... from sputnik to moon landings, we were
    > ALL inspired.
    > It's going to be hard to wait the 20 years to meet the children who
    > witnessed the success of the Mars Spirit mission when they grow up and lead
    > inspired lives of study, invention and exploration of the
    > Universe.  Inspiration is happening to another generation without us even
    > being aware!
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That would be last Thursday's paper in the Metro section.

Rick Henderson
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: D. Trentman 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 10:57 PM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] Re: Today's KC STar - "As I See It" - B6


  I have Sunday's KC Star  1-11-04 page B6 in my hand and I see nothing about
  the planetarium.  What paper / date are you referring to?

  D Trentman




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I only recall it being called the "City Dome".   Again, no one (even those
that worked there) knew it was a planetarium.

Jackie

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Henderson [mailto:rhenderson1@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 11:11 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] NEWS Info


Calling it the Gottleib Dome Theater instead of a planetarium and then not
advertising it's shows or even where it was in science city (I like the
lower case trend) was telling of the attitude.

Rick Henderson
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: David Young 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 9:16 PM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] NEWS Info


  It's also scary how many people don't know there was a planetarium at
science city. (lower case intentional)
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Joseph Wright 
    To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
    Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 8:00 PM
    Subject: Re: [ASKC] NEWS Info


    It is scary to see how many young people really don't know we went to
the moon.  I usually try to ask young groups
    and blank faces I get is sad.

    Joe

    Jen Winter - ICSTARS Astronomy wrote:

    > Here is the AP story on the topic:
    >
    >
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=544&ncid=693&e=1&u=%2Fap%2F2
0040109%2Fap_on_go_pr_wh%2Fbush_space
    >
    > Regarding grumblings over missile technology for wartime and
peacetime,
    > remember that Von Braun, the father of modern rocketry, developed much
of
    > his technology in wartime Europe.  It's legwork that's part of the
job, and
    > pays the bills.  If a bomb blows up on the launchpad, nobody cries
except
    > the budget officer and the scapegoat who loses his job.  If a fire on
the
    > launch pad kills Apollo 1 crewmen, a nation mourns.
    >
    > Also if all of us think back to moments in our early years to what
touched
    > our minds and inspired us to look to the sky... most of us have a
memory of
    > something from the space program... from sputnik to moon landings, we
were
    > ALL inspired.
    > It's going to be hard to wait the 20 years to meet the children who
    > witnessed the success of the Mars Spirit mission when they grow up and
lead
    > inspired lives of study, invention and exploration of the
    > Universe.  Inspiration is happening to another generation without us
even
    > being aware!
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    > Cool!
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  Is it really necessary for some of us to put ALL the correspondence 
  nah sometimes we just get lazy.

  I don't mind logging into the observatory. However if I use the AIC 

  If you use the AIC (asteroid imaging center), you are a keyholder and should already know what you need to do. The AIC is the building behind the dome that uses the 12". If you use the LCT (Louisburg community telescope) you do not need to be a keyholder. You do need to call before you try to use it since we routinely change the combination and the eyepieces may not be in the roll off roof observatory.

  Everyone however should be "on the same page" regarding this as well as 
  making sure keyholder and others  are asked about donations and charging for 
  people "who come off the street "especially the ones on Saturdays (this does not 
  relate to the people who have special events and charges at Powell for certain 
  nights). 

  Once again, we don't charge anyone. We ask all visitors for donations either by crassly soliciting one or indirectly by mentioning that the observatory is supported entirely by donations from visitors. If people don't want to or can't donate, we let them in anyway. Any keyholder opening the observatory will have been trained and will know what our policy is. There will always be people who mooch and don't donate. We let them in. They may not get the grand tour but they get in.

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I have never signed in unless it's my team (or weekly pair) on duty, and we
are the "responsible" keyholders/team for that night.   That was the rule, I
thought.   So,.... I have been down to Powell far more than that log book
shows.

jackie

-----Original Message-----
From: sc285 [mailto:webmaster@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 12:30 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Re: Signing In


--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Wright" <jswright@k...> wrote:
> Anytime that one of the three observatories is opened and used, you 
> need to sign in. 

So if a non-keyholder goes down to use the LCT, then there is a
logbook in the LCT? Or does he not sign in because he doesn't have
access to the main building??

Rob





 

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I will let you know, Mike!   :-)

-----Original Message-----
From: mikekansascity@... [mailto:mikekansascity@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 4:38 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Re: tied up before... "As I See It" - B6


In a message dated 1/11/2004 4:22:44 PM Central Standard Time, 
m31@... writes:

> tied up before...

I wanna sign up for that one   :)


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Bill Boyle and myself will have the 'scope for the evening for you, Eric...
I also have a supply of 3D glasses if you would want to use them for your
guests.   

Jackie

-----Original Message-----
From: KCStarguy@... [mailto:KCStarguy@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 4:40 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] sat 17th


I am all set to host a presentation and a group of 30 that will come into 
Powell from Kansas City area. They have the directions and will come by 7.
Most 
of them (mostly older crowd) have never been to the Observatory I believe 
Jackie has the helm for the telescope. I will do my presentation on Judiasm
and 
Astronomy (this will be the 3rd one). A couple I think have wheel chairs so
they 
won't be able to use the big telescope and the stairs . But that reminds me 
that they might be able to use the other scope.

I want to come out one night when it is clear to test out my laptop and the 
presentation before Saturday. I would appreciate if anyone who will be using

the observatory can let me know wed , thursday or friday whether they will
be at 
the observatory that night. 

I am putting together a website that people can use to see 3d photos by
using 
their 3d glasses with some of the websites currently available and hopefully

more to come with Spirit.

Thanks

Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), 
Olathe, KS. USA



 

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David -- I have already been in touch with Michael...and will talk with him
more this week.... Jackie

-----Original Message-----
From: David Hudgins [mailto:dhudgins@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 9:29 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Re: Today's KC STar - "As I See It" - B6


Hi Folks,

I just got back in town from vacation and see some of these messages about a
possible meeting with Mayor Eilert about the planetarium. I agree with many
others that it would be a shame to miss this opportunity to meet with him
and see what might reasonably be done.

But you can't go to a meeting like that without some specific ideas to give
him as ammunition.

I'd suggest that we talk to Michael Bakich first.... he might have some
specific ideas about possible courses of action. He is certainly much more
familiar with the overall problem than we are. Probably the sooner the
better.

He might barely remember me, but is there anyone (David, Jackie?)  that he
would know a lot better and be willing to talk to?

Dave H.



----- Original Message -----
From: "glaze_m" <mglaze@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 3:05 PM
Subject: [ASKC] Re: Today's KC STar - "As I See It" - B6


> Rick,
>
> I am very much in favor of continuing to explore options with people
> like Mr Eilert.  I would definitely attend any meeting on the topic,
> be it with Mr Eilert (or the like), or just those of us wishing to
> discuss this further.  As you say, it "could have some unforeseen
> possibilities."  That alone is enough reason for us to pursue this
> issue. As supporters of education in astronomy, I feel we have a
> civic duty to pursue this as far as reasonably possible.
>
> Mitch Glaze
>
>
> --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Henderson" <rhenderson1@k...>
> wrote:
> > Mitch and all,
> >
> > Would there be a possibility of having a short meeting either
> before of after the next general meeting to discuss the possibility
> of some of the ASKC members meeting with Mr. Eilert in the next few
> weeks to discuss all of this?  I agree with the conclusion that the
> ASKC board arrived at about not being able to handle the
> administration of the planetarium.  I also agree that the closing of
> the planetarium at Science City is either a done deal or close to it,
> but we have some experience in the area of community service and
> education in the field of astronomy and even other areas and that has
> a great deal of value.
> >
> > I think what Mr. Eilert is looking for are ideas and suggestions
> about the future of a planetarium in the Kansas City area, what the
> equipment at the planetarium is capable of doing and alternatives to
> what Turner White has already decided.  I am not a planetarium expert
> but Mr. Eilert is not an astronomy OR planetarium expert either.  He
> is not happy with what is happening at Science City and is looking
> for experienced input and advice.  Also, as a member of the bi-state
> tax committee, he DOES have an influence on how Science City gets
> money from the Kansas side and money talks louder than letters on the
> opinion page.
> >
> > By meeting with Mr. Eilert we are being given an opportunity to do
> more than just write letters.  Granted it may all come to naught, but
> his influence on the Science City purse strings, his position as
> mayor of Overland Park and what other connections he has, could have
> some unforeseen possibilities.
> >
> > Rick Henderson
> >   ----- Original Message -----
> >   From: glaze_m
> >   To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> >   Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 10:53 PM
> >   Subject: [ASKC] Re: Today's KC STar - "As I See It" - B6
> >
> >
> >   Well done, Rick!!  It sounds like you have spurred some good
> interest
> >   in this topic.
> >
> >   What next?  Well, the ASKC Board met tonight and unfortunately
> came
> >   to the conclusion that the ASKC is not able to handle the
> >   administration of a planetarium.  The board feels that there is
> no
> >   possibility of persuading Union Station to keep the facility.
> The
> >   best the ASKC can do is "write letters" to encourage someone to
> >   support it at different location, and "maybe give some volunteer
> >   time".  What is needed is a person or group that has the ability
> to
> >   take on the administration of a project this type.  Some big
> issues
> >   are  equipment operation/maintenance, programming/promotion of
> the
> >   facility, and of course, on-going funding.  Tim Kristl mentioned
> that
> >   acquiring a building for such a purpose would be "workable", and
> not
> >   out of the question.  We have a lot of members who are enraged,
> but
> >   someone has to step up and say that they can make a go at this
> kind
> >   of project.
> >
> >   Perhaps with the support of some key people like Mr. Eilert, some
> new
> >   avenues for the ASKC to actively contribute to this highly
> worthwhile
> >   cause will become apparent.
> >
> >   Please continue your efforts, as yours and the voices of people
> like
> >   you are the best chance this city has for sustaining a
> planetarium.
> >
> >   You mention that you are not a board member or keyholder.  You DO
> >   have a voice in the ASKC and are welcome to come to board
> meetings
> >   and be heard.
> >
> >   Mitch Glaze
> >
> >
> >   --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Henderson" <rhenderson1@k...>
> >   wrote:
> >   > Well, the plot thickens...
> >   >
> >   > I just received a phone call from Ed Eilert (hope I spelled
> that
> >   correctly) the mayor of Overland Park and one of the bi-state tax
> >   commission members.  He read my letter and told me that the
> Kansas
> >   mayors have not been very pleased with how the money is being
> spent
> >   at Union Station and he was concerned about closing the
> planetarium
> >   in exchange for essentially a new door.  His main reason for
> calling
> >   was that he would like to meet with members of the ASKC that
> could
> >   provide him with information and suggestions about what could be
> done
> >   to improve the programming and attendance of the Gottleib Dome
> >   Theater and Planetarium.
> >   >
> >   > Although I am not a planetarium expert (I'm not even an ASKC
> board
> >   member or keyholder) I am very interested in following through on
> >   this.  From the letters that have been posted on this newsletter
> >   group, I know we can find a small group of people who could meet
> >   constructively with Mr. Eilert and give some positive input on
> how
> >   the planetarium could be put to better use.
> >   >
> >   > One of my co-workers at DeVry stopped me today and said he had
> read
> >   my letter.  He said he and his family had visited Science City
> this
> >   last summer, but until he read my letter, he hadn't even realized
> >   there WAS a planetarium at Science City.  I think his remark
> pretty
> >   well sums up the problem.
> >   >
> >   > The bi-state commission meets on a quarterly basis and Mr.
> Eilert
> >   would like to meet in the next few weeks, I think he said by mid
> to
> >   end of February.  I think this type of discussion goes beyond
> email
> >   newsletters, so what should we do next?
> >   >
> >   > Rick Henderson
> >   >   ----- Original Message -----
> >   >   From: Beucher, Jackie
> >   >   To: 'askc@yahoogroups.com'
> >   >   Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 12:18 PM
> >   >   Subject: [ASKC] Today's KC STar - "As I See It" - B6
> >   >
> >   >
> >   >   Hey, everyone!  Rick Henderson's column is in today's paper
> on the
> >   >   planetarium!
> >   >
> >   >   Well done, Rick.
> >   >
> >   >           Jackie Beucher
> >   >   EMJ - Kansas City - Sales
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Shoot.  I want to attend any meetings about this I can, but will not 
be back in town in time for the GM on Saturday the 24th.  Count me in 
on any meetings that come up after that, though.

Mitch Glaze


--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, Jackie Beucher <m31@e...> wrote:
> I talked with Mr. Eilert for quite a while on Friday.   The Bi-State
> Commission meets again mid-February, and Mr. E. wants to sit down 
with some
> of us before that meeting.   I agreed to round up a few people for 
this
> meeting.
> 
> One thing became clear -- gutting and using the planetarium for a 
new
> entrance IS NOT A DONE DEAL!    In fact, Mr. E. thought the 
commissioners
> were really not aware that was what Turner White had in mind, when 
this
> "revamping" plans came up at the last meeting in October.
> 
> I'd like to hear from any of you that want to be in on this 
meeting.   (Ed
> Eilert is the Mayor of Overland Park, KS, just in case you didn't 
know
> that. )
> 
> Jackie
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: glaze_m [mailto:mglaze@e...]
>   Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 3:06 PM
>   To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: [ASKC] Re: Today's KC STar - "As I See It" - B6
> 
> 
>   Rick,
> 
>   I am very much in favor of continuing to explore options with 
people
>   like Mr Eilert.  I would definitely attend any meeting on the 
topic,
>   be it with Mr Eilert (or the like), or just those of us wishing to
>   discuss this further.  As you say, it "could have some unforeseen
>   possibilities."  That alone is enough reason for us to pursue this
>   issue. As supporters of education in astronomy, I feel we have a
>   civic duty to pursue this as far as reasonably possible.
> 
>   Mitch Glaze
> 
> 
>   --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Henderson" <rhenderson1@k...>
>   wrote:
>   > Mitch and all,
>   >
>   > Would there be a possibility of having a short meeting either
>   before of after the next general meeting to discuss the 
possibility
>   of some of the ASKC members meeting with Mr. Eilert in the next 
few
>   weeks to discuss all of this?  I agree with the conclusion that 
the
>   ASKC board arrived at about not being able to handle the
>   administration of the planetarium.  I also agree that the closing 
of
>   the planetarium at Science City is either a done deal or close to 
it,
>   but we have some experience in the area of community service and
>   education in the field of astronomy and even other areas and that 
has
>   a great deal of value.
>   >
>   > I think what Mr. Eilert is looking for are ideas and suggestions
>   about the future of a planetarium in the Kansas City area, what 
the
>   equipment at the planetarium is capable of doing and alternatives 
to
>   what Turner White has already decided.  I am not a planetarium 
expert
>   but Mr. Eilert is not an astronomy OR planetarium expert either.  
He
>   is not happy with what is happening at Science City and is looking
>   for experienced input and advice.  Also, as a member of the bi-
state
>   tax committee, he DOES have an influence on how Science City gets
>   money from the Kansas side and money talks louder than letters on 
the
>   opinion page.
>   >
>   > By meeting with Mr. Eilert we are being given an opportunity to 
do
>   more than just write letters.  Granted it may all come to naught, 
but
>   his influence on the Science City purse strings, his position as
>   mayor of Overland Park and what other connections he has, could 
have
>   some unforeseen possibilities.
>   >
>   > Rick Henderson
>   >   ----- Original Message -----
>   >   From: glaze_m
>   >   To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
>   >   Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 10:53 PM
>   >   Subject: [ASKC] Re: Today's KC STar - "As I See It" - B6
>   >
>   >
>   >   Well done, Rick!!  It sounds like you have spurred some good
>   interest
>   >   in this topic.
>   >
>   >   What next?  Well, the ASKC Board met tonight and unfortunately
>   came
>   >   to the conclusion that the ASKC is not able to handle the
>   >   administration of a planetarium.  The board feels that there 
is
>   no
>   >   possibility of persuading Union Station to keep the facility.
>   The
>   >   best the ASKC can do is "write letters" to encourage someone 
to
>   >   support it at different location, and "maybe give some 
volunteer
>   >   time".  What is needed is a person or group that has the 
ability
>   to
>   >   take on the administration of a project this type.  Some big
>   issues
>   >   are  equipment operation/maintenance, programming/promotion of
>   the
>   >   facility, and of course, on-going funding.  Tim Kristl 
mentioned
>   that
>   >   acquiring a building for such a purpose would be "workable", 
and
>   not
>   >   out of the question.  We have a lot of members who are 
enraged,
>   but
>   >   someone has to step up and say that they can make a go at this
>   kind
>   >   of project.
>   >
>   >   Perhaps with the support of some key people like Mr. Eilert, 
some
>   new
>   >   avenues for the ASKC to actively contribute to this highly
>   worthwhile
>   >   cause will become apparent.
>   >
>   >   Please continue your efforts, as yours and the voices of 
people
>   like
>   >   you are the best chance this city has for sustaining a
>   planetarium.
>   >
>   >   You mention that you are not a board member or keyholder.  
You DO
>   >   have a voice in the ASKC and are welcome to come to board
>   meetings
>   >   and be heard.
>   >
>   >   Mitch Glaze
>   >
>   >
>   >   --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Henderson" 
<rhenderson1@k...>
>   >   wrote:
>   >   > Well, the plot thickens...
>   >   >
>   >   > I just received a phone call from Ed Eilert (hope I spelled
>   that
>   >   correctly) the mayor of Overland Park and one of the bi-state 
tax
>   >   commission members.  He read my letter and told me that the
>   Kansas
>   >   mayors have not been very pleased with how the money is being
>   spent
>   >   at Union Station and he was concerned about closing the
>   planetarium
>   >   in exchange for essentially a new door.  His main reason for
>   calling
>   >   was that he would like to meet with members of the ASKC that
>   could
>   >   provide him with information and suggestions about what could 
be
>   done
>   >   to improve the programming and attendance of the Gottleib Dome
>   >   Theater and Planetarium.
>   >   >
>   >   > Although I am not a planetarium expert (I'm not even an ASKC
>   board
>   >   member or keyholder) I am very interested in following 
through on
>   >   this.  From the letters that have been posted on this 
newsletter
>   >   group, I know we can find a small group of people who could 
meet
>   >   constructively with Mr. Eilert and give some positive input on
>   how
>   >   the planetarium could be put to better use.
>   >   >
>   >   > One of my co-workers at DeVry stopped me today and said he 
had
>   read
>   >   my letter.  He said he and his family had visited Science City
>   this
>   >   last summer, but until he read my letter, he hadn't even 
realized
>   >   there WAS a planetarium at Science City.  I think his remark
>   pretty
>   >   well sums up the problem.
>   >   >
>   >   > The bi-state commission meets on a quarterly basis and Mr.
>   Eilert
>   >   would like to meet in the next few weeks, I think he said by 
mid
>   to
>   >   end of February.  I think this type of discussion goes beyond
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Hello,

I don't know whether many of you refer to the Clear Sky Clock info on the ASKC web page. �They give predictions for cloud cover, transparency, and seeing for the next couple of days.

The forecast for tonight, and especially for Tuesday, is good to excellent seeing. �The LAST time I noticed this good a prediction for seeing, about two weeks ago, David Young posted a message that that night Saturn was particularly spectacular, with details that even HE had never seen before.

Tuesday night'prediction, in particular, forecasts both good to excellent seeing AND transparency, a combination not seen too often.

I will be looking myself to see, and would be interested to hear from others if the Clear Sky Clock Predictions come true.

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I just looked at the same thing and it shows opaque and partly cloudy at
Powell up to 1:00am but good up here.

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-----Original Message-----
From: DembinskiD@... [mailto:DembinskiD@...]
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 6:09 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] "seeing" forcast for Mon - Tue

Hello,

I don't know whether many of you refer to the Clear Sky Clock info on the
ASKC web page.  They give predictions for cloud cover, transparency, and
seeing for the next couple of days.

The forecast for tonight, and especially for Tuesday, is good to excellent
seeing.  The LAST time I noticed this good a prediction for seeing, about
two weeks ago, David Young posted a message that that night Saturn was
particularly spectacular, with details that even HE had never seen before.

Tuesday night'prediction, in particular, forecasts both good to excellent
seeing AND transparency, a combination not seen too often.

I will be looking myself to see, and would be interested to hear from others
if the Clear Sky Clock Predictions come true.

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Did anyone ever find out if Rainy Day books is sponsoring a book signing with Ken?

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David,
Yes, Rainy Day will be there. By the way, his book, Magnificent Mars, is a
real knock out! Stunning images and great science.

Dave H.



----- Original Message -----
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To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 7:46 PM
Subject: [ASKC] Ken


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I'm sorry to report that I think I have contracted this virus. Have any of
you noticed the same simptoms?

Even the most advanced programs from Norton or McAfee cannot take care of
this one.

It appears to affect those who were born prior to 1950.

Symptoms:
1. Causes you to send the same e-mail twice.
2. Causes you to send a blank e-mail.
3. Causes you to send e-mail to the wrong person.
4. Causes you to send it back to the person who sent it to you.
5. Causes you to forget to attach the attachment.
6. Causes you to hit "SEND" before you've finished.
7. Causes you to hit "DELETE" instead of "SEND."
8. Causes you to hit "SEND" when you should "DELETE."

IT IS CALLED THE "C-NILE VIRUS."


Clear skies,

Gary Pittman
gary_rp@...

Gary, thanks for the heads-up. Yes, being a pre-1950 guy myself I had
notised many of the sane probvlems but am glad to laern they aren't rally my
fault. : ^ )

Dave H.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Pittman" <gary_rp@...>
To: "ASKC" <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 10:32 PM
Subject: [ASKC] Look out for new virus


> I'm sorry to report that I think I have contracted this virus. Have any of
> you noticed the same simptoms?
>
> Even the most advanced programs from Norton or McAfee cannot take care of
> this one.
>
> It appears to affect those who were born prior to 1950.
>
> Symptoms:
> 1. Causes you to send the same e-mail twice.
> 2. Causes you to send a blank e-mail.
> 3. Causes you to send e-mail to the wrong person.
> 4. Causes you to send it back to the person who sent it to you.
> 5. Causes you to forget to attach the attachment.
> 6. Causes you to hit "SEND" before you've finished.
> 7. Causes you to hit "DELETE" instead of "SEND."
> 8. Causes you to hit "SEND" when you should "DELETE."
>
> IT IS CALLED THE "C-NILE VIRUS."
>
>
> Clear skies,
>
> Gary Pittman
> gary_rp@...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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What problems?  Whose fault?

Dick H.
Another old geezer (1951)


-----Original Message-----
From: David Hudgins [mailto:dhudgins@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 7:27 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Look out for new virus


Gary, thanks for the heads-up. Yes, being a pre-1950 guy myself I had
notised many of the sane probvlems but am glad to laern they aren't rally my
fault. : ^ )

Dave H.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Pittman" <gary_rp@...>
To: "ASKC" <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 10:32 PM
Subject: [ASKC] Look out for new virus


> I'm sorry to report that I think I have contracted this virus. Have any of
> you noticed the same simptoms?
>
> Even the most advanced programs from Norton or McAfee cannot take care of
> this one.
>
> It appears to affect those who were born prior to 1950.
>
> Symptoms:
> 1. Causes you to send the same e-mail twice.
> 2. Causes you to send a blank e-mail.
> 3. Causes you to send e-mail to the wrong person.
> 4. Causes you to send it back to the person who sent it to you.
> 5. Causes you to forget to attach the attachment.
> 6. Causes you to hit "SEND" before you've finished.
> 7. Causes you to hit "DELETE" instead of "SEND."
> 8. Causes you to hit "SEND" when you should "DELETE."
>
> IT IS CALLED THE "C-NILE VIRUS."
>
>
> Clear skies,
>
> Gary Pittman
> gary_rp@...

Ah, you kids!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Dick Harshaw 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 7:30 AM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] Look out for new virus


  What problems?  Whose fault?

  Dick H.
  Another old geezer (1951)


  -----Original Message-----
  From: David Hudgins [mailto:dhudgins@...]
  Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 7:27 AM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] Look out for new virus


  Gary, thanks for the heads-up. Yes, being a pre-1950 guy myself I had
  notised many of the sane probvlems but am glad to laern they aren't rally my
  fault. : ^ )

  Dave H.


  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Gary Pittman" <gary_rp@...>
  To: "ASKC" <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
  Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 10:32 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] Look out for new virus


  > I'm sorry to report that I think I have contracted this virus. Have any of
  > you noticed the same simptoms?
  >
  > Even the most advanced programs from Norton or McAfee cannot take care of
  > this one.
  >
  > It appears to affect those who were born prior to 1950.
  >
  > Symptoms:
  > 1. Causes you to send the same e-mail twice.
  > 2. Causes you to send a blank e-mail.
  > 3. Causes you to send e-mail to the wrong person.
  > 4. Causes you to send it back to the person who sent it to you.
  > 5. Causes you to forget to attach the attachment.
  > 6. Causes you to hit "SEND" before you've finished.
  > 7. Causes you to hit "DELETE" instead of "SEND."
  > 8. Causes you to hit "SEND" when you should "DELETE."
  >
  > IT IS CALLED THE "C-NILE VIRUS."
  >
  >
  > Clear skies,
  >
  > Gary Pittman
  > gary_rp@...









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A few weeks ago, several messages were posted about a possible 
workshop on processing images digitally. Was a date or sign-up 
process ever established for that workshop?

Rich Hathaway

Uh, I wanted to say something but I can't remember what it was about. 
Wonder what it was?  I can recall blackouts, now I am having them. 
What's an e-mail? Is it like a v-mail?  What's a v-mail?

George, 1940 (pre-war)

David Young wrote:
> 
> Ah, you kids!
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Dick Harshaw
>   To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 7:30 AM
>   Subject: RE: [ASKC] Look out for new virus
> 
>   What problems?  Whose fault?
> 
>   Dick H.
>   Another old geezer (1951)
> 
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: David Hudgins [mailto:dhudgins@...]
>   Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 7:27 AM
>   To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: Re: [ASKC] Look out for new virus
> 
>   Gary, thanks for the heads-up. Yes, being a pre-1950 guy myself I
> had
>   notised many of the sane probvlems but am glad to laern they aren't
> rally my
>   fault. : ^ )
> 
>   Dave H.
> 
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: "Gary Pittman" <gary_rp@...>
>   To: "ASKC" <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
>   Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 10:32 PM
>   Subject: [ASKC] Look out for new virus
> 
>   > I'm sorry to report that I think I have contracted this virus.
> Have any of
>   > you noticed the same simptoms?
>   >
>   > Even the most advanced programs from Norton or McAfee cannot take
> care of
>   > this one.
>   >
>   > It appears to affect those who were born prior to 1950.
>   >
>   > Symptoms:
>   > 1. Causes you to send the same e-mail twice.
>   > 2. Causes you to send a blank e-mail.
>   > 3. Causes you to send e-mail to the wrong person.
>   > 4. Causes you to send it back to the person who sent it to you.
>   > 5. Causes you to forget to attach the attachment.
>   > 6. Causes you to hit "SEND" before you've finished.
>   > 7. Causes you to hit "DELETE" instead of "SEND."
>   > 8. Causes you to hit "SEND" when you should "DELETE."
>   >
>   > IT IS CALLED THE "C-NILE VIRUS."
>   >
>   >
>   > Clear skies,
>   >
>   > Gary Pittman
>   > gary_rp@...
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The digital image processing workshop will be held at Powell Observatory on January 25 at 10:00 AM with a possible second session at 2:00 PM if desired/needed. 

I will provide one computer with Adobe Photoshop on it. My computer has a cd burner and I will bring a supply of cds so people can take home the messes we create. I will also bring my HP printer. I have a card reader for compact flash cards. 

People should bring images they want to work with but I will have a number of images with me.
Images can be astronomical in nature but the idea is to show people the basics so they can work on plain old snapshots.

I hope at least 3 other people will bring computers.

I'm thinking of teams of 3 people per computer so it can be a hands on experience.

Sign up starts now. I'll keep a list of people and post the updates list as it develops so everyone can see how many we have.

If you can bring a computer and have some expertise with image processing, WE NEED YOU!

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

David, I can come, but must make it the 2:00 pm slot as I have
responsibilities at my church that need my attention.  I can bring a laptop.
I tried loading my copy of Photoshop 5.5 on it this week, but for some
reason, it cannot read the install program from the CD.  It loads fine on my
desktop, so it must be a CD drive problem.  You can load the "light" version
on it for the workshop if you wish and we'll delete it after the training.

Dick Harshaw


-----Original Message-----
From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 11:32 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Digital image-processing workshop?


The digital image processing workshop will be held at Powell Observatory on
January 25 at 10:00 AM with a possible second session at 2:00 PM if
desired/needed.

I will provide one computer with Adobe Photoshop on it. My computer has a cd
burner and I will bring a supply of cds so people can take home the messes
we create. I will also bring my HP printer. I have a card reader for compact
flash cards.

People should bring images they want to work with but I will have a number
of images with me.
Images can be astronomical in nature but the idea is to show people the
basics so they can work on plain old snapshots.

I hope at least 3 other people will bring computers.

I'm thinking of teams of 3 people per computer so it can be a hands on
experience.

Sign up starts now. I'll keep a list of people and post the updates list as
it develops so everyone can see how many we have.

If you can bring a computer and have some expertise with image processing,
WE NEED YOU!

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--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, s.kranz1@c... wrote:
> I also have copies in the Observing Program box that I bring to 
every meeting if you want a paper copy.
> 
> -scott

........ in addition.  I also have a dozen copies of all the 
observing programs in a folder in my astro-trailer.

-Scott

As JoDee and I will be in town for the meeting, count me in for the
workshop.  A great idea! The early class would be preferred as we like
to get home before dark.  Getting too old to drive after dark, you
know.  Whitetail don't make good hood ornaments.

George

Jessica and I will be there

Shelley

 

-----Original Message-----
From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 11:32 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Digital image-processing workshop?

 

The digital image processing workshop will be held at Powell Observatory
on January 25 at 10:00 AM with a possible second session at 2:00 PM if
desired/needed. 

I will provide one computer with Adobe Photoshop on it. My computer has
a cd burner and I will bring a supply of cds so people can take home the
messes we create. I will also bring my HP printer. I have a card reader
for compact flash cards. 

People should bring images they want to work with but I will have a
number of images with me.
Images can be astronomical in nature but the idea is to show people the
basics so they can work on plain old snapshots.

I hope at least 3 other people will bring computers.

I'm thinking of teams of 3 people per computer so it can be a hands on
experience.

Sign up starts now. I'll keep a list of people and post the updates list
as it develops so everyone can see how many we have.

If you can bring a computer and have some expertise with image
processing, WE NEED YOU!

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Looks like no other takers for Powell so I'll stay home tonight.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I'd like to sign up for the 10am class.

Unfortunately, I don't have a laptop I can contribute to the class.

Many thanks for organizing this, David.

Rich Hathaway


--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "David Young" <dyoung8@k...> wrote:
> The digital image processing workshop will be held at Powell 
Observatory on January 25 at 10:00 AM with a possible second session 
at 2:00 PM if desired/needed. 

Here there be handbooks.

I'll have them at the GM unless I have a brain cramp.

You can pick them up at my house if you just can't stand the wait.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Dick Harshaw" <dwharshaw@k...> wrote:
> What problems?  Whose fault?
> Dick H.
> Another old geezer (1951)

Phewww!
em saw ti thguoht tsuj I...
94 ni nrob saw I tluaf ton....

boR

Jackie and Bill
Thanks. I hope it is clear for this crowd. I will show them my Judiasm and 
Astronomy presentation which they have asked specifically for. I usually do it 
once. If you want to show your 3d stuff after my presentation and while people 
use the scopes that would be great. I have a few 3d glasses and actually 
started to put together some 3d websites that we can see on a computer monitor from 
Mars and some other websites. 
Thanks very much. I will be looking to see how the weather will be going come 
friday and saturday.

Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), 
Olathe, KS. USA
In a message dated 1/13/04 1:10:27 AM, ASKC@yahoogroups.com writes:

<< Message: 5

   Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 05:22:26 -0800

   From: "Beucher, Jackie" <JBeucher@...>

Subject: RE: sat 17th


Bill Boyle and myself will have the 'scope for the evening for you, Eric...

I also have a supply of 3D glasses if you would want to use them for your

guests.   


Jackie

 >>

yeah - still waitin on that single, rich, <5'10" date


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I'll be there for the 10AM workshop.  I can bring my laptop.

Thanks David,

rett




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Young" <dyoung8@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Digital image-processing workshop?


> The digital image processing workshop will be held at Powell Observatory
on January 25 at 10:00 AM with a possible second session at 2:00 PM if
desired/needed.

David,

I will attend the 10AM meeting and can bring a laptop with Photoshop
Elements 2.0.

Dave Brockway


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Young" <dyoung8@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Digital image-processing workshop?


> The digital image processing workshop will be held at Powell Observatory
on January 25 at 10:00 AM with a possible second session at 2:00 PM if
desired/needed.
>
> I will provide one computer with Adobe Photoshop on it. My computer has a
cd burner and I will bring a supply of cds so people can take home the
messes we create. I will also bring my HP printer. I have a card reader for
compact flash cards.
>
> People should bring images they want to work with but I will have a number
of images with me.
> Images can be astronomical in nature but the idea is to show people the
basics so they can work on plain old snapshots.
>
> I hope at least 3 other people will bring computers.
>
> I'm thinking of teams of 3 people per computer so it can be a hands on
experience.
>
> Sign up starts now. I'll keep a list of people and post the updates list
as it develops so everyone can see how many we have.
>
> If you can bring a computer and have some expertise with image processing,
WE NEED YOU!
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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David,

I would like to attend the 10:00 session if possible. I can bring my laptop
which has Photoshop 7.0. It's a 1.5 Gig computer but still pretty slow with
Photoshop. As far as expertise is concerned, you'll have to find someone to
punch the keys. (that's why I want to attend the workshop, to learn some
expertise) <G> I can probably stay for the 2:00 session if need be. Might
pick up a little more info.

Gary
  -----Original Message-----
  From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
  Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 11:32 AM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] Digital image-processing workshop?


  The digital image processing workshop will be held at Powell Observatory
on January 25 at 10:00 AM with a possible second session at 2:00 PM if
desired/needed.

  I will provide one computer with Adobe Photoshop on it. My computer has a
cd burner and I will bring a supply of cds so people can take home the
messes we create. I will also bring my HP printer. I have a card reader for
compact flash cards.

  People should bring images they want to work with but I will have a number
of images with me.
  Images can be astronomical in nature but the idea is to show people the
basics so they can work on plain old snapshots.

  I hope at least 3 other people will bring computers.

  I'm thinking of teams of 3 people per computer so it can be a hands on
experience.

  Sign up starts now. I'll keep a list of people and post the updates list
as it develops so everyone can see how many we have.

  If you can bring a computer and have some expertise with image processing,
WE NEED YOU!

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Mon night I looked at Saturn and M42 before asteroiding....

Pretty good seeing, but I wouldn't say it was excellent.  
Transparancy was fair to poor at the time, though, with the cirrus 
clouds streaking about.

Mitch Glaze


--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, DembinskiD@n... wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I don't know whether many of you refer to the Clear Sky Clock info 
on the ASKC web page.  They give predictions for cloud cover, 
transparency, and seeing for the next couple of days.
> 
> The forecast for tonight, and especially for Tuesday, is good to 
excellent seeing.  The LAST time I noticed this good a prediction for 
seeing, about two weeks ago, David Young posted a message that that 
night Saturn was particularly spectacular, with details that even HE 
had never seen before.
> 
> Tuesday night'prediction, in particular, forecasts both good to 
excellent seeing AND transparency, a combination not seen too often.
> 
> I will be looking myself to see, and would be interested to hear 
from others if the Clear Sky Clock Predictions come true.
> 
> -Dave Dembinski
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David, 
I would like to be there. I have photoshop and a laptop. If my wife
lets me, I would like to stay and help with both
Lindin Scott
--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "David Young" <dyoung8@k...> wrote:
> The digital image processing workshop will be held at Powell
Observatory on January 25 at 10:00 AM with a possible second session
at 2:00 PM if desired/needed. 
> 
> I will provide one computer with Adobe Photoshop on it. My computer
has a cd burner and I will bring a supply of cds so people can take
home the messes we create. I will also bring my HP printer. I have a
card reader for compact flash cards. 
> 
> People should bring images they want to work with but I will have a
number of images with me.
> Images can be astronomical in nature but the idea is to show people
the basics so they can work on plain old snapshots.
> 
> I hope at least 3 other people will bring computers.
> 
> I'm thinking of teams of 3 people per computer so it can be a hands
on experience.
> 
> Sign up starts now. I'll keep a list of people and post the updates
list as it develops so everyone can see how many we have.
> 
> If you can bring a computer and have some expertise with image
processing, WE NEED YOU!
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Gary,
Good one!  We sure enjoyed getting together with you and Linda Sunday.

Carroll

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Pittman" <gary_rp@...>
To: "ASKC" <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 22:32
Subject: [ASKC] Look out for new virus


> I'm sorry to report that I think I have contracted this virus. Have any of
> you noticed the same simptoms?
>
> Even the most advanced programs from Norton or McAfee cannot take care of
> this one.
>
> It appears to affect those who were born prior to 1950.
>
> Symptoms:
> 1. Causes you to send the same e-mail twice.
> 2. Causes you to send a blank e-mail.
> 3. Causes you to send e-mail to the wrong person.
> 4. Causes you to send it back to the person who sent it to you.
> 5. Causes you to forget to attach the attachment.
> 6. Causes you to hit "SEND" before you've finished.
> 7. Causes you to hit "DELETE" instead of "SEND."
> 8. Causes you to hit "SEND" when you should "DELETE."
>
> IT IS CALLED THE "C-NILE VIRUS."
>
>
> Clear skies,
>
> Gary Pittman
> gary_rp@...
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David,
Put me down for the 10:00 a.m. session.  Who knows-- this might motivate me
to finally get a digital camera.

Carroll Iorg
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Pittman" <gary_rp@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 21:15
Subject: RE: [ASKC] Digital image-processing workshop?


> David,
>
> I would like to attend the 10:00 session if possible. I can bring my
laptop
> which has Photoshop 7.0. It's a 1.5 Gig computer but still pretty slow
with
> Photoshop. As far as expertise is concerned, you'll have to find someone
to
> punch the keys. (that's why I want to attend the workshop, to learn some
> expertise) <G> I can probably stay for the 2:00 session if need be. Might
> pick up a little more info.
>
> Gary
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
>   Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 11:32 AM
>   To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: Re: [ASKC] Digital image-processing workshop?
>
>
>   The digital image processing workshop will be held at Powell Observatory
> on January 25 at 10:00 AM with a possible second session at 2:00 PM if
> desired/needed.
>
>   I will provide one computer with Adobe Photoshop on it. My computer has
a
> cd burner and I will bring a supply of cds so people can take home the
> messes we create. I will also bring my HP printer. I have a card reader
for
> compact flash cards.
>
>   People should bring images they want to work with but I will have a
number
> of images with me.
>   Images can be astronomical in nature but the idea is to show people the
> basics so they can work on plain old snapshots.
>
>   I hope at least 3 other people will bring computers.
>
>   I'm thinking of teams of 3 people per computer so it can be a hands on
> experience.
>
>   Sign up starts now. I'll keep a list of people and post the updates list
> as it develops so everyone can see how many we have.
>
>   If you can bring a computer and have some expertise with image processin
g,
> WE NEED YOU!
>
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I should be able to help out that day.  I have a laptop with Photoshop 7.
 
-- James Pageau

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From: lindin533 [mailto:lindin.scott@...] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 9:54 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Re: Digital image-processing workshop?


David, 
I would like to be there. I have photoshop and a laptop. If my wife
lets me, I would like to stay and help with both
Lindin Scott
--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "David Young" <dyoung8@k...> wrote:
> The digital image processing workshop will be held at Powell
Observatory on January 25 at 10:00 AM with a possible second session
at 2:00 PM if desired/needed. 
> 
> I will provide one computer with Adobe Photoshop on it. My computer
has a cd burner and I will bring a supply of cds so people can take
home the messes we create. I will also bring my HP printer. I have a
card reader for compact flash cards. 
> 
> People should bring images they want to work with but I will have a
number of images with me.
> Images can be astronomical in nature but the idea is to show people
the basics so they can work on plain old snapshots.
> 
> I hope at least 3 other people will bring computers.
> 
> I'm thinking of teams of 3 people per computer so it can be a hands
on experience.
> 
> Sign up starts now. I'll keep a list of people and post the updates
list as it develops so everyone can see how many we have.
> 
> If you can bring a computer and have some expertise with image
processing, WE NEED YOU!
> 
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I mailed my check to you yesterday or the day before, David.

Jackie

-----Original Message-----
From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 6:26 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] books


Here there be handbooks.

I'll have them at the GM unless I have a brain cramp.

You can pick them up at my house if you just can't stand the wait.

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LOL Jessie sent this to me this morning. Its from some teen website she
goes to called Liquid Generation but I couldn't copy and past the whole
attachment she sent. Shelley

 

Dearest Martians, 

My name is Slippy Jenkins and I come in peace! 

As you probably already know, last Saturday a robot from my planet
(Earth!) landed on your planet (Mars!). A lot of us humans are proud of
this robot because it has front and rear dual side airbags. 

Since nobody else seems to be taking the initiative, I have appointed
myself Leader of the Human Race, and would like to outline some of the
plans I have for colonizing your great planet. And even though I can
barely decorate my own apartment, the vast red lands of Mars inspire me
to no end. 

First off, you need a Starbucks. Thousands of them. You can't expect
humans to explore Mars without waking up to a nice
half-frappe-double-mocha-chino-half-soy-half-skim latte! 

Second, you need a McDonalds. I live in a place called Chicago. Last
year it was named the second fattest city in America. Wouldn't it be
cool if Mars got named the "Second Fattest Planet in the Universe?" 

Third, you need a place where I can take a bubble bath. As the leader of
the human race, I demand a hot bath. I also demand that all the blue
candies be taken out of my M&Ms. 

Finally, you need a Britney Spears, Jennifer Lopez, Ben Affleck, Ashton
Kutcher, Demi Moore and Carrot Top. These people will be sent to your
planet ASAP. We don't want them anymore. 

Love, 

The Self Appointed Leader of the Human Race -- Slippy Jenkins
<mailto:slippy@...> 



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Forwarded from another group -- FYI!!!



If you know some young people who are excited by space (or happen to
like toys for yourself) you may want to visit a Hardees/Carl's Jr.
near you, the newest kid's premium is dedicated to NASA Exploration. 
carlscoolkids.com

This is happening nationwide.


There are four different toys: Mars rover, Cassini/Saturn, Return to
Flight Shuttle, and a "cool comet" mission toy. Each comes with a
trading card with educational information about the planet and/or the
mission. And the bag that the meal comes in contains puzzles and games
for kids. Finally, the website www.nasa.gov/forkids takes the public
to a site that hosts several activities designed for kids:  
http://www.nasa.gov/audience/forkids/

Scott Kardel
Palomar Observatory



 

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Duh, I caught the C-Nile virus big time.

The digital workshop will be held at the Astronomical League office not Powell !!

Sorry about the misfiring brain cells here.

Time is the same. 10:00 AM on Sunday, January 25 at the Astronimcal League office.

Directions and a map will be posted in the next week or so.


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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Anne Miller" <amiller@...>
To: <dyoung8@...>
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 3:59 PM
Subject: astronomy program


> ASKC President,
> I would like to request that you consider using the Mr. and Mrs. F. L.
> Schlagle Library as a site for Astronomy Day on April 24, 2004. It is an
> environmental library situated on the west side of Wyandotte County Lake
> Park overlooking the lake with a wide open space for sky viewing. I
> understand from one of your members, Paul Gardocki, that you hold events
> beginning in the day time and continue into the evening with use of
> telescopes. You could begin your event anytime after 1 p.m.(Sat.) until
> the park closes at midnight.
>
> We have dataprojection equipment, laptop computers(30)and personal
> computers for research by the public, speaker system, full kitchen for
> food preparation or catering, tables (15), chairs (60), and most
> anything else that you may need for programming. We will be happy to do
> advertising through our library, local media and newspapers to encourage
> a large turn out of the public. You may offer memberships and take
> donations.
>
> Please advise if this is possible.
>
> Anne Miller


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Know where I'd like to see an Astronomy Day effort? Where it would get some
REAL attention, including possibly the news media?

No, hear me out.....  in the big field beside the horse fountain on the
Plaaazaa! Yes!

Lots of people, a scenic shot for news media. I can see a half dozen scopes
out there looking at Jupiter and Saturn high in the sky, a cresent moon in
the west on that date...it would be great despite all the light pollution!
Maybe even a smaller scope set up on the sidewalk (a la San Francisco
Sidewalk Astronomers) somewhere else on the Plaza directing people to the
fountain area.

If we got permission from the Plaza people and notified the news media do
you think we might get a lot of public attention??

Dave H.




----- Original Message -----
From: "David Young" <dyoung8@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 4:06 PM
Subject: [ASKC] Astronomy Day food for thought


>
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> To: <dyoung8@...>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 3:59 PM
> Subject: astronomy program
>
>
> > ASKC President,
> > I would like to request that you consider using the Mr. and Mrs. F. L.
> > Schlagle Library as a site for Astronomy Day on April 24, 2004. It is an
> > environmental library situated on the west side of Wyandotte County Lake
> > Park overlooking the lake with a wide open space for sky viewing. I
> > understand from one of your members, Paul Gardocki, that you hold events
> > beginning in the day time and continue into the evening with use of
> > telescopes. You could begin your event anytime after 1 p.m.(Sat.) until
> > the park closes at midnight.
> >
> > We have dataprojection equipment, laptop computers(30)and personal
> > computers for research by the public, speaker system, full kitchen for
> > food preparation or catering, tables (15), chairs (60), and most
> > anything else that you may need for programming. We will be happy to do
> > advertising through our library, local media and newspapers to encourage
> > a large turn out of the public. You may offer memberships and take
> > donations.
> >
> > Please advise if this is possible.
> >
> > Anne Miller
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To say nothing of the approval of John Dobson...

I think you have a good idea here, David!  I think it is worth exploring for
sure.


Dick H


-----Original Message-----
From: David Hudgins [mailto:dhudgins@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 5:00 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Astronomy Day food for thought


Know where I'd like to see an Astronomy Day effort? Where it would get some
REAL attention, including possibly the news media?

No, hear me out.....  in the big field beside the horse fountain on the
Plaaazaa! Yes!

Lots of people, a scenic shot for news media. I can see a half dozen scopes
out there looking at Jupiter and Saturn high in the sky, a cresent moon in
the west on that date...it would be great despite all the light pollution!
Maybe even a smaller scope set up on the sidewalk (a la San Francisco
Sidewalk Astronomers) somewhere else on the Plaza directing people to the
fountain area.

If we got permission from the Plaza people and notified the news media do
you think we might get a lot of public attention??

Dave H.

David, I mailed a check to you today.

Thanks for doing this

Johnny
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Beucher, Jackie 
  To: 'ASKC@yahoogroups.com' 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 7:07 AM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] books


  I mailed my check to you yesterday or the day before, David.

  Jackie

  -----Original Message-----
  From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
  Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 6:26 PM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [ASKC] books


  Here there be handbooks.

  I'll have them at the GM unless I have a brain cramp.

  You can pick them up at my house if you just can't stand the wait.

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--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Dick Harshaw" <dwharshaw@k...> wrote:
> I think you have a good idea here, David!  I think it is worth
exploring for
> sure.

I agree. We need high traffic area, not some remote lodge of a lake in
a park that has little to no traffic. But something else to consider,
in the way of the fountain area...limited parking. That is somewhat of
a congested area traffic wise. Will a lot of people drive by and look,
try to find a place to park, and go on? 
Where ever we decide, we should keep this in mind.

Is Paul Gardoki a member of this club?? Not in the directory. Did he
rejoin recently?? Haven't seen him for at least 7 maybe 8 years.

Rob

David:  How about using a projector instead of several computers.  
I've got a feeling there will be more people than can be handled by 
several computers.  The folks teaching can take turns showing 
different techniques.

Just an idea.

Tom

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "David Young" <dyoung8@k...> wrote:
 
> The digital workshop will be held at the Astronomical League office 
not Powell !!
> 
> Time is the same. 10:00 AM on Sunday, January 25 at the Astronimcal 
League office.

Parking is no problem.  Every year, for the last 6 years, I've gone 
to the annual Kids Trolley Run to watch my grandkids run. It is held 
right there by the fountain.  Thousands of people at this event find 
parking in the Plaza.

Tom

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "sc285" <webmaster@l...> wrote:
> --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Dick Harshaw" <dwharshaw@k...> wrote:
> > I think you have a good idea here, David!  But something else to 
consider,
> in the way of the fountain area...limited parking. 

Happen to be on Gary Kronk's conet website, and there are two upcoming
comets, that might provide some additional public nights in April and
May, IF the appear to brighten as predicted. Let's not miss the
opportunity to promote these. We could have 1,000's again ! !     
Here are the notes on the two:

C/2002 T7 (LINEAR)* Perihelion: 2004 April 23 * Maximum magnitude 1-2
As 2003 came to a close, several predictions were offered as to how
bright the comet would become during May of 2004. The Central Bureau
for Astronomical Telegrams, which is the official clearing house for
comet information, listed the brightest magnitude as 0.3 during May
17-19, although this has not been updated in some time. Seiichi
Yoshida indicates the maximum brightness would reach magnitude 1,
although his own charts show that the comet has been running a little
brighter than the predictions since October.

C/2001 q4 (NEAT)* Perihelion: 2004 May 15 * Maximum magnitude about 1-2 
The comet should be at its brightest during the first half of May. The
Central Bureau for Astronomical Telegrams predicts a maximum magnitude
of 0.9, although their brightness parameters have not been updated in
many months. Several experienced amateur astronomers are keeping close
tabs on this comet. Andreas Kammerer (Germany) looked at all available
observations obtained up to the end of November 2003, and suggests the
comet's total magnitude may reach 2. Seiichi Yoshida (Japan) indicated
during the last days of 2003 that the maximum brightness might reach
2; however, he noted that observations during December showed the
comet already brighter than predicted and suggested a maximum
brightness of 1 during the early days of May 2004.

More information and pics can be found at:
http://cometography.com/current_comets.html
 

I plan on taking my projector from Powell and using it. It's low res but it should show the keystrokes well enough. I'll need to test the set up before hand just in case.  I think hands on makes things soak in so I'm hoping to also have a number of computers for people to do their own keystrokes.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 6:20 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] Re: Digital workshop


  David:  How about using a projector instead of several computers.  
  I've got a feeling there will be more people than can be handled by 
  several computers.  The folks teaching can take turns showing 
  different techniques.

  Just an idea.

  Tom

  --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "David Young" <dyoung8@k...> wrote:

  > The digital workshop will be held at the Astronomical League office 
  not Powell !!
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  > Time is the same. 10:00 AM on Sunday, January 25 at the Astronimcal 
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Count Larry and I in.  We are hoping to get in on the 10am class but don't
have a laptop.
  -----Original Message-----
  From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
  Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 4:04 PM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [ASKC] Digital workshop


  Duh, I caught the C-Nile virus big time.

  The digital workshop will be held at the Astronomical League office not
Powell !!

  Sorry about the misfiring brain cells here.

  Time is the same. 10:00 AM on Sunday, January 25 at the Astronimcal League
office.

  Directions and a map will be posted in the next week or so.


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While you're on the plaza theme, why not the mall of the Nelson-Atkins museum.  Lots more space and unobstructed view.

Rick Henderson
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: David Hudgins 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 4:59 PM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] Astronomy Day food for thought


  Know where I'd like to see an Astronomy Day effort? Where it would get some
  REAL attention, including possibly the news media?

  No, hear me out.....  in the big field beside the horse fountain on the
  Plaaazaa! Yes!

  Lots of people, a scenic shot for news media. I can see a half dozen scopes
  out there looking at Jupiter and Saturn high in the sky, a cresent moon in
  the west on that date...it would be great despite all the light pollution!
  Maybe even a smaller scope set up on the sidewalk (a la San Francisco
  Sidewalk Astronomers) somewhere else on the Plaza directing people to the
  fountain area.

  If we got permission from the Plaza people and notified the news media do
  you think we might get a lot of public attention??

  Dave H.




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  >
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  > > I would like to request that you consider using the Mr. and Mrs. F. L.
  > > Schlagle Library as a site for Astronomy Day on April 24, 2004. It is an
  > > environmental library situated on the west side of Wyandotte County Lake
  > > Park overlooking the lake with a wide open space for sky viewing. I
  > > understand from one of your members, Paul Gardocki, that you hold events
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What about the tennis courts?

Dick H.


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--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Dick Harshaw" <dwharshaw@k...> wrote:
> I think you have a good idea here, David!  I think it is worth
exploring for
> sure.

I agree. We need high traffic area, not some remote lodge of a lake in
a park that has little to no traffic. But something else to consider,
in the way of the fountain area...limited parking. That is somewhat of
a congested area traffic wise. Will a lot of people drive by and look,
try to find a place to park, and go on? 
Where ever we decide, we should keep this in mind.

Is Paul Gardoki a member of this club?? Not in the directory. Did he
rejoin recently?? Haven't seen him for at least 7 maybe 8 years.

Rob




 


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I saw Linear last night from my home in North KC, just off Barry Road.  It
was very bright, with a sharp nucleus (~30" diameter) and nice fan-shaped
tail.  I estimated it to be about 8.2 mag.  It's moving fast too, as I
viewed it 3 nights ago and it had moved several degrees from it's Sunday
position.

Dick H.


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Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 6:28 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] April May Comets


Happen to be on Gary Kronk's conet website, and there are two upcoming
comets, that might provide some additional public nights in April and
May, IF the appear to brighten as predicted. Let's not miss the
opportunity to promote these. We could have 1,000's again ! !
Here are the notes on the two:

C/2002 T7 (LINEAR)* Perihelion: 2004 April 23 * Maximum magnitude 1-2
As 2003 came to a close, several predictions were offered as to how
bright the comet would become during May of 2004. The Central Bureau
for Astronomical Telegrams, which is the official clearing house for
comet information, listed the brightest magnitude as 0.3 during May
17-19, although this has not been updated in some time. Seiichi
Yoshida indicates the maximum brightness would reach magnitude 1,
although his own charts show that the comet has been running a little
brighter than the predictions since October.

There should be enough to go around.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Larry Goode 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 6:58 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] RE: [ASK] Digital workshop


  Count Larry and I in.  We are hoping to get in on the 10am class but don't
  have a laptop.
    -----Original Message-----
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    Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 4:04 PM
    To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: [ASKC] Digital workshop


    Duh, I caught the C-Nile virus big time.

    The digital workshop will be held at the Astronomical League office not
  Powell !!

    Sorry about the misfiring brain cells here.

    Time is the same. 10:00 AM on Sunday, January 25 at the Astronimcal League
  office.

    Directions and a map will be posted in the next week or so.


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Dick,
If we want, I can inquire about whether the tennis courts are available.  
Sometimes the KC Explorers use them for their matches.  We sure wouldn't want to 
try to use them at the same time as Anna Kournova...... or would we??????  I 
bet Joe Wright would like to be there then.  And bet that telescope wouldn't be 
turned up!!!!!
Tim

In a message dated 1/14/04 7:36:21 PM Central Standard Time, 
dwharshaw@... writes:
What about the tennis courts?

Dick H.


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Someone else mentioned the lawn at Nelson.  Then again, someone else said
that parking near the horse fountain was really not a problem.  I threw the
tennis court idea up as an alternative.

What do you others think?

Dick H


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Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 9:52 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Re: Astronomy Day food for thought


Dick,
If we want, I can inquire about whether the tennis courts are available.
Sometimes the KC Explorers use them for their matches.  We sure wouldn't
want to
try to use them at the same time as Anna Kournova...... or would we??????  I
bet Joe Wright would like to be there then.  And bet that telescope wouldn't
be
turned up!!!!!
Tim

In a message dated 1/14/04 7:36:21 PM Central Standard Time,
dwharshaw@... writes:
What about the tennis courts?

Dick H.


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Them Plaza people is ME!!!!
Tim



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where I'd like to see an Astronomy Day effort? Where it would get some
REAL attention, including possibly the news media?

No, hear me out.....  in the big field beside the horse fountain on the
Plaaazaa! Yes!

Lots of people, a scenic shot for news media. I can see a half dozen scopes
out there looking at Jupiter and Saturn high in the sky, a cresent moon in
the west on that date...it would be great despite all the light pollution!
Maybe even a smaller scope set up on the sidewalk (a la San Francisco
Sidewalk Astronomers) somewhere else on the Plaza directing people to the
fountain area.

If we got permission from the Plaza people and notified the news media do
you think we might get a lot of public attention??

Dave H.




----- Original Message -----
From: "David Young" <dyoung8@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 4:06 PM
Subject: [ASKC] Astronomy Day food for thought


>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Anne Miller" <amiller@...>
> To: <dyoung8@...>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 3:59 PM
> Subject: astronomy program
>
>
> >


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David we can bring a projector. Don't ask me what kind it is but its
similar to the new one we are buying. Much smaller than the old one at
Powell. Shelley

 

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Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 6:39 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
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I plan on taking my projector from Powell and using it. It's low res but
it should show the keystrokes well enough. I'll need to test the set up
before hand just in case.  I think hands on makes things soak in so I'm
hoping to also have a number of computers for people to do their own
keystrokes.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 6:20 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] Re: Digital workshop


  David:  How about using a projector instead of several computers.  
  I've got a feeling there will be more people than can be handled by 
  several computers.  The folks teaching can take turns showing 
  different techniques.

  Just an idea.

  Tom

  --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "David Young" <dyoung8@k...> wrote:

  > The digital workshop will be held at the Astronomical League office 
  not Powell !!
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David
I will bring my macintosh and adobe photoshop 6 software. I can show how I 
can make color photos with the Imagej, public domain domaine software if you all 
want. 
I would also like to know what others can to do and questions that people 
have for the digital imaging workshop. Those who have questions can send me a 
listing and I will put them together if you all want.

Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), 
Olathe, KS. USA
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   Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 11:32:23 -0600

   From: "David Young" <dyoung8@...>

Subject: Re: Digital image-processing workshop?


The digital image processing workshop will be held at Powell Observatory on 
January 25 at 10:00 AM with a possible second session at 2:00 PM if 
desired/needed. 


I will provide one computer with Adobe Photoshop on it. My computer has a cd 
burner and I will bring a supply of cds so people can take home the messes we 
create. I will also bring my HP printer. I have a card reader for compact 
flash cards. 


People should bring images they want to work with but I will have a number of 
images with me.

Images can be astronomical in nature but the idea is to show people the 
basics so they can work on plain old snapshots.


I hope at least 3 other people will bring computers.


I'm thinking of teams of 3 people per computer so it can be a hands on 
experience.


Sign up starts now. I'll keep a list of people and post the updates list as 
it develops so everyone can see how many we have.


If you can bring a computer and have some expertise with image processing, WE 
NEED YOU!

 >>

We have held Astronomy Day at the Nichols Fountain (the big one with horses)
before... maybe twice.   Both times, it was a flop, but mainly due to the
weather being really rotten.  If the weather is good, that would be an
excellent spot!

Jackie

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Henderson [mailto:rhenderson1@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 7:21 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Astronomy Day food for thought


While you're on the plaza theme, why not the mall of the Nelson-Atkins
museum.  Lots more space and unobstructed view.

Rick Henderson
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: David Hudgins 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 4:59 PM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] Astronomy Day food for thought


  Know where I'd like to see an Astronomy Day effort? Where it would get
some
  REAL attention, including possibly the news media?

  No, hear me out.....  in the big field beside the horse fountain on the
  Plaaazaa! Yes!

  Lots of people, a scenic shot for news media. I can see a half dozen
scopes
  out there looking at Jupiter and Saturn high in the sky, a cresent moon in
  the west on that date...it would be great despite all the light pollution!
  Maybe even a smaller scope set up on the sidewalk (a la San Francisco
  Sidewalk Astronomers) somewhere else on the Plaza directing people to the
  fountain area.

  If we got permission from the Plaza people and notified the news media do
  you think we might get a lot of public attention??

  Dave H.




  ----- Original Message -----
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  To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
  Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 4:06 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] Astronomy Day food for thought


  >
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  > From: "Anne Miller" <amiller@...>
  > To: <dyoung8@...>
  > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 3:59 PM
  > Subject: astronomy program
  >
  >
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  > > I would like to request that you consider using the Mr. and Mrs. F. L.
  > > Schlagle Library as a site for Astronomy Day on April 24, 2004. It is
an
  > > environmental library situated on the west side of Wyandotte County
Lake
  > > Park overlooking the lake with a wide open space for sky viewing. I
  > > understand from one of your members, Paul Gardocki, that you hold
events
  > > beginning in the day time and continue into the evening with use of
  > > telescopes. You could begin your event anytime after 1 p.m.(Sat.)
until
  > > the park closes at midnight.
  > >
  > > We have dataprojection equipment, laptop computers(30)and personal
  > > computers for research by the public, speaker system, full kitchen for
  > > food preparation or catering, tables (15), chairs (60), and most
  > > anything else that you may need for programming. We will be happy to
do
  > > advertising through our library, local media and newspapers to
encourage
  > > a large turn out of the public. You may offer memberships and take
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  > >
  > > Please advise if this is possible.
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I have another idea!

What about a joint event together with the Royals?

They're playing that day here at home against Minnesota.  It could be a 
great audience builder for both organizations.  I'll see what I can stir 
up. Vic used to be out there all the time when he shot, and still keeps 
many friends... unless somebody in ASKC already is friends with Royals 
management.

jen

Hey, hey, hey!  We could focus on Leo (a Royal lion) and Gemini (the Twins,
far in the west).... he he he.

Dick H


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Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 8:15 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Astronomy Day ideas


I have another idea!

What about a joint event together with the Royals?

They're playing that day here at home against Minnesota.  It could be a
great audience builder for both organizations.  I'll see what I can stir
up. Vic used to be out there all the time when he shot, and still keeps
many friends... unless somebody in ASKC already is friends with Royals
management.

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I have just found our ASKC May speaker!

Dr. Richard W. Schmude, Jr.

Richard is executive director of ALPO (the Association of Lunar and 
Planetary Observers)
and is the Acting Assistant Coordinator, Photometry and Polarimetry on 
their Mars studies.
He is known nationally for his photometry and polarimetry planetary studies.
Richard also teaches astronomy at Gordon College and is also the 
Astronomical League's Secretary.
http://www.astroleague.org/al/general/contact.html

Richard will be talking on what new discoveries, observations and 
understanding the ALPO team derived from the recent opposition of Mars.


His talk will be May 22, 2004 as usual at Royall Hall, UMKC.


Clear Skies,
jen

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The January 31, 2004, deadline for the NYAA award submissions is soon 
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Yes, they should both be fairly nice and easily viewed from Powell.

NEAT will start showing up in the evening SW skies in early May.

LINEAR will join it later in the month.

By the end of May and into June, both will be nicely positioned in the western sky.

On June 1, LINEAR will be at magnitude 3.0 and NEAT will be at 3.2.  LINEAR will set around maidnight and NEAT around 3:30am.  After about June 10, NEAT will be circumpolar.

LINEAR will hang around till about mid-July when it disappears into the Sun's glare.  NEAT will head up close to Polaris and gradually fade away into the Fall.

Scott, I'll post this information in my telescope box, it should make this
spring and early summer something special!

But Maid night?  Now that's what my wife been asking for years now. Sorry
Scott (I had to say it)

D. Fox
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  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] April May Comets


  Yes, they should both be fairly nice and easily viewed from Powell.

  NEAT will start showing up in the evening SW skies in early May.

  LINEAR will join it later in the month.

  By the end of May and into June, both will be nicely positioned in the
western sky.

  On June 1, LINEAR will be at magnitude 3.0 and NEAT will be at 3.2.
LINEAR will set around maidnight and NEAT around 3:30am.  After about June
10, NEAT will be circumpolar.

  LINEAR will hang around till about mid-July when it disappears into the
Sun's glare.  NEAT will head up close to Polaris and gradually fade away
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Have you seen Mercury yet?  It looks pretty nice in the morning sky.  My daughters and I seen it this morning in the SE about 10 degrees above the horizon at about 6:50am.

Just find Antares high in the SSE and go about 20 degrees to its lower left.  It's the brightest thing in the area.

It's one of the best apparitions for the year to see Mercury.  The next good view of Mercury will be in late March in the evening sky.

Go out and take a look - it's worth a point towards the ASKC Astro-Quest.

I think NASA needs more 15 yr old boys working for them.

 

1.	Never roll off slow 10 feet and sit. You peel out, lay some
rubber, do a few doughnuts, race back and jump the launch ramp spinning
in the air several times before landing perfectly on all eight.
2.	After you get all the rovers landed you line them up for a
countdown. Ready, Set, GO!!!!!!!! May the best Mars team win.
3.	Sell it to Pay-Per- View. Take bets on the race and you never
have to worry about money again :-)

 

We have some wild dinner conversations don't we.  Shelley

 

OOPS! I almost forgot the hot babes in bikinis sunning themselves on the
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David
You might want to consider the library to use. There is a kitchen there too, several computers and lots of room. I have done workshops there and it is a real nice facility. There are also plenty of tables, outlets and more .

Dr.Eric

> From: "Anne Miller" <amiller@...>
> To: <dyoung8@...>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 3:59 PM
> Subject: astronomy program
> 
> 
> > ASKC President,
> > I would like to request that you consider using the Mr. and Mrs. F. L.
> > Schlagle Library as a site for Astronomy Day on April 24, 2004. It is an
> > environmental library situated on the west side of Wyandotte County Lake
> > Park overlooking the lake with a wide open space for sky viewing. I
> > understand from one of your members, Paul Gardocki, that you hold events
> > beginning in the day time and continue into the evening with use of
> > telescopes. You could begin your event anytime after 1 p.m.(Sat.) until
> > the park closes at midnight.
> >
> > We have dataprojection equipment, laptop computers(30)and personal
> > computers for research by the public, speaker system, full kitchen for
> > food preparation or catering, tables (15), chairs (60), and most
> > anything else that you may need for programming. We will be happy to do
> > advertising through our library, local media and newspapers to encourage
> > a large turn out of the public. You may offer memberships 
> and take
> > donations.
> >
> > Please advise if this is possible.
> >
> > Anne Miller

I've been tracking T7 for awhile and yes it is around  mag 8 so people can start looking for it with binoc and telescopes. We should start planning for extra comet nights on friday and/or sunday and do comet lectures should we not?
There were also several more comet identification and tracking sites with maps (Skyhound and Sieche from Japan as well as Kronk's).I have them and others posted on my comet award site (as well as photos) and they are also on the comet award handouts from Scott . 

Dr.Eric

> 
> Message: 11
>   Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 00:28:07 -0000
>   From: "sc285" <webmaster@...>
> Subject: April May Comets
> 
> Happen to be on Gary Kronk's conet website, and there are two upcoming
> comets, that might provide some additional public nights in April and
> May, IF the appear to brighten as predicted. Let's not miss the
> opportunity to promote these. We could have 1,000's again ! !     
> Here are the notes on the two:
> 
> C/2002 T7 (LINEAR)* Perihelion: 2004 April 23 * Maximum magnitude 1-2
> As 2003 came to a close, several predictions were offered as to how
> bright the comet would become during May of 2004. The Central Bureau
> for Astronomical Telegrams, which is the official clearing house for
> comet information, listed the brightest magnitude as 0.3 during May
> 17-19, although this has not been updated in some time. Seiichi
> Yoshida indicates the maximum brightness would reach magnitude 1,
> although his own charts show that the comet has been running a little
> brighter than the predictions since October.
> 
> C/2001 q4 (NEAT)* Perihelion: 2004 May 15 * Maximum magnitude about 1-2 
> The comet should be at its brightest during the first half of May. The
> Central Bureau for Astronomical Telegrams predicts a maximum magnitude
> of 0.9, although their brightness parameters have not been updated in
> many months. Several experienced amateur astronomers are keeping close
> tabs on this comet. Andreas Kammerer (Germany) looked at all available
> observations obtained up to the end of November 2003, and suggests the
> comet's total magnitude may reach 2. Seiichi Yoshida (Japan) indicated
> during the last days of 2003 that the maximum brightness might reach
> 2; however, he noted that observations during December showed the
> comet already brighter than predicted and suggested a 
> maximum
> brightness of 1 during the early days of May 2004.
> 
> More information and pics can be found at:
> http://cometography.com/current_comets.html

Message: 16
  Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 19:37:32 -0600
  From: "Dick Harshaw" <dwharshaw@...>
Subject: RE: April May Comets

I saw Linear last night from my home in North KC, just off Barry Road.  It
was very bright, with a sharp nucleus (~30" diameter) and nice fan-shaped
tail.  I estimated it to be about 8.2 mag.  It's moving fast too, as I
viewed it 3 nights ago and it had moved several degrees from it's Sunday
position.

Dick H.

Don't y'all usually have a Valentine banquet?

Am I jumping the gun?

I tried to search to see if it had been discussed on here but nothing 
came up.  

Perhaps I should preface this with, "If any help is needed in the 
preparations, please let me know whom to ask if I may be of any 
service"  

That would be Helen Robinson, and... I haven't heard anything either.
Give her a call!  913-422-1262...

Jackie

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To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Valentine banquet?


Don't y'all usually have a Valentine banquet?

Am I jumping the gun?

I tried to search to see if it had been discussed on here but nothing 
came up.  

Perhaps I should preface this with, "If any help is needed in the 
preparations, please let me know whom to ask if I may be of any 
service"  





 

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We have quite a while yet before we need to start advertising and setting up comet nights.  Although the comet looks great to you and me as amateur astronomers, the regular Joe on the street is gonna say "What that little smudge with a little fan tail?"

By May or June, hopefully they will get more HaleBopp-like.  What the public thinks a comet SHOULD look like.

-scott

PS:  I'll get an updated map on the ASKC yahoo "files" section tonight.

Jackie and Eric:
      I will not be at Powell Observatory Saturday
night instead I will be in Omaha attending a National
Electrical Code Seminar in order to renew my Nebraska
State Electrical license.              Bill
--- "Beucher, Jackie" <JBeucher@...> wrote:
> We have held Astronomy Day at the Nichols Fountain
> (the big one with horses)
> before... maybe twice.   Both times, it was a flop,
> but mainly due to the
> weather being really rotten.  If the weather is
> good, that would be an
> excellent spot!
> 
> Jackie
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rick Henderson [mailto:rhenderson1@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 7:21 PM
> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [ASKC] Astronomy Day food for thought
> 
> 
> While you're on the plaza theme, why not the mall of
> the Nelson-Atkins
> museum.  Lots more space and unobstructed view.
> 
> Rick Henderson
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: David Hudgins 
>   To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 4:59 PM
>   Subject: Re: [ASKC] Astronomy Day food for thought
> 
> 
>   Know where I'd like to see an Astronomy Day
> effort? Where it would get
> some
>   REAL attention, including possibly the news media?
> 
>   No, hear me out.....  in the big field beside the
> horse fountain on the
>   Plaaazaa! Yes!
> 
>   Lots of people, a scenic shot for news media. I
> can see a half dozen
> scopes
>   out there looking at Jupiter and Saturn high in
> the sky, a cresent moon in
>   the west on that date...it would be great despite
> all the light pollution!
>   Maybe even a smaller scope set up on the sidewalk
> (a la San Francisco
>   Sidewalk Astronomers) somewhere else on the Plaza
> directing people to the
>   fountain area.
> 
>   If we got permission from the Plaza people and
> notified the news media do
>   you think we might get a lot of public attention??
> 
>   Dave H.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: "David Young" <dyoung8@...>
>   To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
>   Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 4:06 PM
>   Subject: [ASKC] Astronomy Day food for thought
> 
> 
>   >
>   > ----- Original Message -----
>   > From: "Anne Miller" <amiller@...>
>   > To: <dyoung8@...>
>   > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 3:59 PM
>   > Subject: astronomy program
>   >
>   >
>   > > ASKC President,
>   > > I would like to request that you consider
> using the Mr. and Mrs. F. L.
>   > > Schlagle Library as a site for Astronomy Day
> on April 24, 2004. It is
> an
>   > > environmental library situated on the west
> side of Wyandotte County
> Lake
>   > > Park overlooking the lake with a wide open
> space for sky viewing. I
>   > > understand from one of your members, Paul
> Gardocki, that you hold
> events
>   > > beginning in the day time and continue into
> the evening with use of
>   > > telescopes. You could begin your event anytime
> after 1 p.m.(Sat.)
> until
>   > > the park closes at midnight.
>   > >
>   > > We have dataprojection equipment, laptop
> computers(30)and personal
>   > > computers for research by the public, speaker
> system, full kitchen for
>   > > food preparation or catering, tables (15),
> chairs (60), and most
>   > > anything else that you may need for
> programming. We will be happy to
> do
>   > > advertising through our library, local media
> and newspapers to
> encourage
>   > > a large turn out of the public. You may offer
> memberships and take
>   > > donations.
>   > >
>   > > Please advise if this is possible.
>   > >
>   > > Anne Miller
>   >
>   >
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I had breakfast today with John Fairfield, KCMo City councilman and 
discussed the Planetarium.  He was infuriated about Turner's response 
and their planning to do away with the planetarium.  He then saw 
Turner at lunch and told him that he better not do anything about 
that planetarium until he talked to him.  Turner called him this 
afternoon to schedule lunch.  He then called me and I have sent him 
the information (my letter, Turner's response, The star article, 
etc.).  John wants to relocate it near Science City or downtown and 
put it in a new building as an additional attraction.  He felt it 
would be a good add to the new entertainment district.  
I will advise after they have lunch.
The pot continues to boil!!!
Tim

Tim,

 This is great news! I'm so glad this is turning around. The planetarium
was my first contact with astronomy as a child. The thought that we may
not have one here for other children because of politics just infuriated
me. Let me know if there is anything I can do. Shelley

 

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Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 9:15 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Planetarium

 

I had breakfast today with John Fairfield, KCMo City councilman and 
discussed the Planetarium.  He was infuriated about Turner's response 
and their planning to do away with the planetarium.  He then saw 
Turner at lunch and told him that he better not do anything about 
that planetarium until he talked to him.  Turner called him this 
afternoon to schedule lunch.  He then called me and I have sent him 
the information (my letter, Turner's response, The star article, 
etc.).  John wants to relocate it near Science City or downtown and 
put it in a new building as an additional attraction.  He felt it 
would be a good add to the new entertainment district.  
I will advise after they have lunch.
The pot continues to boil!!!
Tim












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Turn up the flames baby! This may work out yet. Too bad John wants to relocate. It's in a building specifically built for this one propose. What do you think, More letters to the STAR?
Clear Skies,
Randy
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  From: tkristl100 
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  Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 9:14 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] Planetarium


  I had breakfast today with John Fairfield, KCMo City councilman and 
  discussed the Planetarium.  He was infuriated about Turner's response 
  and their planning to do away with the planetarium.  He then saw 
  Turner at lunch and told him that he better not do anything about 
  that planetarium until he talked to him.  Turner called him this 
  afternoon to schedule lunch.  He then called me and I have sent him 
  the information (my letter, Turner's response, The star article, 
  etc.).  John wants to relocate it near Science City or downtown and 
  put it in a new building as an additional attraction.  He felt it 
  would be a good add to the new entertainment district.  
  I will advise after they have lunch.
  The pot continues to boil!!!
  Tim








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I'm also encouraged by the news, but if I remember correctly from Jen's email, the Spitz starball is "dome-dimension-specific" which in my minds means more money for a new building built to starball specific requirements in order to work properly.  And then there's all the other video, audio, computer and cabling installation that would be required, and add testing and debugging hardware and software.  Yeesh!.  

Although a new building would be a better alternative than to what Science City has announced, it would be needlessly expensive.  An equipped building already exists, next door to a city landmark and (hopefully someday) at least a regionally renown science museum.  It is in the perfect place and to move it would cost money that could be better used elsewhere.  The move would also distance it from what should be a mutually attractive crowd drawing attraction, Science City itself.

From reading what others have written and just from what I know of the technical and cost perspective, I would hope that we could keep it right where it is and devote all the positive energy that has been generated into planetarium promotion, creative and technical program design and dome multimedia presentation.

And with the art district just across the tracks, this is the part of town where it is happening!  What have the burbs got to compare to this?  And this from someone who lives in the burbs.  There is, or at least could be, life after dark, not only just at Powell observatory, but in down/midtown as well.  For that matter, why doesn't Science City have a full-time, operational, public-accessible telescope going on?  Criminy, moon and planetary stuff is visible down there on a clear night and with a solar filter, the daytime is accessible as well.  How could anybody not get excited about astronomy by seeing the surface of the sun in writhing and shooting flames? 

Science City just doesn't understand the lure and attraction of astronomy.  It should be one of the easiest sciences to get people of all ages enthused about.

My inflated two cents worth.  Sorry to be so verbose.  This issue is near and dear.

Rick Henderson


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I've loaded 2 PDF's you might want to see.

The first shows the position of LINEAR 2002 T7 for the next 30 days.  
I found it for the first time tonight from urban Raymore with 
10x50's, so it is gradually brightening up.

The second shows the western sky mid-June.  If all goes well, it 
should be one heck of a show.

-scott

ah, another insomniac.
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  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
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  Subject: [ASKC] 2 PDF's


  I've loaded 2 PDF's you might want to see.

  The first shows the position of LINEAR 2002 T7 for the next 30 days.  
  I found it for the first time tonight from urban Raymore with 
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Maybe the problem is the "person" who may have another agenda and it doesn't
make any difference what anyone else wants.  It appears He has chosen to not
have it be in the limelight since it was opened and he has chosen not to
tell the many interested parties in advance of his plans until it is almost
too late to do anything about it.  By not promoting it, it was doomed from
the start.

From what I have read here and in the paper it looks to me that it was a
done deal a long time ago from this "persons" point of view and he is NOT
going to let it stay where it is.  Maybe the only way it could work would be
if he were not there blocking it and have someone with a more open mind
making the decisions and looking for a way to make it work.  It appears he
did not make the effort to make it work and he probably had his reasons.

I like the sound of what Tim and others are getting back from their
contacts.

My 2 cents worth.

D T




-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Henderson [mailto:rhenderson1@...]
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 12:35 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Planetarium

I'm also encouraged by the news, but if I remember correctly from Jen's
email, the Spitz starball is "dome-dimension-specific" which in my minds
means more money for a new building built to starball specific requirements
in order to work properly.  And then there's all the other video, audio,
computer and cabling installation that would be required, and add testing
and debugging hardware and software.  Yeesh!.

Although a new building would be a better alternative than to what Science
City has announced, it would be needlessly expensive.  An equipped building
already exists, next door to a city landmark and (hopefully someday) at
least a regionally renown science museum.  It is in the perfect place and to
move it would cost money that could be better used elsewhere.  The move
would also distance it from what should be a mutually attractive crowd
drawing attraction, Science City itself.

From reading what others have written and just from what I know of the
technical and cost perspective, I would hope that we could keep it right
where it is and devote all the positive energy that has been generated into
planetarium promotion, creative and technical program design and dome
multimedia presentation.

And with the art district just across the tracks, this is the part of town
where it is happening!  What have the burbs got to compare to this?  And
this from someone who lives in the burbs.  There is, or at least could be,
life after dark, not only just at Powell observatory, but in down/midtown as
well.  For that matter, why doesn't Science City have a full-time,
operational, public-accessible telescope going on?  Criminy, moon and
planetary stuff is visible down there on a clear night and with a solar
filter, the daytime is accessible as well.  How could anybody not get
excited about astronomy by seeing the surface of the sun in writhing and
shooting flames?

Science City just doesn't understand the lure and attraction of astronomy.
It should be one of the easiest sciences to get people of all ages enthused
about.

My inflated two cents worth.  Sorry to be so verbose.  This issue is near
and dear.

Rick Henderson


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Who did you get to take your place, Bill?  

Jackie

-----Original Message-----
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To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
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Jackie and Eric:
      I will not be at Powell Observatory Saturday
night instead I will be in Omaha attending a National
Electrical Code Seminar in order to renew my Nebraska
State Electrical license.              Bill
--- "Beucher, Jackie" <JBeucher@...> wrote:
> We have held Astronomy Day at the Nichols Fountain
> (the big one with horses)
> before... maybe twice.   Both times, it was a flop,
> but mainly due to the
> weather being really rotten.  If the weather is
> good, that would be an
> excellent spot!
> 
> Jackie
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rick Henderson [mailto:rhenderson1@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 7:21 PM
> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [ASKC] Astronomy Day food for thought
> 
> 
> While you're on the plaza theme, why not the mall of
> the Nelson-Atkins
> museum.  Lots more space and unobstructed view.
> 
> Rick Henderson
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: David Hudgins 
>   To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 4:59 PM
>   Subject: Re: [ASKC] Astronomy Day food for thought
> 
> 
>   Know where I'd like to see an Astronomy Day
> effort? Where it would get
> some
>   REAL attention, including possibly the news media?
> 
>   No, hear me out.....  in the big field beside the
> horse fountain on the
>   Plaaazaa! Yes!
> 
>   Lots of people, a scenic shot for news media. I
> can see a half dozen
> scopes
>   out there looking at Jupiter and Saturn high in
> the sky, a cresent moon in
>   the west on that date...it would be great despite
> all the light pollution!
>   Maybe even a smaller scope set up on the sidewalk
> (a la San Francisco
>   Sidewalk Astronomers) somewhere else on the Plaza
> directing people to the
>   fountain area.
> 
>   If we got permission from the Plaza people and
> notified the news media do
>   you think we might get a lot of public attention??
> 
>   Dave H.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: "David Young" <dyoung8@...>
>   To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
>   Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 4:06 PM
>   Subject: [ASKC] Astronomy Day food for thought
> 
> 
>   >
>   > ----- Original Message -----
>   > From: "Anne Miller" <amiller@...>
>   > To: <dyoung8@...>
>   > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 3:59 PM
>   > Subject: astronomy program
>   >
>   >
>   > > ASKC President,
>   > > I would like to request that you consider
> using the Mr. and Mrs. F. L.
>   > > Schlagle Library as a site for Astronomy Day
> on April 24, 2004. It is
> an
>   > > environmental library situated on the west
> side of Wyandotte County
> Lake
>   > > Park overlooking the lake with a wide open
> space for sky viewing. I
>   > > understand from one of your members, Paul
> Gardocki, that you hold
> events
>   > > beginning in the day time and continue into
> the evening with use of
>   > > telescopes. You could begin your event anytime
> after 1 p.m.(Sat.)
> until
>   > > the park closes at midnight.
>   > >
>   > > We have dataprojection equipment, laptop
> computers(30)and personal
>   > > computers for research by the public, speaker
> system, full kitchen for
>   > > food preparation or catering, tables (15),
> chairs (60), and most
>   > > anything else that you may need for
> programming. We will be happy to
> do
>   > > advertising through our library, local media
> and newspapers to
> encourage
>   > > a large turn out of the public. You may offer
> memberships and take
>   > > donations.
>   > >
>   > > Please advise if this is possible.
>   > >
>   > > Anne Miller
>   >
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Great news, Tim!!!   

Jackie

-----Original Message-----
From: tkristl100 [mailto:TKristl100@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 9:15 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Planetarium


I had breakfast today with John Fairfield, KCMo City councilman and 
discussed the Planetarium.  He was infuriated about Turner's response 
and their planning to do away with the planetarium.  He then saw 
Turner at lunch and told him that he better not do anything about 
that planetarium until he talked to him.  Turner called him this 
afternoon to schedule lunch.  He then called me and I have sent him 
the information (my letter, Turner's response, The star article, 
etc.).  John wants to relocate it near Science City or downtown and 
put it in a new building as an additional attraction.  He felt it 
would be a good add to the new entertainment district.  
I will advise after they have lunch.
The pot continues to boil!!!
Tim




 


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Don't ya just hate those out of town seminars. I have to go to not so Great Bend for 3 days next week. I'll be back in town Saturday evening for the meeting though.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: William Boyle 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 5:22 PM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] Astronomy Day food for thought


  Jackie and Eric:
        I will not be at Powell Observatory Saturday
  night instead I will be in Omaha attending a National
  Electrical Code Seminar in order to renew my Nebraska
  State Electrical license.              Bill
  --- "Beucher, Jackie" <JBeucher@...> wrote:
  > We have held Astronomy Day at the Nichols Fountain
  > (the big one with horses)
  > before... maybe twice.   Both times, it was a flop,
  > but mainly due to the
  > weather being really rotten.  If the weather is
  > good, that would be an
  > excellent spot!
  > 
  > Jackie
  > 
  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: Rick Henderson [mailto:rhenderson1@...]
  > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 7:21 PM
  > To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  > Subject: Re: [ASKC] Astronomy Day food for thought
  > 
  > 
  > While you're on the plaza theme, why not the mall of
  > the Nelson-Atkins
  > museum.  Lots more space and unobstructed view.
  > 
  > Rick Henderson
  >   ----- Original Message ----- 
  >   From: David Hudgins 
  >   To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  >   Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 4:59 PM
  >   Subject: Re: [ASKC] Astronomy Day food for thought
  > 
  > 
  >   Know where I'd like to see an Astronomy Day
  > effort? Where it would get
  > some
  >   REAL attention, including possibly the news media?
  > 
  >   No, hear me out.....  in the big field beside the
  > horse fountain on the
  >   Plaaazaa! Yes!
  > 
  >   Lots of people, a scenic shot for news media. I
  > can see a half dozen
  > scopes
  >   out there looking at Jupiter and Saturn high in
  > the sky, a cresent moon in
  >   the west on that date...it would be great despite
  > all the light pollution!
  >   Maybe even a smaller scope set up on the sidewalk
  > (a la San Francisco
  >   Sidewalk Astronomers) somewhere else on the Plaza
  > directing people to the
  >   fountain area.
  > 
  >   If we got permission from the Plaza people and
  > notified the news media do
  >   you think we might get a lot of public attention??
  > 
  >   Dave H.
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > 
  >   ----- Original Message -----
  >   From: "David Young" <dyoung8@...>
  >   To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
  >   Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 4:06 PM
  >   Subject: [ASKC] Astronomy Day food for thought
  > 
  > 
  >   >
  >   > ----- Original Message -----
  >   > From: "Anne Miller" <amiller@...>
  >   > To: <dyoung8@...>
  >   > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 3:59 PM
  >   > Subject: astronomy program
  >   >
  >   >
  >   > > ASKC President,
  >   > > I would like to request that you consider
  > using the Mr. and Mrs. F. L.
  >   > > Schlagle Library as a site for Astronomy Day
  > on April 24, 2004. It is
  > an
  >   > > environmental library situated on the west
  > side of Wyandotte County
  > Lake
  >   > > Park overlooking the lake with a wide open
  > space for sky viewing. I
  >   > > understand from one of your members, Paul
  > Gardocki, that you hold
  > events
  >   > > beginning in the day time and continue into
  > the evening with use of
  >   > > telescopes. You could begin your event anytime
  > after 1 p.m.(Sat.)
  > until
  >   > > the park closes at midnight.
  >   > >
  >   > > We have dataprojection equipment, laptop
  > computers(30)and personal
  >   > > computers for research by the public, speaker
  > system, full kitchen for
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  > chairs (60), and most
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  > programming. We will be happy to
  > do
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  > and newspapers to
  > encourage
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  > memberships and take
  >   > > donations.
  >   > >
  >   > > Please advise if this is possible.
  >   > >
  >   > > Anne Miller
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Just in case you were wondering, since I am retired, we won't have to
go anywhere, attend anything, be anywhere, do anything, talk to anyone,
and we will be at the meeting, unless we get a wild hare, and decide to
do something else.  ;-)
George
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

David Young wrote:
> 
> Don't ya just hate those out of town seminars. I have to go to not so
> Great Bend for 3 days next week. I'll be back in town Saturday
> evening for the meeting though.
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: William Boyle
>   To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 5:22 PM
>   Subject: RE: [ASKC] Astronomy Day food for thought
> 
>   Jackie and Eric:
>         I will not be at Powell Observatory Saturday
>   night instead I will be in Omaha attending a National
>   Electrical Code Seminar in order to renew my Nebraska
>   State Electrical license.              Bill
>

I agree with what Dick and Tim have been saying.  I do think it's silly for Science City to scrap the building and waste the original expense, but ultimately I am in favor of any plan that will provide us with a decent planetarium that is properly administered.

I am also very encouraged by the feedback from both the ASKC and the public.  I have received a handful of emails and phone calls regarding my letter, all VERY supportive.

Rick Henderson
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: D. Trentman 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 5:34 AM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] Planetarium


  Maybe the problem is the "person" who may have another agenda and it doesn't
  make any difference what anyone else wants.  It appears He has chosen to not
  have it be in the limelight since it was opened and he has chosen not to
  tell the many interested parties in advance of his plans until it is almost
  too late to do anything about it.  By not promoting it, it was doomed from
  the start.

  From what I have read here and in the paper it looks to me that it was a
  done deal a long time ago from this "persons" point of view and he is NOT
  going to let it stay where it is.  Maybe the only way it could work would be
  if he were not there blocking it and have someone with a more open mind
  making the decisions and looking for a way to make it work.  It appears he
  did not make the effort to make it work and he probably had his reasons.

  I like the sound of what Tim and others are getting back from their
  contacts.

  My 2 cents worth.

  D T




  -----Original Message-----
  From: Rick Henderson [mailto:rhenderson1@...]
  Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 12:35 AM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] Planetarium

  I'm also encouraged by the news, but if I remember correctly from Jen's
  email, the Spitz starball is "dome-dimension-specific" which in my minds
  means more money for a new building built to starball specific requirements
  in order to work properly.  And then there's all the other video, audio,
  computer and cabling installation that would be required, and add testing
  and debugging hardware and software.  Yeesh!.

  Although a new building would be a better alternative than to what Science
  City has announced, it would be needlessly expensive.  An equipped building
  already exists, next door to a city landmark and (hopefully someday) at
  least a regionally renown science museum.  It is in the perfect place and to
  move it would cost money that could be better used elsewhere.  The move
  would also distance it from what should be a mutually attractive crowd
  drawing attraction, Science City itself.

  From reading what others have written and just from what I know of the
  technical and cost perspective, I would hope that we could keep it right
  where it is and devote all the positive energy that has been generated into
  planetarium promotion, creative and technical program design and dome
  multimedia presentation.

  And with the art district just across the tracks, this is the part of town
  where it is happening!  What have the burbs got to compare to this?  And
  this from someone who lives in the burbs.  There is, or at least could be,
  life after dark, not only just at Powell observatory, but in down/midtown as
  well.  For that matter, why doesn't Science City have a full-time,
  operational, public-accessible telescope going on?  Criminy, moon and
  planetary stuff is visible down there on a clear night and with a solar
  filter, the daytime is accessible as well.  How could anybody not get
  excited about astronomy by seeing the surface of the sun in writhing and
  shooting flames?

  Science City just doesn't understand the lure and attraction of astronomy.
  It should be one of the easiest sciences to get people of all ages enthused
  about.

  My inflated two cents worth.  Sorry to be so verbose.  This issue is near
  and dear.

  Rick Henderson


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Hi guys... would anyone in the group happen to have a couple of old 
satellite dishes on the scrap pile... or know where some are? I am refering 
to the old 18 inch dishes that companies like PrimeStar used a few years 
ago for the first try at direct tv. You see all the cable commercials with 
everybody tossing them in the trash... where is that trash????
We are going to build a low-cost, line-of-sight internet access network so 
observers at the Douglas Observatory and all of the observing field(s) will 
be able to have internet access via Wi-Fi. We just have to get the signal 
back to the observatory... 900 feet away from the main access point.
All we need is a few old dishes with their mounting brackets... no 
electonics. Using the dishes will allow broadband transmission for more 
than we could ever need...(tests indicate it will work for up to 10 miles!) 
line of sight...then via a normal omni-directional antenna at the observatory.
That way people can check their e-mail, check the weather, surf the net and 
report that new comet discovery ... all from their telescope while observing.

Anybody know where a couple of these dishes might be located???

Thanks,

Vic

Vic Winter
ICSTARS Astronomy http://www.icstars.com
Check out our Astronomy/Weather Book! Our Spacious Skies - 
http://www.icstars.com/ourspaciousskies/oss.html
StarGarden Foundation - http://www.StarGardenFoundation.org
Southern Skies Star Party Director - http://www.sssp.org
NASA/JPL Solar System Ambassador

Attention all techno geeks. Go to http://mars.telascience.org and download the maestro software and get a data packet. You can play Mars rover and see all of the images like you were at JPL. Something to do in the rain.

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Science City is looking for an Operations Manager. Details on 
CareerBuilder.com. Search on key words "science city" or reference ID 
23078987.

If we can get one of our own on the inside.......  ;)

Rich Hathaway


--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Henderson" <rhenderson1@k...> 
wrote:
> I agree with what Dick and Tim have been saying.  I do think it's 
silly for Science City to scrap the building and waste the original 
expense, but ultimately I am in favor of any plan that will provide 
us with a decent planetarium that is properly administered.
> 
> I am also very encouraged by the feedback from both the ASKC and 
the public.  I have received a handful of emails and phone calls 
regarding my letter, all VERY supportive.
> 
> Rick Henderson
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: D. Trentman 
>   To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 5:34 AM
>   Subject: RE: [ASKC] Planetarium
> 
> 
>   Maybe the problem is the "person" who may have another agenda and 
it doesn't
>   make any difference what anyone else wants.  It appears He has 
chosen to not
>   have it be in the limelight since it was opened and he has chosen 
not to
>   tell the many interested parties in advance of his plans until it 
is almost
>   too late to do anything about it.  By not promoting it, it was 
doomed from
>   the start.
> 
>   From what I have read here and in the paper it looks to me that 
it was a
>   done deal a long time ago from this "persons" point of view and 
he is NOT
>   going to let it stay where it is.  Maybe the only way it could 
work would be
>   if he were not there blocking it and have someone with a more 
open mind
>   making the decisions and looking for a way to make it work.  It 
appears he
>   did not make the effort to make it work and he probably had his 
reasons.
> 
>   I like the sound of what Tim and others are getting back from 
their
>   contacts.
> 
>   My 2 cents worth.
> 
>   D T
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: Rick Henderson [mailto:rhenderson1@k...]
>   Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 12:35 AM
>   To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: Re: [ASKC] Planetarium
> 
>   I'm also encouraged by the news, but if I remember correctly from 
Jen's
>   email, the Spitz starball is "dome-dimension-specific" which in 
my minds
>   means more money for a new building built to starball specific 
requirements
>   in order to work properly.  And then there's all the other video, 
audio,
>   computer and cabling installation that would be required, and add 
testing
>   and debugging hardware and software.  Yeesh!.
> 
>   Although a new building would be a better alternative than to 
what Science
>   City has announced, it would be needlessly expensive.  An 
equipped building
>   already exists, next door to a city landmark and (hopefully 
someday) at
>   least a regionally renown science museum.  It is in the perfect 
place and to
>   move it would cost money that could be better used elsewhere.  
The move
>   would also distance it from what should be a mutually attractive 
crowd
>   drawing attraction, Science City itself.
> 
>   From reading what others have written and just from what I know 
of the
>   technical and cost perspective, I would hope that we could keep 
it right
>   where it is and devote all the positive energy that has been 
generated into
>   planetarium promotion, creative and technical program design and 
dome
>   multimedia presentation.
> 
>   And with the art district just across the tracks, this is the 
part of town
>   where it is happening!  What have the burbs got to compare to 
this?  And
>   this from someone who lives in the burbs.  There is, or at least 
could be,
>   life after dark, not only just at Powell observatory, but in 
down/midtown as
>   well.  For that matter, why doesn't Science City have a full-time,
>   operational, public-accessible telescope going on?  Criminy, moon 
and
>   planetary stuff is visible down there on a clear night and with a 
solar
>   filter, the daytime is accessible as well.  How could anybody not 
get
>   excited about astronomy by seeing the surface of the sun in 
writhing and
>   shooting flames?
> 
>   Science City just doesn't understand the lure and attraction of 
astronomy.
>   It should be one of the easiest sciences to get people of all 
ages enthused
>   about.
> 
>   My inflated two cents worth.  Sorry to be so verbose.  This issue 
is near
>   and dear.
> 
>   Rick Henderson

So let's review:

They want to hire somebody who's going to design, and develop all the 
science programs to development of educational philosophy and approach - 
and they ___ expect no less than ONE year of experience ____.

They note that they are not paying to relocate the candidate... which means 
they would expect to find this person with the necessary experience being 
responsible for the scientific content of science city - IN Kansas City.  I 
guess there's someone who's been apprenticing at THE OTHER kansas city 
science center for a year - who's dying to explore educational 
possibilities in converting complex science processes to the general public 
level.

Sorry... bad taste in my mouth.  It just looks like a feeble attempt to 
claim they "tried" to make science city work... but couldn't.

jen



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Thanks Scott for all the comet info... You truly are Da' Man!

rett





> I've loaded 2 PDF's you might want to see.
> 
> The first shows the position of LINEAR 2002 T7 for the next 30 days.  
> I found it for the first time tonight from urban Raymore with 
> 10x50's, so it is gradually brightening up.
> 
> The second shows the western sky mid-June.  If all goes well, it 
> should be one heck of a show.
> 
> -scott

Ok, paranoid theory # 5,218.  The new IRS plan to move to Union Station and build a 4 story parking garage west of science city is the real reason to close the planetarium.

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David,
Not a correct theory.  I have had the opportunity to review in detail the 
plan because they need Park Board approval.  The parking lot is in the old 
federal express area and a ways away from the planetarium site.  Sorry to quash your 
best paranoid theory but the IRS building has nothing to do with Turner's 
decision to scrap the planetarium.  
Tim


In a message dated 1/16/04 8:50:05 PM Central Standard Time, 
dyoung8@... writes:
Ok, paranoid theory # 5,218.  The new IRS plan to move to Union Station and 
build a 4 story parking garage west of science city is the real reason to close 
the planetarium.

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Hey Scott-
You've asked for it--
I actually found my Astro Quest Certificate!
#1, November 25, 1995
So, that at least puts a start point for everyone else.

Kathy

Tim, is there a website that shows the whole revamping project for the
old post office? I grew up there and would really like to see what they
are doing. I read and article somewhere the other day about it but
couldn't find it again. Shelley

 

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From: TKristl100@... [mailto:TKristl100@...] 
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 11:01 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
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David,
Not a correct theory.  I have had the opportunity to review in detail
the 
plan because they need Park Board approval.  The parking lot is in the
old 
federal express area and a ways away from the planetarium site.  Sorry
to quash your 
best paranoid theory but the IRS building has nothing to do with
Turner's 
decision to scrap the planetarium.  
Tim


In a message dated 1/16/04 8:50:05 PM Central Standard Time, 
dyoung8@... writes:
Ok, paranoid theory # 5,218.  The new IRS plan to move to Union Station
and 
build a 4 story parking garage west of science city is the real reason
to close 
the planetarium.

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Shelley,
I have not seen one.  You might look at the DST site.
Tim

In a message dated 1/16/04 11:40:56 PM Central Standard Time, 
sgranger@... writes:
Tim, is there a website that shows the whole revamping project for the
old post office? I grew up there and would really like to see what they
are doing. I read and article somewhere the other day about it but
couldn't find it again. Shelley


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I confess I don't have very fond memories of the place. I spent too much time unloading mail bags from box cars at night in the 60" when I was in school. What I really want to know is just where exactly did you live at Union Station?
   I grew up there and would really like to see what they
  are doing. 


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Folks, Just a reminder that author and astronomer Ken Croswell will speak at the Saturday GM about Mars and his recent book (which is fabulous). I just saw his talk about Mars on elevision (tha book review channel) to a group in New York, and it is a GREAT program. Wonderful images and the latest science on Mars, including some discussion of the recent Spirit landers.

Here's the press release....

As an armada of spacecraft scrutinize the Red Planet as never before, Harvard-trained astronomer and author Ken Croswell will show us the best color images of Mars. Join us as Dr. Croswell describes the planet from pole to pole - exploring Martian geology, the Martian atmosphere, Martian volcanoes, and Martian water, and its amazing evolution from a warm wet world to the very different planet we see today. Along the way you'll see nearly every image from Dr. Croswell's new book Magnificent Mars, including volcanoes over twice as tall as Mount Everest, canyons that could stretch from Ohio to California, and floods of water far greater than any known on Earth. . Don't miss this spectacular presentation by internationally recognized astronomer and speaker Ken Croswell At the January 24 meeting of the Astronomical Society of Kansas City. Admission is free, and the program begins at 7PM at Royal Hall on the UMKC campus. Croswell will sign any copies of his book at the end of the program.



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For those who are looking for T7 and other comets 
Here are some more websites that I have displayed for Comet Award that are 
very helpful (maps, information and more ) for Comet T7 and more.
I update more of them as well as sighting by observers, sketch information, 
comet news , updates on who have gotten comet awards  at my comet award website 
and my cometaward newsletter which comes out about twice weekley or so. . 
More information below.

Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), 
Olathe, KS. USA
send information to Dr.Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...) or 
(send messages to the network at ) CometObserversAwardAL@yahoogroups.com;
Subscribe to have your name on the  listserve by sending email to  : 
CometObserversAwardAL-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
FGU astronomy consultant, Harvard U.-
Member, ASKC (Astronomical Society of Kansas City), Comet Observers Award 
Moderator, Astronomical League. 
(http://www.astroleague.org/al/obsclubs/obsclub.html) (http://members.aol.com/kcstarguy/blacksun/cometaward.htm)

Comets coming up with websites etc
http://www.aerith.net/comet/current.html
http://www.arksky.org/cgi-bin/comettable.pl
http://www.cometography.com/
 Greg Crinklaw <crinklaws@...>
Comet chasing information and finder charts at
<http://www.skyhound.com/sh/comets.html>
Greg shows the comet visibilities at 30S, Equator, 40N,55N- very helpful
Skyhounds Guide to finding comets
    http://www.skyhound.com/sh/comet_guide.html
Skyhound Guide to comets
    http://www.skyhound.com/sh/comet_desc.html

Dave,
Is this the press release from Rainy Day Books?  I'll integrate this info in
the release I send to the media.

Thanks much.
Carroll Iorg
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Hudgins" <dhudgins@...>
To: "ASKC Club" <ASKC@...>
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 10:40
Subject: [ASKC] Don't miss Croswell Mars talk at Saturday's GM


> Folks, Just a reminder that author and astronomer Ken Croswell will speak
at the Saturday GM about Mars and his recent book (which is fabulous). I
just saw his talk about Mars on elevision (tha book review channel) to a
group in New York, and it is a GREAT program. Wonderful images and the
latest science on Mars, including some discussion of the recent Spirit
landers.
>
> Here's the press release....
>
> As an armada of spacecraft scrutinize the Red Planet as never before,
Harvard-trained astronomer and author Ken Croswell will show us the best
color images of Mars. Join us as Dr. Croswell describes the planet from pole
to pole - exploring Martian geology, the Martian atmosphere, Martian
volcanoes, and Martian water, and its amazing evolution from a warm wet
world to the very different planet we see today. Along the way you'll see
nearly every image from Dr. Croswell's new book Magnificent Mars, including
volcanoes over twice as tall as Mount Everest, canyons that could stretch
from Ohio to California, and floods of water far greater than any known on
Earth. . Don't miss this spectacular presentation by internationally
recognized astronomer and speaker Ken Croswell At the January 24 meeting of
the Astronomical Society of Kansas City. Admission is free, and the program
begins at 7PM at Royal Hall on the UMKC campus. Croswell will sign any
copies of his book at the end of the !
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For those of you that expressed an interest (David Young, Rick Henderson,
David Hudgins, Shelley Granger... more?)  the meeting with Ed Eilert is now
set up for this Thursday, Jan. 22nd at Overland Park City Hall.  it's at
87th and Antioch in Overland Park.

If anyone else wants to be there, please just let me know.

Rick Henderson is doing some research on the equipment, and is in touch with
Michael Bakich so we have all the details correct.

Thanks...

Jackie
  -----Original Message-----
  From: TKristl100@... [mailto:TKristl100@...]
  Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 8:08 AM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] science city


  Shelley,
  I have not seen one.  You might look at the DST site.
  Tim

  In a message dated 1/16/04 11:40:56 PM Central Standard Time,
  sgranger@... writes:
  Tim, is there a website that shows the whole revamping project for the
  old post office? I grew up there and would really like to see what they
  are doing. I read and article somewhere the other day about it but
  couldn't find it again. Shelley


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Jackie,

I'd be happy to lend support and attend. But would hope that we can go with
some specific ideas  in mind.  What do we have?

Dave

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 1:55 PM
Subject: RE: [ASKC] science city


> For those of you that expressed an interest (David Young, Rick Henderson,
> David Hudgins, Shelley Granger... more?)  the meeting with Ed Eilert is
now
> set up for this Thursday, Jan. 22nd at Overland Park City Hall.  it's at
> 87th and Antioch in Overland Park.
>
> If anyone else wants to be there, please just let me know.
>
> Rick Henderson is doing some research on the equipment, and is in touch
with
> Michael Bakich so we have all the details correct.
>
> Thanks...
>
> Jackie
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>   Shelley,
>   I have not seen one.  You might look at the DST site.
>   Tim
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>   In a message dated 1/16/04 11:40:56 PM Central Standard Time,
>   sgranger@... writes:
>   Tim, is there a website that shows the whole revamping project for the
>   old post office? I grew up there and would really like to see what they
>   are doing. I read and article somewhere the other day about it but
>   couldn't find it again. Shelley
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I'll be there.

Rick Henderson
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jackie Beucher 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 1:55 PM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] science city


  For those of you that expressed an interest (David Young, Rick Henderson,
  David Hudgins, Shelley Granger... more?)  the meeting with Ed Eilert is now
  set up for this Thursday, Jan. 22nd at Overland Park City Hall.  it's at
  87th and Antioch in Overland Park.

  If anyone else wants to be there, please just let me know.

  Rick Henderson is doing some research on the equipment, and is in touch with
  Michael Bakich so we have all the details correct.

  Thanks...

  Jackie
    -----Original Message-----
    From: TKristl100@... [mailto:TKristl100@...]
    Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 8:08 AM
    To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: Re: [ASKC] science city


    Shelley,
    I have not seen one.  You might look at the DST site.
    Tim

    In a message dated 1/16/04 11:40:56 PM Central Standard Time,
    sgranger@... writes:
    Tim, is there a website that shows the whole revamping project for the
    old post office? I grew up there and would really like to see what they
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Naturally I'll be in Great Bend. Just as well since I'd probably say something nasty about the Science City management effort.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jackie Beucher 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 1:55 PM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] science city


  For those of you that expressed an interest (David Young, Rick Henderson,
  David Hudgins, Shelley Granger... more?)  the meeting with Ed Eilert is now
  set up for this Thursday, Jan. 22nd at Overland Park City Hall.  it's at
  87th and Antioch in Overland Park.

  If anyone else wants to be there, please just let me know.

  Rick Henderson is doing some research on the equipment, and is in touch with
  Michael Bakich so we have all the details correct.

  Thanks...

  Jackie
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    Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 8:08 AM
    To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: Re: [ASKC] science city


    Shelley,
    I have not seen one.  You might look at the DST site.
    Tim

    In a message dated 1/16/04 11:40:56 PM Central Standard Time,
    sgranger@... writes:
    Tim, is there a website that shows the whole revamping project for the
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For those of you who have Starry Nights, The Sky, etc. type software, I downloaded the comet ephemerides at the following site:

http://encke.jpl.nasa.gov/eph.html

It's fairly easy to import and display whatever comets you want and then you can view their trajectory on your own PC, print maps, etc.

Rick Henderson
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: KCStarguy@... 
  To: djm28@... 
  Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 11:15 AM
  Subject: [ASKC] comet stuff


  For those who are looking for T7 and other comets 
  Here are some more websites that I have displayed for Comet Award that are 
  very helpful (maps, information and more ) for Comet T7 and more.
  I update more of them as well as sighting by observers, sketch information, 
  comet news , updates on who have gotten comet awards  at my comet award website 
  and my cometaward newsletter which comes out about twice weekley or so. . 
  More information below.

  Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), 
  Olathe, KS. USA
  send information to Dr.Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...) or 
  (send messages to the network at ) CometObserversAwardAL@yahoogroups.com;
  Subscribe to have your name on the  listserve by sending email to  : 
  CometObserversAwardAL-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
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  Member, ASKC (Astronomical Society of Kansas City), Comet Observers Award 
  Moderator, Astronomical League. 
  (http://www.astroleague.org/al/obsclubs/obsclub.html) (http://members.aol.com/kcstarguy/blacksun/cometaward.htm)

  Comets coming up with websites etc
  http://www.aerith.net/comet/current.html
  http://www.arksky.org/cgi-bin/comettable.pl
  http://www.cometography.com/
   Greg Crinklaw <crinklaws@...>
  Comet chasing information and finder charts at
  <http://www.skyhound.com/sh/comets.html>
  Greg shows the comet visibilities at 30S, Equator, 40N,55N- very helpful
  Skyhounds Guide to finding comets
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Regarding Dave Hudgins comments, I agree it would be better to have a consensus or even a "plan" to go to Mr. Eilert with.  Even just a fact finding mission is better than no meeting, but as he may be looking to us as the "experts" perhaps we should have a dress rehearsal meeting prior to meeting with him.

In light of that, would it be possible to delay the meeting with Mr. Eilert until after the ASKC general meeting next week?  That way we could meet first.  Also, I have not yet received any equipment information from Michael Bakich and as such haven't had time to research model numbers, operating requirements, features, etc.  

Rick Henderson
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: David Hudgins 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 2:07 PM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] science city


  Jackie,

  I'd be happy to lend support and attend. But would hope that we can go with
  some specific ideas  in mind.  What do we have?

  Dave

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Jackie Beucher" <m31@...>
  To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
  Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 1:55 PM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] science city


  > For those of you that expressed an interest (David Young, Rick Henderson,
  > David Hudgins, Shelley Granger... more?)  the meeting with Ed Eilert is
  now
  > set up for this Thursday, Jan. 22nd at Overland Park City Hall.  it's at
  > 87th and Antioch in Overland Park.
  >
  > If anyone else wants to be there, please just let me know.
  >
  > Rick Henderson is doing some research on the equipment, and is in touch
  with
  > Michael Bakich so we have all the details correct.
  >
  > Thanks...
  >
  > Jackie
  >   -----Original Message-----
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  >   Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 8:08 AM
  >   To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  >   Subject: Re: [ASKC] science city
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  >   Shelley,
  >   I have not seen one.  You might look at the DST site.
  >   Tim
  >
  >   In a message dated 1/16/04 11:40:56 PM Central Standard Time,
  >   sgranger@... writes:
  >   Tim, is there a website that shows the whole revamping project for the
  >   old post office? I grew up there and would really like to see what they
  >   are doing. I read and article somewhere the other day about it but
  >   couldn't find it again. Shelley
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I have aquired an ETX 70 AT new with the box and eyepieces. It will be raffled off at a General Meeting in the next few months. It is a goto computer controlled scope and it has been tested and appears to be in full working order.

Raffle tickets will be $10 each and will be sold at ASKC functions starting with the January meeting.

100% of the money from raffle ticket sales will be earmarked for a color filter wheel for Powell.

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Is it just me or is everyone coming to this meeting without a time 
specified????
Tim



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dhudgins@... writes:
Jackie,

I'd be happy to lend support and attend. But would hope that we can go with
some specific ideas  in mind.  What do we have?

Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jackie Beucher" <m31@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 1:55 PM
Subject: RE: [ASKC] science city


> For those of you that expressed an interest (David Young, Rick Henderson,
> David Hudgins, Shelley Granger... more?)  the meeting with Ed Eilert is
now
> set up for this Thursday, Jan. 22nd at Overland Park City Hall.  it's at
> 87th and Antioch in Overland Park.
>
> If anyone else wants to be there, please just let me know.
>
> Rick Henderson is doing some research on the equipment, and is in touch
with
> Michael Bakich so we have all the details correct.
>
> Thanks...
>
> Jackie


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what time? 
Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), 
Olathe, KS. USA

Message: 5
   Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 13:55:10 -0600
   From: Jackie Beucher <m31@...>
Subject: RE: science city

For those of you that expressed an interest (David Young, Rick Henderson,
David Hudgins, Shelley Granger... more?)  the meeting with Ed Eilert is now
set up for this Thursday, Jan. 22nd at Overland Park City Hall.  it's at
87th and Antioch in Overland Park.

If anyone else wants to be there, please just let me know.

Rick Henderson is doing some research on the equipment, and is in touch with
Michael Bakich so we have all the details correct.

Thanks...

Jackie

If you have starry night pro like I have (I think others might work like 
this)- there is an update mode that constantly updates the movement of comets, 
satellites and more as well as sending information about new comets in the sky etc

Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), 
Olathe, KS. USA
**
<< Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 15:41:30 -0600
   From: "Rick Henderson" <rhenderson1@...>
Subject: Re: comet stuff

For those of you who have Starry Nights, The Sky, etc. type software, I 
downloaded the comet ephemerides at the following site:

http://encke.jpl.nasa.gov/eph.html

It's fairly easy to import and display whatever comets you want and then you 
can view their trajectory on your own PC, print maps, etc.

Rick Henderson
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: KCStarguy@... 
  To: djm28@... 
  Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 11:15 AM
 >>

Having been, I can tell you why going to Australia is a good idea.

1.  You can speak with the natives
2.  You can eat the local food and drink the water without Kaopectate
3.  There has never been a revolution
4.  The local cops are afraid of the United States Ambassador
5.  Your passport means something
6.  There are WalMarts, K-Marts and the Colonel everywhere
7.  If you keep your mouth shut they don't know you are a tourist
8.  There are soccer games in every town almost every day
9.  Fosters is cheaper than milk and on tap in every pub
10. You can lay over in Hawaii, Fiji or New Zealand 
11. It is further south than any other site talked about, -34 degrees
12. Your money buys more there than here
13. Round trip coach fares are around $1300 from LA
14. You can strike up a conversation because they like your funny
accent
15. Take in Sydney sightseeing for one day
16. Some of the best wine on earth is made in Australia
17. The money is beautiful and in denominations you know
18. The seasons are reversed, so you can escape a midwest winter
19. The phone operator speaks English, kinda
20. Very tasty fish and chips (shark) is cheap and everywhere
     
If you seek the Holy Grail you can go out to Ayers Rock/Alice Springs
but it isn't that much darker and you will have to get across 1400
miles of open desert.  You also lose most amenities.

Better to rent a car in Sydney and drive 125 miles west into the Blue
Mountains.  Get a motel and then go ask farmers a few miles out of town
if you can use their sheep pasture for a few days to observe.  Everyone
we asked gave us permission and one even served us tea at night.

Caveats:
Don't make any jokes about Aussies standing on their head or use the
phrase "down under."  Also avoid jokes told in the Crocodile Dundee
movies.  Aussies don't think he is very funny, like Minnesoteans don't
laugh at Garrison Keillor. Don't sing "Waltzing Matilda" with a Yankee
accent.  Well, not unless you want a lot of exercise!  They are your
cousins, but best not remind them of it.  These folks had convict
ancestors, some with a bad temper, and don't mention that, either.

Using your rental car battery for 12 volt power, start observing, going
back to the motel in the daytime.  When the sheep start looking good,
pack up and come home right away.

Here are a few reasons we prefer to go to Lake Titicaca rather than 
Australia after having been both places:

"Oh, I've been both places several times and the skies are MUCH darker in 
Bolivia than in Australia." - Thane Bopp, St. Louis, MO.

>Numbered items were used to describe Australia.  Andean descriptions follow.
>
>1.  You can speak with the natives
- All the natives know who we are before we get there, look forward to 
seeing us to show us their appreciation. And you don't need to speak 
spanish to understand each other.

>2.  You can eat the local food and drink the water without Kaopectate
- Ditto....  except we have 5-star fine dining every night for the price of 
a big mac.

>3.  There has never been a revolution
The US Embassy is considered the highest court in the country

>4.  The local cops are afraid of the United States Ambassador
The US Ambassador knows who we are (by name).

>5.  Your passport means something
- Ditto...  and we are in the care of those who have hosted kings to 
presidents since 1952.

>6.  There are WalMarts, K-Marts and the Colonel everywhere
There are NO walmarts, kmarts or the Colonel everywhere.

>7.  If you keep your mouth shut they don't know you are a tourist
It's different enough that you don't feel like I spent all this money for 
everything to look just like the US.

>8.  There are soccer games in every town almost every day
The poor kids play soccer in a grass field inches away from a 2 million 
dollar lake-front mountain overlook.

>9.  Fosters is cheaper than milk and on tap in every pub
If you want the cantina opened, they do.  IF you want it closed, they do.

>10. You can lay over in Hawaii, Fiji or New Zealand
You don't have to lay over anywhere and your flight time is measured in 
hours not days. and about 1/2 the cost.

>11. It is further south than any other site talked about, -34 degrees
It's the highest public star party in the World.  - far enough south to the 
LMC, SMC, 47Tuc, Eta Carina, Jewel Box, tarantula, Alpha and Beta 
Centauri... with the milky way filling the entire sky in color - with a sky 
so black that the whole thing looks like an elvis painting.

>12. Your money buys more there than here
It's hard to spend $200 in a whole week.

>13. Round trip coach fares are around $1300 from LA
The whole trip with the flight, hotel, transfers, meals, and a ready to use 
observatory costs only $1650

>14. You can strike up a conversation because they like your funny accent
You meet avid amateur observers from around the world who are all 
interested in what we're doing and are excited to learn and share.

>15. Take in Sydney sightseeing for one day
La Paz... wow.   Glaciers... WOW!  Isla Del Sol, Tiwanacu sun temple and 
the Royal Andes.... _WOWW!_

>16. Some of the best wine on earth is made in Australia
The best salmon/trout hybrid is bred and served at our resort.

>17. The money is beautiful and in denominations you know
You don't need to exchange money because the US Dollar is accepted everywhere.

>18. The seasons are reversed, so you can escape a midwest winter
The weather is dry and cold at night for good observing, warm during the 
day for trekking and day-tours.

>19. The phone operator speaks English, kinda
The clerk at the desk speaks English and can fix ANYTHING.

>20. Very tasty fish and chips (shark) is cheap and everywhere
Handicraft shops are everywhere... and if you accidentally pay too much, 
the young clerk will chase you down the street to give you your change back.

>      If you seek the Holy Grail you can go out to Ayers Rock/Alice Springs
>but it isn't that much darker and you will have to get across 1400
>miles of open desert.  You also lose most amenities.
We have full amenities, coal-black skies and full service 
everywhere.  Porters move our bags, the band plays local music every night, 
we're told what time the bus leaves for the tours, and it's so quiet, you 
can hear the gravel crackle under your feet..

>Better to rent a car in Sydney and drive 125 miles west into the Blue
>Mountains.  Get a motel and then go ask farmers a few miles out of town
>if you can use their sheep pasture for a few days to observe.  Everyone
>we asked gave us permission and one even served us tea at night.
Better yet, set equipment up and keep it up under guarded protection with 
electrical service just a few yards from a warm bed and 24-hour  hot coffee 
mess.

>Caveats:
>Don't make any jokes about Aussies standing on their head or use the
>phrase "down under."  Also avoid jokes told in the Crocodile Dundee
>movies.  Aussies don't think he is very funny, like Minnesoteans don't
>laugh at Garrison Keillor. Don't sing "Waltzing Matilda" with a Yankee
>accent.  Well, not unless you want a lot of exercise!  They are your
>cousins, but best not remind them of it.  These folks had convict
>ancestors, some with a bad temper, and don't mention that, either.
The local indian people are the most generous, kind and thoughtfull people 
on the planet.  They have survived conquest of Incas to Spanish 
conquistadors with their gentle culture intact through pacifism and strong 
moral culture of honesty, integrity and hard work.  Nothing is more 
awe-inspiring than seeing how these people eek out a living from the harsh 
high altitude land for eons without a single complaint.

>Using your rental car battery for 12 volt power, start observing, going
>back to the motel in the daytime.  When the sheep start looking good,
>pack up and come home right away.
You won't have to bring 12-volt batteries unless you want to.  All the 
power supplies are already there waiting for us.  And when we travel 
together as a group, year after year, even the airline inspectors know who 
we are and when we're coming.

The hotel at Lake Titicaca is also sitting, waiting for visitors all year 
'round with a resident 22" starmaster in the roll-off roof 
observatory.  Travelers don't need to come with the Star Party, but it 
obviously has its benefits.

7 pm.
  -----Original Message-----
  From: KCStarguy@... [mailto:KCStarguy@...]
  Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 11:10 AM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [ASKC] what time?


  what time?
  Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...),
  Olathe, KS. USA

  Message: 5
     Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 13:55:10 -0600
     From: Jackie Beucher <m31@...>
  Subject: RE: science city

  For those of you that expressed an interest (David Young, Rick Henderson,
  David Hudgins, Shelley Granger... more?)  the meeting with Ed Eilert is
now
  set up for this Thursday, Jan. 22nd at Overland Park City Hall.  it's at
  87th and Antioch in Overland Park.

  If anyone else wants to be there, please just let me know.

  Rick Henderson is doing some research on the equipment, and is in touch
with
  Michael Bakich so we have all the details correct.

  Thanks...

  Jackie







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Jen, what is an "elvis painting?"

I really didn't mean to rile you so, just offering to share what I have
enjoyed.  It seems we are viewing the issue from two different
perspectives. This has nothing to do with your for-profit business of
guiding tours, I'm just sharing memories.  I wish you all the financial
success in the world, and you seem to be doing well.  In fact, it never
occurred to me that you might take umbrage to my sharing.  Other places
are fine also, I'm sure.  If it's good enough for Thane, it is good
enough for me.  

George Allen
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  

Jen Winter - ICSTARS Astronomy wrote:
> 
> Here are a few reasons we prefer to go to Lake Titicaca rather than
> Australia after having been both places:
> 
> "Oh, I've been both places several times and the skies are MUCH
> darker in
> Bolivia than in Australia." - Thane Bopp, St. Louis, MO.
> 
> >Numbered items were used to describe Australia.  Andean descriptions
> follow.
> >
> >1.  You can speak with the natives
> - All the natives know who we are before we get there, look forward
> to
> seeing us to show us their appreciation. And you don't need to speak
> spanish to understand each other.
> 
> >2.  You can eat the local food and drink the water without
> Kaopectate
> - Ditto....  except we have 5-star fine dining every night for the
> price of
> a big mac.
> 
> >3.  There has never been a revolution
> The US Embassy is considered the highest court in the country
> 
> >4.  The local cops are afraid of the United States Ambassador
> The US Ambassador knows who we are (by name).
> 
> >5.  Your passport means something
> - Ditto...  and we are in the care of those who have hosted kings to
> presidents since 1952.
> 
> >6.  There are WalMarts, K-Marts and the Colonel everywhere
> There are NO walmarts, kmarts or the Colonel everywhere.
> 
> >7.  If you keep your mouth shut they don't know you are a tourist
> It's different enough that you don't feel like I spent all this money
> for
> everything to look just like the US.
> 
> >8.  There are soccer games in every town almost every day
> The poor kids play soccer in a grass field inches away from a 2
> million
> dollar lake-front mountain overlook.
> 
> >9.  Fosters is cheaper than milk and on tap in every pub
> If you want the cantina opened, they do.  IF you want it closed, they
> do.
> 
> >10. You can lay over in Hawaii, Fiji or New Zealand
> You don't have to lay over anywhere and your flight time is measured
> in
> hours not days. and about 1/2 the cost.
> 
> >11. It is further south than any other site talked about, -34
> degrees
> It's the highest public star party in the World.  - far enough south
> to the
> LMC, SMC, 47Tuc, Eta Carina, Jewel Box, tarantula, Alpha and Beta
> Centauri... with the milky way filling the entire sky in color - with
> a sky
> so black that the whole thing looks like an elvis painting.
> 
> >12. Your money buys more there than here
> It's hard to spend $200 in a whole week.
> 
> >13. Round trip coach fares are around $1300 from LA
> The whole trip with the flight, hotel, transfers, meals, and a ready
> to use
> observatory costs only $1650
> 
> >14. You can strike up a conversation because they like your funny
> accent
> You meet avid amateur observers from around the world who are all
> interested in what we're doing and are excited to learn and share.
> 
> >15. Take in Sydney sightseeing for one day
> La Paz... wow.   Glaciers... WOW!  Isla Del Sol, Tiwanacu sun temple
> and
> the Royal Andes.... _WOWW!_
> 
> >16. Some of the best wine on earth is made in Australia
> The best salmon/trout hybrid is bred and served at our resort.
> 
> >17. The money is beautiful and in denominations you know
> You don't need to exchange money because the US Dollar is accepted
> everywhere.
> 
> >18. The seasons are reversed, so you can escape a midwest winter
> The weather is dry and cold at night for good observing, warm during
> the
> day for trekking and day-tours.
> 
> >19. The phone operator speaks English, kinda
> The clerk at the desk speaks English and can fix ANYTHING.
> 
> >20. Very tasty fish and chips (shark) is cheap and everywhere
> Handicraft shops are everywhere... and if you accidentally pay too
> much,
> the young clerk will chase you down the street to give you your
> change back.
> 
> >      If you seek the Holy Grail you can go out to Ayers Rock/Alice
> Springs
> >but it isn't that much darker and you will have to get across 1400
> >miles of open desert.  You also lose most amenities.
> We have full amenities, coal-black skies and full service
> everywhere.  Porters move our bags, the band plays local music every
> night,
> we're told what time the bus leaves for the tours, and it's so quiet,
> you
> can hear the gravel crackle under your feet..
> 
> >Better to rent a car in Sydney and drive 125 miles west into the
> Blue
> >Mountains.  Get a motel and then go ask farmers a few miles out of
> town
> >if you can use their sheep pasture for a few days to observe.
> Everyone
> >we asked gave us permission and one even served us tea at night.
> Better yet, set equipment up and keep it up under guarded protection
> with
> electrical service just a few yards from a warm bed and 24-hour  hot
> coffee
> mess.
> 
> >Caveats:
> >Don't make any jokes about Aussies standing on their head or use the
> >phrase "down under."  Also avoid jokes told in the Crocodile Dundee
> >movies.  Aussies don't think he is very funny, like Minnesoteans
> don't
> >laugh at Garrison Keillor. Don't sing "Waltzing Matilda" with a
> Yankee
> >accent.  Well, not unless you want a lot of exercise!  They are your
> >cousins, but best not remind them of it.  These folks had convict
> >ancestors, some with a bad temper, and don't mention that, either.
> The local indian people are the most generous, kind and thoughtfull
> people
> on the planet.  They have survived conquest of Incas to Spanish
> conquistadors with their gentle culture intact through pacifism and
> strong
> moral culture of honesty, integrity and hard work.  Nothing is more
> awe-inspiring than seeing how these people eek out a living from the
> harsh
> high altitude land for eons without a single complaint.
> 
> >Using your rental car battery for 12 volt power, start observing,
> going
> >back to the motel in the daytime.  When the sheep start looking
> good,
> >pack up and come home right away.
> You won't have to bring 12-volt batteries unless you want to.  All
> the
> power supplies are already there waiting for us.  And when we travel
> together as a group, year after year, even the airline inspectors
> know who
> we are and when we're coming.
> 
> The hotel at Lake Titicaca is also sitting, waiting for visitors all
> year
> 'round with a resident 22" starmaster in the roll-off roof
> observatory.  Travelers don't need to come with the Star Party, but
> it
> obviously has its benefits.
> 
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  -----Original Message-----
  From: TKristl100@... [mailto:TKristl100@...]
  Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 6:11 PM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] science city


  Is it just me or is everyone coming to this meeting without a time
  specified????
  Tim



  In a message dated 1/17/04 2:13:15 PM Central Standard Time,
  dhudgins@... writes:
  Jackie,

  I'd be happy to lend support and attend. But would hope that we can go
with
  some specific ideas  in mind.  What do we have?

  Dave

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Jackie Beucher" <m31@...>
  To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
  Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 1:55 PM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] science city


  > For those of you that expressed an interest (David Young, Rick
Henderson,
  > David Hudgins, Shelley Granger... more?)  the meeting with Ed Eilert is
  now
  > set up for this Thursday, Jan. 22nd at Overland Park City Hall.  it's at
  > 87th and Antioch in Overland Park.
  >
  > If anyone else wants to be there, please just let me know.
  >
  > Rick Henderson is doing some research on the equipment, and is in touch
  with
  > Michael Bakich so we have all the details correct.
  >
  > Thanks...
  >
  > Jackie


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The Elvis painting reference is the paintings on black velvet made popular 
with Elvis painted on them.

I don't know that 'riled' is the word.   You may be underestimating how 
much we love to talk about Bolivia and the Andes.  We don't need much 
excuse and can go on about the place for hours.   We choose to visit there 
for lots of reasons which we believe very strongly in.

We are huge proponents of southern hemisphere observing from whatever 
country one wants to visit or live in.  The entire African continent, all 
of South America and Australia / New Zealand / and Indonesia are all great 
places to observe a wealth of Southern sky treasures. (I put Antarctica low 
on the list)  If you look at the statistics, 95% of all amateur observers 
live in the Northern hemisphere.  This means that all the amateur 
contributions to science such as NEO work, Occultations, Comet hunting, 
planetary, variable star and gamma ray burst observations are primarily NOT 
being done in the South.  A lot of this is because many of those southern 
hemisphere countries do not enjoy the expendable income that we do in USA, 
Europe, and Asia.  Whenever we visit anywhere, we strive to bring outreach, 
understanding and contributions to the people of whatever country we visit.

As I'm sure the dozens of KC club members who have attended SSSP will 
attest, we don't boast the Andes and star party in an effort to make a 
buck.  That "for profit" star party funds the donations and contributions 
we have done there since 1998.  Our contributions to the country include 
thousands in school supplies, computers, $20K in telescope and astronomy 
equipment donations to the Country, its schools and universities.  In 2003, 
we spent a pretty penny of our own $ to set up a project to put an orphaned 
research grade observatory back into business for observers of the entire 
region.  Yes, when we're done, the professional astronomers now out of work 
will have jobs, so you could probably call that a for-profit project too.

When we took over the star party, the resources for these efforts were 
pathetic with little hope to help kids and the star party just a glorified 
tour... because another agency controlled costs.   This was THE WHOLE 
REASON we went into business for ourselves at all. We're not ashamed about 
making a meager living bringing tools to universities and astronomers in 
the area, organizing an event where amateur astronomers around the world 
can enjoy themselves, observe the way they are happy and comfortable, at an 
un-inflated cost; improving the lives and future of indigenous people who 
host us; and to promote the features of a country we are proud to visit.  I 
personally find it a lot more honorable a day-job than selling cars or 
pushing papers for corporate America.

We very much love the people of Bolivia and feel they are our family, in a 
way similar to the kinship we feel for ASKC club members.   There is a 
great warmth that comes from the feelings of charity, camaraderie, 
observational debauchery, mysticism and exploration in the experience of 
visiting the Andes (with or without our group).  I don't think anyone who 
has visited would disagree.

Just like restoring an old, classic car... you never know if you're making 
a good financial decision, but it's a labor of love, one you feel is worth 
your time, and if you don't take care of the project, who will?

Enjoy the sky, wherever you are...

Clear Skies,
jen

At 03:49 PM 1/18/04, you wrote:
>Jen, what is an "elvis painting?"
>
>I really didn't mean to rile you so, just offering to share what I have
>enjoyed.  It seems we are viewing the issue from two different
>perspectives. This has nothing to do with your for-profit business of
>guiding tours, I'm just sharing memories.  I wish you all the financial
>success in the world, and you seem to be doing well.  In fact, it never
>occurred to me that you might take umbrage to my sharing.  Other places
>are fine also, I'm sure.  If it's good enough for Thane, it is good
>enough for me.
>
>George Allen
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>Jen Winter - ICSTARS Astronomy wrote:
> >
> > Here are a few reasons we prefer to go to Lake Titicaca rather than
> > Australia after having been both places:
> >
> > "Oh, I've been both places several times and the skies are MUCH
> > darker in
> > Bolivia than in Australia." - Thane Bopp, St. Louis, MO.
> >
> > >Numbered items were used to describe Australia.  Andean descriptions
> > follow.
> > >
> > >1.  You can speak with the natives
> > - All the natives know who we are before we get there, look forward
> > to
> > seeing us to show us their appreciation. And you don't need to speak
> > spanish to understand each other.
> >
> > >2.  You can eat the local food and drink the water without
> > Kaopectate
> > - Ditto....  except we have 5-star fine dining every night for the
> > price of
> > a big mac.
> >
> > >3.  There has never been a revolution
> > The US Embassy is considered the highest court in the country
> >
> > >4.  The local cops are afraid of the United States Ambassador
> > The US Ambassador knows who we are (by name).
> >
> > >5.  Your passport means something
> > - Ditto...  and we are in the care of those who have hosted kings to
> > presidents since 1952.
> >
> > >6.  There are WalMarts, K-Marts and the Colonel everywhere
> > There are NO walmarts, kmarts or the Colonel everywhere.
> >
> > >7.  If you keep your mouth shut they don't know you are a tourist
> > It's different enough that you don't feel like I spent all this money
> > for
> > everything to look just like the US.
> >
> > >8.  There are soccer games in every town almost every day
> > The poor kids play soccer in a grass field inches away from a 2
> > million
> > dollar lake-front mountain overlook.
> >
> > >9.  Fosters is cheaper than milk and on tap in every pub
> > If you want the cantina opened, they do.  IF you want it closed, they
> > do.
> >
> > >10. You can lay over in Hawaii, Fiji or New Zealand
> > You don't have to lay over anywhere and your flight time is measured
> > in
> > hours not days. and about 1/2 the cost.
> >
> > >11. It is further south than any other site talked about, -34
> > degrees
> > It's the highest public star party in the World.  - far enough south
> > to the
> > LMC, SMC, 47Tuc, Eta Carina, Jewel Box, tarantula, Alpha and Beta
> > Centauri... with the milky way filling the entire sky in color - with
> > a sky
> > so black that the whole thing looks like an elvis painting.
> >
> > >12. Your money buys more there than here
> > It's hard to spend $200 in a whole week.
> >
> > >13. Round trip coach fares are around $1300 from LA
> > The whole trip with the flight, hotel, transfers, meals, and a ready
> > to use
> > observatory costs only $1650
> >
> > >14. You can strike up a conversation because they like your funny
> > accent
> > You meet avid amateur observers from around the world who are all
> > interested in what we're doing and are excited to learn and share.
> >
> > >15. Take in Sydney sightseeing for one day
> > La Paz... wow.   Glaciers... WOW!  Isla Del Sol, Tiwanacu sun temple
> > and
> > the Royal Andes.... _WOWW!_
> >
> > >16. Some of the best wine on earth is made in Australia
> > The best salmon/trout hybrid is bred and served at our resort.
> >
> > >17. The money is beautiful and in denominations you know
> > You don't need to exchange money because the US Dollar is accepted
> > everywhere.
> >
> > >18. The seasons are reversed, so you can escape a midwest winter
> > The weather is dry and cold at night for good observing, warm during
> > the
> > day for trekking and day-tours.
> >
> > >19. The phone operator speaks English, kinda
> > The clerk at the desk speaks English and can fix ANYTHING.
> >
> > >20. Very tasty fish and chips (shark) is cheap and everywhere
> > Handicraft shops are everywhere... and if you accidentally pay too
> > much,
> > the young clerk will chase you down the street to give you your
> > change back.
> >
> > >      If you seek the Holy Grail you can go out to Ayers Rock/Alice
> > Springs
> > >but it isn't that much darker and you will have to get across 1400
> > >miles of open desert.  You also lose most amenities.
> > We have full amenities, coal-black skies and full service
> > everywhere.  Porters move our bags, the band plays local music every
> > night,
> > we're told what time the bus leaves for the tours, and it's so quiet,
> > you
> > can hear the gravel crackle under your feet..
> >
> > >Better to rent a car in Sydney and drive 125 miles west into the
> > Blue
> > >Mountains.  Get a motel and then go ask farmers a few miles out of
> > town
> > >if you can use their sheep pasture for a few days to observe.
> > Everyone
> > >we asked gave us permission and one even served us tea at night.
> > Better yet, set equipment up and keep it up under guarded protection
> > with
> > electrical service just a few yards from a warm bed and 24-hour  hot
> > coffee
> > mess.
> >
> > >Caveats:
> > >Don't make any jokes about Aussies standing on their head or use the
> > >phrase "down under."  Also avoid jokes told in the Crocodile Dundee
> > >movies.  Aussies don't think he is very funny, like Minnesoteans
> > don't
> > >laugh at Garrison Keillor. Don't sing "Waltzing Matilda" with a
> > Yankee
> > >accent.  Well, not unless you want a lot of exercise!  They are your
> > >cousins, but best not remind them of it.  These folks had convict
> > >ancestors, some with a bad temper, and don't mention that, either.
> > The local indian people are the most generous, kind and thoughtfull
> > people
> > on the planet.  They have survived conquest of Incas to Spanish
> > conquistadors with their gentle culture intact through pacifism and
> > strong
> > moral culture of honesty, integrity and hard work.  Nothing is more
> > awe-inspiring than seeing how these people eek out a living from the
> > harsh
> > high altitude land for eons without a single complaint.
> >
> > >Using your rental car battery for 12 volt power, start observing,
> > going
> > >back to the motel in the daytime.  When the sheep start looking
> > good,
> > >pack up and come home right away.
> > You won't have to bring 12-volt batteries unless you want to.  All
> > the
> > power supplies are already there waiting for us.  And when we travel
> > together as a group, year after year, even the airline inspectors
> > know who
> > we are and when we're coming.
> >
> > The hotel at Lake Titicaca is also sitting, waiting for visitors all
> > year
> > 'round with a resident 22" starmaster in the roll-off roof
> > observatory.  Travelers don't need to come with the Star Party, but
> > it
> > obviously has its benefits.
> >
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The clerk at the desk speaks English and can fix ANYTHING.

Can I send my old 10" Meade LX-5 down. Meade can't fix the damn thing after 3 trips to California and $500 it still doesn't work right.

Just joking of course. Someday when I'm rich (hah) I hope to be able to get to both Australia and Bolivia!





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Marcia and I have been talking about Australia for years but haven't had the time and the money at the same time to go. I printed out your message and took it upstairs for her to read. The info interspersed with bits of your famous humor made it a fun read for both of us.


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Darn it. I really wanted to attend that meeting but I'll just be getting out of a very boring hazardous materials seminar in not so Great Bend. Rattsss.


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David,
Have you ever seen the talk I gave about that trip?  A lot of
interesting stuff happened.  I gave the talk in 1986 at a ASKC meeting,
Leanne Jones was prez and pregnant.  

The journey is very safe, just like going to a USA city, and you don't
need to call ahead.  Lots of fun.  But it is a 15 hour plane ride. 
Next time we will get 3 seats together so there is room for our fat
butts.  Wonder if we get 3 luggage allotments, 3 sticky buns and 3 bags
of nuts?
Quantus has a tag of $1222 round trip from LAX to Sydney so 3 tickets
isn't too bad.  They use 747-400 with coach seats 18" on center. 

We were there when the center of our galaxy was straight overhead about
midnight and you could see the shape of it very easy, including the
arms.  I think it was early April.  Beautiful.



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> Marcia and I have been talking about Australia for years but haven't
> had the time and the money at the same time to go. I printed out your
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Har-Har, No David I wasn't one of those bag ladies picking up Coke
bottles living under the bridges. I did spend a lot of time playing
under them though :-) I grew up on the west side off of 23rd St. My
bedroom window faced what was then known as Hospital Hill. The other
side was the bluffs that overlook the American Royal building and the
stock yards. Oh yes and the airport. It was a very interesting place to
live back when you could roam around down there and not have to worry
about getting mugged and chopped into little pieces :-) This was before
they started referring to those places as The Hood. Shelley

 

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I confess I don't have very fond memories of the place. I spent too much
time unloading mail bags from box cars at night in the 60" when I was in
school. What I really want to know is just where exactly did you live at
Union Station?
   I grew up there and would really like to see what they
  are doing. 


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Thanks Jen,
I haven't been there but your description sure sounds better than the
alternative and inviting.

D Trentman




-----Original Message-----
From: Jen Winter - ICSTARS Astronomy [mailto:webmaster@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 2:40 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Australia vs. the Andes

Here are a few reasons we prefer to go to Lake Titicaca rather than
Australia after having been both places:

"Oh, I've been both places several times and the skies are MUCH darker in
Bolivia than in Australia." - Thane Bopp, St. Louis, MO.

>Numbered items were used to describe Australia.  Andean descriptions
follow.
>
>1.  You can speak with the natives
- All the natives know who we are before we get there, look forward to
seeing us to show us their appreciation. And you don't need to speak
spanish to understand each other.

>2.  You can eat the local food and drink the water without Kaopectate
- Ditto....  except we have 5-star fine dining every night for the price of
a big mac.

>3.  There has never been a revolution
The US Embassy is considered the highest court in the country

>4.  The local cops are afraid of the United States Ambassador
The US Ambassador knows who we are (by name).

>5.  Your passport means something
- Ditto...  and we are in the care of those who have hosted kings to
presidents since 1952.

>6.  There are WalMarts, K-Marts and the Colonel everywhere
There are NO walmarts, kmarts or the Colonel everywhere.

>7.  If you keep your mouth shut they don't know you are a tourist
It's different enough that you don't feel like I spent all this money for
everything to look just like the US.

>8.  There are soccer games in every town almost every day
The poor kids play soccer in a grass field inches away from a 2 million
dollar lake-front mountain overlook.

>9.  Fosters is cheaper than milk and on tap in every pub
If you want the cantina opened, they do.  IF you want it closed, they do.

>10. You can lay over in Hawaii, Fiji or New Zealand
You don't have to lay over anywhere and your flight time is measured in
hours not days. and about 1/2 the cost.

>11. It is further south than any other site talked about, -34 degrees
It's the highest public star party in the World.  - far enough south to the
LMC, SMC, 47Tuc, Eta Carina, Jewel Box, tarantula, Alpha and Beta
Centauri... with the milky way filling the entire sky in color - with a sky
so black that the whole thing looks like an elvis painting.

>12. Your money buys more there than here
It's hard to spend $200 in a whole week.

>13. Round trip coach fares are around $1300 from LA
The whole trip with the flight, hotel, transfers, meals, and a ready to use
observatory costs only $1650

>14. You can strike up a conversation because they like your funny accent
You meet avid amateur observers from around the world who are all
interested in what we're doing and are excited to learn and share.

>15. Take in Sydney sightseeing for one day
La Paz... wow.   Glaciers... WOW!  Isla Del Sol, Tiwanacu sun temple and
the Royal Andes.... _WOWW!_

>16. Some of the best wine on earth is made in Australia
The best salmon/trout hybrid is bred and served at our resort.

>17. The money is beautiful and in denominations you know
You don't need to exchange money because the US Dollar is accepted
everywhere.

>18. The seasons are reversed, so you can escape a midwest winter
The weather is dry and cold at night for good observing, warm during the
day for trekking and day-tours.

>19. The phone operator speaks English, kinda
The clerk at the desk speaks English and can fix ANYTHING.

>20. Very tasty fish and chips (shark) is cheap and everywhere
Handicraft shops are everywhere... and if you accidentally pay too much,
the young clerk will chase you down the street to give you your change back.

>      If you seek the Holy Grail you can go out to Ayers Rock/Alice Springs
>but it isn't that much darker and you will have to get across 1400
>miles of open desert.  You also lose most amenities.
We have full amenities, coal-black skies and full service
everywhere.  Porters move our bags, the band plays local music every night,
we're told what time the bus leaves for the tours, and it's so quiet, you
can hear the gravel crackle under your feet..

>Better to rent a car in Sydney and drive 125 miles west into the Blue
>Mountains.  Get a motel and then go ask farmers a few miles out of town
>if you can use their sheep pasture for a few days to observe.  Everyone
>we asked gave us permission and one even served us tea at night.
Better yet, set equipment up and keep it up under guarded protection with
electrical service just a few yards from a warm bed and 24-hour  hot coffee
mess.

>Caveats:
>Don't make any jokes about Aussies standing on their head or use the
>phrase "down under."  Also avoid jokes told in the Crocodile Dundee
>movies.  Aussies don't think he is very funny, like Minnesoteans don't
>laugh at Garrison Keillor. Don't sing "Waltzing Matilda" with a Yankee
>accent.  Well, not unless you want a lot of exercise!  They are your
>cousins, but best not remind them of it.  These folks had convict
>ancestors, some with a bad temper, and don't mention that, either.
The local indian people are the most generous, kind and thoughtfull people
on the planet.  They have survived conquest of Incas to Spanish
conquistadors with their gentle culture intact through pacifism and strong
moral culture of honesty, integrity and hard work.  Nothing is more
awe-inspiring than seeing how these people eek out a living from the harsh
high altitude land for eons without a single complaint.

>Using your rental car battery for 12 volt power, start observing, going
>back to the motel in the daytime.  When the sheep start looking good,
>pack up and come home right away.
You won't have to bring 12-volt batteries unless you want to.  All the
power supplies are already there waiting for us.  And when we travel
together as a group, year after year, even the airline inspectors know who
we are and when we're coming.

The hotel at Lake Titicaca is also sitting, waiting for visitors all year
'round with a resident 22" starmaster in the roll-off roof
observatory.  Travelers don't need to come with the Star Party, but it
obviously has its benefits.







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Stardust Surprise

From: "NASA Science News" <snglist@...>
To: "NASA Science News" <snglist@...>
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 11:12 AM
Subject: Stardust Surprise
 NASA Science News for January 16, 2004
 When NASA's Stardust spacecraft flew by Comet Wild 2 earlier this month,
 the probe saw something that surprised astronomers.
 FULL STORY at
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2004/16jan_stardust.htm?list643644

Try this interactive mars online program
Explore Mars Now

http://www.educationworld.com/awards/2003/r1103-03.shtml

Step right into this interactive Mars habitat.This site offers visitors the 
opportunity to learn about space sciences and technology as they interactively 
explore the Mars base station and rover.

also try other websites I have found which include using rb glasses with your 
computers monitors and other links. 
Locate the pulldown menu at the left and choose what you want and click

Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), 
Olathe, KS. USA

Well Jackie and I had over 40 people at the obervatory sat night. The weather 
was looking iffy but they all made it. None of the people had been to the 
observatory before but were really looking forward to it eventhough we could not 
see stuff with the big scope.

I did my presentation for the Temple Bnai Jehudah on Judiasm and Astronomy 
and once again they all liked it. Jackie also showed many nebula and galaxy 
shots (they wanted to see that stuff on request) and we also showed them Mars 
stuff. They all brough stuff to "nosh" on and that was great too. 

I think two signed up or will , for the club. We took in $124 which was very 
good. 

All we were happy and enjoyed the show etc. Know more these people, teachers 
and kids "know where we live" so they can come to observatory in the future. 
We also told them about T7 and will come out for that later in May or so. 

Thanks again Jackie for the help. It was great to be able to work everything 
up with the projector and the computer so I did not have to shlep my computer 
. Just had to bring the CDs.

Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), 
Olathe, KS. USA

Folks, 

You gotta' see the movie of the Stardust spacecraft fly-by of comet Wild 2 at 

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/     (for today 1/19/04)

Dave H. 


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Thanks David H,

That is great!
Looks like a potato....must be dinner-time.

Kathy





David Hudgins wrote:

>Folks, 
>
>You gotta' see the movie of the Stardust spacecraft fly-by of comet Wild 2 at 
>
>http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/     (for today 1/19/04)
>
>Dave H. 
>  
>

Yo George. I am still trying to convince Pat that we should go to Australia. I have always wanted to go. I printed your list and I am using it for ammo with her. One good thing about going to Australia is that you don't have to take meds just to breathe. I had a little bit of a problem in Bolivia and I am sure that you would be a lot worse off than I was. The sky was inky black down there, and I saw some really neat stuff. Being a little further south in Australia would no doubt make those spectacular things even more perfectly positioned to view. Didn't you tell me that you drove to the Blue mountains in Australia? What was the altitude there? 

Johnny
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: George Allen 
  To: ASKC group 
  Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 1:37 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] south sky


  Having been, I can tell you why going to Australia is a good idea.

  1.  You can speak with the natives
  2.  You can eat the local food and drink the water without Kaopectate
  3.  There has never been a revolution
  4.  The local cops are afraid of the United States Ambassador
  5.  Your passport means something
  6.  There are WalMarts, K-Marts and the Colonel everywhere
  7.  If you keep your mouth shut they don't know you are a tourist
  8.  There are soccer games in every town almost every day
  9.  Fosters is cheaper than milk and on tap in every pub
  10. You can lay over in Hawaii, Fiji or New Zealand 
  11. It is further south than any other site talked about, -34 degrees
  12. Your money buys more there than here
  13. Round trip coach fares are around $1300 from LA
  14. You can strike up a conversation because they like your funny
  accent
  15. Take in Sydney sightseeing for one day
  16. Some of the best wine on earth is made in Australia
  17. The money is beautiful and in denominations you know
  18. The seasons are reversed, so you can escape a midwest winter
  19. The phone operator speaks English, kinda
  20. Very tasty fish and chips (shark) is cheap and everywhere
       
  If you seek the Holy Grail you can go out to Ayers Rock/Alice Springs
  but it isn't that much darker and you will have to get across 1400
  miles of open desert.  You also lose most amenities.

  Better to rent a car in Sydney and drive 125 miles west into the Blue
  Mountains.  Get a motel and then go ask farmers a few miles out of town
  if you can use their sheep pasture for a few days to observe.  Everyone
  we asked gave us permission and one even served us tea at night.

  Caveats:
  Don't make any jokes about Aussies standing on their head or use the
  phrase "down under."  Also avoid jokes told in the Crocodile Dundee
  movies.  Aussies don't think he is very funny, like Minnesoteans don't
  laugh at Garrison Keillor. Don't sing "Waltzing Matilda" with a Yankee
  accent.  Well, not unless you want a lot of exercise!  They are your
  cousins, but best not remind them of it.  These folks had convict
  ancestors, some with a bad temper, and don't mention that, either.

  Using your rental car battery for 12 volt power, start observing, going
  back to the motel in the daytime.  When the sheep start looking good,
  pack up and come home right away.








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Dave,

It looks like a giant, fat, albino hamburger patty!

-Dave Dembinski


"David Hudgins" <dhudgins@...> wrote:

>Folks, 
>
>You gotta' see the movie of the Stardust spacecraft fly-by of comet Wild 2 at 
>
>http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ � � (for today 1/19/04)
>
>Dave H. 
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You are welcome, Eric.  They were a great group, and brave to venture out on
a rainy/sleety night!

Jackie

-----Original Message-----
From: KCStarguy@... [mailto:KCStarguy@...]
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 5:27 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] sat night presentation


Well Jackie and I had over 40 people at the obervatory sat night. The
weather 
was looking iffy but they all made it. None of the people had been to the 
observatory before but were really looking forward to it eventhough we could
not 
see stuff with the big scope.

I did my presentation for the Temple Bnai Jehudah on Judiasm and Astronomy 
and once again they all liked it. Jackie also showed many nebula and galaxy 
shots (they wanted to see that stuff on request) and we also showed them
Mars 
stuff. They all brough stuff to "nosh" on and that was great too. 

I think two signed up or will , for the club. We took in $124 which was very

good. 

All we were happy and enjoyed the show etc. Know more these people, teachers

and kids "know where we live" so they can come to observatory in the future.

We also told them about T7 and will come out for that later in May or so. 

Thanks again Jackie for the help. It was great to be able to work everything

up with the projector and the computer so I did not have to shlep my
computer 
. Just had to bring the CDs.

Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), 
Olathe, KS. USA



 


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Here are a couple of experiments for some of our curious members and a lot
of laughs for the rest.  Need I say any more.

D Trentman




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Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 11:34 AM
To: undisclosed-recipients
Subject: funny




For those with No children - this is totally hysterical! For those who
already have children past this age - this is hilarious. For those who have
children this age - this is not funny. For those who have children nearing
this age - this is a warning. For those who have not yet had children - this
is birth control.

The following came from an anonymous Mother in Austin, Texas.

Things I've learned from my Children (honest & no kidding):

1.  A king size waterbed holds enough water to fill a 2000 sq. ft. house 4
inches deep.

2.  If you spray hair spray on dust bunnies and run over them with roller
blades, they can ignite.

3.  A 3-year old's voice is louder than 200 adults in a crowded restaurant.

4. If you hook a dog leash over a ceiling fan, the motor is not strong
enough to rotate a 42 pound boy wearing Batman underwear and a Superman
cape. It is strong enough, however, if tied to a paint can, to spread paint
on all four walls of a 20x20 ft. room.

5.  You should not throw baseballs up when the ceiling fan is on.  When
using a ceiling fan as a bat, you have to throw the ball up a few times
before you get a hit. A ceiling fan can hit a baseball a long way.

6. The glass in windows (even double-pane) doesn't stop a baseball hit by a
ceiling fan.

7. When you hear the toilet flush and the words "uh oh," it's already too
late.

8. Brake fluid mixed with Clorox makes smoke, and lots of it.

9. A six-year old can start a fire with a flint rock even though a 36-year
old man says they can only do it in the movies.

10. Certain Lego's will pass through the digestive tract of a 4-year old.

11. Play dough and microwave should not be used in the same sentence.

12. Super glue is forever.

13. No matter how much Jell-O you put in a swimming pool you still can't
walk on water.

14. Pool filters do not like Jell-O.

15. VCR's do not eject PB&J sandwiches even though TV commercials show they
do.

16. Garbage bags do not make good parachutes.

17. Marbles in gas tanks make lots of noise when driving.

18. You probably do not want to know what that odor is.

19. Always look in the oven before you turn it on. Plastic toys do not like
ovens.

20. The fire department in Austin, TX has a 5-minute response time.

21. The spin cycle on the washing machine does not make earthworms dizzy.

22. It will, however, make cats dizzy.

23. Cats throw up twice their body weight when dizzy.

24. The mind of a 6-year old is wonderful. First grade..true story: One day
the first grade teacher was reading the story of the Three Little Pigs to
her class. She came to the part of the story where the first pig was trying
to accumulate the building materials for his home. She read, ".....And so
the pig went up to the man with the wheelbarrow full of straw and said,
"Pardon me sir, but may I have some of that straw to build my house?'" The
teacher paused then asked the class, "And what do you think that man said?"
One little boy raised his hand and said, "I think he said...'Holy crap! A
talking pig!" The teacher was unable to teach for the next 10 minutes.

25. 60% of men who read this will try mixing the Clorox and brake fluid






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Who might guess this would happen?
http://heraldsun.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,8446943%255E663,00.html

Heading for the garage when I get home.


> 
> 8. Brake fluid mixed with Clorox makes smoke, and lots of it.
> 
> 
> 25. 60% of men who read this will try mixing the Clorox and brake 
fluid
> 
> 
>

25. 60% of men who read this will try mixing the Clorox and brake fluid 


How did they know??  And where did I put that brake fluid?

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Just pour Clorox in the brake fluid fill point under the hood.  Be sure to
duck as fast as you can!

D Trentman




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To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ASKC] FW: funny

25. 60% of men who read this will try mixing the Clorox and brake fluid


How did they know??  And where did I put that brake fluid?

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25. 60% of men who read this will try mixing the Clorox and brake fluid


Been there, done that. Try mixing brake fluid and HTH (pool chemical). Smoke hell, you can't put out the fire with anything. CO2 doesn't even work since the Calcium Hypochlorate in the HTH provides the oxidizer directly.  Great fun. Be sure to tell the kids!

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I just like using it to clean my carburetors and engine head!
Believe it or not, it works great as an engine cleaner - you just have to 
pour the entire bottle directly into the intake while the engine is running.

Talk about SmmOKE!!!  Airports shut down in adjacent counties it makes so 
much smoke.
Lots of fun to watch the neighbors all come running to see what's on fire!

Great for old engines with sticky valves and carbon build-up.
Feels even better when you put the air cleaner back on, drop the hood and 
jump in the car, driving off with that smug look like you know exactly what 
you're doing and _meant_ to do that.

jen

At 04:58 PM 1/20/04, you wrote:

>25. 60% of men who read this will try mixing the Clorox and brake fluid
>
>
>Been there, done that. Try mixing brake fluid and HTH (pool chemical). 
>Smoke hell, you can't put out the fire with anything. CO2 doesn't even 
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Aw, heck.  Why don't they just admit ALL real men can't walk away from
that one!  I know Clorox mixed with Draino puts out a lot of very
deadly chlorine gas, green, heavy, visible stuff, the stuff they killed
each other with in WW1. We did that one day while cleaning the moss out
of an Air Force shower room.  And a couple whiffs will give you a
nosebleed, but beyond that I can't
guess.                                           
But I know it ain't funny to see 200 G. I.'s standing in the snow half
dressed wondering why the FIRE/EVACUATE alarm went off.   

If you use lye to remove an old mirror coating, don't decide to speed
it up with muriatic acid.  Now, to see if I have some brake fluid  
:-)  

Joe Wright wrote:
> 
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> 
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> fluid
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25.  Make that 61%

Rick Henderson
  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 2:04 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] FW: funny


  Here are a couple of experiments for some of our curious members and a lot
  of laughs for the rest.  Need I say any more.

  D Trentman




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  Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 11:34 AM
  To: undisclosed-recipients
  Subject: funny




  For those with No children - this is totally hysterical! For those who
  already have children past this age - this is hilarious. For those who have
  children this age - this is not funny. For those who have children nearing
  this age - this is a warning. For those who have not yet had children - this
  is birth control.

  The following came from an anonymous Mother in Austin, Texas.

  Things I've learned from my Children (honest & no kidding):

  1.  A king size waterbed holds enough water to fill a 2000 sq. ft. house 4
  inches deep.

  2.  If you spray hair spray on dust bunnies and run over them with roller
  blades, they can ignite.

  3.  A 3-year old's voice is louder than 200 adults in a crowded restaurant.

  4. If you hook a dog leash over a ceiling fan, the motor is not strong
  enough to rotate a 42 pound boy wearing Batman underwear and a Superman
  cape. It is strong enough, however, if tied to a paint can, to spread paint
  on all four walls of a 20x20 ft. room.

  5.  You should not throw baseballs up when the ceiling fan is on.  When
  using a ceiling fan as a bat, you have to throw the ball up a few times
  before you get a hit. A ceiling fan can hit a baseball a long way.

  6. The glass in windows (even double-pane) doesn't stop a baseball hit by a
  ceiling fan.

  7. When you hear the toilet flush and the words "uh oh," it's already too
  late.

  8. Brake fluid mixed with Clorox makes smoke, and lots of it.

  9. A six-year old can start a fire with a flint rock even though a 36-year
  old man says they can only do it in the movies.

  10. Certain Lego's will pass through the digestive tract of a 4-year old.

  11. Play dough and microwave should not be used in the same sentence.

  12. Super glue is forever.

  13. No matter how much Jell-O you put in a swimming pool you still can't
  walk on water.

  14. Pool filters do not like Jell-O.

  15. VCR's do not eject PB&J sandwiches even though TV commercials show they
  do.

  16. Garbage bags do not make good parachutes.

  17. Marbles in gas tanks make lots of noise when driving.

  18. You probably do not want to know what that odor is.

  19. Always look in the oven before you turn it on. Plastic toys do not like
  ovens.

  20. The fire department in Austin, TX has a 5-minute response time.

  21. The spin cycle on the washing machine does not make earthworms dizzy.

  22. It will, however, make cats dizzy.

  23. Cats throw up twice their body weight when dizzy.

  24. The mind of a 6-year old is wonderful. First grade..true story: One day
  the first grade teacher was reading the story of the Three Little Pigs to
  her class. She came to the part of the story where the first pig was trying
  to accumulate the building materials for his home. She read, ".....And so
  the pig went up to the man with the wheelbarrow full of straw and said,
  "Pardon me sir, but may I have some of that straw to build my house?'" The
  teacher paused then asked the class, "And what do you think that man said?"
  One little boy raised his hand and said, "I think he said...'Holy crap! A
  talking pig!" The teacher was unable to teach for the next 10 minutes.

  25. 60% of men who read this will try mixing the Clorox and brake fluid






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Now I know for sure that you guys are just nuts.

Jackie
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  Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 6:34 PM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
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  Aw, heck.  Why don't they just admit ALL real men can't walk away from
  that one!  I know Clorox mixed with Draino puts out a lot of very
  deadly chlorine gas, green, heavy, visible stuff, the stuff they killed
  each other with in WW1. We did that one day while cleaning the moss out
  of an Air Force shower room.  And a couple whiffs will give you a
  nosebleed, but beyond that I can't
  guess.
  But I know it ain't funny to see 200 G. I.'s standing in the snow half
  dressed wondering why the FIRE/EVACUATE alarm went off.

  If you use lye to remove an old mirror coating, don't decide to speed
  it up with muriatic acid.  Now, to see if I have some brake fluid
  :-)

  Joe Wright wrote:
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  > Heading for the garage when I get home.
  >
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  > > 8. Brake fluid mixed with Clorox makes smoke, and lots of it.
  > >
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--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "David Young" <dyoung8@k...> wrote:
> Been there, done that. Try mixing brake fluid and HTH (pool
chemical). Smoke hell, you can't put out the fire with anything. CO2
doesn't even work since the Calcium Hypochlorate in the HTH provides
the oxidizer directly.  Great fun. Be sure to tell the kids!


Kind of like the time my kid filled a 64oz pop bottle with a little
Draino, dropped in a piece of aluminum foil, put the cap back on and
threw it like hell.....I then found out why....It went off like a
stick of dynamite.



Rob

David:

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Meeting 30 minutes early in order to sell ETX-70 AT
raffle tickets. Would like to have the ETX-70 AT there
so I can take pictures of it for the ASKC web-page and
the Cosmic Messenger. See you then.......   Bill
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Just for information sake, could we have a recount of all who are planning to attend this Thursday's meeting with Ed Eilert at Overland Park City Hall at 7:00 p.m.?

I'm planning on going.  Who all else?

Rick Henderson

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Did I start this chatter earlier today?    Well it is interesting.

D Trentman




-----Original Message-----
From: Jackie Beucher [mailto:m31@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 7:43 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ASKC] Re: FW: funny

Now I know for sure that you guys are just nuts.

Jackie
  -----Original Message-----
  From: George Allen [mailto:geonjod@...]
  Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 6:34 PM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] Re: FW: funny


  Aw, heck.  Why don't they just admit ALL real men can't walk away from
  that one!  I know Clorox mixed with Draino puts out a lot of very
  deadly chlorine gas, green, heavy, visible stuff, the stuff they killed
  each other with in WW1. We did that one day while cleaning the moss out
  of an Air Force shower room.  And a couple whiffs will give you a
  nosebleed, but beyond that I can't
  guess.
  But I know it ain't funny to see 200 G. I.'s standing in the snow half
  dressed wondering why the FIRE/EVACUATE alarm went off.

  If you use lye to remove an old mirror coating, don't decide to speed
  it up with muriatic acid.  Now, to see if I have some brake fluid
  :-)

  Joe Wright wrote:
  >
  > Heading for the garage when I get home.
  >
  > >
  > > 8. Brake fluid mixed with Clorox makes smoke, and lots of it.
  > >
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Rick,

I'm willing to go. But wondering what real information we have for him.

Have we gotten any suggestions from Michael Backich?

Where exactly are we meeting him?

Dave H.

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Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 12:15 AM
Subject: [ASKC] Thursday Mtg w/ Ed Eilert


> Just for information sake, could we have a recount of all who are planning
to attend this Thursday's meeting with Ed Eilert at Overland Park City Hall
at 7:00 p.m.?
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That would be me, David Hudgins, Shelley Granger.... and that is all I know
of for sure.  Tim Kristl?

-----Original Message-----
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To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Thursday Mtg w/ Ed Eilert


Just for information sake, could we have a recount of all who are planning
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I'm planning on going.  Who all else?

Rick Henderson

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The meeting is at Overland Park City Hall, conference room #1 at 7 pm.    

Yes, we have been in touch with Michael...

Jackie

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To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
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Rick,

I'm willing to go. But wondering what real information we have for him.

Have we gotten any suggestions from Michael Backich?

Where exactly are we meeting him?

Dave H.

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> Just for information sake, could we have a recount of all who are planning
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         Raise your hand if you have been smoked out of a closed space by 
fumes of Muratic Acid?

It's great at cleaning scum off tubs, concrete and marble... but 
apparently, if you use it strait out of the bottle in a closed space you 
can die in about 2 minutes.  That was fun!


At 09:05 PM 1/20/04, you wrote:
>--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "David Young" <dyoung8@k...> wrote:
> > Been there, done that. Try mixing brake fluid and HTH (pool
>chemical). Smoke hell, you can't put out the fire with anything. CO2
>doesn't even work since the Calcium Hypochlorate in the HTH provides
>the oxidizer directly.  Great fun. Be sure to tell the kids!
>
>
>Kind of like the time my kid filled a 64oz pop bottle with a little
>Draino, dropped in a piece of aluminum foil, put the cap back on and
>threw it like hell.....I then found out why....It went off like a
>stick of dynamite.
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My hand is up. We use it in one to two thousand gallon batches though and most of the time wear respirators. Occaisionally we just stand up wind and pump 100 gallons or so into a small well. One whiff of that stuff will REALLY clear you out. Trouble is you can't see through the tears to get to the klenex ;-) You really don't want to mix anything with chlorine (or hypochorate) compounds with any acid or alkali with out paying very careful attention. Not only can you get chlorine gas, mustard gas, or phosgene gas, you can generate some rather nasty explosive compounds, especially with the acid. You can make some really nifty stuff with amonia too but that's another stupid thing for guys. It is a guy thing I guess. We're all facinated with blowing stuf up.  I paid real close attention in inorganic and organic chemistry class. I just knew that information would come in handy some intoxicated night.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 8:11 AM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] Re: FW: funny



           Raise your hand if you have been smoked out of a closed space by 
  fumes of Muratic Acid?

  It's great at cleaning scum off tubs, concrete and marble... but 
  apparently, if you use it strait out of the bottle in a closed space you 
  can die in about 2 minutes.  That was fun!


  At 09:05 PM 1/20/04, you wrote:
  >--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "David Young" <dyoung8@k...> wrote:
  > > Been there, done that. Try mixing brake fluid and HTH (pool
  >chemical). Smoke hell, you can't put out the fire with anything. CO2
  >doesn't even work since the Calcium Hypochlorate in the HTH provides
  >the oxidizer directly.  Great fun. Be sure to tell the kids!
  >
  >
  >Kind of like the time my kid filled a 64oz pop bottle with a little
  >Draino, dropped in a piece of aluminum foil, put the cap back on and
  >threw it like hell.....I then found out why....It went off like a
  >stick of dynamite.
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That's why they put hidden cameras in child daycare facilities and in homes where nannies are used. There are some sick puppies out there as you know all to well. Leave a helpless person with one of these crazies and you end up with an abused kid or adult.
Clear Skies, 
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  Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 2:17 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] unbelievable


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Any use for the 1gal pure NH3 in my garage.  Used for developing out 
blueprints.

Your going to have the FBI checking out the ASKC with all this talk about bombs and leathal gas. ;-)
Clear Skies, 
Randy
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  Any use for the 1gal pure NH3 in my garage.  Used for developing out 
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Anyone out there use XP? I'm having trouble getting my spell check to work. It won't let me put in a word program in html. It has notebook there and I can't change it. Or do I have another problem?
Clear Skies, 
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  Subject: Re: [ASKC] unbelievable


  That's why they put hidden cameras in child daycare facilities and in homes where nannies are used. There are some sick puppies out there as you know all to well. Leave a helpless person with one of these crazies and you end up with an abused kid or adult.
  Clear Skies, 
  Randy
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Don't let it dry out.
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  Any use for the 1gal pure NH3 in my garage.  Used for developing out 
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Yeah, reminds me of high school.  Some pals and I decided to build a rocket
(steel tube, etc.)  Being the math and science nerd of the team, I was
assigned the hardest part-- nozzle design and fuel composition.  Air Force
Manual on Rocketry (no longer available over the counter, ahem) advised to
NEVER mix potassium perchlorate with any rocket fuel.  So I did and exploded
the fume hood in our science lab.

Just as the noise died down (including the sound of tinkling glass hitting
the floor) the chem prof walked in.  My team and I were sent to the office
where a grim-faced principal said, "Boys, this rocket thing has to stop
RIGHT NOW."

Hard to imagine what would have happened if we had gone ahead anyway--- we
might have had a colony on Mars by now!

Dick H


-----Original Message-----
From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 4:59 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] FW: funny



25. 60% of men who read this will try mixing the Clorox and brake fluid


Been there, done that. Try mixing brake fluid and HTH (pool chemical). Smoke
hell, you can't put out the fire with anything. CO2 doesn't even work since
the Calcium Hypochlorate in the HTH provides the oxidizer directly.  Great
fun. Be sure to tell the kids!

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I use XP (both Home and Pro versions) and have no problem speel chucker.
Have you used it before in Word? If not, you will have to activate it before
you can use it in ANY Windows program.

Dick H


-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Thompson [mailto:randythm@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 2:54 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] unbelievable


Anyone out there use XP? I'm having trouble getting my spell check to work.
It won't let me put in a word program in html. It has notebook there and I
can't change it. Or do I have another problem?
Clear Skies,
Randy
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Randy Thompson
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 2:24 PM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] unbelievable

I just flew in from Chicago and the skies are incredibly transparent
overhead.  I could see ground detail some 60 to 80 miles out.  There is a
band of smokey haze or smog off to the west about 100 miles from here, but
from what I saw from 31,000 feet two hours ago makes for a promising
evening.



Richard Harshaw
Kansas City, MO   USA

"Grandkids are God's reward to you for not killing your kids when they were
younger."






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Sure, Joe.  Any chance you also are getting rid of some acetone and
pseudoepinepherine, maybe got some old Coleman fuel or a can of Red
Devil?  This is not for me, but a guy I met at the game room.  I've no
idea what he want that old crap for.  Maybe he is an inventor? Or an
herbalist?

Joe Wright wrote:
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> Any use for the 1gal pure NH3 in my garage.  Used for developing out
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Oh, sure, like they don't look at a nerdy group that meets in the dark
on lonely gravel roads and use only red lights like us, me and you
excepted, of course.  Anyway, the Patriot Act will protect us.  Well,
most of us.

David, what the heck you put HCL down a wellbore for, to shock it or
clean it? Don't that make the water kinda bitter?  BTW, has the FBI
ever checked one of your holes?

George

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Randy, I've seen that before.  The CIA uses spyware that screws up XP
something awful if they don't install it just right.  

George

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> these crazies and you end up with an abused kid or adult.
>   Clear Skies,
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I'm interested in that special 1 gal ...
How tall is she?
Mike Sterling


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To confirm what Jackie said, yes, both she and I have been in contact with Michael Bakich.  Unfortunately, I have not received as much information from Michael as I had hoped and I have emailed him more than once requesting specific information on equipment and whatever suggestions he could make regarding staffing and program direction.  

So far the only equipment information I have is a model number for the Spitz Starball, a Spitz Space Systems, model STP.  Unfortunately, this model is no longer listed in the current Spitz product line and so far, my email to Spitz requesting additional information has gone unanswered.  I have, this evening, emailed both Michael and Spitz once again, but am somewhat doubtful that I will receive any additional information before the scheduled meeting.

While it would be nice to have an arm load of facts and suggestions to take to Mr. Eilert, at this point we either go ahead with the scheduled meeting and make the best of it or try and postpone it to gain time to meet with other ASKC members and also try to obtain more detailed information about the capabilities and requirements of the planetarium.  I am agreeable to either decision, but we are late in the game if we decide to try and reschedule.

If anyone wants to call, my home office number is 913-663-2737 and I will be up at least until 11:00 p.m.  I will plan on being at the meeting tomorrow unless I am told otherwise by Jackie.

As a very confused, mass transit-challenged friend of mine used to say, Ad astra per omnibus!

Rick Henderson
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Beucher, Jackie 
  To: 'ASKC@yahoogroups.com' 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 7:30 AM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] Thursday Mtg w/ Ed Eilert


  The meeting is at Overland Park City Hall, conference room #1 at 7 pm.    

  Yes, we have been in touch with Michael...

  Jackie

  -----Original Message-----
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  Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 7:17 AM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] Thursday Mtg w/ Ed Eilert


  Rick,

  I'm willing to go. But wondering what real information we have for him.

  Have we gotten any suggestions from Michael Backich?

  Where exactly are we meeting him?

  Dave H.

  ----- Original Message -----
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  To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
  Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 12:15 AM
  Subject: [ASKC] Thursday Mtg w/ Ed Eilert


  > Just for information sake, could we have a recount of all who are planning
  to attend this Thursday's meeting with Ed Eilert at Overland Park City Hall
  at 7:00 p.m.?
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Rick and everyone,

Yes, I'll be there to meet with you and the mayor at 7PM.

 I think that this is just a great opportunity to share with somebody with
some influence our frustration at seeing this brand new beautiful
planetarium and potentially wonderful attraction at Science City simply
being squandered. It is a multi-million dollor educational investment that
is being wasted without ever being givin a chance to prove itself. That's
the argument we need to make.

I've also been trying to reach Doug Patterson at Johnson County Community
College to also attend with us tonight.

Dave H.



----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Henderson" <rhenderson1@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Thursday Mtg w/ Ed Eilert


> To confirm what Jackie said, yes, both she and I have been in contact with
Michael Bakich.  Unfortunately, I have not received as much information from
Michael as I had hoped and I have emailed him more than once requesting
specific information on equipment and whatever suggestions he could make
regarding staffing and program direction.
>
> So far the only equipment information I have is a model number for the
Spitz Starball, a Spitz Space Systems, model STP.  Unfortunately, this model
is no longer listed in the current Spitz product line and so far, my email
to Spitz requesting additional information has gone unanswered.  I have,
this evening, emailed both Michael and Spitz once again, but am somewhat
doubtful that I will receive any additional information before the scheduled
meeting.
>
> While it would be nice to have an arm load of facts and suggestions to
take to Mr. Eilert, at this point we either go ahead with the scheduled
meeting and make the best of it or try and postpone it to gain time to meet
with other ASKC members and also try to obtain more detailed information
about the capabilities and requirements of the planetarium.  I am agreeable
to either decision, but we are late in the game if we decide to try and
reschedule.
>
> If anyone wants to call, my home office number is 913-663-2737 and I will
be up at least until 11:00 p.m.  I will plan on being at the meeting
tomorrow unless I am told otherwise by Jackie.
>
> As a very confused, mass transit-challenged friend of mine used to say, Ad
astra per omnibus!
>
> Rick Henderson
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Beucher, Jackie
>   To: 'ASKC@yahoogroups.com'
>   Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 7:30 AM
>   Subject: RE: [ASKC] Thursday Mtg w/ Ed Eilert
>
>
>   The meeting is at Overland Park City Hall, conference room #1 at 7 pm.
>
>   Yes, we have been in touch with Michael...
>
>   Jackie
>
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: David Hudgins [mailto:dhudgins@...]
>   Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 7:17 AM
>   To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: Re: [ASKC] Thursday Mtg w/ Ed Eilert
>
>
>   Rick,
>
>   I'm willing to go. But wondering what real information we have for him.
>
>   Have we gotten any suggestions from Michael Backich?
>
>   Where exactly are we meeting him?
>
>   Dave H.
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: "Rick Henderson" <rhenderson1@...>
>   To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
>   Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 12:15 AM
>   Subject: [ASKC] Thursday Mtg w/ Ed Eilert
>
>
>   > Just for information sake, could we have a recount of all who are
planning
>   to attend this Thursday's meeting with Ed Eilert at Overland Park City
Hall
>   at 7:00 p.m.?
>   >
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Thanks, David.   That is EXACTLY what we need to express to him.   And I
know that we will.

I will see you all there at 7 PM...

Jackie

-----Original Message-----
From: David Hudgins [mailto:dhudgins@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 8:15 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Thursday Mtg w/ Ed Eilert


Rick and everyone,

Yes, I'll be there to meet with you and the mayor at 7PM.

 I think that this is just a great opportunity to share with somebody with
some influence our frustration at seeing this brand new beautiful
planetarium and potentially wonderful attraction at Science City simply
being squandered. It is a multi-million dollor educational investment that
is being wasted without ever being givin a chance to prove itself. That's
the argument we need to make.

I've also been trying to reach Doug Patterson at Johnson County Community
College to also attend with us tonight.

Dave H.



----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Henderson" <rhenderson1@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Thursday Mtg w/ Ed Eilert


> To confirm what Jackie said, yes, both she and I have been in contact with
Michael Bakich.  Unfortunately, I have not received as much information from
Michael as I had hoped and I have emailed him more than once requesting
specific information on equipment and whatever suggestions he could make
regarding staffing and program direction.
>
> So far the only equipment information I have is a model number for the
Spitz Starball, a Spitz Space Systems, model STP.  Unfortunately, this model
is no longer listed in the current Spitz product line and so far, my email
to Spitz requesting additional information has gone unanswered.  I have,
this evening, emailed both Michael and Spitz once again, but am somewhat
doubtful that I will receive any additional information before the scheduled
meeting.
>
> While it would be nice to have an arm load of facts and suggestions to
take to Mr. Eilert, at this point we either go ahead with the scheduled
meeting and make the best of it or try and postpone it to gain time to meet
with other ASKC members and also try to obtain more detailed information
about the capabilities and requirements of the planetarium.  I am agreeable
to either decision, but we are late in the game if we decide to try and
reschedule.
>
> If anyone wants to call, my home office number is 913-663-2737 and I will
be up at least until 11:00 p.m.  I will plan on being at the meeting
tomorrow unless I am told otherwise by Jackie.
>
> As a very confused, mass transit-challenged friend of mine used to say, Ad
astra per omnibus!
>
> Rick Henderson
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Beucher, Jackie
>   To: 'ASKC@yahoogroups.com'
>   Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 7:30 AM
>   Subject: RE: [ASKC] Thursday Mtg w/ Ed Eilert
>
>
>   The meeting is at Overland Park City Hall, conference room #1 at 7 pm.
>
>   Yes, we have been in touch with Michael...
>
>   Jackie
>
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: David Hudgins [mailto:dhudgins@...]
>   Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 7:17 AM
>   To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: Re: [ASKC] Thursday Mtg w/ Ed Eilert
>
>
>   Rick,
>
>   I'm willing to go. But wondering what real information we have for him.
>
>   Have we gotten any suggestions from Michael Backich?
>
>   Where exactly are we meeting him?
>
>   Dave H.
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: "Rick Henderson" <rhenderson1@...>
>   To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
>   Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 12:15 AM
>   Subject: [ASKC] Thursday Mtg w/ Ed Eilert
>
>
>   > Just for information sake, could we have a recount of all who are
planning
>   to attend this Thursday's meeting with Ed Eilert at Overland Park City
Hall
>   at 7:00 p.m.?
>   >
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We have had a request from the Kansas Star Base to help them with a 
Star Lab at the Science Night at Fanklin Elementry School in 
Liberty, MO.  

Feb. 23rd Monday night
6-8pm

Please let David or I know if you can help.

Joe

Hey, Liberty is in my back yard (almost).  Count on me as a helper!

Dick Harshaw


-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Wright [mailto:jswright@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 1:19 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Star Lab


We have had a request from the Kansas Star Base to help them with a 
Star Lab at the Science Night at Fanklin Elementry School in 
Liberty, MO.  

Feb. 23rd Monday night
6-8pm

Please let David or I know if you can help.

Joe





 

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Should Feb. 21st be a black out for private night reservations?  
This is the night of the special GM (David Levy).  I really don't 
wish to schedule a group and cause anyone to miss the presentation.  

There is a reservation pending.  The group is willing to reschedule 
if need be.


Joe

I would hate for any Society member to miss a chance to be with David Levy
because we had a group scheduled at Powell.  If your prospective guests are
willing to re-schedule, I am sure the members who would otherwise have to
staff it would appreciate a reschedule.

Dick H.


-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Wright [mailto:jswright@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 2:06 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Feb 21


Should Feb. 21st be a black out for private night reservations?
This is the night of the special GM (David Levy).  I really don't
wish to schedule a group and cause anyone to miss the presentation.

There is a reservation pending.  The group is willing to reschedule
if need be.


Joe






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I totally agree with THAT!   Tell them instead to come and hear David.   We
were also going to bring him down to Powell after the meeting, as I
recall...  

jackie

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Wright [mailto:jswright@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 2:06 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Feb 21


Should Feb. 21st be a black out for private night reservations?  
This is the night of the special GM (David Levy).  I really don't 
wish to schedule a group and cause anyone to miss the presentation.  

There is a reservation pending.  The group is willing to reschedule 
if need be.


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Honestly Jackie, I couldn't remember if we discussed taking him to 
Powell as we did Ken.  I will be informing the Troop in a bit about 
the situation.  I informed the leader that it would probably be 
closed to reservations for that night.  

Joe

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Here is what we have scheduled for the 21st:

2:00pm - 3 or 4pm Linda Hall Library is organized to be open with the Rare 
book collection.

7:00pm - 9:00 or 10pm General Meeting at Royall Hall, UMKC
immediately afterwards, David will sign books outside the meeting.

10:00pm (approximately) David will head to Powell Observatory.
The Board agreed that the observatory should be closed to reservations so 
David could enjoy more private time touring the observatory with club members.

I will make an announcement at the January General Meeting.


At 02:35 PM 1/22/04, you wrote:
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It looks like Spirit might be in trouble........

http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/space/01/22/spirit.contact/index.html

Are there more details on the Linda Hall Library rare book display?  Is this open to the public, to ASKC members or to invited guests only?

Rick Henderson
  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 4:39 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] Feb 21 David Levy Schedule


  Here is what we have scheduled for the 21st:

  2:00pm - 3 or 4pm Linda Hall Library is organized to be open with the Rare 
  book collection.

  7:00pm - 9:00 or 10pm General Meeting at Royall Hall, UMKC
  immediately afterwards, David will sign books outside the meeting.

  10:00pm (approximately) David will head to Powell Observatory.
  The Board agreed that the observatory should be closed to reservations so 
  David could enjoy more private time touring the observatory with club members.

  I will make an announcement at the January General Meeting.


  At 02:35 PM 1/22/04, you wrote:
  >Honestly Jackie, I couldn't remember if we discussed taking him to
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All ASKC members are invited to visit the Linda Hall Library for this 
special event.   It has been opened-up specifically for us and our guest, 
Mr. Levy.

jen

At 05:38 PM 1/22/04, you wrote:
>Are there more details on the Linda Hall Library rare book display?  Is 
>this open to the public, to ASKC members or to invited guests only?
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Get your thinking caps on.

Here is the problem.

I need to convert psi to lbft.  I am figuring out the force is to 
unstick a rear glass in a car when a torque is applied to the 
tightening nut on a rear wiper that protrudes through the glass at 
the bottom of the window.  So pounds per square inch (shear force)to 
unstick the sealant (at %RH) when torqued by the wiper nut.

Just another day at GM.

Joe
913-573-7586

Try Pound per square inch (lb/in2 = PSI).

David F.


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  Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 8:04 AM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [ASKC] conversion


  Get your thinking caps on.

  Here is the problem.

  I need to convert psi to lbft.  I am figuring out the force is to
  unstick a rear glass in a car when a torque is applied to the
  tightening nut on a rear wiper that protrudes through the glass at
  the bottom of the window.  So pounds per square inch (shear force)to
  unstick the sealant (at %RH) when torqued by the wiper nut.

  Just another day at GM.

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No that's not it.. You are looking for Pressure to Torque Converter... or
Torque to Pressure ..

David F.
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  Try Pound per square inch (lb/in2 = PSI).

  David F.


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    Get your thinking caps on.

    Here is the problem.

    I need to convert psi to lbft.  I am figuring out the force is to
    unstick a rear glass in a car when a torque is applied to the
    tightening nut on a rear wiper that protrudes through the glass at
    the bottom of the window.  So pounds per square inch (shear force)to
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Yeah.  Torque (Nm(J)-lbft) to pressure (N-psi). We are using EFx, 
EFy & EFm.  Summation of forces and moments.  We picking 4 points 
along the window edge.  At 2.7 hours after the window is installed, 
we will test the torque on the wiper motor and go from there.

Thanks,

Joe

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Where is the lecture sat night? same place at umkc? I guess the one in Feb is some other place - where are the directions?

Dr.Eric

All are going to be at our regular place at UMKC in Royall Hall.

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Where is the lecture sat night? same place at umkc? I guess the one in Feb
is some other place - where are the directions?

Dr.Eric



 


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Eric:

I don't recall any discussion of venue being changed, only the date 
of the February general meeting.  I am going with same bat time, 
same bat place for tomorrow and only different date in Feb.

Joe

How did last night's meeting with OP Mayor Eilert go?

Rich Hathaway

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--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "David Hudgins" <dhudgins@k...> wrote:

> Rick and everyone,
> 
> Yes, I'll be there to meet with you and the mayor at 7PM.
> 
>  I think that this is just a great opportunity to share with 
somebody with
> some influence our frustration at seeing this brand new beautiful
> planetarium and potentially wonderful attraction at Science City 
simply
> being squandered. It is a multi-million dollor educational 
investment that
> is being wasted without ever being givin a chance to prove itself. 
That's
> the argument we need to make.
> 
> I've also been trying to reach Doug Patterson at Johnson County 
Community
> College to also attend with us tonight.
> 
> Dave H.

The February meeting is to be held at the same location - Royall Hall
at the same time of day:  7:00pm

__All that has changed is the date, from 28Feb to 21Feb.__



Club members are also welcome to join us earlier on Saturday for a viewing 
of the rare astronomy books at Linda Hall Library.

(( I think the confusion came from the map printed on the last Cosmic 
Messenger.  I am not clear what the map was...  It may have been a map to 
the League office. ))

January's meeting is at the same place.

jen

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Well, I think it went pretty good!   We all had our say, and "enlightened"
him.   Tim Kristl brought some good support documents that illustrated some
of the problem.   Mr. Eilert knows a lot more about astronomy in the metro
area now, for sure.

Jackie

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 4:03 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Re: Thursday Mtg w/ Ed Eilert


How did last night's meeting with OP Mayor Eilert go?

Rich Hathaway

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> Rick and everyone,
> 
> Yes, I'll be there to meet with you and the mayor at 7PM.
> 
>  I think that this is just a great opportunity to share with 
somebody with
> some influence our frustration at seeing this brand new beautiful
> planetarium and potentially wonderful attraction at Science City 
simply
> being squandered. It is a multi-million dollor educational 
investment that
> is being wasted without ever being givin a chance to prove itself. 
That's
> the argument we need to make.
> 
> I've also been trying to reach Doug Patterson at Johnson County 
Community
> College to also attend with us tonight.
> 
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Yes, I think the map on the back of the last Cosmic Messenger was supposed to be for the League Office, but the address was wrong.

The office is at 9201 WARD PARKWAY, not Wornal Rd.

There was no caption to the map, so maybe it was for something else?

-scott

Not only that, Scott, but we should say it's in the United Missouri Bank
bldg, lower level.    The lobby door is locked on Sundays, so you (someone)
will have to let folks in.   Anyone going can call the League office,
333-7759, and will be let in.  

Jackie

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Yes, I think the map on the back of the last Cosmic Messenger was supposed
to be for the League Office, but the address was wrong.

The office is at 9201 WARD PARKWAY, not Wornal Rd.

There was no caption to the map, so maybe it was for something else?

-scott




 

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Rich and everyone,

Yes as Jackie said, we think it went extremely well.

Several of us (Rick Henderson, Jackie Beucher, Tim Kristl, Shelly Granger,
Roger Grueke and me) got to talk for over an hour with Mayor Eilert about
the Science City planetarium problem. He is on the Bi-State Commision that
partially funds Science City and so has considerable clout. The mayor is
genuinely disturbed about this plan to eliminate the planetarium after the
citizens of both states have spent millions on Science City.

We gave him a lot of information disputing Turner White's idea that "nobody
in KC is intersted in astronomy", and the fact the SC has never really had
any real planetarium program to demonstrate that interest. Tim brought a lot
of good information about how cities much smaller than KC support a robust
planetarium, along with other contacts and information about modern
planetarium programs that SC has never even tried. We talked about what kind
of financial investment (our guesses) it might take to get something going,
including bringing someone knowledgable in to either do a real business
analysis or act as planetarium director to create programs and interface
with the community.

Mayor Eilert had a lot of notes as we finished, and seemed to seriously be
interested in trying to intercede. But it is a serious question of money, so
he certainly did not attempt to promise us anything. We volunteered to
provide any addditional information or support at further discussions on the
future of the SC planetarium.

Who knows where this will lead? Well, it would not have gotten this far
without several letters I know from Tim Kristl and Rick Henderson (maybe
others?) lighting a few fires. Sometimes all it takes is one good man or
woman to get the ball rolling!!

Dave H.


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> How did last night's meeting with OP Mayor Eilert go?
>
> Rich Hathaway
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> ----------------------------------------------------
> --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "David Hudgins" <dhudgins@k...> wrote:
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> > Rick and everyone,
> >
> > Yes, I'll be there to meet with you and the mayor at 7PM.
> >
> >  I think that this is just a great opportunity to share with
> somebody with
> > some influence our frustration at seeing this brand new beautiful
> > planetarium and potentially wonderful attraction at Science City
> simply
> > being squandered. It is a multi-million dollor educational
> investment that
> > is being wasted without ever being givin a chance to prove itself.
> That's
> > the argument we need to make.
> >
> > I've also been trying to reach Doug Patterson at Johnson County
> Community
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Wow. Sounds like you guys were _prepared_. Thanks to all of you from 
all of us, for representing our position so well.

I'm embarrassed to admit that I'm one of those who didn't even know 
there was a planetarium at Science City.
 
Thanks again, guys!

Rich Hathaway

=====Dave Hudgins wrote (snip)=====

>>Tim brought a lot of good information about how cities much smaller 
than KC support a robust planetarium, along with other contacts and 
information about modern planetarium programs that SC has never even 
tried. We talked about what kind of financial investment (our 
guesses) it might take to get something going, including bringing 
someone knowledgeable in to either do a real business analysis or act 
as planetarium director to create programs and interface with the 
community.<<

David, what the heck you put HCL down a wellbore for, to shock it or
clean it? 

It's used to clean rust and mineral deposits. After the acid has a chance to do it's job the well is pumped to a large tank and the residual is neutalized with sodium hydroxide compound. When it's up to pH 6 it can be dumped down the sewer.

Don't that make the water kinda bitter? 
After the treatment we typically pump a few hundred thousand gallons to waster before returning the well to service.

 BTW, has the FBI
ever checked one of your holes?

I'm licensed and have special certification to use this stuff so I've never had a body cavity search ;-)



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Hi all:

On monday evening while attending the meeting of the Roanoke Valley
Astrononomical Society, I was reminded of a project sponsored by NASA and
the Astrononomical Society of the Pacific.  It is the Night Sky Network.  In
exchange for doing outreach programs in your community, NASA will provide
your club with kits to assist in your outreach efforts.  What a great way to
get more people involved in this great hobby of ours.  So I would like to
encourage all clubs to become part of the Night Sky Network.  Go to the
following website:  http://nightsky.jpl.nasa.gov/index.cfm  and sign up
today.

clear skies,
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Hello this is your librarian asking that everyone please take a few mins
and look for any ASKC books or videos you have laying around and bring
them to the meeting please! Thanks!!!

 Shelley



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I was watching the NASA TV stream on the Opportunity landing.  The 
rover has landed safely and has transmitted data back via Global 
Surveyor.  Sounds like It is off to a good start.

--James Pageau

Amazing pictures! I didn't see any of the scattered rocks we're so used to seeing. It looks more like a smooth plane. Nice outcrop of "slabby" rocks right in front of the primary egress platform. Might be lava, might be sedimentary. Cool.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: James Pageau 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 11:45 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] 2nd Rover On Mars!!!


  I was watching the NASA TV stream on the Opportunity landing.  The 
  rover has landed safely and has transmitted data back via Global 
  Surveyor.  Sounds like It is off to a good start.

  --James Pageau









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Mysterious Object Caught On Video Over Kansas City Sky



http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/2780356/detail.html


Mysterious Object Caught On Video Over Kansas City Sky

NORAD Says It Did Not Track Object

NBCSandiego.com

January 21, 2004


A security camera from a downtown energy corporation

captured a bizarre sight in the eastern sky over

Kansas City last week.


The video shows an object that appears to be slowly

falling in the sky around 8:30 a.m. on Jan. 14.


Bob Lindsay, a security worker at Trigen Energy Plant,

spotted the object on security monitors and asked a

co-worker to zoom in on the mysterious image.


"It had the appearance of more of a really light

yellow -- wasn't quite white, wasn't quite yellow,"

Lindsay said.


Lindsay believes he saw a long vessel, like a missile

or rocket aircraft with flames shooting over the nose

and up its sides. The staff at Trigen has come up with

several theories about the nature of the strange

image.


"We got UFOs, we got experimental airplanes -- a jumbo

jet maybe? 

There's a lot of guesses going around," Lindsay said.


Kansas City TV station KMBC-TV showed the tape to

astronomer Tom Armstrong, who has worked extensively

with NASA.


Armstrong guessed the object could be man-made space

debris, but it's more likely just a meteor skimming

across the atmosphere.


"If you've watched a meteor shower and you put this at

night against a star background, you'd probably think

meteor," Armstrong said.


He added that meteors often give off what looks like a

long tale.


The North American Aerospace Defense Command, known as

NORAD, said it was not tracking any man-made space

junk reentering the atmosphere on Jan. 14.

The digital workshop was fun. I was able to connect a few ideas that I needed 
to fine out to more with astro images and pictures in general.
Thanks. Do we owe anything for the donuts and coffee?

Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), 
Olathe, KS. USA

We want to publicly thank David & Marsha Young  for the time they spent
today shining a light on the digital photo path for us.

It was all worth staying over and finishing the weekend by driving home
the 220 miles at 35-40 mph for the last half, as we crept north.  We
found our driveway under 5 inches of undisturbed, fresh snow, and more
coming down.  

They saith we may expect to awake to 12 inches of white cold in the
morrow.  Prithee the aged snow blower doth start on first summons.
Would that your company remembereth we artic kith in thy vespers, for
this siege shall be long and pitiless.

Geo 'n' JoDee

You say your to get 12" additional snow. Wow. We are expecting 1/2" to 2". Jodee take a sick day!!!
Clear Skies,
Randy
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: George Allen 
  To: ASKC group 
  Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 11:00 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] workshop


  We want to publicly thank David & Marsha Young  for the time they spent
  today shining a light on the digital photo path for us.

  It was all worth staying over and finishing the weekend by driving home
  the 220 miles at 35-40 mph for the last half, as we crept north.  We
  found our driveway under 5 inches of undisturbed, fresh snow, and more
  coming down.  

  They saith we may expect to awake to 12 inches of white cold in the
  morrow.  Prithee the aged snow blower doth start on first summons.
  Would that your company remembereth we artic kith in thy vespers, for
  this siege shall be long and pitiless.

  Geo 'n' JoDee








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Randy Thompson wrote:
> 
> You say your to get 12" additional snow. Wow. We are expecting 1/2"
> to 2". Jodee take a sick day!!!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

SHE DID!!!  Hey, all bundled up on the hilltop in a winter wonderland,
warm and cozy, cornbread in the oven and chili in the pot.  The deer
are lying in the west ravine, curled up, and only one has her head up. 
Puppy went out to tinkle, got 18 inches from the door, lifted one foot,
and committed himself.  

The evergreen trees are living Christmas cards, boughs bent in salute
to Mother Nature who rules, and you need only to look out the window to
see the evidence.  The Iowa cornfields are all white, there are flakes
aplenty in the air.  No external sounds reach us in our temporary
Valhalla.  Today, we lack nothing but youth. 

After breakfast we will watch "Meet Me in Saint Louis" with Judy
Garland, my childhood crush Margaret O'Brien, Mary Astor, and other
actual actors. The 1944 movie, in which the actor moves and the camera
does not, portrays the summer of 1903 during which St. Louis became the
center of many persons world.  The snow which blocks the sidewalks and
lane can wait until tomorrow, we're in no hurry.  

Wish you were here...

Geo 'n' JoDee

George:

Sounds great.  Only thing I would add is a crackling fire.  I just 
replied to an agent to send me direction or coords for some places 
near Cowgill.  Ranging from 30 to 120 acres.  A little farther than 
I wanted, but good prices and dark location.  Only puddles in this 
neck of the woods.  I keep teasing Rita that she will have to learn 
how to make bread and can veggies if we move.  I'm looking forward 
to the day I can design and build my observatory.  Well, enought day 
dreaming, back to work.

Joe

We'll do another one in a month or two. Now that we've done one, we know a little more about how to go about it. I learned a few things about how to create and manipulate selections and layers. Someone else can bring the donuts next time. Carrol and Betty provided the coffee this time. We difinitely need a projector and several red laser pointers!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: KCStarguy@... 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 3:49 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] digital workshop


  The digital workshop was fun. I was able to connect a few ideas that I needed 
  to fine out to more with astro images and pictures in general.
  Thanks. Do we owe anything for the donuts and coffee?

  Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), 
  Olathe, KS. USA








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Bill Boyle,

Can't find your email just now so I'll broadcast spam everyone.

I found the tripod bracket for the ETX 70AT. Remind me and I'll bring it to the next GM.

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: Louisburg Chamber of Commerce 
To: Louisburg Chamber of Commerce 
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 12:49 PM
Subject: Louisburg Chamber


Hello Chamber member,

Here are some scheduled Chamber dates coming up.

Friday, Jan. 30 at 10 A.M. - new member coffee for Mike Miller, Louisburg Auto Body, Inc.  at  301 S. Metcalf in Louisburg.

Thursday, Feb 5,  5:30 - 7:00 P.M. - After Hours Business Mixer hosted by Reece & Nichols Real Estate Connection at
602 W. Amity in Louisburg.  No charge and guests are welcome.

Saturday, Feb. 7, 7:00 A.M. - Louisburg Legislative Breakfast at Louisburg High School. No charge, public invited.

Hope to see you soon - this Friday a.m.

Thanks,
Patsy Bortner





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David, I'm happy to hear that you plan another Photoshop session in a month
or so. Please sign me up. : ^ )

Dave H.


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Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: [ASKC] digital workshop


> We'll do another one in a month or two. Now that we've done one, we know a
little more about how to go about it. I learned a few things about how to
create and manipulate selections and layers. Someone else can bring the
donuts next time. Carrol and Betty provided the coffee this time. We
difinitely need a projector and several red laser pointers!
>   ----- Original Message -----
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>   To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 3:49 PM
>   Subject: [ASKC] digital workshop
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>
>   The digital workshop was fun. I was able to connect a few ideas that I
needed
>   to fine out to more with astro images and pictures in general.
>   Thanks. Do we owe anything for the donuts and coffee?
>
>   Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...),
>   Olathe, KS. USA
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> We'll do another one in a month or two. Now that we've done one, we
> know a little more about how to go about it. I learned a few things
> about how to create and manipulate selections and layers. Someone
> else can bring the donuts next time. Carrol and Betty provided the
> coffee this time. We difinitely need a projector and several red
> laser pointers!

David,
I had a red laser pointer with me, but figured you all would object if
I waved it around a workshop table.
George

Good luck Joe.  Finding a place or even a building site, is real
tough.  and if you find one, take a sedative before asking the price. 
Escaping the city lights while commuting to a city job is a paradox. 
We got very, very lucky after 2 years of searching, and found a couple
who had built in the country, and then got disillusioned.  We were the
first buyers to see the place and signed before they knew what they
were doing. So when you start looking, have your hammer at full cock
and your earnest money in your pocket.

BTW, what is that word, "work?"

George
  
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Joe Wright wrote:
> 
> George:
> 
> Sounds great.  Only thing I would add is a crackling fire.  I just
> replied to an agent to send me direction or coords for some places
> near Cowgill.  Ranging from 30 to 120 acres.  A little farther than
> I wanted, but good prices and dark location.  Only puddles in this
> neck of the woods.  I keep teasing Rita that she will have to learn
> how to make bread and can veggies if we move.  I'm looking forward
> to the day I can design and build my observatory.  Well, enought day
> dreaming, back to work.
> 
> Joe
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Yeah,"WORK" is a four letter word!
Clear Skies,
Randy
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  Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 2:09 PM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] Re: workshop


  Good luck Joe.  Finding a place or even a building site, is real
  tough.  and if you find one, take a sedative before asking the price. 
  Escaping the city lights while commuting to a city job is a paradox. 
  We got very, very lucky after 2 years of searching, and found a couple
  who had built in the country, and then got disillusioned.  We were the
  first buyers to see the place and signed before they knew what they
  were doing. So when you start looking, have your hammer at full cock
  and your earnest money in your pocket.

  BTW, what is that word, "work?"

  George
    
  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

  Joe Wright wrote:
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  > I wanted, but good prices and dark location.  Only puddles in this
  > neck of the woods.  I keep teasing Rita that she will have to learn
  > how to make bread and can veggies if we move.  I'm looking forward
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: Kay Heley 
To: David Young 
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 9:11 AM
Subject: RE: Scheduling a school night at Powell


Any chance any of you guys could come with some of your telescopes on Thursday, March 11 from 6:00 - 8:00 p.m.?  We're having a "science show" from 6:30-7:15, so you could come 7:15-8:00 if it's clear enough, or the whole time to just show off your telescope.  This would be at East Antioch Elementary 7345 Lowell, between Metcalf and Antioch.  Info about Powell would be great to handout, etc.  Schedule of events, etc.  Let me know.  Kay
-----Original Message-----
From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 5:31 PM
To: Kay Heley
Subject: Re: Scheduling a school night at Powell


I have you down for 6:00 on Friday November 21.

Please leave me a contact phone number. 
Please re-confirm 2 days prior to the scheduled night for a last minute weather check and reminder to me in case I have a brain cramp.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Kay Heley 
  To: dyoung8@... 
  Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 4:29 PM
  Subject: Scheduling a school night at Powell


  I was wondering about Nov. 21 for an East Antioch night at Powell - our 3rd attempt due to weather.  Let me know if that works for you.  Thanks!  Kay

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ASKCONLINE" <askconline@...>
To: <Eric.Reynolds@...>
Cc: "David Young" <dyoung8@...>
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 3:38 PM
Subject: Re: spring event


> I have forwarded your email to David Young, our president. He can make a
> formal announcement to see if anyone would be available, depending on the
> date(s).
> Rob Robinson - ASKC webmaster
>
> At 03:31 PM 1/26/04 -0500, you wrote:
> >Hello...
> >I was selected to be a JPL "Solar System Ambassador" for my area of
Overland
> >Park for 2004.  Part of my responsibility will be to hold events that
> >showcase JPL missions.
> >I plan to hold my first event at my residence this spring for 5th graders
at
> >from a nearby school and as part of that will have a mini star party for
> >viewing some of JPL's destinations such as Saturn (particularly Saturn
with
> >the up-coming Cassini-Huygens mission), Mars and the Moon sometime around
> >its first quarter.
> >Do you know if anyone in the society would be interested in attending
with
> >'scope?  Although I'm in Overland Park, we're a little ways out and our
> >skies are pretty dark considering (and there are no street lights in our
> >neighborhood).  I don't have a date yet, but I'm thinking April or early
May
> >timeframe.
> >Thanks,
> >Eric Reynolds
>

David:

      The tripod bracket would be a great place to put
the Autostar hand controller. You and Marsha did a
great job on the Adobe Photoshop clinic at the League
Office. <Sure have alot more to learn about
Photoshop!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!        Bill
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KCStarguy@... wrote:
I was thumbing through my issue of astronomy magazine Jan 04 P.16-17 and 
found this article article by Bob Berman.
I looked closer. Here are are some of the results you all might be interested 
in.

# 5 stupid question
(regarding a presentation of the Europe 1999 eclipse one person asked" And 
during the eclipse , where will the Moon be? " 


#4 stupid question
a high school senior "if the Sun is a star, why can't we see it at night?"

#3 stupid question
another high school senior asked after seeing a photograph of the Earth " 
What keeps the blue from falling off?"

#2 stupid question
a man asked " if the stars are so huge , how did the astronauts steer around 
them ont he way to the Moon?" 

and #1 stupid question
are you read ?????
:
:
:
after listening to a radio announcing that you should not stare at a solar 
eclipse , a woman called an asked the radio station " if the eclipse is so 
dangerous , why are they having it? "


Dr.Eric Flescher
 7 total solar eclipses and counting: 
webmaster Eric's Black Sun Eclipse website - 
<http://members.aol.com/kcstarguy/blacksun/eclipse.htm.
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(eclipse/astronomy news) to subscribe send email to 
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I've reserved the 10 feet x 30" scope for personal observing this Friday from 
darkthirty 'till whenever.  All are welcome.  If you can make it send me an 
email, as I try to have some munchies available.  If it's a last minute 
decision - come anyway  :).  This is free night on me.  Great for families and teens. 
 If you have binoculars bring those too!
Mike Sterling
Kansas City Astronomical Society

FYI ... (copy of previous notice with additional info - sky objects are 
applicable for Jan 30 also)
I've reserved the observatory for my personal use.  About 30 came out last 
time and we had a great sky.  You're welcome to come see the wonders of the 
night sky!  Bring your friends and family.
The moon will be out early-  Ring nebula is an early evening possibility - 
Saturn with rings and several of it's moons- multiple globular & open clusters - 
  Jupiter and the dance of it's moons begin a little after 10pm.  The Great 
Nebula of Orion ...
Map and info at:       askconline.org   
This is the second largest scope in a 5 state area- 30"x 10 feet - ck its pic 
out on the above web site.
Since ASKC is non profit and the observatory was built and run by volunteers 
any donation will of course be accepted but, tonight is on me.
We have a meeting room with rest rooms, very small kitchen with some snacks 
available for purchase.  I'll put on a pot of coffee.  Come on down and be 
wowed!!!  Teens love it. Dress warm.
Mike Sterling
cell 816-456-7468 Friday only...

Cloud forecast for Friday is mostly clear at this point.  If the clouds look 
bad - ck with me or make an executive decision! ... 
My drive time from Gladstone is about 50 min - from downtown is 30 min - 
Overland Park 20 min - map on website    askconline.org   for map & directions and 
pics.  Blue boxes on the left - 5th blue box down "Powell Observatory"  -  
click on it  -  map at bottom of page.
NOTE:  From the North:  GOING SOUTH ON  I35 - you take the "2nd" 69 South 
exit -  exit 225b.  This is after the  75th Street exit .  If you take the first 
'69' South exit, this will take you through Overland Park with all the stop 
lights.  YOU WANT EXIT 225B




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didn't mean to send the one with all the info u already know - sorry ...
and
it is this Friday Jan 30  (not the 20th)
ALSO - if anyone wants to practice a presentation - here's a great night for 
it!!!
Mike Sterling


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Is anyone else having problems going to the yahoo site?  All my 
egroups are coming up with unavailible message each day.  This just 
started last week.

Thanks,

Joe

Not me Joe. Everything seems to be working fine.

Gary
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Joe Wright [mailto:jswright@...]
  Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 5:34 PM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [ASKC] yahoo


  Is anyone else having problems going to the yahoo site?  All my
  egroups are coming up with unavailible message each day.  This just
  started last week.

  Thanks,

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I sent the 'oops' posting at 11:50 AM - How come the posting hit the board at 
5:22 PM - Is it just the roll of the dice - or am I doing something wrong on 
my end?  No big deal - just curious.  And if there is a time sensitive note is 
the future - hmmmmm   :)  Just as a looksee - I'm sending this at 5:45pm.
ohwell
Mike Sterling


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This is what I got.  I know there's a big virus spinning out of control 
that is email related... perhaps this is a related problem.

jen


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It's just you. Does this make you feel paranoid?
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  Subject: [ASKC] yahoo


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I do wish I was there Geo. Nice prose by the way.

I noticed several emails from you at work but I did not have time to read them. Catch ya tomorrow on them maybe.

JOhnny
  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 10:24 AM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] workshop




  Randy Thompson wrote:
  > 
  > You say your to get 12" additional snow. Wow. We are expecting 1/2"
  > to 2". Jodee take a sick day!!!
  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

  SHE DID!!!  Hey, all bundled up on the hilltop in a winter wonderland,
  warm and cozy, cornbread in the oven and chili in the pot.  The deer
  are lying in the west ravine, curled up, and only one has her head up. 
  Puppy went out to tinkle, got 18 inches from the door, lifted one foot,
  and committed himself.  

  The evergreen trees are living Christmas cards, boughs bent in salute
  to Mother Nature who rules, and you need only to look out the window to
  see the evidence.  The Iowa cornfields are all white, there are flakes
  aplenty in the air.  No external sounds reach us in our temporary
  Valhalla.  Today, we lack nothing but youth. 

  After breakfast we will watch "Meet Me in Saint Louis" with Judy
  Garland, my childhood crush Margaret O'Brien, Mary Astor, and other
  actual actors. The 1944 movie, in which the actor moves and the camera
  does not, portrays the summer of 1903 during which St. Louis became the
  center of many persons world.  The snow which blocks the sidewalks and
  lane can wait until tomorrow, we're in no hurry.  

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Itmust be an AOL thing.  
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  To: askc@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 5:48 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] postings...


  I sent the 'oops' posting at 11:50 AM - How come the posting hit the board at 
  5:22 PM - Is it just the roll of the dice - or am I doing something wrong on 
  my end?  No big deal - just curious.  And if there is a time sensitive note is 
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Joe and all,

This may answer your question about email groups.  Even if it doesn't this is a new and potentially bad email virus:

W32.Novarg.A@mm is a mass-mailing worm that arrives as an attachment with the file extension .bat, .cmd, .exe, .pif, .scr, or .zip. 

When a computer is infected, the worm will set up a backdoor into the system by opening TCP ports 3127 through 3198, which can potentially allow an attacker to connect to the computer and use it as a proxy to gain access to its network resources.

In addition, the backdoor can download and execute arbitrary files.

The worm will perform a Denial of Service (DoS) starting on February 1, 2004. It also has a trigger date to stop spreading on February 12, 2004.



I got hit yesterday indirectly.  My machine was not infected, but it hijacked my email address from somewhere else and is sending copies of itself out using my email address as the sender!  Some of them actually sent themselves back to me also.

Do not open ANY emails that have any of the following subject lines:

a.. test 
a.. hi 
a.. hello 
a.. Mail Delivery System 
a.. Mail Transaction Failed 
a.. Server Report 
a.. Status 
a.. Error

Also, do not open any files that have the following file extensions:

.bat, .cmd, .exe, .pif, .scr, or .zip

In case you don't know what a file extension is, it's the part after the name of the file.  For example document.pif is one of the infected files that tried to get into my machine.

I ran virus scans on all my machines today (Tuesday) but if you get an email with any of the above, do not open it.  DELETE IT!!!!  If you run a virus scan, make sure your virus dat files are no older than January 26, 2004.

Rick Henderson
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Joe Wright 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 5:34 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] yahoo


  Is anyone else having problems going to the yahoo site?  All my 
  egroups are coming up with unavailible message each day.  This just 
  started last week.

  Thanks,

  Joe




   

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Whatta ya mean paranoid.  Just because I alter my route to and from work. Use
alias's.  Have Rita open the mail.  Why, what have you heard, Dave?


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>   ----- Original Message -----
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Thanks for the heads up Rick.

Gary
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Rick Henderson [mailto:rhenderson1@...]
  Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 9:11 PM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] yahoo


  Joe and all,

  This may answer your question about email groups.  Even if it doesn't this
is a new and potentially bad email virus:

  W32.Novarg.A@mm is a mass-mailing worm that arrives as an attachment with
the file extension .bat, .cmd, .exe, .pif, .scr, or .zip.

  When a computer is infected, the worm will set up a backdoor into the
system by opening TCP ports 3127 through 3198, which can potentially allow
an attacker to connect to the computer and use it as a proxy to gain access
to its network resources.

  In addition, the backdoor can download and execute arbitrary files.

  The worm will perform a Denial of Service (DoS) starting on February 1,
2004. It also has a trigger date to stop spreading on February 12, 2004.



  I got hit yesterday indirectly.  My machine was not infected, but it
hijacked my email address from somewhere else and is sending copies of
itself out using my email address as the sender!  Some of them actually sent
themselves back to me also.

  Do not open ANY emails that have any of the following subject lines:

  a.. test
  a.. hi
  a.. hello
  a.. Mail Delivery System
  a.. Mail Transaction Failed
  a.. Server Report
  a.. Status
  a.. Error

  Also, do not open any files that have the following file extensions:

  .bat, .cmd, .exe, .pif, .scr, or .zip

  In case you don't know what a file extension is, it's the part after the
name of the file.  For example document.pif is one of the infected files
that tried to get into my machine.

  I ran virus scans on all my machines today (Tuesday) but if you get an
email with any of the above, do not open it.  DELETE IT!!!!  If you run a
virus scan, make sure your virus dat files are no older than January 26,
2004.

  Rick Henderson
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Joe Wright
    To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 5:34 PM
    Subject: [ASKC] yahoo


    Is anyone else having problems going to the yahoo site?  All my
    egroups are coming up with unavailible message each day.  This just
    started last week.

    Thanks,

    Joe






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Mike,
I think its the roll of the dice.
Network problems, etc.
Sometimes I see replies to messages before I see the original.
Sometimes the message comes thru in seconds.
Occasionally, not at all.
That can cause some real interesting e-mail conversations.
Kathy
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <mikekansascity@...>
To: <askc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 5:48 PM
Subject: [ASKC] postings...


> I sent the 'oops' posting at 11:50 AM - How come the posting hit the board
at
> 5:22 PM - Is it just the roll of the dice - or am I doing something wrong
on
> my end?  No big deal - just curious.  And if there is a time sensitive
note is
> the future - hmmmmm   :)  Just as a looksee - I'm sending this at 5:45pm.
> ohwell
> Mike Sterling
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--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, mikekansascity@a... wrote:
> I sent the 'oops' posting at 11:50 AM - How come the posting hit the
board at 
> 5:22 PM - Is it just the roll of the dice - or am I doing something
wrong on 
> my end?  No big deal - just curious.

News media reported today that with the two big viruses making their
rounds on the internet (MyDoom and Dumaru), that the internet was
experiencing a 50% slow down because of the congestion that was being
incurred on the massive amounts of email being spawned by these
suckers....

Rob

Joe,

I'm not sure this is related, but I have been getting undeliverable messages from people and addresses I am unfamiliar with.  I have run a virus scan on my system with latest and greatest virus definitions and my system comes up clean.  The reason I think virus is that someone I didn't know sent me a message saying I had sent them an infected email.  I did NOT send them the email and I'm not sure how they got it.  They had my correct address.

To date I have received 6 undeliverable messages all from people I have not sent email to.  This looks symptomatic of a email list-server type infection.

Rick Henderson
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Joe Wright 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 5:34 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] yahoo


  Is anyone else having problems going to the yahoo site?  All my 
  egroups are coming up with unavailible message each day.  This just 
  started last week.

  Thanks,

  Joe




   

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The darn thing tried to get in here.  Roadrunner stripped it.  As a rule, if I don't know
the sender or do and wonder why the heck that person is sending me something, I delete
it.

My yahoo problem might be with the laptop or server at work????

Joe

I never figured out the time stamp process.  Someday soon they will get
smart and mark every email with UTC and forget the zone bias.  Soon, I
hope.

George

mikekansascity@... wrote:
> 
> I sent the 'oops' posting at 11:50 AM - How come the posting hit the
> board at
> 5:22 PM - Is it just the roll of the dice - or am I doing something
> wrong on
> my end?  No big deal - just curious.  And if there is a time
> sensitive note is
> the future - hmmmmm   :)  Just as a looksee - I'm sending this at
> 5:45pm.
> ohwell
> Mike Sterling
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--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Henderson" <rhenderson1@k...> wrote:
> To date I have received 6 undeliverable messages all from people I
have not sent email to.  This looks symptomatic of a email list-server
type infection.

The viruses in question, use addresses in other people's address books
to forge the TO: and FROM: fields in the emails it send out. It is not
necessarily a list server infection, but individual users who are
infected and causing the forged emails to be sent.

Rob

Rob,

Thanks.  Once I got a report from Norton on the problem, I realized my incorrect assumption.

D**n hackers anyway.  Why don't they go get a real job?  Or better yet, go stargazing.

Rick Henderson
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: sc285 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 10:55 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] Re: yahoo


  --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Henderson" <rhenderson1@k...> wrote:
  > To date I have received 6 undeliverable messages all from people I
  have not sent email to.  This looks symptomatic of a email list-server
  type infection.

  The viruses in question, use addresses in other people's address books
  to forge the TO: and FROM: fields in the emails it send out. It is not
  necessarily a list server infection, but individual users who are
  infected and causing the forged emails to be sent.

  Rob





   


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Thanks Kathy & Rob.
Mike


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Rick I have had at lest 6 of these the last couple of days.  I just
delete them. They do seem to be on the rise this week.

Hopefully every one knows not to open mail from an unknown entity.
Especially if it has an attachment.

Shelley

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Henderson [mailto:rhenderson1@...] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 9:11 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] yahoo

 

Joe and all,

This may answer your question about email groups.  Even if it doesn't
this is a new and potentially bad email virus:

W32.Novarg.A@mm is a mass-mailing worm that arrives as an attachment
with the file extension .bat, .cmd, .exe, .pif, .scr, or .zip. 

When a computer is infected, the worm will set up a backdoor into the
system by opening TCP ports 3127 through 3198, which can potentially
allow an attacker to connect to the computer and use it as a proxy to
gain access to its network resources.

In addition, the backdoor can download and execute arbitrary files.

The worm will perform a Denial of Service (DoS) starting on February 1,
2004. It also has a trigger date to stop spreading on February 12, 2004.



I got hit yesterday indirectly.  My machine was not infected, but it
hijacked my email address from somewhere else and is sending copies of
itself out using my email address as the sender!  Some of them actually
sent themselves back to me also.

Do not open ANY emails that have any of the following subject lines:

a.. test 
a.. hi 
a.. hello 
a.. Mail Delivery System 
a.. Mail Transaction Failed 
a.. Server Report 
a.. Status 
a.. Error

Also, do not open any files that have the following file extensions:

.bat, .cmd, .exe, .pif, .scr, or .zip

In case you don't know what a file extension is, it's the part after the
name of the file.  For example document.pif is one of the infected files
that tried to get into my machine.

I ran virus scans on all my machines today (Tuesday) but if you get an
email with any of the above, do not open it.  DELETE IT!!!!  If you run
a virus scan, make sure your virus dat files are no older than January
26, 2004.

Rick Henderson
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Joe Wright 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 5:34 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] yahoo


  Is anyone else having problems going to the yahoo site?  All my 
  egroups are coming up with unavailible message each day.  This just 
  started last week.

  Thanks,

  Joe




   

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What excellent advice Rick! Being paranoid myself I have my virus and firewall software set to update automatically twice a day and then manually force and update anytime I'm sitting here and don't need the computer for a couple of minutes. One of these days I'll screw up and open something that just hit the net though.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Rick Henderson 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 9:11 PM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] yahoo


  Joe and all,

  This may answer your question about email groups.  Even if it doesn't this is a new and potentially bad email virus:

  W32.Novarg.A@mm is a mass-mailing worm that arrives as an attachment with the file extension .bat, .cmd, .exe, .pif, .scr, or .zip. 

  When a computer is infected, the worm will set up a backdoor into the system by opening TCP ports 3127 through 3198, which can potentially allow an attacker to connect to the computer and use it as a proxy to gain access to its network resources.

  In addition, the backdoor can download and execute arbitrary files.

  The worm will perform a Denial of Service (DoS) starting on February 1, 2004. It also has a trigger date to stop spreading on February 12, 2004.



  I got hit yesterday indirectly.  My machine was not infected, but it hijacked my email address from somewhere else and is sending copies of itself out using my email address as the sender!  Some of them actually sent themselves back to me also.

  Do not open ANY emails that have any of the following subject lines:

  a.. test 
  a.. hi 
  a.. hello 
  a.. Mail Delivery System 
  a.. Mail Transaction Failed 
  a.. Server Report 
  a.. Status 
  a.. Error

  Also, do not open any files that have the following file extensions:

  .bat, .cmd, .exe, .pif, .scr, or .zip

  In case you don't know what a file extension is, it's the part after the name of the file.  For example document.pif is one of the infected files that tried to get into my machine.

  I ran virus scans on all my machines today (Tuesday) but if you get an email with any of the above, do not open it.  DELETE IT!!!!  If you run a virus scan, make sure your virus dat files are no older than January 26, 2004.

  Rick Henderson
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Joe Wright 
    To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
    Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 5:34 PM
    Subject: [ASKC] yahoo


    Is anyone else having problems going to the yahoo site?  All my 
    egroups are coming up with unavailible message each day.  This just 
    started last week.

    Thanks,

    Joe




     

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Nothing, I'm just sititng here reading Catcher in the Rye. I have twenty copies but may need to buy more.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 10:02 PM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] yahoo


  Whatta ya mean paranoid.  Just because I alter my route to and from work. Use
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I read somewhere that a bunch are attacking a company sueing Linix over alleged code. They intend to launch a massive denial of service assult using as many proxy computers as they can get.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 11:19 PM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] Re: yahoo


  Rob,

  Thanks.  Once I got a report from Norton on the problem, I realized my incorrect assumption.

  D**n hackers anyway.  Why don't they go get a real job?  Or better yet, go stargazing.

  Rick Henderson
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: sc285 
    To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
    Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 10:55 PM
    Subject: [ASKC] Re: yahoo


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    type infection.

    The viruses in question, use addresses in other people's address books
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    necessarily a list server infection, but individual users who are
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    Rob





     


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For a while at least we should all be very careful even if the e-mail appears to be from someone we know! Since these e-mail id theives don't seem to pay any attention the body of a message perhaps we should consider a code word or phrase in the body of any message with an attachment to indicate it's really from a trusted source. How about "all hail the od"
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  Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 11:04 PM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] yahoo


  Rick I have had at lest 6 of these the last couple of days.  I just
  delete them. They do seem to be on the rise this week.

  Hopefully every one knows not to open mail from an unknown entity.
  Especially if it has an attachment.

  Shelley

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Rick Henderson [mailto:rhenderson1@...] 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 9:11 PM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] yahoo



  Joe and all,

  This may answer your question about email groups.  Even if it doesn't
  this is a new and potentially bad email virus:

  W32.Novarg.A@mm is a mass-mailing worm that arrives as an attachment
  with the file extension .bat, .cmd, .exe, .pif, .scr, or .zip. 

  When a computer is infected, the worm will set up a backdoor into the
  system by opening TCP ports 3127 through 3198, which can potentially
  allow an attacker to connect to the computer and use it as a proxy to
  gain access to its network resources.

  In addition, the backdoor can download and execute arbitrary files.

  The worm will perform a Denial of Service (DoS) starting on February 1,
  2004. It also has a trigger date to stop spreading on February 12, 2004.



  I got hit yesterday indirectly.  My machine was not infected, but it
  hijacked my email address from somewhere else and is sending copies of
  itself out using my email address as the sender!  Some of them actually
  sent themselves back to me also.

  Do not open ANY emails that have any of the following subject lines:

  a.. test 
  a.. hi 
  a.. hello 
  a.. Mail Delivery System 
  a.. Mail Transaction Failed 
  a.. Server Report 
  a.. Status 
  a.. Error

  Also, do not open any files that have the following file extensions:

  .bat, .cmd, .exe, .pif, .scr, or .zip

  In case you don't know what a file extension is, it's the part after the
  name of the file.  For example document.pif is one of the infected files
  that tried to get into my machine.

  I ran virus scans on all my machines today (Tuesday) but if you get an
  email with any of the above, do not open it.  DELETE IT!!!!  If you run
  a virus scan, make sure your virus dat files are no older than January
  26, 2004.

  Rick Henderson
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Joe Wright 
    To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
    Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 5:34 PM
    Subject: [ASKC] yahoo


    Is anyone else having problems going to the yahoo site?  All my 
    egroups are coming up with unavailible message each day.  This just 
    started last week.

    Thanks,

    Joe




     

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It does a little more then that, it uses the address book, it takes the
first part of the email name "david" per say and adds it to each of the last
part of the email addresses in the address book...   david @...
david@... david@... ... It hopes to move faster this way...And it
seems to be working...

P.S. if you need to buy a upgrade or need a very good Anti-Virus software
program that seems to work better the Norton and the others.. look at Panda
at www.pandasoftware.com I be on it for 4 years and sell it to all my
customers!!!!

David F.
  -----Original Message-----
  From: sc285 [mailto:webmaster@...]
  Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 10:55 PM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [ASKC] Re: yahoo


  --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Henderson" <rhenderson1@k...> wrote:
  > To date I have received 6 undeliverable messages all from people I
  have not sent email to.  This looks symptomatic of a email list-server
  type infection.

  The viruses in question, use addresses in other people's address books
  to forge the TO: and FROM: fields in the emails it send out. It is not
  necessarily a list server infection, but individual users who are
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Well, I know I can't spell, but I forgot about excel not taking into 
account for leap year.  

For those of you that received your copy of the duty weeks for 2004, 
all dates after March first are off by one day.  I used the fomula 
to add 7 days to the previous cell.  Well, that darn leap day.  I 
checked the first two months against a calendar and everything 
appeared okay.  On Saturday night it was pointed out to me that 
March 7, as shown, was actually a Sunday. There was a few changes, 
upon special request that were made.  Those individuals will be 
notified directly.  Any new additions will be made to the list as 
far down as possible.   

I have also been testing the projector.  The programs colors look 
great.  Also, dvd through the computer are very nice.  Next is VCR 
hook up showing the club video.  I am looking for a wider screen 
(8') to ceiling mount on the north wall.  Placement of the projector 
should be just south of the ceiling fan.

Joe

Amy H.

Please send me one of the account numbers from the Powell electric 
bill.  I need this to set a meeting with the KCP&L planner for a 
power upgrade.  

I will post the date of the visit for any of you sparkies that would 
like to attend.  

I hope to think that the transformer on the pole is sufficient.  
Does anyone know if they DNC or conduit for the feed from the pole?

Joe

David,
Please be careful with Panda Software free downloads and the "Platinum"
purchased version.  Highland Lakes computer club was recommending it and
found that last year they had lots of complaints of computer freezing up
with their updates.

I had purchased the platinum version and it corrupted my computer so bad I
had to reformat it.  A close friend of mine here in KC downloaded the free
version last fall and it slowed the computer down to a crawl and we had to
uninstall it and he was back to normal after that.  By "crawl" it took 1 to
2 minutes for a keystroke to appear on the screen from the keyboard.

I stopped using McAfee last year also after the automatic updates froze up
on each and every download and I had to reboot each time.  They were too
busy to help me with the problem so I gave up on them.  I had used them for
3 years on the purchased "active scan" and during that time that I could not
update I received a couple of new virus strains.  AVG immediately found
them.

AVG is a great free version anti virus software and Zone Alarm "Pro" seems
to work quite well as an email scanner and fire wall.   Zone Alarm is a
nuisance sometimes when I want to download something from the internet as it
blocks a lot of 2nd or 3rd level (vendor) pop up windows and I have to
disable it for some of my downloads but that is a small problem.

D Trentman




-----Original Message-----
From: SM20 [mailto:sm20@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 8:39 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ASKC] Re: yahoo

It does a little more then that, it uses the address book, it takes the
first part of the email name "david" per say and adds it to each of the last
part of the email addresses in the address book...   david @...
david@... david@... ... It hopes to move faster this way...And it
seems to be working...

P.S. if you need to buy a upgrade or need a very good Anti-Virus software
program that seems to work better the Norton and the others.. look at Panda
at www.pandasoftware.com I be on it for 4 years and sell it to all my
customers!!!!

David F.
  -----Original Message-----
  From: sc285 [mailto:webmaster@...]
  Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 10:55 PM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [ASKC] Re: yahoo


  --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Henderson" <rhenderson1@k...> wrote:
  > To date I have received 6 undeliverable messages all from people I
  have not sent email to.  This looks symptomatic of a email list-server
  type infection.

  The viruses in question, use addresses in other people's address books
  to forge the TO: and FROM: fields in the emails it send out. It is not
  necessarily a list server infection, but individual users who are
  infected and causing the forged emails to be sent.

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I understand all that you said and yes they had a problem, problem fixed..
It's " in my mind" still better then anything else out there!!  You have to
understand I'm a re-seller and have good support from Panda.

I will say before you try any new Anti-Virus software make sure you
un-install "ALL" parts and copies of any other Anti-Virus software that you
might have pre-installed or installed..

You should try the latest greatest Version 7 that's out now.. pop-up
control, fire wall, and virus control.

I could fight you on this, but way... If you have anyone having any problem
with "Panda" have them give me a call, if it's setup right it flies.



Any way Back to Telescope and us...  I wanted to make it to the workshop,
but had in-laws over. I picked up a Sony DSC-F828. Call it my new toy. From
what I hear - some hate this camera and other say it the best " for Outdoor
point and shoot"
It is not a D-SLR, but is loaded with features that most all other Point and
Shoot and D-SLR don't have. I plan on taking lots of Pics. and some movies.

Next time any of you see me you better be smiling...click.

David F.



-----Original Message-----
From: D. Trentman [mailto:dtrent@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 9:57 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ASKC] Re: yahoo


David,
Please be careful with Panda Software free downloads and the "Platinum"
purchased version.  Highland Lakes computer club was recommending it and
found that last year they had lots of complaints of computer freezing up
with their updates.

I had purchased the platinum version and it corrupted my computer so bad I
had to reformat it.  A close friend of mine here in KC downloaded the free
version last fall and it slowed the computer down to a crawl and we had to
uninstall it and he was back to normal after that.  By "crawl" it took 1 to
2 minutes for a keystroke to appear on the screen from the keyboard.

I stopped using McAfee last year also after the automatic updates froze up
on each and every download and I had to reboot each time.  They were too
busy to help me with the problem so I gave up on them.  I had used them for
3 years on the purchased "active scan" and during that time that I could not
update I received a couple of new virus strains.  AVG immediately found
them.

AVG is a great free version anti virus software and Zone Alarm "Pro" seems
to work quite well as an email scanner and fire wall.   Zone Alarm is a
nuisance sometimes when I want to download something from the internet as it
blocks a lot of 2nd or 3rd level (vendor) pop up windows and I have to
disable it for some of my downloads but that is a small problem.

D Trentman




-----Original Message-----
From: SM20 [mailto:sm20@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 8:39 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ASKC] Re: yahoo

It does a little more then that, it uses the address book, it takes the
first part of the email name "david" per say and adds it to each of the last
part of the email addresses in the address book...   david @...
david@... david@... ... It hopes to move faster this way...And it
seems to be working...

P.S. if you need to buy a upgrade or need a very good Anti-Virus software
program that seems to work better the Norton and the others.. look at Panda
at www.pandasoftware.com I be on it for 4 years and sell it to all my
customers!!!!

David F.
  -----Original Message-----
  From: sc285 [mailto:webmaster@...]
  Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 10:55 PM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [ASKC] Re: yahoo


  --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Henderson" <rhenderson1@k...> wrote:
  > To date I have received 6 undeliverable messages all from people I
  have not sent email to.  This looks symptomatic of a email list-server
  type infection.

  The viruses in question, use addresses in other people's address books
  to forge the TO: and FROM: fields in the emails it send out. It is not
  necessarily a list server infection, but individual users who are
  infected and causing the forged emails to be sent.

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You too! I have a few copies if you ever need to borrow one. I'm still
having trouble making the beer bottle balance on the door know. Have you got
that perfected? Maybe you could teach me.

Gary
  -----Original Message-----
  From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
  Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 6:50 AM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] yahoo


  Nothing, I'm just sititng here reading Catcher in the Rye. I have twenty
copies but may need to buy more.
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Joseph Wright
    To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 10:02 PM
    Subject: Re: [ASKC] yahoo


    Whatta ya mean paranoid.  Just because I alter my route to and from
work. Use
    alias's.  Have Rita open the mail.  Why, what have you heard, Dave?


    David Young wrote:

    > It's just you. Does this make you feel paranoid?
    >   ----- Original Message -----
    >   From: Joe Wright
    >   To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
    >   Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 5:34 PM
    >   Subject: [ASKC] yahoo
    >
    >   Is anyone else having problems going to the yahoo site?  All my
    >   egroups are coming up with unavailible message each day.  This just
    >   started last week.
    >
    >   Thanks,
    >
    >   Joe
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I received an email on the observatory egroup that I belong to.  It has a link to sign a petition to save the Hubble.  If you would like to add your name, here is the address.

http://www.savethehubble.org/petition.jsp



Joe

Dave,

I believe the version I purchased was 7 but since I have uninstalled it..
uh.. re-formatted the hard drive which effectively did just that.  It was
because of that version that I had to reformat.  Several others I was aware
of had the same problems and they solved them the same way.  I can't say
what the current version 7.? Is doing and will not speculate about it but I
was disappointed with Panda in their lack of interest in helping with the
problem.  It has been too long for me to pull up any details so I can't help
anyone now with it.

I also know one individual who is very happy with it so who knows.  I am
still bummed out about it after having 2 versions with problems and no help
from the company.

D Trentman




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From: SM20 [mailto:sm20@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 11:14 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ASKC] Re: yahoo

I understand all that you said and yes they had a problem, problem fixed..
It's " in my mind" still better then anything else out there!!  You have to
understand I'm a re-seller and have good support from Panda.

I will say before you try any new Anti-Virus software make sure you
un-install "ALL" parts and copies of any other Anti-Virus software that you
might have pre-installed or installed..

You should try the latest greatest Version 7 that's out now.. pop-up
control, fire wall, and virus control.

I could fight you on this, but way... If you have anyone having any problem
with "Panda" have them give me a call, if it's setup right it flies.



Any way Back to Telescope and us...  I wanted to make it to the workshop,
but had in-laws over. I picked up a Sony DSC-F828. Call it my new toy. From
what I hear - some hate this camera and other say it the best " for Outdoor
point and shoot"
It is not a D-SLR, but is loaded with features that most all other Point and
Shoot and D-SLR don't have. I plan on taking lots of Pics. and some movies.

Next time any of you see me you better be smiling...click.

David F.



-----Original Message-----
From: D. Trentman [mailto:dtrent@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 9:57 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ASKC] Re: yahoo


David,
Please be careful with Panda Software free downloads and the "Platinum"
purchased version.  Highland Lakes computer club was recommending it and
found that last year they had lots of complaints of computer freezing up
with their updates.

I had purchased the platinum version and it corrupted my computer so bad I
had to reformat it.  A close friend of mine here in KC downloaded the free
version last fall and it slowed the computer down to a crawl and we had to
uninstall it and he was back to normal after that.  By "crawl" it took 1 to
2 minutes for a keystroke to appear on the screen from the keyboard.

I stopped using McAfee last year also after the automatic updates froze up
on each and every download and I had to reboot each time.  They were too
busy to help me with the problem so I gave up on them.  I had used them for
3 years on the purchased "active scan" and during that time that I could not
update I received a couple of new virus strains.  AVG immediately found
them.

AVG is a great free version anti virus software and Zone Alarm "Pro" seems
to work quite well as an email scanner and fire wall.   Zone Alarm is a
nuisance sometimes when I want to download something from the internet as it
blocks a lot of 2nd or 3rd level (vendor) pop up windows and I have to
disable it for some of my downloads but that is a small problem.

D Trentman




-----Original Message-----
From: SM20 [mailto:sm20@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 8:39 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ASKC] Re: yahoo

It does a little more then that, it uses the address book, it takes the
first part of the email name "david" per say and adds it to each of the last
part of the email addresses in the address book...   david @...
david@... david@... ... It hopes to move faster this way...And it
seems to be working...

P.S. if you need to buy a upgrade or need a very good Anti-Virus software
program that seems to work better the Norton and the others.. look at Panda
at www.pandasoftware.com I be on it for 4 years and sell it to all my
customers!!!!

David F.
  -----Original Message-----
  From: sc285 [mailto:webmaster@...]
  Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 10:55 PM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [ASKC] Re: yahoo


  --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Henderson" <rhenderson1@k...> wrote:
  > To date I have received 6 undeliverable messages all from people I
  have not sent email to.  This looks symptomatic of a email list-server
  type infection.

  The viruses in question, use addresses in other people's address books
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Smoke stacks? What smoke stacks. I don't know why.
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  Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 6:50 AM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] yahoo


  Nothing, I'm just sititng here reading Catcher in the Rye. I have twenty copies but may need to buy more.
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    To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
    Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 10:02 PM
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    Whatta ya mean paranoid.  Just because I alter my route to and from work. Use
    alias's.  Have Rita open the mail.  Why, what have you heard, Dave?


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Do you need some primer cord to protect your secret files?
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  Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 8:32 PM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] yahoo


  Smoke stacks? What smoke stacks. I don't know why.
  Johnny
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    Nothing, I'm just sititng here reading Catcher in the Rye. I have twenty copies but may need to buy more.
      ----- Original Message ----- 
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      Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 10:02 PM
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      Whatta ya mean paranoid.  Just because I alter my route to and from work. Use
      alias's.  Have Rita open the mail.  Why, what have you heard, Dave?


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Shelley,

That's the scary part.  It was sending email to people with MY email address listed as the sender.  The undeliverable I dot were to people I didn't know, but if by chance somebody recognized my email address, they might open it thinking it was for real.

I have my opinions of what should be done with hackers and the like.

Rick Henderson
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Shelley Granger 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 11:04 PM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] yahoo


  Rick I have had at lest 6 of these the last couple of days.  I just
  delete them. They do seem to be on the rise this week.

  Hopefully every one knows not to open mail from an unknown entity.
  Especially if it has an attachment.

  Shelley

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Rick Henderson [mailto:rhenderson1@...] 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 9:11 PM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] yahoo

   

  Joe and all,

  This may answer your question about email groups.  Even if it doesn't
  this is a new and potentially bad email virus:

  W32.Novarg.A@mm is a mass-mailing worm that arrives as an attachment
  with the file extension .bat, .cmd, .exe, .pif, .scr, or .zip. 

  When a computer is infected, the worm will set up a backdoor into the
  system by opening TCP ports 3127 through 3198, which can potentially
  allow an attacker to connect to the computer and use it as a proxy to
  gain access to its network resources.

  In addition, the backdoor can download and execute arbitrary files.

  The worm will perform a Denial of Service (DoS) starting on February 1,
  2004. It also has a trigger date to stop spreading on February 12, 2004.



  I got hit yesterday indirectly.  My machine was not infected, but it
  hijacked my email address from somewhere else and is sending copies of
  itself out using my email address as the sender!  Some of them actually
  sent themselves back to me also.

  Do not open ANY emails that have any of the following subject lines:

  a.. test 
  a.. hi 
  a.. hello 
  a.. Mail Delivery System 
  a.. Mail Transaction Failed 
  a.. Server Report 
  a.. Status 
  a.. Error

  Also, do not open any files that have the following file extensions:

  .bat, .cmd, .exe, .pif, .scr, or .zip

  In case you don't know what a file extension is, it's the part after the
  name of the file.  For example document.pif is one of the infected files
  that tried to get into my machine.

  I ran virus scans on all my machines today (Tuesday) but if you get an
  email with any of the above, do not open it.  DELETE IT!!!!  If you run
  a virus scan, make sure your virus dat files are no older than January
  26, 2004.

  Rick Henderson
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    To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
    Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 5:34 PM
    Subject: [ASKC] yahoo


    Is anyone else having problems going to the yahoo site?  All my 
    egroups are coming up with unavailible message each day.  This just 
    started last week.

    Thanks,

    Joe




     

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I'm pretty sure that is the source of this virus/worm.

Rick Henderson
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  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 6:53 AM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] Re: yahoo


  I read somewhere that a bunch are attacking a company sueing Linix over alleged code. They intend to launch a massive denial of service assult using as many proxy computers as they can get.
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Rick Henderson 
    To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
    Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 11:19 PM
    Subject: Re: [ASKC] Re: yahoo


    Rob,

    Thanks.  Once I got a report from Norton on the problem, I realized my incorrect assumption.

    D**n hackers anyway.  Why don't they go get a real job?  Or better yet, go stargazing.

    Rick Henderson
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: sc285 
      To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
      Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 10:55 PM
      Subject: [ASKC] Re: yahoo


      --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Henderson" <rhenderson1@k...> wrote:
      > To date I have received 6 undeliverable messages all from people I
      have not sent email to.  This looks symptomatic of a email list-server
      type infection.

      The viruses in question, use addresses in other people's address books
      to forge the TO: and FROM: fields in the emails it send out. It is not
      necessarily a list server infection, but individual users who are
      infected and causing the forged emails to be sent.

      Rob





       


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Nice idea, but without the shuttle, I don't know how they will service it. I'll put my name on the list though, just to make sure they know a lot of folks think they should work a harder to figure out a service mission.

I frosted my well driller buns yesterday so I thought I'd play hooky and stay inside and keep warm today. It's 60 degrees in the office. Better turn up the heat ;-)
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  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 6:05 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] petition


  I received an email on the observatory egroup that I belong to.  It has a link to sign a petition to save the Hubble.  If you would like to add your name, here is the address.

  http://www.savethehubble.org/petition.jsp



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There's a new picture from Spirit at http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/home/index.html. Looks like they will get it going again!

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I'm looking forward to Easter.  The plant may be blacked out.  GM 
term for 'no body works' those days.  It will be a four day 
weekend.  UAW has that Friday and Monday off.  

Those four days sound like good time to catch up on some much needed engineering problems!!! Like David would say, "Evil Snicker." ;-)
Clear Skies,
Randy
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  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 8:12 AM
  Subject: [ASKC] Hooky


  I'm looking forward to Easter.  The plant may be blacked out.  GM 
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Unless the WIFE says we are going to Chicago with the kids!!!  But 
hey, I'm not telling her I off.

Snicker, snicker

 "Randy Thompson" > Those four days sound like good time to catch up 
on some much needed engineering problems!!! Like David would 
say, "Evil Snicker." ;-)
> Clear Skies,
>   I'm looking forward to Easter.  The plant may be blacked out.  
GM 
>   term for 'no body works' those days.  It will be a four day 
>   weekend.  UAW has that Friday and Monday off.  

The Miami County Zoning Commission advised me today they have a permit application from a church in Wea. Wea is a little village on Metcalf a few miles north of the observatory. They plan to light the steeple from below. Just another little encroachment but I don't see any realistic action we should take. 

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Account # is: 9456 79 3766, kemo sabe!



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Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 10:13 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] electrical


Amy H.

Please send me one of the account numbers from the Powell electric 
bill.  I need this to set a meeting with the KCP&L planner for a 
power upgrade.  

I will post the date of the visit for any of you sparkies that would 
like to attend.  

I hope to think that the transformer on the pole is sufficient.  
Does anyone know if they DNC or conduit for the feed from the pole?

Joe




 


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Isn't there a chance we could convince just one light freak, that by
putting the lights on top of the steeple, billboard, skyscaper,
whatever, the spilled light would benefit them by lighting the grounds
around their whatever???  

Likewise, the engineers that design interstate sign lighting...how many
times have you seen a bank of lights pointed upward on an overhead road
sign (75% going into space) then right alongside there is a couple
metal post with more lights, these aimed down below the sign onto the
roadway?  Your tax dollars are feeding those interstate light fixtures. 

David, I disrespectfully disagree with you on this point.  Can someone,
more diplomatic than me,  meet with the church, uh, people, and tell
them you know how they can get free lighting for the area around the
building?  While changing bulbs might be a problem, vandals who break
lights won't.  WWJD? Well, He would be in favor of conserving power,
the generation of which bestows hardships on various humans.  Actually
I don't recall a mention of any lights during the night at all in the
Valhala of Genesis.

Just a stray thought.   Genesis 1:4
Amen,
George
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> permit application from a church in Wea. Wea is a little village on
> Metcalf a few miles north of the observatory. They plan to light the
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This is why I posted the note. I'm not very diplomatic. I was hoping someone more tactful would step up and offer to interact with them. The church people may get in touch with us sometime in the near future. I know the Miami county guy said he recomended to them that the contact us.
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  Isn't there a chance we could convince just one light freak, that by
  putting the lights on top of the steeple, billboard, skyscaper,
  whatever, the spilled light would benefit them by lighting the grounds
  around their whatever???  

  Likewise, the engineers that design interstate sign lighting...how many
  times have you seen a bank of lights pointed upward on an overhead road
  sign (75% going into space) then right alongside there is a couple
  metal post with more lights, these aimed down below the sign onto the
  roadway?  Your tax dollars are feeding those interstate light fixtures. 

  David, I disrespectfully disagree with you on this point.  Can someone,
  more diplomatic than me,  meet with the church, uh, people, and tell
  them you know how they can get free lighting for the area around the
  building?  While changing bulbs might be a problem, vandals who break
  lights won't.  WWJD? Well, He would be in favor of conserving power,
  the generation of which bestows hardships on various humans.  Actually
  I don't recall a mention of any lights during the night at all in the
  Valhala of Genesis.

  Just a stray thought.   Genesis 1:4
  Amen,
  George
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  > Metcalf a few miles north of the observatory. They plan to light the
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George,

Even though you wanted someone more diplomatic than you, I think you said it pretty well.  My first thought was a pre-emptive cruise missile hit.  Gets into a whole bunch of socio-religious problems.

Not very politically correct either.

Rick Henderson
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  Isn't there a chance we could convince just one light freak, that by
  putting the lights on top of the steeple, billboard, skyscaper,
  whatever, the spilled light would benefit them by lighting the grounds
  around their whatever???  

  Likewise, the engineers that design interstate sign lighting...how many
  times have you seen a bank of lights pointed upward on an overhead road
  sign (75% going into space) then right alongside there is a couple
  metal post with more lights, these aimed down below the sign onto the
  roadway?  Your tax dollars are feeding those interstate light fixtures. 

  David, I disrespectfully disagree with you on this point.  Can someone,
  more diplomatic than me,  meet with the church, uh, people, and tell
  them you know how they can get free lighting for the area around the
  building?  While changing bulbs might be a problem, vandals who break
  lights won't.  WWJD? Well, He would be in favor of conserving power,
  the generation of which bestows hardships on various humans.  Actually
  I don't recall a mention of any lights during the night at all in the
  Valhala of Genesis.

  Just a stray thought.   Genesis 1:4
  Amen,
  George
  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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  > permit application from a church in Wea. Wea is a little village on
  > Metcalf a few miles north of the observatory. They plan to light the
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Cost is the overlaying concern when it comes to lighting.  Most clients are interested in the initial cost of installation and then maintenance.  They see it far more cost effective to have the light more easily accessible than using a man lift or cherry picker.  The light source
position would have to be higher and at an angle to illuminate the billboard and be out of the line of sight of the product.  I would hope true illumination engineers would be more considerate.  The average sparkie isn't required to take lighting design.  The client doesn't listen well
when you start talking about lumens, lumination, illumination and efficacy.  How much, how bright, how long!!!  On the other hand, the designer will tell you the light draws you from the base of the cross or steeple up to the top and on to heaven.  If we are contacted, maybe we should
suggest a lower wattage, monochromatic lamp pointing down from the steeple. Further state that this more somber affect will stimulate people instead of a blazing steeple.  I would guess that they will light all four sides???

Since I left school, there has been a lot of new products for lighting.  Some of them pretty cool.  I get pissed of seeing some dumb developer or building taking a plain brick wall and flooding is with light.  Example, Home Depot on 135th.  It can't be for security, there is no doors
along the wall.  Brick, brick and more brick, all lit up.

It makes me want to burn my old IES membership and handbook.

Joe

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Sterling - all welcome 

Date: Friday, January 30, 2004 
Time: 6:00PM CST (GMT-06:00) 

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Joe and I used a flame thrower to thaw the shutter track out. Dick had trouble getting the server to work so it may be temperature related. The telescope computer took a little time to fire up due to the cold. You might want to open the closet door and the classroom/hallway door as soon as you get there to let some warmer air into the computer closet. We left the classroom heater turned on a low setting to keep the chill off.  Call us if you have trouble.

Hhave fun.

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  Sterling - all welcome 

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Thanks Dave and Joe for that little hot foot treatment.  Lol  Looks like
those tracks could use a drain hole or two in them.

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Joe and I used a flame thrower to thaw the shutter track out. Dick had
trouble getting the server to work so it may be temperature related. The
telescope computer took a little time to fire up due to the cold. You might
want to open the closet door and the classroom/hallway door as soon as you
get there to let some warmer air into the computer closet. We left the
classroom heater turned on a low setting to keep the chill off.  Call us if
you have trouble.

Hhave fun.

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Also I should mention that we added the extension cord (over to the wall) to
run the backup battery at the base of the scope to keep it charged.  Richard
and I found that it was run down and hope that the battery itself was not
damaged from running it only when the scope was powered up.

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Joe and I used a flame thrower to thaw the shutter track out. Dick had
trouble getting the server to work so it may be temperature related. The
telescope computer took a little time to fire up due to the cold. You might
want to open the closet door and the classroom/hallway door as soon as you
get there to let some warmer air into the computer closet. We left the
classroom heater turned on a low setting to keep the chill off.  Call us if
you have trouble.

Hhave fun.

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Do we have any alternate lighting suggestions for them? How could you
light it without to much damage? I don't know if any of you have seen
the new Cass County Justice Center in Harrisonville but they did a
wonderful job on the lighting for it.

Shelley

 

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This is why I posted the note. I'm not very diplomatic. I was hoping
someone more tactful would step up and offer to interact with them. The
church people may get in touch with us sometime in the near future. I
know the Miami county guy said he recomended to them that the contact
us.
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  Isn't there a chance we could convince just one light freak, that by
  putting the lights on top of the steeple, billboard, skyscaper,
  whatever, the spilled light would benefit them by lighting the grounds
  around their whatever???  

  Likewise, the engineers that design interstate sign lighting...how
many
  times have you seen a bank of lights pointed upward on an overhead
road
  sign (75% going into space) then right alongside there is a couple
  metal post with more lights, these aimed down below the sign onto the
  roadway?  Your tax dollars are feeding those interstate light
fixtures. 

  David, I disrespectfully disagree with you on this point.  Can
someone,
  more diplomatic than me,  meet with the church, uh, people, and tell
  them you know how they can get free lighting for the area around the
  building?  While changing bulbs might be a problem, vandals who break
  lights won't.  WWJD? Well, He would be in favor of conserving power,
  the generation of which bestows hardships on various humans.  Actually
  I don't recall a mention of any lights during the night at all in the
  Valhala of Genesis.

  Just a stray thought.   Genesis 1:4
  Amen,
  George
  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

  David Young wrote:
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  > The Miami County Zoning Commission advised me today they have a
  > permit application from a church in Wea. Wea is a little village on
  > Metcalf a few miles north of the observatory. They plan to light the
  > steeple from below. Just another little encroachment but I don't see
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a little before 1pm as I type  :)
the sky clock on our web site seems to show 'possible' viewing - I'll tell ya how possible at the midnight report  lol
Since I've put out the word - I'll be there ...
Thanks for the cautions ...  looks like I'll have lots of cheese and crackers  for me!!!
The people that MAY show up anyway, are all first time observers - and I've found that even quick views or dim views of Saturn, moon, Orion, and Jupiter still get the 'wow' response.  Anyway - the 'polar dome' experience will make me more familiar with Powell and cold weather expectations.
Yo Joe - does this qualify for a 'white coo'?
Mike Sterling

Shelley:

Last time Rita  and I was at that church, I didn't take a good look 
at the structure.  The school addition is rather new.  One would 
need to visit the place and find other architectural features that 
might be better suited for lighting to focus on.  Entrance arches, 
niches and columns should be tied into the overall scheme.  Is this 
an old steeple that functions as a bell tower???  If the design is 
not balanced, the top will look like it is floating on light.  Hmmm, 
fiber optic light...

You have to understand, I walk a thin line here.  I studied 
illumination engineering to be my bread and butter, but I have not 
been in practice or kept current for 10 years.  The designer side of 
me says, "highlights, shadows and accents."  The astronomer 
says, "keep it dark."  

Any who.  Any uplighting will cause light pollution.  Hopefully they 
will use luminaires that have good light control and keep it 
focussed on the structure.

Joe

Great minds run in the same ruts. I was thinking the same thing today. It
wouldn't prevent the ice build up in a sleet storm but it would might make
them drain faster when it did warm up. We'll see what Joe thinks and perhaps
we can drill some holes in the bottom of the tracks on one of the work days.
----- Original Message ----- 
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> Thanks Dave and Joe for that little hot foot treatment.  Lol  Looks like
> those tracks could use a drain hole or two in them.
>
> D Trentman
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 8:21 AM
> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [ASKC] Reminder - Sterling - all welcome
>
> Joe and I used a flame thrower to thaw the shutter track out. Dick had
> trouble getting the server to work so it may be temperature related. The
> telescope computer took a little time to fire up due to the cold. You
might
> want to open the closet door and the classroom/hallway door as soon as you
> get there to let some warmer air into the computer closet. We left the
> classroom heater turned on a low setting to keep the chill off.  Call us
if
> you have trouble.
>
> Hhave fun.
>
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Don't neglect an estimate of power costs to supply the light fixtures,
and mention that it is only going to go up, mabye rather sharply.
You might also sneak in a comment about seeing God's wonderous works in
the night sky, surely He meant for us to enjoy all those efforts of
His.
In fact, it is seeing the magnificent night skies that bring many to
the Houses of Worship. 
 
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Geo.
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Joe Wright wrote:
> 
> Shelley:
> 
> Last time Rita  and I was at that church, I didn't take a good look
> at the structure.  The school addition is rather new.  One would
> need to visit the place and find other architectural features that
> might be better suited for lighting to focus on.  Entrance arches,
> niches and columns should be tied into the overall scheme.  Is this
> an old steeple that functions as a bell tower???  If the design is
> not balanced, the top will look like it is floating on light.  Hmmm,
> fiber optic light...
> 
> You have to understand, I walk a thin line here.  I studied
> illumination engineering to be my bread and butter, but I have not
> been in practice or kept current for 10 years.  The designer side of
> me says, "highlights, shadows and accents."  The astronomer
> says, "keep it dark."
> 
> Any who.  Any uplighting will cause light pollution.  Hopefully they
> will use luminaires that have good light control and keep it
> focussed on the structure.
> 
> Joe
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Since I'm a "key to the city" owner I get e-mail alerts from Union Station. Interesting that they are promoting the Deep Mission to the Abyss, a special on ballads, A Mardi Gras party, and a new theatrical production. Nothing about Science City.

One of Marcia's co-workers is works for 102.1 and 93.3 FM as a promotions manager. He's done numerous on site live feeds from Union Station. He didn't know there was a planetarium there. Why does that not surprise me?

He did offer to do a live feed for Astronomy Day! He needs to know where, when, etc. I hope we can get decoded at the February board meeting but we should get ideas out now. The Plaza sounds good but we need someone to jump in and check the logistics, permissions, etc. Any volunteers?

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Hi Folks,

Regarding Astronomy Day - yep, I think it would be fun to try a program at
the Plaza. And I would be happy to help coordinate that, get permission,
whatever.

Also, in case of bad weather at the Plaza, what do you think of a SECOND
program someplace inside...like a shopping mall? Or any other location that
some ASKC folks might be interested in supporting. There is no law that we
can have only one location is there?

Do you think we might do better with three telescopes at two locations,
rather than six telescopes at a single spot? Several telescopes, a table
with brochures and running the ASKC video on a laptop, and hey, that's about
all we need! Well, OK...clear weather too!

Isn't Astronomy Day Saturday April 24?

Dave H.


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> Since I'm a "key to the city" owner I get e-mail alerts from Union
Station. Interesting that they are promoting the Deep Mission to the Abyss,
a special on ballads, A Mardi Gras party, and a new theatrical production.
Nothing about Science City.
>
> One of Marcia's co-workers is works for 102.1 and 93.3 FM as a promotions
manager. He's done numerous on site live feeds from Union Station. He didn't
know there was a planetarium there. Why does that not surprise me?
>
> He did offer to do a live feed for Astronomy Day! He needs to know where,
when, etc. I hope we can get decoded at the February board meeting but we
should get ideas out now. The Plaza sounds good but we need someone to jump
in and check the logistics, permissions, etc. Any volunteers?
>
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Sigh, if we only had a science museum and a planetarium.  Wouldn't Astronomy Day be a perfect complement for that?

Rick Henderson
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  Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 4:57 PM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] Astronomy Day


  Hi Folks,

  Regarding Astronomy Day - yep, I think it would be fun to try a program at
  the Plaza. And I would be happy to help coordinate that, get permission,
  whatever.

  Also, in case of bad weather at the Plaza, what do you think of a SECOND
  program someplace inside...like a shopping mall? Or any other location that
  some ASKC folks might be interested in supporting. There is no law that we
  can have only one location is there?

  Do you think we might do better with three telescopes at two locations,
  rather than six telescopes at a single spot? Several telescopes, a table
  with brochures and running the ASKC video on a laptop, and hey, that's about
  all we need! Well, OK...clear weather too!

  Isn't Astronomy Day Saturday April 24?

  Dave H.


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  Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 4:34 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] Union Station


  > Since I'm a "key to the city" owner I get e-mail alerts from Union
  Station. Interesting that they are promoting the Deep Mission to the Abyss,
  a special on ballads, A Mardi Gras party, and a new theatrical production.
  Nothing about Science City.
  >
  > One of Marcia's co-workers is works for 102.1 and 93.3 FM as a promotions
  manager. He's done numerous on site live feeds from Union Station. He didn't
  know there was a planetarium there. Why does that not surprise me?
  >
  > He did offer to do a live feed for Astronomy Day! He needs to know where,
  when, etc. I hope we can get decoded at the February board meeting but we
  should get ideas out now. The Plaza sounds good but we need someone to jump
  in and check the logistics, permissions, etc. Any volunteers?
  >
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Dave I was thinking along the same lines. Why not find out how many
people we have who can participate and maybe we could do several sites.
Maybe I missed something (more than likely I forgot any discussion about
this) Why are we not doing this at Science City? Shelley

 

 

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Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 4:57 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
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Hi Folks,

Regarding Astronomy Day - yep, I think it would be fun to try a program
at
the Plaza. And I would be happy to help coordinate that, get permission,
whatever.

Also, in case of bad weather at the Plaza, what do you think of a SECOND
program someplace inside...like a shopping mall? Or any other location
that
some ASKC folks might be interested in supporting. There is no law that
we
can have only one location is there?

Do you think we might do better with three telescopes at two locations,
rather than six telescopes at a single spot? Several telescopes, a table
with brochures and running the ASKC video on a laptop, and hey, that's
about
all we need! Well, OK...clear weather too!

Isn't Astronomy Day Saturday April 24?

Dave H.


----- Original Message -----
From: "David Young" <dyoung8@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 4:34 PM
Subject: [ASKC] Union Station


> Since I'm a "key to the city" owner I get e-mail alerts from Union
Station. Interesting that they are promoting the Deep Mission to the
Abyss,
a special on ballads, A Mardi Gras party, and a new theatrical
production.
Nothing about Science City.
>
> One of Marcia's co-workers is works for 102.1 and 93.3 FM as a
promotions
manager. He's done numerous on site live feeds from Union Station. He
didn't
know there was a planetarium there. Why does that not surprise me?
>
> He did offer to do a live feed for Astronomy Day! He needs to know
where,
when, etc. I hope we can get decoded at the February board meeting but
we
should get ideas out now. The Plaza sounds good but we need someone to
jump
in and check the logistics, permissions, etc. Any volunteers?
>
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Hey, Shelley-- you still the Librarian?  I know you wanted all the books
returned this Saturday night for inventory, but I won't be there-- just got
home tonight from spending a week at North KC HOspital, where I had my gall
bladder removed and heart de-fibbed.  (Now I tell the truth all the time).

Will see you guys asap, but not this week.


Dick Harshaw


-----Original Message-----
From: Shelley Granger [mailto:sgranger@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 11:04 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ASKC] yahoo


Rick I have had at lest 6 of these the last couple of days.  I just
delete them. They do seem to be on the rise this week.

Hopefully every one knows not to open mail from an unknown entity.
Especially if it has an attachment.

Shelley

Flat black spray paint...

Dick H



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Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 6:31 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] fyi


The Miami County Zoning Commission advised me today they have a permit
application from a church in Wea. Wea is a little village on Metcalf a few
miles north of the observatory. They plan to light the steeple from below.
Just another little encroachment but I don't see any realistic action we
should take.

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--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "David Hudgins" <dhudgins@k...> wrote:

> Also, in case of bad weather at the Plaza, what do you think of a SECOND
> program someplace inside...like a shopping mall? 

Shopping malls are almost too late in the game.
The couple years I headed up Astronomy Day, you had to start in
December/January for bookings. Ususally by this late in the game, you
are looking at May or June to get in anywhere. There is also the
subject of liability insuramce. You have to provide a copy - and I am
not really sure what is going on there, since I have heard both "yes
and no" that we are covered off site. Malls won't let you in the door
if you don't have coverage on site. 

Rob

Looks like the public outcry to keep the Hubble is having a positive 
effect.
http://skyandtelescope.com/news/article_1165_1.asp

--James Pageau


On Jan 28, 2004, at 6:05 PM, Joseph Wright wrote:

> I received an email on the observatory egroup that I belong to.  It 
> has a link to sign a petition to save the Hubble.  If you would like 
> to add your name, here is the address.
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Could the put them on a timer so that they are not on all night.  Maybe  
turn them off at 10 or 11 pm so that there is a good portion of the  
night kept dark.

Or.... we could let them know how "Humanistic" it would be to highlight  
"Man's" creation over "God's" wonderful night sky.  Read them some  
bible chapters on golden idols and let the "fear of God" keep them in  
line. ; )

--James Pageau

On Jan 30, 2004, at 9:16 AM, Shelley Granger wrote:

> Do we have any alternate lighting suggestions for them? How could you
> light it without to much damage? I don't know if any of you have seen
> the new Cass County Justice Center in Harrisonville but they did a
> wonderful job on the lighting for it.
>
> Shelley
>
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> From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 10:07 PM
> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
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>
> This is why I posted the note. I'm not very diplomatic. I was hoping
> someone more tactful would step up and offer to interact with them. The
> church people may get in touch with us sometime in the near future. I
> know the Miami county guy said he recomended to them that the contact
> us.
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: George Allen
>   To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 8:13 PM
>   Subject: Re: [ASKC] fyi
>
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>   Isn't there a chance we could convince just one light freak, that by
>   putting the lights on top of the steeple, billboard, skyscaper,
>   whatever, the spilled light would benefit them by lighting the  
> grounds
>   around their whatever??? 
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>   Likewise, the engineers that design interstate sign lighting...how
> many
>   times have you seen a bank of lights pointed upward on an overhead
> road
>   sign (75% going into space) then right alongside there is a couple
>   metal post with more lights, these aimed down below the sign onto the
>   roadway?  Your tax dollars are feeding those interstate light
> fixtures.
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>   David, I disrespectfully disagree with you on this point.  Can
> someone,
>   more diplomatic than me,  meet with the church, uh, people, and tell
>   them you know how they can get free lighting for the area around the
>   building?  While changing bulbs might be a problem, vandals who break
>   lights won't.  WWJD? Well, He would be in favor of conserving power,
>   the generation of which bestows hardships on various humans.   
> Actually
>   I don't recall a mention of any lights during the night at all in the
>   Valhala of Genesis.
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>   Just a stray thought.   Genesis 1:4
>   Amen,
>   George
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>   > The Miami County Zoning Commission advised me today they have a
>   > permit application from a church in Wea. Wea is a little village on
>   > Metcalf a few miles north of the observatory. They plan to light  
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In a message dated 1/30/04 8:37:39 PM Central Standard Time, 
james@... writes:


> Looks like the public outcry to keep the Hubble is having a positive 
> effect.
> http://skyandtelescope.com/news/article_1165_1.asp
> 
> --James Pageau

It is interesting to note that NASA director O'Keefe is the one taking the 
heat, not the person who proposed the manned missions to Mars, and the need to 
divert existing NASA budgets to fund that initiative.

Under the circumstances, it looks like O'Keefe has made a shrewd political 
move to get the public behind saving the HST.

Ed Flaspoehler, Dallas


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Wow hope your feeling better soon! Sounds like a lot to go through at
one time. Shelley

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Dick Harshaw [mailto:dwharshaw@...] 
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 6:55 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
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Hey, Shelley-- you still the Librarian?  I know you wanted all the books
returned this Saturday night for inventory, but I won't be there-- just
got
home tonight from spending a week at North KC HOspital, where I had my
gall
bladder removed and heart de-fibbed.  (Now I tell the truth all the
time).

Will see you guys asap, but not this week.


Dick Harshaw


-----Original Message-----
From: Shelley Granger [mailto:sgranger@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 11:04 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ASKC] yahoo


Rick I have had at lest 6 of these the last couple of days.  I just
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Hopefully every one knows not to open mail from an unknown entity.
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Hey Dick, you need to take a few days off. Forget the book. You take care of yourself and get well soon!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 6:54 PM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] yahoo


  Hey, Shelley-- you still the Librarian?  I know you wanted all the books
  returned this Saturday night for inventory, but I won't be there-- just got
  home tonight from spending a week at North KC HOspital, where I had my gall
  bladder removed and heart de-fibbed.  (Now I tell the truth all the time).

  Will see you guys asap, but not this week.


  Dick Harshaw


  -----Original Message-----
  From: Shelley Granger [mailto:sgranger@...]
  Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 11:04 PM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] yahoo


  Rick I have had at lest 6 of these the last couple of days.  I just
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Hey Dick, I didn't know you were feeling poorly but happy to hear you are
doing better now. Do what the doc says and take care of yourself.

Gary
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Dick Harshaw [mailto:dwharshaw@...]
  Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 6:55 PM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] yahoo


  Hey, Shelley-- you still the Librarian?  I know you wanted all the books
  returned this Saturday night for inventory, but I won't be there-- just
got
  home tonight from spending a week at North KC HOspital, where I had my
gall
  bladder removed and heart de-fibbed.  (Now I tell the truth all the time).

  Will see you guys asap, but not this week.


  Dick Harshaw




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Thanks, GP.  One day at a time...

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-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 4:58 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
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Hey Dick, I didn't know you were feeling poorly but happy to hear you are
doing better now. Do what the doc says and take care of yourself.

Gary

HUBBLE GETS A REPRIEVE

The battle over the future of the Hubble Space Telescope has taken a turn
for the better, at least from the perspective of the observatory's
supporters. The conflict began on January 16th, when NASA administrator
Sean O'Keefe shocked astronomers worldwide by announcing that there will
be no more Space Shuttle missions to maintain and upgrade the orbiting
telescope. Five days later Senator Barbara Mikulski, whose home state of
Maryland hosts both the NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center and the Space
Telescope Science Institute, sent a letter to O'Keefe asking him to
reconsider his decision. In the week thereafter, her request was bolstered
by a huge outcry from professional astronomers, backyard stargazers, and
the public -- including many SKY & TELESCOPE readers who wrote to express
their concerns. Apparently bowing to all this pressure, O'Keefe has now
agreed to reconsider his decision to abandon Hubble....

> http://SkyandTelescope.com/news/article_1165_1.asp

Bummer. Sorry to here you've had those problems Dick. 

The meeting was last week on the 24th. We'll be looking for you on Feb 21 (not Feb 28) at the one week earlier than usual GM with David Levey.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 6:54 PM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] yahoo


  Hey, Shelley-- you still the Librarian?  I know you wanted all the books
  returned this Saturday night for inventory, but I won't be there-- just got
  home tonight from spending a week at North KC HOspital, where I had my gall
  bladder removed and heart de-fibbed.  (Now I tell the truth all the time).

  Will see you guys asap, but not this week.


  Dick Harshaw


  -----Original Message-----
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  Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 11:04 PM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] yahoo


  Rick I have had at lest 6 of these the last couple of days.  I just
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Wonder if we have any ASKC members who are also members of this Wea church
???

Carroll Iorg

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Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 23:08
Subject: Re: [ASKC] fyi


> Cost is the overlaying concern when it comes to lighting.  Most clients
are interested in the initial cost of installation and then maintenance.
They see it far more cost effective to have the light more easily accessible
than using a man lift or cherry picker.  The light source
> position would have to be higher and at an angle to illuminate the
billboard and be out of the line of sight of the product.  I would hope true
illumination engineers would be more considerate.  The average sparkie isn't
required to take lighting design.  The client doesn't listen well
> when you start talking about lumens, lumination, illumination and
efficacy.  How much, how bright, how long!!!  On the other hand, the
designer will tell you the light draws you from the base of the cross or
steeple up to the top and on to heaven.  If we are contacted, maybe we
should
> suggest a lower wattage, monochromatic lamp pointing down from the
steeple. Further state that this more somber affect will stimulate people
instead of a blazing steeple.  I would guess that they will light all four
sides???
>
> Since I left school, there has been a lot of new products for lighting.
Some of them pretty cool.  I get pissed of seeing some dumb developer or
building taking a plain brick wall and flooding is with light.  Example,
Home Depot on 135th.  It can't be for security, there is no doors
> along the wall.  Brick, brick and more brick, all lit up.
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there really is no place to have  an Astronomy Day set up on the Plaza. We
tried this a few years back. They had us set up over by the big fountain ,
on place to park ,therefore no People.Lets think of aplace where the public
thinks OUTDORES like CABELLAS.
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Shelley Granger [mailto:sgranger@...]
  Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 5:42 PM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] Astronomy Day


  Dave I was thinking along the same lines. Why not find out how many
  people we have who can participate and maybe we could do several sites.
  Maybe I missed something (more than likely I forgot any discussion about
  this) Why are we not doing this at Science City? Shelley





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  From: David Hudgins [mailto:dhudgins@...]
  Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 4:57 PM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] Astronomy Day



  Hi Folks,

  Regarding Astronomy Day - yep, I think it would be fun to try a program
  at
  the Plaza. And I would be happy to help coordinate that, get permission,
  whatever.

  Also, in case of bad weather at the Plaza, what do you think of a SECOND
  program someplace inside...like a shopping mall? Or any other location
  that
  some ASKC folks might be interested in supporting. There is no law that
  we
  can have only one location is there?

  Do you think we might do better with three telescopes at two locations,
  rather than six telescopes at a single spot? Several telescopes, a table
  with brochures and running the ASKC video on a laptop, and hey, that's
  about
  all we need! Well, OK...clear weather too!

  Isn't Astronomy Day Saturday April 24?

  Dave H.


  ----- Original Message -----
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  To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
  Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 4:34 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] Union Station


  > Since I'm a "key to the city" owner I get e-mail alerts from Union
  Station. Interesting that they are promoting the Deep Mission to the
  Abyss,
  a special on ballads, A Mardi Gras party, and a new theatrical
  production.
  Nothing about Science City.
  >
  > One of Marcia's co-workers is works for 102.1 and 93.3 FM as a
  promotions
  manager. He's done numerous on site live feeds from Union Station. He
  didn't
  know there was a planetarium there. Why does that not surprise me?
  >
  > He did offer to do a live feed for Astronomy Day! He needs to know
  where,
  when, etc. I hope we can get decoded at the February board meeting but
  we
  should get ideas out now. The Plaza sounds good but we need someone to
  jump
  in and check the logistics, permissions, etc. Any volunteers?
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Larry,

Is the "Cabellas" you mentioned another location at the Plaza? Not sure that
I understand exactly.

Also, when you tried the Plaza near the fountains some years ago, did you
have clear skies that night? Or were there just not a lot of people on the
Plaaaaza walking around. I can see it maybe being a bit cool on April 24 for
a lot of foot traffic.

Dave H.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Goode" <woodshop@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 5:02 PM
Subject: RE: [ASKC] Astronomy Day


> there really is no place to have  an Astronomy Day set up on the Plaza. We
> tried this a few years back. They had us set up over by the big fountain ,
> on place to park ,therefore no People.Lets think of aplace where the
public
> thinks OUTDORES like CABELLAS.
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: Shelley Granger [mailto:sgranger@...]
>   Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 5:42 PM
>   To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: RE: [ASKC] Astronomy Day
>
>
>   Dave I was thinking along the same lines. Why not find out how many
>   people we have who can participate and maybe we could do several sites.
>   Maybe I missed something (more than likely I forgot any discussion about
>   this) Why are we not doing this at Science City? Shelley
>
>
>
>
>
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: David Hudgins [mailto:dhudgins@...]
>   Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 4:57 PM
>   To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: Re: [ASKC] Astronomy Day
>
>
>
>   Hi Folks,
>
>   Regarding Astronomy Day - yep, I think it would be fun to try a program
>   at
>   the Plaza. And I would be happy to help coordinate that, get permission,
>   whatever.
>
>   Also, in case of bad weather at the Plaza, what do you think of a SECOND
>   program someplace inside...like a shopping mall? Or any other location
>   that
>   some ASKC folks might be interested in supporting. There is no law that
>   we
>   can have only one location is there?
>
>   Do you think we might do better with three telescopes at two locations,
>   rather than six telescopes at a single spot? Several telescopes, a table
>   with brochures and running the ASKC video on a laptop, and hey, that's
>   about
>   all we need! Well, OK...clear weather too!
>
>   Isn't Astronomy Day Saturday April 24?
>
>   Dave H.
>
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: "David Young" <dyoung8@...>
>   To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
>   Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 4:34 PM
>   Subject: [ASKC] Union Station
>
>
>   > Since I'm a "key to the city" owner I get e-mail alerts from Union
>   Station. Interesting that they are promoting the Deep Mission to the
>   Abyss,
>   a special on ballads, A Mardi Gras party, and a new theatrical
>   production.
>   Nothing about Science City.
>   >
>   > One of Marcia's co-workers is works for 102.1 and 93.3 FM as a
>   promotions
>   manager. He's done numerous on site live feeds from Union Station. He
>   didn't
>   know there was a planetarium there. Why does that not surprise me?
>   >
>   > He did offer to do a live feed for Astronomy Day! He needs to know
>   where,
>   when, etc. I hope we can get decoded at the February board meeting but
>   we
>   should get ideas out now. The Plaza sounds good but we need someone to
>   jump
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--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "David Hudgins" <dhudgins@k...> wrote:
> Is the "Cabellas" you mentioned another location at the Plaza? Not
sure that
> I understand exactly.

Man ! Are you a hermit or something????????
CABELLAS up off of I-435 & State - The world's largest outfitter of
sporting, hunting an outdoor goods and accessories......

Dick,
I hope you're back good as new real soon.

Carroll Iorg
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dick Harshaw" <dwharshaw@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 18:54
Subject: RE: [ASKC] yahoo


> Hey, Shelley-- you still the Librarian?  I know you wanted all the books
> returned this Saturday night for inventory, but I won't be there-- just
got
> home tonight from spending a week at North KC HOspital, where I had my
gall
> bladder removed and heart de-fibbed.  (Now I tell the truth all the time).
>
> Will see you guys asap, but not this week.
>
>
> Dick Harshaw
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shelley Granger [mailto:sgranger@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 11:04 PM
> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [ASKC] yahoo
>
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> Rick I have had at lest 6 of these the last couple of days.  I just
> delete them. They do seem to be on the rise this week.
>
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--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Larry Goode" <woodshop@c...> wrote:
Lets think of aplace where the public thinks OUTDORES like CABELLAS.


Larry - you know, you may have hit upon an idea here.
Cabella's has 1,000 if not tens of thousands of people enter through
their doors everyday. Their parking lot is always jammed packed. I
suspect since the next closest store is in Nebraska, we get people
from with a 200 miles radius going to that store every day.
AND with WYCO promoting the hell out of the newly developed area
(NASCAR, Nebraska Furniture Mart, Minor Baseball League, etc), maybe
we could get some free advertising from the WYCO Unified Govt.
Something they have never had done in their area before.....
Just a thought.

Hi Rob,

Heh, heh - yes, I guess I must be "a hermit or something"! : ^ )  I did not
recognize the name Cabellas. Big store, huh?

Now that you mention it, Marianne has ALSO often told me (under her breath)
that I "am somethin'! ". But all along I 've been hoping that might be a
good thing.....?   : ^ (

Dave H.


Rob says....
>
> Man ! Are you a hermit or something????????
> CABELLAS up off of I-435 & State - The world's largest outfitter of
> sporting, hunting an outdoor goods and accessories......
> >
>

If you go out today be sure to wrap yourself in bubble wrap! A friend of mine insists on going to the computer show but I insist that he's driving and we go back roads at 15 mph. If you don't hear from me by dark inform Jen she's the pres.

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Thanks, Carroll.  I'm feeling about 85% now and getting stronger every day.
The new meds seem to be working fine with no side effects (as if you could
tell with me anyway...).

Dick


-----Original Message-----
From: Carroll Iorg [mailto:carroll-iorg@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 7:35 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] yahoo


Dick,
I hope you're back good as new real soon.

Carroll Iorg

Folks, 

I am looking for some of our "observer members" to host our local monthly club star parties starting in July. I'd like to get them on our website and newsletter calendar. Who can help? You get to pick the date, location, any special theme (observing fun is fine too!), etc. Please contact me (Dave Hudgins) as soon as possible. Check the moon of course!

Here's some information from the website about our monthly star parties: 
  Many of our club members enjoy getting together to enjoy a star filled night sky and the company of friends. Maybe you are a fairly new ASKC member and need a little help using that new telescope, or just finding your way among the stars to those amazing nebula or galaxies? Whether a novice or expert sky observer, we welcome you to join our monthly starparties for club members!

  The location for our Monthly Star Parties will vary, but will generally be within a short drive of the Kansas City area. We will try a variety of locations to serve all our members. Join us and you will learn some handy new observing spots for your personal use too!

  Each Monthly Star Party will be hosted by an experienced club member. They will pick the date, location, and sometimes a special theme for extra fun. Usually we will schedule the star parties for a Saturday evening. But sometimes we may choose a Friday night when the moon is right, and there is a press of other activities. 

  If you have any questions about a particular star party, contact the host directly for more information.....Now let's go observing!

  To all those who helped and also attended in the past, I say a big THANKS!  I look foward to another fun year of relaxed observing with club members under a beautiful and starry night sky!

  Dave H.  
 


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No problem on the roads, just drive carefully and you won't have any trouble. At least so far;-)

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Hello
Several members have Meade and other scopes from 8 to 12 inches. I am passing 
on the information to the askc group and if anyone has information they 
should contact you directly.
Thanks for the information and I wish you good luck with telescopes. 

Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), 
Olathe, KS. USA
FGU astronomy consultant, Harvard U.-
Member, ASKC (Astronomical Society of Kansas City), Comet Observers Award 
Moderator, Astronomical League. 
(http://www.astroleague.org/al/obsclubs/obsclub.html) (http://members.aol.com/kcstarguy/blacksun/cometaward.htm); State of 
Kansas- Solar System Ambassador - JPL (Jet Propulson Lab);
 7 total solar eclipses and counting
In a message dated 2/1/04 2:04:20 PM, ammel@... writes:

<< From Frank Ammel  - E-mail  ammel@...

Some years ago I was a member of the ASKC . When I have a question your club 
comes to mind.

Does anyone in or about POWELL have the MEADE LXD55 8inch S-N ?

Any comments - ease of use - optics - any other comments..

Maybe it will help me one way or another//

I am in a small club in FL/ any help -thanks//  
 >>

Hi, Everyone --

I wanted to let you know that Mitch and Heidi Glaze made it back to Kansas
City yesterday.   They went to Colorado on vacation two weeks ago, and were
in a serious car accident that totaled their car.   They both spent a few
hours in the hospital, and from what Mitch has told me, they were "pretty
banged around".   They might be looking for a good deal on a car, so if you
know of one, let Mitch know...    mglaze@...

Welcome back, Mitch and Heidi!!!

Jackie

David and All --

We were set up for the day around the J.C.Nichols fountain -- you know, the
big one on the east end of the Plaza.   It was not a nice day, raining on
and off, so it was not too successful.   The weather can creat a BOMB for
any Astronomy Day/Night.

Jackie
  -----Original Message-----
  From: David Hudgins [mailto:dhudgins@...]
  Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 5:29 PM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] Astronomy Day at plaza


  Larry,

  Is the "Cabellas" you mentioned another location at the Plaza? Not sure
that
  I understand exactly.

  Also, when you tried the Plaza near the fountains some years ago, did you
  have clear skies that night? Or were there just not a lot of people on the
  Plaaaaza walking around. I can see it maybe being a bit cool on April 24
for
  a lot of foot traffic.

  Dave H.
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Larry Goode" <woodshop@...>
  To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
  Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 5:02 PM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] Astronomy Day


  > there really is no place to have  an Astronomy Day set up on the Plaza.
We
  > tried this a few years back. They had us set up over by the big fountain
,
  > on place to park ,therefore no People.Lets think of aplace where the
  public
  > thinks OUTDORES like CABELLAS.
  >   -----Original Message-----
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  >   Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 5:42 PM
  >   To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  >   Subject: RE: [ASKC] Astronomy Day
  >
  >
  >   Dave I was thinking along the same lines. Why not find out how many
  >   people we have who can participate and maybe we could do several
sites.
  >   Maybe I missed something (more than likely I forgot any discussion
about
  >   this) Why are we not doing this at Science City? Shelley
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >   -----Original Message-----
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  >   Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 4:57 PM
  >   To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  >   Subject: Re: [ASKC] Astronomy Day
  >
  >
  >
  >   Hi Folks,
  >
  >   Regarding Astronomy Day - yep, I think it would be fun to try a
program
  >   at
  >   the Plaza. And I would be happy to help coordinate that, get
permission,
  >   whatever.
  >
  >   Also, in case of bad weather at the Plaza, what do you think of a
SECOND
  >   program someplace inside...like a shopping mall? Or any other location
  >   that
  >   some ASKC folks might be interested in supporting. There is no law
that
  >   we
  >   can have only one location is there?
  >
  >   Do you think we might do better with three telescopes at two
locations,
  >   rather than six telescopes at a single spot? Several telescopes, a
table
  >   with brochures and running the ASKC video on a laptop, and hey, that's
  >   about
  >   all we need! Well, OK...clear weather too!
  >
  >   Isn't Astronomy Day Saturday April 24?
  >
  >   Dave H.
  >
  >
  >   ----- Original Message -----
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  >   To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
  >   Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 4:34 PM
  >   Subject: [ASKC] Union Station
  >
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  >   > Since I'm a "key to the city" owner I get e-mail alerts from Union
  >   Station. Interesting that they are promoting the Deep Mission to the
  >   Abyss,
  >   a special on ballads, A Mardi Gras party, and a new theatrical
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  >   Nothing about Science City.
  >   >
  >   > One of Marcia's co-workers is works for 102.1 and 93.3 FM as a
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  >   manager. He's done numerous on site live feeds from Union Station. He
  >   didn't
  >   know there was a planetarium there. Why does that not surprise me?
  >   >
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  >   when, etc. I hope we can get decoded at the February board meeting but
  >   we
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Here is an interesting web site, on a subject that is near and dear to us...

Jackie


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Mitch,

I am so sorry to hear about your accident, but VERY glad that you and Heidi are back and hope that you both are doing well in spite of it all.

Rick Henderson
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jackie Beucher 
  To: askc@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 5:50 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] Welcome back to Mitch & Heidi Glaze


  Hi, Everyone --

  I wanted to let you know that Mitch and Heidi Glaze made it back to Kansas
  City yesterday.   They went to Colorado on vacation two weeks ago, and were
  in a serious car accident that totaled their car.   They both spent a few
  hours in the hospital, and from what Mitch has told me, they were "pretty
  banged around".   They might be looking for a good deal on a car, so if you
  know of one, let Mitch know...    mglaze@...

  Welcome back, Mitch and Heidi!!!

  Jackie




   

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I am glad to here that Mitch and Heidi were both OK

     Larry Goode
  -----Original Message-----
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  To: askc@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [ASKC] Welcome back to Mitch & Heidi Glaze


  Hi, Everyone --

  I wanted to let you know that Mitch and Heidi Glaze made it back to Kansas
  City yesterday.   They went to Colorado on vacation two weeks ago, and
were
  in a serious car accident that totaled their car.   They both spent a few
  hours in the hospital, and from what Mitch has told me, they were "pretty
  banged around".   They might be looking for a good deal on a car, so if
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A BIG WELCOME BACK MITCH AND HEIDI !

We are certainly glad you weren't seriously injured by that truck. I'll bet you still have some sore spots from the looks of your car in the photos. They weren't high enough resolution to use in the photo workshop but the folks at the workshop wondered how you managed not to have bunch of broken ribs!

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For sure!  Glad you and Heidi are ok, Mitch.  It is much harder to replace a
human than a car, and from the sounds of it, you were both fortunate in that
you were not seriously injured.  Welcome back, and count your stars!


Dick H


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From: Larry Goode [mailto:woodshop@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 6:50 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ASKC] Welcome back to Mitch & Heidi Glaze


I am glad to here that Mitch and Heidi were both OK

     Larry Goode
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  Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 5:51 PM
  To: askc@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [ASKC] Welcome back to Mitch & Heidi Glaze


  Hi, Everyone --

  I wanted to let you know that Mitch and Heidi Glaze made it back to Kansas
  City yesterday.   They went to Colorado on vacation two weeks ago, and
were
  in a serious car accident that totaled their car.   They both spent a few
  hours in the hospital, and from what Mitch has told me, they were "pretty
  banged around".   They might be looking for a good deal on a car, so if
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  know of one, let Mitch know...    mglaze@...

  Welcome back, Mitch and Heidi!!!

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    David, did you make note of my request for reservation of the Observatory on April 17th? I don't expect we will be there very late, so you can schedule others for after 10:00 P.M. 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 11:45 AM
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  No problem on the roads, just drive carefully and you won't have any trouble. At least so far;-)

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    Glad to hear you are doing better. Hope you recover to 100% soon we have alot of work to do at the Ob. Just kidding, get well soon.
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Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 5:50 PM
Subject: [ASKC] Welcome back to Mitch & Heidi Glaze


Hi, Everyone --

I wanted to let you know that Mitch and Heidi Glaze made it back to Kansas
City yesterday.   They went to Colorado on vacation two weeks ago, and were
in a serious car accident that totaled their car.   They both spent a few
hours in the hospital, and from what Mitch has told me, they were "pretty
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Yup. Not only is it in my little black book, it's listed on the Yahoo calendar page with your name on the group.
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  Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 10:06 PM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] no problem


      David, did you make note of my request for reservation of the Observatory on April 17th? I don't expect we will be there very late, so you can schedule others for after 10:00 P.M. 
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I went to Cargo Largo (RSO) again and bid on a pallet that had a metal detector on it. The metal detector works perfectly. Also on the pallet was a radio controlled car, a RC suv, and RC hellicopter, a battery powered airplane, a 12 tv/radio/light gizmo, and a digital mantle clock. Also on the pallet and what I noticed first was a telescope with a missing star diagonal. Now I have a Meade DS90EC refractor with Autostar controller. There was a broken wire on the power pack but after I fixed that it seems to work ok so now I need to see what a diagonal will cost me. 

If you ever have some time to spare on a Thursday afternoon, you might want to go look through the stuff out there. I've gotten some real deals on many things including telescopes and computers.

It does have a down side. I got yelled at when I drove the RC Porche over Marcia's foot a little while ago.

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I have one of the 8 inch Meade LXD55 bad dudes. Mine is a Schmidt Newtonian model. It has pretty good optics and most of the time the tracking and goto functions pretty good. Every once in awhile it will go crazy though. I had one occasion where the batteries were low and it started acting up. I got no notification that the batteries were low and didn't think about it until someone suggested that that might be the problem I plugged the AC power in and the dang thing still went off to lala land instead of where I told it to go. I had to do a reset or something ( forgot what ) before it started working properly again. Several other members have LXD55's also and they have mostly had bad luck with the goto function. One guy told me that there is a web site (maybe a chat room) for the LXD55 and that it is full of negative posts regarding the scope and the goto function. The tripod is severely lacking in stability and sturdiness. I have been generally satisfied considering the low budget thing that it is. My LX200 goto was much more reliable scope.

Johnny Allen ( topallen@... ) 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: KCStarguy@... 
  To: ammel@... ; ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 3:03 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] Re: Telescope Question


  Hello
  Several members have Meade and other scopes from 8 to 12 inches. I am passing 
  on the information to the askc group and if anyone has information they 
  should contact you directly.
  Thanks for the information and I wish you good luck with telescopes. 

  Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), 
  Olathe, KS. USA
  FGU astronomy consultant, Harvard U.-
  Member, ASKC (Astronomical Society of Kansas City), Comet Observers Award 
  Moderator, Astronomical League. 
  (http://www.astroleague.org/al/obsclubs/obsclub.html) (http://members.aol.com/kcstarguy/blacksun/cometaward.htm); State of 
  Kansas- Solar System Ambassador - JPL (Jet Propulson Lab);
  7 total solar eclipses and counting
  In a message dated 2/1/04 2:04:20 PM, ammel@... writes:

  << From Frank Ammel  - E-mail  ammel@...

  Some years ago I was a member of the ASKC . When I have a question your club 
  comes to mind.

  Does anyone in or about POWELL have the MEADE LXD55 8inch S-N ?

  Any comments - ease of use - optics - any other comments..

  Maybe it will help me one way or another//

  I am in a small club in FL/ any help -thanks//  
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Thank you! Thank you very much.
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  Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 10:26 PM
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  Yup. Not only is it in my little black book, it's listed on the Yahoo calendar page with your name on the group.
    ----- Original Message ----- 
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    To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
    Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 10:06 PM
    Subject: Re: [ASKC] no problem


        David, did you make note of my request for reservation of the Observatory on April 17th? I don't expect we will be there very late, so you can schedule others for after 10:00 P.M. 
      ----- Original Message ----- 
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      To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
      Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 11:45 AM
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      No problem on the roads, just drive carefully and you won't have any trouble. At least so far;-)

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Is there a good place to eat in Louisburg? I haven't been in town for a long while. Not since the Cattleman's Resturant burned down. It need not be a BBQ place.

Randy
  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 10:26 PM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] no problem


  Yup. Not only is it in my little black book, it's listed on the Yahoo calendar page with your name on the group.
    ----- Original Message ----- 
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    To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
    Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 10:06 PM
    Subject: Re: [ASKC] no problem


        David, did you make note of my request for reservation of the Observatory on April 17th? I don't expect we will be there very late, so you can schedule others for after 10:00 P.M. 
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: David Young 
      To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
      Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 11:45 AM
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      No problem on the roads, just drive carefully and you won't have any trouble. At least so far;-)

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Can the public go to this area where you bid on pallets of stuff? If not can you bring in guests?

Randy
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  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 10:53 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] rso


  I went to Cargo Largo (RSO) again and bid on a pallet that had a metal detector on it. The metal detector works perfectly. Also on the pallet was a radio controlled car, a RC suv, and RC hellicopter, a battery powered airplane, a 12 tv/radio/light gizmo, and a digital mantle clock. Also on the pallet and what I noticed first was a telescope with a missing star diagonal. Now I have a Meade DS90EC refractor with Autostar controller. There was a broken wire on the power pack but after I fixed that it seems to work ok so now I need to see what a diagonal will cost me. 

  If you ever have some time to spare on a Thursday afternoon, you might want to go look through the stuff out there. I've gotten some real deals on many things including telescopes and computers.

  It does have a down side. I got yelled at when I drove the RC Porche over Marcia's foot a little while ago.

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Sounds cool.  Sometime  I will have to get out to it.  Where is it 
located?

-- James Pageau

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> I went to Cargo Largo (RSO) again and bid on a pallet that had a metal 
> detector on it. The metal detector works perfectly. Also on the pallet 
> was a radio controlled car, a RC suv, and RC hellicopter, a battery 
> powered airplane, a 12 tv/radio/light gizmo, and a digital mantle 
> clock. Also on the pallet and what I noticed first was a telescope 
> with a missing star diagonal. Now I have a Meade DS90EC refractor with 
> Autostar controller. There was a broken wire on the power pack but 
> after I fixed that it seems to work ok so now I need to see what a 
> diagonal will cost me.
>
> If you ever have some time to spare on a Thursday afternoon, you might 
> want to go look through the stuff out there. I've gotten some real 
> deals on many things including telescopes and computers.
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> It does have a down side. I got yelled at when I drove the RC Porche 
> over Marcia's foot a little while ago.
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It's no longer restricted to people with tax numbers. Anyone can go in and register and bid on the junk/stuff/pallets. It's just north of the twin drive in theaters on 291 in the Carefree Industrial Park. Bidding is from 2:00 until 7:00 PM on Thursdays. There are several downsides. You tend to accumulate stuff and you blow 4 hours in travel time, bidding and picking the stuff up if you get something you bid on. The up side is you get some cool stuff now and then really cheap.


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Randy -- Cattlemen's reopened at K68 and Metcalf shortly after the other
place burned down.   I've eaten there many times....

Jackie

-----Original Message-----
From: Randy [mailto:randythm@...]
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 12:37 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] no problem


Is there a good place to eat in Louisburg? I haven't been in town for a long
while. Not since the Cattleman's Resturant burned down. It need not be a BBQ
place.

Randy
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: David Young 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 10:26 PM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] no problem


  Yup. Not only is it in my little black book, it's listed on the Yahoo
calendar page with your name on the group.
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Randy 
    To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
    Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 10:06 PM
    Subject: Re: [ASKC] no problem


        David, did you make note of my request for reservation of the
Observatory on April 17th? I don't expect we will be there very late, so you
can schedule others for after 10:00 P.M. 
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: David Young 
      To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
      Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 11:45 AM
      Subject: [ASKC] no problem


      No problem on the roads, just drive carefully and you won't have any
trouble. At least so far;-)

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There's also a place just east of Metcalf, Hometown Pizza on the east side of Broadway just south of 68, and a Chinese joint I've never tried on the other side of the street. They closed Portabello's last year darn it. I've been disappointed in the quality of the food at Cattlemen's the last two times I was in there but perhaps that was a fluke?
  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 12:37 AM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] no problem


  Is there a good place to eat in Louisburg? I haven't been in town for a long while. Not since the Cattleman's Resturant burned down. It need not be a BBQ place.

  Randy
    ----- Original Message ----- 
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    To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
    Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 10:26 PM
    Subject: Re: [ASKC] no problem


    Yup. Not only is it in my little black book, it's listed on the Yahoo calendar page with your name on the group.
      ----- Original Message ----- 
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      To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
      Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 10:06 PM
      Subject: Re: [ASKC] no problem


          David, did you make note of my request for reservation of the Observatory on April 17th? I don't expect we will be there very late, so you can schedule others for after 10:00 P.M. 
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: David Young 
        To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
        Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 11:45 AM
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We are also glad to hear you made it back in one piece!!!   Shellet

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Henderson [mailto:rhenderson1@...] 
Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 6:28 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Welcome back to Mitch & Heidi Glaze

 

Mitch,

I am so sorry to hear about your accident, but VERY glad that you and
Heidi are back and hope that you both are doing well in spite of it all.

Rick Henderson
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jackie Beucher 
  To: askc@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 5:50 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] Welcome back to Mitch & Heidi Glaze


  Hi, Everyone --

  I wanted to let you know that Mitch and Heidi Glaze made it back to
Kansas
  City yesterday.   They went to Colorado on vacation two weeks ago, and
were
  in a serious car accident that totaled their car.   They both spent a
few
  hours in the hospital, and from what Mitch has told me, they were
"pretty
  banged around".   They might be looking for a good deal on a car, so
if you
  know of one, let Mitch know...    mglaze@...

  Welcome back, Mitch and Heidi!!!

  Jackie




   

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I have determined that my problem of not accessing any yahoo mail 
group is computer specific.  My laptop.  I have also determined that 
when it comes to computers, hp stands for huge pile.  This problem is 
spuratic, but a pain.  

Joe

Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 10:21 AM
Subject: Lsbg Chamber, from Patsy


Hello members,

The Chamber is having an After Hours Business Mixer this Thursday (Feb. 5) at 5:30 - 7 p.m. The mixer is hosted by 
Reece and Nichols Real Estate Connection, 602 W. Amity in Louisburg. There is no charge and you are encouraged to bring guests.
This time allows members to visit in a casual setting and catch up on  what's going on in Louisburg and Miami County (and also provides  you  a chance to share what is going on with your business.) We hope this event can encourage new Chamber memberships and through networking introduces you to new people. The mixer will showcase the host business and their offices. If you are interested in hosting a mixer in the future please contact me at the Chamber office 837-2826.

The Louisburg Legislative Breakfast is scheduled for Saturday (Feb 7) at 7 A.M. in the High School. There is no charge.
This event is sponsored by Louisburg Banks: First Option Bank, First National Bank, First Kansas Federal Savings, Metcalf Bank, Peoples Bank and the Louisburg Chamber of Commerce. 

Thanks, be sure and contact the Chamber office if you have any questions or comments.
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Any takers?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Kay Heley 
To: David Young 
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 2:40 PM
Subject: RE: Scheduling a school night at Powell


David, we had to change the date of our Family Science Night/Men's Expo from 3/5 to Thursday, 3/11.  Our event runs from 6-8 but there will be a science show from 6:30-7:15 p.m.  East Antioch Elementary School.  Any chance for a couple telescopes?

ALSO, the East Antioch Carnival is Friday, 4/23 and the chairperson asked me to contact you.  The theme is Outer Space.  We would like to invite some people with telescopes also for that evening.  The event runs from 5-8, post-Daylight Savings Time change (4/4), so don't know what would be good times for a skyviewing.  

ALSO, do you have any other ideas for some outer space activities for us to plan for the kids at the carnival?  I would appreciate any.  Thanks!  Kay Heley  993-0007
-----Original Message-----
From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 5:31 PM
To: Kay Heley
Subject: Re: Scheduling a school night at Powell


I have you down for 6:00 on Friday November 21.

Please leave me a contact phone number. 
Please re-confirm 2 days prior to the scheduled night for a last minute weather check and reminder to me in case I have a brain cramp.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Kay Heley 
  To: dyoung8@... 
  Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 4:29 PM
  Subject: Scheduling a school night at Powell


  I was wondering about Nov. 21 for an East Antioch night at Powell - our 3rd attempt due to weather.  Let me know if that works for you.  Thanks!  Kay

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What else would get you attention, you could be a winner?

I spoke with Louisburg City Hall today, the water was turned off 
becuase a leak check was performed and it indicated that there is a 
leak at the observatory.  The consumption has been higher for the 
past two months.  Twenty-one thousand gallons to be exact.  The park 
facilities are shut down for the winter.  Barring a burst pipe, a 
toilet maybe malfunctioning.  We have a group reserved for this 
Friday.  The meter can be turned back on to find the leak and for 
observatory use.  If the leak is not repaired, the water needs to be 
turned back off when closing the observatory for the night.  I will 
try to arrange for a leak test to be performed when a representative 
from ASKC can be present during business hours (theirs, not ours).  
If we shut off the main supply in the kitchen, the test will tell us 
if the leak is underground.

Joe

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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Joe Wright 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 11:12 AM
  Subject: [ASKC] yahoo problem


  I have determined that my problem of not accessing any yahoo mail 
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  Joe




   


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