I saw a news report here in Fresno that showed the
type of greeen lasers that they think have been used
in these aircraft incidents. Believe me, thay are not
using what we have or anything like it. These are
lasers that look more like a small telescope and when
they beam into the cockpits of aircraft they report
that it sets the entire cabin aglow. They said that
these were not the kind of lasers that could be bought
over the counter, but have a much higher, military
grade output.

Johnny Allen
--- sc285 <webmaster@...> wrote:

> 
> With the popularity of the new green type laser,
> like most of us have
> been buying, there have been more and more reports
> of aircraft being
> targeted by the beams. Whether intentional or not,
> the FAA is
> concerned.
> I seriously doubt whether amateur astronomers are
> intentionally
> misusing these items. I do believe we should be
> aware of were we point
> these things, and to make sure no aircraft are in
> the vacinity of
> where we are pointing out things in the night sky.
> Ted Nichols, of the Astronomical Society of
> Harrisburg PA, recently
> sent out an article in one of the maillists I belong
> to concerning
> recent newspaper reportings of these incidents.
> Specifically:
>
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/12/29/laser.plane/index.html
>
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/12/09/terrorist.laser.ap/index.html
> 
> Today, he sent out another article concerning
> responses to his email.
> Here is his follow up from yesterday's email:
> 
> =====================================
> 
> Please see the below responses I've received from
> others, including a
> response from a member of the Ilda (International
> Laser Display
> Association.)
> 
> I believe some people took or may take my "I'm glad
> I don't own a
> green laser" comment out of context in a way meaning
> I didn't find
> them valuable to "astronomy education."
> 
> While I don't own one, I used to, and I do see their
> value in
> astronomy education and public outreach. I do
> commonly use another's
> responsibly but felt no need to own one of my own
> anymore. Maybe I
> felt it was only a matter of time till I would be
> "limited" in my use
> of them. I also feel they're great for public
> outreach in this day and
> age, it allows you to really point out something to
> people, but I will
> point out plenty of people learned the
> constellations before the
> advent of green lasers.
> 
> I've seen too many people hit in the eye with one of
> these and with
> the price coming down saw that irresponsible use of
> these would soon
> be commonplace. The "red" laser pointer was a great
> thing until it got
> a bad rap from kids taking them to school or public
> places and
> "accidentally" shooting others in the eye with them.
> I remember
> countless lawsuits in this area from red laser
> incidents.
> 
> I also heard someone respond to my e-mail pretty
> peeved saying that
> every astronomer who owns one uses them responsibly.
> I think that's a
> questionable claim. No matter how responsibly
> someone tries to use
> them, accidents happen, and blatant misuse is bound
> to occur. I've
> seen some of the most "responsible" people
> accidentally beam something
> they hadn't intended too or out of curiosity point
> it at objects other
> than in the sky.
> 
> And yes, I will say that I saw people at a Star
> Party when these
> things first became popular trying to light up the
> belly of airplanes
> and cautioned those I saw doing it against that.
> 
> Here are some other interesting responses that have
> came out on other
> groups I belong too:
> 
> Two more high visibility reports came out today. One
> from Yahoo news
> and another in Denver. They stated "green lasers" in
> them.
> http://asia.news.yahoo.com/041230/ap/d879nei00.html
>
http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~53~2625514,00.html
> 
> And here's a interesting response from Rob a member
> of the ILDA:
> 
> "Hi Ted and Everyone,
> 
> I feel I should pipe in here. I spent some years
> working with lasers
> within the entertainment industry. And I'm still a
> member of Ilda
> (International Laser Display Association, which is
> based in the US) .
> While it is true in the US you need whats called a
> "Variance Permit"
> for each and every laser system you own and use
> publicly over 5mw, And
> if you get caught using one without a permit. You
> will be fined, and
> have your laser confiscated by the CDRH officers who
> are the people
> who police those laws within the US. The FAA got
> involved due too the
> incidents involving an aircraft.
> 
> We in the laser community have been following this
> story since it
> broke,mAlthough the CDRH andmFAA are not pointing
> the finger at our
> industry, they have asked for our help within the
> US. Infact I would
> be interested to hear from anyone with information
> regarding following
> incidences.
> 
> On 11/21/04 at 1925 PST, 3 miles north of San Diego,
> the Sanyo Blimp
> (N15AB) was illuminated by a green laser reported to
> San Diego Tower,
> no injury.
> 
> On 12/6/04 at 2026 PST, 5 miles southwest of San
> Jose at 6000 feet,
> Southwest 2659 (B737) reported a green laser
> illuminated the cockpit,
> no injury. The co-pilot did complain of eye
> irritation.
> 
> However I would like to say a 5mw laser IS NOT a
> high powered laser,
> these devices are commonly found in laser pointers,
> scanning devices
> in your local supermarket and the like. Actually 5mw
> would be the
> biggest of these devices they are usually around the
> .25mw range. It
> is never advisable to point such a devices into the
> eyes of anyone's,
> even at these lower powers. The is allot to consider
> and there has
> been great discussion within the laser community.
> Regarding the
> ability to bring down an aircraft with a laser by
> blinding the pilots.
> And I could sit here and type out all the variables,
> beam convergence,
> power drop off, and not to mention the ability to be
> able
> to accurately track an aircrafts cockpit window 6000
> feet in the air
> traveling at xxxkph, just to name just a few. Even
> if you use a
> 20-40watt laser, now these systems can do real
> damage. You can swing
> you hand past the nose of a 20watt laser turned up
> to full power and
> receive a 3rd degree burn across your hand, 20-30
> meters down the
> track you will still be able to light a cigarette
> off the beam, but a
> 6000 feet the beam will have blown out to several
> feet in diameter
> losing allot of it power, I also might add that
> 20watt laser can fire
> a beam some 50kms depending on atmospheric
> conditions.
> 
> Although it has never occurred to me that an amateur
> astronomer maybe
> either by accident or on purpose be involved in
> these incidences. It
> is something that Ilda will now consider.
> 
> So if anyone knows of anyone playing with these
> devices in such a way.
> I would really like to hear about it. As it is these
> types of
> incidents that can bring down the laser
> industry within the US.
> 
> We in the laser community feel that the media is
> blowing 
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Would there be the slightest interest in doing some painting at Powell today?

We still have some new wood that has not been primed and the inside of the dome rail needs paint.

It's supposed to be over 60 degrees later today and over 50 tomorrow.

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http://wickedlasers.com/products.php?var=ok


Here is a source that has these (class 3B)* green lasers with very high
outputs and prices to match.  They claim powers as high as 50-60mw and a
beam output 20+ miles and can burn holes in black trash bags.  If this is
true, they could easily produce the results that we have heard about and
will fit in the shirt pocket like a pen.  These could easily light up the
flight deck of an aircraft with startling results to the crew.  This laser
looks almost exactly like ours, but this company has them in different
colors.  The case appears the same and the appearance of the laser is the
same so I believe it is the same Chinese manufacturer.

Please note that at least one of the sites I found last year was a site that
imported the same laser and then modified it to the higher powers.  I have
no idea of the ramifications of such a result and I would not want to resell
them.

For what is it worth, I believe this site may be offering the modified
versions.

*  Class 3A lasers are 5mw maximum.  Safe for general use by the FDA.
   Class 3B lasers appear to be for professional use only, whatever that
means with the potential risk of injury to the eye if improperly used.  Many
additional warnings are issued along with the use of these powerful lasers.

Dick T

-----Original Message-----
From: johnny allen [mailto:johnny111846@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 2:53 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Green Lasers


I saw a news report here in Fresno that showed the
type of greeen lasers that they think have been used
in these aircraft incidents. Believe me, thay are not
using what we have or anything like it. These are
lasers that look more like a small telescope and when
they beam into the cockpits of aircraft they report
that it sets the entire cabin aglow. They said that
these were not the kind of lasers that could be bought
over the counter, but have a much higher, military
grade output.

Johnny Allen
--- sc285 <webmaster@...> wrote:

>
> With the popularity of the new green type laser,
> like most of us have
> been buying, there have been more and more reports
> of aircraft being
> targeted by the beams. Whether intentional or not,
> the FAA is
> concerned.
> I seriously doubt whether amateur astronomers are
> intentionally
> misusing these items. I do believe we should be
> aware of were we point
> these things, and to make sure no aircraft are in
> the vacinity of
> where we are pointing out things in the night sky.
> Ted Nichols, of the Astronomical Society of
> Harrisburg PA, recently
> sent out an article in one of the maillists I belong
> to concerning
> recent newspaper reportings of these incidents.
> Specifically:
>
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/12/29/laser.plane/index.html
>
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/12/09/terrorist.laser.ap/index.html
>
> Today, he sent out another article concerning
> responses to his email.
> Here is his follow up from yesterday's email:
>
> =====================================
>
> Please see the below responses I've received from
> others, including a
> response from a member of the Ilda (International
> Laser Display
> Association.)
>
> I believe some people took or may take my "I'm glad
> I don't own a
> green laser" comment out of context in a way meaning
> I didn't find
> them valuable to "astronomy education."
>
> While I don't own one, I used to, and I do see their
> value in
> astronomy education and public outreach. I do
> commonly use another's
> responsibly but felt no need to own one of my own
> anymore. Maybe I
> felt it was only a matter of time till I would be
> "limited" in my use
> of them. I also feel they're great for public
> outreach in this day and
> age, it allows you to really point out something to
> people, but I will
> point out plenty of people learned the
> constellations before the
> advent of green lasers.
>
> I've seen too many people hit in the eye with one of
> these and with
> the price coming down saw that irresponsible use of
> these would soon
> be commonplace. The "red" laser pointer was a great
> thing until it got
> a bad rap from kids taking them to school or public
> places and
> "accidentally" shooting others in the eye with them.
> I remember
> countless lawsuits in this area from red laser
> incidents.
>
> I also heard someone respond to my e-mail pretty
> peeved saying that
> every astronomer who owns one uses them responsibly.
> I think that's a
> questionable claim. No matter how responsibly
> someone tries to use
> them, accidents happen, and blatant misuse is bound
> to occur. I've
> seen some of the most "responsible" people
> accidentally beam something
> they hadn't intended too or out of curiosity point
> it at objects other
> than in the sky.
>
> And yes, I will say that I saw people at a Star
> Party when these
> things first became popular trying to light up the
> belly of airplanes
> and cautioned those I saw doing it against that.
>
> Here are some other interesting responses that have
> came out on other
> groups I belong too:
>
> Two more high visibility reports came out today. One
> from Yahoo news
> and another in Denver. They stated "green lasers" in
> them.
> http://asia.news.yahoo.com/041230/ap/d879nei00.html
>
http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~53~2625514,00.html
>
> And here's a interesting response from Rob a member
> of the ILDA:
>
> "Hi Ted and Everyone,
>
> I feel I should pipe in here. I spent some years
> working with lasers
> within the entertainment industry. And I'm still a
> member of Ilda
> (International Laser Display Association, which is
> based in the US) .
> While it is true in the US you need whats called a
> "Variance Permit"
> for each and every laser system you own and use
> publicly over 5mw, And
> if you get caught using one without a permit. You
> will be fined, and
> have your laser confiscated by the CDRH officers who
> are the people
> who police those laws within the US. The FAA got
> involved due too the
> incidents involving an aircraft.
>
> We in the laser community have been following this
> story since it
> broke,mAlthough the CDRH andmFAA are not pointing
> the finger at our
> industry, they have asked for our help within the
> US. Infact I would
> be interested to hear from anyone with information
> regarding following
> incidences.
>
> On 11/21/04 at 1925 PST, 3 miles north of San Diego,
> the Sanyo Blimp
> (N15AB) was illuminated by a green laser reported to
> San Diego Tower,
> no injury.
>
> On 12/6/04 at 2026 PST, 5 miles southwest of San
> Jose at 6000 feet,
> Southwest 2659 (B737) reported a green laser
> illuminated the cockpit,
> no injury. The co-pilot did complain of eye
> irritation.
>
> However I would like to say a 5mw laser IS NOT a
> high powered laser,
> these devices are commonly found in laser pointers,
> scanning devices
> in your local supermarket and the like. Actually 5mw
> would be the
> biggest of these devices they are usually around the
> .25mw range. It
> is never advisable to point such a devices into the
> eyes of anyone's,
> even at these lower powers. The is allot to consider
> and there has
> been great discussion within the laser community.
> Regarding the
> ability to bring down an aircraft with a laser by
> blinding the pilots.
> And I could sit here and type out all the variables,
> beam convergence,
> power drop off, and not to mention the ability to be
> able
> to accurately track an aircrafts cockpit window 6000
> feet in the air
> traveling at xxxkph, just to name just a few. Even
> if you use a
> 20-40watt laser, now these systems can do real
> damage. You can swing
> you hand past the nose of a 20watt laser turned up
> to full power and
> receive a 3rd degree burn across your hand, 20-30
> meters down the
> track you will still be able to light a cigarette
> off the beam, but a
> 6000 feet the beam will have blown out to several
> feet in diameter
> losing allot of it power, I also might add that
> 20watt laser can fire
> a beam some 50kms depending on atmospheric
> conditions.
>
> Although it has never occurred to me that an amateur
> astronomer maybe
> either by accident or on purpose be involved in
> these incidences. It
> is something that Ilda will now consider.
>
> So if anyone knows of anyone playing with these
> devices in such a way.
> I would really like to hear about it. As it is these
> types of
> incidents that can bring down the laser
> industry within the US.
>
> We in the laser community feel that the media is
> blowing
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It seems to be kind of wet outside to be painting.  The 12" enclosure needs
"new" "painted" doors as the unpainted ones that were installed the last
time are severely warped and will not allow proper closure.  Maybe a "2 ton
clamp" might be used to force them closed if we were of a mind to try, but I
think it may require new treated or painted wood this time.

D T

-----Original Message-----
From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 11:41 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] silly question


Would there be the slightest interest in doing some painting at Powell
today?

We still have some new wood that has not been primed and the inside of the
dome rail needs paint.

It's supposed to be over 60 degrees later today and over 50 tomorrow.

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http://repairfaq.ece.drexel.edu/sam/laserpic/glpdpics.htm

Dissection of Green Laser Pointer
Here is the complete sequence of photos of the dissection of a 532 nm green
laser pointer. Since no green direct injection laser diodes are currently
available, these pointers are based on the use of Diode Pumped Solid State
Frequency Doubled (DPSSFD) laser technology. A high power IR laser diode at
808 nm pumps a tiny block of Nd:YVO4 generating light at 1,064 nm which
feeds a KTP intracavity frequency doubler crystal to produce the green beam
at 532 nm.

D T

-----Original Message-----
From: sc285 [mailto:webmaster@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 4:49 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Re: Green Lasers


--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "sc285" <webmaster@l...> wrote:
>
> With the popularity of the new green type laser, like most of us have
> been buying, there have been more and more reports of aircraft being
> targeted by the beams.

That should read "more and more reports of aircraft being targeted by
laser beams". There was no implication in the fact that the beams in
question came from the green type we buy. Although people should be
aware that we do use a laser that COULD reach low flying aircraft.

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I just checked the forecast and it says there is to be cloudy and periods of
rain off and on for the next 4 days with a little sun early Sunday am..

D T

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Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 11:41 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] silly question


Would there be the slightest interest in doing some painting at Powell
today?

We still have some new wood that has not been primed and the inside of the
dome rail needs paint.

It's supposed to be over 60 degrees later today and over 50 tomorrow.

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I was hoping the rain would hold off. The forecasters haven't been too
trustworthy of late. I've been having trouble locating the reactive rust
treatment. If I can't get it we'll just have to use the rustoleum primer.

I was a little concerned about the fit when it was first repaired. Now the
wood has warped even further and can't be fastened down. I guess we'll to
completely redo the AIC telescope enclosure again in the spring. In the
meantime users should be sure to cover the 12" scope and other electrical
carefully with the plastic.

----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 12:20 PM
Subject: RE: [ASKC] silly question


>
> It seems to be kind of wet outside to be painting.  The 12" enclosure
needs
> "new" "painted" doors as the unpainted ones that were installed the last
> time are severely warped and will not allow proper closure.  Maybe a "2
ton
> clamp" might be used to force them closed if we were of a mind to try, but
I
> think it may require new treated or painted wood this time.
>
> D T
>
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> Would there be the slightest interest in doing some painting at Powell
> today?
>
> We still have some new wood that has not been primed and the inside of the
> dome rail needs paint.
>
> It's supposed to be over 60 degrees later today and over 50 tomorrow.
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I think we should bite the bullet and get marine plywood for it in the
spring. It's a shame to waste the work done last time but it needs to be
done if the telescope is going to be protected.
----- Original Message ----- 
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> It seems to be kind of wet outside to be painting.  The 12" enclosure
needs
> "new" "painted" doors as the unpainted ones that were installed the last
> time are severely warped and will not allow proper closure.  Maybe a "2
ton
> clamp" might be used to force them closed if we were of a mind to try, but
I
> think it may require new treated or painted wood this time.
>
> D T
>
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> Would there be the slightest interest in doing some painting at Powell
> today?
>
> We still have some new wood that has not been primed and the inside of the
> dome rail needs paint.
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    Would a non-wood product be better for the enclosure? How about using
some of that recycled plastic that is made to look like wood? No paint, No
warp. I've seen it used for patios and decks.
Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
Randy
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Subject: Re: [ASKC] silly question


>
> I think we should bite the bullet and get marine plywood for it in the
> spring. It's a shame to waste the work done last time but it needs to be
> done if the telescope is going to be protected.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "D. Trentman" <dtrent@...>
> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 12:20 PM
> Subject: RE: [ASKC] silly question
>
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> >
> > It seems to be kind of wet outside to be painting.  The 12" enclosure
> needs
> > "new" "painted" doors as the unpainted ones that were installed the last
> > time are severely warped and will not allow proper closure.  Maybe a "2
> ton
> > clamp" might be used to force them closed if we were of a mind to try,
but
> I
> > think it may require new treated or painted wood this time.
> >
> > D T
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
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D T

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To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
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    Would a non-wood product be better for the enclosure? How about using
some of that recycled plastic that is made to look like wood? No paint, No
warp. I've seen it used for patios and decks.
Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
Randy
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Young" <dyoung8@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: [ASKC] silly question


>
> I think we should bite the bullet and get marine plywood for it in the
> spring. It's a shame to waste the work done last time but it needs to be
> done if the telescope is going to be protected.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "D. Trentman" <dtrent@...>
> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 12:20 PM
> Subject: RE: [ASKC] silly question
>
>
> >
> > It seems to be kind of wet outside to be painting.  The 12" enclosure
> needs
> > "new" "painted" doors as the unpainted ones that were installed the last
> > time are severely warped and will not allow proper closure.  Maybe a "2
> ton
> > clamp" might be used to force them closed if we were of a mind to try,
but
> I
> > think it may require new treated or painted wood this time.
> >
> > D T
> >
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> > today?
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> > We still have some new wood that has not been primed and the inside of
the
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In the mean time ...
Last week I was able to push the corner warp flush - and wondered if another 
hinge on each warped end might hold it flush???   2 hinges, bolts & nuts might 
be a short term $10 solution.
Ditto with D. T. on Randy's idea - that sounds like a great solution!!!
Mike Sterling


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FYI ... from National Geographic Magazine:

The world's largest telescope is being planned by a European space 
consortium.  The project known as the OWL - for OverWhelminglyLarge - telescope calls 
for a 328 - foot mirror; it may be operational by 2021, though its site has not 
been chosen.  Planners hope OWL will offer image resolution to that now 
obtained by space probes.
Mike Sterling


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I've seen that stuff in 2" thick pieces. Is it made in thin sheets like
plywood?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Randy" <randythm@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: [ASKC] silly question


>
>     Would a non-wood product be better for the enclosure? How about using
> some of that recycled plastic that is made to look like wood? No paint, No
> warp. I've seen it used for patios and decks.
> Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
> Randy
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "David Young" <dyoung8@...>
> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 1:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [ASKC] silly question
>
>
> >
> > I think we should bite the bullet and get marine plywood for it in the
> > spring. It's a shame to waste the work done last time but it needs to be
> > done if the telescope is going to be protected.
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "D. Trentman" <dtrent@...>
> > To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 12:20 PM
> > Subject: RE: [ASKC] silly question
> >
> >
> > >
> > > It seems to be kind of wet outside to be painting.  The 12" enclosure
> > needs
> > > "new" "painted" doors as the unpainted ones that were installed the
last
> > > time are severely warped and will not allow proper closure.  Maybe a
"2
> > ton
> > > clamp" might be used to force them closed if we were of a mind to try,
> but
> > I
> > > think it may require new treated or painted wood this time.
> > >
> > > D T
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
> > > Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 11:41 AM
> > > To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [ASKC] silly question
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> > > Would there be the slightest interest in doing some painting at Powell
> > > today?
> > >
> > > We still have some new wood that has not been primed and the inside of
> the
> > > dome rail needs paint.
> > >
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Don't know, but if not then marine plywood would seem like a good choice as
you mentioned earlier.

D T

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Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 5:04 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] silly question


I've seen that stuff in 2" thick pieces. Is it made in thin sheets like
plywood?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy" <randythm@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: [ASKC] silly question


>
>     Would a non-wood product be better for the enclosure? How about using
> some of that recycled plastic that is made to look like wood? No paint, No
> warp. I've seen it used for patios and decks.
> Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
> Randy
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Young" <dyoung8@...>
> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 1:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [ASKC] silly question
>
>
> >
> > I think we should bite the bullet and get marine plywood for it in the
> > spring. It's a shame to waste the work done last time but it needs to be
> > done if the telescope is going to be protected.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "D. Trentman" <dtrent@...>
> > To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 12:20 PM
> > Subject: RE: [ASKC] silly question
> >
> >
> > >
> > > It seems to be kind of wet outside to be painting.  The 12" enclosure
> > needs
> > > "new" "painted" doors as the unpainted ones that were installed the
last
> > > time are severely warped and will not allow proper closure.  Maybe a
"2
> > ton
> > > clamp" might be used to force them closed if we were of a mind to try,
> but
> > I
> > > think it may require new treated or painted wood this time.
> > >
> > > D T
> > >
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> > > From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
> > > Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 11:41 AM
> > > To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [ASKC] silly question
> > >
> > >
> > > Would there be the slightest interest in doing some painting at Powell
> > > today?
> > >
> > > We still have some new wood that has not been primed and the inside of
> the
> > > dome rail needs paint.
> > >
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    I'll check out the thickness that the recycled plastic is available Mon.
Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
Randy
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From: "David Young" <dyoung8@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 5:04 PM
Subject: Re: [ASKC] silly question


>
> I've seen that stuff in 2" thick pieces. Is it made in thin sheets like
> plywood?
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Randy" <randythm@...>
> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 1:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [ASKC] silly question
>
>
> >
> >     Would a non-wood product be better for the enclosure? How about
using
> > some of that recycled plastic that is made to look like wood? No paint,
No
> > warp. I've seen it used for patios and decks.
> > Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
> > Randy
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "David Young" <dyoung8@...>
> > To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 1:02 PM
> > Subject: Re: [ASKC] silly question
> >
> >
> > >
> > > I think we should bite the bullet and get marine plywood for it in the
> > > spring. It's a shame to waste the work done last time but it needs to
be
> > > done if the telescope is going to be protected.
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "D. Trentman" <dtrent@...>
> > > To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 12:20 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [ASKC] silly question
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > It seems to be kind of wet outside to be painting.  The 12"
enclosure
> > > needs
> > > > "new" "painted" doors as the unpainted ones that were installed the
> last
> > > > time are severely warped and will not allow proper closure.  Maybe a
> "2
> > > ton
> > > > clamp" might be used to force them closed if we were of a mind to
try,
> > but
> > > I
> > > > think it may require new treated or painted wood this time.
> > > >
> > > > D T
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
> > > > Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 11:41 AM
> > > > To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: [ASKC] silly question
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> > > >
> > > > Would there be the slightest interest in doing some painting at
Powell
> > > > today?
> > > >
> > > > We still have some new wood that has not been primed and the inside
of
> > the
> > > > dome rail needs paint.
> > > >
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tomorrow.
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Sure, I could paint for a couple of hours on Sunday. I hate to see any of our earlier work be wasted due to lack of paint over the winter.   : ^ ) 
Dave H.  
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  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 11:40 AM
  Subject: [ASKC] silly question


  Would there be the slightest interest in doing some painting at Powell today?

  We still have some new wood that has not been primed and the inside of the dome rail needs paint.

  It's supposed to be over 60 degrees later today and over 50 tomorrow.

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The wood around the fan on the outside of the hall closet needs to be primed. It appears that the aic telescope enclosure will have to be redone with better quality materials. It has warped badley.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 10:06 PM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] silly question - paint


  David, 

  Sure, I could paint for a couple of hours on Sunday. I hate to see any of our earlier work be wasted due to lack of paint over the winter.   : ^ ) 
  Dave H.  
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    Would there be the slightest interest in doing some painting at Powell today?

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    It's supposed to be over 60 degrees later today and over 50 tomorrow.

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Excuse the non-astronmical subject but, many of you are much more computer-informed than I........

My Dell laptop running Windows XP has 2 USB 1.1 ports.
How can I convert them to USB 2.0 ports?
Is it just a driver update?
New software?
New hardware?
Can software be downloaded?  Or need to buy it somewhere?

I know that almost all devices that can use USB 2.0 is compatible with the older USB 1.1.  At work, we have the USB 2.0 and I am amazed at the increase of transfer speed!  If possible, I'd love to get that kind of speed at home.

Can this be done?

Many thanks!

-Scott

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Also, be sure it doesn't warp in direct sun. I think this new decking 
stuff is ok, but some older fence and siding material didn't stand up 
well in direct, hot sun.
On Jan 1, 2005, at 9:09 PM, Randy wrote:

>
>     I'll check out the thickness that the recycled plastic is 
> available Mon.
> Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
> Randy
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Young" <dyoung8@...>
> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 5:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [ASKC] silly question
>
>
>>
>> I've seen that stuff in 2" thick pieces. Is it made in thin sheets 
>> like
>> plywood?
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Randy" <randythm@...>
>> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 1:15 PM
>> Subject: Re: [ASKC] silly question
>>
>>
>>>
>>>     Would a non-wood product be better for the enclosure? How about
> using
>>> some of that recycled plastic that is made to look like wood? No 
>>> paint,
> No
>>> warp. I've seen it used for patios and decks.
>>> Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
>>> Randy
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "David Young" <dyoung8@...>
>>> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 1:02 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [ASKC] silly question
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think we should bite the bullet and get marine plywood for it in 
>>>> the
>>>> spring. It's a shame to waste the work done last time but it needs 
>>>> to
> be
>>>> done if the telescope is going to be protected.
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "D. Trentman" <dtrent@...>
>>>> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 12:20 PM
>>>> Subject: RE: [ASKC] silly question
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It seems to be kind of wet outside to be painting.  The 12"
> enclosure
>>>> needs
>>>>> "new" "painted" doors as the unpainted ones that were installed the
>> last
>>>>> time are severely warped and will not allow proper closure.  Maybe 
>>>>> a
>> "2
>>>> ton
>>>>> clamp" might be used to force them closed if we were of a mind to
> try,
>>> but
>>>> I
>>>>> think it may require new treated or painted wood this time.
>>>>>
>>>>> D T
>>>>>
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>>>>> From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 11:41 AM
>>>>> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
>>>>> Subject: [ASKC] silly question
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Would there be the slightest interest in doing some painting at
> Powell
>>>>> today?
>>>>>
>>>>> We still have some new wood that has not been primed and the inside
> of
>>> the
>>>>> dome rail needs paint.
>>>>>
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> tomorrow.
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Scott,
USB 2 is a hardware upgrade... ... you can get a
pcmcia card to get 2.2 but I'm really not sure where,
I'd try the usual places....
Lindin
--- s.kranz1@... wrote:

> 
> Excuse the non-astronmical subject but, many of you
> are much more computer-informed than I........
> 
> My Dell laptop running Windows XP has 2 USB 1.1
> ports.
> How can I convert them to USB 2.0 ports?
> Is it just a driver update?
> New software?
> New hardware?
> Can software be downloaded?  Or need to buy it
> somewhere?
> 
> I know that almost all devices that can use USB 2.0
> is compatible with the older USB 1.1.  At work, we
> have the USB 2.0 and I am amazed at the increase of
> transfer speed!  If possible, I'd love to get that
> kind of speed at home.
> 
> Can this be done?
> 
> Many thanks!
> 
> -Scott
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What time today? We have primer out there? 

Better after lunch. Dave H. 
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  The wood around the fan on the outside of the hall closet needs to be primed. It appears that the aic telescope enclosure will have to be redone with better quality materials. It has warped badley.
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: David Hudgins 
    To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
    Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 10:06 PM
    Subject: Re: [ASKC] silly question - paint


    David, 

    Sure, I could paint for a couple of hours on Sunday. I hate to see any of our earlier work be wasted due to lack of paint over the winter.   : ^ ) 
    Dave H.  
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: David Young 
      To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
      Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 11:40 AM
      Subject: [ASKC] silly question


      Would there be the slightest interest in doing some painting at Powell today?

      We still have some new wood that has not been primed and the inside of the dome rail needs paint.

      It's supposed to be over 60 degrees later today and over 50 tomorrow.

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Scott, this IS an astro subject.  Tom M. told me you got a real problem that may involve laptop surgery.  This will go beyond downloads and may not even be cost-effective.   He would add more but he is real busy right now making breakfast.  We spent last evening visiting Bob A. at St. Luke's then watched A.I., the movie.   Like the the little robot, all I want is to be a real little boy-emphasis on LITTLE.

Geo. A.  


----- Original Message ----- 
From: 
To: askc@yahoogroups.com (!_askc)
Sent: 1/2/2005 8:46:39 AM 
Subject: [ASKC] USB interfaces


Excuse the non-astronmical subject but, many of you are much more computer-informed than I........

My Dell laptop running Windows XP has 2 USB 1.1 ports.
How can I convert them to USB 2.0 ports?
Is it just a driver update?
New software?
New hardware?
Can software be downloaded?  Or need to buy it somewhere?

I know that almost all devices that can use USB 2.0 is compatible with the older USB 1.1.  At work, we have the USB 2.0 and I am amazed at the increase of transfer speed!  If possible, I'd love to get that kind of speed at home.

Can this be done?

Many thanks!

-Scott

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Mike:  George Allen and I saw your message about OWL, and we started 
thinking about the Oh My God (OMG) telescope.  This would consist of 
an earth orbiting telescope with a single mirror 4000 miles across.  
We simply take all the carborundum and polishing compound on the 
Earth into lunar orbit, where the WLMGM (World's Largest Mirror 
Grinding Machine) will be located.

The plan is to "hog" out the backside of the Moon into a yet to be 
determined f-ratio.  The WLMGM will do double-duty.  After it has 
done the job of grinding a polishing, it will be place into the 
Moon's geostationary orbit, where it will be used to carry a 
multitude of instruments and mirrors to gather data and images.  The 
geostationary orbit will determine the f-ratio of the mirror.

Our mind's went wild when we started thinking about alluminizing the 
mirror.  We thought we would have to build the world's largest 
vaccumm chamber (known as "BS", for Big Sucker), but then we realized 
that the Moon is already in a vaccumm.  We just have to explode a 
minor, non-radioactive, atomic bomb above the mirror.  The bomb will 
be enclosed in pure aluminum, which will coat the mirror once it 
explodes.  More than likely some of the aluminum will go into lunar 
orbit and start to coat the other side also, which would probably 
turn the Moon into another bright sun, making nights, when the Moon 
is up, almost as bright as day.

Astronomers would probably protest quite a bit, soooo.....

Never mind.

Tom & George

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, mikekansascity@a... wrote:
> FYI ... from National Geographic Magazine:
> 
> The world's largest telescope is being planned by a European space 
> consortium.  The project known as the OWL - for 
OverWhelminglyLarge - telescope calls 
> for a 328 - foot mirror; it may be operational by 2021, though its 
site has not 
> been chosen.  Planners hope OWL will offer image resolution to that 
now 
> obtained by space probes.
> Mike Sterling
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Tom,
Was there alcohol involved in this conversation?
tim landreth
--- tom_j_martinez <zenitrammot@...> wrote:

> 
> Mike:  George Allen and I saw your message about
> OWL, and we started 
> thinking about the Oh My God (OMG) telescope.  This
> would consist of 
> an earth orbiting telescope with a single mirror
> 4000 miles across.  
> We simply take all the carborundum and polishing
> compound on the 
> Earth into lunar orbit, where the WLMGM (World's
> Largest Mirror 
> Grinding Machine) will be located.
> 
> The plan is to "hog" out the backside of the Moon
> into a yet to be 
> determined f-ratio.  The WLMGM will do double-duty. 
> After it has 
> done the job of grinding a polishing, it will be
> place into the 
> Moon's geostationary orbit, where it will be used to
> carry a 
> multitude of instruments and mirrors to gather data
> and images.  The 
> geostationary orbit will determine the f-ratio of
> the mirror.
> 
> Our mind's went wild when we started thinking about
> alluminizing the 
> mirror.  We thought we would have to build the
> world's largest 
> vaccumm chamber (known as "BS", for Big Sucker), but
> then we realized 
> that the Moon is already in a vaccumm.  We just have
> to explode a 
> minor, non-radioactive, atomic bomb above the
> mirror.  The bomb will 
> be enclosed in pure aluminum, which will coat the
> mirror once it 
> explodes.  More than likely some of the aluminum
> will go into lunar 
> orbit and start to coat the other side also, which
> would probably 
> turn the Moon into another bright sun, making
> nights, when the Moon 
> is up, almost as bright as day.
> 
> Astronomers would probably protest quite a bit,
> soooo.....
> 
> Never mind.
> 
> Tom & George
> 
> --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, mikekansascity@a...
> wrote:
> > FYI ... from National Geographic Magazine:
> > 
> > The world's largest telescope is being planned by
> a European space 
> > consortium.  The project known as the OWL - for 
> OverWhelminglyLarge - telescope calls 
> > for a 328 - foot mirror; it may be operational by
> 2021, though its 
> site has not 
> > been chosen.  Planners hope OWL will offer image
> resolution to that 
> now 
> > obtained by space probes.
> > Mike Sterling
> > 
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
> 
> 
> 
> 


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-----Original Message-----
From: TKristl100@... [mailto:TKristl100@...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 8:38 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] New Rukl 'Atlas of the Moon' is now shipping




Jackie,
Clue us in.  How do we take advantage of these opportunities?   What do we
have to do?
Tim Kristl


In a message dated 12/28/04 9:57:31 AM Central Standard Time,
m31@... writes:

I meant  to say that Sky Publishing gives a 10% discount to any member of
an
astronomy club, all the time.  But through the League's Book  Service, you
don't pay for shipping and  handling...

Jackie

-----Original Message-----
From: Jackie  Beucher [mailto:m31@...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 9:35  AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ASKC] New Rukl 'Atlas of the  Moon' is now shipping



You all should also try using your  benefit of belonging to an astronomy
club -- getting a 10% discount.   The League also offers this to you via
Book
Service, and you pay no  shipping and handling fees -- probably the  cheaper
route...

Jackie

-----Original Message-----
From:  Rich Hathaway [mailto:RichHathaway@...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004  8:29 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] New Rukl 'Atlas of the  Moon' is now shipping




Saw an ad in the new Feb 2005 issue  of Sky & Telescope (pg 122): the
long-awaited, revised Rukl "Atlas of  the Moon" is now available. I
ordered a copy this morning, and asked if it  has been printed yet.
Yup; they're taking orders and shipping now.  1-800-253-0245 or
SkyandTelescope.com

Hardcover, 224 pgs, 8-1/2 by  11-3/4 inches, in English, and "free of
red ink." $44.95 + shipping. That's  a _lot_ less than the previous
edition has been selling for on  eBay.

Rich Hathaway







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no lights
no phone
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Had the system down most of today and didn't get your note. Too wet today. There is wood primer there. We'll have to wait for dry and warm weather.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: David Hudgins 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 9:34 AM
  Subject: [ASKC] Re:Powell- today?


  What time today? We have primer out there? 

  Better after lunch. Dave H. 
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: David Young 
    To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
    Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 11:46 PM
    Subject: Re: [ASKC] silly question - paint


    The wood around the fan on the outside of the hall closet needs to be primed. It appears that the aic telescope enclosure will have to be redone with better quality materials. It has warped badley.
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: David Hudgins 
      To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
      Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 10:06 PM
      Subject: Re: [ASKC] silly question - paint


      David, 

      Sure, I could paint for a couple of hours on Sunday. I hate to see any of our earlier work be wasted due to lack of paint over the winter.   : ^ ) 
      Dave H.  
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: David Young 
        To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
        Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 11:40 AM
        Subject: [ASKC] silly question


        Would there be the slightest interest in doing some painting at Powell today?

        We still have some new wood that has not been primed and the inside of the dome rail needs paint.

        It's supposed to be over 60 degrees later today and over 50 tomorrow.

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FYi if you have not seen this spectacular pic

Comet Machholz in the Evening Sky
By Greg Bryant and Alan M. MacRobert
http://skyandtelescope.com/observing/objects/comets/article_1396_1.asp

One of the nicest photos I have seen of the comet shows the following

"In photographs, Comet Machholz (C/2004 Q2) has been showing a blue gas tail 
and the edge of an orange-yellowish dust tail emerging at very different 
angles from the coma. Johannes Schedler in Austria took this picture on December 
12, 2004, using a Canon EF 200mm f/2.8 lens on an SBIG STL-11000M CCD 
camera.�Courtesy Johannes Schedler."

If you have comet photos, illustrations, ccd pics or combination, you 
possibly can win the Astronomical League silver award certificate and comet pin. 
Contact the websites below or contact me for further information.

Happy New Year

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oops, brain cramp       There is NO wood primer there.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: David Young 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 5:49 PM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] Re:Powell- today?


  Had the system down most of today and didn't get your note. Too wet today. There is wood primer there. We'll have to wait for dry and warm weather.
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: David Hudgins 
    To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
    Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 9:34 AM
    Subject: [ASKC] Re:Powell- today?


    What time today? We have primer out there? 

    Better after lunch. Dave H. 
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: David Young 
      To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
      Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 11:46 PM
      Subject: Re: [ASKC] silly question - paint


      The wood around the fan on the outside of the hall closet needs to be primed. It appears that the aic telescope enclosure will have to be redone with better quality materials. It has warped badley.
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: David Hudgins 
        To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
        Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 10:06 PM
        Subject: Re: [ASKC] silly question - paint


        David, 

        Sure, I could paint for a couple of hours on Sunday. I hate to see any of our earlier work be wasted due to lack of paint over the winter.   : ^ ) 
        Dave H.  
          ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: David Young 
          To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
          Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 11:40 AM
          Subject: [ASKC] silly question


          Would there be the slightest interest in doing some painting at Powell today?

          We still have some new wood that has not been primed and the inside of the dome rail needs paint.

          It's supposed to be over 60 degrees later today and over 50 tomorrow.

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Hey Tim, no alcohol, just thinking out loud.  Besides, George started 
it.

Tom

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, beany landreth <b_landreth@y...> wrote:
> Tom,
> Was there alcohol involved in this conversation?
> tim landreth

    There are two types of recycled lumber. One is 100% plastic and the
other is a wood - plastic combination. I have been looking on the Net and
they have the size we need but no prices. I'll make a few calls to get that
info Monday.
Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
Randy
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Marcia Young" <mryoung@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 10:01 PM
Subject: Re: [ASKC] silly question


>
> Also, be sure it doesn't warp in direct sun. I think this new decking
> stuff is ok, but some older fence and siding material didn't stand up
> well in direct, hot sun.
> On Jan 1, 2005, at 9:09 PM, Randy wrote:
>
> >
> >     I'll check out the thickness that the recycled plastic is
> > available Mon.
> > Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
> > Randy
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David Young" <dyoung8@...>
> > To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 5:04 PM
> > Subject: Re: [ASKC] silly question
> >
> >
> >>
> >> I've seen that stuff in 2" thick pieces. Is it made in thin sheets
> >> like
> >> plywood?
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Randy" <randythm@...>
> >> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> >> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 1:15 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [ASKC] silly question
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>>     Would a non-wood product be better for the enclosure? How about
> > using
> >>> some of that recycled plastic that is made to look like wood? No
> >>> paint,
> > No
> >>> warp. I've seen it used for patios and decks.
> >>> Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
> >>> Randy
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "David Young" <dyoung8@...>
> >>> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> >>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 1:02 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [ASKC] silly question
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I think we should bite the bullet and get marine plywood for it in
> >>>> the
> >>>> spring. It's a shame to waste the work done last time but it needs
> >>>> to
> > be
> >>>> done if the telescope is going to be protected.
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: "D. Trentman" <dtrent@...>
> >>>> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> >>>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 12:20 PM
> >>>> Subject: RE: [ASKC] silly question
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It seems to be kind of wet outside to be painting.  The 12"
> > enclosure
> >>>> needs
> >>>>> "new" "painted" doors as the unpainted ones that were installed the
> >> last
> >>>>> time are severely warped and will not allow proper closure.  Maybe
> >>>>> a
> >> "2
> >>>> ton
> >>>>> clamp" might be used to force them closed if we were of a mind to
> > try,
> >>> but
> >>>> I
> >>>>> think it may require new treated or painted wood this time.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> D T
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 11:41 AM
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> > Powell
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> >>>>>
> >>>>> We still have some new wood that has not been primed and the inside
> > of
> >>> the
> >>>>> dome rail needs paint.
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From: "tom_j_martinez" <zenitrammot@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 2:21 PM
Subject: [ASKC] Re: World's largest telescope


> 
> 
> Mike:  George Allen and I saw your message about OWL, and we started 
> thinking about the Oh My God (OMG) telescope.  This would consist of 
> an earth orbiting telescope with a single mirror 4000 miles across.  
> We simply take all the carborundum and polishing compound on the 
> Earth into lunar orbit, where the WLMGM (World's Largest Mirror 
> Grinding Machine) will be located.
> 
> The plan is to "hog" out the backside of the Moon into a yet to be 
> determined f-ratio.  The WLMGM will do double-duty.  After it has 
> done the job of grinding a polishing, it will be place into the 
> Moon's geostationary orbit, where it will be used to carry a 
> multitude of instruments and mirrors to gather data and images.  The 
> geostationary orbit will determine the f-ratio of the mirror.
> 
> Our mind's went wild when we started thinking about alluminizing the 
> mirror.  We thought we would have to build the world's largest 
> vaccumm chamber (known as "BS", for Big Sucker), but then we realized 
> that the Moon is already in a vaccumm.  We just have to explode a 
> minor, non-radioactive, atomic bomb above the mirror.  The bomb will 
> be enclosed in pure aluminum, which will coat the mirror once it 
> explodes.  More than likely some of the aluminum will go into lunar 
> orbit and start to coat the other side also, which would probably 
> turn the Moon into another bright sun, making nights, when the Moon 
> is up, almost as bright as day.
> 
> Astronomers would probably protest quite a bit, soooo.....
> 
> Never mind.
> 
> Tom & George
> 
> --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, mikekansascity@a... wrote:
> > FYI ... from National Geographic Magazine:
> > 
> > The world's largest telescope is being planned by a European space 
> > consortium.  The project known as the OWL - for 
> OverWhelminglyLarge - telescope calls 
> > for a 328 - foot mirror; it may be operational by 2021, though its 
> site has not 
> > been chosen.  Planners hope OWL will offer image resolution to that 
> now 
> > obtained by space probes.
> > Mike Sterling
> > 
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David, yep it turned into a yukky day!

Dave H. 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: David Young 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 5:49 PM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] Re:Powell- today?


  Had the system down most of today and didn't get your note. Too wet today. There is wood primer there. We'll have to wait for dry and warm weather.
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: David Hudgins 
    To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
    Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 9:34 AM
    Subject: [ASKC] Re:Powell- today?


    What time today? We have primer out there? 

    Better after lunch. Dave H. 
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: David Young 
      To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
      Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 11:46 PM
      Subject: Re: [ASKC] silly question - paint


      The wood around the fan on the outside of the hall closet needs to be primed. It appears that the aic telescope enclosure will have to be redone with better quality materials. It has warped badley.
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: David Hudgins 
        To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
        Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 10:06 PM
        Subject: Re: [ASKC] silly question - paint


        David, 

        Sure, I could paint for a couple of hours on Sunday. I hate to see any of our earlier work be wasted due to lack of paint over the winter.   : ^ ) 
        Dave H.  
          ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: David Young 
          To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
          Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 11:40 AM
          Subject: [ASKC] silly question


          Would there be the slightest interest in doing some painting at Powell today?

          We still have some new wood that has not been primed and the inside of the dome rail needs paint.

          It's supposed to be over 60 degrees later today and over 50 tomorrow.

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Good grief -- Charlie Brown.    :>)  Just kidding --- Karen    Lets leave the 
moon as is !! :)


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That explains it. Once George gets started there's no
telling where you'll wind up...even on the moon.
He's a blast!!!!

tim

--- tom_j_martinez <zenitrammot@...> wrote:

> 
> Hey Tim, no alcohol, just thinking out loud. 
> Besides, George started 
> it.
> 
> Tom
> 
> --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, beany landreth
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Scott,

A USB 2.0 PCMCIA card is what you need...

It would be tough to convert your present USB ports
to 2.0, but if you have a CardBus slot or two (a.k.a.
PCMCIA slots), adding 2.0 is no problem and not much
expense. You can get a 2-port card for as little as
$11, or a 4-port for a few dollars more. Most of the
4-port ones have an AC adapter included, which is of
little use in the field. I guess that this is because
the available power gets spread too thinly between the
4 ports. Many USB devices, like cameras & flash drives,
draw their power directly from the USB port, but some
power-hungry ones, like scanners, printers, etc., must
have their own power supply. What types of devices do
you want to connect via USB 2.0?

-JC


--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, s.kranz1@c... wrote:
> Excuse the non-astronmical subject but, many of you are much more 
computer-informed than I........
> 
> My Dell laptop running Windows XP has 2 USB 1.1 ports.
> How can I convert them to USB 2.0 ports?
> Is it just a driver update?
> New software?
> New hardware?
> Can software be downloaded?  Or need to buy it somewhere?
> 
> I know that almost all devices that can use USB 2.0 is compatible 
with the older USB 1.1.  At work, we have the USB 2.0 and I am amazed 
at the increase of transfer speed!  If possible, I'd love to get that 
kind of speed at home.
> 
> Can this be done?
> 
> Many thanks!
> 
> -Scott
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Thanks John.  Yeah I have 2 PCMCIA ports, and a 2-port would be good enough.  I want to hook up a 120GB external drive and a MP3 player.  Nothing to major.  The external drive uses AC power.

OK next question.... when I install the card and use the 2.0 USB ports, can I still access and use the 2 older 1.1 ports?  That would be great for things like the printer and scanner.

Thanks!

-scott

-------------- Original message -------------- 

Scott,

A USB 2.0 PCMCIA card is what you need...

It would be tough to convert your present USB ports
to 2.0, but if you have a CardBus slot or two (a.k.a.
PCMCIA slots), adding 2.0 is no problem and not much
expense. You can get a 2-port card for as little as
$11, or a 4-port for a few dollars more. Most of the
4-port ones have an AC adapter included, which is of
little use in the field. I guess that this is because
the available power gets spread too thinly between the
4 ports. Many USB devices, like cameras & flash drives,
draw their power directly from the USB port, but some
power-hungry ones, like scanners, printers, etc., must
have their own power supply. What types of devices do
you want to connect via USB 2.0?

-JC


--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, s.kranz1@c... wrote:
> Excuse the non-astronmical subject but, many of you are much more 
computer-informed than I........
> 
> My Dell laptop running Windows XP has 2 USB 1.1 ports.
> How can I convert them to USB 2.0 ports?
> Is it just a driver update?
> New software?
> New hardware?
> Can software be downloaded?  Or need to buy it somewhere?
> 
> I know that almost all devices that can use USB 2.0 is compatible 
with the older USB 1.1.  At work, we have the USB 2.0 and I am amazed 
at the increase of transfer speed!  If possible, I'd love to get that 
kind of speed at home.
> 
> Can this be done?
> 
> Many thanks!
> 
> -Scott
> 
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Scott,

I purchased a "USB V2.0 CardBus" PCMCIA card from CompUSA.  I use it 
to access an external 60 GB hard drive to backup my Compaq laptop.  
I think it was $29.

It has 2 USB 2.0 ports and I can also use the 2 USB 1.1 ports 
internal to my Compaq at the same time.

WELL WORTH THE MONEY!  Backups went from 4 hours on USB 1.1 to 30 
minutes on USB 2.0!

Regards,
Ken


--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, s.kranz1@c... wrote:
> Thanks John.  Yeah I have 2 PCMCIA ports, and a 2-port would be 
good enough.  I want to hook up a 120GB external drive and a MP3 
player.  Nothing to major.  The external drive uses AC power.
> 
> OK next question.... when I install the card and use the 2.0 USB 
ports, can I still access and use the 2 older 1.1 ports?  That would 
be great for things like the printer and scanner.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> -scott
> 
> -------------- Original message -------------- 
> 
> Scott,
> 
> A USB 2.0 PCMCIA card is what you need...
> 
> It would be tough to convert your present USB ports
> to 2.0, but if you have a CardBus slot or two (a.k.a.
> PCMCIA slots), adding 2.0 is no problem and not much
> expense. You can get a 2-port card for as little as
> $11, or a 4-port for a few dollars more. Most of the
> 4-port ones have an AC adapter included, which is of
> little use in the field. I guess that this is because
> the available power gets spread too thinly between the
> 4 ports. Many USB devices, like cameras & flash drives,
> draw their power directly from the USB port, but some
> power-hungry ones, like scanners, printers, etc., must
> have their own power supply. What types of devices do
> you want to connect via USB 2.0?
> 
> -JC
> 
> 
> --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, s.kranz1@c... wrote:
> > Excuse the non-astronmical subject but, many of you are much 
more 
> computer-informed than I........
> > 
> > My Dell laptop running Windows XP has 2 USB 1.1 ports.
> > How can I convert them to USB 2.0 ports?
> > Is it just a driver update?
> > New software?
> > New hardware?
> > Can software be downloaded?  Or need to buy it somewhere?
> > 
> > I know that almost all devices that can use USB 2.0 is 
compatible 
> with the older USB 1.1.  At work, we have the USB 2.0 and I am 
amazed 
> at the increase of transfer speed!  If possible, I'd love to get 
that 
> kind of speed at home.
> > 
> > Can this be done?
> > 
> > Many thanks!
> > 
> > -Scott
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
> 
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    I checked out Home Depot for Non-wood products to repair the 12" scope
enclosure's top.
Composite W/textured surface 1 1/4" X 6"  - 12'  $18.97  Can be painted, but
does not have to be painted.
Stands up to direct sun, cold and hot temperatures. A little heavier than
wood. This product would last a long time. This product is not supposed to
warp or twist.
    Compare to 1 1/4" X 6" - 12' Thompsonized water resistant treated deck
wood $10.97
Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
Randy
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Randy" <randythm@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: [ASKC] silly question


>
>     There are two types of recycled lumber. One is 100% plastic and the
> other is a wood - plastic combination. I have been looking on the Net and
> they have the size we need but no prices. I'll make a few calls to get
that
> info Monday.
> Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
> Randy
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Marcia Young" <mryoung@...>
> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 10:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [ASKC] silly question
>
>
> >
> > Also, be sure it doesn't warp in direct sun. I think this new decking
> > stuff is ok, but some older fence and siding material didn't stand up
> > well in direct, hot sun.
> > On Jan 1, 2005, at 9:09 PM, Randy wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >     I'll check out the thickness that the recycled plastic is
> > > available Mon.
> > > Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
> > > Randy
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "David Young" <dyoung8@...>
> > > To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 5:04 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [ASKC] silly question
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >> I've seen that stuff in 2" thick pieces. Is it made in thin sheets
> > >> like
> > >> plywood?
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "Randy" <randythm@...>
> > >> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> > >> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 1:15 PM
> > >> Subject: Re: [ASKC] silly question
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>>     Would a non-wood product be better for the enclosure? How about
> > > using
> > >>> some of that recycled plastic that is made to look like wood? No
> > >>> paint,
> > > No
> > >>> warp. I've seen it used for patios and decks.
> > >>> Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
> > >>> Randy
> > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>> From: "David Young" <dyoung8@...>
> > >>> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> > >>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 1:02 PM
> > >>> Subject: Re: [ASKC] silly question
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I think we should bite the bullet and get marine plywood for it in
> > >>>> the
> > >>>> spring. It's a shame to waste the work done last time but it needs
> > >>>> to
> > > be
> > >>>> done if the telescope is going to be protected.
> > >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>>> From: "D. Trentman" <dtrent@...>
> > >>>> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> > >>>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 12:20 PM
> > >>>> Subject: RE: [ASKC] silly question
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> It seems to be kind of wet outside to be painting.  The 12"
> > > enclosure
> > >>>> needs
> > >>>>> "new" "painted" doors as the unpainted ones that were installed
the
> > >> last
> > >>>>> time are severely warped and will not allow proper closure.  Maybe
> > >>>>> a
> > >> "2
> > >>>> ton
> > >>>>> clamp" might be used to force them closed if we were of a mind to
> > > try,
> > >>> but
> > >>>> I
> > >>>>> think it may require new treated or painted wood this time.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> D T
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>> From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
> > >>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 11:41 AM
> > >>>>> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> > >>>>> Subject: [ASKC] silly question
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Would there be the slightest interest in doing some painting at
> > > Powell
> > >>>>> today?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> We still have some new wood that has not been primed and the
inside
> > > of
> > >>> the
> > >>>>> dome rail needs paint.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> It's supposed to be over 60 degrees later today and over 50
> > > tomorrow.
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Louisburg Chamber of Commerce" <louisburgchamber@...>
To: "Louisburg Chamber of Commerce" <louisburgchamber@...>
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 1:56 PM
Subject: Chamber Coffee


> Hello Chamber member.
> Our first coffee of the year is scheduled for this Wednesday (Jan. 5) at 9
> a.m. It will be at the coffee shop, A Cup Above at 408 W. Amity. In
addition
> to welcoming A Cup Above to the Chamber, the American Red Cross
> representatives will be there and receive their new member Chamber plaque.
> Hope you can make it. You can look forward to a great cup of coffee.
> Thanks,
>
> Patsy Bortner, Administrator
> Louisburg Chamber of Commerce
> 5 So. Peoria, Suite 103,  P.O. Box 245
> Louisburg, KS 66053
> 913-837-2826
> louisburgchamber@...
> www.louisburgkansas.com
>
>
>

That sounds good for the framing but how about the main panels which are
3/8" to 1/2"  plywood now.  It is the plywood that is warped and needs
replacing, not the support framing.

D T

-----Original Message-----
From: Randy [mailto:randythm@...]
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 11:50 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] silly question


    I checked out Home Depot for Non-wood products to repair the 12" scope
enclosure's top.
Composite W/textured surface 1 1/4" X 6"  - 12'  $18.97  Can be painted, but
does not have to be painted.
Stands up to direct sun, cold and hot temperatures. A little heavier than
wood. This product would last a long time. This product is not supposed to
warp or twist.
    Compare to 1 1/4" X 6" - 12' Thompsonized water resistant treated deck
wood $10.97
Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
Randy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy" <randythm@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: [ASKC] silly question


>
>     There are two types of recycled lumber. One is 100% plastic and the
> other is a wood - plastic combination. I have been looking on the Net and
> they have the size we need but no prices. I'll make a few calls to get
that
> info Monday.
> Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
> Randy
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marcia Young" <mryoung@...>
> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 10:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [ASKC] silly question
>
>
> >
> > Also, be sure it doesn't warp in direct sun. I think this new decking
> > stuff is ok, but some older fence and siding material didn't stand up
> > well in direct, hot sun.
> > On Jan 1, 2005, at 9:09 PM, Randy wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >     I'll check out the thickness that the recycled plastic is
> > > available Mon.
> > > Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
> > > Randy
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "David Young" <dyoung8@...>
> > > To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 5:04 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [ASKC] silly question
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >> I've seen that stuff in 2" thick pieces. Is it made in thin sheets
> > >> like
> > >> plywood?
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "Randy" <randythm@...>
> > >> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> > >> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 1:15 PM
> > >> Subject: Re: [ASKC] silly question
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>>     Would a non-wood product be better for the enclosure? How about
> > > using
> > >>> some of that recycled plastic that is made to look like wood? No
> > >>> paint,
> > > No
> > >>> warp. I've seen it used for patios and decks.
> > >>> Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
> > >>> Randy
> > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>> From: "David Young" <dyoung8@...>
> > >>> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> > >>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 1:02 PM
> > >>> Subject: Re: [ASKC] silly question
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I think we should bite the bullet and get marine plywood for it in
> > >>>> the
> > >>>> spring. It's a shame to waste the work done last time but it needs
> > >>>> to
> > > be
> > >>>> done if the telescope is going to be protected.
> > >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>>> From: "D. Trentman" <dtrent@...>
> > >>>> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> > >>>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 12:20 PM
> > >>>> Subject: RE: [ASKC] silly question
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> It seems to be kind of wet outside to be painting.  The 12"
> > > enclosure
> > >>>> needs
> > >>>>> "new" "painted" doors as the unpainted ones that were installed
the
> > >> last
> > >>>>> time are severely warped and will not allow proper closure.  Maybe
> > >>>>> a
> > >> "2
> > >>>> ton
> > >>>>> clamp" might be used to force them closed if we were of a mind to
> > > try,
> > >>> but
> > >>>> I
> > >>>>> think it may require new treated or painted wood this time.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> D T
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>> From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
> > >>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 11:41 AM
> > >>>>> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> > >>>>> Subject: [ASKC] silly question
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Would there be the slightest interest in doing some painting at
> > > Powell
> > >>>>> today?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> We still have some new wood that has not been primed and the
inside
> > > of
> > >>> the
> > >>>>> dome rail needs paint.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> It's supposed to be over 60 degrees later today and over 50
> > > tomorrow.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >>>>>
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I was talking about the boards that frame the fiberglass dome over the 12".
There are wider and thinner non-wood pieces that are about 1/2 in. thick and
maybe 12" wide but I didn't know we needed to change out the sides of the
enclosure. I thought we were just going to paint the exterior.
    David, what is needed?
Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
Randy
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "D. Trentman" <dtrent@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 2:38 PM
Subject: RE: [ASKC] silly question


>
> That sounds good for the framing but how about the main panels which are
> 3/8" to 1/2"  plywood now.  It is the plywood that is warped and needs
> replacing, not the support framing.
>
> D T
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Randy [mailto:randythm@...]
> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 11:50 AM
> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [ASKC] silly question
>
>
>     I checked out Home Depot for Non-wood products to repair the 12" scope
> enclosure's top.
> Composite W/textured surface 1 1/4" X 6"  - 12'  $18.97  Can be painted,
but
> does not have to be painted.
> Stands up to direct sun, cold and hot temperatures. A little heavier than
> wood. This product would last a long time. This product is not supposed to
> warp or twist.
>     Compare to 1 1/4" X 6" - 12' Thompsonized water resistant treated deck
> wood $10.97
> Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
> Randy
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Randy" <randythm@...>
> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 8:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [ASKC] silly question
>
>
> >
> >     There are two types of recycled lumber. One is 100% plastic and the
> > other is a wood - plastic combination. I have been looking on the Net
and
> > they have the size we need but no prices. I'll make a few calls to get
> that
> > info Monday.
> > Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
> > Randy
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Marcia Young" <mryoung@...>
> > To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 10:01 PM
> > Subject: Re: [ASKC] silly question
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Also, be sure it doesn't warp in direct sun. I think this new decking
> > > stuff is ok, but some older fence and siding material didn't stand up
> > > well in direct, hot sun.
> > > On Jan 1, 2005, at 9:09 PM, Randy wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >     I'll check out the thickness that the recycled plastic is
> > > > available Mon.
> > > > Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
> > > > Randy
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "David Young" <dyoung8@...>
> > > > To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 5:04 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [ASKC] silly question
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >> I've seen that stuff in 2" thick pieces. Is it made in thin sheets
> > > >> like
> > > >> plywood?
> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> From: "Randy" <randythm@...>
> > > >> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> > > >> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 1:15 PM
> > > >> Subject: Re: [ASKC] silly question
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>     Would a non-wood product be better for the enclosure? How
about
> > > > using
> > > >>> some of that recycled plastic that is made to look like wood? No
> > > >>> paint,
> > > > No
> > > >>> warp. I've seen it used for patios and decks.
> > > >>> Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
> > > >>> Randy
> > > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> > > >>> From: "David Young" <dyoung8@...>
> > > >>> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> > > >>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 1:02 PM
> > > >>> Subject: Re: [ASKC] silly question
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> I think we should bite the bullet and get marine plywood for it
in
> > > >>>> the
> > > >>>> spring. It's a shame to waste the work done last time but it
needs
> > > >>>> to
> > > > be
> > > >>>> done if the telescope is going to be protected.
> > > >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > > >>>> From: "D. Trentman" <dtrent@...>
> > > >>>> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> > > >>>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 12:20 PM
> > > >>>> Subject: RE: [ASKC] silly question
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> It seems to be kind of wet outside to be painting.  The 12"
> > > > enclosure
> > > >>>> needs
> > > >>>>> "new" "painted" doors as the unpainted ones that were installed
> the
> > > >> last
> > > >>>>> time are severely warped and will not allow proper closure.
Maybe
> > > >>>>> a
> > > >> "2
> > > >>>> ton
> > > >>>>> clamp" might be used to force them closed if we were of a mind
to
> > > > try,
> > > >>> but
> > > >>>> I
> > > >>>>> think it may require new treated or painted wood this time.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> D T
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > > >>>>> From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
> > > >>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 11:41 AM
> > > >>>>> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> > > >>>>> Subject: [ASKC] silly question
> > > >>>>>
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> > > >>>>> Would there be the slightest interest in doing some painting at
> > > > Powell
> > > >>>>> today?
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> We still have some new wood that has not been primed and the
> inside
> > > > of
> > > >>> the
> > > >>>>> dome rail needs paint.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> It's supposed to be over 60 degrees later today and over 50
> > > > tomorrow.
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The boards that frame the fiberglass are only 1" by 4" as I recall. The problem is the plywood panels. As I recall one of them was warped when it was installed and it has gotten so bad that it is very dificult to close the thing up now. I think the plywood panels must be replaced.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Randy 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 4:59 PM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] silly question


  I was talking about the boards that frame the fiberglass dome over the 12".
  There are wider and thinner non-wood pieces that are about 1/2 in. thick and
  maybe 12" wide but I didn't know we needed to change out the sides of the
  enclosure. I thought we were just going to paint the exterior.
      David, what is needed?
  Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
  Randy
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "D. Trentman" <dtrent@...>
  To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
  Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 2:38 PM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] silly question


  >
  > That sounds good for the framing but how about the main panels which are
  > 3/8" to 1/2"  plywood now.  It is the plywood that is warped and needs
  > replacing, not the support framing.
  >
  > D T
  >
  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: Randy [mailto:randythm@...]
  > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 11:50 AM
  > To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  > Subject: Re: [ASKC] silly question
  >
  >
  >     I checked out Home Depot for Non-wood products to repair the 12" scope
  > enclosure's top.
  > Composite W/textured surface 1 1/4" X 6"  - 12'  $18.97  Can be painted,
  but
  > does not have to be painted.
  > Stands up to direct sun, cold and hot temperatures. A little heavier than
  > wood. This product would last a long time. This product is not supposed to
  > warp or twist.
  >     Compare to 1 1/4" X 6" - 12' Thompsonized water resistant treated deck
  > wood $10.97
  > Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
  > Randy
  > ----- Original Message -----
  > From: "Randy" <randythm@...>
  > To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
  > Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 8:06 PM
  > Subject: Re: [ASKC] silly question
  >
  >
  > >
  > >     There are two types of recycled lumber. One is 100% plastic and the
  > > other is a wood - plastic combination. I have been looking on the Net
  and
  > > they have the size we need but no prices. I'll make a few calls to get
  > that
  > > info Monday.
  > > Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
  > > Randy
  > > ----- Original Message -----
  > > From: "Marcia Young" <mryoung@...>
  > > To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
  > > Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 10:01 PM
  > > Subject: Re: [ASKC] silly question
  > >
  > >
  > > >
  > > > Also, be sure it doesn't warp in direct sun. I think this new decking
  > > > stuff is ok, but some older fence and siding material didn't stand up
  > > > well in direct, hot sun.
  > > > On Jan 1, 2005, at 9:09 PM, Randy wrote:
  > > >
  > > > >
  > > > >     I'll check out the thickness that the recycled plastic is
  > > > > available Mon.
  > > > > Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
  > > > > Randy
  > > > > ----- Original Message -----
  > > > > From: "David Young" <dyoung8@...>
  > > > > To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
  > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 5:04 PM
  > > > > Subject: Re: [ASKC] silly question
  > > > >
  > > > >
  > > > >>
  > > > >> I've seen that stuff in 2" thick pieces. Is it made in thin sheets
  > > > >> like
  > > > >> plywood?
  > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
  > > > >> From: "Randy" <randythm@...>
  > > > >> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
  > > > >> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 1:15 PM
  > > > >> Subject: Re: [ASKC] silly question
  > > > >>
  > > > >>
  > > > >>>
  > > > >>>     Would a non-wood product be better for the enclosure? How
  about
  > > > > using
  > > > >>> some of that recycled plastic that is made to look like wood? No
  > > > >>> paint,
  > > > > No
  > > > >>> warp. I've seen it used for patios and decks.
  > > > >>> Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
  > > > >>> Randy
  > > > >>> ----- Original Message -----
  > > > >>> From: "David Young" <dyoung8@...>
  > > > >>> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
  > > > >>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 1:02 PM
  > > > >>> Subject: Re: [ASKC] silly question
  > > > >>>
  > > > >>>
  > > > >>>>
  > > > >>>> I think we should bite the bullet and get marine plywood for it
  in
  > > > >>>> the
  > > > >>>> spring. It's a shame to waste the work done last time but it
  needs
  > > > >>>> to
  > > > > be
  > > > >>>> done if the telescope is going to be protected.
  > > > >>>> ----- Original Message -----
  > > > >>>> From: "D. Trentman" <dtrent@...>
  > > > >>>> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
  > > > >>>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 12:20 PM
  > > > >>>> Subject: RE: [ASKC] silly question
  > > > >>>>
  > > > >>>>
  > > > >>>>>
  > > > >>>>> It seems to be kind of wet outside to be painting.  The 12"
  > > > > enclosure
  > > > >>>> needs
  > > > >>>>> "new" "painted" doors as the unpainted ones that were installed
  > the
  > > > >> last
  > > > >>>>> time are severely warped and will not allow proper closure.
  Maybe
  > > > >>>>> a
  > > > >> "2
  > > > >>>> ton
  > > > >>>>> clamp" might be used to force them closed if we were of a mind
  to
  > > > > try,
  > > > >>> but
  > > > >>>> I
  > > > >>>>> think it may require new treated or painted wood this time.
  > > > >>>>>
  > > > >>>>> D T
  > > > >>>>>
  > > > >>>>> -----Original Message-----
  > > > >>>>> From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
  > > > >>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 11:41 AM
  > > > >>>>> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  > > > >>>>> Subject: [ASKC] silly question
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  > > > >>>>> Would there be the slightest interest in doing some painting at
  > > > > Powell
  > > > >>>>> today?
  > > > >>>>>
  > > > >>>>> We still have some new wood that has not been primed and the
  > inside
  > > > > of
  > > > >>> the
  > > > >>>>> dome rail needs paint.
  > > > >>>>>
  > > > >>>>> It's supposed to be over 60 degrees later today and over 50
  > > > > tomorrow.
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Scott,

Yes, you should still be able to use your existing
USB 1.1 ports. 

The $11 card I mentioned is at http://www.akida.net/ .
Type "USB 2.0 PCMCIA" into the "Product Search" field.
I can't vouch for the quality of this unit, or of the
vendor, it's just the cheapest one I found. I'm going
to get one for my own laptop, which has only a single
USB 1.1 port.

-JC


--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, s.kranz1@c... wrote:

> OK next question.... when I install the card and use the 2.0 USB 
ports, can I still access and use the 2 older 1.1 ports?

P.S.--

With shipping added, the total cost was $15.50.

-JC


--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "John Cravens" <John.Cravens@c...> wrote:
> Scott,
>...
> The $11 card I mentioned is at http://www.akida.net/ .
>...

Just FYI,

NOVA, channel 19 tonight at 7 pm, has a show on the Rovers on Mars.  Sort of
a follow-up to their show last year showing the preparation of the Rovers
for Mars.

Rick Henderson

Hey, Rick -- will you run by my house and set up my TI-VO to catch that?
:-)

     Jackie Beucher
Sales - EMJ - Kansas City
     Ph: 816-483-4140
  Toll free: 800-821-2500
     fax: 816-241-3677


-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Henderson [mailto:rhenderson1@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 10:43 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] NOVA Tonight



Just FYI,

NOVA, channel 19 tonight at 7 pm, has a show on the Rovers on Mars.  Sort of
a follow-up to their show last year showing the preparation of the Rovers
for Mars.

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Thanks for the heads up Rick. I'll set the timer to record it rght now
'cause I'll forget about it if I don't!

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Subject: [ASKC] NOVA Tonight


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> NOVA, channel 19 tonight at 7 pm, has a show on the Rovers on Mars.  Sort
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Thanks John and Ken!

That's exactly what I'm looking for.

-scott

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Scott,

Yes, you should still be able to use your existing
USB 1.1 ports. 

The $11 card I mentioned is at http://www.akida.net/ .
Type "USB 2.0 PCMCIA" into the "Product Search" field.
I can't vouch for the quality of this unit, or of the
vendor, it's just the cheapest one I found. I'm going
to get one for my own laptop, which has only a single
USB 1.1 port.

-JC


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> OK next question.... when I install the card and use the 2.0 USB 
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Man, 

The KPCT NOVA program on the Mars rovers was just over....wow, was it cool!   : ^ )

I'd rather have 100 of these robot missions (at roughly $1B each) than a single manned mission (costing at least $100B) anytime. (IMHA)  

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Sorry Jackie, didn't get your email until too late to program the TIVO.
Besides, I should warn you that I charge extra for house calls and I really
don't understand any of this new fangled computer stuff anyway...

Rick Henderson

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Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 10:50 AM
Subject: RE: [ASKC] NOVA Tonight


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> Hey, Rick -- will you run by my house and set up my TI-VO to catch that?
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I got all but the first 5 minutes or so on DVD.

Joe



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Maybe the pilots ARE being bothered by our teenie little green lasers.  From a news story today...

"Banach's lawyer, Gina Mendola-Longarzo, said her client was simply using the hand-held device to look at stars with his daughter on the family's deck. She said Banach bought the device on the Internet for $100 for his job testing fiber-optic cable."

Has anyone tried looking into one of these beams from a mile away?  I wouldn't think they could flood an airline cockpit with light that would "blind" anyone.  And I wish the media wold stop using that word so loosely.  Samson was blinded, the air crew was merely dazzled for a moment.  Do you feel these handheld lasers are that powerful or dangerous?

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    I have serious doubts that the handheld green lasers that we commonly
use are causing problems with commercial airline pilots when they are over a
mile high. If the laser was used at ground level from the end of the runway
it could get the attention of the flight crew about to take off.( in my
opinion) worth about two cents!
Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
Randy
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Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 10:40 PM
Subject: [ASKC] lasers & pilots


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> Maybe the pilots ARE being bothered by our teenie little green lasers.
From a news story today...
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> "Banach's lawyer, Gina Mendola-Longarzo, said her client was simply using
the hand-held device to look at stars with his daughter on the family's
deck. She said Banach bought the device on the Internet for $100 for his job
testing fiber-optic cable."
>
> Has anyone tried looking into one of these beams from a mile away?  I
wouldn't think they could flood an airline cockpit with light that would
"blind" anyone.  And I wish the media wold stop using that word so loosely.
Samson was blinded, the air crew was merely dazzled for a moment.  Do you
feel these handheld lasers are that powerful or dangerous?
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I'll add my 1.5 cents worth here.

First, the green lasers we use don't bloom much (the term for how much a
laser beam spreads out as it travels).  I"ve noticed at Powell that I can
produce a green dot roughly six inches in diameter on the row of trees about
1/4 or 1/2 mile south of the observatory, so at a mile, the bloom would
probably not exceed a foot or so. This would make the beam bright, but not
blinding.  Dazzling, but not fatal to the retina.

The pilot descriptions I"ve seen speak of the cabin being "flooded" with
green light.  This implies a fairly large bloom or a badly collimated laser.
ALso, to hit a cockpit of a jet moving at about 200 miles per hour takes
some pretty good aim.  I doubt if a hand-held unit could do this sort of
"blinding" unless it was mounted on some type of aiming telescope, like a
rifle sight.


Dick H



-----Original Message-----
From: Randy [mailto:randythm@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 11:17 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] lasers & pilots



    I have serious doubts that the handheld green lasers that we commonly
use are causing problems with commercial airline pilots when they are over a
mile high. If the laser was used at ground level from the end of the runway
it could get the attention of the flight crew about to take off.( in my
opinion) worth about two cents!
Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
Randy

Oh, I forgot to mention that the guy (Banach) in the news story has been charged with a FEDERAL crime under the infamous and poorly named PATRIOT ACT.  And he says he was just showing his daughter the stars from their deck.  This ain't funny no more.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Randy 
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 1/4/2005 11:17:15 PM 
Subject: Re: [ASKC] lasers & pilots


    I have serious doubts that the handheld green lasers that we commonly
use are causing problems with commercial airline pilots when they are over a
mile high. If the laser was used at ground level from the end of the runway
it could get the attention of the flight crew about to take off.( in my
opinion) worth about two cents!
Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
Randy
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Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 10:40 PM
Subject: [ASKC] lasers & pilots


>
> Maybe the pilots ARE being bothered by our teenie little green lasers.
From a news story today...
>
> "Banach's lawyer, Gina Mendola-Longarzo, said her client was simply using
the hand-held device to look at stars with his daughter on the family's
deck. She said Banach bought the device on the Internet for $100 for his job
testing fiber-optic cable."
>
> Has anyone tried looking into one of these beams from a mile away?  I
wouldn't think they could flood an airline cockpit with light that would
"blind" anyone.  And I wish the media wold stop using that word so loosely.
Samson was blinded, the air crew was merely dazzled for a moment.  Do you
feel these handheld lasers are that powerful or dangerous?
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--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Randy" <randythm@k...> wrote:
>     I have serious doubts that the handheld green lasers that we
commonly
> use are causing problems with commercial airline pilots when they
are over a
> mile high. 

Checking the specs on one's like we use, shows that the typical range
is approximately 9,000 ft (2600 m) in darkness. That's close to 2
miles (10,560 ft).

Airliners typically fly at over 30,000 ft. (nearly 5
miles up). If these lasers bloom to 12 inches at a
mile what would they bloom to at 5 if they have that
kind of range? 

Tim Landreth


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> --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Randy" <randythm@k...>
> wrote:
> >     I have serious doubts that the handheld green
> lasers that we
> commonly
> > use are causing problems with commercial airline
> pilots when they
> are over a
> > mile high. 
> 
> Checking the specs on one's like we use, shows that
> the typical range
> is approximately 9,000 ft (2600 m) in darkness.
> That's close to 2
> miles (10,560 ft).
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I think the cnn article indicated that the twit admitted that he "painted" the cockpit 3 times implying he was deliberately aiming at the plane. It was on approach and therefore low and slow. He then proceeded to "paint" the helocopter sent to investigate. While he couldn't track accuratly enough to maintain his aim on the targets he could sweep the cockpit a few times and momentarily flash the cockpit. He deserves to be prosecuted.

It's nasty outside.

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Larry is out playing in the snow !!!  $$$$$$ Hurray for the weather but NOT 
if the electricity goes off.  That's where I put my foot down, I have to have 
light, TV, heat, computer, etc. etc.

The laser thing was weird.  Why would anyone point it at the cockpit of an 
airplane???
Just experimenting? mean? wanting attention?   Maybe it stayed overcast for 
such a long period that he went berserk?  Whoa !!   ????  

Would it melt the snow?  :)
Karen


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Simple ratio would tell--- 30,000 ft is about 6 times the distance of a
mile, so the bloom would spread to about six feet.


Dick H



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From: beany landreth [mailto:b_landreth@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 5:52 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Re: lasers & pilots



Airliners typically fly at over 30,000 ft. (nearly 5
miles up). If these lasers bloom to 12 inches at a
mile what would they bloom to at 5 if they have that
kind of range?

Tim Landreth


--- sc285 <webmaster@...> wrote:

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> --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Randy" <randythm@k...>
> wrote:
> >     I have serious doubts that the handheld green
> lasers that we
> commonly
> > use are causing problems with commercial airline
> pilots when they
> are over a
> > mile high.
>
> Checking the specs on one's like we use, shows that
> the typical range
> is approximately 9,000 ft (2600 m) in darkness.
> That's close to 2
> miles (10,560 ft).
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Maybe for punishment he should be strapped to a chair while an airline pilot
flashes the landing lights of a 747 in his face from 50 feet away... What an
idiot!


Dick H


-----Original Message-----
From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 6:50 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] lasers?



I think the cnn article indicated that the twit admitted that he "painted"
the cockpit 3 times implying he was deliberately aiming at the plane. It was
on approach and therefore low and slow. He then proceeded to "paint" the
helocopter sent to investigate. While he couldn't track accuratly enough to
maintain his aim on the targets he could sweep the cockpit a few times and
momentarily flash the cockpit. He deserves to be prosecuted.

It's nasty outside.

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Any bets on how long it will take for the FEDS to confiscate our toys and green lasers get banned under the Patriot Act?

Remember, unlike firearms, the right to bear green lasers is not protected by the constitution.

anyone for the phrase "when they pry it from my cold dead fingers!"?

-Dave Dembinski





"David Young" <dyoung8@...> wrote:

>I think the cnn article indicated that the twit admitted that he "painted" the cockpit 3 times implying he was deliberately aiming at the plane. It was on approach and therefore low and slow. He then proceeded to "paint" the helocopter sent to investigate. While he couldn't track accuratly enough to maintain his aim on the targets he could sweep the cockpit a few times and momentarily flash the cockpit. He deserves to be prosecuted.
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 7:57 AM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] lasers?


  Any bets on how long it will take for the FEDS to confiscate our toys and green lasers get banned under the Patriot Act?

  Remember, unlike firearms, the right to bear green lasers is not protected by the constitution.

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  >I think the cnn article indicated that the twit admitted that he "painted" the cockpit 3 times implying he was deliberately aiming at the plane. It was on approach and therefore low and slow. He then proceeded to "paint" the helocopter sent to investigate. While he couldn't track accuratly enough to maintain his aim on the targets he could sweep the cockpit a few times and momentarily flash the cockpit. He deserves to be prosecuted.
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I love the sound of tree limbs crashing to ground punctuated by the flash of blue green light and the smell of smoke and ozone in the morning.

Actually the roads aren't bad at all, yet.
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  Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 7:36 AM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] lasers?


  Larry is out playing in the snow !!!  $$$$$$ Hurray for the weather but NOT 
  if the electricity goes off.  That's where I put my foot down, I have to have 
  light, TV, heat, computer, etc. etc.

  The laser thing was weird.  Why would anyone point it at the cockpit of an 
  airplane???
  Just experimenting? mean? wanting attention?   Maybe it stayed overcast for 
  such a long period that he went berserk?  Whoa !!   ????  

  Would it melt the snow?  :)
  Karen


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  I can only say I knew I would feel better after you responded.    Yes, 
those blue and green light flashes are exciting then the deafening boom sound 
could be a bomb being dropped but...... whew !!!!!!!!!!!

okay the snow fighter is at home.  bye 


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Right. My point is, though, a bloom that large WOULD
lightup a cockpit quite well... assuming these things
have that kind of range.
tim
--- Dick Harshaw <dwharshaw@...> wrote:

> Simple ratio would tell--- 30,000 ft is about 6
> times the distance of a
> mile, so the bloom would spread to about six feet.
> 
> 
> Dick H
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> 
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> From: beany landreth [mailto:b_landreth@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 5:52 AM
> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [ASKC] Re: lasers & pilots
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> 
> 
> Airliners typically fly at over 30,000 ft. (nearly 5
> miles up). If these lasers bloom to 12 inches at a
> mile what would they bloom to at 5 if they have that
> kind of range?
> 
> Tim Landreth
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> --- sc285 <webmaster@...> wrote:
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> >
> > --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Randy"
> <randythm@k...>
> > wrote:
> > >     I have serious doubts that the handheld
> green
> > lasers that we
> > commonly
> > > use are causing problems with commercial airline
> > pilots when they
> > are over a
> > > mile high.
> >
> > Checking the specs on one's like we use, shows
> that
> > the typical range
> > is approximately 9,000 ft (2600 m) in darkness.
> > That's close to 2
> > miles (10,560 ft).
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Yes, but the bloom would be 1/36 the brilliance per square foot that it
would be at 1 mile, and our little green "star pointers" are bright, but not
searingly so, at 1 mile.  Dave Young's earlier comment made a lot of sense--
this clown with his daughter was pointing his at a plane that was
approaching to land-- it would have been low in the sky and slow (and
probably not 30,000 feet high).  Even a glancing flash across the windshield
would cause the pilots some concern.

Dick H


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Right. My point is, though, a bloom that large WOULD
lightup a cockpit quite well... assuming these things
have that kind of range.
tim
--- Dick Harshaw <dwharshaw@...> wrote:

> Simple ratio would tell--- 30,000 ft is about 6
> times the distance of a
> mile, so the bloom would spread to about six feet.
>
>
> Dick H
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: beany landreth [mailto:b_landreth@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 5:52 AM
> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [ASKC] Re: lasers & pilots
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>
>
> Airliners typically fly at over 30,000 ft. (nearly 5
> miles up). If these lasers bloom to 12 inches at a
> mile what would they bloom to at 5 if they have that
> kind of range?
>
> Tim Landreth
>
>
> --- sc285 <webmaster@...> wrote:
>
> >
> > --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Randy"
> <randythm@k...>
> > wrote:
> > >     I have serious doubts that the handheld
> green
> > lasers that we
> > commonly
> > > use are causing problems with commercial airline
> > pilots when they
> > are over a
> > > mile high.
> >
> > Checking the specs on one's like we use, shows
> that
> > the typical range
> > is approximately 9,000 ft (2600 m) in darkness.
> > That's close to 2
> > miles (10,560 ft).
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I went back and read David's earlier comments (which I
hadn't read yet). The guy deserves to be prosecuted.
(I don't know that the Patriot Act is called for in
this case though) He did it on approach and the
helitopter??? Not to swift this guy.
tim
--- Dick Harshaw <dwharshaw@...> wrote:

> Yes, but the bloom would be 1/36 the brilliance per
> square foot that it
> would be at 1 mile, and our little green "star
> pointers" are bright, but not
> searingly so, at 1 mile.  Dave Young's earlier
> comment made a lot of sense--
> this clown with his daughter was pointing his at a
> plane that was
> approaching to land-- it would have been low in the
> sky and slow (and
> probably not 30,000 feet high).  Even a glancing
> flash across the windshield
> would cause the pilots some concern.
> 
> Dick H
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: beany landreth [mailto:b_landreth@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 8:18 AM
> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [ASKC] Re: lasers & pilots
> 
> 
> 
> Right. My point is, though, a bloom that large WOULD
> lightup a cockpit quite well... assuming these
> things
> have that kind of range.
> tim
> --- Dick Harshaw <dwharshaw@...> wrote:
> 
> > Simple ratio would tell--- 30,000 ft is about 6
> > times the distance of a
> > mile, so the bloom would spread to about six feet.
> >
> >
> > Dick H
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: beany landreth [mailto:b_landreth@...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 5:52 AM
> > To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [ASKC] Re: lasers & pilots
> >
> >
> >
> > Airliners typically fly at over 30,000 ft. (nearly
> 5
> > miles up). If these lasers bloom to 12 inches at a
> > mile what would they bloom to at 5 if they have
> that
> > kind of range?
> >
> > Tim Landreth
> >
> >
> > --- sc285 <webmaster@...>
> wrote:
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The company that produced my 13mW laser is no longer making them.  
Not at the request of the government.  I seriously doubt that mine 
reaches the 32,000ft range as advertised.  It does reach from the 
dome to the bridge over 69 at 263rd.  They do have more powerful 
lasers that use C cell batteries or a converter.  I think all the 
way up to 100mW or beyond.  They are expensive.

Get your laser registration cards ready.  There will be a 5 day 
waiting period before purchase.


Joe

I just ordered a couple more.

    First they would "Register" all lasers. Then after a few months they
would "BAN" all lasers and make it a Federal Crime to have a laser in your
possession unless it is in a laser "SAFE"  at a specified laser range with
the batteries removed and stored away from the reach of children. You would
have to apply for a permit to take your laser out of the "SAFE" at least
nine months before you wanted to use it and pay for a Federal Oversite
Officer to Watch you use said laser. If you should come within 90 degrees of
any person on the ground or in the air it would be a 10 yr. Federal Crime,
sentence to be served at a Federal Facility. Should a second offence occur,
the Death Penalty would be considered if the Oversite Officer noted any
malice during your use of the laser.
    Bumper stickers would be displayed that read, "Lasers don't PAINT,
People Do."
Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
Randy
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <DembinskiD@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 7:57 AM
Subject: RE: [ASKC] lasers?


>
> Any bets on how long it will take for the FEDS to confiscate our toys and
green lasers get banned under the Patriot Act?
>
> Remember, unlike firearms, the right to bear green lasers is not protected
by the constitution.
>
> anyone for the phrase "when they pry it from my cold dead fingers!"?
>
> -Dave Dembinski
>
>
>
>
>
> "David Young" <dyoung8@...> wrote:
>
> >I think the cnn article indicated that the twit admitted that he
"painted" the cockpit 3 times implying he was deliberately aiming at the
plane. It was on approach and therefore low and slow. He then proceeded to
"paint" the helocopter sent to investigate. While he couldn't track
accuratly enough to maintain his aim on the targets he could sweep the
cockpit a few times and momentarily flash the cockpit. He deserves to be
prosecuted.
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To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
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    First they would "Register" all lasers. Then after a few months they
would "BAN" all lasers and make it a Federal Crime to have a laser in your
possession unless it is in a laser "SAFE"  at a specified laser range with
the batteries removed and stored away from the reach of children. You would
have to apply for a permit to take your laser out of the "SAFE" at least
nine months before you wanted to use it and pay for a Federal Oversite
Officer to Watch you use said laser. If you should come within 90 degrees of
any person on the ground or in the air it would be a 10 yr. Federal Crime,
sentence to be served at a Federal Facility. Should a second offence occur,
the Death Penalty would be considered if the Oversite Officer noted any
malice during your use of the laser.
    Bumper stickers would be displayed that read, "Lasers don't PAINT,
People Do."
Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
Randy
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 7:57 AM
Subject: RE: [ASKC] lasers?


>
> Any bets on how long it will take for the FEDS to confiscate our toys and
green lasers get banned under the Patriot Act?
>
> Remember, unlike firearms, the right to bear green lasers is not protected
by the constitution.
>
> anyone for the phrase "when they pry it from my cold dead fingers!"?
>
> -Dave Dembinski
>
>
>
>
>
> "David Young" <dyoung8@...> wrote:
>
> >I think the cnn article indicated that the twit admitted that he
"painted" the cockpit 3 times implying he was deliberately aiming at the
plane. It was on approach and therefore low and slow. He then proceeded to
"paint" the helocopter sent to investigate. While he couldn't track
accuratly enough to maintain his aim on the targets he could sweep the
cockpit a few times and momentarily flash the cockpit. He deserves to be
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Methinks you guys are getting paranoid about the Patriot Act.  8^)

Dick H


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 11:07 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] lasers?



    First they would "Register" all lasers. Then after a few months they
would "BAN" all lasers and make it a Federal Crime to have a laser in your
possession unless it is in a laser "SAFE"  at a specified laser range with
the batteries removed and stored away from the reach of children. You would
have to apply for a permit to take your laser out of the "SAFE" at least
nine months before you wanted to use it and pay for a Federal Oversite
Officer to Watch you use said laser. If you should come within 90 degrees of
any person on the ground or in the air it would be a 10 yr. Federal Crime,
sentence to be served at a Federal Facility. Should a second offence occur,
the Death Penalty would be considered if the Oversite Officer noted any
malice during your use of the laser.
    Bumper stickers would be displayed that read, "Lasers don't PAINT,
People Do."
Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
Randy

    Maybe I have too much free time today. ;-)
Cloudy Skies and Icy Roads,
Randy
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dick Harshaw" <dwharshaw@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 11:12 AM
Subject: RE: [ASKC] lasers?


>
> Methinks you guys are getting paranoid about the Patriot Act.  8^)
>
> Dick H
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Randy [mailto:randythm@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 11:07 AM
> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [ASKC] lasers?
>
>
>
>     First they would "Register" all lasers. Then after a few months they
> would "BAN" all lasers and make it a Federal Crime to have a laser in your
> possession unless it is in a laser "SAFE"  at a specified laser range with
> the batteries removed and stored away from the reach of children. You
would
> have to apply for a permit to take your laser out of the "SAFE" at least
> nine months before you wanted to use it and pay for a Federal Oversite
> Officer to Watch you use said laser. If you should come within 90 degrees
of
> any person on the ground or in the air it would be a 10 yr. Federal Crime,
> sentence to be served at a Federal Facility. Should a second offence
occur,
> the Death Penalty would be considered if the Oversite Officer noted any
> malice during your use of the laser.
>     Bumper stickers would be displayed that read, "Lasers don't PAINT,
> People Do."
> Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
> Randy
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I agree it isn't too swift, but I disagree that it should be
pursued by the feds under the Patriot Act.  there was
already a misdemeanor version of this that is appropriate
here that would suffice, and I think that one stupid stupid
act that results in only a little chaos does not deserve to
be a federal case with mandatory sentences and treatment
from on high like you commited treason.

I don't know if the Patriot act covers this from a legal standpoint
yet either but if it does, it is a good example of how stupid it
is.

for that matter if you were in a crowded theatre and let
a huge fart that paniced everyone into thinking there was
a gas attack (you should not be around me after chinese
and i belch i have been told, it does not smell like anything
that comes out of a human of a gastric nature), you could
be prosecuted.

much as you could laugh at the above, it is an example
of the absurd level that our fears have taken us with the
help of people with what I consider to be an ill guided
and bad agenda.

Jim

beany landreth wrote:

> I went back and read David's earlier comments (which I
> hadn't read yet). The guy deserves to be prosecuted.
> (I don't know that the Patriot Act is called for in
> this case though) He did it on approach and the
> helitopter??? Not to swift this guy.
> tim

Did anyone see that on TV?   I forgot about it totally.  I would have taped 
it.  I just do CD's.
Karen


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Hey, maybe we could buy a strong laser and melt the ice off the trees,
remembering to be careful and not set them on fire.

D T

-----Original Message-----
From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 8:03 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] lasers?


I love the sound of tree limbs crashing to ground punctuated by the flash of
blue green light and the smell of smoke and ozone in the morning.

Actually the roads aren't bad at all, yet.
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Karlar7@...
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 7:36 AM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] lasers?


  Larry is out playing in the snow !!!  $$$$$$ Hurray for the weather but
NOT
  if the electricity goes off.  That's where I put my foot down, I have to
have
  light, TV, heat, computer, etc. etc.

  The laser thing was weird.  Why would anyone point it at the cockpit of an
  airplane???
  Just experimenting? mean? wanting attention?   Maybe it stayed overcast
for
  such a long period that he went berserk?  Whoa !!   ????

  Would it melt the snow?  :)
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--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Dick Harshaw" <dwharshaw@k...> wrote:
> Methinks you guys are getting paranoid about the Patriot Act. 8^)
> Dick H

No, they aren't. Paranoia, in this case, is just a matter of
knowing the facts. They ARE out to get you.

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, jim stephens <jwstephens@m...> wrote:
>... 
> I don't know if the Patriot act covers this from a
> legal standpoint...

The USA-PATRIOT Act is worded so that it covers just about
anything the feds want it to. In case someone hasn't read
this treasonous act, I will summarize: most of our rights
under the US Constitution have been stripped. Jury trials,
lawyers, phone calls, etc...kiss them all goodbye if you
are judged to be a "terrorist". And what is a terrorist?
According to the USA-PATRIOT Act, a terrorist is anyone
who commits any act which breaks any state or federal law
and endangers human life. Think about that. Jaywalking is
now a terrorist act. Painting high-flying airliner cockpits
with laser light would definitely qualify, although I don't
see how one could unless the plane was flying umop-apisdn.

I'll stop now, before this becomes a full-blown rant. Just
don't get me started on the USA-PATRIOT Act...

-JC

Good grief, Charlie Brown....

DH


-----Original Message-----
From: John Cravens [mailto:John.Cravens@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 12:42 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Re: lasers & pilots




--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Dick Harshaw" <dwharshaw@k...> wrote:
> Methinks you guys are getting paranoid about the Patriot Act. 8^)
> Dick H

No, they aren't. Paranoia, in this case, is just a matter of
knowing the facts. They ARE out to get you.

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, jim stephens <jwstephens@m...> wrote:
>... 
> I don't know if the Patriot act covers this from a
> legal standpoint...

The USA-PATRIOT Act is worded so that it covers just about
anything the feds want it to. In case someone hasn't read
this treasonous act, I will summarize: most of our rights
under the US Constitution have been stripped. Jury trials,
lawyers, phone calls, etc...kiss them all goodbye if you
are judged to be a "terrorist". And what is a terrorist?
According to the USA-PATRIOT Act, a terrorist is anyone
who commits any act which breaks any state or federal law
and endangers human life. Think about that. Jaywalking is
now a terrorist act. Painting high-flying airliner cockpits
with laser light would definitely qualify, although I don't
see how one could unless the plane was flying umop-apisdn.

I'll stop now, before this becomes a full-blown rant. Just
don't get me started on the USA-PATRIOT Act...

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I don't know what your gastronomical outgasing is like
but I do have a few friends that are definitely a
threat to national security.
tim
--- jim stephens <jwstephens@...> wrote:

> I agree it isn't too swift, but I disagree that it
> should be
> pursued by the feds under the Patriot Act.  there
> was
> already a misdemeanor version of this that is
> appropriate
> here that would suffice, and I think that one stupid
> stupid
> act that results in only a little chaos does not
> deserve to
> be a federal case with mandatory sentences and
> treatment
> from on high like you commited treason.
> 
> I don't know if the Patriot act covers this from a
> legal standpoint
> yet either but if it does, it is a good example of
> how stupid it
> is.
> 
> for that matter if you were in a crowded theatre and
> let
> a huge fart that paniced everyone into thinking
> there was
> a gas attack (you should not be around me after
> chinese
> and i belch i have been told, it does not smell like
> anything
> that comes out of a human of a gastric nature), you
> could
> be prosecuted.
> 
> much as you could laugh at the above, it is an
> example
> of the absurd level that our fears have taken us
> with the
> help of people with what I consider to be an ill
> guided
> and bad agenda.
> 
> Jim
> 
> beany landreth wrote:
> 
> > I went back and read David's earlier comments
> (which I
> > hadn't read yet). The guy deserves to be
> prosecuted.
> > (I don't know that the Patriot Act is called for
> in
> > this case though) He did it on approach and the
> > helitopter??? Not to swift this guy.
> > tim
> 
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You are the only person in the Kansas City area that didn't watch it.
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  Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 11:39 AM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] NOVA Tonight


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No there were 2 of us. I got sidetracked by the
computer.
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The only reason I got to watch it was that I set the dvr 30 seconds after I read the message about it being on;-)
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  Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 12:48 PM
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  No there were 2 of us. I got sidetracked by the
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Well, if any of you failed to see the NOVA show on the Mars missions, here is a pretty good summary of what you missed:

http://www.freep.com/voices/columnists/barry8_20040208.htm

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Dr. Flescher,

 

That link seems to go nowhere, can you re-post it?
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.htm

 

Thanks

 

 

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Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 11:17 AM
To: undisclosed-recipients:
Subject: [ASKC] congrats on your great picture of Comet Machholz on Apod

 

Congrats on your   great picture of  Comet Machholz on Apod 1/5/2005
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.htm


Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), 
member,   ASKC-Astronomical Society of Kansas City,
Olathe, KS. USA,   
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here it is:

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap050105.html


also.... David how did the arial pics of the dark site turn out?

-scott
-------------- Original message -------------- 
Dr. Flescher,



That link seems to go nowhere, can you re-post it?
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.htm



Thanks





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Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 11:17 AM
To: undisclosed-recipients:
Subject: [ASKC] congrats on your great picture of Comet Machholz on Apod



Congrats on your   great picture of  Comet Machholz on Apod 1/5/2005
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.htm


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    I have the program on Video Cassette. I could bring it to the next
meeting if your interested.
Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
Randy
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> The only reason I got to watch it was that I set the dvr 30 seconds after
I read the message about it being on;-)
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I didn't know Jimmy Westlake was an ASKC member on this yahoogroup!

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> Congrats on your   great picture of  Comet Machholz on Apod 1/5/2005
> http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.htm
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> 
> Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@a...), 

I, too, missed the Mars program last night. But...

According to Comcast's listings, NOVA will be shown
again tonight, Jan. 5, at 10:00 p.m. Unfortunately,
I have no blank VHS tapes and it's way too nasty to
get out and get one. <:/

<sigh> Hurry, spring...

-JC

Scott,
 
The plane needs to go higher,  most of the pic.s had nothing but
grass(field) in the view. I have a better plane and a new camera to try
out.
I do have one or two ok pics, I see if I can post them somewhere, and
I'll let the group know then.
If the land pans out and the club buys it, My dad said that he would fly
me over so that I can take some shot with my other camera.
 
Just remember it going to be 60 degrees Sun.,       - right before the
next Ice Storm.
 
Dave F
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: s.kranz1@... [mailto:s.kranz1@...] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 1:53 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ASKC] congrats on your great picture of Comet Machholz on
Apod


here it is:

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap050105.html


also.... David how did the arial pics of the dark site turn out?

-scott
-------------- Original message -------------- 
Dr. Flescher,



That link seems to go nowhere, can you re-post it?
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.htm



Thanks





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Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 11:17 AM
To: undisclosed-recipients:
Subject: [ASKC] congrats on your great picture of Comet Machholz on Apod



Congrats on your   great picture of  Comet Machholz on Apod 1/5/2005
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.htm


Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), 
member,   ASKC-Astronomical Society of Kansas City,
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Comets Award Coordinator, Astronomical League,
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just add an l to the end to make it html
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: SM20 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 3:46 PM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] congrats on your great picture of Comet Machholz on Apod


  Dr. Flescher,



  That link seems to go nowhere, can you re-post it?
  http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.htm



  Thanks





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  Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 11:17 AM
  To: undisclosed-recipients:
  Subject: [ASKC] congrats on your great picture of Comet Machholz on Apod



  Congrats on your   great picture of  Comet Machholz on Apod 1/5/2005
  http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.htm


  Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), 
  member,   ASKC-Astronomical Society of Kansas City,
  Olathe, KS. USA,   
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Check with Gil Machin for a reference, among others about this...

serious consideration was once given to having a dining and
gastronomical
branch of the "society" once the decision was made not to be just a
"club".

I may have had negative influence on that, during frequent stops at
Dennys
after board meetings.

jim

beany landreth wrote:

> I don't know what your gastronomical outgasing is like
> but I do have a few friends that are definitely a
> threat to national security.
> tim
> --- jim stephens <jwstephens@...> wrote:

There is no emollient that can place the USA PATRIOT ACT and the BILL OF RIGHTS quietly in the same container.

George Allen


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Dick Harshaw 
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 1/5/2005 11:02:42 AM 
Subject: RE: [ASKC] lasers?


Methinks you guys are getting paranoid about the Patriot Act.  8^)

Dick H

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I don't think I have any blank ones either.   I had some but I think I taped 
too much of "All My Children" when I had to be away.  I didn't want to miss 
the big scene that I had been waiting for.  I wanted to be there whenever Bianca 
was told that the baby was really her Miranda.  I'd waited a long long long 
time for that scene.  hahaha.   Sad but true.  I know you are all interested in 
that too.   Oh don't try to kid me !!!   

Oh well !!!   -


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See David I am NOT the only one, so there.  ya ya ya ya !!!!   Jackie is 
going to make me a DVD of it.  I can watch it over and over if I want to.  Karen 


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In a message dated 1/5/2005 1:56:01 PM Central Standard Time, 
s.kranz1@... writes:
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/
This was a great pic of the comet.   Karen


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just go as far as gov/      leave the last part off the address and it will 
come up just fine.  It did for me.  I tried both ways.   So put in the address 
in but only as far as gov/  ok??


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I have Comcast TV.   But I don't have a TV guide.  Is it on tonight?  (the 
Mars deal)

Karen


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Did you see this article where asteroid hunters received grants of from  $900 
to $10,000 each?  Why didn't we apply.  Our guys do more than  almost anyone!
Tim Kristl
 
 
_Sky  and Telescope - Asteroid Hunters Receive Grants_ 
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Yeah, and John Ashcroft quit speaking in tongues after he became the
Attorney General.

Sorry Dick, I disagree with you on this one AND NO PUN INTENDED.  At least
not until I can think of one.

Rick Henderson

----- Original Message ----- 
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Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 11:12 AM
Subject: RE: [ASKC] lasers?


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> Methinks you guys are getting paranoid about the Patriot Act.  8^)
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> Dick H
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> the batteries removed and stored away from the reach of children. You
would
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of
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> sentence to be served at a Federal Facility. Should a second offence
occur,
> the Death Penalty would be considered if the Oversite Officer noted any
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The NOVA show on Mars was pretty fun.  Also, yesterday on Time Warner Cable,
channel 2 I think, they were showing time lapse footage of the rovers
driving around Mars, complete with showing the camera arms and grinders
doing their thing.  It was kind of like watching the Sci-Fi version of the
Keystone Cops on Mars.

Rick Henderson

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Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: [ASKC] NOVA Tonight


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Hi!  I thought you'd be interested in this story from Science@NASA: On Friday night, January 7th, Comet Machholz visits the Pleiades. http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2005/05jan_machholz.htm?friend 

Wow!  Nice pic!

I just got back from New Mexico and had one night of clear observing
Machholz from the desert at 6800 ft elevation.  We could make out the dust
tail, but not the ion tail.

Thanks for the link.

Rick Henderson
----- Original Message ----- 
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Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 1:53 PM
Subject: RE: [ASKC] congrats on your great picture of Comet Machholz on Apod


>
> here it is:
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> http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap050105.html
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>
> also.... David how did the arial pics of the dark site turn out?
>
> -scott
> -------------- Original message -------------- 
> Dr. Flescher,
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> That link seems to go nowhere, can you re-post it?
> http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.htm
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>
>
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> From: KCStarguy@... [mailto:KCStarguy@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 11:17 AM
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> Subject: [ASKC] congrats on your great picture of Comet Machholz on Apod
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>
> Congrats on your   great picture of  Comet Machholz on Apod 1/5/2005
> http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.htm
>
>
> Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...),
> member,   ASKC-Astronomical Society of Kansas City,
> Olathe, KS. USA,
> JPL / NASA Solar System Ambassador, Kansas:
> Comets Award Coordinator, Astronomical League,
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In the member's area of the ASKC website, is the official ASKC ballot
for the vote on the dark sky site. For those that need additional
copies, or if you do not plan on being at the January meeting and wish
to mail in your vote early, you will find it at the top of the page,
in PDF format.

If you have never been to the member's area, or have forgot the
username and password to access the area, email me privately at
rob515@...
for instructions.

Rob

P.S. How many have noticed the new slide show??

FYI - David Young and group ...
The scout group scheduled for Thurs has canceled due to weather.  
Brian Ratigan called and said he will contact David Young, via email.  They 
would like to go forward with their backup date on Jan 20.  I am not available 
on that date.
Mike Sterling


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It did not really say in the article in the paper how they found out it was 
that guy that pointed the laser did they? I mean the article said the lawyer 
said he was just waving at the sky to point out constellations and stars .

Dr. Eric Flescher (   kcstarguy@...), 
Olathe, KS. USA



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I think I saw on TV that he admitted to hitting the landing A/C 2 to 3 times
in the cockpit and then when the helicopter came out to investigate the
source he aimed it at the chopper too.   If that is true, then he was pretty
ignorant of what he was doing and deserved to but used as an example for the
rest of the idiots aiming a laser at low flying A/C.

D T

-----Original Message-----
From: KCStarguy@... [mailto:KCStarguy@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 12:40 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] laser


It did not really say in the article in the paper how they found out it was
that guy that pointed the laser did they? I mean the article said the lawyer
said he was just waving at the sky to point out constellations and stars .

Dr. Eric Flescher (   kcstarguy@...),
Olathe, KS. USA



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After submitting to a lie detector test he admitted that he aimed the laser at the airplane on purpose. Two days later he also aimed it at a helocopter sent to survey the area to try to locate the source. He would not have been located if he had not decided to "tag" the helecopter. The guy is (a) irresponsible   (b) dumb as a stick  (c) all of the above.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: KCStarguy@... 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 12:39 AM
  Subject: [ASKC] laser


  It did not really say in the article in the paper how they found out it was 
  that guy that pointed the laser did they? I mean the article said the lawyer 
  said he was just waving at the sky to point out constellations and stars .

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The guy who had Powell reserved for tonight said he was cancelling because of school being closed and the dome being frozen. 

Is the dome frozen?

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Each to his own, Rick.  I respect the stand you (and the others) have on
this.  I don't agree with you, but that's what America is all about, isn't
it?

Dick H


-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Henderson [mailto:rhenderson1@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 9:50 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] lasers?



Yeah, and John Ashcroft quit speaking in tongues after he became the
Attorney General.

Sorry Dick, I disagree with you on this one AND NO PUN INTENDED.  At least
not until I can think of one.

Rick Henderson

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dick Harshaw" <dwharshaw@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 11:12 AM
Subject: RE: [ASKC] lasers?


>
> Methinks you guys are getting paranoid about the Patriot Act.  8^)
>
> Dick H
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Randy [mailto:randythm@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 11:07 AM
> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [ASKC] lasers?
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>     First they would "Register" all lasers. Then after a few months they
> would "BAN" all lasers and make it a Federal Crime to have a laser in your
> possession unless it is in a laser "SAFE"  at a specified laser range with
> the batteries removed and stored away from the reach of children. You
would
> have to apply for a permit to take your laser out of the "SAFE" at least
> nine months before you wanted to use it and pay for a Federal Oversite
> Officer to Watch you use said laser. If you should come within 90 degrees
of
> any person on the ground or in the air it would be a 10 yr. Federal Crime,
> sentence to be served at a Federal Facility. Should a second offence
occur,
> the Death Penalty would be considered if the Oversite Officer noted any
> malice during your use of the laser.
>     Bumper stickers would be displayed that read, "Lasers don't PAINT,
> People Do."
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Yes, several of us have been aware of the ASP grant program for quite a while. The rock hunters are fully committed and have no time available for other programs. We considered a light curve analysis program as well as a spectrascope but decided not to pursue any additional observing programs or grants due to staff limits. We are making excellent use of the equipment we currently have and additional equipment would not be used fully. It just didn't seem right to apply for a grant that would take money away from other organizations that would be able to make better use of it. If something happens to our telescope or camera then we will be after NASA and ASP in a heartbeat. If there was some piece of equipment that would significantly improve our program with the staffing available we would pursue it vigorously. 
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  From: TKristl100@... 
  To: askc@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 8:02 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] Check out Sky and Telescope - Asteroid Hunters Receive Grants


  Did you see this article where asteroid hunters received grants of from  $900 
  to $10,000 each?  Why didn't we apply.  Our guys do more than  almost anyone!
  Tim Kristl


  _Sky  and Telescope - Asteroid Hunters Receive Grants_ 
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I received the following message from Bob Gent, President of the  
Astronomical League, and want to pass it along.
 
Ed Flaspoehler, AL Press Officer
 
On behalf of the Astronomical League Executive Committee, I would like  to 
wish each of you a Happy New Year and thank you for your outstanding service  to 
the League.   We have accomplished much over the past year, and  none of our 
achievements would have been possible without your enthusiasm and  dedication 
to astronomy and the League.  

This message also provides  some news and reminders.  First, we are fast 
approaching the next Reflector  deadline.  Please be sure to send observing 
awards, and other news stories  of interest to Reflector editor, Kent Marts, by 
January 15.   

Also, we are fast approaching deadlines for our National Young  Astronomer 
Award and other awards.  The NYAA deadline is January  31.   We also encourage 
you to nominate young astronomers for the  Horkheimer Service Award, deadline 
March 31.   What better way to  encourage young astronomers than to nominate 
them for these prestigious  awards.  Winning telescopes, conventions trips, and 
cash, is a wonderful  incentive.  Please help us promote these awards.  

For adults,  we now have the Mable Sterns (Newsletter Editor of the Year) 
Award, the  Webmaster of the Year Award, and other awards.  Deadlines for these 
awards  are March 31.  For information on these and other awards, please 
contact  Carroll Iorg <Carroll-Iorg@...>, or visit our website.   

We also award the AL, Peltier, and Wright Awards.  If you would  like us to 
consider anyone for these awards, please contact me directly.   We are always 
looking to give recognition to amateur astronomers who have made  significant 
accomplishments.  

Next year's convention will be held  in Kansas City at the Sheraton Overland 
Park Hotel, and we are looking forward  to a really exciting conference.   
This hotel and conference center is  conveniently located near the League's new 
national office in Kansas City, and  we have the ability to expand to the 
Overland Park Conference Center in future  years, if necessary.   

The dates are  official:    August 11, 2005, Council meeting at League's  
National  Office.
August 11, 7pm Vendor setup begins.   
August 12-13, 2005 Astro Expo at the Sheraton (Friday-Sat)  
August 13  Annual Awards Banquet  

One of our primary our goals  next year will be to have the best astronomical 
trade show ever.  In  addition, we will continue to solicit top-notch 
speakers, and we will host the  annual awards banquet at the Sheraton.  Please mark 
your calendars and meet  us at the National Office in Kansas City.  We will be 
posting additional  information on the convention website soon, and in the 
Reflector  magazine.

We also have some new observing awards, including the Globular  Cluster 
observing award.  These League awards are a great way to learn more  about the 
night sky.  Also, we now have many challenging programs aimed at  the advanced 
observer.  Good luck with these programs!  

The  League's full council and Executive Council will be addressing a 
separate issue,  namely the bylaws amendment approved at last year's council meeting 
in  Berkeley.  If you are a member of Council, you will be receiving a 
separate  message from me on this subject.  I regret that so many of you were flooded 
 with excessive e-mail on this topic.

I hope all of you had a chance to  observe Comet Machholz.  It is growing 
brighter as we speak, and it's the  first bright comet in some time.   Also, 
there were several reports of  bright fireballs during the December Geminids 
Meteor shower.   The  night sky is always amazing us with its wonders.  

Please feel free  to share this e-mail with your member societies.  Thank you 
again and best  wishes for a healthy and prosperous New Year.

Clear skies and bright  stars,

Bob

Robert L. Gent
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Thanks Dick. That was mighty stupid of him. We take away any of them if they 
are in school because students are warned not to have the red ones. But the 
green go for longer distances I guess.

Dr. Eric Flescher ( kcstarguy@aol.com), 
Olathe, KS. USA


In a message dated 1/6/05 4:14:26 AM, ASKC@yahoogroups.com writes:


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> �� From: "D. Trentman" <dtrent@worldnet.att.net>
> Subject: RE: laser
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> I think I saw on TV that he admitted to hitting the landing A/C 2 to 3 times
> in the cockpit and then when the helicopter came out to investigate the
> source he aimed it at the chopper too.�� If that is true, then he was pretty
> ignorant of what he was doing and deserved to but used as an example for the
> rest of the idiots aiming a laser at low flying A/C.
> 
> D T
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: KCStarguy@... [mailto:KCStarguy@...]
> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 12:40 AM
> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [ASKC] laser
> 
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> It did not really say in the article in the paper how they found out it was
> that guy that pointed the laser did they? I mean the article said the lawyer
> said he was just waving at the sky to point out constellations and stars .
> 
> Dr. Eric Flescher (�� kcstarguy@...),
> Olathe, KS. USA
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It sure is pretty out there today. The sunlight (yes, that's the big yellow thing we haven't seen for a while) is making sparkles in the tree limbs. It almost makes me want to go out and look at the comet again tonight!

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Sorry about my flubbing the url address. Thanks Scott for catching that 
mistake. 
Many web designers use html at the end of the web address.   I forgot the 
"l." In fact webusers also can use "htm" but you to have to have the right one 
for your site otherwise it won't go there. I use "htm" at the end of my 
websites.

I might suggest that any of you APOD fans post this url on your favorite 
places

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/archivepix.html

It is the archive url address of the site. I put it in my NOW favorite place 
group file to look at the listing of the pictures each day from the past. You 
can see quite a few comets ones from the past too. 
Finally clear but cold skies tonight. I will try and see if I can spot the 
comet. Those who want a good chart of where the comet is goto
http://spaceweather.com
or 
http://www.heavens-above.com/

Both have nice maps.

Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), 
member,   ASKC-Astronomical Society of Kansas City,
Olathe, KS. USA,   
JPL / NASA Solar System Ambassador, Kansas: 
Comets Award Coordinator, Astronomical League,
http://www.astroleague.org/al/obsclubs/obsclub.html, 
http://www.astroleague.org/al/obsclubs/comet/comet.htm,
http://members.aol.com/kcstarguy/satoriastronomy/cometaward.htm> or 
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No problem, Dick.  It's nice to see that people actually remember that being
able to express one's differences without going bonkers was one of the
founding strengths of this country.

Cool beans and now back to building my gaziga-watt green/blue]plaid laser.
Switching colors ought to keep them ALL confused...

Bwahahahahahahahahahaha!

Rick Henderson
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dick Harshaw" <dwharshaw@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 8:27 AM
Subject: RE: [ASKC] lasers?


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> Each to his own, Rick.  I respect the stand you (and the others) have on
> this.  I don't agree with you, but that's what America is all about, isn't
> it?
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> Dick H
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rick Henderson [mailto:rhenderson1@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 9:50 PM
> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [ASKC] lasers?
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> Yeah, and John Ashcroft quit speaking in tongues after he became the
> Attorney General.
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> Sorry Dick, I disagree with you on this one AND NO PUN INTENDED.  At least
> not until I can think of one.
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> Rick Henderson
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dick Harshaw" <dwharshaw@...>
> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 11:12 AM
> Subject: RE: [ASKC] lasers?
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> > Methinks you guys are getting paranoid about the Patriot Act.  8^)
> >
> > Dick H
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> >
> > -----Original Message-----
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> > Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 11:07 AM
> > To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [ASKC] lasers?
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> >     First they would "Register" all lasers. Then after a few months they
> > would "BAN" all lasers and make it a Federal Crime to have a laser in
your
> > possession unless it is in a laser "SAFE"  at a specified laser range
with
> > the batteries removed and stored away from the reach of children. You
> would
> > have to apply for a permit to take your laser out of the "SAFE" at least
> > nine months before you wanted to use it and pay for a Federal Oversite
> > Officer to Watch you use said laser. If you should come within 90
degrees
> of
> > any person on the ground or in the air it would be a 10 yr. Federal
Crime,
> > sentence to be served at a Federal Facility. Should a second offence
> occur,
> > the Death Penalty would be considered if the Oversite Officer noted any
> > malice during your use of the laser.
> >     Bumper stickers would be displayed that read, "Lasers don't PAINT,
> > People Do."
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Mike Sterling


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I told him it was frozen after he said the schools were out and it wouldn't 
be a good idea.  It took me 30 minutes just to get my car door open yesterday.  
The last time we had ice (November?) I was down there 2 days after the ice 
with temps in the 40's and ice still had to be broken to open the doom doors.  
We both said that the temps were forecasted to remain below freezing and he 
said it would be better to postpone.  He said he was going to contact David Young 
and reschedule.  I also told him if things changed, we could go ahead and 
have it.  
With the doom sticking, as it has some lately, and the ice - it seemed the 
best move to go with his suggestion to reschedule.  No, I did not go down there 
and see if it was frozen.  The horizontal bars that the 2 doors slide on were 
the ones iced over last time.
Let me know of any suggestions or procedures that would have helped out.
Mike Sterling


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flame thrower?
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: mikekansascity@... 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 10:39 AM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] star party cancellation


  I told him it was frozen after he said the schools were out and it wouldn't 
  be a good idea.  It took me 30 minutes just to get my car door open yesterday.  
  The last time we had ice (November?) I was down there 2 days after the ice 
  with temps in the 40's and ice still had to be broken to open the doom doors.  
  We both said that the temps were forecasted to remain below freezing and he 
  said it would be better to postpone.  He said he was going to contact David Young 
  and reschedule.  I also told him if things changed, we could go ahead and 
  have it.  
  With the doom sticking, as it has some lately, and the ice - it seemed the 
  best move to go with his suggestion to reschedule.  No, I did not go down there 
  and see if it was frozen.  The horizontal bars that the 2 doors slide on were 
  the ones iced over last time.
  Let me know of any suggestions or procedures that would have helped out.
  Mike Sterling


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Gosh dangit, Dick, how do you reconcile the parallels between the Enabling Acts of 1933 and the USA PATRIOT ACT?  The 1933 act cancelled the constitutional protections and so does the new act.  This is all at the whim of the president to dispense with things like the 4th amendment.  We are getting so used to being searched at the airport that  we won't object to having our homes searched so that we will be safer.  You must be familiar with what Ben Franklin said about trading freedom for safety.  

This isn't really off-thread because we  enjoy the freedom to own lasers and  high powered optical stuff  and transport these things to distant and obscure places like eclipse sites and the Okie-Tex shindig.  A lot of folks would take a dim view of us watching USAF planes refuel all week, using huge optics with cameras.  God forbid someone would hit one of those planes with a laser.  Don't forget that in the belly of the supply plane there is a person looking straight down, flying the gas boom. During the fueling operation he has total control of the aircraft - he is the pilot for several minutes and looking down!  

Many legislators will pass bills just because they can then say they have done SOMETHING about a perceived threat.  Never mind that it doesn't make sense, it's better than doing nothing.  Therein lies the real paranoia...the fear of not being re-elected!

George Allen

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Dick Harshaw 
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 1/6/2005 8:27:13 AM 
Subject: RE: [ASKC] lasers?


Each to his own, Rick.  I respect the stand you (and the others) have on
this.  I don't agree with you, but that's what America is all about, isn't
it?

Dick H

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How about it folks? Anyone want to step up for this one? We can provide a
StarLab and some telescopes?

>I'm  planning a Science Night for Barstow on March 3rd from 6-8pm.at
> Barstow located at 11511 State Line Road in KCMO. We will serve the
> presenters dinner from 5:15-6pm when the event starts.
>
> The focus is for 5th -8th grade students.  In the past, as you recall, I
was
> gearing for 1-6th graders for Science Nights. It should be more
interesting
> with older kids. This is Barstow's first event like this.
>
> Can you and your friends help us out that evening?  If the weather is not
> appropriate we would still like you to show us how telescopes work or
> perhaps something listed in the email for JTTU below.The portable
> planetarium?
>
> What do you think?  Do you have the time and resources?
> Diana Abitz
> 913-649-9217
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "David Young" <dyoung8@...>
> To: "Laura Olinger" <lolinger@...>; "Gary Andersen"
> <gander@...>; <mcjckj@...>; <aatkison@...>;
> <kryan@...>; <mhall@...>;
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> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 10:53 AM
> Subject: Re: FW: JTTU Family Science Date
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> > Please keep in mind that the Astronomical Society has access to both of
> > Science City's StarLab portable planetariums as well as multiple
> > telescopes.
> > We also have a several solar prominence telescopes and several white
light
> > solar filter scopes. We have some nice equipment and people to
demonstrate
> > it. Please let us know if we can help out with a star party at our
> > observatory or at another location and I'll see what we can arrange.
> >
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Isn't this Saturday, the 8th, a date that some were considering going to the 
dark sky site? ... Any takers???  I'd consider it.
Mike Sterling


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I'll help out & can use your 10" (if available), my ETX, and 10x70 binocs 
with parallel mount ...
Mike Sterling


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I could help out on this one.  I live about 10 blocks from Barstow (and
still can't afford to send my kids to it) so it would be an easy jaunt for
me.

I haven't run the Starlab before, but if I had some help, I'm sure I could
learn.  Bringing a telescope is no problem, obviously.

Rick Henderson

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Young" <dyoung8@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 12:17 PM
Subject: [ASKC] Fw: FW: JTTU Family Science Date


>
> How about it folks? Anyone want to step up for this one? We can provide a
> StarLab and some telescopes?
>
> >I'm  planning a Science Night for Barstow on March 3rd from 6-8pm.at
> > Barstow located at 11511 State Line Road in KCMO. We will serve the
> > presenters dinner from 5:15-6pm when the event starts.
> >
> > The focus is for 5th -8th grade students.  In the past, as you recall, I
> was
> > gearing for 1-6th graders for Science Nights. It should be more
> interesting
> > with older kids. This is Barstow's first event like this.
> >
> > Can you and your friends help us out that evening?  If the weather is
not
> > appropriate we would still like you to show us how telescopes work or
> > perhaps something listed in the email for JTTU below.The portable
> > planetarium?
> >
> > What do you think?  Do you have the time and resources?
> > Diana Abitz
> > 913-649-9217
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "David Young" <dyoung8@...>
> > To: "Laura Olinger" <lolinger@...>; "Gary Andersen"
> > <gander@...>; <mcjckj@...>; <aatkison@...>;
> > <kryan@...>; <mhall@...>;
> > <mnesbitt@...>; <mjohnson@...>;
> > <djabitz@...>; <vanleuvanc@...>;
> > <Dan.Lumley@...>; <David.Beier@...>;
> > <marybillingsly@...>; <Nolahoffman@...>;
> <sharronspence@...>;
> > <eceule@...>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 10:53 AM
> > Subject: Re: FW: JTTU Family Science Date
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> > > Please keep in mind that the Astronomical Society has access to both
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-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Henderson [mailto:rhenderson1@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 10:40 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] lasers?



No problem, Dick.  It's nice to see that people actually remember that being
able to express one's differences without going bonkers was one of the
founding strengths of this country.

Cool beans and now back to building my gaziga-watt green/blue]plaid laser.
Switching colors ought to keep them ALL confused...

Bwahahahahahahahahahaha!

Rick Henderson
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dick Harshaw" <dwharshaw@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 8:27 AM
Subject: RE: [ASKC] lasers?


>
> Each to his own, Rick.  I respect the stand you (and the others) have on
> this.  I don't agree with you, but that's what America is all about, isn't
> it?
>
> Dick H
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rick Henderson [mailto:rhenderson1@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 9:50 PM
> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [ASKC] lasers?
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> Yeah, and John Ashcroft quit speaking in tongues after he became the
> Attorney General.
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> Sorry Dick, I disagree with you on this one AND NO PUN INTENDED.  At least
> not until I can think of one.
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> Rick Henderson
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> From: "Dick Harshaw" <dwharshaw@...>
> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 11:12 AM
> Subject: RE: [ASKC] lasers?
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> > Methinks you guys are getting paranoid about the Patriot Act.  8^)
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> >     First they would "Register" all lasers. Then after a few months they
> > would "BAN" all lasers and make it a Federal Crime to have a laser in
your
> > possession unless it is in a laser "SAFE"  at a specified laser range
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> > nine months before you wanted to use it and pay for a Federal Oversite
> > Officer to Watch you use said laser. If you should come within 90
degrees
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Crime,
> > sentence to be served at a Federal Facility. Should a second offence
> occur,
> > the Death Penalty would be considered if the Oversite Officer noted any
> > malice during your use of the laser.
> >     Bumper stickers would be displayed that read, "Lasers don't PAINT,
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What's there to reconcile?  No law is perfect, not even the Patriot Act.
I'd rather err on the side of caution than let another 9/11 happen.  Problem
is, another 9/11 type of event probably WILL happen despite the Patriot Act
(or any other law or mis-law we dream up).

I fly a lot on my job and I don't like all the screening we go through, and
the idiotic way screeners do their jobs.  God forbid we should PROFILE in
this country and do it the right way.  But that's the way it is because a
democracy guarantees everyone the right to be an idiot too, including
screeners and stupid dads trying to impress their little girls with a green
laser.

Anyway, I digress.  Let's lighten up a little, folks.  This is an
astronomical society, not a political action committee.

Isn't it???


Dick H


-----Original Message-----
From: George Allen [mailto:geonjod@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 10:48 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com; ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ASKC] lasers?



Gosh dangit, Dick, how do you reconcile the parallels between the Enabling
Acts of 1933 and the USA PATRIOT ACT?  The 1933 act cancelled the
constitutional protections and so does the new act.  This is all at the whim
of the president to dispense with things like the 4th amendment.  We are
getting so used to being searched at the airport that  we won't object to
having our homes searched so that we will be safer.  You must be familiar
with what Ben Franklin said about trading freedom for safety.

This isn't really off-thread because we  enjoy the freedom to own lasers and
high powered optical stuff  and transport these things to distant and
obscure places like eclipse sites and the Okie-Tex shindig.  A lot of folks
would take a dim view of us watching USAF planes refuel all week, using huge
optics with cameras.  God forbid someone would hit one of those planes with
a laser.  Don't forget that in the belly of the supply plane there is a
person looking straight down, flying the gas boom. During the fueling
operation he has total control of the aircraft - he is the pilot for several
minutes and looking down!

Many legislators will pass bills just because they can then say they have
done SOMETHING about a perceived threat.  Never mind that it doesn't make
sense, it's better than doing nothing.  Therein lies the real paranoia...the
fear of not being re-elected!

George Allen

----- Original Message -----
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To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 1/6/2005 8:27:13 AM
Subject: RE: [ASKC] lasers?


Each to his own, Rick.  I respect the stand you (and the others) have on
this.  I don't agree with you, but that's what America is all about, isn't
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Dick H

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I wonder how muddy it will be with all the rain and snow we've just gotten though.

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Isn't this Saturday, the 8th, a date that some were considering going to the 
dark sky site? ... Any takers???  I'd consider it.
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Sounds great but Larry and I are going to St. Peters, MO> to have Christmas 
with his kids and grandkids.  SOOO we won't be there.   Have fun and don't get 
stuck in the snow or mud.

Karen R.


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Well, I for one always state my opinion but I won't in this case. ahem!!    
:)   !!!!  Karen  


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Yes it is very very purrddy.   I took a pic but it probably won't turn out 
good.  Last year my white burch bent over totally and didn't break.  This year 
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Wrong, there were three of us. We had no electrical power from about 5:00
a.m. to sometime Wednesday night after I went to bed. I didn't see the NOVA
program because my wife would not pedal the bicycle fast enough to keep the
TV on.
 


Clear skies,

Gary Pittman
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From: beany landreth [mailto:b_landreth@...] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 12:49 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] NOVA Tonight


No there were 2 of us. I got sidetracked by the
computer.
tim
--- David Young <dyoung8@...> wrote:

> You are the only person in the Kansas City area that
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Sometimes I wonder ;-)
  This is an astronomical society, not a political action committee.

  Isn't it???


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If it thaws it will be impassable.
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  Subject: Re: [ASKC] Butler site this Sat???


  I wonder how muddy it will be with all the rain and snow we've just gotten though.

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Forecast for Sat. Night is mostly clear, but it will be above freezing
during the day, so the path may be a quagmire.

Dick H


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If it thaws it will be impassable.
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  I wonder how muddy it will be with all the rain and snow we've just gotten
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If you get up a head of speed and get through the muddy patch onto the high ground you will probably be ok. I'd walk in first though unless you are driving something with tracks.
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  Forecast for Sat. Night is mostly clear, but it will be above freezing
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  Dick H


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  If it thaws it will be impassable.
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Uh.... do we still have the right to go onto the site after the Dec 31 lease expired?
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  Forecast for Sat. Night is mostly clear, but it will be above freezing
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  If it thaws it will be impassable.
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Now there are only two again because I watched it
lastnight, AND I got it on tape too.
so there
tim
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> Wrong, there were three of us. We had no electrical
> power from about 5:00
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> No there were 2 of us. I got sidetracked by the
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I went out to Powell and cleared the ice from the tracks and the dome base
and also enough ice off the Internet antenna to get the internet working
slowly.  The computer for the Scope was cold and didn't want to work so I
opened the doors to the classroom and into the tool closet and it eventually
decided to start and work.

I suggest (DY agrees) that we might leave the inside door to the hallway and
the tool closet open to allow a little heat to keep the computer from
getting "frozen" during the super cold days ahead.

The lock on the gate was frozen and did thaw out with a little heat but now
it will not latch.  Needs lubrication or a new lock maybe.  I had to leave
it in place on the gate but not locked this evening.  We will work on it
later tonight if it clears up.


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Mike, was that ice on the DOME doors,or ice on the DAMN doors. 

     Larry G

mikekansascity@... wrote:I told him it was frozen after he said the schools were out and it wouldn't 
be a good idea.  It took me 30 minutes just to get my car door open yesterday.  
The last time we had ice (November?) I was down there 2 days after the ice 
with temps in the 40's and ice still had to be broken to open the doom doors.  
We both said that the temps were forecasted to remain below freezing and he 
said it would be better to postpone.  He said he was going to contact David Young 
and reschedule.  I also told him if things changed, we could go ahead and 
have it.  
With the doom sticking, as it has some lately, and the ice - it seemed the 
best move to go with his suggestion to reschedule.  No, I did not go down there 
and see if it was frozen.  The horizontal bars that the 2 doors slide on were 
the ones iced over last time.
Let me know of any suggestions or procedures that would have helped out.
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David, put me down for Barstow, tenetave, depending on Sharon Sergury.?
 
Larry G

David Young <dyoung8@...> wrote:
How about it folks? Anyone want to step up for this one? We can provide a
StarLab and some telescopes?

>I'm  planning a Science Night for Barstow on March 3rd from 6-8pm.at
> Barstow located at 11511 State Line Road in KCMO. We will serve the
> presenters dinner from 5:15-6pm when the event starts.
>
> The focus is for 5th -8th grade students.  In the past, as you recall, I
was
> gearing for 1-6th graders for Science Nights. It should be more
interesting
> with older kids. This is Barstow's first event like this.
>
> Can you and your friends help us out that evening?  If the weather is not
> appropriate we would still like you to show us how telescopes work or
> perhaps something listed in the email for JTTU below.The portable
> planetarium?
>
> What do you think?  Do you have the time and resources?
> Diana Abitz
> 913-649-9217
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> > Science City's StarLab portable planetariums as well as multiple
> > telescopes.
> > We also have a several solar prominence telescopes and several white
light
> > solar filter scopes. We have some nice equipment and people to
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The comet will be near 3.3 mag which may be its maximum 
equal to the   brightness of Megrez, the star that joins the handle with the 
bowl of the Big Dipper.

So if you get a clear night soon go out and see it. If there is a clear night 
open and people will be out at Powell and who want to have a look, please 
alert the listserve. I would like to come down and see it in a dark sky.
Thanks.

Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), 
member,   ASKC-Astronomical Society of Kansas City,
Olathe, KS. USA,   
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For 3 Mar 05, KC, MO, http://aa.usno.navy.mil/ sez:

sunset, 6:13 PM CST; end civil twilight, 6:40 PM CST
no Moon in sky that evening (last quarter)

http://www.fourmilab.ch/yoursky/ shows:

Mercury still 7� above western horizon at 7 PM
M42 nearly on the meridian
Double Cluster in Perseus high in the NNW
Saturn high in the ENE

Yeah, I'm in.

--- In ASKC@...m, "David Young" <dyoung8@k...> wrote:
> How about it folks? Anyone want to step up for this one? We can 
provide a
> StarLab and some telescopes?
> 
> >I'm  planning a Science Night for Barstow on March 3rd from 6-
8pm.at
> > Barstow located at 11511 State Line Road in KCMO. We will serve 
the
> > presenters dinner from 5:15-6pm when the event starts.
> >
> > The focus is for 5th -8th grade students.  In the past, as you 
recall, I
> was
> > gearing for 1-6th graders for Science Nights. It should be more
> interesting
> > with older kids. This is Barstow's first event like this.
> >
> > Can you and your friends help us out that evening?  If the 
weather is not
> > appropriate we would still like you to show us how telescopes 
work or
> > perhaps something listed in the email for JTTU below.The portable
> > planetarium?
> >
> > What do you think?  Do you have the time and resources?
> > Diana Abitz
> > 913-649-9217
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "David Young" <dyoung8@k...>
> > To: "Laura Olinger" <lolinger@b...>; "Gary Andersen"
> > <gander@k...>; <mcjckj@a...>; <aatkison@b...>;
> > <kryan@b...>; <mhall@b...>;
> > <mnesbitt@b...>; <mjohnson@f...>;
> > <djabitz@k...>; <vanleuvanc@m...>;
> > <Dan.Lumley@l...>; <David.Beier@l...>;
> > <marybillingsly@s...>; <Nolahoffman@s...>;
> <sharronspence@s...>;
> > <eceule@u...>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 10:53 AM
> > Subject: Re: FW: JTTU Family Science Date
> >
> >
> > > Please keep in mind that the Astronomical Society has access to 
both of
> > > Science City's StarLab portable planetariums as well as multiple
> > > telescopes.
> > > We also have a several solar prominence telescopes and several 
white
> light
> > > solar filter scopes. We have some nice equipment and people to
> demonstrate
> > > it. Please let us know if we can help out with a star party at 
our
> > > observatory or at another location and I'll see what we can 
arrange.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >

You bet Eric. I was thinking about going down tonight when I got up to clear sky this morning. Then it clouded up. Rattss.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: KCStarguy@... 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 8:36 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] if it is clear see comet machholz


  The comet will be near 3.3 mag which may be its maximum 
  equal to the   brightness of Megrez, the star that joins the handle with the 
  bowl of the Big Dipper.

  So if you get a clear night soon go out and see it. If there is a clear night 
  open and people will be out at Powell and who want to have a look, please 
  alert the listserve. I would like to come down and see it in a dark sky.
  Thanks.

  Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), 
  member,   ASKC-Astronomical Society of Kansas City,
  Olathe, KS. USA,   
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Some of you may be faced with the possibility of ice in the shutter track at Powell over the next few months. Dick Trentman was able to use a small propane torch and a lot of chiping with a screwdriver to get it open today.

I have a "flame thrower" that runs on a propane bottle like the ones used in gas grills. Another name for it is a "satan torch" or weed burner. It will put out enough heat to make a solid steel drill collar glow red which is why I have it. Heating expands the tool joint so it can be unscrewed with a 48" pipe wrench and a 6 foot chain tong. It will sure as heck melt ice! Keep it in mind if you have a need to thaw something this winter.

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I guess we are political. We acted against the MX Bike park. We acted in
favor of keeping a Planetarium in KC.
Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
Randy
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To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 5:20 PM
Subject: Re: [ASKC] lasers?


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Our original lease arrangement with Junior ended on December 31st.   However, 
I will try and contact him tomorrow morning to get permission for  this month.
By the way, the BC National Bank has officially approved our loan.  
And I am working with UMB the trustee of the MR Hudson trust about the  
easement.
Tim Kristl
 
 
 
In a message dated 1/6/05 5:59:46 PM Central Standard Time,  
dyoung8@... writes:


Uh.... do we still have the right to go onto the site after the Dec  31 lease 
expired?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Dick  Harshaw 
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, January  06, 2005 5:26 PM
Subject: RE: [ASKC] Butler site this  Sat???


Forecast for Sat. Night is mostly clear, but it will  be above freezing
during the day, so the path may be a  quagmire.

Dick H







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When watching the NOVA Mars rover presentation last night, in a couple of  
the scenes, Nagin Cox our Shawnee Mission North graduate was in the background  
in a couple of the shots.
Nagin was the primary speaker at the Okie-Tex star party this year.   She was 
the No 2 person in charge of the Mars rover/lander project.  She is  now the 
deputy on the Kepler project.  Outstanding speaker!!!   Received a standing 
ovation. 
Tim Kristl
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 1/6/05 6:17:11 PM Central Standard Time,  
b_landreth@... writes:


Now  there are only two again because I watched it
lastnight, AND I got it on  tape too.
so there
tim
--- Gary Pittman <gary_rp@...>  wrote:

> Wrong, there were three of us. We had no electrical
>  power from about 5:00
> a.m. to sometime Wednesday night after I went  to
> bed. I didn't see the NOVA
> program because my wife would  not pedal the bicycle
> fast enough to keep the
> TV  on.
>  
> 
> 
> Clear  skies,






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My concern is that from all this paranoia over green lasers is that one 
of the club members who uses them correctly gets fingered by mistake.  
If some jackass starts bothering planes in your area and your neighbor 
sees you pointing out stars with the laser pen, they probably wont 
understand what you are doing and send in a tip that you are doing odd 
things with green lasers at night.  It might turn into an expensive 
proposition if you had to defend yourself in that kind of situation.  
At worst some overzealous official could bring down the full force of 
the Patriot Act down on you and you are locked away for years without a 
chance to contest the situation.

The patriot act makes me of the witch hunts.  It gives far to much 
power that is veiled in secrecy.  (I suppose I should deviate from my 
tinfoil-hat rant)

I would be interested if anyone does some tests to see if our lasers 
are a problem or if this is just media fluff.  I have heard that with 
lasers over 5mw it is illegal to point them into the sky without some 
kind of permit or official sanction.

As of the guy in the story.... it is a shame that people do stupid 
things but it seems inevitable.  People blow off fingers and accidently 
burn houses which has lead many states to ban fireworks.   I remember 
as a kid growing up that some kid always had to choke on a part from 
the coolest toys just before I had a chance to get one.  Heck, I used 
to be able to read my email easily before some jerk invented spam. I 
hope the laser guy, it sounds like he was more ignorant than malicious, 
  I hope has to pay a $500 fine and that he can serve as the poster 
child for using a pointer responsibly.

-James Pageau

On Jan 6, 2005, at 10:40 AM, Rick Henderson wrote:

> No problem, Dick.� It's nice to see that people actually remember that 
> being
>  able to express one's differences without going bonkers was one of the
>  founding strengths of this country.
>
>  Cool beans and now back to building my gaziga-watt green/blue]plaid 
> laser.
>  Switching colors ought to keep them ALL confused...
>
>  Bwahahahahahahahahahaha!
>
>  Rick Henderson
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: "Dick Harshaw" <dwharshaw@...>
>  To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
>  Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 8:27 AM
>  Subject: RE: [ASKC] lasers?
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>  >
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> have on
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> about, isn't
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>  > -----Original Message-----
>  > From: Rick Henderson [mailto:rhenderson1@...]
>  > Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 9:50 PM
>  > To: ASKC@...m
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>  > Yeah, and John Ashcroft quit speaking in tongues after he became the
>  > Attorney General.
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>  > Sorry Dick, I disagree with you on this one AND NO PUN INTENDED.� 
> At least
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>  > Rick Henderson
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>  > From: "Dick Harshaw" <dwharshaw@kc.rr.com>
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>  > Subject: RE: [ASKC] lasers?
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>  >
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>  > > Methinks you guys are getting paranoid about the Patriot Act.� 8^)
>  > >
>  > > Dick H
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > -----Original Message-----
>  > > From: Randy [mailto:randythm@...]
>  > > Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 11:07 AM
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>  > >
>  > >
>  > >���� First they would "Register" all lasers. Then after a few 
> months they
>  > > would "BAN" all lasers and make it a Federal Crime to have a 
> laser in
>  your
>  > > possession unless it is in a laser "SAFE"� at a specified laser 
> range
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> You
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> at least
>  > > nine months before you wanted to use it and pay for a Federal 
> Oversite
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>  degrees
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>  > > sentence to be served at a Federal Facility. Should a second 
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>  > >���� Bumper stickers would be displayed that read, "Lasers don't 
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That sounds pretty cold to have your dome frozen.  Be Careful !!  k.


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Since this idiot decided to breed, I hope his stupidity isn't' handed
down.  Maybe we should let him drive near the edge of the Royal Gorge
and hit him with several lasers.

Joe

Don't forget the hammer, it did a great job of cracking the ice loose.

The wireless Internet is getting very inconsistent.  We had a lot of trouble
tonight and when we pinged the router it "failed" 85 to 95 percent of the
time.  I wonder if a new router is in order?  Any ideas?

Dick T

-----Original Message-----
From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 8:56 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Re:ice


Some of you may be faced with the possibility of ice in the shutter track at
Powell over the next few months. Dick Trentman was able to use a small
propane torch and a lot of chiping with a screwdriver to get it open today.

I have a "flame thrower" that runs on a propane bottle like the ones used in
gas grills. Another name for it is a "satan torch" or weed burner. It will
put out enough heat to make a solid steel drill collar glow red which is why
I have it. Heating expands the tool joint so it can be unscrewed with a 48"
pipe wrench and a 6 foot chain tong. It will sure as heck melt ice! Keep it
in mind if you have a need to thaw something this winter.

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Tim -- she has come to KC and spoke to us at a general meeting.   Did you
not see her then?  

BTW -- she graduated from SM East.   :-)

     Jackie Beucher
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-----Original Message-----
From: TKristl100@... [mailto:TKristl100@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 9:33 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] NOVA Tonight



 
When watching the NOVA Mars rover presentation last night, in a couple of  
the scenes, Nagin Cox our Shawnee Mission North graduate was in the
background  
in a couple of the shots.
Nagin was the primary speaker at the Okie-Tex star party this year.   She
was 
the No 2 person in charge of the Mars rover/lander project.  She is  now the

deputy on the Kepler project.  Outstanding speaker!!!   Received a standing 
ovation. 
Tim Kristl
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 1/6/05 6:17:11 PM Central Standard Time,  
b_landreth@... writes:


Now  there are only two again because I watched it
lastnight, AND I got it on  tape too.
so there
tim
--- Gary Pittman <gary_rp@...>  wrote:

> Wrong, there were three of us. We had no electrical
>  power from about 5:00
> a.m. to sometime Wednesday night after I went  to
> bed. I didn't see the NOVA
> program because my wife would  not pedal the bicycle
> fast enough to keep the
> TV  on.
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> 
> Clear  skies,






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-----Original Message-----
From: Dick Harshaw [mailto:dwharshaw@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 5:26 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ASKC] Butler site this Sat???



Forecast for Sat. Night is mostly clear, but it will be above freezing
during the day, so the path may be a quagmire.

Dick H


-----Original Message-----
From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 5:21 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Butler site this Sat???



If it thaws it will be impassable.
  ----- Original Message -----
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  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 2:10 PM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] Butler site this Sat???


  I wonder how muddy it will be with all the rain and snow we've just gotten
though.

  -------------- Original message --------------
  Isn't this Saturday, the 8th, a date that some were considering going to
the
  dark sky site? ... Any takers???  I'd consider it.
  Mike Sterling


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I think Tim was going to ask "JR" if we could use the land this weekend. 

 

Till then we do not have the right to go onto the site.

 

 

 

 

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From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...] 
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 3:57 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Butler site this Sat???

 

Uh.... do we still have the right to go onto the site after the Dec 31 lease
expired?
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Dick Harshaw 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 5:26 PM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] Butler site this Sat???


  Forecast for Sat. Night is mostly clear, but it will be above freezing
  during the day, so the path may be a quagmire.

  Dick H


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  From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
  Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 5:21 PM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] Butler site this Sat???



  If it thaws it will be impassable.
    ----- Original Message -----
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    To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 2:10 PM
    Subject: Re: [ASKC] Butler site this Sat???


    I wonder how muddy it will be with all the rain and snow we've just
gotten
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The February issue of Discover has several interesting reads. You can find out just what the heck a Bose-Einstein condensate is and who Bose was. An article titled "Testing Darwin" is about computer program called Adiva that simulates evolution. You can download it for free if you want to play. Another article talks about the Orion project to use nuclear bomb detonations to power interplanetary rockets. Lario and Nick might like to read "The Super Bowl of Smart" about the robotics competition. My favorite was "Earth Without People" on what would happen if people suddenly disappeared. How long would it take for the cities and bridges to crumble and the land and sea to recover? Did you know Hermann Goring was a nature fanatic and saved the pristine Bialowieza Forest? The magazine close out with a diagram of Cassini's tour of Saturn. Best issue for months!


So many books, so little time.

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I have a school science night at Brookwood School (3411 W 103rd). They will have the SM school district's StarLab and need someone to run it. They would also like to have one or two telescopes or binoculars to observe Machholz.

Anyone interested in helping out?

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A date would be nice huh? Brookwood school on January 13 at 6:00.

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It's not the cold so much as the ice when we have sleet. It collects in the rail the lower shutter doors slide on. It takes some determined chipping and melting to get them open if it stays below freezing for a while.
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When is it?

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-----Original Message-----
From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 12:06 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] science night



I have a school science night at Brookwood School (3411 W 103rd). They will
have the SM school district's StarLab and need someone to run it. They would
also like to have one or two telescopes or binoculars to observe Machholz.

Anyone interested in helping out?

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Folks, 

We need a nice wideangle color shot of the Beehive (M44) open cluster for the planetarium program...anyone have one that we can use?

A 35mm shot with a 135mm to 200mm lens would be about right. 

Dave

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    A few years ago some of us went up to the SAC Museum west of Omaha Neb.,
where she spoke about her involvement with the Mars Rover Project. She is a
good speaker.
Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
Randy
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To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
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Subject: RE: [ASKC] NOVA Tonight


>
> Tim -- she has come to KC and spoke to us at a general meeting.   Did you
> not see her then?
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> BTW -- she graduated from SM East.   :-)
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>      Jackie Beucher
> Sales - EMJ - Kansas City
>      Ph: 816-483-4140
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: TKristl100@... [mailto:TKristl100@...]
> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 9:33 PM
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> When watching the NOVA Mars rover presentation last night, in a couple of
> the scenes, Nagin Cox our Shawnee Mission North graduate was in the
> background
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> Nagin was the primary speaker at the Okie-Tex star party this year.   She
> was
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> --- Gary Pittman <gary_rp@...>  wrote:
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We need a few photos of Powell for the Reflector magazine. If you would like to submit a photo to be published please bring it to the board of director's meeting next Thursday or e-mail to me, or post it in the file area on Yahoo.

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Did I understand that someone did record this program?  If so I would pay
them to make a copy of it.

D T

-----Original Message-----
From: Randy [mailto:randythm@...]
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 1:09 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] NOVA Tonight


    A few years ago some of us went up to the SAC Museum west of Omaha Neb.,
where she spoke about her involvement with the Mars Rover Project. She is a
good speaker.
Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
Randy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Beucher, Jackie" <JBeucher@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 7:06 AM
Subject: RE: [ASKC] NOVA Tonight


>
> Tim -- she has come to KC and spoke to us at a general meeting.   Did you
> not see her then?
>
> BTW -- she graduated from SM East.   :-)
>
>      Jackie Beucher
> Sales - EMJ - Kansas City
>      Ph: 816-483-4140
>   Toll free: 800-821-2500
>      fax: 816-241-3677
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TKristl100@... [mailto:TKristl100@...]
> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 9:33 PM
> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [ASKC] NOVA Tonight
>
>
>
>
> When watching the NOVA Mars rover presentation last night, in a couple of
> the scenes, Nagin Cox our Shawnee Mission North graduate was in the
> background
> in a couple of the shots.
> Nagin was the primary speaker at the Okie-Tex star party this year.   She
> was
> the No 2 person in charge of the Mars rover/lander project.  She is  now
the
>
> deputy on the Kepler project.  Outstanding speaker!!!   Received a
standing
> ovation.
> Tim Kristl
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 1/6/05 6:17:11 PM Central Standard Time,
> b_landreth@... writes:
>
>
> Now  there are only two again because I watched it
> lastnight, AND I got it on  tape too.
> so there
> tim
> --- Gary Pittman <gary_rp@...>  wrote:
>
> > Wrong, there were three of us. We had no electrical
> >  power from about 5:00
> > a.m. to sometime Wednesday night after I went  to
> > bed. I didn't see the NOVA
> > program because my wife would  not pedal the bicycle
> > fast enough to keep the
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I did, Dick.   And if you want to come by and show me how to use my
brand-new DVD recorder, you can have a copy!

     Jackie Beucher
Sales - EMJ - Kansas City
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-----Original Message-----
From: D. Trentman [mailto:dtrent@...]
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 1:31 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
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Did I understand that someone did record this program?  If so I would pay
them to make a copy of it.

D T

-----Original Message-----
From: Randy [mailto:randythm@...]
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 1:09 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] NOVA Tonight


    A few years ago some of us went up to the SAC Museum west of Omaha Neb.,
where she spoke about her involvement with the Mars Rover Project. She is a
good speaker.
Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
Randy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Beucher, Jackie" <JBeucher@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 7:06 AM
Subject: RE: [ASKC] NOVA Tonight


>
> Tim -- she has come to KC and spoke to us at a general meeting.   Did you
> not see her then?
>
> BTW -- she graduated from SM East.   :-)
>
>      Jackie Beucher
> Sales - EMJ - Kansas City
>      Ph: 816-483-4140
>   Toll free: 800-821-2500
>      fax: 816-241-3677
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TKristl100@... [mailto:TKristl100@...]
> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 9:33 PM
> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [ASKC] NOVA Tonight
>
>
>
>
> When watching the NOVA Mars rover presentation last night, in a couple of
> the scenes, Nagin Cox our Shawnee Mission North graduate was in the
> background
> in a couple of the shots.
> Nagin was the primary speaker at the Okie-Tex star party this year.   She
> was
> the No 2 person in charge of the Mars rover/lander project.  She is  now
the
>
> deputy on the Kepler project.  Outstanding speaker!!!   Received a
standing
> ovation.
> Tim Kristl
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 1/6/05 6:17:11 PM Central Standard Time,
> b_landreth@... writes:
>
>
> Now  there are only two again because I watched it
> lastnight, AND I got it on  tape too.
> so there
> tim
> --- Gary Pittman <gary_rp@...>  wrote:
>
> > Wrong, there were three of us. We had no electrical
> >  power from about 5:00
> > a.m. to sometime Wednesday night after I went  to
> > bed. I didn't see the NOVA
> > program because my wife would  not pedal the bicycle
> > fast enough to keep the
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Dick Harshaw can check the newly scanned KC slide library!  (I think the
section on star clusters is done.)

     Jackie Beucher
Sales - EMJ - Kansas City
     Ph: 816-483-4140
  Toll free: 800-821-2500
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-----Original Message-----
From: David Hudgins [mailto:dhudgins@...]
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 12:44 PM
To: ASKC Club
Subject: [ASKC] Gotta nice Beehive pic?



Folks, 

We need a nice wideangle color shot of the Beehive (M44) open cluster for
the planetarium program...anyone have one that we can use?

A 35mm shot with a 135mm to 200mm lens would be about right. 

Dave

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I know this is a dumb question but what is MACHHOLZ ????   


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We can use the dark sky site if we want to.
I spoke to Junior Wood today and he said that we could use the property any
time we wanted.  He said that it was frozen now, but would be very soft if
it thawed.

Tim Kristl

Do we have the right to include it in a commercial program?
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Beucher, Jackie 
  To: 'ASKC@yahoogroups.com' 
  Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 3:12 PM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] Gotta nice Beehive pic?


  Dick Harshaw can check the newly scanned KC slide library!  (I think the
  section on star clusters is done.)

       Jackie Beucher
  Sales - EMJ - Kansas City
       Ph: 816-483-4140
    Toll free: 800-821-2500
       fax: 816-241-3677


  -----Original Message-----
  From: David Hudgins [mailto:dhudgins@...]
  Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 12:44 PM
  To: ASKC Club
  Subject: [ASKC] Gotta nice Beehive pic?



  Folks, 

  We need a nice wideangle color shot of the Beehive (M44) open cluster for
  the planetarium program...anyone have one that we can use?

  A 35mm shot with a 135mm to 200mm lens would be about right. 

  Dave

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That fuzzy ball of dust and ice moving north from Taurus. It's a nice comet you can see naked eye from a dark area and easy to spot with small binocs from the city.
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It would depend on the slide.  

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-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 4:25 PM
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Do we have the right to include it in a commercial program?
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Beucher, Jackie 
  To: 'ASKC@yahoogroups.com' 
  Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 3:12 PM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] Gotta nice Beehive pic?


  Dick Harshaw can check the newly scanned KC slide library!  (I think the
  section on star clusters is done.)

       Jackie Beucher
  Sales - EMJ - Kansas City
       Ph: 816-483-4140
    Toll free: 800-821-2500
       fax: 816-241-3677


  -----Original Message-----
  From: David Hudgins [mailto:dhudgins@...]
  Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 12:44 PM
  To: ASKC Club
  Subject: [ASKC] Gotta nice Beehive pic?



  Folks, 

  We need a nice wideangle color shot of the Beehive (M44) open cluster for
  the planetarium program...anyone have one that we can use?

  A 35mm shot with a 135mm to 200mm lens would be about right. 

  Dave

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HOW CAN A PERSON EVER SEE IT.???  I HAVEN'T SEEN A CLEAR SKY FOR WEEKS.   
KAREN


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It's also the name of the individual, Donald Machholz, that discovered the comet back in August.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 4:26 PM
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That fuzzy ball of dust and ice moving north from Taurus. It's a nice comet you can see naked eye from a dark area and easy to spot with small binocs from the city.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Karlar7@... 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
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Haven't you bought one of the new Orion X-Ray 16 x 80 binocs?    I got mine
last week, and will use them tonight!

     Jackie Beucher
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HOW CAN A PERSON EVER SEE IT.???  I HAVEN'T SEEN A CLEAR SKY FOR WEEKS.   
KAREN


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So that's why we had another week of clouds.    Jackie .!.!.!
Gary Martin

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Beucher, Jackie" <JBeucher@e...> wrote:
> Haven't you bought one of the new Orion X-Ray 16 x 80 binocs?    I 
got mine
> last week, and will use them tonight!
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>      Jackie Beucher
> Sales - EMJ - Kansas City
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>   Toll free: 800-821-2500
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> From: Karlar7@a... [mailto:Karlar7@a...]
> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 4:48 PM
> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [ASKC] science night
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WEEKS.   
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Dave,

I know I have imaged it at some point ... I don't remember when or know how NICE mine are.  I'll check when I get home on what I have.

I assume you want an image with no copyright restrictions attached, and if we still don't have any by Saturday night, I'll take some color images of M44 with a 50mm lens on my CCD camera.

-Dave Dembinski



"David Hudgins" <dhudgins@...> wrote:

>Folks, 
>
>We need a nice wideangle color shot of the Beehive (M44) open cluster for the planetarium program...anyone have one that we can use?
>
>A 35mm shot with a 135mm to 200mm lens would be about right. 
>
>Dave
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Darn I wish the sky would clear. 
Here is a great comet machholz animation on spaceweather 

http://spaceweather.com

The info says that is speeding towards the sun 
moving across the sky at a rate of 30 arcminutes (one full Moon diameter) in 
just 6 hours! wooowwwww

Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), 
member,   ASKC-Astronomical Society of Kansas City,
Olathe, KS. USA,   
JPL / NASA Solar System Ambassador, Kansas: 
Comets Award Coordinator, Astronomical League,
http://www.astroleague.org/al/obsclubs/obsclub.html, 
http://www.astroleague.org/al/obsclubs/comet/comet.htm,
http://members.aol.com/kcstarguy/satoriastronomy/cometaward.htm> or 
(send messages to the network at ) CometObserversAwardAL@yahoogroups.com;
Subscribe to have your name on the   listserve by sending email to   : 
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Heck, You wouldn't be able to see it anyways.... There's tooooooo much
AURORAE up in the sky right now!!!!!

rett




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Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 7:39 PM
Subject: [ASKC] great comet machholz animation on spaceweather


>
> Darn I wish the sky would clear.
> Here is a great comet machholz animation on spaceweather

Sky and telescope published a article on laser pointer safety along 
with some details of a beams typical characteristics at 1km.  BTW it 
also noted that the 5mw pointers are already banned in the UK.

http://skyandtelescope.com/observing/article_1429_1.asp

If it is, I do not have it.  Do you know who took the Star Clusters set for
scanning?

DH


-----Original Message-----
From: Beucher, Jackie [mailto:JBeucher@...]
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 3:12 PM
To: 'ASKC@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [ASKC] Gotta nice Beehive pic?



Dick Harshaw can check the newly scanned KC slide library!  (I think the
section on star clusters is done.)

     Jackie Beucher
Sales - EMJ - Kansas City
     Ph: 816-483-4140
  Toll free: 800-821-2500
     fax: 816-241-3677


-----Original Message-----
From: David Hudgins [mailto:dhudgins@...]
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 12:44 PM
To: ASKC Club
Subject: [ASKC] Gotta nice Beehive pic?



Folks,

We need a nice wideangle color shot of the Beehive (M44) open cluster for
the planetarium program...anyone have one that we can use?

A 35mm shot with a 135mm to 200mm lens would be about right.

Dave

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    I'll make you a copy.
Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
Randy
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To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 1:30 PM
Subject: RE: [ASKC] NOVA Tonight


>
> Did I understand that someone did record this program?  If so I would pay
> them to make a copy of it.
>
> D T
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Randy [mailto:randythm@...]
> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 1:09 PM
> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [ASKC] NOVA Tonight
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>
>     A few years ago some of us went up to the SAC Museum west of Omaha
Neb.,
> where she spoke about her involvement with the Mars Rover Project. She is
a
> good speaker.
> Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
> Randy
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Beucher, Jackie" <JBeucher@...>
> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 7:06 AM
> Subject: RE: [ASKC] NOVA Tonight
>
>
> >
> > Tim -- she has come to KC and spoke to us at a general meeting.   Did
you
> > not see her then?
> >
> > BTW -- she graduated from SM East.   :-)
> >
> >      Jackie Beucher
> > Sales - EMJ - Kansas City
> >      Ph: 816-483-4140
> >   Toll free: 800-821-2500
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: TKristl100@... [mailto:TKristl100@...]
> > Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 9:33 PM
> > To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [ASKC] NOVA Tonight
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> > When watching the NOVA Mars rover presentation last night, in a couple
of
> > the scenes, Nagin Cox our Shawnee Mission North graduate was in the
> > background
> > in a couple of the shots.
> > Nagin was the primary speaker at the Okie-Tex star party this year.
She
> > was
> > the No 2 person in charge of the Mars rover/lander project.  She is  now
> the
> >
> > deputy on the Kepler project.  Outstanding speaker!!!   Received a
> standing
> > ovation.
> > Tim Kristl
> >
> >
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> >
> > In a message dated 1/6/05 6:17:11 PM Central Standard Time,
> > b_landreth@... writes:
> >
> >
> > Now  there are only two again because I watched it
> > lastnight, AND I got it on  tape too.
> > so there
> > tim
> > --- Gary Pittman <gary_rp@...>  wrote:
> >
> > > Wrong, there were three of us. We had no electrical
> > >  power from about 5:00
> > > a.m. to sometime Wednesday night after I went  to
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> > > program because my wife would  not pedal the bicycle
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Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
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Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: [ASKC] science night


>
> That fuzzy ball of dust and ice moving north from Taurus. It's a nice
comet you can see naked eye from a dark area and easy to spot with small
binocs from the city.
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No, for some reason, I had a conflict and missed her then.  
Tim
 
 
 
In a message dated 1/7/05 7:45:30 AM Central Standard Time,  
JBeucher@... writes:


Tim  -- she has come to KC and spoke to us at a general meeting.   Did  you
not see her then?  

BTW -- she graduated from SM  East.   :-)

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Not I.  I have slides (all scanned, but not completely cataloged) of the
constellations, constellation star maps, earth satellite pictures,
miscellaneous planets/moons, and a whole bunch of galaxy shots, but no
clusters, beehive, killer bee or otherwise.

Rick Henderson

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dick Harshaw" <dwharshaw@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 9:30 PM
Subject: RE: [ASKC] Gotta nice Beehive pic?


>
> If it is, I do not have it.  Do you know who took the Star Clusters set
for
> scanning?
>
> DH
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Beucher, Jackie [mailto:JBeucher@...]
> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 3:12 PM
> To: 'ASKC@yahoogroups.com'
> Subject: RE: [ASKC] Gotta nice Beehive pic?
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> Dick Harshaw can check the newly scanned KC slide library!  (I think the
> section on star clusters is done.)
>
>      Jackie Beucher
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>   Toll free: 800-821-2500
>      fax: 816-241-3677
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Hudgins [mailto:dhudgins@...]
> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 12:44 PM
> To: ASKC Club
> Subject: [ASKC] Gotta nice Beehive pic?
>
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> Folks,
>
> We need a nice wideangle color shot of the Beehive (M44) open cluster for
> the planetarium program...anyone have one that we can use?
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> A 35mm shot with a 135mm to 200mm lens would be about right.
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YES, I WISH THE SKIES WOULD CLEAR UP OCCASIONALLY.   WHO KNOWS WHAT WE ARE 
GOING TO SEE ONCE THEY CLEAR !!!!   THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING VISIBLE THAT'S 
UNEXPECTED.  SOMETHING NICE AND EXCITING JUST NOT DESTRUCTIVE.  :)  I'VE FORGOTTEN 
EVERYTHING THAT I HAD LEARNED WHICH WASN'T THAT MUCH BECAUSE I HAVE A SUCH A 
SHORT ATTENTION SPAN.  OR IS THAT JUST A ROTTEN MEMORY?   COULDN'T BE BECAUSE 
I AM GETTING READY FOR ANOTHER B/DAY?  NAW !!!!   

NITE NITE., KAREN R.


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In a message dated 1/7/2005 7:40:19 PM Central Standard Time, 
KCStarguy@... writes:
http://spaceweather.com
how long will it speed towards the sun?   karen r.


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That's cool.   I hope I get to see it before it leaves so far that it's outta 
sight.   Its after two AM.   I have already turned into a pumpkin or 
something weird !!   ooooowwwooo

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz  k.r.  


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I am not sure what they are called Jackie.   Larry knows but he's sawing 
logs.  He's so tired because he was fighting snow.  I think the snow won, more or 
less.  :>)

I guess I should try to learn more about what I have.  I do know they are 
good, very good.
I think they are like yours.   More about it after I get back from St. Louis. 
  I am going to take them with me just in case the clouds clear away.   


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I saw a killer mosquito at my scope one night.  Does that count?

DH


-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Henderson [mailto:rhenderson1@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 12:41 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Gotta nice Beehive pic?



Not I.  I have slides (all scanned, but not completely cataloged) of the
constellations, constellation star maps, earth satellite pictures,
miscellaneous planets/moons, and a whole bunch of galaxy shots, but no
clusters, beehive, killer bee or otherwise.

Rick Henderson

What? Does this mean clear skies are coming our way??? 

Dave, I really appreciate your offer to help. But I wonder if a ccd image will work for this particular application. Because the image will be blown up to huge proportions on the planetarium screen. I really need a fine grained 35mm image I'm afraid. I may well need other images later...but let's sit tight for now, I'm pretty sure that i can come up with a film shot from somewhere in the next few days.

I'm just dying to image the comet...but does not look good for the next several days. Dave 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: DembinskiD@... 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 5:13 PM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] Gotta nice Beehive pic?


  Dave,

  I know I have imaged it at some point ... I don't remember when or know how NICE mine are.  I'll check when I get home on what I have.

  I assume you want an image with no copyright restrictions attached, and if we still don't have any by Saturday night, I'll take some color images of M44 with a 50mm lens on my CCD camera.

  -Dave Dembinski



  "David Hudgins" <dhudgins@...> wrote:

  >Folks, 
  >
  >We need a nice wideangle color shot of the Beehive (M44) open cluster for the planetarium program...anyone have one that we can use?
  >
  >A 35mm shot with a 135mm to 200mm lens would be about right. 
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Those clouds we had here in Shawnee would have made viewing difficult. The kp index didn't get past 7 so we probably didn't get aurora this fas south. It's interesting that we still get the occaisional burb even in solar minimum.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Rett Alonzi 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 9:00 PM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] great comet machholz animation on spaceweather


  Heck, You wouldn't be able to see it anyways.... There's tooooooo much
  AURORAE up in the sky right now!!!!!

  rett




  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: <KCStarguy@...>
  To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
  Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 7:39 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] great comet machholz animation on spaceweather


  >
  > Darn I wish the sky would clear.
  > Here is a great comet machholz animation on spaceweather










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Kansas City Clear Sky Clock shows cloud cover to be only 10% covered to clear 
...
The transparency shows 'below average' - and the explanation says, "The line, 
labeled Transparency, forecasts the transparency of the air. Here 
'transparency' means just what astronomers mean by the word: the total transparency of 
the atmosphere from ground to space. It's calculated from the total amount of 
water vapor in the air. Above average transparency is necessary for good 
observation of low contrast objects like galaxies and nebulae. However, open clusters 
and planetary nebulae are quite observable in below average transparency. 
Large globulars and planets can be observed in poor transparency. 
A forecast color of white formally means that CMC didn't compute the 
transparency forecast because the cloud cover was over 30%. So it may be possible to 
observe during a white transparency forecast, but the real transparency is 
usually yucky. Look at the cloud forecast for the same time to see how much cloud 
there will be. CMC's text page explaining this forecast is here."
sooooo - does this mean if I set a scope on Saturn, the scope would show 
Saturn through the moisture/vapor in the air - even though I could not see it 
naked eye due to the moisture??? hmmmm
and .... when I look up right now - I would say we are totally covered with 
clouds --- but Sky Clock seems to imply: there are no clouds - just a lot of 
moisture/vapor - and that is why I Can't see the clouds - the gray sky I see is 
vapor/moisture (that isn't thick enough vapor to be a cloud yet?)
Do I have this figured out yet??? - looks cloudy to me  lol


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It lools like crud until tomorrow evening. Then we will have average transparency under clear sky and mud. Doesn't look good for Butler but there might be some decent veiwing at Powell or some other semi-dark location.

Anybody up for a comet viewing?
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: mikekansascity@... 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 11:02 AM
  Subject: [ASKC] Kansas City Clear Sky Clock ???


  Kansas City Clear Sky Clock shows cloud cover to be only 10% covered to clear 
  ...
  The transparency shows 'below average' - and the explanation says, "The line, 
  labeled Transparency, forecasts the transparency of the air. Here 
  'transparency' means just what astronomers mean by the word: the total transparency of 
  the atmosphere from ground to space. It's calculated from the total amount of 
  water vapor in the air. Above average transparency is necessary for good 
  observation of low contrast objects like galaxies and nebulae. However, open clusters 
  and planetary nebulae are quite observable in below average transparency. 
  Large globulars and planets can be observed in poor transparency. 
  A forecast color of white formally means that CMC didn't compute the 
  transparency forecast because the cloud cover was over 30%. So it may be possible to 
  observe during a white transparency forecast, but the real transparency is 
  usually yucky. Look at the cloud forecast for the same time to see how much cloud 
  there will be. CMC's text page explaining this forecast is here."
  sooooo - does this mean if I set a scope on Saturn, the scope would show 
  Saturn through the moisture/vapor in the air - even though I could not see it 
  naked eye due to the moisture??? hmmmm
  and .... when I look up right now - I would say we are totally covered with 
  clouds --- but Sky Clock seems to imply: there are no clouds - just a lot of 
  moisture/vapor - and that is why I Can't see the clouds - the gray sky I see is 
  vapor/moisture (that isn't thick enough vapor to be a cloud yet?)
  Do I have this figured out yet??? - looks cloudy to me  lol


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I'll come down tonight if ya think we'll be able to see it...
Mike Sterling


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Not me, I have Nebula through Space Craft
there is an image of the beehive at the NOAO web site image gallery
http://www.noao.edu/image_gallery/

We may be able to use it if we give minimal credit

Kathy


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dick Harshaw" <dwharshaw@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 9:30 PM
Subject: RE: [ASKC] Gotta nice Beehive pic?


>
> If it is, I do not have it.  Do you know who took the Star Clusters set
for
> scanning?
>
> DH
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Beucher, Jackie [mailto:JBeucher@...]
> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 3:12 PM
> To: 'ASKC@yahoogroups.com'
> Subject: RE: [ASKC] Gotta nice Beehive pic?
>
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>
> Dick Harshaw can check the newly scanned KC slide library!  (I think the
> section on star clusters is done.)
>
>      Jackie Beucher

Comet Machholz at brightest now and soon rounding the sun. 

also

if you are a aol user

http://aolsvc.aol.com/research/nowyouknow/nyk1.adp
or try
http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/space/01/01/comet.buster.ap/index.html
goto either for a pic drawing of what approach looks like and cool video and
comet facts at
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/01/0105_050105_comet_facts.html


Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), 
member,   ASKC-Astronomical Society of Kansas City,
Olathe, KS. USA,   
JPL / NASA Solar System Ambassador, Kansas: 
Comets Award Coordinator, Astronomical League,
http://www.astroleague.org/al/obsclubs/obsclub.html, 
http://www.astroleague.org/al/obsclubs/comet/comet.htm,
http://members.aol.com/kcstarguy/satoriastronomy/cometaward.htm> or 
(send messages to the network at ) CometObserversAwardAL@yahoogroups.com;
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I was thinking tomorrow (Sunday). It looks totally overcast for tonight

  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 12:51 PM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] Kansas City Clear Sky Clock ???


  I'll come down tonight if ya think we'll be able to see it...
  Mike Sterling


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I use the digest form of the listserve. Many of you possibly only get the 
individual message. In regards to that, if people are coming down to Powell or 
doing some observing etc etc , can you say which "date" instead of "tonight." It 
is difficult sometimes to figure out which one is "tonight." It could be the 
day before or even the nexst day. Hope that makes sense.
This message is for today and night of 1/9 :)

Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), 
Olathe, KS. USA



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IF ITS CLEAR, I plan to go to Powell to view comet Machholz tonight. I will consider 50% cloud cover clear enough and head down about 6:00. Machholz should be near the Pleides and show as a big greenish ball in the giant binoculars.

I do not plan to use the telescope at this time so the rock hunters have free reign;-)

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oh yeah  thats sunday night eric
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  Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 11:05 AM
  Subject: [ASKC] Powell tonight


  IF ITS CLEAR, I plan to go to Powell to view comet Machholz tonight. I will consider 50% cloud cover clear enough and head down about 6:00. Machholz should be near the Pleides and show as a big greenish ball in the giant binoculars.

  I do not plan to use the telescope at this time so the rock hunters have free reign;-)

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I believe that if one were to send a message in the morning, "Sunday" and it
referred to "tonight" it would be logical that it means the same night as
the message was sent "Sunday".   In case there is some doubt as to the date,
I am sending this message "today" Sunday the 9th and I believe your server
uses the same date of Sunday and if not, please set your calendar date in
the computer to 1/9/2005 so you will be in the same ball park with the
Internet servers.  Good luck!  Oh, yes--. "tonight" will be Sunday night, as
it is still Sunday that I am sending this.

D T

-----Original Message-----
From: KCStarguy@... [mailto:KCStarguy@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 8:50 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] coming down tonight?


I use the digest form of the listserve. Many of you possibly only get the
individual message. In regards to that, if people are coming down to Powell
or
doing some observing etc etc , can you say which "date" instead of
"tonight." It
is difficult sometimes to figure out which one is "tonight." It could be the
day before or even the nexst day. Hope that makes sense.
This message is for today and night of 1/9 :)

Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...),
Olathe, KS. USA



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Hi, dick.   No, I don't....

-----Original Message-----
From: Dick Harshaw [mailto:dwharshaw@...]
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 9:30 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ASKC] Gotta nice Beehive pic?



If it is, I do not have it.  Do you know who took the Star Clusters set for
scanning?

DH


-----Original Message-----
From: Beucher, Jackie [mailto:JBeucher@...]
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 3:12 PM
To: 'ASKC@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [ASKC] Gotta nice Beehive pic?



Dick Harshaw can check the newly scanned KC slide library!  (I think the
section on star clusters is done.)

     Jackie Beucher
Sales - EMJ - Kansas City
     Ph: 816-483-4140
  Toll free: 800-821-2500
     fax: 816-241-3677


-----Original Message-----
From: David Hudgins [mailto:dhudgins@...]
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 12:44 PM
To: ASKC Club
Subject: [ASKC] Gotta nice Beehive pic?



Folks,

We need a nice wideangle color shot of the Beehive (M44) open cluster for
the planetarium program...anyone have one that we can use?

A 35mm shot with a 135mm to 200mm lens would be about right.

Dave

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Please read the description of the binoc's i "bought" again...

Saw the comet nicely from the ICSTARS ranch last night (Saturday)!   It was
nice and clear from 8 pm until I left at midnight...

Jackie

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Martin [mailto:birdtunabear@...]
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 4:56 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Re: science night




So that's why we had another week of clouds.    Jackie .!.!.!
Gary Martin

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Beucher, Jackie" <JBeucher@e...> wrote:
> Haven't you bought one of the new Orion X-Ray 16 x 80 binocs?    I
got mine
> last week, and will use them tonight!
>
>      Jackie Beucher
> Sales - EMJ - Kansas City
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> From: Karlar7@a... [mailto:Karlar7@a...]
> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 4:48 PM
> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [ASKC] science night
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> HOW CAN A PERSON EVER SEE IT.???  I HAVEN'T SEEN A CLEAR SKY FOR
WEEKS.
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Today is now gone, but we still have tonight and soon
it will be tommorrow and tommorrow will become
today...so will anyone be there then?...today...I mean
tommorrow? OK now I'm confused. What day was it?
I think I'll stay home.



--- "D. Trentman" <dtrent@...> wrote:

> 
> I believe that if one were to send a message in the
> morning, "Sunday" and it
> referred to "tonight" it would be logical that it
> means the same night as
> the message was sent "Sunday".   In case there is
> some doubt as to the date,
> I am sending this message "today" Sunday the 9th and
> I believe your server
> uses the same date of Sunday and if not, please set
> your calendar date in
> the computer to 1/9/2005 so you will be in the same
> ball park with the
> Internet servers.  Good luck!  Oh, yes--. "tonight"
> will be Sunday night, as
> it is still Sunday that I am sending this.
> 
> D T
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: KCStarguy@... [mailto:KCStarguy@...]
> Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 8:50 AM
> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [ASKC] coming down tonight?
> 
> 
> I use the digest form of the listserve. Many of you
> possibly only get the
> individual message. In regards to that, if people
> are coming down to Powell
> or
> doing some observing etc etc , can you say which
> "date" instead of
> "tonight." It
> is difficult sometimes to figure out which one is
> "tonight." It could be the
> day before or even the nexst day. Hope that makes
> sense.
> This message is for today and night of 1/9 :)
> 
> Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...),
> Olathe, KS. USA
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Just got back from Powell (Sunday January 9). Joe, Marcia and I observed comet Machholz just west of M-45 with the club's new 80 X 25 binoculars. The internet connection fired right up so ice on the antenna and in the trees was the likely problem.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: beany landreth 
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  Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 7:45 PM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] coming down tonight?


  Today is now gone, but we still have tonight and soon
  it will be tommorrow and tommorrow will become
  today...so will anyone be there then?...today...I mean
  tommorrow? OK now I'm confused. What day was it?
  I think I'll stay home.



  --- "D. Trentman" <dtrent@...> wrote:

  > 
  > I believe that if one were to send a message in the
  > morning, "Sunday" and it
  > referred to "tonight" it would be logical that it
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  > the message was sent "Sunday".   In case there is
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  > I am sending this message "today" Sunday the 9th and
  > I believe your server
  > uses the same date of Sunday and if not, please set
  > your calendar date in
  > the computer to 1/9/2005 so you will be in the same
  > ball park with the
  > Internet servers.  Good luck!  Oh, yes--. "tonight"
  > will be Sunday night, as
  > it is still Sunday that I am sending this.
  > 
  > D T
  > 
  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: KCStarguy@... [mailto:KCStarguy@...]
  > Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 8:50 AM
  > To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  > Subject: [ASKC] coming down tonight?
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Me too!!!!!!!

D T 

-----Original Message-----
From: beany landreth [mailto:b_landreth@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 7:46 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ASKC] coming down tonight?


Today is now gone, but we still have tonight and soon
it will be tommorrow and tommorrow will become
today...so will anyone be there then?...today...I mean
tommorrow? OK now I'm confused. What day was it?
I think I'll stay home.



--- "D. Trentman" <dtrent@...> wrote:

>
> I believe that if one were to send a message in the
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> referred to "tonight" it would be logical that it
> means the same night as
> the message was sent "Sunday".   In case there is
> some doubt as to the date,
> I am sending this message "today" Sunday the 9th and
> I believe your server
> uses the same date of Sunday and if not, please set
> your calendar date in
> the computer to 1/9/2005 so you will be in the same
> ball park with the
> Internet servers.  Good luck!  Oh, yes--. "tonight"
> will be Sunday night, as
> it is still Sunday that I am sending this.
>
> D T
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: KCStarguy@... [mailto:KCStarguy@...]
> Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 8:50 AM
> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [ASKC] coming down tonight?
>
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> are coming down to Powell
> or
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> "date" instead of
> "tonight." It
> is difficult sometimes to figure out which one is
> "tonight." It could be the
> day before or even the nexst day. Hope that makes
> sense.
> This message is for today and night of 1/9 :)
>
> Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...),
> Olathe, KS. USA
>
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You should have stuck around for awhile longer.  I fired up the computer at
8:30 and it worked fine for about 30 min then we started having extensive
delays on the connection.  The longer we are on line the more it seems to
act up.  Clouds moved back in so we gave up.

D T

-----Original Message-----
From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 8:36 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] coming down tonight?


Just got back from Powell (Sunday January 9). Joe, Marcia and I observed
comet Machholz just west of M-45 with the club's new 80 X 25 binoculars. The
internet connection fired right up so ice on the antenna and in the trees
was the likely problem.
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: beany landreth
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 7:45 PM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] coming down tonight?


  Today is now gone, but we still have tonight and soon
  it will be tommorrow and tommorrow will become
  today...so will anyone be there then?...today...I mean
  tommorrow? OK now I'm confused. What day was it?
  I think I'll stay home.



  --- "D. Trentman" <dtrent@...> wrote:

  >
  > I believe that if one were to send a message in the
  > morning, "Sunday" and it
  > referred to "tonight" it would be logical that it
  > means the same night as
  > the message was sent "Sunday".   In case there is
  > some doubt as to the date,
  > I am sending this message "today" Sunday the 9th and
  > I believe your server
  > uses the same date of Sunday and if not, please set
  > your calendar date in
  > the computer to 1/9/2005 so you will be in the same
  > ball park with the
  > Internet servers.  Good luck!  Oh, yes--. "tonight"
  > will be Sunday night, as
  > it is still Sunday that I am sending this.
  >
  > D T
  >
  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: KCStarguy@... [mailto:KCStarguy@...]
  > Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 8:50 AM
  > To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  > Subject: [ASKC] coming down tonight?
  >
  >
  > I use the digest form of the listserve. Many of you
  > possibly only get the
  > individual message. In regards to that, if people
  > are coming down to Powell
  > or
  > doing some observing etc etc , can you say which
  > "date" instead of
  > "tonight." It
  > is difficult sometimes to figure out which one is
  > "tonight." It could be the
  > day before or even the nexst day. Hope that makes
  > sense.
  > This message is for today and night of 1/9 :)
  >
  > Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...),
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80x25 binos?  isn't that throwing a bit too much power through a 25mm aperture?

hahahahahaha

yeah I know.......... 

-scott

-------------- Original message -------------- 
Just got back from Powell (Sunday January 9). Joe, Marcia and I observed comet Machholz just west of M-45 with the club's new 80 X 25 binoculars. The internet connection fired right up so ice on the antenna and in the trees was the likely problem.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: beany landreth 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 7:45 PM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] coming down tonight?


  Today is now gone, but we still have tonight and soon
  it will be tommorrow and tommorrow will become
  today...so will anyone be there then?...today...I mean
  tommorrow? OK now I'm confused. What day was it?
  I think I'll stay home.



  --- "D. Trentman" <dtrent@...> wrote:

  > 
  > I believe that if one were to send a message in the
  > morning, "Sunday" and it
  > referred to "tonight" it would be logical that it
  > means the same night as
  > the message was sent "Sunday".   In case there is
  > some doubt as to the date,
  > I am sending this message "today" Sunday the 9th and
  > I believe your server
  > uses the same date of Sunday and if not, please set
  > your calendar date in
  > the computer to 1/9/2005 so you will be in the same
  > ball park with the
  > Internet servers.  Good luck!  Oh, yes--. "tonight"
  > will be Sunday night, as
  > it is still Sunday that I am sending this.
  > 
  > D T
  > 
  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: KCStarguy@... [mailto:KCStarguy@...]
  > Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 8:50 AM
  > To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  > Subject: [ASKC] coming down tonight?
  > 
  > 
  > I use the digest form of the listserve. Many of you
  > possibly only get the
  > individual message. In regards to that, if people
  > are coming down to Powell
  > or
  > doing some observing etc etc , can you say which
  > "date" instead of
  > "tonight." It
  > is difficult sometimes to figure out which one is
  > "tonight." It could be the
  > day before or even the nexst day. Hope that makes
  > sense.
  > This message is for today and night of 1/9 :)
  > 
  > Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...),
  > Olathe, KS. USA
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To: dyoung8@... 
Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 9:12 PM
Subject: Hi


Hi Doug, 
I just wanted to touch base with you about our Math and Science Night on Jan. 18th.  As you know it starts at 6 and runs until 7:30.  Jane Hess is going to bring their Star Lab over in the afternoon so we can get it set up.  What time will you be there?  We are going to put it in the gym.  We will had out tickets and have a limited amount of kids come in at a time.  We are thinking of running 4 15 minutes sessions with down time between session.  I am hoping you might be in there to give the explanation.  If you can bring your other helpers they can assist you or they can be outside looking at stars with the kids.  I can send you a map if you would like.  Frank Rushton is very easy to find as it is between Mission and Rainbow on 43rd street.  Have a great week.  Keep in touch.
             Martha Hemer 

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We have a couple of volunteers and at least one telescope coming. I should be able to get there by 5:30 to make sure the StarLab is ready to go.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  To: dyoung8@... 
  Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 9:12 PM
  Subject: Hi


  Hi Doug, 
  I just wanted to touch base with you about our Math and Science Night on Jan. 18th.  As you know it starts at 6 and runs until 7:30.  Jane Hess is going to bring their Star Lab over in the afternoon so we can get it set up.  What time will you be there?  We are going to put it in the gym.  We will had out tickets and have a limited amount of kids come in at a time.  We are thinking of running 4 15 minutes sessions with down time between session.  I am hoping you might be in there to give the explanation.  If you can bring your other helpers they can assist you or they can be outside looking at stars with the kids.  I can send you a map if you would like.  Frank Rushton is very easy to find as it is between Mission and Rainbow on 43rd street.  Have a great week.  Keep in touch.
               Martha Hemer 

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Ok, so I'm a little lexdisic. Go take your medicine;-)
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: s.kranz1@... 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 10:46 PM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] coming down tonight?


  80x25 binos?  isn't that throwing a bit too much power through a 25mm aperture?

  hahahahahaha

  yeah I know.......... 

  -scott

  -------------- Original message -------------- 
  Just got back from Powell (Sunday January 9). Joe, Marcia and I observed comet Machholz just west of M-45 with the club's new 80 X 25 binoculars. The internet connection fired right up so ice on the antenna and in the trees was the likely problem.
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: beany landreth 
    To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
    Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 7:45 PM
    Subject: RE: [ASKC] coming down tonight?


    Today is now gone, but we still have tonight and soon
    it will be tommorrow and tommorrow will become
    today...so will anyone be there then?...today...I mean
    tommorrow? OK now I'm confused. What day was it?
    I think I'll stay home.



    --- "D. Trentman" <dtrent@...> wrote:

    > 
    > I believe that if one were to send a message in the
    > morning, "Sunday" and it
    > referred to "tonight" it would be logical that it
    > means the same night as
    > the message was sent "Sunday".   In case there is
    > some doubt as to the date,
    > I am sending this message "today" Sunday the 9th and
    > I believe your server
    > uses the same date of Sunday and if not, please set
    > your calendar date in
    > the computer to 1/9/2005 so you will be in the same
    > ball park with the
    > Internet servers.  Good luck!  Oh, yes--. "tonight"
    > will be Sunday night, as
    > it is still Sunday that I am sending this.
    > 
    > D T
    > 
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: KCStarguy@... [mailto:KCStarguy@...]
    > Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 8:50 AM
    > To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
    > Subject: [ASKC] coming down tonight?
    > 
    > 
    > I use the digest form of the listserve. Many of you
    > possibly only get the
    > individual message. In regards to that, if people
    > are coming down to Powell
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    > doing some observing etc etc , can you say which
    > "date" instead of
    > "tonight." It
    > is difficult sometimes to figure out which one is
    > "tonight." It could be the
    > day before or even the nexst day. Hope that makes
    > sense.
    > This message is for today and night of 1/9 :)
    > 
    > Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...),
    > Olathe, KS. USA
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I will be at Brookwood School Thursday night while some of you are at the board of director's meeting. I could use an extra person to show people the comet while I run the StarLab. I know I'm big enough to make two people but I haven't been able to split yet:-)

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And I thought I was confused.  ?? !!!!!!!!!!!!!!  :):):)  


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THIS IS MONDAY THE TENTH SO YOU ARE ALL WRONG !!!!!!!!!!  :>)


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but isn't it still tommorrow?



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> THIS IS MONDAY THE TENTH SO YOU ARE ALL WRONG
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Speaking of board meetings, isn't our ASKC Planetarium meeting this
Thursday, 6:00 pm, at Science City in the usual whatever-its-called room?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Rick Henderson

That's my understanding... Riss Room?  Downstairs, across from the
Planetarium.

Dick h


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Speaking of board meetings, isn't our ASKC Planetarium meeting this
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Yes, we have the planetarium meeting at 6 Thurs night.  However, it is  in a 
different room.  I believe it is in the Riss room, but will send out  an email 
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In a message dated 1/10/05 6:42:07 PM Central Standard Time,  
rhenderson1@... writes:

Speaking  of board meetings, isn't our ASKC Planetarium meeting this
Thursday, 6:00  pm, at Science City in the usual whatever-its-called room?

Inquiring  minds want to know.

Rick Henderson








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If the Riss room is the one Dean originaly suggested for the Christmas party it should be ok for a regular meeting. I think there were 12 chairs in there. It's  at the east end of the Station on the North side. No one at Union Station knows the name of the room so you better go with the room number! It's room 150. It took Joe and I a while to find it the first time.
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  Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 8:42 PM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] Planetarium Meeting?



  Yes, we have the planetarium meeting at 6 Thurs night.  However, it is  in a 
  different room.  I believe it is in the Riss room, but will send out  an email 
  tomorrow to the group with the agenda.
  Tim Kristl


  In a message dated 1/10/05 6:42:07 PM Central Standard Time,  
  rhenderson1@... writes:

  Speaking  of board meetings, isn't our ASKC Planetarium meeting this
  Thursday, 6:00  pm, at Science City in the usual whatever-its-called room?

  Inquiring  minds want to know.

  Rick Henderson








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It is now!... or is it... let's see after midnight on the night of Monday's
"tonight" then it must be tomorrow err uhh ... no, it's really today /
Tuesday "morning."  :)

D T

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From: beany landreth [mailto:b_landreth@...]
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 5:23 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] coming down tonight?


but isn't it still tommorrow?



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> THIS IS MONDAY THE TENTH SO YOU ARE ALL WRONG
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You can stop now

Just remember...

Today is yesterday's tomorrow, but tomorrow's yesterday.
Of course, yesterday it was "today", and tomorrow it
will be "today", too. It can get very confusing...

-JC


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> "tonight" then it must be tomorrow err uhh ... no, it's really 
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I will be at Brookwood school Thursday Jan 13 to operate the StarLab. The forecast indicates it will probably be mostly clear that evening. I could use one or two people to staff a pair of binoculars to show kids the comet. If you can help out please contact me asap. It's much more fun than those boring board meetings :-)

There is another school science night scheduled for Tuesday Jan 18. Several of you have indicated you will be there. I must attend a manditory continuing education seminar in beautiful Great Bend, Kansas Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday so I won't be able to attend. They are hoping for a couple of telescopes and binoculars as well as someone to operate the StarLab. Please contact me to verify you will be attending.

Thanks in advance folks.

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Ok, if the Planetarium meeting is in the Riss Room (150), where is the 
BofD meeting? The calendar says Paciolan room. Is this right, and if 
so, where is it?

Thanks, all....
M

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I believe that one follows the other in the Riss room
Tim Kristl
 
 
In a message dated 1/11/05 4:50:14 PM Central Standard Time,  
mryoung@... writes:


Ok,  if the Planetarium meeting is in the Riss Room (150), where is the 
BofD  meeting? The calendar says Paciolan room. Is this right, and if 
so, where  is it?

Thanks, all....
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Get your VCRs and DVDs ready.. On the Science Discovery Channel - 

 

Tonight @ 8pm - Bill Nye the science guy host "100 of the Greatest
Discoveries" Astronomy

And

Live - Touchdown on Saturn's Moon - Friday, Jan. 14, at 8 or 9 pm Live.

 

Go to 

http://science.discovery.com/ 

For more information.

 

..Bill Nye the science guy's brother/? cousin works next door to me and when
the family gets together look-out!

The company next door makes "Blaster friendly Products"  

Take a look at 

www.stemlock.com <http://www.stemlock.com/> 

 

 

D.Fox



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Folks:

It's rare to never, that I would make a broad statement to a private 
email, but I thought I should share this without exposing anyone.

For the most part the private message I received was, "why should we 
give our time and equipment without getting anything in return for 
the club."

My response to this individual was as follows.

"Not all returns are tangible.  As astronomers it is inherently our 
charge to share with the public, especially kids, our knowledge of 
astronomy.  Each child that we touch with good astronomy goes away 
with a better understanding.  There is a lot of bad astronomy to 
over come.  One of these kids might make the BIG break through some 
day in a scientific field and this contact with us might be that 
spark to spurred them on.  Keep in mind, that these science nights 
and school visits are advertisement for the ASKC and Powell 
Observatory.  We have made great progress in the local communities 
about astronomy, the ASKC and Powell Observatory. Yes, our members 
have other lives, but they usually step up and hit away.  I do not 
know if you have a scope or not.  Doesn't matter, helping hands are 
always welcomed.  I look forward to working with you at some of 
these functions.  If not for any other reason than the smile on 
their little faces.

Respectfully, 

Joe Wright
President"


That was my reply.  I do THANK each and everyone of you that give so 
much of your time and knowledge.  What a great gift to give: 
sharing!!!

I saw this on Obsession Telescope's e-group.Interesting!
Dan Johnson


Someone on my Astronomy club group posted this, so I figured I
repost it here for everyone--Howie:
HELLO EVERYONE:

I JUST RECEIVED THIS FROM JPL AND THOUGHT I WOULD PASS IT ALONG:

DAVID


Hello David,

I received this message today, and some of you who do CCD imaging
may be interested. If you have questions, the contact is at the
bottom of this email.

CALL FOR OBSERVATIONS: SATURN'S MOONS

Saturn reaches opposition on the night of January 13-14, 2005, which
is close to the time when the Cassini spacecraft's Huygens probe
should touch down on Titan. At every opposition the Sun, Earth, and
Saturn are nearly aligned in space, but this opposition is special.
An observer at Saturn would literally see Earth transit the disk of
the Sun -- something that has not happened since 1990 and won't take
place again until 2020.

While no one can be there to see the transit directly (and the Sun
is too bright for Cassini to image), the near-perfect alignment
gives Earth-based astronomers their only chance in many years to
truly measure the "opposition effect" -- a dramatic brightening
expected to occur in the Saturnian system as the solar phase angle
approaches zero. Measurements should reveal important clues to the
surface composition of such moons as Tethys, Dione, Rhea, and
Iapetus. (Mimas and Enceladus are probably too close to the rings to
be considered reasonable targets.)

Anne Verbiscer (Department of Astronomy, University of Virginia) and
Richard G. French (Department of Astronomy, Wellesley College) are
coordinating a NASA-funded, worldwide campaign to measure the
brightness of these moons as close as possible to the time of the
alignment. Ten ground-based observatories and the Hubble Space
Telescope are involved already, and they are seeking even wider
participation.

"We ask advanced amateurs with CCD-equipped telescopes to observe
this event," Verbiscer writes, "not only on the critical night of
January 13, 2005, but for two nights on either side of opposition,
weather permitting.

"I am most interested in obtaining visible-light (UBVRI) CCD images
whose exposure times are long enough to get usable photometry of the
brighter moons. With these long exposures Saturn and its rings will
be saturated, so we are not looking for 'pretty' CCD images of the
planet and rings. Almost any size telescope will be sufficient, but
the image scale should be such that a point source is recorded
across several pixels for adequate sampling. Scattered light from
Saturn and its rings will be the most significant complication, so a
telescope with clean optics, few elements, and minimal diffraction
will produce the best results.

"Since good photometry is our goal, multiple exposure times are
needed to make sure that each satellite, in turn, is not saturated
and not underexposed. At each exposure time several images should be
taken, both to improve statistics and to protect against
contamination from cosmic rays. Observations should alternate
between the Saturn system and a nearbycalibration field defined by
our project."

Those wishing to participate can find detailed instructions at
http://www.astro.virginia.edu/~av4n/SatOpp05.html

Please send any questions about observing Saturn at Opposition 2005
to verbiscer@v....



Jane Houston Jones
Senior Outreach Specialist, Cassini Program
JPL - 4800 Oak Grove Drive, MS 230-205
Pasadena, CA 91109
Phone - 818-393-6435
Fax - 818-393-4495
jane.h.jones@j...
http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov

On today's front page of the Wall Street Journal, near the bottom of the
"What's News" section, is this blurb:

"Galaxies occur in clumps 500 million light -years apart, astronomers found,
a pattern they think outward-emanating Big Bang sound waves set."

No link to any follow-up article, but nice little heads up for us astro
geeks.




Richard Harshaw
Stardeck Observatory
1817 NE 83rd Street
Kansas City, MO   64118
(816) 468-0929

"Predictions are hard to make, especially about the future."  -- Niels Bohr





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Maybe this is not news to my fellow "equipment nuts" in the club (Gil, David , etc), but I just got back from a conference where a Meade rep pointed out their brand new line of Ritchey-Chretien telescopes - in 10,12, 14, and 16" sizes. Really cool - but not cheap. 

See at http://www.meade.com/rcx400/

Dave H. 

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Is that a cable channel? I have Comcast and I don't get the Science
Discovery Channel. Or, is it the Discovery Channel?
Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
Randy
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Subject: [ASKC] What's on TV - Bill Nye - Live Touchdown on Saturn's Moon


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> Tonight @ 8pm - Bill Nye the science guy host "100 of the Greatest
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>
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> Go to
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> For more information.
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> ..Bill Nye the science guy's brother/? cousin works next door to me and
when
> the family gets together look-out!
>
> The company next door makes "Blaster friendly Products"
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     Jackie Beucher
Sales - EMJ - Kansas City
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  Toll free: 800-821-2500
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-----Original Message-----
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To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] What's on TV - Bill Nye - Live Touchdown on Saturn's
Moon



Is that a cable channel? I have Comcast and I don't get the Science
Discovery Channel. Or, is it the Discovery Channel?
Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
Randy
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Subject: [ASKC] What's on TV - Bill Nye - Live Touchdown on Saturn's Moon


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> Tonight @ 8pm - Bill Nye the science guy host "100 of the Greatest
> Discoveries" Astronomy
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> Go to
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> the family gets together look-out!
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That solves that question. I don't have the "upper tier" channels on our
Comcast Cable Service. I hope Someone will make a copy for the ASKC library.
Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
Randy
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To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 3:55 PM
Subject: RE: [ASKC] What's on TV - Bill Nye - Live Touchdown on Saturn's
Moon


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> Yes, it's cable, but its on the "upper tier"... beyond basic cable
> stations...
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>      Jackie Beucher
> Sales - EMJ - Kansas City
>      Ph: 816-483-4140
>   Toll free: 800-821-2500
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> Is that a cable channel? I have Comcast and I don't get the Science
> Discovery Channel. Or, is it the Discovery Channel?
> Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
> Randy
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I saw it advertised on the Discovery Science Channel.  223 here.
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  From: Randy Thompson 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 3:48 PM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] What's on TV - Bill Nye - Live Touchdown on Saturn's Moon


  Is that a cable channel? I have Comcast and I don't get the Science
  Discovery Channel. Or, is it the Discovery Channel?
  Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
  Randy
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  To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
  Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 11:22 AM
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  > Tonight @ 8pm - Bill Nye the science guy host "100 of the Greatest
  > Discoveries" Astronomy
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Also "Deep Impact" Lifted off today and is on its way.....

 

D.Fox

 

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From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 3:07 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] What's on TV - Bill Nye - Live Touchdown on Saturn's
Moon

 

I saw it advertised on the Discovery Science Channel.  223 here.
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  From: Randy Thompson 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 3:48 PM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] What's on TV - Bill Nye - Live Touchdown on Saturn's
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  Is that a cable channel? I have Comcast and I don't get the Science
  Discovery Channel. Or, is it the Discovery Channel?
  Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
  Randy
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  Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 11:22 AM
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It was on at 7pm, I just missed it, but... it will be on again at
10pm....
 
D.Fox

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To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
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Moon


Get your VCRs and DVDs ready.. On the Science Discovery Channel - 



Tonight @ 8pm - Bill Nye the science guy host "100 of the Greatest
Discoveries" Astronomy

And

Live - Touchdown on Saturn's Moon - Friday, Jan. 14, at 8 or 9 pm Live.



Go to 

http://science.discovery.com/ 

For more information.



..Bill Nye the science guy's brother/? cousin works next door to me and
when
the family gets together look-out!

The company next door makes "Blaster friendly Products"  

Take a look at 

www.stemlock.com <http://www.stemlock.com/> 





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I picked one up today, fat and flat little sucker.....

-----Original Message-----
From: Dick Harshaw [mailto:dwharshaw@...] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 3:22 PM
To: ASKC Egroup
Subject: [ASKC] Memory Sticks? We Don't Need No Stinking Memory Sticks!


Yo, all!

Randy Thompson just found 1 GB memory sticks (USB 2 types) at Office Max
for
$59.99.  ($40 off normal price)  Look for QuickDrive 1GB by Micro
Advantage.
Awesome!



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Anybody available to help?  I'll be covering a private party for a Scout 
group.  New members - even if you know nothing (as I did 2 + yrs ago), you'll be 
helpful ... and ... If the clouds act as predicted - you'll be able to see 
Saturn, Orion's Nebula, the moon, and a globular cluster on the 30"!  
Mike Sterling
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I'll help out on Jan 18.  Send details - whom will be the contacts for ASKC & 
the school?
Mike Sterling


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It's no wonder that the masses of people don't have a clue given the news they are fed.  A guy from work here came over to ask where a good location would be to view the fireworks from Deep Impact.  Huh?

This is from a CNN news article about the Deep Impact mission.

"Because of the relative speed of the two objects at the moment of impact -- 23,000 mph -- no explosives are needed for the job. The force of the smashup will be equivalent to 41/2 tons of TNT, creating a flash that just might be visible in the dark sky by the naked eye in one spectacular Fourth of July fireworks display."

Sky & Telescope say that the comet MIGHT brighten to magnitude 6 briefly.

Looking ahead....... On July 4 (impact day), Comet Tempel 1 (9P) will be just over 3 degrees to the ENE of Spica.  The comet will rise at 2:30pm CDT, transit at 8:05pm CDT (sunset is at 8:48pm CDT), and set at 1:35am CDT.  So it will definitely be visible for us in our sky.  It will also be at approximately magnitude 9.7 at that time.

Might be kind of cool to check it out.  But knowing our luck, it will be cloudy and raining!

Right now Tempel 1 is 3 degrees SW of Epsilon Virgo and is at magnitude 15.3.

-Scott

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Since I'll be at Powell Thurs - if it is brought up - I'd like to nominate 
Pete Jafferis (pjafferis@...)  for key holder training, per the recent 
email.
Mike Sterling


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--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, s.kranz1@c... wrote:
> Looking ahead....... On July 4 (impact day), Comet Tempel 1 (9P)
will be just over 3 degrees to the ENE of Spica.  The comet will rise
at 2:30pm CDT, transit at 8:05pm CDT (sunset is at 8:48pm CDT), and
set at 1:35am CDT.  So it will definitely be visible for us in our
sky.  It will also be at approximately magnitude 9.7 at that time.
> 
> Might be kind of cool to check it out.  But knowing our luck, it
will be cloudy and raining!


And on July 15, Comet Tempel will be occulted by the moon, but it will
only be for Australia.
See: http://www.lunar-occultations.com/iota/0715tempel.htm

Rob

I'll be at Brookwood School for their science night tonight (Thursday Jan 13). If any of you care to join me instead of going to the board meeting I'll be at 3411 W 103rd at about 5:30 PM to get the StarLab set up.

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Thought some of you would be interested in this one.

     Jackie Beucher
Sales - EMJ - Kansas City
     Ph: 816-483-4140
  Toll free: 800-821-2500
     fax: 816-241-3677




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students. The lessons comply with National Science Education 
Standards that include phases of the moon, solstices and equinoxes, 
and other topics. Digitalis offers these lessons free of charge as 
outreach to teaching community of astronomy...

For more go to: http://digitaliseducation.com/curricula.html






 
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Group, I downloaded all 12 plans and converted them into a single Word doc,
which I uploaded to the Yahoo "Files" section as "Lesson Plans".   The file
is 324 KB in size.

Thanks for the heads up, Jackie!  This could be a big time saver when doing
school and scout meetings!


Dick H


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Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 7:24 AM
To: 'askc@yahoogroups.com'
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Thought some of you would be interested in this one.

     Jackie Beucher
Sales - EMJ - Kansas City
     Ph: 816-483-4140
  Toll free: 800-821-2500
     fax: 816-241-3677




Digitalus Education Solutions | Twelve astronomy lesson plans are
available for free download for kindergarten through 12th grade
students. The lessons comply with National Science Education
Standards that include phases of the moon, solstices and equinoxes,
and other topics. Digitalis offers these lessons free of charge as
outreach to teaching community of astronomy...

For more go to: http://digitaliseducation.com/curricula.html







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Thanks, Dick!   Your doing that is just what I was hoping for.   

     Jackie Beucher
Sales - EMJ - Kansas City
     Ph: 816-483-4140
  Toll free: 800-821-2500
     fax: 816-241-3677


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Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 7:44 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ASKC] Digitalis Offers Free Astronomy Lesson Plans!



Group, I downloaded all 12 plans and converted them into a single Word doc,
which I uploaded to the Yahoo "Files" section as "Lesson Plans".   The file
is 324 KB in size.

Thanks for the heads up, Jackie!  This could be a big time saver when doing
school and scout meetings!


Dick H


-----Original Message-----
From: Beucher, Jackie [mailto:JBeucher@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 7:24 AM
To: 'askc@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: [ASKC] Digitalis Offers Free Astronomy Lesson Plans!



Thought some of you would be interested in this one.

     Jackie Beucher
Sales - EMJ - Kansas City
     Ph: 816-483-4140
  Toll free: 800-821-2500
     fax: 816-241-3677




Digitalus Education Solutions | Twelve astronomy lesson plans are
available for free download for kindergarten through 12th grade
students. The lessons comply with National Science Education
Standards that include phases of the moon, solstices and equinoxes,
and other topics. Digitalis offers these lessons free of charge as
outreach to teaching community of astronomy...

For more go to: http://digitaliseducation.com/curricula.html







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I repeat my message from December 17 (it seemed to garner no interest then):



"I just learned of a NASA/JPL mission planned to launch next month called "Deep Impact". Basically a spacecraft will whack Comet Temple 1 at high velocity to allow scientists to study the ejecta. The planned arrival date is July 4, 2005. The comet will be near Spica then.

See: http://deepimpact.jpl.nasa.gov/

I suspect this event will garner LOTS of public interest. Many will want to come to Powell to see if anything can be seen with the 30".


Therein lies the problem. As those of you who have been to Louisburg's
fireworks display are aware, the public is generally not allowed at the
observatory, at least early in the evening, since the pyrotechnics are fired from fairly close-by.

If we make them aware of this well ahead of time, do you think the folks that plan the fireworks could possibly shoot them from some other location in the park to allow the public access to the observatory that evening?"




-Dave Dembinski




s.kranz1@... wrote:

>It's no wonder that the masses of people don't have a clue given the news they are fed. �A guy from work here came over to ask where a good location would be to view the fireworks from Deep Impact. �Huh?
>
>This is from a CNN news article about the Deep Impact mission.
>
>"Because of the relative speed of the two objects at the moment of impact -- 23,000 mph -- no explosives are needed for the job. The force of the smashup will be equivalent to 41/2 tons of TNT, creating a flash that just might be visible in the dark sky by the naked eye in one spectacular Fourth of July fireworks display."
>
>Sky & Telescope say that the comet MIGHT brighten to magnitude 6 briefly.
>
>Looking ahead....... On July 4 (impact day), Comet Tempel 1 (9P) will be just over 3 degrees to the ENE of Spica. �The comet will rise at 2:30pm CDT, transit at 8:05pm CDT (sunset is at 8:48pm CDT), and set at 1:35am CDT. �So it will definitely be visible for us in our sky. �It will also be at approximately magnitude 9.7 at that time.
>
>Might be kind of cool to check it out. �But knowing our luck, it will be cloudy and raining!
>
>Right now Tempel 1 is 3 degrees SW of Epsilon Virgo and is at magnitude 15.3.
>
>-Scott
>
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Is there some kind of timeline of when the impact is supposed to take place?  We will only have about a 3 hour window of when we will be able to ses the comet.  We might begin viewing at about 9:45pm and view till about 1:00am when the comet will be to low.

And when the impact happens, if it does suddenly brighten, how long will the flash last?

....and I would guess that a 9.7 magnitude comet from Powell might even be difficult.

From the news media, people are going to expect a naked eye explosion in space. 
-------------- Original message -------------- 
I repeat my message from December 17 (it seemed to garner no interest then):



"I just learned of a NASA/JPL mission planned to launch next month called "Deep Impact". Basically a spacecraft will whack Comet Temple 1 at high velocity to allow scientists to study the ejecta. The planned arrival date is July 4, 2005. The comet will be near Spica then.

See: http://deepimpact.jpl.nasa.gov/

I suspect this event will garner LOTS of public interest. Many will want to come to Powell to see if anything can be seen with the 30".


Therein lies the problem. As those of you who have been to Louisburg's
fireworks display are aware, the public is generally not allowed at the
observatory, at least early in the evening, since the pyrotechnics are fired from fairly close-by.

If we make them aware of this well ahead of time, do you think the folks that plan the fireworks could possibly shoot them from some other location in the park to allow the public access to the observatory that evening?"




-Dave Dembinski




s.kranz1@... wrote:

>It's no wonder that the masses of people don't have a clue given the news they are fed. A guy from work here came over to ask where a good location would be to view the fireworks from Deep Impact. Huh?
>
>This is from a CNN news article about the Deep Impact mission.
>
>"Because of the relative speed of the two objects at the moment of impact -- 23,000 mph -- no explosives are needed for the job. The force of the smashup will be equivalent to 41/2 tons of TNT, creating a flash that just might be visible in the dark sky by the naked eye in one spectacular Fourth of July fireworks display."
>
>Sky & Telescope say that the comet MIGHT brighten to magnitude 6 briefly.
>
>Looking ahead....... On July 4 (impact day), Comet Tempel 1 (9P) will be just over 3 degrees to the ENE of Spica. The comet will rise at 2:30pm CDT, transit at 8:05pm CDT (sunset is at 8:48pm CDT), and set at 1:35am CDT. So it will definitely be visible for us in our sky. It will also be at approximately magnitude 9.7 at that time.
>
>Might be kind of cool to check it out. But knowing our luck, it will be cloudy and raining!
>
>Right now Tempel 1 is 3 degrees SW of Epsilon Virgo and is at magnitude 15.3.
>
>-Scott
>
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>
>

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Mike  what time will you be down? I will be there to help as much as I can 
Larry Rice 


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Dave D and Scott have some great ideas!!!   And we have time to plan.....

ALSO....what about hooking up one of our 123C low light level video cameras (many of us have them) to the 12" scope.....and make "real-time" video available for the public at Powell AND news media who show up???  That might be fun and also get a lot of attention, heh-heh! 
 : ^ )

Dave H. 



  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: DembinskiD@... 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 9:20 AM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] fireworks on the 4th


  I repeat my message from December 17 (it seemed to garner no interest then):



  "I just learned of a NASA/JPL mission planned to launch next month called "Deep Impact". Basically a spacecraft will whack Comet Temple 1 at high velocity to allow scientists to study the ejecta. The planned arrival date is July 4, 2005. The comet will be near Spica then.

  See: http://deepimpact.jpl.nasa.gov/

  I suspect this event will garner LOTS of public interest. Many will want to come to Powell to see if anything can be seen with the 30".


  Therein lies the problem. As those of you who have been to Louisburg's
  fireworks display are aware, the public is generally not allowed at the
  observatory, at least early in the evening, since the pyrotechnics are fired from fairly close-by.

  If we make them aware of this well ahead of time, do you think the folks that plan the fireworks could possibly shoot them from some other location in the park to allow the public access to the observatory that evening?"




  -Dave Dembinski




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The even suggest the event might be visible in a telescope. Maybe you could bring it up at the board of director's meeting tonight and get something set up? July 4 is a Monday. 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: DembinskiD@... 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 9:20 AM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] fireworks on the 4th


  I repeat my message from December 17 (it seemed to garner no interest then):



  "I just learned of a NASA/JPL mission planned to launch next month called "Deep Impact". Basically a spacecraft will whack Comet Temple 1 at high velocity to allow scientists to study the ejecta. The planned arrival date is July 4, 2005. The comet will be near Spica then.

  See: http://deepimpact.jpl.nasa.gov/

  I suspect this event will garner LOTS of public interest. Many will want to come to Powell to see if anything can be seen with the 30".


  Therein lies the problem. As those of you who have been to Louisburg's
  fireworks display are aware, the public is generally not allowed at the
  observatory, at least early in the evening, since the pyrotechnics are fired from fairly close-by.

  If we make them aware of this well ahead of time, do you think the folks that plan the fireworks could possibly shoot them from some other location in the park to allow the public access to the observatory that evening?"




  -Dave Dembinski




  s.kranz1@... wrote:

  >It's no wonder that the masses of people don't have a clue given the news they are fed.  A guy from work here came over to ask where a good location would be to view the fireworks from Deep Impact.  Huh?
  >
  >This is from a CNN news article about the Deep Impact mission.
  >
  >"Because of the relative speed of the two objects at the moment of impact -- 23,000 mph -- no explosives are needed for the job. The force of the smashup will be equivalent to 41/2 tons of TNT, creating a flash that just might be visible in the dark sky by the naked eye in one spectacular Fourth of July fireworks display."
  >
  >Sky & Telescope say that the comet MIGHT brighten to magnitude 6 briefly.
  >
  >Looking ahead....... On July 4 (impact day), Comet Tempel 1 (9P) will be just over 3 degrees to the ENE of Spica.  The comet will rise at 2:30pm CDT, transit at 8:05pm CDT (sunset is at 8:48pm CDT), and set at 1:35am CDT.  So it will definitely be visible for us in our sky.  It will also be at approximately magnitude 9.7 at that time.
  >
  >Might be kind of cool to check it out.  But knowing our luck, it will be cloudy and raining!
  >
  >Right now Tempel 1 is 3 degrees SW of Epsilon Virgo and is at magnitude 15.3.
  >
  >-Scott
  >
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  >
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How faint can one of those cameras "see"? We could use the ST-9 on the 12" if the 123C isn't sensitive enough. It wouldn't be real time but there would only be a few minutes delay.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: David Hudgins 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 10:12 AM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] More on Deep Impact July 4


  Dave D and Scott have some great ideas!!!   And we have time to plan.....

  ALSO....what about hooking up one of our 123C low light level video cameras (many of us have them) to the 12" scope.....and make "real-time" video available for the public at Powell AND news media who show up???  That might be fun and also get a lot of attention, heh-heh! 
  : ^ )

  Dave H. 



    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: DembinskiD@... 
    To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
    Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 9:20 AM
    Subject: RE: [ASKC] fireworks on the 4th


    I repeat my message from December 17 (it seemed to garner no interest then):



    "I just learned of a NASA/JPL mission planned to launch next month called "Deep Impact". Basically a spacecraft will whack Comet Temple 1 at high velocity to allow scientists to study the ejecta. The planned arrival date is July 4, 2005. The comet will be near Spica then.

    See: http://deepimpact.jpl.nasa.gov/

    I suspect this event will garner LOTS of public interest. Many will want to come to Powell to see if anything can be seen with the 30".


    Therein lies the problem. As those of you who have been to Louisburg's
    fireworks display are aware, the public is generally not allowed at the
    observatory, at least early in the evening, since the pyrotechnics are fired from fairly close-by.

    If we make them aware of this well ahead of time, do you think the folks that plan the fireworks could possibly shoot them from some other location in the park to allow the public access to the observatory that evening?"




    -Dave Dembinski




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If anyone has a PC164 security cam (color), they're almost as sensitive as a
CCD.  They could give us great real-time views through the 12-incher.
Anyone have one?

Dick H


-----Original Message-----
From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 12:27 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] More on Deep Impact July 4



How faint can one of those cameras "see"? We could use the ST-9 on the 12"
if the 123C isn't sensitive enough. It wouldn't be real time but there would
only be a few minutes delay.
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: David Hudgins
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 10:12 AM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] More on Deep Impact July 4


  Dave D and Scott have some great ideas!!!   And we have time to plan.....

  ALSO....what about hooking up one of our 123C low light level video
cameras (many of us have them) to the 12" scope.....and make "real-time"
video available for the public at Powell AND news media who show up???  That
might be fun and also get a lot of attention, heh-heh!
  : ^ )

  Dave H.



    ----- Original Message -----
    From: DembinskiD@...
    To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 9:20 AM
    Subject: RE: [ASKC] fireworks on the 4th


    I repeat my message from December 17 (it seemed to garner no interest
then):



    "I just learned of a NASA/JPL mission planned to launch next month
called "Deep Impact". Basically a spacecraft will whack Comet Temple 1 at
high velocity to allow scientists to study the ejecta. The planned arrival
date is July 4, 2005. The comet will be near Spica then.

    See: http://deepimpact.jpl.nasa.gov/

    I suspect this event will garner LOTS of public interest. Many will want
to come to Powell to see if anything can be seen with the 30".


    Therein lies the problem. As those of you who have been to Louisburg's
    fireworks display are aware, the public is generally not allowed at the
    observatory, at least early in the evening, since the pyrotechnics are
fired from fairly close-by.

    If we make them aware of this well ahead of time, do you think the folks
that plan the fireworks could possibly shoot them from some other location
in the park to allow the public access to the observatory that evening?"




    -Dave Dembinski




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Hey Dick,  whatcha know about security cams?   I am using 3 B&W cams but would like to switch to more light sensitive color cams  Any ideas?.   Maybe some that would give an image under a yardlight?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Dick Harshaw 
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 1/13/2005 12:29:23 PM 
Subject: RE: [ASKC] More on Deep Impact July 4


If anyone has a PC164 security cam (color), they're almost as sensitive as a
CCD.  They could give us great real-time views through the 12-incher.
Anyone have one?

Dick H


-----Original Message-----
From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 12:27 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] More on Deep Impact July 4



How faint can one of those cameras "see"? We could use the ST-9 on the 12"
if the 123C isn't sensitive enough. It wouldn't be real time but there would
only be a few minutes delay.
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: David Hudgins
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 10:12 AM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] More on Deep Impact July 4


  Dave D and Scott have some great ideas!!!   And we have time to plan.....

  ALSO....what about hooking up one of our 123C low light level video
cameras (many of us have them) to the 12" scope.....and make "real-time"
video available for the public at Powell AND news media who show up???  That
might be fun and also get a lot of attention, heh-heh!
  : ^ )

  Dave H.



    ----- Original Message -----
    From: DembinskiD@...
    To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 9:20 AM
    Subject: RE: [ASKC] fireworks on the 4th


    I repeat my message from December 17 (it seemed to garner no interest
then):



    "I just learned of a NASA/JPL mission planned to launch next month
called "Deep Impact". Basically a spacecraft will whack Comet Temple 1 at
high velocity to allow scientists to study the ejecta. The planned arrival
date is July 4, 2005. The comet will be near Spica then.

    See: http://deepimpact.jpl.nasa.gov/

    I suspect this event will garner LOTS of public interest. Many will want
to come to Powell to see if anything can be seen with the 30".


    Therein lies the problem. As those of you who have been to Louisburg's
    fireworks display are aware, the public is generally not allowed at the
    observatory, at least early in the evening, since the pyrotechnics are
fired from fairly close-by.

    If we make them aware of this well ahead of time, do you think the folks
that plan the fireworks could possibly shoot them from some other location
in the park to allow the public access to the observatory that evening?"




    -Dave Dembinski




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I did a lot of research last year on the PC164 from Supercircuits
(www.supercircuits.com). THey also have a B&W version (I forget the model
number).  Very good flux rating for a video cam.  You might go to that
website and check out the tech spex to see if it would work for you.

Dick H


-----Original Message-----
From: George Allen [mailto:geonjod@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 1:01 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ASKC] More on Deep Impact July 4



Hey Dick,  whatcha know about security cams?   I am using 3 B&W cams but
would like to switch to more light sensitive color cams  Any ideas?.   Maybe
some that would give an image under a yardlight?


----- Original Message -----
From: Dick Harshaw
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 1/13/2005 12:29:23 PM
Subject: RE: [ASKC] More on Deep Impact July 4


If anyone has a PC164 security cam (color), they're almost as sensitive as a
CCD.  They could give us great real-time views through the 12-incher.
Anyone have one?

Dick H


-----Original Message-----
From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 12:27 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] More on Deep Impact July 4



How faint can one of those cameras "see"? We could use the ST-9 on the 12"
if the 123C isn't sensitive enough. It wouldn't be real time but there would
only be a few minutes delay.
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: David Hudgins
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 10:12 AM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] More on Deep Impact July 4


  Dave D and Scott have some great ideas!!!   And we have time to plan.....

  ALSO....what about hooking up one of our 123C low light level video
cameras (many of us have them) to the 12" scope.....and make "real-time"
video available for the public at Powell AND news media who show up???  That
might be fun and also get a lot of attention, heh-heh!
  : ^ )

  Dave H.



    ----- Original Message -----
    From: DembinskiD@...
    To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 9:20 AM
    Subject: RE: [ASKC] fireworks on the 4th


    I repeat my message from December 17 (it seemed to garner no interest
then):



    "I just learned of a NASA/JPL mission planned to launch next month
called "Deep Impact". Basically a spacecraft will whack Comet Temple 1 at
high velocity to allow scientists to study the ejecta. The planned arrival
date is July 4, 2005. The comet will be near Spica then.

    See: http://deepimpact.jpl.nasa.gov/

    I suspect this event will garner LOTS of public interest. Many will want
to come to Powell to see if anything can be seen with the 30".


    Therein lies the problem. As those of you who have been to Louisburg's
    fireworks display are aware, the public is generally not allowed at the
    observatory, at least early in the evening, since the pyrotechnics are
fired from fairly close-by.

    If we make them aware of this well ahead of time, do you think the folks
that plan the fireworks could possibly shoot them from some other location
in the park to allow the public access to the observatory that evening?"




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You know, I never even thought about the TIME of the event ... I kind of assumed that NASA and JPL would time the impact to occur in Prime Time to maximize the publicity.  

Remember the scenes on TV from the Mars Rover landings and the Cassini orbital insertion?  I have heard that almost all of the folks you see on TV peering intently into monitors at Mission Control have nothing to do with engineering or science - they are actually from the marketing department and are avidly tracking the TV ratings. ;>)

Good science doesn't necessarily get funding support.  Good ratings do!

-Dave Dembinski



s.kranz1@... wrote:

>Is there some kind of timeline of when the impact is supposed to take place? �We will only have about a 3 hour window of when we will be able to ses the comet. �We might begin viewing at about 9:45pm and view till about 1:00am when the comet will be to low.
>
>And when the impact happens, if it does suddenly brighten, how long will the flash last?
>
>....and I would guess that a 9.7 magnitude comet from Powell might even be difficult.
>
>From the news media, people are going to expect a naked eye explosion in space. 
>-------------- Original message -------------- 
>I repeat my message from December 17 (it seemed to garner no interest then):
>
>
>
>"I just learned of a NASA/JPL mission planned to launch next month called "Deep Impact". Basically a spacecraft will whack Comet Temple 1 at high velocity to allow scientists to study the ejecta. The planned arrival date is July 4, 2005. The comet will be near Spica then.
>
>See: http://deepimpact.jpl.nasa.gov/
>
>I suspect this event will garner LOTS of public interest. Many will want to come to Powell to see if anything can be seen with the 30".
>
>
>Therein lies the problem. As those of you who have been to Louisburg's
>fireworks display are aware, the public is generally not allowed at the
>observatory, at least early in the evening, since the pyrotechnics are fired from fairly close-by.
>
>If we make them aware of this well ahead of time, do you think the folks that plan the fireworks could possibly shoot them from some other location in the park to allow the public access to the observatory that evening?"
>
>
>
>
>-Dave Dembinski
>
>
>
>
>s.kranz1@... wrote:
>
>>It's no wonder that the masses of people don't have a clue given the news they are fed. A guy from work here came over to ask where a good location would be to view the fireworks from Deep Impact. Huh?
>>
>>This is from a CNN news article about the Deep Impact mission.
>>
>>"Because of the relative speed of the two objects at the moment of impact -- 23,000 mph -- no explosives are needed for the job. The force of the smashup will be equivalent to 41/2 tons of TNT, creating a flash that just might be visible in the dark sky by the naked eye in one spectacular Fourth of July fireworks display."
>>
>>Sky & Telescope say that the comet MIGHT brighten to magnitude 6 briefly.
>>
>>Looking ahead....... On July 4 (impact day), Comet Tempel 1 (9P) will be just over 3 degrees to the ENE of Spica. The comet will rise at 2:30pm CDT, transit at 8:05pm CDT (sunset is at 8:48pm CDT), and set at 1:35am CDT. So it will definitely be visible for us in our sky. It will also be at approximately magnitude 9.7 at that time.
>>
>>Might be kind of cool to check it out. But knowing our luck, it will be cloudy and raining!
>>
>>Right now Tempel 1 is 3 degrees SW of Epsilon Virgo and is at magnitude 15.3.
>>
>>-Scott
>>
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On Jan 13, 2005, at 13:07, DembinskiD@... wrote:

> You know, I never even thought about the TIME of the event ... I kind 
> of assumed that NASA and JPL would time the impact to occur in Prime 
> Time to maximize the publicity.
>
> s.kranz1@comcast.net wrote:
>
>> Is there some kind of timeline of when the impact is supposed to take 
>> place? �We will only have about a 3 hour window of when we will be 
>> able to ses the comet. �We might begin viewing at about 9:45pm and 
>> view till about 1:00am when the comet will be to low.
>>
>> -------------- Original message --------------
>> Therein lies the problem. As those of you who have been to Louisburg's
>> fireworks display are aware, the public is generally not allowed at 
>> the
>> observatory, at least early in the evening, since the pyrotechnics 
>> are fired from fairly close-by.
>>
>> If we make them aware of this well ahead of time, do you think the 
>> folks that plan the fireworks could possibly shoot them from some 
>> other location in the park to allow the public access to the 
>> observatory that evening?"

These may be silly questions, but I've been out to the observatory only 
once, and never for the fireworks.

1. Even if the fireworks are launched from a different location in the 
park, where will they be exploding relative to the comet? In other 
words, will fireworks be going off in the same general piece of sky?
2. Even if fireworks are exploding in a different part of the sky, will 
they generate enough light to screw up the view through telescopes? 
Will light reflected from trees, buildings, etc. be a concern?
3. If the answers to either #1 or #2 are "yes", does attempting to view 
Deep Impact from the observatory become a moot point?

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Can we simulate the effect.  I have a BAR that we could shoot into a 
25lb block of ice at the south end of the field.

Just a thought.

How about we hire a small airplane to tow a 500 lb block of dry ice behind
it while you shoot at it with a  with a piece of iron bolt fired from a
pneumatijc gun?  We'd have a mini-comet, complete with vapor "tail" and an
impressive impact, especially if we coated the end of the bolt with nitro?

DH


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 1:46 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Re: fireworks on the 4th




Can we simulate the effect.  I have a BAR that we could shoot into a
25lb block of ice at the south end of the field.

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Well technically, we can't get "real time"...........  the comet will be some 80 million miles away, so we will already be a little over 7 minutes late!  :-)

-------------- Original message -------------- 
How faint can one of those cameras "see"? We could use the ST-9 on the 12" if the 123C isn't sensitive enough. It wouldn't be real time but there would only be a few minutes delay.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: David Hudgins 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 10:12 AM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] More on Deep Impact July 4


  Dave D and Scott have some great ideas!!!   And we have time to plan.....

  ALSO....what about hooking up one of our 123C low light level video cameras (many of us have them) to the 12" scope.....and make "real-time" video available for the public at Powell AND news media who show up???  That might be fun and also get a lot of attention, heh-heh! 
  : ^ )

  Dave H. 



    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: DembinskiD@... 
    To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
    Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 9:20 AM
    Subject: RE: [ASKC] fireworks on the 4th


    I repeat my message from December 17 (it seemed to garner no interest then):



    "I just learned of a NASA/JPL mission planned to launch next month called "Deep Impact". Basically a spacecraft will whack Comet Temple 1 at high velocity to allow scientists to study the ejecta. The planned arrival date is July 4, 2005. The comet will be near Spica then.

    See: http://deepimpact.jpl.nasa.gov/

    I suspect this event will garner LOTS of public interest. Many will want to come to Powell to see if anything can be seen with the 30".


    Therein lies the problem. As those of you who have been to Louisburg's
    fireworks display are aware, the public is generally not allowed at the
    observatory, at least early in the evening, since the pyrotechnics are fired from fairly close-by.

    If we make them aware of this well ahead of time, do you think the folks that plan the fireworks could possibly shoot them from some other location in the park to allow the public access to the observatory that evening?"




    -Dave Dembinski




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I can be there but don't have my 'scope in the van at the moment.  
How can I be useful?

Jay

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "David Young" <dyoung8@k...> wrote:
> I'll be at Brookwood School for their science night tonight 
(Thursday Jan 13). If any of you care to join me instead of going to 
the board meeting I'll be at 3411 W 103rd at about 5:30 PM to get the 
StarLab set up.
> 
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Dave Y asked about the sensitivity of the PC164C. I have one...it's black & white of course, but extremely sensitive .. especially at the red end. They cost $120.

I use it as a finder for my LX200. With a 1" aperature camera lens it reaches mag 7.5 easily. 

A bit of math suggests that in the 12" it could reach mag 13. I have not really tested this...but I have no doubt that imaging the comet at mag 9.7 would be easy. We have time to test this.

Dave H. 
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  From: David Young 
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  Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 12:26 PM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] More on Deep Impact July 4


  How faint can one of those cameras "see"? We could use the ST-9 on the 12" if the 123C isn't sensitive enough. It wouldn't be real time but there would only be a few minutes delay.
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: David Hudgins 
    To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
    Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 10:12 AM
    Subject: Re: [ASKC] More on Deep Impact July 4


    Dave D and Scott have some great ideas!!!   And we have time to plan.....

    ALSO....what about hooking up one of our 123C low light level video cameras (many of us have them) to the 12" scope.....and make "real-time" video available for the public at Powell AND news media who show up???  That might be fun and also get a lot of attention, heh-heh! 
    : ^ )

    Dave H. 



      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: DembinskiD@... 
      To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
      Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 9:20 AM
      Subject: RE: [ASKC] fireworks on the 4th


      I repeat my message from December 17 (it seemed to garner no interest then):



      "I just learned of a NASA/JPL mission planned to launch next month called "Deep Impact". Basically a spacecraft will whack Comet Temple 1 at high velocity to allow scientists to study the ejecta. The planned arrival date is July 4, 2005. The comet will be near Spica then.

      See: http://deepimpact.jpl.nasa.gov/

      I suspect this event will garner LOTS of public interest. Many will want to come to Powell to see if anything can be seen with the 30".


      Therein lies the problem. As those of you who have been to Louisburg's
      fireworks display are aware, the public is generally not allowed at the
      observatory, at least early in the evening, since the pyrotechnics are fired from fairly close-by.

      If we make them aware of this well ahead of time, do you think the folks that plan the fireworks could possibly shoot them from some other location in the park to allow the public access to the observatory that evening?"




      -Dave Dembinski




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    What time CDT is the impact going to happen? Or better, when will we see
the brightening?
Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
Randy
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To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 9:31 AM
Subject: RE: [ASKC] fireworks on the 4th


>
> Is there some kind of timeline of when the impact is supposed to take
place?  We will only have about a 3 hour window of when we will be able to
ses the comet.  We might begin viewing at about 9:45pm and view till about
1:00am when the comet will be to low.
>
> And when the impact happens, if it does suddenly brighten, how long will
the flash last?
>
> ....and I would guess that a 9.7 magnitude comet from Powell might even be
difficult.
>
> >From the news media, people are going to expect a naked eye explosion in
space.
> -------------- Original message -------------- 
> I repeat my message from December 17 (it seemed to garner no interest
then):
>
>
>
> "I just learned of a NASA/JPL mission planned to launch next month called
"Deep Impact". Basically a spacecraft will whack Comet Temple 1 at high
velocity to allow scientists to study the ejecta. The planned arrival date
is July 4, 2005. The comet will be near Spica then.
>
> See: http://deepimpact.jpl.nasa.gov/
>
> I suspect this event will garner LOTS of public interest. Many will want
to come to Powell to see if anything can be seen with the 30".
>
>
> Therein lies the problem. As those of you who have been to Louisburg's
> fireworks display are aware, the public is generally not allowed at the
> observatory, at least early in the evening, since the pyrotechnics are
fired from fairly close-by.
>
> If we make them aware of this well ahead of time, do you think the folks
that plan the fireworks could possibly shoot them from some other location
in the park to allow the public access to the observatory that evening?"
>
>
>
>
> -Dave Dembinski
>
>
>
>
> s.kranz1@... wrote:
>
> >It's no wonder that the masses of people don't have a clue given the news
they are fed. A guy from work here came over to ask where a good location
would be to view the fireworks from Deep Impact. Huh?
> >
> >This is from a CNN news article about the Deep Impact mission.
> >
> >"Because of the relative speed of the two objects at the moment of
impact -- 23,000 mph -- no explosives are needed for the job. The force of
the smashup will be equivalent to 41/2 tons of TNT, creating a flash that
just might be visible in the dark sky by the naked eye in one spectacular
Fourth of July fireworks display."
> >
> >Sky & Telescope say that the comet MIGHT brighten to magnitude 6 briefly.
> >
> >Looking ahead....... On July 4 (impact day), Comet Tempel 1 (9P) will be
just over 3 degrees to the ENE of Spica. The comet will rise at 2:30pm CDT,
transit at 8:05pm CDT (sunset is at 8:48pm CDT), and set at 1:35am CDT. So
it will definitely be visible for us in our sky. It will also be at
approximately magnitude 9.7 at that time.
> >
> >Might be kind of cool to check it out. But knowing our luck, it will be
cloudy and raining!
> >
> >Right now Tempel 1 is 3 degrees SW of Epsilon Virgo and is at magnitude
15.3.
> >
> >-Scott
> >
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http://deepimpact.jpl.nasa.gov/press/quickfacts.html says "0600 4 
July 2005 UT" -- that's 1 AM CDT on Monday morning, a/k/a very late 
Sunday night.

Recommend we confirm this with JPL.  If true, it solves the fireworks 
problem (they're the following night), but raises another (how to get 
public participation that late?).

Jay


--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Randy Thompson" <randythm@k...> wrote:
>     What time CDT is the impact going to happen? Or better, when 
will we see
> the brightening?
> Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
> Randy
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <s.kranz1@c...>
> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 9:31 AM
> Subject: RE: [ASKC] fireworks on the 4th
> 
> 
> >
> > Is there some kind of timeline of when the impact is supposed to 
take
> place?  We will only have about a 3 hour window of when we will be 
able to
> ses the comet.  We might begin viewing at about 9:45pm and view 
till about
> 1:00am when the comet will be to low.
> >
> > And when the impact happens, if it does suddenly brighten, how 
long will
> the flash last?
> >
> > ....and I would guess that a 9.7 magnitude comet from Powell 
might even be
> difficult.
> >
> > >From the news media, people are going to expect a naked eye 
explosion in
> space.
> > -------------- Original message -------------- 
> > I repeat my message from December 17 (it seemed to garner no 
interest
> then):
> >
> >
> >
> > "I just learned of a NASA/JPL mission planned to launch next 
month called
> "Deep Impact". Basically a spacecraft will whack Comet Temple 1 at 
high
> velocity to allow scientists to study the ejecta. The planned 
arrival date
> is July 4, 2005. The comet will be near Spica then.
> >
> > See: http://deepimpact.jpl.nasa.gov/
> >
> > I suspect this event will garner LOTS of public interest. Many 
will want
> to come to Powell to see if anything can be seen with the 30".
> >
> >
> > Therein lies the problem. As those of you who have been to 
Louisburg's
> > fireworks display are aware, the public is generally not allowed 
at the
> > observatory, at least early in the evening, since the 
pyrotechnics are
> fired from fairly close-by.
> >
> > If we make them aware of this well ahead of time, do you think 
the folks
> that plan the fireworks could possibly shoot them from some other 
location
> in the park to allow the public access to the observatory that 
evening?"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -Dave Dembinski
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > s.kranz1@c... wrote:
> >
> > >It's no wonder that the masses of people don't have a clue given 
the news
> they are fed. A guy from work here came over to ask where a good 
location
> would be to view the fireworks from Deep Impact. Huh?
> > >
> > >This is from a CNN news article about the Deep Impact mission.
> > >
> > >"Because of the relative speed of the two objects at the moment 
of
> impact -- 23,000 mph -- no explosives are needed for the job. The 
force of
> the smashup will be equivalent to 41/2 tons of TNT, creating a 
flash that
> just might be visible in the dark sky by the naked eye in one 
spectacular
> Fourth of July fireworks display."
> > >
> > >Sky & Telescope say that the comet MIGHT brighten to magnitude 6 
briefly.
> > >
> > >Looking ahead....... On July 4 (impact day), Comet Tempel 1 (9P) 
will be
> just over 3 degrees to the ENE of Spica. The comet will rise at 
2:30pm CDT,
> transit at 8:05pm CDT (sunset is at 8:48pm CDT), and set at 1:35am 
CDT. So
> it will definitely be visible for us in our sky. It will also be at
> approximately magnitude 9.7 at that time.
> > >
> > >Might be kind of cool to check it out. But knowing our luck, it 
will be
> cloudy and raining!
> > >
> > >Right now Tempel 1 is 3 degrees SW of Epsilon Virgo and is at 
magnitude
> 15.3.
> > >
> > >-Scott
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Also, there's no Moon (it's New at 7:02 AM CDT on the 6th, per 
http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/RS_OneDay.html).

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, jaymanifold@e... wrote:
> 
> http://deepimpact.jpl.nasa.gov/press/quickfacts.html says "0600 4 
> July 2005 UT" -- that's 1 AM CDT on Monday morning, a/k/a very late 
> Sunday night.
> 
> Recommend we confirm this with JPL.  If true, it solves the 
fireworks 
> problem (they're the following night), but raises another (how to 
get 
> public participation that late?).
> 
> Jay

If that is the time of expected impact, then we don't have to worry about it.  The comet will already be to low to see.  And by 9:30 Monday night, the 4th, it will be almost a whole day later after the impact.

-------------- Original message -------------- 

http://deepimpact.jpl.nasa.gov/press/quickfacts.html says "0600 4 
July 2005 UT" -- that's 1 AM CDT on Monday morning, a/k/a very late 
Sunday night.

Recommend we confirm this with JPL.  If true, it solves the fireworks 
problem (they're the following night), but raises another (how to get 
public participation that late?).

Jay


--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Randy Thompson" <randythm@k...> wrote:
>     What time CDT is the impact going to happen? Or better, when 
will we see
> the brightening?
> Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
> Randy
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <s.kranz1@c...>
> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 9:31 AM
> Subject: RE: [ASKC] fireworks on the 4th
> 
> 
> >
> > Is there some kind of timeline of when the impact is supposed to 
take
> place?  We will only have about a 3 hour window of when we will be 
able to
> ses the comet.  We might begin viewing at about 9:45pm and view 
till about
> 1:00am when the comet will be to low.
> >
> > And when the impact happens, if it does suddenly brighten, how 
long will
> the flash last?
> >
> > ....and I would guess that a 9.7 magnitude comet from Powell 
might even be
> difficult.
> >
> > >From the news media, people are going to expect a naked eye 
explosion in
> space.
> > -------------- Original message -------------- 
> > I repeat my message from December 17 (it seemed to garner no 
interest
> then):
> >
> >
> >
> > "I just learned of a NASA/JPL mission planned to launch next 
month called
> "Deep Impact". Basically a spacecraft will whack Comet Temple 1 at 
high
> velocity to allow scientists to study the ejecta. The planned 
arrival date
> is July 4, 2005. The comet will be near Spica then.
> >
> > See: http://deepimpact.jpl.nasa.gov/
> >
> > I suspect this event will garner LOTS of public interest. Many 
will want
> to come to Powell to see if anything can be seen with the 30".
> >
> >
> > Therein lies the problem. As those of you who have been to 
Louisburg's
> > fireworks display are aware, the public is generally not allowed 
at the
> > observatory, at least early in the evening, since the 
pyrotechnics are
> fired from fairly close-by.
> >
> > If we make them aware of this well ahead of time, do you think 
the folks
> that plan the fireworks could possibly shoot them from some other 
location
> in the park to allow the public access to the observatory that 
evening?"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -Dave Dembinski
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > s.kranz1@c... wrote:
> >
> > >It's no wonder that the masses of people don't have a clue given 
the news
> they are fed. A guy from work here came over to ask where a good 
location
> would be to view the fireworks from Deep Impact. Huh?
> > >
> > >This is from a CNN news article about the Deep Impact mission.
> > >
> > >"Because of the relative speed of the two objects at the moment 
of
> impact -- 23,000 mph -- no explosives are needed for the job. The 
force of
> the smashup will be equivalent to 41/2 tons of TNT, creating a 
flash that
> just might be visible in the dark sky by the naked eye in one 
spectacular
> Fourth of July fireworks display."
> > >
> > >Sky & Telescope say that the comet MIGHT brighten to magnitude 6 
briefly.
> > >
> > >Looking ahead....... On July 4 (impact day), Comet Tempel 1 (9P) 
will be
> just over 3 degrees to the ENE of Spica. The comet will rise at 
2:30pm CDT,
> transit at 8:05pm CDT (sunset is at 8:48pm CDT), and set at 1:35am 
CDT. So
> it will definitely be visible for us in our sky. It will also be at
> approximately magnitude 9.7 at that time.
> > >
> > >Might be kind of cool to check it out. But knowing our luck, it 
will be
> cloudy and raining!
> > >
> > >Right now Tempel 1 is 3 degrees SW of Epsilon Virgo and is at 
magnitude
> 15.3.
> > >
> > >-Scott
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What is the geometry?  Will it be visible from the western US?  Might 
we be able to arrange a live feed from a club out there somewhere?

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, s.kranz1@c... wrote:
> If that is the time of expected impact, then we don't have to worry 
about it.  The comet will already be to low to see.  And by 9:30 
Monday night, the 4th, it will be almost a whole day later after the 
impact.
> 
> -------------- Original message -------------- 
> 
> http://deepimpact.jpl.nasa.gov/press/quickfacts.html says "0600 4 
> July 2005 UT" -- that's 1 AM CDT on Monday morning, a/k/a very late 
> Sunday night.
> 
> Recommend we confirm this with JPL.  If true, it solves the 
fireworks 
> problem (they're the following night), but raises another (how to 
get 
> public participation that late?).
> 
> Jay

Checked the PC164C...impressive...600 lines res, .0003lux , $170 + freight.  It is B&W, and so is it's twin, the PC164 which has less res and lower $.  Do you happen to recall how this thing hooks into the rest of the world?  I don't know much about this, just that is handy in our remote acreage when we leave for a few days.  Sure is nice to learn who stopped by!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Dick Harshaw 
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 1/13/2005 1:02:41 PM 
Subject: RE: [ASKC] More on Deep Impact July 4


I did a lot of research last year on the PC164 from Supercircuits
(www.supercircuits.com). THey also have a B&W version (I forget the model
number).  Very good flux rating for a video cam.  You might go to that
website and check out the tech spex to see if it would work for you.

Dick H


-----Original Message-----
From: George Allen [mailto:geonjod@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 1:01 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ASKC] More on Deep Impact July 4



Hey Dick,  whatcha know about security cams?   I am using 3 B&W cams but
would like to switch to more light sensitive color cams  Any ideas?.   Maybe
some that would give an image under a yardlight?


----- Original Message -----
From: Dick Harshaw
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 1/13/2005 12:29:23 PM
Subject: RE: [ASKC] More on Deep Impact July 4


If anyone has a PC164 security cam (color), they're almost as sensitive as a
CCD.  They could give us great real-time views through the 12-incher.
Anyone have one?

Dick H


-----Original Message-----
From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 12:27 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] More on Deep Impact July 4



How faint can one of those cameras "see"? We could use the ST-9 on the 12"
if the 123C isn't sensitive enough. It wouldn't be real time but there would
only be a few minutes delay.
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: David Hudgins
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 10:12 AM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] More on Deep Impact July 4


  Dave D and Scott have some great ideas!!!   And we have time to plan.....

  ALSO....what about hooking up one of our 123C low light level video
cameras (many of us have them) to the 12" scope.....and make "real-time"
video available for the public at Powell AND news media who show up???  That
might be fun and also get a lot of attention, heh-heh!
  : ^ )

  Dave H.



    ----- Original Message -----
    From: DembinskiD@...
    To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 9:20 AM
    Subject: RE: [ASKC] fireworks on the 4th


    I repeat my message from December 17 (it seemed to garner no interest
then):



    "I just learned of a NASA/JPL mission planned to launch next month
called "Deep Impact". Basically a spacecraft will whack Comet Temple 1 at
high velocity to allow scientists to study the ejecta. The planned arrival
date is July 4, 2005. The comet will be near Spica then.

    See: http://deepimpact.jpl.nasa.gov/

    I suspect this event will garner LOTS of public interest. Many will want
to come to Powell to see if anything can be seen with the 30".


    Therein lies the problem. As those of you who have been to Louisburg's
    fireworks display are aware, the public is generally not allowed at the
    observatory, at least early in the evening, since the pyrotechnics are
fired from fairly close-by.

    If we make them aware of this well ahead of time, do you think the folks
that plan the fireworks could possibly shoot them from some other location
in the park to allow the public access to the observatory that evening?"




    -Dave Dembinski




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Don't you think NASA will provide a live global feed that would probably
exceed what any club could pick up?  Just a thought...

DH


-----Original Message-----
From: jaymanifold@... [mailto:jaymanifold@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 2:47 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Re: fireworks on the 4th




What is the geometry?  Will it be visible from the western US?  Might
we be able to arrange a live feed from a club out there somewhere?

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, s.kranz1@c... wrote:
> If that is the time of expected impact, then we don't have to worry
about it.  The comet will already be to low to see.  And by 9:30
Monday night, the 4th, it will be almost a whole day later after the
impact.
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
>
> http://deepimpact.jpl.nasa.gov/press/quickfacts.html says "0600 4
> July 2005 UT" -- that's 1 AM CDT on Monday morning, a/k/a very late
> Sunday night.
>
> Recommend we confirm this with JPL.  If true, it solves the
fireworks
> problem (they're the following night), but raises another (how to
get
> public participation that late?).
>
> Jay










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George, try this site:

http://www.s33.org/

Click on "Selected Articles" and scroll down until you see "Double Star
Measurements Using a Video Camera" by Steve Bodin.  Click the download
hyperlink.  He describes, with text and pix, how he uses it as the scope.  I
imagine this will be helpful to you-- you can obviously figure out how to
use it WITHOUT a scope for general security purposes.

Dick H


-----Original Message-----
From: George Allen [mailto:geonjod@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 2:49 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ASKC] More on Deep Impact July 4



Checked the PC164C...impressive...600 lines res, .0003lux , $170 + freight.
It is B&W, and so is it's twin, the PC164 which has less res and lower $.
Do you happen to recall how this thing hooks into the rest of the world?  I
don't know much about this, just that is handy in our remote acreage when we
leave for a few days.  Sure is nice to learn who stopped by!


----- Original Message -----
From: Dick Harshaw
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 1/13/2005 1:02:41 PM
Subject: RE: [ASKC] More on Deep Impact July 4


I did a lot of research last year on the PC164 from Supercircuits
(www.supercircuits.com). THey also have a B&W version (I forget the model
number).  Very good flux rating for a video cam.  You might go to that
website and check out the tech spex to see if it would work for you.

Dick H


-----Original Message-----
From: George Allen [mailto:geonjod@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 1:01 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ASKC] More on Deep Impact July 4



Hey Dick,  whatcha know about security cams?   I am using 3 B&W cams but
would like to switch to more light sensitive color cams  Any ideas?.   Maybe
some that would give an image under a yardlight?


----- Original Message -----
From: Dick Harshaw
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 1/13/2005 12:29:23 PM
Subject: RE: [ASKC] More on Deep Impact July 4


If anyone has a PC164 security cam (color), they're almost as sensitive as a
CCD.  They could give us great real-time views through the 12-incher.
Anyone have one?

Dick H


-----Original Message-----
From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 12:27 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] More on Deep Impact July 4



How faint can one of those cameras "see"? We could use the ST-9 on the 12"
if the 123C isn't sensitive enough. It wouldn't be real time but there would
only be a few minutes delay.
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: David Hudgins
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 10:12 AM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] More on Deep Impact July 4


  Dave D and Scott have some great ideas!!!   And we have time to plan.....

  ALSO....what about hooking up one of our 123C low light level video
cameras (many of us have them) to the 12" scope.....and make "real-time"
video available for the public at Powell AND news media who show up???  That
might be fun and also get a lot of attention, heh-heh!
  : ^ )

  Dave H.



    ----- Original Message -----
    From: DembinskiD@...
    To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 9:20 AM
    Subject: RE: [ASKC] fireworks on the 4th


    I repeat my message from December 17 (it seemed to garner no interest
then):



    "I just learned of a NASA/JPL mission planned to launch next month
called "Deep Impact". Basically a spacecraft will whack Comet Temple 1 at
high velocity to allow scientists to study the ejecta. The planned arrival
date is July 4, 2005. The comet will be near Spica then.

    See: http://deepimpact.jpl.nasa.gov/

    I suspect this event will garner LOTS of public interest. Many will want
to come to Powell to see if anything can be seen with the 30".


    Therein lies the problem. As those of you who have been to Louisburg's
    fireworks display are aware, the public is generally not allowed at the
    observatory, at least early in the evening, since the pyrotechnics are
fired from fairly close-by.

    If we make them aware of this well ahead of time, do you think the folks
that plan the fireworks could possibly shoot them from some other location
in the park to allow the public access to the observatory that evening?"




    -Dave Dembinski




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As bad as we have it, I thought you would enjoy these pictures from Mauna
Kea...

     Jackie Beucher
Sales - EMJ - Kansas City
     Ph: 816-483-4140
  Toll free: 800-821-2500
     fax: 816-241-3677


-


Aloha,

      Just got back from a trip up to the summit of Mauna Kea, and have 
posted some pictures on the AstroDay website (http://astroday.net/).  
Just click on the snow picture or link on the home page.  If you need 
higher resolution images, just ask...

Mahalo,
gary




 
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I don't think that we have this either.   Although we have channels up to 
119.    Maybe we do have it.  ????  Karen


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Come anyway. We'll use you somehow:-)
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: jaymanifold@... 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 2:06 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] Re: school science night



  I can be there but don't have my 'scope in the van at the moment.  
  How can I be useful?

  Jay

  --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "David Young" <dyoung8@k...> wrote:
  > I'll be at Brookwood School for their science night tonight 
  (Thursday Jan 13). If any of you care to join me instead of going to 
  the board meeting I'll be at 3411 W 103rd at about 5:30 PM to get the 
  StarLab set up.
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the upper tier channels have to be broken out by a decoder box.  I dont
know of any system that distributes them anywhere in the lower 125

the cable channels are defined from 1 to 125

off air are now from 1 to 69 (used to be to 83)

usually only one channel in the lower ones is Discovery.

the block of channels that they had allocated as discovery, I think
there
were 4, have undergone renames, and I recall the rename from Discovery
Science to Science before we got rid of them when we moved.

Karlar7@... wrote:

> I don't think that we have this either.   Although we have channels up
> to
> 119.    Maybe we do have it.  ????  Karen

I'll try to get down to help in any way I can. I probably can't get 
there until between 7 and 7:30.
Doug Spalding


--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, mikekansascity@a... wrote:
> Anybody available to help?  I'll be covering a private party for a 
Scout 
> group.  New members - even if you know nothing (as I did 2 + yrs 
ago), you'll be 
> helpful ... and ... If the clouds act as predicted - you'll be able 
to see 
> Saturn, Orion's Nebula, the moon, and a globular cluster on the 
30"!  
> Mike Sterling
> cell 816-456-7468
> 
> 
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From the volume of messages today, it appears everyone is either
retired, called in sick, or just plain having fun goofing off.....
Am I the only one still stuck in the 5/40 rut??

:(

Rob

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "David Hudgins" <dhudgins@k...> wrote:
> A bit of math suggests that in the 12" it could reach mag 13. I have
not really tested this...but I have no doubt that imaging the comet at
mag 9.7 would be easy. We have time to test this.


Having used the PC23 and the PC164 I can tell you the PC164 is the
more sensitive camera to use. Dunham has some articles, with his
experiences with an 8" Celestron, a focal reducer with the PC164 and
the PC23
The articles can be found at:

http://www.lunar-occultations.com/iota/supercomparison.htm

http://iota.jhuapl.edu/pc164205.htm

http://iota.jhuapl.edu/pc164119.htm

http://iota.jhuapl.edu/pc164c.htm

Richard Nuggent also has used a Collins I3image intensifier and gained
3 magnitudes fainter.

Hope some of this helps....

Rob

nope. i'm still in the mire with ya.
tim 
--- sc285 <webmaster@...> wrote:

> 
> From the volume of messages today, it appears
> everyone is either
> retired, called in sick, or just plain having fun
> goofing off.....
> Am I the only one still stuck in the 5/40 rut??
> 
> :(
> 
> Rob
> 
> 
> 
> 



		
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http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/cassini/whycassini/30dec_titan.html

Nasa TV will start covering it at 3am Friday morning. (that might be 
eastern time)
I think the first 8 photos will be shown around 1pm.  If I am off on my 
times please correct me.  I cant wait.

It has been a fun week with rockets launching and probe parachuting.  
Not to mention a comet in the sky : )

-- James Pageau

If anyone is interested in submitting a possible Powell photo for the next Reflector, please submit asap.  We are up again a deadline this weekend, so get this to me asap.

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brrrr  It's cold out there this morning. It was chilly last night at the school too. Thanks to Roger and Pat, Jay Manifold, and Dick Trentman for helping outside with binoculars and a small telescope. The screamers....er kids enjoyed the StarLab and the scopes. One of the "experiments" in the gym was a guy from Bayer electrocutine a pickle. He really had that gerkin perkin. A nice yellow glow from the vaporized sodium. He used a comb like electrode instead of nails. Lot's of glow will little smoke. I didn't get a chance to wander around the rest of the school to see the other demonstrations but there were occaisional building rattling explosions. I didn't see any emergency equipment and they kept going off so it must have been on purpose;-)

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Naw, I spent the morning patching holes in a bank driveway with Rick. Then we went down to the levee and put a chlorine treatment in a well, installed a pump in another one and ran the pump. The day before we worked in the rain and hail. I'm getting all bundled up to have more fun today. At least you work inside;-)
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  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 5:43 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] Doesn't Anyone Work Anymore



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  retired, called in sick, or just plain having fun goofing off.....
  Am I the only one still stuck in the 5/40 rut??

  :(

  Rob











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The PST solar telescope is back just in time for clouds. I had two calls yesterday from people who noticed the huge sunspot visually. One guy had noticed it when he glanced at the sun through clouds and then got a welding helmet. I took my helmet out from behind the seat and took a look myself. That is one of the biggest spots I've seen!

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This was lifted from another list, has some "easter eggs" pointed
out on the ESA site.  I thought you all might be interested in it,
and it does go directly to the ESA site, not NASA.

for reference, here is the nasa link
http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/home/index.cfm

.. now for the copied post.

Note: many of you probably don't need the explicit instructions
contained herein. However, this was written for the weather/earth
events list that I've managed for oh, 7+ years now.

Even as an "old space hand," sometimes I am struck again with awe.
Here is the link to the ESA Huygens/Cassini page:

http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Cassini-Huygens/index.html

And for a bit of fun, Brit-style, click on ESOC Spacecraft Operations
on the far-right side, under the little spacecraft and the
headline "Related Links."

The link will take you here, and on this page:

http://www.esa.int/spacecraftops/index.html

In the center of the page, under "More News," Click on "Tomorrow's
Weather on Titan: A Touch Chilly"

Do NOT read the copy first; it will take some of the fun out of it!
Instead, on the upper right side, click on Saturn Broadcasting Corp.
Weather Report; it will take you here:

http://esamultimedia.esa.int/images/titan_weather_fictional.mp3

It will automatically open your Windows Media Player (or your player
of choice that you have set as your default) and you may listen to
the broadcast from one of Titan's radio stations! (Please note that
the URL notes "fictional.") It's a real hoot!

Then wander around the site, return to the first link, and look at
Huygens' first images from Titan. And rejoice--what a marvel!  :)

Patty in OK

It sure got quiet out there. Everyone watching the probe coverage?

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Don't get me wrong--I'm as excited and enthusiastic about
the Cassini-Huygens mission as the next amateur astronomer,
but I was disappointed in the Science Channel show. Somehow
I thought there would be more than just the three raw images
shown. Most of the program was just a dull rehash of mission
background info, and people talking about what they *expect*
to find, as they've been doing for years. I think its purpose
was more a PR exercise than to provide any sort of scientific 
information. And many of the questions posed to the mission
scientists were stupid and inane. A few paraphrased examples:

"How much sleep did you get last night?"
"How much sleep will you get tonight?"
"Is your name just on the probe in English,
  or is it in Titanese also?"
"So, will you find aliens there?"

Sheesh...like Scott said, it's no wonder...

-JC


--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "David Young" <dyoung8@k...> wrote:
> It sure got quiet out there. Everyone watching the probe coverage?

This site can be used to view the latest Titan pic and all the view since the 
craft went into orbit around Saturn.

 NASA Administrator Sean O'Keefe today offered congratulations to the 
European Space Agency (ESA) on the successful touchdown of its Huygens probe on 
Saturn's moon Titan. The probe sent back data for more than 90 minutes after 
reaching the surface. The above image shows a full 360-degree view around Huygens.

and first color pic from the surface too WWOOWWW

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Thanks Jim, this IS a real hoot.
 


Clear skies,

Gary Pittman
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From: jim stephens [mailto:jwstephens@...] 
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 7:13 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] ESA Huygens site


This was lifted from another list, has some "easter eggs" pointed
out on the ESA site.  I thought you all might be interested in it,
and it does go directly to the ESA site, not NASA.

for reference, here is the nasa link
http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/home/index.cfm

.. now for the copied post.

Note: many of you probably don't need the explicit instructions
contained herein. However, this was written for the weather/earth
events list that I've managed for oh, 7+ years now.

Even as an "old space hand," sometimes I am struck again with awe.
Here is the link to the ESA Huygens/Cassini page:

http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Cassini-Huygens/index.html

And for a bit of fun, Brit-style, click on ESOC Spacecraft Operations
on the far-right side, under the little spacecraft and the
headline "Related Links."

The link will take you here, and on this page:

http://www.esa.int/spacecraftops/index.html

In the center of the page, under "More News," Click on "Tomorrow's
Weather on Titan: A Touch Chilly"

Do NOT read the copy first; it will take some of the fun out of it!
Instead, on the upper right side, click on Saturn Broadcasting Corp.
Weather Report; it will take you here:

http://esamultimedia.esa.int/images/titan_weather_fictional.mp3

It will automatically open your Windows Media Player (or your player
of choice that you have set as your default) and you may listen to
the broadcast from one of Titan's radio stations! (Please note that
the URL notes "fictional.") It's a real hoot!

Then wander around the site, return to the first link, and look at
Huygens' first images from Titan. And rejoice--what a marvel!  :)

Patty in OK









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sorry 
the url is here
http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/home/index.


> This site can be used to view the latest Titan pic and all the view since 
> the craft went into orbit around Saturn.
> 
> NASA Administrator Sean O'Keefe today offered congratulations to the 
> European Space Agency (ESA) on the successful touchdown of its Huygens probe on 
> Saturn's moon Titan. The probe sent back data for more than 90 minutes after 
> reaching the surface. The above image shows a full 360-degree view around 
> Huygens.
> 
> and first color pic from the surface too WWOOWWW
> 
> Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@aol.com),
> member,� ASKC-Astronomical Society of Kansas City,
> Olathe, KS. USA,�
> JPL / NASA Solar System Ambassador, Kansas:
> Comets Award Coordinator, Astronomical League,
> http://www.astroleague.org/al/obsclubs/obsclub.html,
> http://www.astroleague.org/al/obsclubs/comet/comet.htm,
> http://members.aol.com/kcstarguy/satoriastronomy/cometaward.htm> or
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> webmaster Eric's Black Sun Eclipse website - <
> http://members.aol.com/kcstarguy/blacksun/eclipse.htm.
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EXOPLANET IMAGE CONFIRMED?

Astronomers may have their long-coveted first image of an extrasolar
planet, thanks to follow-up observations made by the Hubble Space
Telescope. But it all depends on the definition of a "planet." The object
in question does not orbit a normal star. Rather, it orbits a brown
dwarf -- an object containing insufficient mass to sustain the nuclear
fusion reactions that power stars. The brown dwarf is only five times
heavier than its companion.

A French team led by Gael Chauvin (European Southern Observatory) found
the planet candidate in April 2004....

> http://SkyandTelescope.com/news/article_1435_1.asp

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

A BLACK HOLE SWARM

Like mosquitos hovering around a mountain, small black holes swarm around
the supermassive black hole in the core of the Milky Way. According to a
team led by Michael P. Muno (University of California, Los Angeles), there
may be as many as 20,000 stellar-mass black holes lurking within a
three-light-year-wide sphere surrounding the 3-million-solar-mass behemoth
in our galactic center.

Stellar-mass black holes, which contain roughly 5 to 20 solar masses,
often give themselves away when they are part of closely separated binary
systems....

> http://SkyandTelescope.com/news/article_1433_1.asp

Dr. Eric Flescher ( kcstarguy@...), 
Olathe, KS. USA: Aegean Sea eclipse Land Cruise 2006-be there for my #8: 7 
total solar eclipses and counting: 
webmaster Eric's Black Sun Eclipse website - <
http://members.aol.com/kcstarguy/blacksun/eclipse.htm.
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Olathe, KS. USA,   
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Comets Award Coordinator, Astronomical League,
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I guess we should keep in mind that the ESA really needed a sucess. They haven't had much luck with landers so when they actually got something to work they were just beside themselves. The little boo boo they made with the doppler problem had them very worried. Fortunately NASA was able to save their ass by altering the flyby altitude to minimize the doppler shift. Otherwise there wouldn't have been any data.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John Cravens 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 2:32 AM
  Subject: [ASKC] Re: ??



  Don't get me wrong--I'm as excited and enthusiastic about
  the Cassini-Huygens mission as the next amateur astronomer,
  but I was disappointed in the Science Channel show. Somehow
  I thought there would be more than just the three raw images
  shown. Most of the program was just a dull rehash of mission
  background info, and people talking about what they *expect*
  to find, as they've been doing for years. I think its purpose
  was more a PR exercise than to provide any sort of scientific 
  information. And many of the questions posed to the mission
  scientists were stupid and inane. A few paraphrased examples:

  "How much sleep did you get last night?"
  "How much sleep will you get tonight?"
  "Is your name just on the probe in English,
    or is it in Titanese also?"
  "So, will you find aliens there?"

  Sheesh...like Scott said, it's no wonder...

  -JC


  --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "David Young" <dyoung8@k...> wrote:
  > It sure got quiet out there. Everyone watching the probe coverage?











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FYI
Orion Telescopes Sold to Imaginova
http://skyandtelescope.com/news/article_1440_1.asp

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� �� Yesterday's major class M8.6 solar flare is expected to impact the
Earth during the mid to late UTC hours of 16 January (within the next 24
hours) and has the potential to produce moderate to strong levels of auroral
activity across the middle and perhaps even the lower latitude regions late
on 16 and into 17 January (UTC time). For North American observers, the best
opportunity to observe activity will probably be during the evening hours on
16 January (Sunday night).


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Clear sky's right now!!!
Hmmmm....
All the web sites say cloudy ...
Clear as a bell from Gladstone!
Mike Sterling


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Beautiful moon setting in the west but too darn cold for me! Just got back from seeing The Aviator down on the Plaza. A long movie but well done.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 10:40 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] clear skys right now!!!


  Clear sky's right now!!!
  Hmmmm....
  All the web sites say cloudy ...
  Clear as a bell from Gladstone!
  Mike Sterling


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>keep watch tomorrow night and monday... best chances we have had in 
>months... They RARELY say to watch below southern nebraska... and this 
>time its a state lower!


HIGH RISK PERIOD: 16-17 JANUARY (UTC DAYS)
MODERATE RISK PERIOD: 16-18 JANUARY

PREDICTED ACTIVITY INDICES: 50, 70, 30, 12 (16 - 19 JANUARY)

POTENTIAL MAGNITUDE OF LOW LATITUDE AURORAL ACTIVITY: LOW-MODERATE

POTENTIAL DURATION OF THIS ACTIVITY: MAIN BELT = 12-18 HOURS
                                   MINOR BELT = 18-48 HOURS

ESTIMATED OPTIMUM OBSERVING CONDITIONS: NEAR OR AFTER LOCAL MIDNIGHT

EXPECTED LUNAR INTERFERENCE: LOW TO MODERATE

OVERALL OPPORTUNITY FOR OBSERVATIONS FROM MIDDLE LATITUDES: GOOD

AURORAL ACTIVITY *MAY* BE OBSERVED APPROXIMATELY NORTH OF A LINE FROM...
  (THIS LINE IS VALID *ONLY* IF FAVORABLE STORM CONDITIONS OCCUR)

  EXTREME NORTHERN CALIFORNIA TO NORTHERN NEVADA TO UTAH TO COLORADO TO
  SOUTHERN KANSAS AND NORTHERN OKLAHOMA TO ARKANSAS TO TENNESSEE TO SOUTH
  CAROLINA.

Now if we can get a little clear sky to look for it!!

Vic




Vic Winter
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NASA/JPL Solar System Ambassador

Thanks for the heads-up, Vic!  Would you or anybody else have some 
advice for dealing with digital DSLR's (or any camera for that 
matter) in the extreme cold?  Might there be problems with taking 
the cameras into a warm house then out to the cold and then back in 
again. Can they freeze up or can the electronics stop working?  I 
can remember my Nikon FG getting real sluggish on a couple of 
occasions but it's almost a manual camera. Just looking for some 
advice and maybe a word or two from the voices of experience.

Dan Bush
www.missouriskies.com

However, see also:

http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/WEBONLY/publicfeature/oct04/1004titan.htm
l

I concur that ESA has struggled, but this really is a triumph for 
them.

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "David Young" <dyoung8@k...> wrote:
> I guess we should keep in mind that the ESA really needed a sucess. 
They haven't had much luck with landers so when they actually got 
something to work they were just beside themselves. The little boo 
boo they made with the doppler problem had them very worried. 
Fortunately NASA was able to save their ass by altering the flyby 
altitude to minimize the doppler shift. Otherwise there wouldn't have 
been any data.
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: John Cravens 
>   To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 2:32 AM
>   Subject: [ASKC] Re: ??
> 
> 
> 
>   Don't get me wrong--I'm as excited and enthusiastic about
>   the Cassini-Huygens mission as the next amateur astronomer,
>   but I was disappointed in the Science Channel show. Somehow
>   I thought there would be more than just the three raw images
>   shown. Most of the program was just a dull rehash of mission
>   background info, and people talking about what they *expect*
>   to find, as they've been doing for years. I think its purpose
>   was more a PR exercise than to provide any sort of scientific 
>   information. And many of the questions posed to the mission
>   scientists were stupid and inane. A few paraphrased examples:
> 
>   "How much sleep did you get last night?"
>   "How much sleep will you get tonight?"
>   "Is your name just on the probe in English,
>     or is it in Titanese also?"
>   "So, will you find aliens there?"
> 
>   Sheesh...like Scott said, it's no wonder...
> 
>   -JC
> 
> 
>   --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "David Young" <dyoung8@k...> wrote:
>   > It sure got quiet out there. Everyone watching the probe 
coverage?
> 
> 
> 
> 
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I'd like to come down to Powell and look for Comet Machholz and possibly have 
a look at with one of the scopes and/or try to take pics of it with my 
minolta dimage 7 on   a tripod in the dark sky.
Also possible aurora watch. Who will be down there and when? I can come down 
around 9:30. Anybody who is doing the comet award award and wants to get a 
good look at Comet Machholz for the award might want to try tonight if this is 
the only clear night we have (comet is now a little past maximum.

Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), 
member,   ASKC-Astronomical Society of Kansas City,
Olathe, KS. USA,   
JPL / NASA Solar System Ambassador, Kansas: 
Comets Award Coordinator, Astronomical League,
http://www.astroleague.org/al/obsclubs/obsclub.html, 
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David Young didn't give all the particulars to our comet report last
week.

I observed the comet near M45 through the open sun roof of the PT
Cruiser at 199th street moving south at 65 miles per hour.  The comet
was naked eye and then I used binoculars.  The tail was quite fanned
out.

Does this count towards the award?

Joe

A quick look at the yahoo calendar will reveal that Richar Fredrick has reserved Powell for a private night. He made this reservation last week. This does not preclude others from going down but you should respect Richard's reservation of the 30".Anyone is free to use the 16", 12.5", and the grounds outside. A parade of headlights would interfere with his stated objective of deep sky observing and imaging. Bathroom breaks and warm ups are not excluded but you should make a sincere effort to minimize interuptions. 


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: KCStarguy@... 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 8:41 AM
  Subject: [ASKC] powell tonight on the 16th


  I'd like to come down to Powell and look for Comet Machholz and possibly have 
  a look at with one of the scopes and/or try to take pics of it with my 
  minolta dimage 7 on   a tripod in the dark sky.
  Also possible aurora watch. Who will be down there and when? I can come down 
  around 9:30. Anybody who is doing the comet award award and wants to get a 
  good look at Comet Machholz for the award might want to try tonight if this is 
  the only clear night we have (comet is now a little past maximum.

  Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), 
  member,   ASKC-Astronomical Society of Kansas City,
  Olathe, KS. USA,   
  JPL / NASA Solar System Ambassador, Kansas: 
  Comets Award Coordinator, Astronomical League,
  http://www.astroleague.org/al/obsclubs/obsclub.html, 
  http://www.astroleague.org/al/obsclubs/comet/comet.htm,
  http://members.aol.com/kcstarguy/satoriastronomy/cometaward.htm> or 
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I just printed out the astro alert list so I'll have it handy. 

Keep the kids off the phone tonight;-)

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I missed the last aurora. I would like to get on the Astro-Alert 
telephone call list. Who do I contact to get on the call list?
Doug Spalding
Cell: 913-620-3882 (preferred number)
913-681-8491 (home)





--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, Vic Winter <vwinter@i...> wrote:
> 
> >keep watch tomorrow night and monday... best chances we have had 
in 
> >months... They RARELY say to watch below southern nebraska... and 
this 
> >time its a state lower!
> 
> 
> HIGH RISK PERIOD: 16-17 JANUARY (UTC DAYS)
> MODERATE RISK PERIOD: 16-18 JANUARY
> 
> PREDICTED ACTIVITY INDICES: 50, 70, 30, 12 (16 - 19 JANUARY)
> 
> POTENTIAL MAGNITUDE OF LOW LATITUDE AURORAL ACTIVITY: LOW-MODERATE
> 
> POTENTIAL DURATION OF THIS ACTIVITY: MAIN BELT = 12-18 HOURS
>                                    MINOR BELT = 18-48 HOURS
> 
> ESTIMATED OPTIMUM OBSERVING CONDITIONS: NEAR OR AFTER LOCAL MIDNIGHT
> 
> EXPECTED LUNAR INTERFERENCE: LOW TO MODERATE
> 
> OVERALL OPPORTUNITY FOR OBSERVATIONS FROM MIDDLE LATITUDES: GOOD
> 
> AURORAL ACTIVITY *MAY* BE OBSERVED APPROXIMATELY NORTH OF A LINE 
FROM...
>   (THIS LINE IS VALID *ONLY* IF FAVORABLE STORM CONDITIONS OCCUR)
> 
>   EXTREME NORTHERN CALIFORNIA TO NORTHERN NEVADA TO UTAH TO 
COLORADO TO
>   SOUTHERN KANSAS AND NORTHERN OKLAHOMA TO ARKANSAS TO TENNESSEE TO 
SOUTH
>   CAROLINA.
> 
> Now if we can get a little clear sky to look for it!!
> 
> Vic
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Vic Winter
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> Check out our Astronomy/Weather Book! Our Spacious Skies - 
> http://www.icstars.com/ourspaciousskies/oss.html
> StarGarden Foundation - http://www.StarGardenFoundation.org
> Southern Skies Star Party Director - http://www.sssp.org
> NASA/JPL Solar System Ambassador

I'll be at Smithville Lake tonight with scopes - so I won't need to be called 
on the alert list ... and yes I will build a fire down wind and down light.   
:)
I'll be at 'Crow's Nest' campground - come on out!


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The PST revealeed two large sunspot groups and extensive prominences this afternoon. 

Who has my Aruba scope?

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greetings Dan
I just used my sony 828 last night in the exteme cold.
It worked flawlessly. There were a couple of things
that I did to make sure of that... 
1 left the camera in the cab of my truck in the case
to get it acclamated (sp) to the cold thus insuring
that the optics did not get frosty and cloud up my
lenses.
The battery time was going down fast but with 200
minutes it was no problem

Lindin Scott

Just do it...

--- Dan Bush <bushd@...> wrote:

> 
> 
> Thanks for the heads-up, Vic!  Would you or anybody
> else have some 
> advice for dealing with digital DSLR's (or any
> camera for that 
> matter) in the extreme cold?  Might there be
> problems with taking 
> the cameras into a warm house then out to the cold
> and then back in 
> again. Can they freeze up or can the electronics
> stop working?  I 
> can remember my Nikon FG getting real sluggish on a
> couple of 
> occasions but it's almost a manual camera. Just
> looking for some 
> advice and maybe a word or two from the voices of
> experience.
> 
> Dan Bush
> www.missouriskies.com
> 

It's going to be 4 degrees tonight. Have fun.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: mikekansascity@... 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 3:11 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] Smithville Lake & alert list


  I'll be at Smithville Lake tonight with scopes - so I won't need to be called 
  on the alert list ... and yes I will build a fire down wind and down light.   
  :)
  I'll be at 'Crow's Nest' campground - come on out!


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In a message dated 1/16/2005 3:43:03 PM Central Standard Time, 
dyoung8@... writes:
4 degrees -   aaaaaaaaah .....   :)


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Hey, you guys are a bunch of woofs...we will have minus 12 tonight, like last night, but we are a lot closer to most aurora.  At sunset we have only a trace of clouds.  God Bless America.


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Sent: 1/16/2005 3:51:47 PM 
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Smithville Lake & alert list


In a message dated 1/16/2005 3:43:03 PM Central Standard Time, 
dyoung8@... writes:
4 degrees -   aaaaaaaaah .....   :)


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SURFACE OF SATURN'S MOON TITAN REVEALED IN COLOR
------------------------------------------------
Tired and weary after a sleepless night spent sorting through their data,
scientists on Saturday unveiled more pictures returned from the European
Space Agency's Huygens probe that landed on Saturn's moon Titan Friday.

�� http://spaceflightnow.com/cassini/050115pic3.html


SCIENTISTS ELATED WITH QUALITY OF HUYGENS DATA
----------------------------------------------
A missing computer command - apparently the result of human error - caused
the loss of half the pictures taken by Europe's Huygens probe as it
descended to the surface of Saturn's moon Titan. But project officials
said today the 350 pictures that made it back, along with high-quality
data from
the spacecraft's other instruments and unexpected measurements by
Earth-based radio telescopes, should fulfill all of the mission's primary
objectives.

�� http://spaceflightnow.com/cassini/050115science.html

Montage of Huygens pictures:
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EUROPEAN PROBE BECOMES TITAN'S FIRST VISITOR
--------------------------------------------
The European Space Agency's ambitious Huygens probe descended to Saturn's
moon Titan Friday, becoming the first spacecraft to touch the mysterious
world's surface. Titan is believed to resemble conditions of a young
Earth. A mission scientist says the first picture released shows what
could be drainage channels flowing to a possible shoreline.

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Hi David & Eric,

Powell is currently 80 per cent cloud covered with apparently more 
moving in at 8:00p. I'll be here for another 45 minutes shutting 
things down...

Richard Fredrick

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "David Young" <dyoung8@k...> wrote:
> A quick look at the yahoo calendar will reveal that Richar Fredrick 
has reserved Powell for a private night. He made this reservation last 
week. This does not preclude others from going down but you should 
respect Richard's reservation of the 30".Anyone is free to use the 
16", 12.5", and the grounds outside. A parade of headlights would 
interfere with his stated objective of deep sky observing and imaging. 
Bathroom breaks and warm ups are not excluded but you should make a 
sincere effort to minimize interuptions. 
> 
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: KCStarguy@a... 
>   To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 8:41 AM
>   Subject: [ASKC] powell tonight on the 16th
> 
> 
>   I'd like to come down to Powell and look for Comet Machholz and 
possibly have 
>   a look at with one of the scopes and/or try to take pics of it 
with my 
>   minolta dimage 7 on   a tripod in the dark sky.
>   Also possible aurora watch. Who will be down there and when? I can 
come down 
>   around 9:30. Anybody who is doing the comet award award and wants 
to get a 
>   good look at Comet Machholz for the award might want to try 
tonight if this is 
>   the only clear night we have (comet is now a little past maximum.
> 
>   Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@a...), 
>   member,   ASKC-Astronomical Society of Kansas City,
>   Olathe, KS. USA,   
>   JPL / NASA Solar System Ambassador, Kansas: 
>   Comets Award Coordinator, Astronomical League,
>   http://www.astroleague.org/al/obsclubs/obsclub.html, 
>   http://www.astroleague.org/al/obsclubs/comet/comet.htm,
>   http://members.aol.com/kcstarguy/satoriastronomy/cometaward.htm> 
or 
>   (send messages to the network at ) 
CometObserversAwardAL@yahoogroups.com;
>   Subscribe to have your name on the   listserve by sending email to 
  : 
>   CometObserversAwardAL-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
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Diane and I intended to attend the meeting next Sat. Needless to say we did 
not mail our ballots and now have found out we can not be there. All mailed 
ballots had to be postmarked by today, the 15th. Is there any other way we 
can cast our vote?

Regards,
Bill

The Omaha skies have cleared and we have a well defined arc with little action, about 20 degrees high, reaching from east to west like a flat rainbow.  No color, either.  Sort of like a flat cloud.
George & JoDee  Allen

----- Original Message ----- 
From: 
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 1/16/2005 6:51:34 PM 
Subject: [ASKC] more links from titan




SURFACE OF SATURN'S MOON TITAN REVEALED IN COLOR
------------------------------------------------
Tired and weary after a sleepless night spent sorting through their data,
scientists on Saturday unveiled more pictures returned from the European
Space Agency's Huygens probe that landed on Saturn's moon Titan Friday.

   http://spaceflightnow.com/cassini/050115pic3.html


SCIENTISTS ELATED WITH QUALITY OF HUYGENS DATA
----------------------------------------------
A missing computer command - apparently the result of human error - caused
the loss of half the pictures taken by Europe's Huygens probe as it
descended to the surface of Saturn's moon Titan. But project officials
said today the 350 pictures that made it back, along with high-quality
data from
the spacecraft's other instruments and unexpected measurements by
Earth-based radio telescopes, should fulfill all of the mission's primary
objectives.

   http://spaceflightnow.com/cassini/050115science.html

Montage of Huygens pictures:
   http://spaceflightnow.com/cassini/images/050115montage.jpg


EUROPEAN PROBE BECOMES TITAN'S FIRST VISITOR
--------------------------------------------
The European Space Agency's ambitious Huygens probe descended to Saturn's
moon Titan Friday, becoming the first spacecraft to touch the mysterious
world's surface. Titan is believed to resemble conditions of a young
Earth. A mission scientist says the first picture released shows what
could be drainage channels flowing to a possible shoreline.

   http://spaceflightnow.com/cassini/050114science.html


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You can hand deliver the ballots to a member you know is going to attend. Any member can drop your ballots off. Each of you sign the outside of an envelope and place your ballot(s) inside. DO NOT SIGN THE BALLOT ITSELF. 

----- Original Message ----- 
  From: yaesu won 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 9:32 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] Ballot


  Diane and I intended to attend the meeting next Sat. Needless to say we did 
  not mail our ballots and now have found out we can not be there. All mailed 
  ballots had to be postmarked by today, the 15th. Is there any other way we 
  can cast our vote?

  Regards,
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Can't see anything through the city lights here. Kp index is low so probably won't reach this far south.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: George Allen 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 9:29 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] Aurora


  The Omaha skies have cleared and we have a well defined arc with little action, about 20 degrees high, reaching from east to west like a flat rainbow.  No color, either.  Sort of like a flat cloud.
  George & JoDee  Allen

  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: 1/16/2005 6:51:34 PM 
  Subject: [ASKC] more links from titan




  SURFACE OF SATURN'S MOON TITAN REVEALED IN COLOR
  ------------------------------------------------
  Tired and weary after a sleepless night spent sorting through their data,
  scientists on Saturday unveiled more pictures returned from the European
  Space Agency's Huygens probe that landed on Saturn's moon Titan Friday.

     http://spaceflightnow.com/cassini/050115pic3.html


  SCIENTISTS ELATED WITH QUALITY OF HUYGENS DATA
  ----------------------------------------------
  A missing computer command - apparently the result of human error - caused
  the loss of half the pictures taken by Europe's Huygens probe as it
  descended to the surface of Saturn's moon Titan. But project officials
  said today the 350 pictures that made it back, along with high-quality
  data from
  the spacecraft's other instruments and unexpected measurements by
  Earth-based radio telescopes, should fulfill all of the mission's primary
  objectives.

     http://spaceflightnow.com/cassini/050115science.html

  Montage of Huygens pictures:
     http://spaceflightnow.com/cassini/images/050115montage.jpg


  EUROPEAN PROBE BECOMES TITAN'S FIRST VISITOR
  --------------------------------------------
  The European Space Agency's ambitious Huygens probe descended to Saturn's
  moon Titan Friday, becoming the first spacecraft to touch the mysterious
  world's surface. Titan is believed to resemble conditions of a young
  Earth. A mission scientist says the first picture released shows what
  could be drainage channels flowing to a possible shoreline.

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Don't you have a link that doesn't require money before looking at the
pictures.  Spaceflightnow is a charge to see only site.
I think that there should be a site that is free since tax dollars paid for
the trip.

D T

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From: KCStarguy@... [mailto:KCStarguy@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 6:52 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] more links from titan



SURFACE OF SATURN'S MOON TITAN REVEALED IN COLOR
------------------------------------------------
Tired and weary after a sleepless night spent sorting through their data,
scientists on Saturday unveiled more pictures returned from the European
Space Agency's Huygens probe that landed on Saturn's moon Titan Friday.

   http://spaceflightnow.com/cassini/050115pic3.html


SCIENTISTS ELATED WITH QUALITY OF HUYGENS DATA
----------------------------------------------
A missing computer command - apparently the result of human error - caused
the loss of half the pictures taken by Europe's Huygens probe as it
descended to the surface of Saturn's moon Titan. But project officials
said today the 350 pictures that made it back, along with high-quality
data from
the spacecraft's other instruments and unexpected measurements by
Earth-based radio telescopes, should fulfill all of the mission's primary
objectives.

   http://spaceflightnow.com/cassini/050115science.html

Montage of Huygens pictures:
   http://spaceflightnow.com/cassini/images/050115montage.jpg


EUROPEAN PROBE BECOMES TITAN'S FIRST VISITOR
--------------------------------------------
The European Space Agency's ambitious Huygens probe descended to Saturn's
moon Titan Friday, becoming the first spacecraft to touch the mysterious
world's surface. Titan is believed to resemble conditions of a young
Earth. A mission scientist says the first picture released shows what
could be drainage channels flowing to a possible shoreline.

   http://spaceflightnow.com/cassini/050114science.html


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you contact me.   I will put you on it.

     Jackie Beucher
Sales - EMJ - Kansas City
     Ph: 816-483-4140
  Toll free: 800-821-2500
     fax: 816-241-3677


-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Spalding [mailto:boilerhawk@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 1:37 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Re: aurora watch




I missed the last aurora. I would like to get on the Astro-Alert 
telephone call list. Who do I contact to get on the call list?
Doug Spalding
Cell: 913-620-3882 (preferred number)
913-681-8491 (home)





--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, Vic Winter <vwinter@i...> wrote:
> 
> >keep watch tomorrow night and monday... best chances we have had 
in 
> >months... They RARELY say to watch below southern nebraska... and 
this 
> >time its a state lower!
> 
> 
> HIGH RISK PERIOD: 16-17 JANUARY (UTC DAYS)
> MODERATE RISK PERIOD: 16-18 JANUARY
> 
> PREDICTED ACTIVITY INDICES: 50, 70, 30, 12 (16 - 19 JANUARY)
> 
> POTENTIAL MAGNITUDE OF LOW LATITUDE AURORAL ACTIVITY: LOW-MODERATE
> 
> POTENTIAL DURATION OF THIS ACTIVITY: MAIN BELT = 12-18 HOURS
>                                    MINOR BELT = 18-48 HOURS
> 
> ESTIMATED OPTIMUM OBSERVING CONDITIONS: NEAR OR AFTER LOCAL MIDNIGHT
> 
> EXPECTED LUNAR INTERFERENCE: LOW TO MODERATE
> 
> OVERALL OPPORTUNITY FOR OBSERVATIONS FROM MIDDLE LATITUDES: GOOD
> 
> AURORAL ACTIVITY *MAY* BE OBSERVED APPROXIMATELY NORTH OF A LINE 
FROM...
>   (THIS LINE IS VALID *ONLY* IF FAVORABLE STORM CONDITIONS OCCUR)
> 
>   EXTREME NORTHERN CALIFORNIA TO NORTHERN NEVADA TO UTAH TO 
COLORADO TO
>   SOUTHERN KANSAS AND NORTHERN OKLAHOMA TO ARKANSAS TO TENNESSEE TO 
SOUTH
>   CAROLINA.
> 
> Now if we can get a little clear sky to look for it!!
> 
> Vic
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Vic Winter
> ICSTARS Astronomy http://www.icstars.com
> Check out our Astronomy/Weather Book! Our Spacious Skies - 
> http://www.icstars.com/ourspaciousskies/oss.html
> StarGarden Foundation - http://www.StarGardenFoundation.org
> Southern Skies Star Party Director - http://www.sssp.org
> NASA/JPL Solar System Ambassador








 
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Hi Folks, 

Wow, I just see that the Lunar & planetary Lab has released hundreds of the raw "triplet" images from the Huygens lander. They start to be interesting on page 18...page forward from here. 

The top image is from the horizontal pointed camera, the middle one form the 45-degree down camera, and the bottom pic seems to be the "straight-down" camera. 

http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~kholso/triplets18.htm

Really cool - but lots of noise and artifacts of course. I can't wait to see the processed images!

Enjoy!!    Dave H. 

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Hey everyone. The Kp index just went up and the magnitometer had a hissy. We now have aurora. Too bad it's daylight.

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http://www.saturntoday.com/news/viewnews.html?id=999

"Why wait for ESA to get around to this - and have all the fun?"

I will be out of town until Friday. The calendar on the ASKC yahoo site is up to date for January. If you want to reserve a night this week, please contact Randy Thompson, Mitch Glaze, or Mike Sterling.

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--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Beucher, Jackie" <JBeucher@e...> wrote:
> you contact me.   I will put you on it.
> 
>      Jackie Beucher
> Sales - EMJ - Kansas City
>      Ph: 816-483-4140
>   Toll free: 800-821-2500
>      fax: 816-241-3677
>
 
Thank you, Jackie, for the response. I went to the ASKC members site. 
It had the alert list but didn't explain how to get on it. You 
probably already picked up my phone number from my Yahoo post. The 
best number is probably my cell phone (less chance of disturbing 
others in my family). My cell number is 913-620-3882. Thank you for 
adding me to the list.
Doug Spalding

Guess I had better alter the document so folks know who to contact, too!

     Jackie Beucher
Sales - EMJ - Kansas City
     Ph: 816-483-4140
  Toll free: 800-821-2500
     fax: 816-241-3677


-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Spalding [mailto:boilerhawk@...]
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 12:02 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Re: aurora watch




--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Beucher, Jackie" <JBeucher@e...> wrote:
> you contact me.   I will put you on it.
> 
>      Jackie Beucher
> Sales - EMJ - Kansas City
>      Ph: 816-483-4140
>   Toll free: 800-821-2500
>      fax: 816-241-3677
>
 
Thank you, Jackie, for the response. I went to the ASKC members site. 
It had the alert list but didn't explain how to get on it. You 
probably already picked up my phone number from my Yahoo post. The 
best number is probably my cell phone (less chance of disturbing 
others in my family). My cell number is 913-620-3882. Thank you for 
adding me to the list.
Doug Spalding








 
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Joe
Yeah it is a naked eye obervation. 
Record it (illustrate it)   and then include all the other stuff , that 
counts!

Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), 
member,   ASKC-Astronomical Society of Kansas City,
Olathe, KS. USA,   
JPL / NASA Solar System Ambassador, Kansas: 
Comets Award Coordinator, Astronomical League,
http://www.astroleague.org/al/obsclubs/obsclub.html, 
http://www.astroleague.org/al/obsclubs/comet/comet.htm,
http://members.aol.com/kcstarguy/satoriastronomy/cometaward.htm> or 
(send messages to the network at ) CometObserversAwardAL@yahoogroups.com;
Subscribe to have your name on the   listserve by sending email to   : 
CometObserversAwardAL-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

> 
> Message: 4� � � ��
> �� Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 11:59:02 -0600
> �� From: Joe Wright <jswright@...m>
> Subject: Correct report
> 
> David Young didn't give all the particulars to our comet report last
> week.
> 
> I observed the comet near M45 through the open sun roof of the PT
> Cruiser at 199th street moving south at 65 miles per hour.� The comet
> was naked eye and then I used binoculars.� The tail was quite fanned
> out.
> 
> Does this count towards the award?
> 
> Joe
> 
> 



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If anyone does see an aurora, don't send it in the email to the listserve. It 
will be too late. Call David or someone on the phone tree to get the word out 
. Thanks.

Dr. Eric Flescher ( kcstarguy@...), 
Olathe, KS. USA: Aegean Sea eclipse Land Cruise 2006-be there for my #8: 7 
total solar eclipses and counting: 
webmaster Eric's Black Sun Eclipse website - <
http://members.aol.com/kcstarguy/blacksun/eclipse.htm.
>webmaster,   Satori Astronomy website <
http://members.aol.com/kcstarguy/satoriastronomy/satoriastronomy.htm> -editor- Black Sun eclipse newsletter 
(eclipse/astronomy news) to subscribe send email to 
blacksuneclipse-subscribe@yahoogroups.com



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Jackie,
Please remove my name from the list.  I'm in touch with the computer enough 
to keep track.
Thanks
Mike Sterling


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I am sure most of you probably get these alerts, but for those of 
you who dont...
 A s t r o  A l e r t
                              Sun-Earth Alert

                         Solar Terrestrial Dispatch
                           http://www.spacew.com

                             17 January 2005

POWERFUL X-CLASS SOLAR FLARE CREATES STRONG SPACE RADIATION STORM

    A powerful X-class solar flare (class X3.8) erupted from active 
sunspot
Region 10720 at 09:52 UTC (4:52 am EST) on 17 January. This 
remarkable event
involved a steady increase in solar x-ray intensities for a period 
of over 2
hours before beginning a slow decline. X-rays remained above M-class 
levels
for over five and a half hours. The solar explosion was also 
exceptionally
"loud." At frequencies of 10 cm (about 2800 MHz), the explosion was 
over 80
times louder than the background noise of the Sun, registering a 
burst
intensity of 12,000 sfu (the normal background level being about 150 
sfu).
The solar flare and the associated high velocity coronal mass 
ejection
succeeded in accelerating protons to near relativistic velocities, 
arriving
at the Earth within tens of minutes. The huge influx of energetic 
particles
increased the existing space radiation storm from a category S2 to a 
category
S3 event, which is sufficient to be of concern to spacecraft 
operators and
astronauts.

    This event was associated with a high velocity Earthward-directed
coronal mass ejection. Although an analysis of the CME is not yet 
complete,
there is fair certainty that its arrival at the Earth will result in 
periods
of major to severe geomagnetic and auroral storm activity. The 
arrival time
is yet to be determined, but a good guess would probably be later on 
18 and
into 19 January (UTC time).

    Region 10720 still appears to be capable of unleashing additional
energetic solar events, which it may do (perhaps more than once) 
during the
next 5 to 6 days before it transits the western solar limb.

ok, will do.

     Jackie Beucher
Sales - EMJ - Kansas City
     Ph: 816-483-4140
  Toll free: 800-821-2500
     fax: 816-241-3677


-----Original Message-----
From: mikekansascity@... [mailto:mikekansascity@...]
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 12:20 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Re: aurora watch



Jackie,
Please remove my name from the list.  I'm in touch with the computer enough 
to keep track.
Thanks
Mike Sterling


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Smithville Lake Sunday 1/16
     Clears sky until 12:30.  The views were crisp and clear and being 
surrounded by too many deer to count (looked like cow herds at times) and the 
dissonant symphony provided by 1000s of Canadian geese added to the wonderment of 
nature.
    After a roaring start, the fire settled into a big ol pile of red coals, 
and were visited often.  The viewing didn't seem to notice this violation of 
the stargazer's code and the warmth & serenity provided were mucho welcomed at 
14 degrees.  Stars, smores, hot dogs, and coffee pot over the coals - doesn't 
get much better.  Because I didn't want to foul the air with the stench of 
burning boots -  two trips to the car heater did revive the toes. (picnic tables, 
firerings, elect & water hook ups available) (hook ups may be seasonal - not 
sure)
    Seeing???  Not sure I have the experience to gage that.  But, here is 
what I did see naked eye; all 5 stars of Orion's bow, the centered small triangle 
just above Orion's shoulder line, & the Milky Way seemed the same as viewed 
from Powell.  When Jupiter rose it looked like a gold headlight and putting the 
scope on it only an hour later (1:30) revealed one of the clearest images I 
remember, for me.
    The KC sky doom to the South was less than what we have at Powell but, 
the SW Smithville doom was stronger.  Across the frozen lake (N)there are street 
lights from a small residential area.  The lights seemed to produce soft 
points of tan light rather than a glow doom.
    Less than 100 yards from where I usually set up is a playground, 
amphitheater, and bath house.  Might be worth an ASKC family night or public outreach 
sometime.
Mike Sterling


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Tomorrow evening, that is, Tuesday the 18th, from 6:00 - 7:30 PM.  
See http://kancrn.kckps.k12.ks.us/rushton/index.html for location 
info.

As of now (early Monday afternoon), the forecast is for relatively 
clear skies and warm temperatures (above freezing!) for this time of 
year.  May be windy, though.

Heavens Above shows no Iridium flares or ISS or HST passes, but the 
Moon will be high in the south-southeast and both Saturn and the 
Orion Nebula will be well above the eastern horizon by 6:30.  Comet 
Maccholz is still a 4th-magnitude object and will be in Perseus, just 
north of Algol.


--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "David Young" <dyoung8@k...> wrote:
> We have a couple of volunteers and at least one telescope coming. I 
should be able to get there by 5:30 to make sure the StarLab is ready 
to go.
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: JMASHEMER@a... 
>   To: dyoung8@k... 
>   Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 9:12 PM
>   Subject: Hi
> 
> 
>   Hi Doug, 
>   I just wanted to touch base with you about our Math and Science 
Night on Jan. 18th.  As you know it starts at 6 and runs until 7:30.  
Jane Hess is going to bring their Star Lab over in the afternoon so 
we can get it set up.  What time will you be there?  We are going to 
put it in the gym.  We will had out tickets and have a limited amount 
of kids come in at a time.  We are thinking of running 4 15 minutes 
sessions with down time between session.  I am hoping you might be in 
there to give the explanation.  If you can bring your other helpers 
they can assist you or they can be outside looking at stars with the 
kids.  I can send you a map if you would like.  Frank Rushton is very 
easy to find as it is between Mission and Rainbow on 43rd street.  
Have a great week.  Keep in touch.
>                Martha Hemer 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I'll be there.
Mike Sterling


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Great Mike. I think Joe might be coming also. I will be in Great Bend having boring days and nights until Friday.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: mikekansascity@... 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 2:51 PM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] Reminder - Rushton Elementary Science Night


  I'll be there.
  Mike Sterling


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it'll be a bit chilly here in Orange County, Ca, at about 49, but right
now it's 85...

George Allen wrote:

> The Omaha skies have cleared and we have a well defined arc with
> little action, about 20 degrees high, reaching from east to west like
> a flat rainbow.  No color, either.  Sort of like a flat cloud.
> George & JoDee  Allen
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
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I'll bring my little ETX to track the Moon & have David Young's 10" Meade for 
Saturn.  My experience has been that most are wowed by the Moon, Saturn, 
Jupiter, M42, M13, M57 & other visually defined objects. FFO's (fuzzy faint 
objects) seem to elicit: "geeezzz, why did I stand in line for that, what else can 
you show me?"  Although I'm awed and overcome with wonderment when I see a 
galaxy 14 gigatrillion miles away & a diameter 1/2 that, or even the recent comets 
with faint tails millions of miles long, I've rarely heard John & Mary Public 
match the excitement compared to the above mentioned easily distinguishable 
objects.
    This opinion is worth exactly what you paid for it!  NOTHING!  :)
Mike Sterling


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You just can't go wrong with the moon and Saturn.

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  I'll bring my little ETX to track the Moon & have David Young's 10" Meade for 
  Saturn.  My experience has been that most are wowed by the Moon, Saturn, 
  Jupiter, M42, M13, M57 & other visually defined objects. FFO's (fuzzy faint 
  objects) seem to elicit: "geeezzz, why did I stand in line for that, what else can 
  you show me?"  Although I'm awed and overcome with wonderment when I see a 
  galaxy 14 gigatrillion miles away & a diameter 1/2 that, or even the recent comets 
  with faint tails millions of miles long, I've rarely heard John & Mary Public 
  match the excitement compared to the above mentioned easily distinguishable 
  objects.
      This opinion is worth exactly what you paid for it!  NOTHING!  :)
  Mike Sterling


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Mike,

Thanks for telling us of your evening at Smithville Lake.  That's what it's
all about.

You are also correct in your message below.  The general public should be
shown the brightest easiest objects.   We all share the same astronomical
experiences with helping the "newbies".    The "Wow" objects assure that
their first few outings of  standing in long lines viewing through strange
telescopes are successful.  Our ASKC efforts in helping these first-timers
are instrumental for them taking those memories home.  Trying to observe the
faint fuzzies should only come later with more experience at the eyepiece.
Your comments have shown me that you have truly become an observer. You've
viewed many of the beautiful objects in our universe, and you always carry a
grand appreciation from its smallest to its most magnificent wonders.

You spread the passion... Keep it up!

Rett





----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 4:59 PM
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Reminder - Rushton Elementary Science Night


>
> I'll bring my little ETX to track the Moon & have David Young's 10" Meade
for
> Saturn.  My experience has been that most are wowed by the Moon, Saturn,
> Jupiter, M42, M13, M57 & other visually defined objects. FFO's (fuzzy
faint
> objects) seem to elicit: "geeezzz, why did I stand in line for that, what
else can
> you show me?"  Although I'm awed and overcome with wonderment when I see a
> galaxy 14 gigatrillion miles away & a diameter 1/2 that, or even the
recent comets
> with faint tails millions of miles long, I've rarely heard John & Mary
Public
> match the excitement compared to the above mentioned easily
distinguishable
> objects.
>     > Mike Sterling

Thanks Rett - now I'm feeling faint & fuzzy  lol.
Your comment is appreciated.
Mike


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I ran across this story and thought what a year this will be!

http://news.yahoo.com/news?
tmpl=story&u=/afp/20050117/sc_afp/spaceyear_050117202422

 I will be in Great Bend having BORING days.
    Was that a well drillers pun?
Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
Randy
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> Great Mike. I think Joe might be coming also.and nights until Friday.
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Weather.com forecast is now for "mostly cloudy" this evening.  KC 
Clear Sky Clock ain't lookin' good either.  Grrr.

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Randy" <randythm@k...> wrote:
>  I will be in Great Bend having BORING days.
>     Was that a well drillers pun?
> Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
> Randy
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> Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 3:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [ASKC] Reminder - Rushton Elementary Science Night
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Friday.
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> >   Subject: Re: [ASKC] Reminder - Rushton Elementary Science Night
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> >   Mike Sterling

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Randy" <randythm@k...> wrote:
>  I will be in Great Bend having BORING days.
>     Was that a well drillers pun?
> Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
> Randy

Sort of. Kansas sure was flat. This internet access leave a bit to be 
desired. Must be all the natural gas leaking from these oil wells.

Much much thanks to Doug Spalding for his help with the scopes.  That's twice 
in 2 weeks Doug has been a savior through his help.  Joe Wright single 
handily manned the Sky Lab and still managed to please the crowds.  I've seen 
'teams' handle that scenario with less results.  I don't know how he did it.  Guess 
that's why he be da 'PREZ' ...
With students from the countries of Mexico, Guatemala, El Salvador, Cambodia, 
Vietnam, China, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Sudan, Russia, Laos, Thailand, India, 
and Iran; the eleven languages spoken in the school; and the approximately 39% 
African American, 28% Hispanic, 27% White, 5% Asian and 1% American Indian - 
diversity was evident at every glance.
    What an opportunity to hear and see so many diverse 'wows' and "mom - 
look at this."  And all this took place under a cloudy sky with only a veiled 
moon to see.
    This little inner city school had one of the best Science Nights I've 
seen.  In addition to the ASKC, guest presenters also included Bayer, 
Cosmosphere, K U Med, Rockhurst, Bushnell, Science City, Sky lab, and others.
    It was so refreshing to see students and families excited about learning 
& surrounded by a staff committed to helping them any way they can.  What a 
school - what a sight to see - all in the inner city - just another perk of 
membership in ASKC.
    Even if you're brand new to ASKC and know nottin (as I did as a newbie) 
your presence, if in only directing lines can make a big difference at these 
events ... so ... get yo gluteus maximus to the next one and spread some ASKC 
good will.  I guarantee your time will be returned with rewards money can't buy. 
 (heck - you could even bring your kids to help and broaden their exposure 
and horizons).
Is America great or what!
Mike Sterling


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Sounds like you guys had a great time. Did the Bayer guy electrocute 
another pickle? If you have time during the evening, it's a hoot to 
walk around to the different rooms and look at the exhibits. I love 
the motor guy. Joe is great with the StarLab. He does a great job of 
engaging the kids.

It's time to head the wonderfully interesting hazardous materials 
class, yawn. I hope they have some strong coffee!

Mike,
Thank you for your comments. You, as well, did another awesome job 
with the kids and their parents. Your enthusiasm for astronomy is 
terrific and contagious. You are a great ambassador for ASKC. It is 
always a pleasure to work with you and to spread the fun of astronomy 
to others.
Doug Spalding




--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, mikekansascity@a... wrote:
> Much much thanks to Doug Spalding for his help with the scopes.  
That's twice 
> in 2 weeks Doug has been a savior through his help.  Joe Wright 
single 
> handily manned the Sky Lab and still managed to please the crowds.  
I've seen 
> 'teams' handle that scenario with less results.  I don't know how 
he did it.  Guess 
> that's why he be da 'PREZ' ...
> With students from the countries of Mexico, Guatemala, El Salvador, 
Cambodia, 
> Vietnam, China, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Sudan, Russia, Laos, 
Thailand, India, 
> and Iran; the eleven languages spoken in the school; and the 
approximately 39% 
> African American, 28% Hispanic, 27% White, 5% Asian and 1% American 
Indian - 
> diversity was evident at every glance.
>     What an opportunity to hear and see so many diverse 'wows' 
and "mom - 
> look at this."  And all this took place under a cloudy sky with 
only a veiled 
> moon to see.
>     This little inner city school had one of the best Science 
Nights I've 
> seen.  In addition to the ASKC, guest presenters also included 
Bayer, 
> Cosmosphere, K U Med, Rockhurst, Bushnell, Science City, Sky lab, 
and others.
>     It was so refreshing to see students and families excited about 
learning 
> & surrounded by a staff committed to helping them any way they 
can.  What a 
> school - what a sight to see - all in the inner city - just another 
perk of 
> membership in ASKC.
>     Even if you're brand new to ASKC and know nottin (as I did as a 
newbie) 
> your presence, if in only directing lines can make a big difference 
at these 
> events ... so ... get yo gluteus maximus to the next one and spread 
some ASKC 
> good will.  I guarantee your time will be returned with rewards 
money can't buy. 
>  (heck - you could even bring your kids to help and broaden their 
exposure 
> and horizons).
> Is America great or what!
> Mike Sterling
> 
> 
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What do you think they'll make the coffee with David?
Tim L
--- dyoung8us <dyoung8@...> wrote:

> 
> Sounds like you guys had a great time. Did the Bayer
> guy electrocute 
> another pickle? If you have time during the evening,
> it's a hoot to 
> walk around to the different rooms and look at the
> exhibits. I love 
> the motor guy. Joe is great with the StarLab. He
> does a great job of 
> engaging the kids.
> 
> It's time to head the wonderfully interesting
> hazardous materials 
> class, yawn. I hope they have some strong coffee!
> 
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FYI...I'm going to print up about 50 for the meeting. Is that enough?
Marcia

It depends on how many will show up.  We might have a large turnout  for the 
vote.  We might have as many as 100 but more likely like 80.
Tim


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--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, TKristl100@a... wrote:
> It depends on how many will show up.  We might have a large turnout
 for the 
> vote.  We might have as many as 100 but more likely like 80.

Historically as far back as I can remember, January has typically been
a record month with attendence hitting near 100, regardless of what
was on the schedule. January seemed to bring everyone out.
Considering we have 1)Michael Bakich as speaker and 2)the DDS vote, it
would not surprise me one bit to see 100-150 people present.
Helen is figuring on minimum 100 for refreshments.

Rob

We have another request for a science night on Monday, Feb. 7th from
6:30 to 8:00pm at the John Nowlin Elem. school in Blue Springs.

I have requested more information to be sent.

Any takers?

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, beany landreth <b_landreth@y...> wrote:
> What do you think they'll make the coffee with David?
> Tim L

They usually concentrate on how not to blow yourself up so you tend 
to be alert without strong coffee anyway.

Penciling it in ... I'm mostly using a 10" Hardin Optical f/5 these 
days.

Looks like no Moon, but with M42, the Double Cluster, Saturn, and 
Maccholz telescopic, there will be plenty to look at if the clouds 
stay away.

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, Joe Wright <jswright@k...> wrote:
> We have another request for a science night on Monday, Feb. 7th from
> 6:30 to 8:00pm at the John Nowlin Elem. school in Blue Springs.
> 
> I have requested more information to be sent.
> 
> Any takers?

We have a message on our answering machine-
A lady at Mill Creek school (?)  had someone cancel out for a telescopic show and tell for Jan 25

Dr Gielker suggested she call us

Before I call back and say it's too short notice, is anyone interested?

(I have been fighting a cold/ear infection since Jan 2 and figure it would not be wise to go out myself)

Thanks

Kathy Machin

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That would be next Tuesday the 25th?  I can probably do it.  Da you have a 
name & phone contact?
Mike Sterling


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Mikey, I kin hep.

Dick H


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That would be next Tuesday the 25th?  I can probably do it.  Da you have a 
name & phone contact?
Mike Sterling


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Liz?
A family night


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I received the following occultation alert from David Dunham at ALPO, and  
wanted to pass it along. 
 
Ed Flaspoehler, AAAA
 
 
We need your help to cover tomorrow night's (late Friday
evening's, now  THIS evenings's) occultation of 9.4-mag. SAO 76865 by
1098 Hakone (Sat.  morning in Iberia).  First, some more information
about locating the  taret star is given below, followed by a station
list.  I will  distribute an updated station list shortly before I
leave to observe the  occultation myself at about 5 pm EST today,
Friday; after that, I'll be  reachable only by cell phone at 301-526-
5590 until about 3 hours after the  event.  Clear Sky Clock's
forecast is quite favorable for the  Mid-Atlantic region, but rather
poor from s. West Virginia to Texas; I don't  know about southern
Iberia, where the event will also occur.  Let me  know your plans to
observe the event, which will occur at 10:48 pm EST across  northern
Virginia, southern Maryland, southern Delaware, and southern  New
Nersey, but the uncertainty is large enough for this relatively
bright  star, but small asteroid and narrow (25 km) path, that it
could occur as far  north as the Washington, DC area, or as far south
as Richmond, VA.   Dress warmly since it will be very cold;
fortunately, little if any wind is  predicted.  I can loan extra
video timing equipment, even telescopes, to  those in or near (or
travelling to) the path in Maryland; if the clouds  appear to be
moving in a little more quickly than predicted, I may go to  the
Delmarva peninsula to observe.  There will be in a couple of  hours
an even better occultation of an 8.7-mag. star by the asteroid  1084
Tamariwa from British Columbia to North Carolina, but Clear Sky
Clock  shows it will be cloudy along virtually that whole path, with
the best chance  to see it perhaps in southern Indiana.

The target  star for the Hakone occultation is at J2000
RA 8h 59m 41.9s, Dec +25 deg. 41'  19" in Cancer about 7 deg.
northeast of the Praesepe cluster and 1.4 deg.  northwest of 6th-mag.
nu Cancri; allow as much time as possible to find it  since the 90%
sunlit Moon will be 43 deg. away, making it possibly a  little
difficult to find.  Use the good star charts of different scales  for
this event on Preston's Web site at  http://www.asteroidoccultation.com
which also has path maps and details of  the event.  If an
occultation occurs, a large 4-mag. drop to the 14th  mag. of the
asteroid (you don't need to see it, just the star) will occur for  up
to 2 seconds for a central occultation.

Below  is a first version of the station list for this event
indicating possible  coverage of the event.  If I don't have your
station, please send your  location information so that I can include
you in another update this  afternoon; I can get your coordinates if
you supply your postal street  address.  Let me know if you plan to
observe and aren't so indicated in  the station table below, so I can
include you in the next update to help  mobile observers from
duplicating your chord.  You can suggest a station  from the list, or
you can send me your planned location, if it's not in the  list.

Stations for the Hakone occultation of 2005 January 21  (22 UT)

Below is a list of observer stations sorted  by distance from
Steve Preston's updated (as of Dec. 26) central line.   Distances are
given in km measured perpendicularly from the central  line.  The
time gives the updated time (U.T.) of closest approach (the  U.T.
date is 2005 Jan. 22, or evening of Jan. 21 in North America),  when
the occultation should occur, within an accuracy of about  +/-0.2
minute, at the location.  You only need to monitor the star for  an
occultation within a 2-minute period centered on the time of  closest
approach for your location (to check for occultations by  possible
satellites of Hakone).  For all locations, the event will  occur
during 3h UT (11 pm EST or 10 pm CST).  You can search for your  city
or name with a word processor to find your time and distance from
the  predicted central line.

NOTE:  The table needs to be displayed  and/or printed with a fixed-
space font such as Courier for the columns to  line up properly, and
with a small font, possibly 8 or 9 point, to prevent  line wrapping.
In the e-mail message, the lines are long enough that some (or  many)
of the lines will wrap .  As can be seen from the list,  observers
some distance from the path have a chance to see the  occultation,
and observers at least within the +/-2-sigma range (distance 88  km
N. to 88 km S.) are strongly encouraged to attempt observation.
Under  C, I will put * for a committed fixed-site observer, V = *
with video, v =  not yet confirmed but probable fixed-site observer,
and m = tentative  location for mobile observer, and M = tentative
location for mobile video  observer.  W = V or M that will probably
be clouded out, while w = * or  m that will probably be clouded out;
for these, don't count on their  coverage, but if mobile, try not to
set up right at their chord just in case  they get a lucky break in
the clouds.  So far, I know of no observers  planning to try this
relatively bright event except for Kerry Coughlin, who  plans to
observe from the path center in Baja California.

Jan. 22
Dist.     U.T. W.Long.   Lat.    h City/  State/  Observer or
km   C h   m     o       o      m  Town  Country Observatory
153N   3 47.8  75.939 40.107 100 Narvon   PA   Dick Sauder
152N   3 47.7  74.646  40.346  43 Princton NJ       AAAP  Parker,Johnson
151N   3 48.0  77.230 39.830    0 Gettysbg PA       Mike Hayden
149N   3  49.8  95.500 35.084  65 Conway   AR     AR SkyObs,C.Sherrod 12"
144N   3  39.9   1.078 38.962 687 ES M110  VIS 2002 1016 Carles  Schnabel
142N   3 47.8  75.310 40.125  72 Plymouth  PA       ColonialObs.D'Egidio
142N   3  48.0  77.720 39.640   0 Hagerstn MD       Rod  Martin
132N   3 47.8  75.573 39.977 143 WEST CHE  PA       CLIFFORD J. BADER
130N   3  47.9  76.691 39.732   0 NewFredm PA        Harry Bates Mapsonus
127N   3 47.9  76.987 39.650 226  Wstmnstr MD       WAS BearBrchNatCtr
126N --  Northern limit with very unlikely 3-sigma north shift
126N    3 39.9   1.131 38.794 920 ES L70   VIS 2002 1016 Joan  Lopez
123N   3 47.8  75.383 39.931   0  Media    PA       John Kemtz
123N   3 47.8  75.652 39.879 125 KENNETTS PA     KAUER~JAMES CHARLES
123N   3 47.8  75.602  39.888  89 ChadsFrd PA       Alfred Webber
123N   3 48.5  82.430 38.410   0 Huntngtn WV   Jeff Ball
122N   3 47.8  75.349  39.927  81 Sprgnfld PA       Don D'Egidio  home
121N   3 47.8  75.161 39.952  30 Phldlphi  PA       Deborah Goldader
120N   3  47.9  76.872 39.607 268 Hampsted MD       Marc  Damashek
118N   3 47.9  76.983 39.562   0  Wstmnstr MD       Brian Eney WAS
114N    3 48.0  77.081 39.505 235 Marston  MD        Obs.,Curt Roelle
114N   3 48.0  77.420  39.430   0 FREDRICK MD       Mobile from DC  area
113N   3 47.8  75.634 39.784  83 MontCuba  DE       Mt.CubaObs.,DE A.S.
112N   3  47.6  74.155 40.053   0 BRICK    NJ     FINK~RICHARD
105N   3 47.7  74.379  39.946  50 Whiting  NJ       Arcturus Ob  P.Gitto
105N   3 47.8  75.760 39.680   0  Newark   DE       Dan Dunlap
103N   3 47.9  76.800 39.460   0 Reisters MD   Richard Schoen
102N   3 47.9   76.340 39.540   0 Bel Air  MD       HCAS L.  Hubble
102N   3 48.0  77.058 39.391   0  Woodbine MD       Ray Sterner
100N   3  47.9  76.918 39.402 160 Ldersbrg MD       Ken  Adcock
100N   3 47.9  76.949 39.395 204 Eldrsbrg  MD       Vince Pearman
100N   3  48.0  77.206 39.342 183 Mt Airy  MD       George  Varros
98N   3 47.9  76.934 39.384   0  Eldersbu MD       2003 428GeorgeSauter
96N   3 47.9  76.160 39.520   0 Aberdeen MD   Phil Dykstra
95N   3 48.1   78.195 39.086  34 StephnsC VA       John  Brooks
94N   3 40.1   3.191  38.949   0 1997 1 6 J. Roe Spain
94N   3  48.0  77.206 39.288   0 Damascus MD        Hands On Optics
94N   3 48.0  77.054 39.318 171  CarrsMil MD       Howard Ast League
91N   3 47.9  76.624 39.376   0 Towson    MD       A.Storrs, Bates, WHW
91N   3 48.0  77.380 39.220   0 Barnesvl MD   John Menke
90N   3 48.0   76.910 39.310 168 AlphaRdg MD       Howard Ast  League
88N -- Northern limit with unlikely but possible 2-sigma  north shift
88N   3 47.9  76.854 39.304 100  ElicotCi MD       Schindhelm et al.
86N   3 48.0  77.862 39.078   0 Savage    VA       NOVAC via Stewart
86N   3  47.9  76.623 39.332 140 Baltimor MD       BAS BlmbObs  Tolea
86N   3 47.9  76.554 39.341  69  E.Baltmr MD       Jonathan Anderson
84N   3 48.0  76.993 39.231 180 Dayton   MD   Gary Frishkorn
83N   3 47.8   75.778 39.471   0 Warwick  MD       Gary  Kiser
82N   3 47.9  76.470 39.320   0  Essex    MD       Dale Lehman
81N   3 49.4  90.770 35.830   0 Jonesbor AR   Paul Qualtieri
81N   3 47.9   76.612 39.282  18 Baltimor MD       MD Sci. Ctr.  Obs.
79N   3 48.0  77.253 39.135  50  Gaithrsb MD       Pan; Gemeny, etc.
79N   3 47.9  76.834 39.219 100 Columbia MD     Peter Chen
79N   3 49.0  86.450  36.990   0 BowlGren KY        Hackney,Wright,etc.
79N   3 40.2   3.966  38.965 630 ES L60   VIS 2002 0325 Manuel Iglesias
79N   3 49.9  96.138 34.184 171 Lone Star TX     W  Barry Smith, 24"
76N   3 48.0  77.002  39.155   0 Ashton   MD       Greg  Mort
75N   3 48.0  76.898 39.169  50 A P  L    MD       N. field AC site
73N   3 48.0  77.411 39.044  91 Sterling VA     Patrick Lowry
73N   3 48.0  77.533  39.017   0 Parsells VA       NOVAC via  Stewart
72N   3 48.0  77.382 39.038  91  STERLING VA       ROBERT STEWART
71N   3 48.0  77.379 39.028   0 Sterling VA   Peter Gural
69N   3 47.9   76.658 39.162  29 McPhersn MD       s.BWI F.Pk mobile  site
68N   3 48.0  76.843 39.114  68  Laurel   MD       2003 428David  Skillman
64N   3 48.3  79.824 38.442 886  GreenbankWV       Bob Anderson
64N   3 47.9  76.767 39.090   0 TiptonFd MD   mobile site
63N   3 48.0   77.097 39.012   0 Bethesda MD       Mikael  Reardon
63N   3 48.0  77.340 38.960   0  Reston   VA       Ken Short
63N   3 48.0  77.126 39.003  79 BETHESDA MD     JAY H. MILLER
61N   3 48.0  77.699  38.870 288 Haymarkt VA       Hopewell Obs.
61N   3 47.8  75.610 39.290   0 SMYRNA    DE       Delaware observers?
61N    3 47.8  75.040 39.400   0 Millvill NJ        Fred Schaaf
60N   3 48.0  77.108 38.978  98  Bethesda MD       John Wetmore
59N   3 48.0  76.956 39.002  53 ColegPrk MD     UMD Ob.,E. Warner
58N   3 48.0   76.827 39.021  53 GORF16IN Beltsvil Wayne H. Warren Jr.
58N   3 48.0  76.866 39.007  50 Greenblt MD     GAC Northway Field
58N   3 48.0   77.000 38.980   0 TAKOMA P MD       HAROLD  WILLIAMS
57N   3 40.7   9.033 39.750   30 2001 9 8 Spain    Marinha Grande, P
57N    3 48.0  77.273 38.919   0 Vienna   VA     2003 428J. Guerber
55N   3 48.0   76.869 38.986  53 GREENBLT MD       DAVID W.  DUNHAM
55N   3 48.0  76.773 38.999   0  BOWIE    MD       ANDREW W. SEACORD  II
54N   3 48.0  76.796 38.986  50  GlennDaleMD       Joe Sedlak
54N    3 48.0  77.195 38.903   0 FallsChc VA        Alan Fiala
53N   3 48.0  77.068  38.922   0 WASHNGTN DC       MASON~BRIAN  U.S.N.O.
52N   3 48.0  76.748 38.980    0 Bowie    MD       Glenn Bock
52N   3 47.8  75.522 39.222   0 Milford  DE   Eric Rick Barnes
51N   3  48.0  76.834 38.949  50 Lanham   MD     ai Sol. J. Carrico
50N   3 48.0   76.761 38.956  49 Bowie    MD       Sruti  Sathyanadan
50N-- 3 48.0  77.000 38.905   0 **  1sigma n.limit, occ'n very possible
49N   3 48.0   76.799 38.940  53 Woodmore MD       Chuck  Quintero
46N   3 48.0  76.725 38.926    0 Bowie    MD       Rohith  Adavikolanu
46N   3 47.9  76.500  38.970   0 Annapols MD       M.Shea &  J.Huddle
46N   3 48.0  77.090 38.850    0 Arlngton VA       Scott Fearing
46N   3 40.6   8.384 39.523  90 2002 212 Rui Gonc  alves, Linhaceira, Port
45N   3 47.8  75.530  39.160   0 DOVER       DE
44N   3 47.7  74.625 39.324   8 SomersPt NJ   Michael Gille
44N   3 48.0   76.732 38.904   0 Bowie    MD       John  Wood
43N   3 49.4  90.999 35.390   0  Hickory  AR       Tillman Kennon
43N   3 48.1  78.467 38.533   0 BigMedos VA   NOVAC via Stewart
42N   3  48.0  77.116 38.810   0 Alxndria VA        Robert L. Gent
40N   3 48.0  77.575 38.695   85 Nokesvil VA       Sam Somers
40N   3 48.0  77.106 38.787   0 ALEXANDR VA   ROBERT N. BOLSTER
39N   3  48.0  77.350 38.733   0 Nicklasn VA        NOVAC via Stewart
37N   3 47.8  75.570  39.070   0 WOODSIDE    DE    US13 possible  mobile
36N   3 47.9  76.078 38.965  20 Wye  Mill MD       mobile site Dunham
36N   3 48.0  76.903 38.793  73 TEMPL HL MD     RICHARD J. TAIBI
35N   3 48.1   77.717 38.617   0 Crockett VA       NOVAC via  Stewart
35N   3 47.9  75.930 38.980   0  Tuckahoe MD       St.Park star party
34N   3 47.8  75.570 39.040   0 VIOLA     DE    US13 possible mobile
33N   3 47.9  76.633 38.817   0 Greenock MD   possible mobile
30N   3 47.8   75.580 39.000   0 FELTON      DE    US13  possible mobile
29N   3 48.0  76.636 38.781   36 McKendre MD       R. Taibi meteor
28N   3 48.0  76.767 38.750   0 Croom MD     possible mobile
28N   3  48.0  77.265 38.645  49 WOODBRID VA       BRIAN W.  & CATHY S.
24N   3 48.0  76.833  38.695   0 Brandywine MD     MD381 e. of  US301
21N   3 47.8  75.580 38.920   0  HARRINGTON  DE    US13 possible mobile
20N   3 48.2  79.017 38.200   0 Verona    VA       Karaffa & Wine
20N    3 48.0  76.833 38.660  58 Cedarville MD     Dent &  Bee Oak Rd.
17N   3 48.0  76.872 38.617  59  Waldorf MD        e. MD5 & Poplar Mill
16N   3 47.9  76.062 38.770   0 Easton MD     alternate n. or s.
15N   3  47.8  75.580 38.860   0 FARMINGTON  DE    US13  possible mobile
15N   3 40.1   3.618 38.277  590 ES M300  VIS 2002 0730 Emilio Hidalgo
12N --3  48.0  77.000 38.548   0 ** northern limit ** predicted northern  limi
10N   3 47.9  76.073 38.717  15  Stumptown, MD     DWD (712) s of Easton
10N   3 47.8  75.590 38.810   0 GREENWOOD    DE    US13 possible mobile
10N   3  47.8  74.910 38.940   0 Cape May NJ        planning only
8N   3 48.0  76.821  38.547   0 Hughesvl MD       MICHAEL  CAPOBIANCO
6N   3 40.6   8.583 39.181   10 2001 9 8 C. Reis,  Almeirim, PT
5N   3  49.0  86.514 36.260   0 Boonevil TN        W.Kirbo c/oDegenhardt
3N   3 48.0  77.133  38.437   2 Nanjemoy MD       S. MD. Astro.  Soc.
3N   3 49.1  87.243 36.043 222  Antioch  TN       Dudley Pitts
3N   3 48.0  76.760 38.510   0 ChrlotHl MD     Jeff Hunt
3N   3 47.8  75.600  38.740   0 BRIDGEVILLE DE    US13 possible mobile
0S --3 48.0  77.000 38.432   0 Center s.Maryland UT  03:48:00
0S M 3 51.1 109.000?28.811?  0 Center Baja   Kerry Coughlin
2S   3 48.0   77.460 38.320   0 FRDRKSBG VA       David  Wilson
3S   3 49.3  89.899 35.255  76  MEMPHIS  TN       JAMES E. HONEY
5S   3 49.0  86.300 36.210   0 Lebanon  TN   Tim Farris Cumb. U.
6S   3  50.0  97.048 33.054 183 Lewisvil TX       AAAA, Weems  Smith Hutto
7S   3 47.9  75.620  38.640   0 SEAFORD     DE    US13 possible  mobile
8S   3 47.9  76.070 38.545   0  s.Cambridge MD    alternate n. or s.
8S   3  49.0  86.805 36.052   0 Nashville TN      Dyer  Obs., C14 Barnard
12S --3 48.0  77.000 38.315   0  ** predicted southern limit **
13S   3 47.9   76.016 38.507   5 Indianbone, MD    DWD (712) se  Cambridge
14S   3 50.0  96.670 33.100    0 Allen    TX       Keith Shank, C11 &  ST6
14S   3 48.3  79.440 37.780   0  Lexingto VA       I-81 mobile site
18S   3 47.9  75.570 38.550   0 LAUREL     DE    US13 possible mobile
26S   3  50.1  97.375 32.746 198 FORT WORTH  TX    DON GARLAND -  DIANA
28S   3 47.9  75.580 38.450   0  DELMAR      MD    US13 possible mobile
29S   3 50.1  97.500 32.681  55 GRANDPRA TX     FLEMING~TOM
29S   3 48.1  77.517  38.048  72 Ladysmth VA       mobile site  Dunham
31S   3 50.1  97.456 32.670 206 BENBROOK  TX       JOHN WILLIAMS
31S   3  48.0  77.354 38.059  67 BowlngGn VA       mobile  site Dunham
34S   3 48.3  79.969 37.473 400  Fincastl VA       John Goss RVAS
34S   3 50.0  96.604 32.921 154 Garland  TX     Paul J. Newman
35S   3 50.0  96.795  32.852 174 Dallas   TX       John L.  Cotton
37S   3 48.0  76.425 38.195   0  StMaryCl MD       Dave Humm
37S    3 47.9  75.600 38.360   0 SALISBURY   MD     US13 possible mobile
38S   3 50.0  96.460  32.930   0 Rockwall TX       Hafey,  Chaz
41S   3 50.0  96.794 32.786 200  Dallas   TX       Pandt Zimme
44S   3 50.1  97.141 32.646   0 Arlington   TX     Russell Johnson
47S   3  49.0  86.344 35.797 191 MURFREES TN       SCOTT M.  DEGENHARDT
47S   3 49.1  87.040  35.610   0 Columbia, TN      Bryan  Lewis
50S   3 48.1  77.521 37.852  69  Oliver   VA       Robert Oldham
50S --3 48.0  77.000 37.960   0 ** 1sigma s.limit, occ'n very  possible
51S   3 50.2  98.217 32.220 415 Stephenv  TX       Douglas Mayo, 8"C
56S   3  50.2  98.133 32.203 415 Stephenv TX       Ben  Hudgens
56S   3 48.0  76.320 38.037   0  Point Lookout MD  end of MD route 5
58S   3  40.7   9.274 38.705  13 1988 3 8 Garcia/Goncalves, Lisbon,  PT
58S   3 48.4  80.079 37.212 490 Roanoke   VA       Michael Good RVAS
59S   3  50.1  96.894 32.581 226 De Soto  TX       Donald  Stotz, s. Dallas
60S   3 48.1  77.467  37.760   0 Ashland  VA       I-95 exit,  mobile
61S   3 40.7   9.324 38.685  50  2001 9 8 A. Cidad Oeiras, PT
61S   3 40.7    9.346 38.687  56 2001 9 8 C.Saraiv P.Figueiredo,Carcave
68S   3 48.1  77.640 37.648  64 RICHMOND VA     DONALD A. MCAFEE
73S   3 40.6    8.917 38.500  40 2001 9 8 R. Nunes, P. Coelho, Setubal, PT
76S   3 48.1  77.551 37.595   0 Richmond VA   Randy Tatum vid.
78S   3  48.1  77.370 37.610   0 Mchncsvl VA       Ken  Wilson
79S   3 40.6   8.476 38.361  28  2001 9 8 C. Marciano, Alcacer do Sal, PT
83S   3  48.8  83.870 36.080   0 Knoxvill TN        Nick Cook
86S   3 48.1  77.261 37.560  37  ColdHrbr VA       mobile site Dunham
88S --  Southern limit with unlikely but possible 2-sigma south shift
90S   3 40.5   8.103 38.184  50 2001 9 8 C. Oliveira,  Alvito, PT
95S   3 40.0   3.385  37.182   0 2001 9 8 J.L. Ortiz, Granada
108S   3  40.0   3.385 37.064 350 1999 702 D.Fernan dez-Barba/I.Ribas,  Gran
121S   3 49.0  86.193 35.126 294 BELVIDER TN   C.Smith c/oDegenhardt
126S -- Southern limit with  very unlikely 3-sigma south shift
127S   3 48.5  81.412  36.251 945 Ashevill NC       D.Caton,DarkSkyObs
129S   3 48.0  76.717 37.269  35 Wiliamsb VA     William&Mary Col.
134S   3 48.4   80.276 36.446 282 w. N. Carolina    Mike Bruce
139S   3 40.0   3.333 36.750 200 2001 9 8 K. Daiffallah,  Algieria
142S   3 49.1  86.781 34.768 230 Madison   AL       David Nance, C8
149S   3  48.0  76.450 37.127  12 Yorktown VA       Michael  Klosterman
155S   3 50.2  97.200 31.542  60  WACO     TX       MCANALLY~JOHN W.
155S   3 48.0  76.376 37.087   6 Langley  VA   Hampton 16in pe
157S   3 49.8   93.846 32.583   0 Blanchrd LA       CLaude  Baines
173S   3 48.0  76.436 36.905   2  Suffolk  VA       Tidewater CC Ob via
180S   3 48.0  76.393 36.848   3 CHESAPEK VIRGINIA  DENNIS A. ROWLEY

David Dunham, 2005 Jan. 21, 8h UT
Phones home  301-474-4722; office 240-228-5609; cell  301-526-5590
Office e-mail  (today 10 am - 3 or 4 pm) david.dunham@...;
I can't access this  account, dunham@..., from my  office.






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Just wanted to give everyone a heads-up.  All Celestron telescopes at
H.M.S. Beagle are 20 percent off.

H.M.S. Beagle is located in Parkville, Mo., 180 English Landing Drive
in the English Landing Centre.

Clear Skies,
Leif

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, eflaspo@a... wrote:
> I received the following occultation alert from David Dunham at
ALPO, and  
> wanted to pass it along. 
>  
> Ed Flaspoehler, AAAA
>  
>  
> We need your help to cover tomorrow night's (late Friday
> evening's, now  THIS evenings's) occultation of 9.4-mag. SAO 76865 by
> 1098 Hakone (Sat.  morning in Iberia). 


Ed -
Wrong organization. David Dunham is IOTA not ALPO


Rob Robinson
VP of Occultation Services
IOTA

 
In a message dated 1/21/2005 4:40:37 PM Central Standard Time,  
webmaster@... writes:

Ed  -
Wrong organization. David Dunham is IOTA not ALPO


Yep. You caught me in a moment when synapses fired incorrectly!
 
Ed


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fyi see below
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� � �� I don't know if you have heard but Space.com is reporting that "White
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is also reporting that this would mean NO robotic mission either. The link to
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� � � With best wishes always, I am,

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� � � Chairman
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I read an article in the BlueValley/Leawood Neighborhood News section of the
KC Star about "Soccer complex would be first-rate."  The developer plans
facility near 175th and Pflumm.

Is this the mega-complex that was discussed earlier in the email group?  Its
proposed to be 157 acres with 125 acres of indoor and outdoor soccer fileds,
office space, fast food restaurants, a bar and grill and a sport equipment
store, possibly a beauty shop.

Hey, maybe we should try to add office space, fast food restaurants, a bar
and grill and a sport equipment store, possibly a beauty shop to Powell to
help generate revenue since we won't be able to see the night sky anymore...
Weld the dome shutter shut, get a starball, large screen TVs, have David and
Joe fire up the BBQ grill and turn Powell into a space planetarium sports
bar!!!!  We'll work on the liquor license later.

PLEASE DON'T TAKE MY OBSERVATORY KEY AWAY!  I'M JUST BEING MY SATURDAY
MORNING CYNNICAL SELF!

Signed either tongue-in-cheek or foot-in-mouth-ed-ly,

Rick Henderson

I agree with you, Rick.  "Progress" in spite of ourselves! I think some
developers won't be happy until every square centimeter of the earth is
covered in concrete and lit by neon lights!

Farewell, yon stars.  It was a joy to know thee!


Dick H


-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Henderson [mailto:rhenderson1@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 10:56 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Soccer Complex Question



I read an article in the BlueValley/Leawood Neighborhood News section of the
KC Star about "Soccer complex would be first-rate."  The developer plans
facility near 175th and Pflumm.

Is this the mega-complex that was discussed earlier in the email group?  Its
proposed to be 157 acres with 125 acres of indoor and outdoor soccer fileds,
office space, fast food restaurants, a bar and grill and a sport equipment
store, possibly a beauty shop.

Hey, maybe we should try to add office space, fast food restaurants, a bar
and grill and a sport equipment store, possibly a beauty shop to Powell to
help generate revenue since we won't be able to see the night sky anymore...
Weld the dome shutter shut, get a starball, large screen TVs, have David and
Joe fire up the BBQ grill and turn Powell into a space planetarium sports
bar!!!!  We'll work on the liquor license later.

PLEASE DON'T TAKE MY OBSERVATORY KEY AWAY!  I'M JUST BEING MY SATURDAY
MORNING CYNNICAL SELF!

Signed either tongue-in-cheek or foot-in-mouth-ed-ly,

Rick Henderson







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Yep this is the place. They bought the land several years ago when they found out Johnson County would absolutely not allow them to put up lights. They periodically propose developement of the site without lights but the neighbors have been able to stimie them so far. The county commisioners recently met but I hadn't heard they appoved it. The soccer club has LOTS of money to spend on lobbying and advertising so it's just a matter of time until they get approval to trash a rural neighborhood. They can't build it next to thier homes but they can build it next to someone elses.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Rick Henderson 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 10:55 AM
  Subject: [ASKC] Soccer Complex Question


  I read an article in the BlueValley/Leawood Neighborhood News section of the
  KC Star about "Soccer complex would be first-rate."  The developer plans
  facility near 175th and Pflumm.

  Is this the mega-complex that was discussed earlier in the email group?  Its
  proposed to be 157 acres with 125 acres of indoor and outdoor soccer fileds,
  office space, fast food restaurants, a bar and grill and a sport equipment
  store, possibly a beauty shop.

  Hey, maybe we should try to add office space, fast food restaurants, a bar
  and grill and a sport equipment store, possibly a beauty shop to Powell to
  help generate revenue since we won't be able to see the night sky anymore...
  Weld the dome shutter shut, get a starball, large screen TVs, have David and
  Joe fire up the BBQ grill and turn Powell into a space planetarium sports
  bar!!!!  We'll work on the liquor license later.

  PLEASE DON'T TAKE MY OBSERVATORY KEY AWAY!  I'M JUST BEING MY SATURDAY
  MORNING CYNNICAL SELF!

  Signed either tongue-in-cheek or foot-in-mouth-ed-ly,

  Rick Henderson









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I suppose there would be some kind of public hearing before the county
commission before such a complex is approved.  If so, can anyone attend and
speak, or only residents of Miami County?  If anyone can attend and speak,
we should find out when a hearing will be held and as many of us as can to
show up and speak out against the project.


Dick H


-----Original Message-----
From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 12:31 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Soccer Complex Question



Yep this is the place. They bought the land several years ago when they
found out Johnson County would absolutely not allow them to put up lights.
They periodically propose developement of the site without lights but the
neighbors have been able to stimie them so far. The county commisioners
recently met but I hadn't heard they appoved it. The soccer club has LOTS of
money to spend on lobbying and advertising so it's just a matter of time
until they get approval to trash a rural neighborhood. They can't build it
next to thier homes but they can build it next to someone elses.
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Rick Henderson
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 10:55 AM
  Subject: [ASKC] Soccer Complex Question


  I read an article in the BlueValley/Leawood Neighborhood News section of
the
  KC Star about "Soccer complex would be first-rate."  The developer plans
  facility near 175th and Pflumm.

  Is this the mega-complex that was discussed earlier in the email group?
Its
  proposed to be 157 acres with 125 acres of indoor and outdoor soccer
fileds,
  office space, fast food restaurants, a bar and grill and a sport equipment
  store, possibly a beauty shop.

  Hey, maybe we should try to add office space, fast food restaurants, a bar
  and grill and a sport equipment store, possibly a beauty shop to Powell to
  help generate revenue since we won't be able to see the night sky
anymore...
  Weld the dome shutter shut, get a starball, large screen TVs, have David
and
  Joe fire up the BBQ grill and turn Powell into a space planetarium sports
  bar!!!!  We'll work on the liquor license later.

  PLEASE DON'T TAKE MY OBSERVATORY KEY AWAY!  I'M JUST BEING MY SATURDAY
  MORNING CYNNICAL SELF!

  Signed either tongue-in-cheek or foot-in-mouth-ed-ly,

  Rick Henderson









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Ok, I'm making a list and checking it twice. 
I have the following ready to go out the door:

PST telescope and tripod
Laser pointers for Vic and Jen
60 extra ballots
Medium sized cardboard box for ballot box
RCAS handbooks
New trifolds
Mapsend software for Joe W

Is there anything else I'm supposed to bring to the meeting tonight? 

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David 

 What time is the meeting tonight? Is there anything before 7pm?  
                                        
                                                                         
Thanks Larry


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Gm starts at 7:00.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Karlar7@... 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 1:00 PM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] GM


  David 

  What time is the meeting tonight? Is there anything before 7pm?  
                                          
                                                                           
  Thanks Larry


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I would volunteer to go and say my two cents worth, inflated, of course to
several dollars worth.

Rick Henderson

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dick Harshaw" <dwharshaw@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 12:35 PM
Subject: RE: [ASKC] Soccer Complex Question


>
> I suppose there would be some kind of public hearing before the county
> commission before such a complex is approved.  If so, can anyone attend
and
> speak, or only residents of Miami County?  If anyone can attend and speak,
> we should find out when a hearing will be held and as many of us as can to
> show up and speak out against the project.
>
>
> Dick H
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 12:31 PM
> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [ASKC] Soccer Complex Question
>
>
>
> Yep this is the place. They bought the land several years ago when they
> found out Johnson County would absolutely not allow them to put up lights.
> They periodically propose developement of the site without lights but the
> neighbors have been able to stimie them so far. The county commisioners
> recently met but I hadn't heard they appoved it. The soccer club has LOTS
of
> money to spend on lobbying and advertising so it's just a matter of time
> until they get approval to trash a rural neighborhood. They can't build it
> next to thier homes but they can build it next to someone elses.
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Rick Henderson
>   To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 10:55 AM
>   Subject: [ASKC] Soccer Complex Question
>
>
>   I read an article in the BlueValley/Leawood Neighborhood News section of
> the
>   KC Star about "Soccer complex would be first-rate."  The developer plans
>   facility near 175th and Pflumm.
>
>   Is this the mega-complex that was discussed earlier in the email group?
> Its
>   proposed to be 157 acres with 125 acres of indoor and outdoor soccer
> fileds,
>   office space, fast food restaurants, a bar and grill and a sport
equipment
>   store, possibly a beauty shop.
>
>   Hey, maybe we should try to add office space, fast food restaurants, a
bar
>   and grill and a sport equipment store, possibly a beauty shop to Powell
to
>   help generate revenue since we won't be able to see the night sky
> anymore...
>   Weld the dome shutter shut, get a starball, large screen TVs, have David
> and
>   Joe fire up the BBQ grill and turn Powell into a space planetarium
sports
>   bar!!!!  We'll work on the liquor license later.
>
>   PLEASE DON'T TAKE MY OBSERVATORY KEY AWAY!  I'M JUST BEING MY SATURDAY
>   MORNING CYNNICAL SELF!
>
>   Signed either tongue-in-cheek or foot-in-mouth-ed-ly,
>
>   Rick Henderson
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dick Harshaw" <dwharshaw@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 12:35 PM
Subject: RE: [ASKC] Soccer Complex Question


>
> I suppose there would be some kind of public hearing before the county
> commission before such a complex is approved.  If so, can anyone attend
and
> speak, or only residents of Miami County?  If anyone can attend and speak,
> we should find out when a hearing will be held and as many of us as can to
> show up and speak out against the project.
>
>
> Dick H
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 12:31 PM
> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [ASKC] Soccer Complex Question
>
>
>
> Yep this is the place. They bought the land several years ago when they
> found out Johnson County would absolutely not allow them to put up lights.
> They periodically propose developement of the site without lights but the
> neighbors have been able to stimie them so far. The county commisioners
> recently met but I hadn't heard they appoved it. The soccer club has LOTS
of
> money to spend on lobbying and advertising so it's just a matter of time
> until they get approval to trash a rural neighborhood. They can't build it
> next to thier homes but they can build it next to someone elses.
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Rick Henderson
>   To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 10:55 AM
>   Subject: [ASKC] Soccer Complex Question
>
>
>   I read an article in the BlueValley/Leawood Neighborhood News section of
> the
>   KC Star about "Soccer complex would be first-rate."  The developer plans
>   facility near 175th and Pflumm.
>
>   Is this the mega-complex that was discussed earlier in the email group?
> Its
>   proposed to be 157 acres with 125 acres of indoor and outdoor soccer
> fileds,
>   office space, fast food restaurants, a bar and grill and a sport
equipment
>   store, possibly a beauty shop.
>
>   Hey, maybe we should try to add office space, fast food restaurants, a
bar
>   and grill and a sport equipment store, possibly a beauty shop to Powell
to
>   help generate revenue since we won't be able to see the night sky
> anymore...
>   Weld the dome shutter shut, get a starball, large screen TVs, have David
> and
>   Joe fire up the BBQ grill and turn Powell into a space planetarium
sports
>   bar!!!!  We'll work on the liquor license later.
>
>   PLEASE DON'T TAKE MY OBSERVATORY KEY AWAY!  I'M JUST BEING MY SATURDAY
>   MORNING CYNNICAL SELF!
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That makes me mad.  In this case, I have doubts about the viability of 
a robotic mission's ability to service something that was not designed 
to be serviced by robots.  But, I also think that the risks of a manned 
mission are acceptable providing it is a volunteer mission.  Especially 
when you consider other activities that people think are perfectly 
fine.  Like racing around a in a circle at 200 mph so that other people 
will have something to watch while they guzzle overpriced beer ; )

I don't know what the White House is thinking. If one cant handle the 
risks and costs associated with fixing Hubble, then one might as well 
forget about trying to get a manned mission to Mars.  One obviously 
doesn't have the stomach for it.

On Jan 21, 2005, at 8:45 PM, KCStarguy@... wrote:

--james

> fyi see below
>  Dr. Eric Flescher ( kcstarguy@...),
>  Olathe, KS. USA: Aegean Sea eclipse Land Cruise 2006-be there for my 
> #8: 7
>  total solar eclipses and counting:
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> "White
>  House Cuts Hubble Servicing Mission from 2006 Budget Request."� 
> Space.com
>  is also reporting that this would mean NO robotic mission either. The 
> link to
>  the news report is:� 
> http://www.space.com/news/hubble_budget_050121.html
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My conspiracy theory  is that the intent is to cut NASA's budget to nothing
but the Mars Mission.
Then declare that it is too complex, costly, or whatever, and, since NASA
then has nothing to do, kill off NASA.
Simple. Any space stuff should be done by the Air Force anyway.

That's my unsupported paranoid theory and I'm sticking to it - until I
change my mind next week.

Kathy

----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: [ASKC] latest on hubble



That makes me mad.  In this case, I have doubts about the viability of
a robotic mission's ability to service something that was not designed
to be serviced by robots.  But, I also think that the risks of a manned
mission are acceptable providing it is a volunteer mission.  Especially
when you consider other activities that people think are perfectly
fine.  Like racing around a in a circle at 200 mph so that other people
will have something to watch while they guzzle overpriced beer ; )

I don't know what the White House is thinking. If one cant handle the
risks and costs associated with fixing Hubble, then one might as well
forget about trying to get a manned mission to Mars.  One obviously
doesn't have the stomach for it.

On Jan 21, 2005, at 8:45 PM, KCStarguy@... wrote:

--james

> fyi see below
>  Dr. Eric Flescher ( kcstarguy@...),
>  Olathe, KS. USA: Aegean Sea eclipse Land Cruise 2006-be there for my
>  total solar eclipses and counting:
>  webmaster Eric's Black Sun Eclipse website - <
> http://members.aol.com/kcstarguy/blacksun/eclipse.htm.
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>
>  I don't know if you have heard but Space.com is reporting that
> "White
>  House Cuts Hubble Servicing Mission from 2006 Budget Request."
> Space.com
>  is also reporting that this would mean NO robotic mission either. The
> link to
>  the news report is:
> http://www.space.com/news/hubble_budget_050121.html
>
>  With best wishes always, I am,
>
>  Sincerely,
>  Myron Goretzky
>  Chairman
>  Coalition for National Referendum
>

Ah haw, James!  You have just uncovered the reason the Roman elite provided
free bloody entertainment in the Colosseum for the working class, complete
with new wine and whatever passed for hotdogs 2000 years ago.    
George A.

> [Original Message]
> From: James Pageau <james@...>
> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: 1/22/2005 3:11:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [ASKC] latest on hubble
>
>
> That makes me mad.  In this case, I have doubts about the viability of 
> a robotic mission's ability to service something that was not designed 
> to be serviced by robots.  But, I also think that the risks of a manned 
> mission are acceptable providing it is a volunteer mission.  Especially 
> when you consider other activities that people think are perfectly 
> fine.  Like racing around a in a circle at 200 mph so that other people 
> will have something to watch while they guzzle overpriced beer ; )
>
> I don't know what the White House is thinking. If one cant handle the 
> risks and costs associated with fixing Hubble, then one might as well 
> forget about trying to get a manned mission to Mars.  One obviously 
> doesn't have the stomach for it.
>

The President has a War to Fight. Tyranny and Terrorists come before NASA.
I'll bet that a large portion of the tech used in "Smart Bombs" "Stealth
Aircraft" and many other U.S. war machines came directly from NASA.
    Is this off subject?
Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
Randy
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Pageau" <james@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: [ASKC] latest on hubble


>
> That makes me mad.  In this case, I have doubts about the viability of
> a robotic mission's ability to service something that was not designed
> to be serviced by robots.  But, I also think that the risks of a manned
> mission are acceptable providing it is a volunteer mission.  Especially
> when you consider other activities that people think are perfectly
> fine.  Like racing around a in a circle at 200 mph so that other people
> will have something to watch while they guzzle overpriced beer ; )
>
> I don't know what the White House is thinking. If one cant handle the
> risks and costs associated with fixing Hubble, then one might as well
> forget about trying to get a manned mission to Mars.  One obviously
> doesn't have the stomach for it.
>
> On Jan 21, 2005, at 8:45 PM, KCStarguy@... wrote:
>
> --james
>
> > fyi see below
> >  Dr. Eric Flescher ( kcstarguy@...),
> >  Olathe, KS. USA: Aegean Sea eclipse Land Cruise 2006-be there for my
> > #8: 7
> >  total solar eclipses and counting:
> >  webmaster Eric's Black Sun Eclipse website - <
> > http://members.aol.com/kcstarguy/blacksun/eclipse.htm.
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> >
> >  Dear Dr. Flescher:
> >
> >  I don't know if you have heard but Space.com is reporting that
> > "White
> >  House Cuts Hubble Servicing Mission from 2006 Budget Request."
> > Space.com
> >  is also reporting that this would mean NO robotic mission either. The
> > link to
> >  the news report is:
> > http://www.space.com/news/hubble_budget_050121.html
> >
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> >
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Wild, Weird Titan Reveals More Secrets
http://SkyandTelescope.com/news/article_1447_1.asp

Anyone have the vote count yet?
 
Thanks Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...] 
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 1:03 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] GM


Gm starts at 7:00.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Karlar7@... 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 1:00 PM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] GM


  David 

  What time is the meeting tonight? Is there anything before 7pm?  
                                          
 

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I believe it was 101 yes, 5 no.

Rich Hathaway


--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "sm20" <sm20@f...> wrote:
> Anyone have the vote count yet?
>  
> Thanks Dave
> 

175th and Pflumm isn't in Miami County, it's Johnson County.  It is exactly 1.5 miles west-northwest of my house, and would affect Coffee Creek Observatory the most probably.

-Dave Dembinski 


"Dick Harshaw" <dwharshaw@...> wrote:

>I suppose there would be some kind of public hearing before the county
>commission before such a complex is approved. �If so, can anyone attend and
>speak, or only residents of Miami County? �If anyone can attend and speak,
>we should find out when a hearing will be held and as many of us as can to
>show up and speak out against the project.
>
>
>Dick H
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
>Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 12:31 PM
>To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [ASKC] Soccer Complex Question
>
>
>
>Yep this is the place. They bought the land several years ago when they
>found out Johnson County would absolutely not allow them to put up lights.
>They periodically propose developement of the site without lights but the
>neighbors have been able to stimie them so far. The county commisioners
>recently met but I hadn't heard they appoved it. The soccer club has LOTS of
>money to spend on lobbying and advertising so it's just a matter of time
>until they get approval to trash a rural neighborhood. They can't build it
>next to thier homes but they can build it next to someone elses.
> �----- Original Message -----
> �From: Rick Henderson
> �To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> �Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 10:55 AM
> �Subject: [ASKC] Soccer Complex Question
>
>
> �I read an article in the BlueValley/Leawood Neighborhood News section of
>the
> �KC Star about "Soccer complex would be first-rate." �The developer plans
> �facility near 175th and Pflumm.
>
> �Is this the mega-complex that was discussed earlier in the email group?
>Its
> �proposed to be 157 acres with 125 acres of indoor and outdoor soccer
>fileds,
> �office space, fast food restaurants, a bar and grill and a sport equipment
> �store, possibly a beauty shop.
>
> �Hey, maybe we should try to add office space, fast food restaurants, a bar
> �and grill and a sport equipment store, possibly a beauty shop to Powell to
> �help generate revenue since we won't be able to see the night sky
>anymore...
> �Weld the dome shutter shut, get a starball, large screen TVs, have David
>and
> �Joe fire up the BBQ grill and turn Powell into a space planetarium sports
> �bar!!!! �We'll work on the liquor license later.
>
> �PLEASE DON'T TAKE MY OBSERVATORY KEY AWAY! �I'M JUST BEING MY SATURDAY
> �MORNING CYNNICAL SELF!
>
> �Signed either tongue-in-cheek or foot-in-mouth-ed-ly,
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Well... that still sucks.

-- James

On Jan 22, 2005, at 11:48 PM, DembinskiD@... wrote:

> 175th and Pflumm isn't in Miami County, it's Johnson County.� It is 
> exactly 1.5 miles west-northwest of my house, and would affect Coffee 
> Creek Observatory the most probably.
>
>  -Dave Dembinski


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The vote was 101 yes and 5 no.
The ASKC will purchase the land.

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You're right Dave! Now that I think about it, 215th street is the approximate county line.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: DembinskiD@... 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 11:48 PM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] Soccer Complex Question


  175th and Pflumm isn't in Miami County, it's Johnson County.  It is exactly 1.5 miles west-northwest of my house, and would affect Coffee Creek Observatory the most probably.

  -Dave Dembinski 


  "Dick Harshaw" <dwharshaw@...> wrote:

  >I suppose there would be some kind of public hearing before the county
  >commission before such a complex is approved.  If so, can anyone attend and
  >speak, or only residents of Miami County?  If anyone can attend and speak,
  >we should find out when a hearing will be held and as many of us as can to
  >show up and speak out against the project.
  >
  >
  >Dick H
  >
  >
  >-----Original Message-----
  >From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
  >Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 12:31 PM
  >To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  >Subject: Re: [ASKC] Soccer Complex Question
  >
  >
  >
  >Yep this is the place. They bought the land several years ago when they
  >found out Johnson County would absolutely not allow them to put up lights.
  >They periodically propose developement of the site without lights but the
  >neighbors have been able to stimie them so far. The county commisioners
  >recently met but I hadn't heard they appoved it. The soccer club has LOTS of
  >money to spend on lobbying and advertising so it's just a matter of time
  >until they get approval to trash a rural neighborhood. They can't build it
  >next to thier homes but they can build it next to someone elses.
  >  ----- Original Message -----
  >  From: Rick Henderson
  >  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  >  Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 10:55 AM
  >  Subject: [ASKC] Soccer Complex Question
  >
  >
  >  I read an article in the BlueValley/Leawood Neighborhood News section of
  >the
  >  KC Star about "Soccer complex would be first-rate."  The developer plans
  >  facility near 175th and Pflumm.
  >
  >  Is this the mega-complex that was discussed earlier in the email group?
  >Its
  >  proposed to be 157 acres with 125 acres of indoor and outdoor soccer
  >fileds,
  >  office space, fast food restaurants, a bar and grill and a sport equipment
  >  store, possibly a beauty shop.
  >
  >  Hey, maybe we should try to add office space, fast food restaurants, a bar
  >  and grill and a sport equipment store, possibly a beauty shop to Powell to
  >  help generate revenue since we won't be able to see the night sky
  >anymore...
  >  Weld the dome shutter shut, get a starball, large screen TVs, have David
  >and
  >  Joe fire up the BBQ grill and turn Powell into a space planetarium sports
  >  bar!!!!  We'll work on the liquor license later.
  >
  >  PLEASE DON'T TAKE MY OBSERVATORY KEY AWAY!  I'M JUST BEING MY SATURDAY
  >  MORNING CYNNICAL SELF!
  >
  >  Signed either tongue-in-cheek or foot-in-mouth-ed-ly,
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--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Dick Harshaw" <dwharshaw@k...> wrote:
> I agree with you, Rick.  "Progress" in spite of ourselves! I think some
> developers won't be happy until every square centimeter of the earth is
> covered in concrete and lit by neon lights!
> 
> Farewell, yon stars.  It was a joy to know thee!

Maybe we should consider a planetarium for the Powell Complex.
After tonight's talk and discussion afterward, if Science City don't
get their act together, the planetarium there will be up for closing
again anyway.
What is being done with the small planetarium at the KC Museum? Is it
mothballed? If so, maybe we could look at acquiring it (either by the
museum donating it to us, or start a fundraiser to purchase the
equipment) and transfer it to Powell. Grant monies maybe? The 30/16/12
could still be used for bright stuff (planets and moon which people
enjoy anyway), and a planetarium would be a great teaching tool, with
things that can't be done with PowerPoint shows.

just thinking out loud.

Sounds like good thoughts to me, Rob!
Mike Sterling


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Ditto what James said.

Rick Henderson

----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 11:55 PM
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Soccer Complex Question



Well... that still sucks.

-- James

On Jan 22, 2005, at 11:48 PM, DembinskiD@... wrote:

> 175th and Pflumm isn't in Miami County, it's Johnson County. It is 
> exactly 1.5 miles west-northwest of my house, and would affect Coffee 
> Creek Observatory the most probably.
>
>  -Dave Dembinski


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Ditto what Rick said to what James said...


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From: Rick Henderson [mailto:rhenderson1@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 12:45 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Soccer Complex Question



Ditto what James said.

Rick Henderson

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Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 11:55 PM
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Soccer Complex Question



Well... that still sucks.

-- James

On Jan 22, 2005, at 11:48 PM, DembinskiD@... wrote:

> 175th and Pflumm isn't in Miami County, it's Johnson County. It is 
> exactly 1.5 miles west-northwest of my house, and would affect Coffee 
> Creek Observatory the most probably.
>
>  -Dave Dembinski


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Is there a downloadable document that gives CORE pledge levels, info 
on how to make out checks and where to send them, etc?

I checked the Files area and the ASKC Web site, but didn't find one.

Thx,

Rich Hathaway

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> Is there a downloadable document that gives CORE pledge levels, info 
> on how to make out checks and where to send them, etc?
> I checked the Files area and the ASKC Web site, but didn't find one.
> Thx,
> Rich Hathaway

Rich - none that are posted.

TIM KRISTL ->
write me up something and I will post it on several spots on the
website. If I put something on the front page, maybe the general
public or some wealthy old lady that likes to donate money to worthy
causes would feel generous in sending a contribution...
(see: http://www.askconline.org/donations.htm as an example)

Rob

The President started the war because (1) he could not do anything about the 
economy so he started   the war despite any real evidence of WMDs. (2) He and 
(don't get me started) only count on money if it is defense contracts and the 
military. (3) They don't care about the deficit. 

as for 

> "I don't know what the White House is thinking. If one cant handle the
> risks and costs associated with fixing Hubble, then one might as well
> forget about trying to get a manned mission to Mars.� One obviously
> doesn't have the stomach for it."
> 
A robotic mission is too costly and will not work. Did you just hear how the 
government spent 170 million dollars on a computer system to overhaul the 
system to battle against 911 but failed miserably!!!!!! Can you imagine what they 
would do with a billion dollar robotics mission and the mission to Mars? 
Meanwhile where would they get the money while we spend a billion dollars a week in 
Iraq and elsewhere. 

Manned spaceflight needs to do the job for the space station and more. The 
space station needs a lot of maintenance besides the Hubble. (Also as I said the 
comet probe crashed - can you imagine what can be done trying to ride the 
hubble back down?).

The astronauts did it with the hubble the first time and they did it right. 
That is what the astronauts are suposed to do handle missions in space. 

The Columbia disaster was bungling at the highest level because the higher 
ups did not listen to what they engineers told them. THe rode the space shuttle 
down on a prayer that nothing would go wrong instead of using the information 
they already head to save the astronauts in space which could have been done. 

As for Mars. The President's vision is nothing but short sightedness and 
myopic views of reality. He is grandstanding for something that will cost too much 
for what it will provide. We need to go to the moon first. What do we need to 
do on Mars that we have not already done with the splendid rovers ? Do we 
need to go to Mars just to bring back Mars rocks (which we already have on Earth 
in the form of Meteorites) and find some Mars fossils. Is that worth the cost 
of   a mindless ego? 

That is my take 

Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), 
member,   ASKC-Astronomical Society of Kansas City,
Olathe, KS. USA,   
JPL / NASA Solar System Ambassador, Kansas: 


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Thanks. Appreciate the feeback. 

 Oh by the way I forgot. The insignia on the bottom of the silver and gold 
certificates (the round blue oval etc)   is the pin which comes with the silver 
award certificate (which has a different comet). The pin was designed by the 
daughter of one of our members David Hudgins. The pins, the certificates and 
the award information itself took over a year to design and get it going. The 
certificates and pin turned out really well and we are pleased . 

We look forward to more members attaining the comet observer awards. If any 
one has questions, they can contact me directly if they wish. All information 
is at the AL site and the comet award. 

Feel free to tell members etc. People are starting to send to get more comet 
awards which is great.

BTW-   The pictures for the certificates were provided by one of our members 
Vic Winters. He does great astrophotography work 

Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), 
member,   ASKC-Astronomical Society of Kansas City,
Olathe, KS. USA,   
JPL / NASA Solar System Ambassador, Kansas: 
Comets Award Coordinator, Astronomical League,
http://www.astroleague.org/al/obsclubs/obsclub.html, 
http://www.astroleague.org/al/obsclubs/comet/comet.htm,
http://members.aol.com/kcstarguy/satoriastronomy/cometaward.htm> or 
(send messages to the network at ) CometObserversAwardAL@yahoogroups.com;
Subscribe to have your name on the   listserve by sending email to   : 
CometObserversAwardAL-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

Dr. Eric Flescher ( kcstarguy@...), 
Olathe, KS. USA: Aegean Sea eclipse Land Cruise 2006-be there for my #8: 7 
total solar eclipses and counting: 
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> Very nice.
> 
>  Sue
> 
>  Caldwell Award Coordinator
> 
> 



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For 2005, 
I have:

May 1- May 8 -- Texas Star Party

June 4- June 11  -- Southern Skies Star Party in Bolivia (I know a few people are hoping to go)

June 9- June 12   ---ASKC Star Party Marion KS

August 12- August 13 -- ALcon Expo  -- right here in Kansas City, no long trip needed. Spend money on Astro-goodies instead.

Sept 8- Sept 11--   Astrofest

October 1- October 9 -- Okie Tex

October 6  - October 9 -- ICStars

Great Plains ??? Anybody heard anything??

Any others ASKCer's routinely attend?

There doesn't seem to be anything Labor day weekend, which is good moon-wise. 
July 4th weekend isn't bad either. 

Maybe we can plan a camp out for  three-day weekends July 1-4, Sept 2-5 at the dark sky site?

Kathy Machin


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Nebraska Star Party, Jul 31-Aug 5, 2005


Dick H


-----Original Message-----
From: Kathy [mailto:kmachin@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 1:17 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Some 2005 Star Party dates



For 2005,
I have:

May 1- May 8 -- Texas Star Party

June 4- June 11  -- Southern Skies Star Party in Bolivia (I know a few
people are hoping to go)

June 9- June 12   ---ASKC Star Party Marion KS

August 12- August 13 -- ALcon Expo  -- right here in Kansas City, no long
trip needed. Spend money on Astro-goodies instead.

Sept 8- Sept 11--   Astrofest

October 1- October 9 -- Okie Tex

October 6  - October 9 -- ICStars

Great Plains ??? Anybody heard anything??

Any others ASKCer's routinely attend?

There doesn't seem to be anything Labor day weekend, which is good
moon-wise.
July 4th weekend isn't bad either.

Maybe we can plan a camp out for  three-day weekends July 1-4, Sept 2-5 at
the dark sky site?

Kathy Machin


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It looks like the marathon would need to be around March 12 or April 9. Any thoughts on which dates to avoid private bookings for?

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I need entries for February ASAP!

LAST CALL FOR ENTRIES
Deadline to send your AstroTip is January 31, 2005. Send a short 
description of your favorite idea for enjoying your hobby. It can be a 
piece of equipment, a special way to look at things, a publication 
you�ve found helpful or anything else that might be useful to others. 
Include an image of your tip, if possible.
	E-mail your entry for the AstroTips contest to mryoung@.... 
December, January and February Tips will be included in this contest. A 
prize will be awarded at the February General Meeting from Tips printed 
in the CM. 
  

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Dr. Eric, is it safe then to assume you voted for Kerry?

George Allen


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To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 1/23/2005 12:03:31 PM 
Subject: [ASKC] the president NASA and hubble


The President started the war because (1) he could not do anything about the 
economy so he started   the war despite any real evidence of WMDs. (2) He and 
(don't get me started) only count on money if it is defense contracts and the 
military. (3) They don't care about the deficit. 

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Eric,

From the way I understand your letter, it sounds like you left all the good
stuff that space robotics have done and are still doing.  You are beginning
to sound like an extreme left liberal in the fact that you complain about
failures and ignore the successes or do you consider the Cassini and Hugens
mission failed missions (even though the scientific community thinks they
were a great success beyond expectations) and you must be considering that
the 2 still operational Mars rovers that were designed for 90 days are still
going 1 year later and at near full capacity doing a great job on the
planet.  A manned mission today would have been a oneway trip for both of
these missions.

We have a lot of robotic exploration to do before we can possibly try to
send a manned mission to the other planets.

They have made a lot of mistakes because of money and politics in the manned
missions and I for one would like to remove the politics and money problems
before another manned mission is attempted and fails from human failures on
the ground like most of the ones in the past.

I apologize if I have stepped on anyone's toes but it sounds like you would
have praised Clinton for the last 4 years and complained about the previous
8 years as failures by him if he had been a Republican.  Carter and
Clinton's policies of the previous years on the Mid East created most of the
problems that Hit Bush II, because they ignored and accepted their rhetoric
on imaginary peace while they built up their plans (to attack the US) that
escalated into 9/11.

Granted all the administrations were lax in their appreciation of the real
problems in the Middle East but Carter and Especially Clinton who did
"NOTHING" when we were attacked repeatedly by the Islamic extremists.

Regan, Bush I and Bush II did something about them.  Democratic
administrations continued to "consider" the attacks as nothing of
importance, just a Middle East nuisance.  This includes the "coddler" of the
N-Vietnam, "Hanoi Kerry", their hero of record and in their museums as such.

My 2 cents worth.

D T

-----Original Message-----
From: KCStarguy@... [mailto:KCStarguy@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 12:04 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] the president NASA and hubble


The President started the war because (1) he could not do anything about the
economy so he started   the war despite any real evidence of WMDs. (2) He
and
(don't get me started) only count on money if it is defense contracts and
the
military. (3) They don't care about the deficit.

as for

> "I don't know what the White House is thinking. If one cant handle the
> risks and costs associated with fixing Hubble, then one might as well
> forget about trying to get a manned mission to Mars.  One obviously
> doesn't have the stomach for it."
>
A robotic mission is too costly and will not work. Did you just hear how the
government spent 170 million dollars on a computer system to overhaul the
system to battle against 911 but failed miserably!!!!!! Can you imagine what
they
would do with a billion dollar robotics mission and the mission to Mars?
Meanwhile where would they get the money while we spend a billion dollars a
week in
Iraq and elsewhere.

Manned spaceflight needs to do the job for the space station and more. The
space station needs a lot of maintenance besides the Hubble. (Also as I said
the
comet probe crashed - can you imagine what can be done trying to ride the
hubble back down?).

The astronauts did it with the hubble the first time and they did it right.
That is what the astronauts are suposed to do handle missions in space.

The Columbia disaster was bungling at the highest level because the higher
ups did not listen to what they engineers told them. THe rode the space
shuttle
down on a prayer that nothing would go wrong instead of using the
information
they already head to save the astronauts in space which could have been
done.

As for Mars. The President's vision is nothing but short sightedness and
myopic views of reality. He is grandstanding for something that will cost
too much
for what it will provide. We need to go to the moon first. What do we need
to
do on Mars that we have not already done with the splendid rovers ? Do we
need to go to Mars just to bring back Mars rocks (which we already have on
Earth
in the form of Meteorites) and find some Mars fossils. Is that worth the
cost
of   a mindless ego?

That is my take

Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...),
member,   ASKC-Astronomical Society of Kansas City,
Olathe, KS. USA,
JPL / NASA Solar System Ambassador, Kansas:


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The president didn't start this war, he responded to it, which none of the
democrats thought was a problem in spite of the fact that we have been
"attacked" over 20 times in the last 20 years.  Clinton, Kennedy and Kerry
all thought it was only a nuisance when we were attacked and our people were
killed until 9/11 then they still defended the Middle East Extremists.  They
also accepted contributions from them at the same time.  No wonder they
thought the attacks from the middle east were a nuisance, it might have hurt
the support from them for re-election $.

D T

-----Original Message-----
From: George Allen [mailto:geonjod@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 2:24 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com; ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ASKC] the president NASA and hubble


Dr. Eric, is it safe then to assume you voted for Kerry?

George Allen


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To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 1/23/2005 12:03:31 PM
Subject: [ASKC] the president NASA and hubble


The President started the war because (1) he could not do anything about the
economy so he started   the war despite any real evidence of WMDs. (2) He
and
(don't get me started) only count on money if it is defense contracts and
the
military. (3) They don't care about the deficit.

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Let's get back on the topic of the ASKC and astronomy please.

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Great idea Kathy!
 


Clear skies,

Gary Pittman
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From: Kathy [mailto:kmachin@...] 
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 1:17 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Some 2005 Star Party dates



There doesn't seem to be anything Labor day weekend, which is good
moon-wise. 
July 4th weekend isn't bad either. 

Maybe we can plan a camp out for  three-day weekends July 1-4, Sept 2-5 at
the dark sky site?

Kathy Machin


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I agree, but let's not "black out" any of the regular star party dates
around the nation as many ASKCers may not be going to TSP, NSP, etc.  If
locals wanted to get together on such weekends, that should not be a problem
for the dark sky site, eh?

Dick H


-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Pittman [mailto:gary_rp@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 2:57 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ASKC] Some 2005 Star Party dates



Great idea Kathy!



Clear skies,

Gary Pittman
gary_rp@...




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From: Kathy [mailto:kmachin@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 1:17 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Some 2005 Star Party dates



There doesn't seem to be anything Labor day weekend, which is good
moon-wise.
July 4th weekend isn't bad either.

Maybe we can plan a camp out for  three-day weekends July 1-4, Sept 2-5 at
the dark sky site?

Kathy Machin


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Uh, Dick, is it safe then to assume you voted for Nader?  Or is it Nadir? 
;-)

George Allen


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> From: D. Trentman <dtrent@...>
> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: 1/23/2005 2:40:57 PM
> Subject: RE: [ASKC] the president NASA and hubble
>
>
> The president didn't start this war, he responded to it, which none of the
> democrats thought was a problem in spite of the fact that we have been
> "attacked" over 20 times in the last 20 years.  Clinton, Kennedy and Kerry
> all thought it was only a nuisance when we were attacked and our people
were
> killed until 9/11 then they still defended the Middle East Extremists. 
They
> also accepted contributions from them at the same time.  No wonder they
> thought the attacks from the middle east were a nuisance, it might have
hurt
> the support from them for re-election $.
>
> D T
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: George Allen [mailto:geonjod@...]
> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 2:24 PM
> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com; ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [ASKC] the president NASA and hubble
>
>
> Dr. Eric, is it safe then to assume you voted for Kerry?
>
> George Allen
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: 1/23/2005 12:03:31 PM
> Subject: [ASKC] the president NASA and hubble
>
>
> The President started the war because (1) he could not do anything about
the
> economy so he started   the war despite any real evidence of WMDs. (2) He
> and
> (don't get me started) only count on money if it is defense contracts and
> the
> military. (3) They don't care about the deficit.
>

I never divulge who I voted for. ;^)

DH


-----Original Message-----
From: George Allen [mailto:geonjod@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 3:03 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com; ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ASKC] the president NASA and hubble



Uh, Dick, is it safe then to assume you voted for Nader?  Or is it Nadir?
;-)

George Allen


> [Original Message]
> From: D. Trentman <dtrent@...>
> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: 1/23/2005 2:40:57 PM
> Subject: RE: [ASKC] the president NASA and hubble
>
>
> The president didn't start this war, he responded to it, which none of the
> democrats thought was a problem in spite of the fact that we have been
> "attacked" over 20 times in the last 20 years.  Clinton, Kennedy and Kerry
> all thought it was only a nuisance when we were attacked and our people
were
> killed until 9/11 then they still defended the Middle East Extremists.
They
> also accepted contributions from them at the same time.  No wonder they
> thought the attacks from the middle east were a nuisance, it might have
hurt
> the support from them for re-election $.
>
> D T
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: George Allen [mailto:geonjod@...]
> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 2:24 PM
> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com; ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [ASKC] the president NASA and hubble
>
>
> Dr. Eric, is it safe then to assume you voted for Kerry?
>
> George Allen
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: 1/23/2005 12:03:31 PM
> Subject: [ASKC] the president NASA and hubble
>
>
> The President started the war because (1) he could not do anything about
the
> economy so he started   the war despite any real evidence of WMDs. (2) He
> and
> (don't get me started) only count on money if it is defense contracts and
> the
> military. (3) They don't care about the deficit.
>









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I'm sure that the DSS will be open to any member at any time, even if there
is a TSP, Okie-Tex, etc.... going on at the time. One should only be
concerned about the condition of the road leading back to the observing
site. I know I don't want to get stuck in "OUR" mud. I know there is a curse
for buying a new scope, is there a curse for buying a DSS?
Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
Randy
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dick Harshaw" <dwharshaw@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 3:02 PM
Subject: RE: [ASKC] Some 2005 Star Party dates


>
> I agree, but let's not "black out" any of the regular star party dates
> around the nation as many ASKCers may not be going to TSP, NSP, etc.  If
> locals wanted to get together on such weekends, that should not be a
problem
> for the dark sky site, eh?
>
> Dick H
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary Pittman [mailto:gary_rp@...]
> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 2:57 PM
> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [ASKC] Some 2005 Star Party dates
>
>
>
> Great idea Kathy!
>
>
>
> Clear skies,
>
> Gary Pittman
> gary_rp@...
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>
>
>
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> From: Kathy [mailto:kmachin@...]
> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 1:17 PM
> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [ASKC] Some 2005 Star Party dates
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>
> There doesn't seem to be anything Labor day weekend, which is good
> moon-wise.
> July 4th weekend isn't bad either.
>
> Maybe we can plan a camp out for  three-day weekends July 1-4, Sept 2-5 at
> the dark sky site?
>
> Kathy Machin
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Boy, you bring up a good question!   I don't know about a curse for buying a
DSS--- guess we'll just have to wait and see.  (But if past experience is
any guide, we're probably safe.  I don't recall years of cloud cover when
NOAA bought Kitt Peak or USC bought Mt. Palomar...)

DH


-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Thompson [mailto:randythm@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 3:38 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Some 2005 Star Party dates



I'm sure that the DSS will be open to any member at any time, even if there
is a TSP, Okie-Tex, etc.... going on at the time. One should only be
concerned about the condition of the road leading back to the observing
site. I know I don't want to get stuck in "OUR" mud. I know there is a curse
for buying a new scope, is there a curse for buying a DSS?
Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
Randy

This may be a little premature, but what will it cost to grade up a road to the DSS and top it with about 5 inches of crushed rock?  It will need a couple tubes under it for drainage, also.  I'd guess someone has already looked into this.  
Geo.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Randy Thompson 
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 1/23/2005 3:38:14 PM 
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Some 2005 Star Party dates


I'm sure that the DSS will be open to any member at any time, even if there
is a TSP, Okie-Tex, etc.... going on at the time. One should only be
concerned about the condition of the road leading back to the observing
site. I know I don't want to get stuck in "OUR" mud. I know there is a curse
for buying a new scope, is there a curse for buying a DSS?
Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
Randy
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dick Harshaw" <dwharshaw@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 3:02 PM
Subject: RE: [ASKC] Some 2005 Star Party dates


>
> I agree, but let's not "black out" any of the regular star party dates
> around the nation as many ASKCers may not be going to TSP, NSP, etc.  If
> locals wanted to get together on such weekends, that should not be a
problem
> for the dark sky site, eh?
>
> Dick H
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary Pittman [mailto:gary_rp@...]
> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 2:57 PM
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> There doesn't seem to be anything Labor day weekend, which is good
> moon-wise.
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Don Machholz' Messier Marathon Observer's Guide.   says Mar 12 is primary 
week.

His chart for MM through 2019 shows about a 7-10 day window each year - so 
I'd rule out April 9 and go with the 12th of march (New Moon is March 10)
Mike Sterling


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FYI ...
Messier Marathon dates to 2019
http://www.messiermarathon.com/marathon_dates.htm

Mike Sterling


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At this point we don't have the land yet. But as soon as we do :-)  
 
The cost to grade the road will be high, we might want to start our own
little fundraiser just for that and other things like power and water.
That's where we need Joe,David and others that have equipment and help
planning it out.
If nothing else for the first year that we could pour tire tracks of
crushed rock on the 3 or 4 bad spots. That's one to two loads pour by
hand, it is work, but fun in a group!
 
Others like Shelly's and that place that they called Scopeville, have
only grass and worked out most of the time.
 
-Just thinking out loud
 
Friends of the DSS
Dave F.
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: George Allen [mailto:geonjod@...] 
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 3:58 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com; ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Some 2005 Star Party dates


This may be a little premature, but what will it cost to grade up a road
to the DSS and top it with about 5 inches of crushed rock?  It will need
a couple tubes under it for drainage, also.  I'd guess someone has
already looked into this.  
Geo.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Randy Thompson 
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 1/23/2005 3:38:14 PM 
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Some 2005 Star Party dates


I'm sure that the DSS will be open to any member at any time, even if
there
is a TSP, Okie-Tex, etc.... going on at the time. One should only be
concerned about the condition of the road leading back to the observing
site. I know I don't want to get stuck in "OUR" mud. I know there is a
curse
for buying a new scope, is there a curse for buying a DSS?
Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
Randy
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dick Harshaw" <dwharshaw@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 3:02 PM
Subject: RE: [ASKC] Some 2005 Star Party dates


>
> I agree, but let's not "black out" any of the regular star party dates
> around the nation as many ASKCers may not be going to TSP, NSP, etc.
If
> locals wanted to get together on such weekends, that should not be a
problem
> for the dark sky site, eh?
>
> Dick H
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> Subject: RE: [ASKC] Some 2005 Star Party dates
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> Gary Pittman
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> moon-wise.
> July 4th weekend isn't bad either.
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Eric, you made this discussion public and a personal attack on Bush, so I am
responding but I don't think the politics need to be on this site.  After
this I will let it go as the country voted for Bush and we should support
him while he is the choice of the voters.  I tried to support Clinton but
all he could do in that off ice was let the country slide downward with his
zipper.  Everyone knows what Monica got out of it.

1-
Clinton destroyed the upward momentum of the economy (created during the
Regan/Bush 1 years) and caused it to turn down and then the liberals blame
Bush for 9/11 and the economy that Clinton left him as a legacy.  Clinton's
purpose was to create the illusion that he was balancing the budget by
cutting over half of our military, destroyed nearly all foreign intelligence
forces and forbid any replacement of the areas he dropped.  During the last
2 years of Clinton the economy was down trending in jobs (outsourcing) and
they hit the big fall with 9/11 which he had the biggest blame for ignoring
all the warning signs for 8 years.

2- Space exploration / Defense etc. all help the economy.  What good is a
defense cut as Clinton did if we are subjected to the terrorism of the
middle East here on US property which Clinton helped start and continued to
keep it going by making us look like sissies to the terrorist nations.

There was plenty of evidence that they had the ability to produce WMD and
they found Stockpiles of Sarin Gas (in Iraq) set up for missile delivery.
They also found plenty of evidence that he moved (hid) most of his WMD to
Syria, Iran etc. and Clinton refused to do anything in his administration
because he wanted their money and he wanted to hide the facts of the Middle
East crisis.  The first Trade Center attack, multiple US Embassies, TWA 911
killing hundreds of Americans and Clinton turned the other cheek every time.
In Iraq they found dozens of Russian advanced fighter jets buried in the
sand to hide them from the bribed UN inspectors.  Saddam bribed the UN
inspectors and the UN Staff so as to not find any problems and hopefully
they would get released from all the sanctions and be free to expand their
deadly plans.  Saddam had already bribed the French UN authorities to go for
release on the sanctions using the oil for food money to bribe them.
Clinton apparently was aware of this and did nothing on his watch.


     3- The Democrat's don't care anything about the deficit either except
as a vote gathering argument.  Look at Kennedy and Kerry always voting for
more taxes for everything that benefits them for re-election, but no
Military Defense and no defense of our borders.  Kerry always voted against
them.

The point is that anything to the extreme is possibly dangerous either way.

Clinton burying his head in the sand with Monica in charge of his zipper
while he destroys our defenses or Bush, possibly overreacting and trying to
undue all the damage and start a trend to reverse the Middle East's (and the
world's) way of looking at us.

Carter and Clinton and managed to create a defenseless paper giant scared to
react to their attacks on our nation.

We are not a paper giant, we can bite too.  Regan, Bush 1 and Bush 2 have
proved that.

Thank goodness we have a president that is willing to try and fix things and
with the help of a great nation and the people in it he and others to follow
him may have a chance to do better.  But we have to keep trying for our
children and their children, etc.
Nuff said, the facts of the economy prove me out.  It ain't wonderful but it
is improving, In spite of the politicians goal of outsourcing most of the
jobs in the manufacturing trade areas.

D T

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 12:04 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] the president NASA and hubble


The President started the war because (1) he could not do anything about the
economy so he started   the war despite any real evidence of WMDs. (2) He
and
(don't get me started) only count on money if it is defense contracts and
the
military. (3) They don't care about the deficit.

as for

> "I don't know what the White House is thinking. If one cant handle the
> risks and costs associated with fixing Hubble, then one might as well
> forget about trying to get a manned mission to Mars.  One obviously
> doesn't have the stomach for it."
>
A robotic mission is too costly and will not work. Did you just hear how the
government spent 170 million dollars on a computer system to overhaul the
system to battle against 911 but failed miserably!!!!!! Can you imagine what
they
would do with a billion dollar robotics mission and the mission to Mars?
Meanwhile where would they get the money while we spend a billion dollars a
week in
Iraq and elsewhere.

Manned spaceflight needs to do the job for the space station and more. The
space station needs a lot of maintenance besides the Hubble. (Also as I said
the
comet probe crashed - can you imagine what can be done trying to ride the
hubble back down?).

The astronauts did it with the hubble the first time and they did it right.
That is what the astronauts are suposed to do handle missions in space.

The Columbia disaster was bungling at the highest level because the higher
ups did not listen to what they engineers told them. THe rode the space
shuttle
down on a prayer that nothing would go wrong instead of using the
information
they already head to save the astronauts in space which could have been
done.

As for Mars. The President's vision is nothing but short sightedness and
myopic views of reality. He is grandstanding for something that will cost
too much
for what it will provide. We need to go to the moon first. What do we need
to
do on Mars that we have not already done with the splendid rovers ? Do we
need to go to Mars just to bring back Mars rocks (which we already have on
Earth
in the form of Meteorites) and find some Mars fossils. Is that worth the
cost
of   a mindless ego?

That is my take

Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...),
member,   ASKC-Astronomical Society of Kansas City,
Olathe, KS. USA,
JPL / NASA Solar System Ambassador, Kansas:


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--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "sm20" <sm20@f...> wrote:
> Others like Shelly's and that place that they called Scopeville, have
> only grass and worked out most of the time.

Yes, but what was once called Scopeville, for those of us that put our
blood, sweat and tears into the place, remember than when any digging
was involved, you went through 6 inches of dirt and then hit the solid
limestone shelf. The whole place was nothing but a big flat boulder
with a "carpet" of dirt and grass. 

So we need a bigger group of people and resources and beer.
 

-----Original Message-----
From: sc285 [mailto:webmaster@...] 
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 5:03 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Re: DSS and Roads.



--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "sm20" <sm20@f...> wrote:
> Others like Shelly's and that place that they called Scopeville, have
> only grass and worked out most of the time.

Yes, but what was once called Scopeville, for those of us that put our
blood, sweat and tears into the place, remember than when any digging
was involved, you went through 6 inches of dirt and then hit the solid
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At the last Board Meeting, it was announced that the Marathon would be March 11 and 12.

Since we will have the dark site, I was thinking about holding it down there.

......and giving out door prizes!

-scott

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Don Machholz' Messier Marathon Observer's Guide.   says Mar 12 is primary 
week.

His chart for MM through 2019 shows about a 7-10 day window each year - so 
I'd rule out April 9 and go with the 12th of march (New Moon is March 10)
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At the last board meeting, it was suggested that we have this March 11, with 
1 March 12 backup date if needed.

Carroll Iorg

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Subject: Re: [ASKC] Messier Marathon


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Don't we need a door first?

Perhaps that door could be on a port o' john?

Rick Henderson

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Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Messier Marathon


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March 11 and 12.
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> Since we will have the dark site, I was thinking about holding it down
there.
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> ......and giving out door prizes!
>
> -scott
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As information, Kansas City Star Editorial Board member, Yael Abouhalkah, wrote an article subtitled "More trees, new lights would add life to drab downtown streets".
published in today's opinion section of the Kansas City Star.

A subheading, "a landscape of lighting", shows the three different options being considered for additional lighting for 7 blocks of downtown on 12th street,
from Wyandotte to Locust.  He encourages Star readers to give their opinions on which lighting design they think is best for downtown Kansas City.

It appears from the graphics that option 1 might feature a shielding design, but the article doesn't really mention anything about shielding.

We can send in the coupon to express our preference or opinion or go to the kansascity.com website also.

Yael's number is listed at the end of the article: (816) 234-4887 or email abouhalkah@....

Carroll Iorg

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Ouch!!  With the clouds we've had in the past couple months given the 
few (admitted) purchases of astronomical equipment in the club, I'd 
say purchasing the DSS will curse us with about 2.5 millenia of 
clouds.......   Hopefully the weather will turn in our favor soon so 
we can really enjoy the new land once the paperwork is done.

Maybe we should consider renaming it the "Weather Observational 
Site", to try and fool the Weather Gods......  but there's always the 
chance that will backfire.  Sacrifices?

Mitch Glaze





--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Randy Thompson" <randythm@k...> wrote:
> I'm sure that the DSS will be open to any member at any time, even 
if there
> is a TSP, Okie-Tex, etc.... going on at the time. One should only be
> concerned about the condition of the road leading back to the 
observing
> site. I know I don't want to get stuck in "OUR" mud. I know there 
is a curse
> for buying a new scope, is there a curse for buying a DSS?
> Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
> Randy
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dick Harshaw" <dwharshaw@k...>
> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 3:02 PM
> Subject: RE: [ASKC] Some 2005 Star Party dates
> 
> 
> >
> > I agree, but let's not "black out" any of the regular star party 
dates
> > around the nation as many ASKCers may not be going to TSP, NSP, 
etc.  If
> > locals wanted to get together on such weekends, that should not 
be a
> problem
> > for the dark sky site, eh?
> >
> > Dick H
> >
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gary Pittman [mailto:gary_rp@s...]
> > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 2:57 PM
> > To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [ASKC] Some 2005 Star Party dates
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> > July 4th weekend isn't bad either.
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Yes these matters have been thought about. There will be a new committee
formed to develop the site. I'm sure a hard road, with drainage tubes, and
some kind of restroom will have high priority. We have people in the club
who have access to machinery and know how to use it to make the road. They
tell me a ton of rock to lay down a good base is not very expensive.
Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
Randy
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To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>; <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Some 2005 Star Party dates


>
> This may be a little premature, but what will it cost to grade up a road
to the DSS and top it with about 5 inches of crushed rock?  It will need a
couple tubes under it for drainage, also.  I'd guess someone has already
looked into this.
> Geo.
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> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: 1/23/2005 3:38:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [ASKC] Some 2005 Star Party dates
>
>
> I'm sure that the DSS will be open to any member at any time, even if
there
> is a TSP, Okie-Tex, etc.... going on at the time. One should only be
> concerned about the condition of the road leading back to the observing
> site. I know I don't want to get stuck in "OUR" mud. I know there is a
curse
> for buying a new scope, is there a curse for buying a DSS?
> Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
> Randy
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dick Harshaw" <dwharshaw@...>
> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 3:02 PM
> Subject: RE: [ASKC] Some 2005 Star Party dates
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> >
> > I agree, but let's not "black out" any of the regular star party dates
> > around the nation as many ASKCers may not be going to TSP, NSP, etc.  If
> > locals wanted to get together on such weekends, that should not be a
> problem
> > for the dark sky site, eh?
> >
> > Dick H
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> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gary Pittman [mailto:gary_rp@...]
> > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 2:57 PM
> > To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [ASKC] Some 2005 Star Party dates
> >
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> >
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> > Clear skies,
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Randy Thompson" <randythm@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Some 2005 Star Party dates


>
> Yes these matters have been thought about. There will be a new committee
> formed to develop the site. I'm sure a hard road, with drainage tubes, and
> some kind of restroom will have high priority. We have people in the club
> who have access to machinery and know how to use it to make the road. They
> tell me a ton of rock to lay down a good base is not very expensive.
> Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
> Randy
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "George Allen" <geonjod@...>
> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>; <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 3:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [ASKC] Some 2005 Star Party dates
>
>
> >
> > This may be a little premature, but what will it cost to grade up a road
> to the DSS and top it with about 5 inches of crushed rock?  It will need a
> couple tubes under it for drainage, also.  I'd guess someone has already
> looked into this.
> > Geo.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: Randy Thompson
> > To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: 1/23/2005 3:38:14 PM
> > Subject: Re: [ASKC] Some 2005 Star Party dates
> >
> >
> > I'm sure that the DSS will be open to any member at any time, even if
> there
> > is a TSP, Okie-Tex, etc.... going on at the time. One should only be
> > concerned about the condition of the road leading back to the observing
> > site. I know I don't want to get stuck in "OUR" mud. I know there is a
> curse
> > for buying a new scope, is there a curse for buying a DSS?
> > Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
> > Randy
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Dick Harshaw" <dwharshaw@...>
> > To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 3:02 PM
> > Subject: RE: [ASKC] Some 2005 Star Party dates
> >
> >
> > >
> > > I agree, but let's not "black out" any of the regular star party dates
> > > around the nation as many ASKCers may not be going to TSP, NSP, etc.
If
> > > locals wanted to get together on such weekends, that should not be a
> > problem
> > > for the dark sky site, eh?
> > >
> > > Dick H
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Gary Pittman [mailto:gary_rp@...]
> > > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 2:57 PM
> > > To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: RE: [ASKC] Some 2005 Star Party dates
> > >
> > >
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> > > Great idea Kathy!
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> > > Clear skies,
> > >
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> > > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 1:17 PM
> > > To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [ASKC] Some 2005 Star Party dates
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> > > There doesn't seem to be anything Labor day weekend, which is good
> > > moon-wise.
> > > July 4th weekend isn't bad either.
> > >
> > > Maybe we can plan a camp out for  three-day weekends July 1-4, Sept
2-5
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NEED HELP Mill Creek Elem this Tues.  Jan 25.
Mill Creek Elementary   6:30 - 8pm
2601 N Liberty
Independence, MO
816-521- 2820

our contact: Liz Hite cell 519-1783

Dick Harshaw & I will be there. '10'  -  scopes would not be too many!
Even if you can't bring a scope - you can be very helpful - directing lines - 
answering questions, etc.
The school will also have a scope that can be used.  Liz did not know what 
kind.
I will be there probably by 4:30.
Mike Sterling
wk 816-842-1707 x16
cell 816-456-7468


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George up till this time we have only conserned ourselves with the big issues such as Mosquitoes, 500 year flood water levle, and fog and other assorted things of this nature. We thought we would wait till the land was ours before we moved on to little things like a road ,water and lights.
 
                         Larry G

George Allen <geonjod@...> wrote:
This may be a little premature, but what will it cost to grade up a road to the DSS and top it with about 5 inches of crushed rock?  It will need a couple tubes under it for drainage, also.  I'd guess someone has already looked into this.  
Geo.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Randy Thompson 
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 1/23/2005 3:38:14 PM 
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Some 2005 Star Party dates


I'm sure that the DSS will be open to any member at any time, even if there
is a TSP, Okie-Tex, etc.... going on at the time. One should only be
concerned about the condition of the road leading back to the observing
site. I know I don't want to get stuck in "OUR" mud. I know there is a curse
for buying a new scope, is there a curse for buying a DSS?
Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
Randy
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dick Harshaw" <dwharshaw@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 3:02 PM
Subject: RE: [ASKC] Some 2005 Star Party dates


>
> I agree, but let's not "black out" any of the regular star party dates
> around the nation as many ASKCers may not be going to TSP, NSP, etc.  If
> locals wanted to get together on such weekends, that should not be a
problem
> for the dark sky site, eh?
>
> Dick H
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary Pittman [mailto:gary_rp@...]
> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 2:57 PM
> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [ASKC] Some 2005 Star Party dates
>
>
>
> Great idea Kathy!
>
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>
> Clear skies,
>
> Gary Pittman
> gary_rp@...
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>
>
>
>   _____
>
> From: Kathy [mailto:kmachin@...]
> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 1:17 PM
> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [ASKC] Some 2005 Star Party dates
>
>
>
> There doesn't seem to be anything Labor day weekend, which is good
> moon-wise.
> July 4th weekend isn't bad either.
>
> Maybe we can plan a camp out for  three-day weekends July 1-4, Sept 2-5 at
> the dark sky site?
>
> Kathy Machin
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When it becomes time to dig at OUR DARK SKY SITE we can find out from the previous owner what in the ground and how deep it is.
 
            Larry G

sc285 <webmaster@...> wrote:

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "sm20" <sm20@f...> wrote:
> Others like Shelly's and that place that they called Scopeville, have
> only grass and worked out most of the time.

Yes, but what was once called Scopeville, for those of us that put our
blood, sweat and tears into the place, remember than when any digging
was involved, you went through 6 inches of dirt and then hit the solid
limestone shelf. The whole place was nothing but a big flat boulder
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A port-a-jon is expensive 60.00 a month we had private contributions for the last one maybe if someone comes foreward who knows.
 
            Larry G

Rick Henderson <rhenderson1@...> wrote:
Don't we need a door first?

Perhaps that door could be on a port o' john?

Rick Henderson

----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Messier Marathon


>
> At the last Board Meeting, it was announced that the Marathon would be
March 11 and 12.
>
> Since we will have the dark site, I was thinking about holding it down
there.
>
> ......and giving out door prizes!
>
> -scott
>
> -------------- Original message -------------- 
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> Don Machholz' Messier Marathon Observer's Guide.   says Mar 12 is primary
> week.
>
> His chart for MM through 2019 shows about a 7-10 day window each year - so
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Rock itself is not expensive ( twelve ) dollars a ton. the expensive part is the hauling. I just paid $321.00 for 27 tons. 
 
                      Larry G
P.S. youwant to find a Quarry as close as is possible
 

Randy Thompson <randythm@...> wrote:
Yes these matters have been thought about. There will be a new committee
formed to develop the site. I'm sure a hard road, with drainage tubes, and
some kind of restroom will have high priority. We have people in the club
who have access to machinery and know how to use it to make the road. They
tell me a ton of rock to lay down a good base is not very expensive.
Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
Randy
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "George Allen" <geonjod@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>; <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Some 2005 Star Party dates


>
> This may be a little premature, but what will it cost to grade up a road
to the DSS and top it with about 5 inches of crushed rock?  It will need a
couple tubes under it for drainage, also.  I'd guess someone has already
looked into this.
> Geo.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Randy Thompson
> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: 1/23/2005 3:38:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [ASKC] Some 2005 Star Party dates
>
>
> I'm sure that the DSS will be open to any member at any time, even if
there
> is a TSP, Okie-Tex, etc.... going on at the time. One should only be
> concerned about the condition of the road leading back to the observing
> site. I know I don't want to get stuck in "OUR" mud. I know there is a
curse
> for buying a new scope, is there a curse for buying a DSS?
> Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
> Randy
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dick Harshaw" <dwharshaw@...>
> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 3:02 PM
> Subject: RE: [ASKC] Some 2005 Star Party dates
>
>
> >
> > I agree, but let's not "black out" any of the regular star party dates
> > around the nation as many ASKCers may not be going to TSP, NSP, etc.  If
> > locals wanted to get together on such weekends, that should not be a
> problem
> > for the dark sky site, eh?
> >
> > Dick H
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gary Pittman [mailto:gary_rp@...]
> > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 2:57 PM
> > To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [ASKC] Some 2005 Star Party dates
> >
> >
> >
> > Great idea Kathy!
> >
> >
> >
> > Clear skies,
> >
> > Gary Pittman
> > gary_rp@...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >   _____
> >
> > From: Kathy [mailto:kmachin@...]
> > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 1:17 PM
> > To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [ASKC] Some 2005 Star Party dates
> >
> >
> >
> > There doesn't seem to be anything Labor day weekend, which is good
> > moon-wise.
> > July 4th weekend isn't bad either.
> >
> > Maybe we can plan a camp out for  three-day weekends July 1-4, Sept 2-5
at
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The next thing  to learn is how far, at a depth of 5 inches and a width of 12 feet, will 27 tons of crushed rock cover?  My book says crushed limestone or gravel, 1-2", weighs 100-125 pounds per cubic foot.  Who's good at math?  Larry is correct, the trucking is more expensive than the rock.    
Geo.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: larry goode 
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 1/23/2005 9:02:33 PM 
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Some 2005 Star Party dates


Rock itself is not expensive ( twelve ) dollars a ton. the expensive part is the hauling. I just paid $321.00 for 27 tons. 

                      Larry G
P.S. youwant to find a Quarry as close as is possible

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David has a skid loader with trailer, and a 1 ton flatbed truck to pull it. I also have lots of pipe of various sizes to make culverts and gate posts. The gravel will be the costly part. We'll need some big stuff for a base in the wet areas and that stuff is really a booger to move around by hand. The 1 1/2 for the rest of the path can be shoveled but why do that if we have a skid loader?  Let's leave the details up to the site developement guys/gals that will be selected after we own the land.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: sm20 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 4:45 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] DSS and Roads.


  At this point we don't have the land yet. But as soon as we do :-)  

  The cost to grade the road will be high, we might want to start our own
  little fundraiser just for that and other things like power and water.
  That's where we need Joe,David and others that have equipment and help
  planning it out.
  If nothing else for the first year that we could pour tire tracks of
  crushed rock on the 3 or 4 bad spots. That's one to two loads pour by
  hand, it is work, but fun in a group!

  Others like Shelly's and that place that they called Scopeville, have
  only grass and worked out most of the time.

  -Just thinking out loud

  Friends of the DSS
  Dave F.



  -----Original Message-----
  From: George Allen [mailto:geonjod@...] 
  Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 3:58 PM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com; ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] Some 2005 Star Party dates


  This may be a little premature, but what will it cost to grade up a road
  to the DSS and top it with about 5 inches of crushed rock?  It will need
  a couple tubes under it for drainage, also.  I'd guess someone has
  already looked into this.  
  Geo.


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Randy Thompson 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: 1/23/2005 3:38:14 PM 
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] Some 2005 Star Party dates


  I'm sure that the DSS will be open to any member at any time, even if
  there
  is a TSP, Okie-Tex, etc.... going on at the time. One should only be
  concerned about the condition of the road leading back to the observing
  site. I know I don't want to get stuck in "OUR" mud. I know there is a
  curse
  for buying a new scope, is there a curse for buying a DSS?
  Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
  Randy
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Dick Harshaw" <dwharshaw@...>
  To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
  Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 3:02 PM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] Some 2005 Star Party dates


  >
  > I agree, but let's not "black out" any of the regular star party dates
  > around the nation as many ASKCers may not be going to TSP, NSP, etc.
  If
  > locals wanted to get together on such weekends, that should not be a
  problem
  > for the dark sky site, eh?
  >
  > Dick H
  >
  >
  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: Gary Pittman [mailto:gary_rp@...]
  > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 2:57 PM
  > To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  > Subject: RE: [ASKC] Some 2005 Star Party dates
  >
  >
  >
  > Great idea Kathy!
  >
  >
  >
  > Clear skies,
  >
  > Gary Pittman
  > gary_rp@...
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >   _____
  >
  > From: Kathy [mailto:kmachin@...]
  > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 1:17 PM
  > To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  > Subject: [ASKC] Some 2005 Star Party dates
  >
  >
  >
  > There doesn't seem to be anything Labor day weekend, which is good
  > moon-wise.
  > July 4th weekend isn't bad either.
  >
  > Maybe we can plan a camp out for  three-day weekends July 1-4, Sept
  2-5 at
  > the dark sky site?
  >
  > Kathy Machin
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I rember those damn rocks very well since I dug most of the trenchs :-)
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  Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 5:03 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] Re: DSS and Roads.



  --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "sm20" <sm20@f...> wrote:
  > Others like Shelly's and that place that they called Scopeville, have
  > only grass and worked out most of the time.

  Yes, but what was once called Scopeville, for those of us that put our
  blood, sweat and tears into the place, remember than when any digging
  was involved, you went through 6 inches of dirt and then hit the solid
  limestone shelf. The whole place was nothing but a big flat boulder
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ah ha. I was at that school science night and missed a board meeting for the first time in ages. I'll mark that date in my little book.
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  Subject: Re: [ASKC] Messier Marathon


  At the last Board Meeting, it was announced that the Marathon would be March 11 and 12.

  Since we will have the dark site, I was thinking about holding it down there.

  ......and giving out door prizes!

  -scott

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  Don Machholz' Messier Marathon Observer's Guide.   says Mar 12 is primary 
  week.

  His chart for MM through 2019 shows about a 7-10 day window each year - so 
  I'd rule out April 9 and go with the 12th of march (New Moon is March 10)
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Our cars have doors. That's good enough for me:-)
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  Subject: Re: [ASKC] Messier Marathon


  Don't we need a door first?

  Perhaps that door could be on a port o' john?

  Rick Henderson

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We need to find the nearest quarry. I have access to a small dump truck and many of us have pickups. A caravan of pickups could move a lot of gravel!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: larry goode 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 9:02 PM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] Some 2005 Star Party dates


  Rock itself is not expensive ( twelve ) dollars a ton. the expensive part is the hauling. I just paid $321.00 for 27 tons. 

                        Larry G
  P.S. youwant to find a Quarry as close as is possible


  Randy Thompson <randythm@...> wrote:
  Yes these matters have been thought about. There will be a new committee
  formed to develop the site. I'm sure a hard road, with drainage tubes, and
  some kind of restroom will have high priority. We have people in the club
  who have access to machinery and know how to use it to make the road. They
  tell me a ton of rock to lay down a good base is not very expensive.
  Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
  Randy
  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>; <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
  Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 3:57 PM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] Some 2005 Star Party dates


  >
  > This may be a little premature, but what will it cost to grade up a road
  to the DSS and top it with about 5 inches of crushed rock?  It will need a
  couple tubes under it for drainage, also.  I'd guess someone has already
  looked into this.
  > Geo.
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  > ----- Original Message ----- 
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  > To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  > Sent: 1/23/2005 3:38:14 PM
  > Subject: Re: [ASKC] Some 2005 Star Party dates
  >
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  > I'm sure that the DSS will be open to any member at any time, even if
  there
  > is a TSP, Okie-Tex, etc.... going on at the time. One should only be
  > concerned about the condition of the road leading back to the observing
  > site. I know I don't want to get stuck in "OUR" mud. I know there is a
  curse
  > for buying a new scope, is there a curse for buying a DSS?
  > Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
  > Randy
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  > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 3:02 PM
  > Subject: RE: [ASKC] Some 2005 Star Party dates
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  > > I agree, but let's not "black out" any of the regular star party dates
  > > around the nation as many ASKCers may not be going to TSP, NSP, etc.  If
  > > locals wanted to get together on such weekends, that should not be a
  > problem
  > > for the dark sky site, eh?
  > >
  > > Dick H
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  > > From: Kathy [mailto:kmachin@...]
  > > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 1:17 PM
  > > To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  > > Subject: [ASKC] Some 2005 Star Party dates
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  > > There doesn't seem to be anything Labor day weekend, which is good
  > > moon-wise.
  > > July 4th weekend isn't bad either.
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Not yet, but I will scan one and up load it.  Or you can email me and  I will 
snail mail it.
 
Tim Kristl
 
 
In a message dated 1/23/05 10:34:18 AM Central Standard Time,  
RichHathaway@... writes:


Is  there a downloadable document that gives CORE pledge levels, info 
on how  to make out checks and where to send them, etc?

I checked the Files  area and the ASKC Web site, but didn't find one.

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George, that means about 16 cu ft per ton.  16 cu ft would cover about 38 sq
ft using 5-inch deep laydown.  So one ton (say $12) would cover 38 sq ft--
using a road that is 8 ft wide, that would be a little over four feet of
road for a ton of gravel.  With a road about 1,000 ft long, that's roughly
230 tons of gravel.  (That assumes a road from the county road to the
observing field; if we just filled in low spots, etc., it would take much
less.)

Dick "Abacus Fingers" Harshaw


-----Original Message-----
From: George Allen [mailto:geonjod@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 9:18 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Getting in and out



The next thing  to learn is how far, at a depth of 5 inches and a width of
12 feet, will 27 tons of crushed rock cover?  My book says crushed limestone
or gravel, 1-2", weighs 100-125 pounds per cubic foot.  Who's good at math?
Larry is correct, the trucking is more expensive than the rock.
Geo.

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To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 1/23/2005 9:02:33 PM
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Some 2005 Star Party dates


Rock itself is not expensive ( twelve ) dollars a ton. the expensive part is
the hauling. I just paid $321.00 for 27 tons.

                      Larry G
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> The next thing  to learn is how far, at a depth of 5 inches and a 
> width of 12 feet, will 27 tons of crushed rock cover?  My book says 
> crushed limestone or gravel, 1-2", weighs 100-125 pounds per cubic 
> foot.  Who's good at math?  Larry is correct, the trucking is more 
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Well, 5 inches by 12 feet is 5 cuft per linear foot of road. At 125 lb 
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Thank You Gina!!
Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
Randy
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We did such a road at the Omaha AstroPark and then maintained it for 25 years.  It is much easier if a road grader is hired to make a crowned, level surface on which to put the rock.  This means that in the low spots the road will be built up quite a bit and a tube will be required for water to pass through underneath.  Seems like a lot of trouble but you can't fight Mother Nature and win.  Even with tubes we lost the roadbed a few times due to heavy downpours.  A grader can do a lot of work in 2 or 3 hours, but can cost $200 an hour.  The drivers are very good at what they do and produce level beds quickly.  Usually a bargain.  It might be a good thing to also get a sheepsfoot to compact the dirt, thereby lessoning the chance for a washout.  The guy with the grader will also have a sheepsfoot available.  Otherwise, ask the rock truck drivers to make a couple passes on the dirt with their full trucks before dropping any rock.  Then have subsequent drivers drive on the first rock, etc.  These loaded trucks have a weight over 50,000 pounds and will pack the dirt very well.  We will need about 20 truck loads unless they use pups, then the number of runs will be about 10-12.

Then it only remains to spread rock.  Someone mentioned using larger rock, 2-3" for a first course, also a good idea.  But doing this with pickups isn't so good.  Dick's calculations show around 230 tons (about 200 pickup loads!) would be needed for an 8 foot path, but that would be kind of narrow.  A 10 or 12 foot bed would be more comfortable to drive across, leaving about 2-3 feet between your tire and the edge, but still not enough to have 2 cars meet.  That should not be required anyway, as you can see the entire roadway from each end and the traffic normally is all going the same direction. 

The rock guys are skilled in "tailgate" spreading crushed rock and can lay down a uniform course by opening their tailgate a few inches and driving while raising the bed.  Works just fine and does not require any finishing.  They typically do not charge for tailgate spreading.  Moving 200 tons of rock by hand is a great deal tougher than it might seem.  If the grader is kept on scene while the trucks drop the rock, the grader can easily smooth any problem areas with a couple passes.  If that isn't possible, a farm tractor with a blade or box grader can fix rough spots well.

If the distance is 1000 feet, and that sounds about right,  the total cost for a graded, rock covered, nearly any weather road good for at least 3 or 4 years, will be around $8000-9000.  A lot of money but maybe well worth the effort.  If members have trouble getting in and out it will greatly diminish the fun and good times to be had there.  Don't forget that driving in the dark over crushed rock is a lot easier because you can see the white stuff if there is any light at all.

  I don't know about Missouri, but in some places you can bribe, uh tip,  the county road guys to make a pass on your private road once in a while and it is okay by the bosses.  When they are in the area maybe somebody can ask them.  $20-40 might get us a lot of upkeep or snow removal.  Maybe this could be arranged with the county roads engineer.  After all, we are a public service group.

Craig brought up another good point.  When you start putting rock on the ground it seems it is sucked out of sight, and you can't figure out where it went.  Looks like a lot in the truck, but sure looks puny on the road.  Never the less, access should be the next thing after the ink is dry, and it is always cheaper in the long run to do it right the first time.  As ol' Ben says, "A stitch in time saves nine."

Geo.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Dick Harshaw 
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 1/23/2005 10:28:38 PM 
Subject: RE: [ASKC] Getting in and out


George, that means about 16 cu ft per ton.  16 cu ft would cover about 38 sq
ft using 5-inch deep laydown.  So one ton (say $12) would cover 38 sq ft--
using a road that is 8 ft wide, that would be a little over four feet of
road for a ton of gravel.  With a road about 1,000 ft long, that's roughly
230 tons of gravel.  (That assumes a road from the county road to the
observing field; if we just filled in low spots, etc., it would take much
less.)

Dick "Abacus Fingers" Harshaw


-----Original Message-----
From: George Allen [mailto:geonjod@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 9:18 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Getting in and out



The next thing  to learn is how far, at a depth of 5 inches and a width of
12 feet, will 27 tons of crushed rock cover?  My book says crushed limestone
or gravel, 1-2", weighs 100-125 pounds per cubic foot.  Who's good at math?
Larry is correct, the trucking is more expensive than the rock.
Geo.

----- Original Message -----
From: larry goode
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 1/23/2005 9:02:33 PM
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Some 2005 Star Party dates


Rock itself is not expensive ( twelve ) dollars a ton. the expensive part is
the hauling. I just paid $321.00 for 27 tons.

                      Larry G
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GUYS!

This is how it's done!!!
****  THIS IS A NO-BRAINER !!!  CALL THE QUARRY ! ****

The gravel doesn't cost ANY LESS to have the gravel truck dump it slowly 
out of the back of the truck - than if you crush your pickup bed and haul 
and spread it yourself.   You need to call the closest QUARRY, tell them 
you'll need a few loads of gravel.  It comes in different sizes, based on 
whether you're on your first pass or your 10th pass.  - but it still costs 
the same per ton.

You order the gravel by the truckload.  (It's about $110 - $130 a load) - 
that's 15 tons.

  [ again... 15 tons = about $120 ]

(NOBODY IN THIS GROUP CAN ARGUE TO ME THE WAY YOU CAN BUY GRAVEL AND SPREAD 
BY HAND WITH SHOVELS AS A BETTER BARGAIN THAN $120 FOR 15 TONS! ! ! !)  So 
call the quarry and spend a hundred or two and get your problem solved in a 
few minutes waving at the driver.

If you have a path that's been driven, then the driver knows where to 
go.  You just tell him where to start and stop.  If nobody can be there for 
the drop, then you flag the start and stop off.   He can't get the truck in 
until the ground is somewhat dry - OR FROZEN!

For those who have been to the Ranch, it takes 3 truckloads to get from the 
highway to the office.... 3 loads to get from the office to the 
crossing..... then 1-2 more loads to do the hill and the circle driveway.

The first time you put gravel down, order 3" rock!

You have to start with big rocks to smush them down.   Later - like in the 
summer or fall, - more smaller rocks can be used atop the first 
pass.  Worry about that later.

Clear Skies,
jen

****  THIS IS A NO-BRAINER !!!  CALL THE QUARRY! ****

At 04:45 PM 1/23/2005, you wrote:

>At this point we don't have the land yet. But as soon as we do :-)
>
>The cost to grade the road will be high, we might want to start our own
>little fundraiser just for that and other things like power and water.
>That's where we need Joe,David and others that have equipment and help
>planning it out.
>If nothing else for the first year that we could pour tire tracks of
>crushed rock on the 3 or 4 bad spots. That's one to two loads pour by
>hand, it is work, but fun in a group!
>
>Others like Shelly's and that place that they called Scopeville, have
>only grass and worked out most of the time.
>
>-Just thinking out loud
>
>Friends of the DSS
>Dave F.
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>From: George Allen [mailto:geonjod@...]
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>To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com; ASKC@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [ASKC] Some 2005 Star Party dates
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>This may be a little premature, but what will it cost to grade up a road
>to the DSS and top it with about 5 inches of crushed rock?  It will need
>a couple tubes under it for drainage, also.  I'd guess someone has
>already looked into this.
>Geo.
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>From: Randy Thompson
>To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: 1/23/2005 3:38:14 PM
>Subject: Re: [ASKC] Some 2005 Star Party dates
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>I'm sure that the DSS will be open to any member at any time, even if
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>concerned about the condition of the road leading back to the observing
>site. I know I don't want to get stuck in "OUR" mud. I know there is a
>curse
>for buying a new scope, is there a curse for buying a DSS?
>Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
>Randy
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Dick Harshaw" <dwharshaw@...>
>To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 3:02 PM
>Subject: RE: [ASKC] Some 2005 Star Party dates
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> > I agree, but let's not "black out" any of the regular star party dates
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>If
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>problem
> > for the dark sky site, eh?
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> > Dick H
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Is the porta-potty now gone?  Can we get it back now that we have the site?  I'll pay for a couple months.

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A port-a-jon is expensive 60.00 a month we had private contributions for the last one maybe if someone comes foreward who knows.

            Larry G

Rick Henderson <rhenderson1@...> wrote:
Don't we need a door first?

Perhaps that door could be on a port o' john?

Rick Henderson

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Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Messier Marathon


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> At the last Board Meeting, it was announced that the Marathon would be
March 11 and 12.
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> Since we will have the dark site, I was thinking about holding it down
there.
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> -scott
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> Don Machholz' Messier Marathon Observer's Guide.   says Mar 12 is primary
> week.
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Well the next thing to think about is heavy farm equipment........ remember if the farmer needs access to the field down in the "bottoms", is going to driving his tractor, equipment, and combine over this road?  If so, we need it wide enough for him (or get him to pitch in some money).  The drainage tile under the road will also have to support the weight of the equipment.

Or are we going to ban him from using the main road and give him another way to drive across our land?

-Scott

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David has a skid loader with trailer, and a 1 ton flatbed truck to pull it. I also have lots of pipe of various sizes to make culverts and gate posts. The gravel will be the costly part. We'll need some big stuff for a base in the wet areas and that stuff is really a booger to move around by hand. The 1 1/2 for the rest of the path can be shoveled but why do that if we have a skid loader?  Let's leave the details up to the site developement guys/gals that will be selected after we own the land.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: sm20 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 4:45 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] DSS and Roads.


  At this point we don't have the land yet. But as soon as we do :-)  

  The cost to grade the road will be high, we might want to start our own
  little fundraiser just for that and other things like power and water.
  That's where we need Joe,David and others that have equipment and help
  planning it out.
  If nothing else for the first year that we could pour tire tracks of
  crushed rock on the 3 or 4 bad spots. That's one to two loads pour by
  hand, it is work, but fun in a group!

  Others like Shelly's and that place that they called Scopeville, have
  only grass and worked out most of the time.

  -Just thinking out loud

  Friends of the DSS
  Dave F.



  -----Original Message-----
  From: George Allen [mailto:geonjod@...] 
  Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 3:58 PM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com; ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] Some 2005 Star Party dates


  This may be a little premature, but what will it cost to grade up a road
  to the DSS and top it with about 5 inches of crushed rock?  It will need
  a couple tubes under it for drainage, also.  I'd guess someone has
  already looked into this.  
  Geo.


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Randy Thompson 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: 1/23/2005 3:38:14 PM 
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] Some 2005 Star Party dates


  I'm sure that the DSS will be open to any member at any time, even if
  there
  is a TSP, Okie-Tex, etc.... going on at the time. One should only be
  concerned about the condition of the road leading back to the observing
  site. I know I don't want to get stuck in "OUR" mud. I know there is a
  curse
  for buying a new scope, is there a curse for buying a DSS?
  Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
  Randy
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Dick Harshaw" <dwharshaw@...>
  To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
  Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 3:02 PM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] Some 2005 Star Party dates


  >
  > I agree, but let's not "black out" any of the regular star party dates
  > around the nation as many ASKCers may not be going to TSP, NSP, etc.
  If
  > locals wanted to get together on such weekends, that should not be a
  problem
  > for the dark sky site, eh?
  >
  > Dick H
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  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: Gary Pittman [mailto:gary_rp@...]
  > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 2:57 PM
  > To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  > Subject: RE: [ASKC] Some 2005 Star Party dates
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  > Great idea Kathy!
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  > Clear skies,
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  > gary_rp@...
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  > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 1:17 PM
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  > There doesn't seem to be anything Labor day weekend, which is good
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  > July 4th weekend isn't bad either.
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You are probably the most experienced with road maintenance. When we need to move a drill rig into a soft plowed field we call a trucking company and have  3 inch rock delivered. They back in and drop the rock as they go. Anything smaller won't hold the rig (54,000 lb) but it sure is lumpy. You can't move it by hand and the trucks don't get it as level as you would like so a loader or blade is a must. We have used pick up trucks to  haul a lot of small rock to fill in or top dress the larger stuff. Buying direct from a quarry instead of from a landscape outfit is definitely the way to go.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Victor Winter, ICSTARS Astronomy 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 2:55 AM
  Subject: [ASKC] DSS and Roads.


  GUYS!

  This is how it's done!!!
  ****  THIS IS A NO-BRAINER !!!  CALL THE QUARRY ! ****

  The gravel doesn't cost ANY LESS to have the gravel truck dump it slowly 
  out of the back of the truck - than if you crush your pickup bed and haul 
  and spread it yourself.   You need to call the closest QUARRY, tell them 
  you'll need a few loads of gravel.  It comes in different sizes, based on 
  whether you're on your first pass or your 10th pass.  - but it still costs 
  the same per ton.

  You order the gravel by the truckload.  (It's about $110 - $130 a load) - 
  that's 15 tons.

    [ again... 15 tons = about $120 ]

  (NOBODY IN THIS GROUP CAN ARGUE TO ME THE WAY YOU CAN BUY GRAVEL AND SPREAD 
  BY HAND WITH SHOVELS AS A BETTER BARGAIN THAN $120 FOR 15 TONS! ! ! !)  So 
  call the quarry and spend a hundred or two and get your problem solved in a 
  few minutes waving at the driver.

  If you have a path that's been driven, then the driver knows where to 
  go.  You just tell him where to start and stop.  If nobody can be there for 
  the drop, then you flag the start and stop off.   He can't get the truck in 
  until the ground is somewhat dry - OR FROZEN!

  For those who have been to the Ranch, it takes 3 truckloads to get from the 
  highway to the office.... 3 loads to get from the office to the 
  crossing..... then 1-2 more loads to do the hill and the circle driveway.

  The first time you put gravel down, order 3" rock!

  You have to start with big rocks to smush them down.   Later - like in the 
  summer or fall, - more smaller rocks can be used atop the first 
  pass.  Worry about that later.

  Clear Skies,
  jen

  ****  THIS IS A NO-BRAINER !!!  CALL THE QUARRY! ****

  At 04:45 PM 1/23/2005, you wrote:

  >At this point we don't have the land yet. But as soon as we do :-)
  >
  >The cost to grade the road will be high, we might want to start our own
  >little fundraiser just for that and other things like power and water.
  >That's where we need Joe,David and others that have equipment and help
  >planning it out.
  >If nothing else for the first year that we could pour tire tracks of
  >crushed rock on the 3 or 4 bad spots. That's one to two loads pour by
  >hand, it is work, but fun in a group!
  >
  >Others like Shelly's and that place that they called Scopeville, have
  >only grass and worked out most of the time.
  >
  >-Just thinking out loud
  >
  >Friends of the DSS
  >Dave F.
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  >-----Original Message-----
  >From: George Allen [mailto:geonjod@...]
  >Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 3:58 PM
  >To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com; ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  >Subject: Re: [ASKC] Some 2005 Star Party dates
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  >This may be a little premature, but what will it cost to grade up a road
  >to the DSS and top it with about 5 inches of crushed rock?  It will need
  >a couple tubes under it for drainage, also.  I'd guess someone has
  >already looked into this.
  >Geo.
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  >From: Randy Thompson
  >To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  >Sent: 1/23/2005 3:38:14 PM
  >Subject: Re: [ASKC] Some 2005 Star Party dates
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  >I'm sure that the DSS will be open to any member at any time, even if
  >there
  >is a TSP, Okie-Tex, etc.... going on at the time. One should only be
  >concerned about the condition of the road leading back to the observing
  >site. I know I don't want to get stuck in "OUR" mud. I know there is a
  >curse
  >for buying a new scope, is there a curse for buying a DSS?
  >Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
  >Randy
  >----- Original Message -----
  >From: "Dick Harshaw" <dwharshaw@...>
  >To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
  >Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 3:02 PM
  >Subject: RE: [ASKC] Some 2005 Star Party dates
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  > > I agree, but let's not "black out" any of the regular star party dates
  > > around the nation as many ASKCers may not be going to TSP, NSP, etc.
  >If
  > > locals wanted to get together on such weekends, that should not be a
  >problem
  > > for the dark sky site, eh?
  > >
  > > Dick H
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  > > Subject: RE: [ASKC] Some 2005 Star Party dates
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  > > July 4th weekend isn't bad either.
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This part is being worked on by Tim.. (access road for farmer).

 

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From: s.kranz1@... [mailto:s.kranz1@...] 
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 4:56 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] DSS and Roads.

 

Well the next thing to think about is heavy farm equipment........ remember
if the farmer needs access to the field down in the "bottoms", is going to
driving his tractor, equipment, and combine over this road?  If so, we need
it wide enough for him (or get him to pitch in some money).  The drainage
tile under the road will also have to support the weight of the equipment.

Or are we going to ban him from using the main road and give him another way
to drive across our land?

-Scott

-------------- Original message -------------- 
David has a skid loader with trailer, and a 1 ton flatbed truck to pull it.
I also have lots of pipe of various sizes to make culverts and gate posts.
The gravel will be the costly part. We'll need some big stuff for a base in
the wet areas and that stuff is really a booger to move around by hand. The
1 1/2 for the rest of the path can be shoveled but why do that if we have a
skid loader?  Let's leave the details up to the site developement guys/gals
that will be selected after we own the land.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: sm20 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 4:45 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] DSS and Roads.


  At this point we don't have the land yet. But as soon as we do :-)  

  The cost to grade the road will be high, we might want to start our own
  little fundraiser just for that and other things like power and water.
  That's where we need Joe,David and others that have equipment and help
  planning it out.
  If nothing else for the first year that we could pour tire tracks of
  crushed rock on the 3 or 4 bad spots. That's one to two loads pour by
  hand, it is work, but fun in a group!

  Others like Shelly's and that place that they called Scopeville, have
  only grass and worked out most of the time.

  -Just thinking out loud

  Friends of the DSS
  Dave F.



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  Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 3:58 PM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com; ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] Some 2005 Star Party dates


  This may be a little premature, but what will it cost to grade up a road
  to the DSS and top it with about 5 inches of crushed rock?  It will need
  a couple tubes under it for drainage, also.  I'd guess someone has
  already looked into this.  
  Geo.


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Randy Thompson 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: 1/23/2005 3:38:14 PM 
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] Some 2005 Star Party dates


  I'm sure that the DSS will be open to any member at any time, even if
  there
  is a TSP, Okie-Tex, etc.... going on at the time. One should only be
  concerned about the condition of the road leading back to the observing
  site. I know I don't want to get stuck in "OUR" mud. I know there is a
  curse
  for buying a new scope, is there a curse for buying a DSS?
  Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
  Randy
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Dick Harshaw" <dwharshaw@...>
  To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
  Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 3:02 PM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] Some 2005 Star Party dates


  >
  > I agree, but let's not "black out" any of the regular star party dates
  > around the nation as many ASKCers may not be going to TSP, NSP, etc.
  If
  > locals wanted to get together on such weekends, that should not be a
  problem
  > for the dark sky site, eh?
  >
  > Dick H
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  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: Gary Pittman [mailto:gary_rp@...]
  > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 2:57 PM
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  > Great idea Kathy!
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  > Clear skies,
  >
  > Gary Pittman
  > gary_rp@...
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  > There doesn't seem to be anything Labor day weekend, which is good
  > moon-wise.
  > July 4th weekend isn't bad either.
  >
  > Maybe we can plan a camp out for  three-day weekends July 1-4, Sept
  2-5 at
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My grandparents did it with a rhubarb pie waiting at the house at the
end of
the road :-).  also helped to be republican ward chairholder and nth
degree mason too.

>

<snip>

>   I don't know about Missouri, but in some places you can bribe, uh
> tip,  the county road guys to make a pass on your private road once in
> a while and it is okay by the bosses.  When they are in the area maybe
> somebody can ask them.  $20-40 might get us a lot of upkeep or snow
> removal.  Maybe this could be arranged with the county roads
> engineer.  After all, we are a public service group.

> Yes, but what was once called Scopeville, for those of us that put our
> blood, sweat and tears into the place, remember than when any digging
> was involved, you went through 6 inches of dirt and then hit the solid
> limestone shelf. The whole place was nothing but a big flat boulder
> with a "carpet" of dirt and grass.

My next-door-neighbor in Brookside had a pool  put in.  If she'd asked me I 
could have told her it was SOLID ROCK under there.  It was to cost extra if 
they hit rock. Well it was nothing BUT rock.  You should have seen it.  I saw 
the piles of "dirt" they pulled out...it was no dirt and ALL rock. At first I was 
wondering if they would find any Civil War bullets or bodies because we 
aren't far from where one of the Confederate batallions (or whatever you call 
it) were lined up in the Battle of Westport.  But when I saw it was nothing but 
rock I figured no silver was buried THERE.  

I heard they quarried the stone for our basements, from right there.  Back in 
1910 how did they dig up our basements?   Anyway.  

Anyone else getting the impression that people are somewhat eager to get into the dark:-)

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Some people used slege hammers and star drills to drill holes to put dynamite into. I've seen some "dug" wells that went through 20 feet of solid limestone. Now those guys were determined! A lot of the limestone that looks solid at first glance has layers with thin shale or clay seams. Once you get a seam started you can peal the rock back. It's hard on backhoe teeth but what looks solid usually isn't. Then there's the Bethany Falls limestone that is so solid it weathers in 10 to 20 foot blocks instead of those flat pieces you can make walkways out of. That's the layer that many of the mines in the Kansas City area are dug into.
   

  I heard they quarried the stone for our basements, from right there.  Back in 
  1910 how did they dig up our basements?   Anyway.  



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Other then being at work, the sun being up, a full moon just around the
corner, and the fact that we don't own anything yet.

 

Do you think that would stop us?

 

 

Can we go yet?    Are we there yet?     Are we?

 

 

 

I do have a question, Do any of the other Astronomical Societies (? sp) own
land?  

If so, what kind of things have they done, or what things to look out for?

 

 

 

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From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...] 
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 2:08 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] dss

 

Anyone else getting the impression that people are somewhat eager to get
into the dark:-)

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Thanks, Tim, but Larry Goode was kind enough to personally drop off a 
packet at my house on Sunday.

Rich

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, TKristl100@a... wrote:
>  
> Not yet, but I will scan one and up load it.  Or you can email me 
and  I will 
> snail mail it.
>  
> Tim Kristl
>

Several own land, and a few less actually own observatories.  We are in a
small and elite group, folks!


Dick H


-----Original Message-----
From: SM20 [mailto:sm20@...]
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 6:27 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ASKC] dss



Other then being at work, the sun being up, a full moon just around the
corner, and the fact that we don't own anything yet.



Do you think that would stop us?





Can we go yet?    Are we there yet?     Are we?







I do have a question, Do any of the other Astronomical Societies (? sp) own
land?

If so, what kind of things have they done, or what things to look out for?







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Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 2:08 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] dss



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If we get some warm-ish days in the next 2 weeks, I plan on trying to head out there on Saturday, February 5.  It depends on what kind of weather we get.

-scott

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Mike,
I'll plan to come to help. Can't get there until about 6pm. I'll 
probably bring my 8" DOB but it's kind of a pain for this purpose 
because it has to be continually repositioned. We'll have a full 
(Wolf) moon. Hopefully the sky will be clear.
Doug Spalding


--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, mikekansascity@a... wrote:
> NEED HELP Mill Creek Elem this Tues.  Jan 25.
> Mill Creek Elementary   6:30 - 8pm
> 2601 N Liberty
> Independence, MO
> 816-521- 2820
> 
> our contact: Liz Hite cell 519-1783
> 
> Dick Harshaw & I will be there. '10'  -  scopes would not be too 
many!
> Even if you can't bring a scope - you can be very helpful - 
directing lines - 
> answering questions, etc.
> The school will also have a scope that can be used.  Liz did not 
know what 
> kind.
> I will be there probably by 4:30.
> Mike Sterling
> wk 816-842-1707 x16
> cell 816-456-7468
> 
> 
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Hey, folks! I need stuff!!!! Please send along whatever you'd like to 
see printed.

Thanks!
Marcia

----- Original Message ----- 
From: SM20 
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 1/24/2005 4:25:39 PM 
Subject: RE: [ASKC] dss



I do have a question, Do any of the other Astronomical Societies (? sp) own
land?  

If so, what kind of things have they done, or what things to look out for?


Yes, the Omaha Astronomical Society bought 4 acres about 50 miles south of Omaha in 1978.  It is known as AstroPark and is still in operation.  We have phone service but never brought in electricity or water. Members use auto batteries for the buildings and scopes.  An outhouse over a hole served for many years but has been replaced with a commercial job site type.  Members have been allowed to build personal observatories over the years on plots of land about 25 feet square.  They pay a small fee each year for this.  Several observatories have been sold between members. There are concrete pads for all members to use, eating tables, bbq made from a 55 gallon barrel, an all weather parking lot in which RV's can be parked for days while observing. There is also a doghouse affair in which the club stores a 13 inch dob for general use.   

The biggest headache has been the road.  It is about 1/3 mile and is shared with a rock quarry which is also landlocked. The sky is reasonably dark and since the site is on the south side of a hill, members have reported seeing Omega Centauri low in the south on the meridian.  

It was my privilege to have been president when most of this was accomplished.  If I can help in anyway with the DSS, please let me know.  We made some mistakes...actually lots of them. But we did some things right.

Geo. Allen 

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Yes, many other clubs have bought land.   The first one that comes to mind
is the Dallas club.  

Perhaps Ed Flaspoehler can enlighten us...  Ed?

     Jackie Beucher
Sales - EMJ - Kansas City
     Ph: 816-483-4140
  Toll free: 800-821-2500
     fax: 816-241-3677


-----Original Message-----
From: SM20 [mailto:sm20@...]
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 6:27 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ASKC] dss



Other then being at work, the sun being up, a full moon just around the
corner, and the fact that we don't own anything yet.

 

Do you think that would stop us?

 

 

Can we go yet?    Are we there yet?     Are we?

 

 

 

I do have a question, Do any of the other Astronomical Societies (? sp) own
land?  

If so, what kind of things have they done, or what things to look out for?

 

 

 

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From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...] 
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 2:08 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] dss

 

Anyone else getting the impression that people are somewhat eager to get
into the dark:-)

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Recently, I did a survey of other AL clubs about the size of the ASKC in
similar sized markets and found that two have dark sky sites only (Portland,
OR and San Diego, CA).  Sixteen others have observatories (with or without
dark sky sites). These include:  Sacramento, CA; Salt Lake City, UT;
Chicago, IL; San Francisco, CA; KC, MO; St. Louis, MO; Atlanta, GA; Miami,
FL; Denver, CO; New Orleans, LA; Milwaukee, WI; Hartford, CT; Los Angeles,
CA; Cleveland, OH; Charlotte, NC; and San Atonio, TX.

Dick H


-----Original Message-----
From: Beucher, Jackie [mailto:JBeucher@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 7:04 AM
To: 'ASKC@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [ASKC] dss



Yes, many other clubs have bought land.   The first one that comes to mind
is the Dallas club.

Perhaps Ed Flaspoehler can enlighten us...  Ed?

     Jackie Beucher
Sales - EMJ - Kansas City
     Ph: 816-483-4140
  Toll free: 800-821-2500
     fax: 816-241-3677


-----Original Message-----
From: SM20 [mailto:sm20@...]
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 6:27 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ASKC] dss



Other then being at work, the sun being up, a full moon just around the
corner, and the fact that we don't own anything yet.



Do you think that would stop us?





Can we go yet?    Are we there yet?     Are we?







I do have a question, Do any of the other Astronomical Societies (? sp) own
land?

If so, what kind of things have they done, or what things to look out for?







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From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 2:08 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] dss



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into the dark:-)

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Mike,
I plan on coming with my 10" dob (get off work at 5:00PM in 
Lenexa).   Hope I can find it (tnx for the cell phone in case).    
(Just shine some of those powerful - uh - 5mw - green lasers up in 
the sky for a locator beacon.)

Gary Martin 

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, mikekansascity@a... wrote:
> NEED HELP Mill Creek Elem this Tues.  Jan 25.
> Mill Creek Elementary   6:30 - 8pm
> 2601 N Liberty
> Independence, MO
> 816-521- 2820
> 
> our contact: Liz Hite cell 519-1783
> 
> Dick Harshaw & I will be there. '10'  -  scopes would not be too 
many!
> Even if you can't bring a scope - you can be very helpful - 
directing lines - 
> answering questions, etc.
> The school will also have a scope that can be used.  Liz did not 
know what 
> kind.
> I will be there probably by 4:30.
> Mike Sterling
> wk 816-842-1707 x16
> cell 816-456-7468
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Yo, GM- good to have you on the crew!  (I kind of figured you'd be there.)

Dick H


-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Martin [mailto:birdtunabear@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 7:51 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Re: NEED HELP Mill Creek Elem Tues




Mike,
I plan on coming with my 10" dob (get off work at 5:00PM in 
Lenexa).   Hope I can find it (tnx for the cell phone in case).    
(Just shine some of those powerful - uh - 5mw - green lasers up in 
the sky for a locator beacon.)

Gary Martin 

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, mikekansascity@a... wrote:
> NEED HELP Mill Creek Elem this Tues.  Jan 25.
> Mill Creek Elementary   6:30 - 8pm
> 2601 N Liberty
> Independence, MO
> 816-521- 2820
> 
> our contact: Liz Hite cell 519-1783
> 
> Dick Harshaw & I will be there. '10'  -  scopes would not be too 
many!
> Even if you can't bring a scope - you can be very helpful - 
directing lines - 
> answering questions, etc.
> The school will also have a scope that can be used.  Liz did not 
know what 
> kind.
> I will be there probably by 4:30.
> Mike Sterling
> wk 816-842-1707 x16
> cell 816-456-7468
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]








 
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What is the address there? And what time?

2601 N. Liberty, Independence, MO.  (Coming south on 291 after you cross the
MO River, take a right (west) on Courtney Road. Go about a mile to Kentucky
Road and turn right (west) to North Liberty Avenue.  Take a left (south) and
go about 1/2 mile or so.  ON the east side of the road.)

I'm planning on getting there about 5:30.  Mike Sterling will be there at
5:00, Gary Martin and Doug Spalding around 6:00 or a little after.

Dick


-----Original Message-----
From: Anastacialyn69@... [mailto:Anastacialyn69@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 8:58 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ASKC] Re: NEED HELP Mill Creek Elem Tues



What is the address there? And what time?






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I PLAN TO BE THERE.

JOE

The Orange County Astronomers in Calif. (not an AL member) has its 
own 20-acre dark-sky site in the foothills near Anza, Calif. It has 
an observatory with, I believe, a 24". Members own or lease pads and 
private observatories. Virtual tour at:

http://www.ocastronomers.org/about_oca/club_observing_sites/anza_virtu
al_tour/anzavirtual_001.asp

The Tucson club uses two different dark-sky sites. They are in the 
midst of building an observatory on one of them.

Rich Hathaway


--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Dick Harshaw" <dwharshaw@k...> wrote:
> Recently, I did a survey of other AL clubs about the size of the 
ASKC in
> similar sized markets and found that two have dark sky sites only 
(Portland,
> OR and San Diego, CA).  Sixteen others have observatories (with or 
without
> dark sky sites). These include:  Sacramento, CA; Salt Lake City, UT;
> Chicago, IL; San Francisco, CA; KC, MO; St. Louis, MO; Atlanta, GA; 
Miami,
> FL; Denver, CO; New Orleans, LA; Milwaukee, WI; Hartford, CT; Los 
Angeles,
> CA; Cleveland, OH; Charlotte, NC; and San Atonio, TX.
> 
> Dick H
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Beucher, Jackie [mailto:JBeucher@e...]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 7:04 AM
> To: 'ASKC@yahoogroups.com'
> Subject: RE: [ASKC] dss
> 
> Yes, many other clubs have bought land.   The first one that comes 
to mind
> is the Dallas club.
> 
> Perhaps Ed Flaspoehler can enlighten us...  Ed?
> 
>      Jackie Beucher
> Sales - EMJ - Kansas City
>      Ph: 816-483-4140
>   Toll free: 800-821-2500
>      fax: 816-241-3677
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SM20 [mailto:sm20@f...]
> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 6:27 PM
> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [ASKC] dss
> 
> Other then being at work, the sun being up, a full moon just around 
the
> corner, and the fact that we don't own anything yet.
> 
> Do you think that would stop us?
> 
> Can we go yet?    Are we there yet?     Are we?
> 
> I do have a question, Do any of the other Astronomical Societies (? 
sp) own
> land?
> 
> If so, what kind of things have they done, or what things to look 
out for?

I need a decent job (at least $10/hr, full time) relatively quickly
and I'm trying to get everybody I can to help me.  If you are hiring
or know of someone who would hire an English major/ journalist/teacher
please let me know.

I would even consider a finder's fee for the person who gives me
information that leads to my employment.

Forgive me for straying from astronomy, but desperate times call for
desperate measures.

Clear skies,
Leif

Depending on your educational background and college degree, you might want
to check the adjunct (DeVry speak for part-time) teacher availability at
DeVry University.  Phone number 816-941-0430 or check their website at
www.kc.devry.edu.

I can't guarantee if they have any openings, but it's worth checking.  I
know they require at least a Bachelor's degree in the field of the course
and they may require a Master's.  I know in the technical areas such as
electronics and computers, they require at least a Master's.

Rick Henderson

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From: "Leif Bahl" <leifbahl@...>
To: "ASKC newsgroup" <askc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 11:25 PM
Subject: [ASKC] Help! off topic


>
> I need a decent job (at least $10/hr, full time) relatively quickly
> and I'm trying to get everybody I can to help me.  If you are hiring
> or know of someone who would hire an English major/ journalist/teacher
> please let me know.
>
> I would even consider a finder's fee for the person who gives me
> information that leads to my employment.
>
> Forgive me for straying from astronomy, but desperate times call for
> desperate measures.
>
> Clear skies,
> Leif
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>

Anyone interested in staffing a scout group at Powell on March 26? That's general meeting night.

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I talks to the Prez (Joe) about it and he says, "Go for it, dude!"

So here's the deal.  Remember the first New Member's Night we had at Powell
back in the late fall?  We're going to have another one on Saturday, April
2.

It's for any new members (and older ones too) who would like to learn more
about HOW TO OBSERVE DOUBLE STARS.  I'll prepare 3-ring binders for everyone
with double star stuff in them and give a short presentation on double stars
and how to observe them, from the really easy ones (like Betelgeuse and
Rigel*) to the ridiculously difficult.  Also, if you have a Celestron
MicroGuide or Meade Astrometric eyepiece and want to learn how to use it to
actually measure double stars (or other things in the sky), bring it with
you and I'll show you how it's done.  (If you want, bring your scope too so
I can show you best how to use it with your rig, as the linear scales on
both eyepieces are extremely equipment dependant.)

To make sure I have enough binders, this is an RSVP event.  If you will be
coming down that night for the session, please send me an email
(dwharshaw@...) and I'll prepare a binder for you.  (If you don't give
me your reservation, you can still show up, but don't expect a binder.....)

Sunset on the 2nd of April is 6:43 pm, so I'll arrive an hour or so early to
open Powell and get the classroom ready.  We'll start the workshop at 6:30
pm so by time I'm done bloviating, it will be dark enough to see some double
stars double stars.

Jacket and tie optional, and not required.


Richard Harshaw
Stardeck Observatory
1817 NE 83rd Street
Kansas City, MO   64118
(816) 468-0929

"Predictions are hard to make, especially about the future."  -- Niels Bohr


* Betelgeuse and Rigel aren't really a double star system.  Rigel is, of
course, an easy binary, and Betelgeuse is a speckle triple, but Betelgeuse
and Rigel are not related in any way (other than sharing roles in the same
constellation).  Just checking to see if you read this closely enough to be
puzzled!


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Who's the speaker or what's the meeting topic on March 26th?

Rick Henderson

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I was flipping through my calendar and remembered that I volunteered to help out at Barstow School on March 3rd.  I have a contact name of Diana Abitz at 913-649-9217.

Do I need to contact her or has David or anyone already called her to tell her that some of us will be there?  If I remember correctly, a couple of other folks volunteered to help out also.

I'd like to discuss things with all who volunteered so we can have figured out who does what.  Also, I have a PowerPoint show that I have been using for Scout groups on "Intro to Astronomy" that might be able to be used if its cloudy or whatever.

Rick Henderson

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Hi Folks,

Some of you, like me, might be interested in the $300 Meade Deep Space Imager....here is a thoughful and helpful review posted at 

http://www.astromart.com/articles/article.asp?article_id=210

Also.... has anyone in the club bought one of these yet???

Enjoy!  : ^ )     Dave H. 




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I'll help, and maybe it will turn out like the Mill Creek show.

 

Dave F.

 

Anyone else want to help out????

 

 

 

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From: Joe Wright [mailto:jswright@...] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 9:13 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Science Night

 

We have another request for a science night on Monday, Feb. 7th from
6:30 to 8:00pm at the John Nowlin Elem. school in Blue Springs.

I have requested more information to be sent.

Any takers?












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I have April 2 logged in the book as Novice Night. I'll change it to New Member's Night. I like the sound of that better!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Dick Harshaw 
  To: ASKC Egroup 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 8:06 AM
  Subject: [ASKC] New Member's Night at Powell, April 2


  I talks to the Prez (Joe) about it and he says, "Go for it, dude!"

  So here's the deal.  Remember the first New Member's Night we had at Powell
  back in the late fall?  We're going to have another one on Saturday, April
  2.

  It's for any new members (and older ones too) who would like to learn more
  about HOW TO OBSERVE DOUBLE STARS.  I'll prepare 3-ring binders for everyone
  with double star stuff in them and give a short presentation on double stars
  and how to observe them, from the really easy ones (like Betelgeuse and
  Rigel*) to the ridiculously difficult.  Also, if you have a Celestron
  MicroGuide or Meade Astrometric eyepiece and want to learn how to use it to
  actually measure double stars (or other things in the sky), bring it with
  you and I'll show you how it's done.  (If you want, bring your scope too so
  I can show you best how to use it with your rig, as the linear scales on
  both eyepieces are extremely equipment dependant.)

  To make sure I have enough binders, this is an RSVP event.  If you will be
  coming down that night for the session, please send me an email
  (dwharshaw@...) and I'll prepare a binder for you.  (If you don't give
  me your reservation, you can still show up, but don't expect a binder.....)

  Sunset on the 2nd of April is 6:43 pm, so I'll arrive an hour or so early to
  open Powell and get the classroom ready.  We'll start the workshop at 6:30
  pm so by time I'm done bloviating, it will be dark enough to see some double
  stars double stars.

  Jacket and tie optional, and not required.


  Richard Harshaw
  Stardeck Observatory
  1817 NE 83rd Street
  Kansas City, MO   64118
  (816) 468-0929

  "Predictions are hard to make, especially about the future."  -- Niels Bohr


  * Betelgeuse and Rigel aren't really a double star system.  Rigel is, of
  course, an easy binary, and Betelgeuse is a speckle triple, but Betelgeuse
  and Rigel are not related in any way (other than sharing roles in the same
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Mike Sterling, Jay Manifold, Larry Goode and Rick Henderson said they would be there. Diana is expecting us with the StarLab and some telescopes but we haven't talked about any other presentations. 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 9:12 AM
  Subject: [ASKC] Barstow Night March 3rd


  I was flipping through my calendar and remembered that I volunteered to help out at Barstow School on March 3rd.  I have a contact name of Diana Abitz at 913-649-9217.

  Do I need to contact her or has David or anyone already called her to tell her that some of us will be there?  If I remember correctly, a couple of other folks volunteered to help out also.

  I'd like to discuss things with all who volunteered so we can have figured out who does what.  Also, I have a PowerPoint show that I have been using for Scout groups on "Intro to Astronomy" that might be able to be used if its cloudy or whatever.

  Rick Henderson

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If I am in town that day, I'll help, but there is a good chance I'll be out
of town on business.  I'll let you know as we get closer to that date.


Dick H


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Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 4:08 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Barstow Night March 3rd



Mike Sterling, Jay Manifold, Larry Goode and Rick Henderson said they would
be there. Diana is expecting us with the StarLab and some telescopes but we
haven't talked about any other presentations.
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Rick Henderson
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 9:12 AM
  Subject: [ASKC] Barstow Night March 3rd


  I was flipping through my calendar and remembered that I volunteered to
help out at Barstow School on March 3rd.  I have a contact name of Diana
Abitz at 913-649-9217.

  Do I need to contact her or has David or anyone already called her to tell
her that some of us will be there?  If I remember correctly, a couple of
other folks volunteered to help out also.

  I'd like to discuss things with all who volunteered so we can have figured
out who does what.  Also, I have a PowerPoint show that I have been using
for Scout groups on "Intro to Astronomy" that might be able to be used if
its cloudy or whatever.

  Rick Henderson

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Asteroid 2001DA42 has just been named............ "Douglasadams"

Read the story:  http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6867061/

Cool!

There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable.  There is another which states that this has already happened. -  Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy by Douglas Adams

time for a Pan-Galactic Gargle Blaster
-Scott

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42
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  Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 4:02 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] Asteroid 2001DA42


  Asteroid 2001DA42 has just been named............ "Douglasadams"

  Read the story:  http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6867061/

  Cool!

  There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable.  There is another which states that this has already happened. -  Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy by Douglas Adams

  time for a Pan-Galactic Gargle Blaster
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42

Dick H


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Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 4:03 PM
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Subject: [ASKC] Asteroid 2001DA42



Asteroid 2001DA42 has just been named............ "Douglasadams"

Read the story:  http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6867061/

Cool!

There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what
the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be
replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable.  There is another
which states that this has already happened. -  Hitchhikers Guide to the
Galaxy by Douglas Adams

time for a Pan-Galactic Gargle Blaster
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great minds?
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  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 4:57 PM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] Asteroid 2001DA42


  42

  Dick H


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  Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 4:03 PM
  To: !_askc
  Subject: [ASKC] Asteroid 2001DA42



  Asteroid 2001DA42 has just been named............ "Douglasadams"

  Read the story:  http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6867061/

  Cool!

  There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what
  the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be
  replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable.  There is another
  which states that this has already happened. -  Hitchhikers Guide to the
  Galaxy by Douglas Adams

  time for a Pan-Galactic Gargle Blaster
  -Scott

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Obviously!  ;^)

Dick H


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great minds?
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  42

  Dick H


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  Subject: [ASKC] Asteroid 2001DA42



  Asteroid 2001DA42 has just been named............ "Douglasadams"

  Read the story:  http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6867061/

  Cool!

  There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what
  the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be
  replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable.  There is
another
  which states that this has already happened. -  Hitchhikers Guide to the
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  time for a Pan-Galactic Gargle Blaster
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Folks, 

This year the Mid-America Regional Astrophysics Conference is scheduled for
April 15-16 at University of Missouri in Kansas City. 
The announcement is posted at
http://www.physics.ku.edu/marac/marac.shtml

BTW, it would be appropriate, and of real local interest, if someone put together a brief (ten minute) well illustrated .ppt program on the fine ASKC asteroid work done at Powell the last several years. Show the equipment used, annual statistics, any discoveries, notable successes. Just an idea. But I would be glad to help on the side.

Dave H. 







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Something to keep in mind  about  the DDS. Mud this time of year does not come from a little bit of rain, it comes from the frost line way down in the ground. When the frost comes to the surface it creates a bottomless pit on the way. this is the worst kind of mud there is. I am going to try to go down this weekend and look the place over,to see if the tractors tore the road up very bad if anyone wants to go ,give me a call.
 
              Larry G


s.kranz1@... wrote:
If we get some warm-ish days in the next 2 weeks, I plan on trying to head out there on Saturday, February 5.  It depends on what kind of weather we get.

-scott

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Anyone else getting the impression that people are somewhat eager to get into the dark:-)

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I'll join in the mud fun...
 
Dave F.

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Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 6:50 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] dss


Something to keep in mind  about  the DDS. Mud this time of year does
not come from a little bit of rain, it comes from the frost line way
down in the ground. When the frost comes to the surface it creates a
bottomless pit on the way. this is the worst kind of mud there is. I am
going to try to go down this weekend and look the place over,to see if
the tractors tore the road up very bad if anyone wants to go ,give me a
call.

              Larry G


s.kranz1@... wrote:
If we get some warm-ish days in the next 2 weeks, I plan on trying to
head out there on Saturday, February 5.  It depends on what kind of
weather we get.

-scott

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Anyone else getting the impression that people are somewhat eager to get
into the dark:-)

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Oh, boy, oh boy.  It's gonna be a Fizzie Party!

I'll be there too if the weather holds and the mud does not get deeper than
38 feet.


Dick H


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I'll join in the mud fun...

Dave F.

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Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 6:50 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
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Something to keep in mind  about  the DDS. Mud this time of year does
not come from a little bit of rain, it comes from the frost line way
down in the ground. When the frost comes to the surface it creates a
bottomless pit on the way. this is the worst kind of mud there is. I am
going to try to go down this weekend and look the place over,to see if
the tractors tore the road up very bad if anyone wants to go ,give me a
call.

              Larry G


s.kranz1@... wrote:
If we get some warm-ish days in the next 2 weeks, I plan on trying to
head out there on Saturday, February 5.  It depends on what kind of
weather we get.

-scott

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Anyone else getting the impression that people are somewhat eager to get
into the dark:-)

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Should I ask why the 38 foot limit?
 

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Oh, boy, oh boy.  It's gonna be a Fizzie Party!

I'll be there too if the weather holds and the mud does not get deeper
than
38 feet.


Dick H


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Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 7:56 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ASKC] dss



I'll join in the mud fun...

Dave F.

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From: larry goode [mailto:lagoode916@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 6:50 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] dss


Something to keep in mind  about  the DDS. Mud this time of year does
not come from a little bit of rain, it comes from the frost line way
down in the ground. When the frost comes to the surface it creates a
bottomless pit on the way. this is the worst kind of mud there is. I am
going to try to go down this weekend and look the place over,to see if
the tractors tore the road up very bad if anyone wants to go ,give me a
call.

              Larry G


s.kranz1@... wrote:
If we get some warm-ish days in the next 2 weeks, I plan on trying to
head out there on Saturday, February 5.  It depends on what kind of
weather we get.

-scott

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Anyone else getting the impression that people are somewhat eager to get
into the dark:-)

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Oh, I dunno. Just sounded like a cool depth.

DH


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Should I ask why the 38 foot limit?
 

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Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 7:59 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ASKC] dss


Oh, boy, oh boy.  It's gonna be a Fizzie Party!

I'll be there too if the weather holds and the mud does not get deeper
than
38 feet.


Dick H


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From: sm20 [mailto:sm20@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 7:56 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ASKC] dss



I'll join in the mud fun...

Dave F.

-----Original Message-----
From: larry goode [mailto:lagoode916@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 6:50 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] dss


Something to keep in mind  about  the DDS. Mud this time of year does
not come from a little bit of rain, it comes from the frost line way
down in the ground. When the frost comes to the surface it creates a
bottomless pit on the way. this is the worst kind of mud there is. I am
going to try to go down this weekend and look the place over,to see if
the tractors tore the road up very bad if anyone wants to go ,give me a
call.

              Larry G


s.kranz1@... wrote:
If we get some warm-ish days in the next 2 weeks, I plan on trying to
head out there on Saturday, February 5.  It depends on what kind of
weather we get.

-scott

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David,

Thanks for the info.

I can either bring just me, me and my 8", me and my PowerPoint slide show or
whatever anyone wants me to do.  I've never run the Star Lab, but I'm not
opposed to helping and/or learning.

Rick Henderson

----- Original Message -----
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To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 4:08 PM
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Barstow Night March 3rd


>
> Mike Sterling, Jay Manifold, Larry Goode and Rick Henderson said they
would be there. Diana is expecting us with the StarLab and some telescopes
but we haven't talked about any other presentations.
>   ----- Original Message -----
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>   Subject: [ASKC] Barstow Night March 3rd
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>   I was flipping through my calendar and remembered that I volunteered to
help out at Barstow School on March 3rd.  I have a contact name of Diana
Abitz at 913-649-9217.
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tell her that some of us will be there?  If I remember correctly, a couple
of other folks volunteered to help out also.
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>   I'd like to discuss things with all who volunteered so we can have
figured out who does what.  Also, I have a PowerPoint show that I have been
using for Scout groups on "Intro to Astronomy" that might be able to be used
if its cloudy or whatever.
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Make my pan-galactic gargle blaster a double.

But wait a minute...  Shouldn't we "demand rigidly defined areas of doubt
and uncertainty" first?

Rick Henderson

----- Original Message -----
From: <s.kranz1@...>
To: "!_askc" <askc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 4:02 PM
Subject: [ASKC] Asteroid 2001DA42


>
> Asteroid 2001DA42 has just been named............ "Douglasadams"
>
> Read the story:  http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6867061/
>
> Cool!
>
> There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what
the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be
replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable.  There is another
which states that this has already happened. -  Hitchhikers Guide to the
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Jacket & tie?   What do you get for a tux?????
Tim
 
 
 
In a message dated 1/26/05 8:14:48 AM Central Standard Time,  
dwharshaw@... writes:


I  talks to the Prez (Joe) about it and he says, "Go for it, dude!"

So  here's the deal.  Remember the first New Member's Night we had at  Powell
back in the late fall?  We're going to have another one on  Saturday, April
2.

It's for any new members (and older ones too) who  would like to learn more
about HOW TO OBSERVE DOUBLE STARS.  I'll  prepare 3-ring binders for everyone
with double star stuff in them and give  a short presentation on double stars
and how to observe them, from the  really easy ones (like Betelgeuse and
Rigel*) to the ridiculously  difficult.  Also, if you have a Celestron
MicroGuide or Meade  Astrometric eyepiece and want to learn how to use it to
actually measure  double stars (or other things in the sky), bring it with
you and I'll show  you how it's done.  (If you want, bring your scope too so
I can show  you best how to use it with your rig, as the linear scales on
both  eyepieces are extremely equipment dependant.)

To make sure I have  enough binders, this is an RSVP event.  If you will be
coming down  that night for the session, please send me an email
(dwharshaw@...)  and I'll prepare a binder for you.  (If you don't give
me your  reservation, you can still show up, but don't expect a  binder.....)

Sunset on the 2nd of April is 6:43 pm, so I'll arrive an  hour or so early to
open Powell and get the classroom ready.  We'll  start the workshop at 6:30
pm so by time I'm done bloviating, it will be  dark enough to see some double
stars double stars.

Jacket and tie  optional, and not required.


Richard Harshaw
Stardeck  Observatory
1817 NE 83rd Street
Kansas City, MO    64118
(816) 468-0929






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Hi, Larry has been very puny with a really bad head cold.  He feels horrible. 
 So we haven't been out and around much.  I did look up and did see the moon. 
 yea !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   Hope everyone else is in good health.   I know we 
have been missed terribly.  :):))  

Just checking in--- Karen R.


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We would love to be there.  It's time to learn something new.  April seems 
awhile off but time goes by fast.  Karen and Larry Rice


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What's the matter with "42".
 


Clear skies,

Gary Pittman
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From: Dick Harshaw [mailto:dwharshaw@...] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 8:03 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ASKC] dss


Oh, I dunno. Just sounded like a cool depth.

DH


-----Original Message-----
From: sm20 [mailto:sm20@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 7:59 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ASKC] dss



Should I ask why the 38 foot limit?


-----Original Message-----
From: Dick Harshaw [mailto:dwharshaw@...] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 7:59 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ASKC] dss


Oh, boy, oh boy.  It's gonna be a Fizzie Party!

I'll be there too if the weather holds and the mud does not get deeper
than
38 feet.


Dick H


-----Original Message-----
From: sm20 [mailto:sm20@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 7:56 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ASKC] dss



I'll join in the mud fun...

Dave F.

-----Original Message-----
From: larry goode [mailto:lagoode916@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 6:50 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] dss


Something to keep in mind  about  the DDS. Mud this time of year does
not come from a little bit of rain, it comes from the frost line way
down in the ground. When the frost comes to the surface it creates a
bottomless pit on the way. this is the worst kind of mud there is. I am
going to try to go down this weekend and look the place over,to see if
the tractors tore the road up very bad if anyone wants to go ,give me a
call.

              Larry G


s.kranz1@... wrote:
If we get some warm-ish days in the next 2 weeks, I plan on trying to
head out there on Saturday, February 5.  It depends on what kind of
weather we get.

-scott

-------------- Original message --------------
Anyone else getting the impression that people are somewhat eager to get
into the dark:-)

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Yes, that sounds like a great idea.   Where can we find it?    :) K.R


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U get a tux here and a tux there.  hehehehe.   nite nite


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-------------- Original message -------------- 
Scott,

Make my pan-galactic gargle blaster a double.

But wait a minute...  Shouldn't we "demand rigidly defined areas of doubt
and uncertainty" first?

Rick Henderson

----- Original Message -----
From: <s.kranz1@...>
To: "!_askc" <askc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 4:02 PM
Subject: [ASKC] Asteroid 2001DA42


>
> Asteroid 2001DA42 has just been named............ "Douglasadams"
>
> Read the story:  http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6867061/
>
> Cool!
>
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the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be
replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable.  There is another
which states that this has already happened. -  Hitchhikers Guide to the
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A star named for you.  ;^)

DH


-----Original Message-----
From: TKristl100@... [mailto:TKristl100@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 9:58 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] New Member's Night at Powell, April 2



 
Jacket & tie?   What do you get for a tux?????
Tim
 
 
 

Got it.  Binders in production...

DH


-----Original Message-----
From: Karlar7@... [mailto:Karlar7@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 10:40 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] New Member's Night at Powell, April 2



We would love to be there.  It's time to learn something new.  April seems 
awhile off but time goes by fast.  Karen and Larry Rice


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Hmmm.  If we have to tell you, you probably would not understand.

Let me ask you another question, while we're on it:  What's the meaning of
life, the universe, and everything?


DH


-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Pittman [mailto:gary_rp@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 10:44 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ASKC] dss



What's the matter with "42".



Clear skies,

Gary Pittman
gary_rp@...




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From: Dick Harshaw [mailto:dwharshaw@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 8:03 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ASKC] dss


Oh, I dunno. Just sounded like a cool depth.

DH


-----Original Message-----
From: sm20 [mailto:sm20@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 7:59 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ASKC] dss



Should I ask why the 38 foot limit?


-----Original Message-----
From: Dick Harshaw [mailto:dwharshaw@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 7:59 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ASKC] dss


Oh, boy, oh boy.  It's gonna be a Fizzie Party!

I'll be there too if the weather holds and the mud does not get deeper
than
38 feet.


Dick H


-----Original Message-----
From: sm20 [mailto:sm20@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 7:56 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ASKC] dss



I'll join in the mud fun...

Dave F.

-----Original Message-----
From: larry goode [mailto:lagoode916@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 6:50 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] dss


Something to keep in mind  about  the DDS. Mud this time of year does
not come from a little bit of rain, it comes from the frost line way
down in the ground. When the frost comes to the surface it creates a
bottomless pit on the way. this is the worst kind of mud there is. I am
going to try to go down this weekend and look the place over,to see if
the tractors tore the road up very bad if anyone wants to go ,give me a
call.

              Larry G


s.kranz1@... wrote:
If we get some warm-ish days in the next 2 weeks, I plan on trying to
head out there on Saturday, February 5.  It depends on what kind of
weather we get.

-scott

-------------- Original message --------------
Anyone else getting the impression that people are somewhat eager to get
into the dark:-)

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Let's keep an eye on the weather for Sat.
Afternoon looks better then a.m.


>......I am going to try to go down this weekend and look the place 
>over,to see if the tractors tore the road up very bad if anyone 
>wants to go ,give me a call.
>  
>               Larry G

If  you take a triple  Pan-Galactic Gargle Blaster followed by a fifth of
Drambuie the answer  will become obvious.

Gil
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dick Harshaw" <dwharshaw@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 8:24 AM
Subject: RE: [ASKC] dss


>
> Hmmm.  If we have to tell you, you probably would not understand.
>
> Let me ask you another question, while we're on it:  What's the meaning of
> life, the universe, and everything?
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> DH
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>
> -----Original Message-----
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> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
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> What's the matter with "42".
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> Clear skies,
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> Gary Pittman
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> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 8:03 PM
> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [ASKC] dss
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> Oh, I dunno. Just sounded like a cool depth.
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> DH
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> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [ASKC] dss
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> Should I ask why the 38 foot limit?
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dick Harshaw [mailto:dwharshaw@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 7:59 PM
> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [ASKC] dss
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> Oh, boy, oh boy.  It's gonna be a Fizzie Party!
>
> I'll be there too if the weather holds and the mud does not get deeper
> than
> 38 feet.
>
>
> Dick H
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> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 7:56 PM
> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [ASKC] dss
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> I'll join in the mud fun...
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> Dave F.
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> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 6:50 PM
> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [ASKC] dss
>
>
> Something to keep in mind  about  the DDS. Mud this time of year does
> not come from a little bit of rain, it comes from the frost line way
> down in the ground. When the frost comes to the surface it creates a
> bottomless pit on the way. this is the worst kind of mud there is. I am
> going to try to go down this weekend and look the place over,to see if
> the tractors tore the road up very bad if anyone wants to go ,give me a
> call.
>
>               Larry G
>
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> s.kranz1@... wrote:
> If we get some warm-ish days in the next 2 weeks, I plan on trying to
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I know the date is more than two months away, but April 16 is Astronomy Day.  I made the mistake of going to the restroom during the last board meeting and when I returned I discovered I had been appointed Astronomy Day Person (I kid you not!).

It has been already decided that we will be at Union Station and also at Powell that day.

Anyway, I need to let the folks at Astronomy Magazine know the times we will be in operation so they can print up flyers.  They need the info by tomorrow (Eric, that would be Friday).

I'm soliciting suggestions regarding what times to give in our flyers.  Any input, especially from people who participated last year, would be appreciated.

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Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 8:24 AM
Subject: RE: [ASKC] dss


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> Hmmm.  If we have to tell you, you probably would not understand.
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> Let me ask you another question, while we're on it:  What's the meaning of
> life, the universe, and everything?
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> Oh, I dunno. Just sounded like a cool depth.
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> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 7:59 PM
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> Should I ask why the 38 foot limit?
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> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 7:59 PM
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> Oh, boy, oh boy.  It's gonna be a Fizzie Party!
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> I'll be there too if the weather holds and the mud does not get deeper
> than
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> I'll join in the mud fun...
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> Something to keep in mind  about  the DDS. Mud this time of year does
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> down in the ground. When the frost comes to the surface it creates a
> bottomless pit on the way. this is the worst kind of mud there is. I am
> going to try to go down this weekend and look the place over,to see if
> the tractors tore the road up very bad if anyone wants to go ,give me a
> call.
>
>               Larry G
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> s.kranz1@... wrote:
> If we get some warm-ish days in the next 2 weeks, I plan on trying to
> head out there on Saturday, February 5.  It depends on what kind of
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What about warm bodies volunteering to help with Astronomy day at either
Powell or Union Station?  Where and when do we sign up?  I'll help.

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Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 11:52 AM
Subject: [ASKC] Astronomy Day Question


>
> I know the date is more than two months away, but April 16 is Astronomy
Day.  I made the mistake of going to the restroom during the last board
meeting and when I returned I discovered I had been appointed Astronomy Day
Person (I kid you not!).
>
> It has been already decided that we will be at Union Station and also at
Powell that day.
>
> Anyway, I need to let the folks at Astronomy Magazine know the times we
will be in operation so they can print up flyers.  They need the info by
tomorrow (Eric, that would be Friday).
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Any input, especially from people who participated last year, would be
appreciated.
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    I have received a request from Dick Landingham for a copy of the talk M. Bachic gave at the last ASKC meeting. Anyone know who was taping the talk? (I know I misspelled his name, please correct my spelling.)
Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
Randy

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That would be Joe Wright.   Michael Bakich wants a copy , too....

     Jackie Beucher
Sales - EMJ - Kansas City
     Ph: 816-483-4140
  Toll free: 800-821-2500
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-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Thompson [mailto:randythm@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 12:51 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Bachic Talk



    I have received a request from Dick Landingham for a copy of the talk M.
Bachic gave at the last ASKC meeting. Anyone know who was taping the talk?
(I know I misspelled his name, please correct my spelling.)
Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
Randy

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Tonights  6 p.m. Planetarium meeting is in the Riss Room, Level A at 
Union Station.  (Same room as last week.)

Mitch Glaze

I am willing to help March 3 at Barstow.

Is the Star Lab, is that that blow-up thing that kids play in?  I am especially 
willing to help with that, sounds like fun?

I think I saw Joe with a camera down front.
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  Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 12:50 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] Bachic Talk


      I have received a request from Dick Landingham for a copy of the talk M. Bachic gave at the last ASKC meeting. Anyone know who was taping the talk? (I know I misspelled his name, please correct my spelling.)
  Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
  Randy

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dats it!
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  Subject: [ASKC] Re: Barstow Night March 3rd



  I am willing to help March 3 at Barstow.

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   Dave Fox, John Cavens, Pete Jefferis, Doug Spalding, Gary Martin, Dick 
Harshaw, Joe Wright and I - huffed and puffed and blew the clouds away! ... Hey, 
a little wishful thinking and a cooperative Mother Nature are always good 
partners for an elementary school 'Science Night.'
      Mill Creek Elementary in Independence was wowed with 9 telescopes and 8 
volunteers from our club, on Tuesday, January 25.  We had a few rain drops 
between 4 - 5 PM.  Mostly overcast and sucker holes were the early features of 
the night sky but, Gary Martin was able to hold their interest with recent 
video of Jupiter and the Moon.  The sky did clear and the crowd couldn't get 
enough of Saturn, the Moon, and Orion's Nebula.  Even being directly under the 
outside emergency light couldn't flood out the beauty of so many "first views" and 
their: "incredible - unbelievable - awesome - no way - oh my gosh" 
expressions.  PRICELESS  :))
    Thanks so much for so many helping.  I think we pretty much had people at 
all eight scopes for about an hour.  The school staff commented that, several 
parents and students said, "The telescopes and looking through them was the 
best part."
    We have several more schools lined up.  Come and help and get a mid week 
astro boost.
Mike Sterling 


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Thank You Jackie. Bakich
Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
Randy
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From: "Beucher, Jackie" <JBeucher@...>
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Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 1:05 PM
Subject: RE: [ASKC] Bachic Talk


>
> That would be Joe Wright.   Michael Bakich wants a copy , too....
>
>      Jackie Beucher
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> Subject: [ASKC] Bachic Talk
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>     I have received a request from Dick Landingham for a copy of the talk
M.
> Bachic gave at the last ASKC meeting. Anyone know who was taping the talk?
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ATTENTION JOE WRIGHT:
Will you please make copies of Michael Bakich's talk that I understand you
have taped? I understand that Mr. Bakich wants a copy and so does Dick
Landingham. Dick is a long time member and worked with Mr. Bakich at the old
planetarium.
Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
Randy
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To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 1:05 PM
Subject: RE: [ASKC] Bachic Talk


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> That would be Joe Wright.   Michael Bakich wants a copy , too....
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>      Jackie Beucher
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>     I have received a request from Dick Landingham for a copy of the talk
M.
> Bachic gave at the last ASKC meeting. Anyone know who was taping the talk?
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Thanks. I'll add this to the page and send you a new proof.
On Jan 27, 2005, at 6:52 PM, mikekansascity@... wrote:

> �� Dave Fox, John Cavens, Pete Jefferis, Doug Spalding, Gary Martin, 
> Dick
>  Harshaw, Joe Wright and I - huffed and puffed and blew the clouds 
> away! ... Hey,
>  a little wishful thinking and a cooperative Mother Nature are always 
> good
>  partners for an elementary school 'Science Night.'
>  ����� Mill Creek Elementary in Independence was wowed with 9 
> telescopes and 8
>  volunteers from our club, on Tuesday, January 25.� We had a few rain 
> drops
>  between 4 - 5 PM.� Mostly overcast and sucker holes were the early 
> features of
>  the night sky but, Gary Martin was able to hold their interest with 
> recent
>  video of Jupiter and the Moon.� The sky did clear and the crowd 
> couldn't get
>  enough of Saturn, the Moon, and Orion's Nebula.� Even being directly 
> under the
>  outside emergency light couldn't flood out the beauty of so many 
> "first views" and
>  their: "incredible - unbelievable - awesome - no way - oh my gosh"
>  expressions.� PRICELESS� :))
>  ��� Thanks so much for so many helping.� I think we pretty much had 
> people at
>  all eight scopes for about an hour.� The school staff commented that, 
> several
>  parents and students said, "The telescopes and looking through them 
> was the
>  best part."
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"42" of course. I thought everybody knew that.
 


Clear skies,

Gary Pittman
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From: Dick Harshaw [mailto:dwharshaw@...] 
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 8:24 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ASKC] dss


Hmmm.  If we have to tell you, you probably would not understand.

Let me ask you another question, while we're on it:  What's the meaning of
life, the universe, and everything?


DH


-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Pittman [mailto:gary_rp@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 10:44 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ASKC] dss



What's the matter with "42".



Clear skies,

Gary Pittman
gary_rp@...




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From: Dick Harshaw [mailto:dwharshaw@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 8:03 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ASKC] dss


Oh, I dunno. Just sounded like a cool depth.

DH


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From: sm20 [mailto:sm20@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 7:59 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ASKC] dss



Should I ask why the 38 foot limit?


-----Original Message-----
From: Dick Harshaw [mailto:dwharshaw@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 7:59 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ASKC] dss


Oh, boy, oh boy.  It's gonna be a Fizzie Party!

I'll be there too if the weather holds and the mud does not get deeper
than
38 feet.


Dick H


-----Original Message-----
From: sm20 [mailto:sm20@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 7:56 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ASKC] dss



I'll join in the mud fun...

Dave F.

-----Original Message-----
From: larry goode [mailto:lagoode916@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 6:50 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] dss


Something to keep in mind  about  the DDS. Mud this time of year does
not come from a little bit of rain, it comes from the frost line way
down in the ground. When the frost comes to the surface it creates a
bottomless pit on the way. this is the worst kind of mud there is. I am
going to try to go down this weekend and look the place over,to see if
the tractors tore the road up very bad if anyone wants to go ,give me a
call.

              Larry G


s.kranz1@... wrote:
If we get some warm-ish days in the next 2 weeks, I plan on trying to
head out there on Saturday, February 5.  It depends on what kind of
weather we get.

-scott

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Anyone else getting the impression that people are somewhat eager to get
into the dark:-)

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Great summary Mike!
 
Something to think about - Schools,  we could get a few of them to sign
up and make some cash.  Repeat business.
 
Also bring  a information center with handout on how to join ASKC, where
and what we are......And  what great things we have to offer..
 
I would think most schools would have from 80 to 150 at each turn-out ,
more if the word get out.
 
Do we keep doing the way we have been or do try group leaders? or assign
members to group, or make everyone do at least one.
 
We also need a name for it .   Like the Out Reach program or "Star Gate
too"
 
Do it the week before and the week of the full moons, local public loves
the moon and we still get new moon weekends for ourselfs.
 
Could even do a mass mailing to the schools in the greater KC area.  
 
What do you think?
 
Ok, I'm going to go hide back into my hole and wait for the new moon and
clear skies.....  
 
 
Me,
One of the Friends of the Dark Sky Site
 
 

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From: mikekansascity@... [mailto:mikekansascity@...] 
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 6:52 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Cc: lindseypdc@...
Subject: [ASKC] Mill Creek Tues. Jan. 25


   Dave Fox, John Cavens, Pete Jefferis, Doug Spalding, Gary Martin,
Dick 
Harshaw, Joe Wright and I - huffed and puffed and blew the clouds away!
... Hey, 
a little wishful thinking and a cooperative Mother Nature are always
good 
partners for an elementary school 'Science Night.'
      Mill Creek Elementary in Independence was wowed with 9 telescopes
and 8 
volunteers from our club, on Tuesday, January 25.  We had a few rain
drops 
between 4 - 5 PM.  Mostly overcast and sucker holes were the early
features of 
the night sky but, Gary Martin was able to hold their interest with
recent 
video of Jupiter and the Moon.  The sky did clear and the crowd couldn't
get 
enough of Saturn, the Moon, and Orion's Nebula.  Even being directly
under the 
outside emergency light couldn't flood out the beauty of so many "first
views" and 
their: "incredible - unbelievable - awesome - no way - oh my gosh" 
expressions.  PRICELESS  :))
    Thanks so much for so many helping.  I think we pretty much had
people at 
all eight scopes for about an hour.  The school staff commented that,
several 
parents and students said, "The telescopes and looking through them was
the 
best part."
    We have several more schools lined up.  Come and help and get a mid
week 
astro boost.
Mike Sterling 


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Now there's an Idea. Teams to do these School Science or Astronomical
Nights. Exclude them from duty at Powell, if they want, and have a Team
Leader for each of the School Teams. You must have a leader to organize.
    Powell Public Night handouts and tri-folds for the adults(primarily).
Anyone with obvious interest put an ASKC membership application in their
hand..
    I don't know about mass mailing. We could get swamped. But, if it makes
money, swamped is good.
Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
Randy
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "sm20" <sm20@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 8:06 PM
Subject: RE: [ASKC] Mill Creek Tues. Jan. 25


>
> Great summary Mike!
>
> Something to think about - Schools,  we could get a few of them to sign
> up and make some cash.  Repeat business.
>
> Also bring  a information center with handout on how to join ASKC, where
> and what we are......And  what great things we have to offer..
>
> I would think most schools would have from 80 to 150 at each turn-out ,
> more if the word get out.
>
> Do we keep doing the way we have been or do try group leaders? or assign
> members to group, or make everyone do at least one.
>
> We also need a name for it .   Like the Out Reach program or "Star Gate
> too"
>
> Do it the week before and the week of the full moons, local public loves
> the moon and we still get new moon weekends for ourselfs.
>
> Could even do a mass mailing to the schools in the greater KC area.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Ok, I'm going to go hide back into my hole and wait for the new moon and
> clear skies.....
>
>
> Me,
> One of the Friends of the Dark Sky Site
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mikekansascity@... [mailto:mikekansascity@...]
> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 6:52 PM
> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> Cc: lindseypdc@...
> Subject: [ASKC] Mill Creek Tues. Jan. 25
>
>
>    Dave Fox, John Cavens, Pete Jefferis, Doug Spalding, Gary Martin,
> Dick
> Harshaw, Joe Wright and I - huffed and puffed and blew the clouds away!
> ... Hey,
> a little wishful thinking and a cooperative Mother Nature are always
> good
> partners for an elementary school 'Science Night.'
>       Mill Creek Elementary in Independence was wowed with 9 telescopes
> and 8
> volunteers from our club, on Tuesday, January 25.  We had a few rain
> drops
> between 4 - 5 PM.  Mostly overcast and sucker holes were the early
> features of
> the night sky but, Gary Martin was able to hold their interest with
> recent
> video of Jupiter and the Moon.  The sky did clear and the crowd couldn't
> get
> enough of Saturn, the Moon, and Orion's Nebula.  Even being directly
> under the
> outside emergency light couldn't flood out the beauty of so many "first
> views" and
> their: "incredible - unbelievable - awesome - no way - oh my gosh"
> expressions.  PRICELESS  :))
>     Thanks so much for so many helping.  I think we pretty much had
> people at
> all eight scopes for about an hour.  The school staff commented that,
> several
> parents and students said, "The telescopes and looking through them was
> the
> best part."
>     We have several more schools lined up.  Come and help and get a mid
> week
> astro boost.
> Mike Sterling
>
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Wow Mike!
To think you guys organized everything, including good weather on such short
notice!
Many Thanks!

Saturn and the moon are always such great targets for the public. (and for
the rest of us if we admit it)
I can still remember my first view of Saturn -  know that some of those
"oooh, wow's" views you are giving people last a lifetime.
Thanks
Kathy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <mikekansascity@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: <lindseypdc@...>
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 6:52 PM
Subject: [ASKC] Mill Creek Tues. Jan. 25


>
>    Dave Fox, John Cavens, Pete Jefferis, Doug Spalding, Gary Martin, Dick
> Harshaw, Joe Wright and I - huffed and puffed and blew the clouds away!
... Hey,
> a little wishful thinking and a cooperative Mother Nature are always good
> partners for an elementary school 'Science Night.'
>       Mill Creek Elementary in Independence was wowed with 9 telescopes
and 8
> volunteers from our club, on Tuesday, January 25.  We had a few rain drops
> between 4 - 5 PM.  Mostly overcast and sucker holes were the early
features of
> the night sky but, Gary Martin was able to hold their interest with recent
> video of Jupiter and the Moon.  The sky did clear and the crowd couldn't
get
> enough of Saturn, the Moon, and Orion's Nebula.  Even being directly under
the
> outside emergency light couldn't flood out the beauty of so many "first
views" and
> their: "incredible - unbelievable - awesome - no way - oh my gosh"
> expressions.  PRICELESS  :))
>     Thanks so much for so many helping.  I think we pretty much had people
at
> all eight scopes for about an hour.  The school staff commented that,
several
> parents and students said, "The telescopes and looking through them was
the
> best part."
>     We have several more schools lined up.  Come and help and get a mid
week
> astro boost.
> Mike Sterling
>

 
That and $54.95 will get you defrauded!
Tim
 
 
 
In a message dated 1/27/05 8:40:57 AM Central Standard Time,  
dwharshaw@... writes:


A  star named for you.  ;^)

DH


-----Original  Message-----
From: TKristl100@... [mailto:TKristl100@...]
Sent:  Wednesday, January 26, 2005 9:58 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject:  Re: [ASKC] New Member's Night at Powell, April 2




Jacket  & tie?   What do you get for a  tux?????
Tim








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I have been monitoring the messages.

I want to try to download it to DVD.  I knew Rita got that new DVD
player for xmas for a good reason.

Joe

Randy Thompson wrote:

> ATTENTION JOE WRIGHT:
> Will you please make copies of Michael Bakich's talk that I understand
> you
> have taped? I understand that Mr. Bakich wants a copy and so does Dick
>
> Landingham. Dick is a long time member and worked with Mr. Bakich at
> the old
> planetarium.
> Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
> Randy
> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 1:05 PM
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> M.
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S.  O.  S.
I move David Fox be accepted by acclamation as
School Outreach Supervisor  :))

Great ideas David!  One of the Mill Creek staff took a membership application 
and was discussing with Joe - "School Membership".  She seemed to think 
schools would jump all over this.  

We could easily get statements from schools that have experienced this, for 
marketing.  Who knows where to start - $100 & we go to the school??? - $300 and 
they also get one private party at Powell in addition to our trip to the 
school???  Heck - go to the District & for $1000 work something out.  I've seen 
thousands of $ spent on ridiculous programs.  We can deliver a diamond for the 
price of coal!!!Idon'tknowIdon'tknowIdon'tknow - but David Fox Knows!!!  :)))

David Fox has already displayed his intuitive expertise in this arena.  As 
recent as Tuesday night at Mill Creek - he alone - saved David Young's 10" Meade 
from crashing to the ground!!!  One of the youngins foot caught a tripod leg 
... All heads turned to the, "OH NOOOO's, AGGGGGH's, & LOOK OUT's" ...  when 
suddenly ... faster than a speeding bullet ... leaping over small kiddos ... 
more powerful than the locals - our very own DAVID FOX caught the scope in his 
arms AND avoided damage to the scope & all small people in the immediate 
perimeter.  A definite display of SOS material!!!
GO DAVID - GO DAVID - GO DAVID  :)
Mike Sterling


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At the risk of sounding negative....
Typically we do not get any money for school science nights. I ask for volunteers. I have enough hassle getting the income producing events at Powell staffed. We only require staff members to do one night at Powell during their "duty" week and at least half of the assigned staff begs off due to dinner engagements, birthday parties or some other reason/excuse even though most have known their duty nights for months. Remember, we are also committed to staffing the Warko observatory this year. That will be a major income source. Let's not siphon off any more staff Powell. I think we should continue with the volunteer system. If we can't get people to volunteer to staff the science nights then we shouldn't be trying to do them. I enjoy the heck out of doing them myself which is why I've been doing them for the past few years and will continue to schedule them. The teams with a leader is a great idea, provided it doesn't take away any staff from Powell, our main income producer.

Your mileage may vary. I'll try to juggle things any way the rest of you want to do it.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Randy Thompson 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 9:03 PM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] Mill Creek Tues. Jan. 25


  Now there's an Idea. Teams to do these School Science or Astronomical
  Nights. Exclude them from duty at Powell, if they want, and have a Team
  Leader for each of the School Teams. You must have a leader to organize.
      Powell Public Night handouts and tri-folds for the adults(primarily).
  Anyone with obvious interest put an ASKC membership application in their
  hand..
      I don't know about mass mailing. We could get swamped. But, if it makes
  money, swamped is good.
  Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
  Randy
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "sm20" <sm20@...>
  To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
  Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 8:06 PM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] Mill Creek Tues. Jan. 25


  >
  > Great summary Mike!
  >
  > Something to think about - Schools,  we could get a few of them to sign
  > up and make some cash.  Repeat business.
  >
  > Also bring  a information center with handout on how to join ASKC, where
  > and what we are......And  what great things we have to offer..
  >
  > I would think most schools would have from 80 to 150 at each turn-out ,
  > more if the word get out.
  >
  > Do we keep doing the way we have been or do try group leaders? or assign
  > members to group, or make everyone do at least one.
  >
  > We also need a name for it .   Like the Out Reach program or "Star Gate
  > too"
  >
  > Do it the week before and the week of the full moons, local public loves
  > the moon and we still get new moon weekends for ourselfs.
  >
  > Could even do a mass mailing to the schools in the greater KC area.
  >
  > What do you think?
  >
  > Ok, I'm going to go hide back into my hole and wait for the new moon and
  > clear skies.....
  >
  >
  > Me,
  > One of the Friends of the Dark Sky Site
  >
  >
  >
  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: mikekansascity@... [mailto:mikekansascity@...]
  > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 6:52 PM
  > To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  > Cc: lindseypdc@...
  > Subject: [ASKC] Mill Creek Tues. Jan. 25
  >
  >
  >    Dave Fox, John Cavens, Pete Jefferis, Doug Spalding, Gary Martin,
  > Dick
  > Harshaw, Joe Wright and I - huffed and puffed and blew the clouds away!
  > ... Hey,
  > a little wishful thinking and a cooperative Mother Nature are always
  > good
  > partners for an elementary school 'Science Night.'
  >       Mill Creek Elementary in Independence was wowed with 9 telescopes
  > and 8
  > volunteers from our club, on Tuesday, January 25.  We had a few rain
  > drops
  > between 4 - 5 PM.  Mostly overcast and sucker holes were the early
  > features of
  > the night sky but, Gary Martin was able to hold their interest with
  > recent
  > video of Jupiter and the Moon.  The sky did clear and the crowd couldn't
  > get
  > enough of Saturn, the Moon, and Orion's Nebula.  Even being directly
  > under the
  > outside emergency light couldn't flood out the beauty of so many "first
  > views" and
  > their: "incredible - unbelievable - awesome - no way - oh my gosh"
  > expressions.  PRICELESS  :))
  >     Thanks so much for so many helping.  I think we pretty much had
  > people at
  > all eight scopes for about an hour.  The school staff commented that,
  > several
  > parents and students said, "The telescopes and looking through them was
  > the
  > best part."
  >     We have several more schools lined up.  Come and help and get a mid
  > week
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  > Mike Sterling
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Hey, you know the ASKC motto:  "The difficult we do immediately; the
impossible takes only a little longer."

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-----Original Message-----
From: Kathy [mailto:kmachin@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 10:18 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Mill Creek Tues. Jan. 25



Wow Mike!
To think you guys organized everything, including good weather on such short
notice!
Many Thanks!

Saturn and the moon are always such great targets for the public. (and for
the rest of us if we admit it)
I can still remember my first view of Saturn -  know that some of those
"oooh, wow's" views you are giving people last a lifetime.
Thanks
Kathy

----- Original Message -----
From: <mikekansascity@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: <lindseypdc@...>
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 6:52 PM
Subject: [ASKC] Mill Creek Tues. Jan. 25


>
>    Dave Fox, John Cavens, Pete Jefferis, Doug Spalding, Gary Martin, Dick
> Harshaw, Joe Wright and I - huffed and puffed and blew the clouds away!
... Hey,
> a little wishful thinking and a cooperative Mother Nature are always good
> partners for an elementary school 'Science Night.'
>       Mill Creek Elementary in Independence was wowed with 9 telescopes
and 8
> volunteers from our club, on Tuesday, January 25.  We had a few rain drops
> between 4 - 5 PM.  Mostly overcast and sucker holes were the early
features of
> the night sky but, Gary Martin was able to hold their interest with recent
> video of Jupiter and the Moon.  The sky did clear and the crowd couldn't
get
> enough of Saturn, the Moon, and Orion's Nebula.  Even being directly under
the
> outside emergency light couldn't flood out the beauty of so many "first
views" and
> their: "incredible - unbelievable - awesome - no way - oh my gosh"
> expressions.  PRICELESS  :))
>     Thanks so much for so many helping.  I think we pretty much had people
at
> all eight scopes for about an hour.  The school staff commented that,
several
> parents and students said, "The telescopes and looking through them was
the
> best part."
>     We have several more schools lined up.  Come and help and get a mid
week
> astro boost.
> Mike Sterling
>








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I am tending to agree with you, David.  Let's not spread out too thin.  I
think if a team wanted to organize itself into a school outreach group, that
would be fine, but we must be careful that we don't siphon off talent and
energy from Powell and Warko.  I can understand Mike's enthusiasm and share
it too, but reality says we must be careful how thinly we spread ourselves.

Anyway, my experience as a business consultant is that if you want to kill a
great volunteer program, organize it!

My tuppence worth, folks.



Dick H


-----Original Message-----
From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 8:46 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Mill Creek Tues. Jan. 25



At the risk of sounding negative....
Typically we do not get any money for school science nights. I ask for
volunteers. I have enough hassle getting the income producing events at
Powell staffed. We only require staff members to do one night at Powell
during their "duty" week and at least half of the assigned staff begs off
due to dinner engagements, birthday parties or some other reason/excuse even
though most have known their duty nights for months. Remember, we are also
committed to staffing the Warko observatory this year. That will be a major
income source. Let's not siphon off any more staff Powell. I think we should
continue with the volunteer system. If we can't get people to volunteer to
staff the science nights then we shouldn't be trying to do them. I enjoy the
heck out of doing them myself which is why I've been doing them for the past
few years and will continue to schedule them. The teams with a leader is a
great idea, provided it doesn't take away any staff from Powell, our main
income producer.

Your mileage may vary. I'll try to juggle things any way the rest of you
want to do it.

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Randy Thompson
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 9:03 PM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] Mill Creek Tues. Jan. 25


  Now there's an Idea. Teams to do these School Science or Astronomical
  Nights. Exclude them from duty at Powell, if they want, and have a Team
  Leader for each of the School Teams. You must have a leader to organize.
      Powell Public Night handouts and tri-folds for the adults(primarily).
  Anyone with obvious interest put an ASKC membership application in their
  hand..
      I don't know about mass mailing. We could get swamped. But, if it
makes
  money, swamped is good.
  Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
  Randy
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "sm20" <sm20@...>
  To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
  Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 8:06 PM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] Mill Creek Tues. Jan. 25


  >
  > Great summary Mike!
  >
  > Something to think about - Schools,  we could get a few of them to sign
  > up and make some cash.  Repeat business.
  >
  > Also bring  a information center with handout on how to join ASKC, where
  > and what we are......And  what great things we have to offer..
  >
  > I would think most schools would have from 80 to 150 at each turn-out ,
  > more if the word get out.
  >
  > Do we keep doing the way we have been or do try group leaders? or assign
  > members to group, or make everyone do at least one.
  >
  > We also need a name for it .   Like the Out Reach program or "Star Gate
  > too"
  >
  > Do it the week before and the week of the full moons, local public loves
  > the moon and we still get new moon weekends for ourselfs.
  >
  > Could even do a mass mailing to the schools in the greater KC area.
  >
  > What do you think?
  >
  > Ok, I'm going to go hide back into my hole and wait for the new moon and
  > clear skies.....
  >
  >
  > Me,
  > One of the Friends of the Dark Sky Site
  >
  >
  >
  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: mikekansascity@... [mailto:mikekansascity@...]
  > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 6:52 PM
  > To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  > Cc: lindseypdc@...
  > Subject: [ASKC] Mill Creek Tues. Jan. 25
  >
  >
  >    Dave Fox, John Cavens, Pete Jefferis, Doug Spalding, Gary Martin,
  > Dick
  > Harshaw, Joe Wright and I - huffed and puffed and blew the clouds away!
  > ... Hey,
  > a little wishful thinking and a cooperative Mother Nature are always
  > good
  > partners for an elementary school 'Science Night.'
  >       Mill Creek Elementary in Independence was wowed with 9 telescopes
  > and 8
  > volunteers from our club, on Tuesday, January 25.  We had a few rain
  > drops
  > between 4 - 5 PM.  Mostly overcast and sucker holes were the early
  > features of
  > the night sky but, Gary Martin was able to hold their interest with
  > recent
  > video of Jupiter and the Moon.  The sky did clear and the crowd couldn't
  > get
  > enough of Saturn, the Moon, and Orion's Nebula.  Even being directly
  > under the
  > outside emergency light couldn't flood out the beauty of so many "first
  > views" and
  > their: "incredible - unbelievable - awesome - no way - oh my gosh"
  > expressions.  PRICELESS  :))
  >     Thanks so much for so many helping.  I think we pretty much had
  > people at
  > all eight scopes for about an hour.  The school staff commented that,
  > several
  > parents and students said, "The telescopes and looking through them was
  > the
  > best part."
  >     We have several more schools lined up.  Come and help and get a mid
  > week
  > astro boost.
  > Mike Sterling
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Way to go David on saving the little people. To heck with the scope!  If we can get paid for these nights (sorry to sound so mercinary) we should certainly pursue it. Provided we can effectively staff these nights, Warko at UMKC, and most importantly, Powell Observatory. Joe and I sort of jumped into the Warko gig as an income producer. Always thinking of money I guess;-)  Our membership is slowly growing and this would be a great way for new membes to participate. Maybe we can staff all these ! !                                                               
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  From: mikekansascity@... 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 10:27 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] S. O. S.


  S.  O.  S.
  I move David Fox be accepted by acclamation as
  School Outreach Supervisor  :))

  Great ideas David!  One of the Mill Creek staff took a membership application 
  and was discussing with Joe - "School Membership".  She seemed to think 
  schools would jump all over this.  

  We could easily get statements from schools that have experienced this, for 
  marketing.  Who knows where to start - $100 & we go to the school??? - $300 and 
  they also get one private party at Powell in addition to our trip to the 
  school???  Heck - go to the District & for $1000 work something out.  I've seen 
  thousands of $ spent on ridiculous programs.  We can deliver a diamond for the 
  price of coal!!!Idon'tknowIdon'tknowIdon'tknow - but David Fox Knows!!!  :)))

  David Fox has already displayed his intuitive expertise in this arena.  As 
  recent as Tuesday night at Mill Creek - he alone - saved David Young's 10" Meade 
  from crashing to the ground!!!  One of the youngins foot caught a tripod leg 
  ... All heads turned to the, "OH NOOOO's, AGGGGGH's, & LOOK OUT's" ...  when 
  suddenly ... faster than a speeding bullet ... leaping over small kiddos ... 
  more powerful than the locals - our very own DAVID FOX caught the scope in his 
  arms AND avoided damage to the scope & all small people in the immediate 
  perimeter.  A definite display of SOS material!!!
  GO DAVID - GO DAVID - GO DAVID  :)
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Ok, so I would need 5 to 15 people to volunteer to be part of the Out Reach
Project. This would be a pool of people to pull from, that are not tied up
with the Powell or the Warko Projects.  

 

I'm not sure if this would work or not, so to start with - I'm looking to
start looking at schools in my local area. that would be the L.S. , Blue
Springs, Raytown, Indep, or around these parts. I would not turn down a
school that's not local to me, money is money!

 

I'm going to try to push the school to drop $90 a show (shows last 1.5 to 2
hours). What do you think of the cost Joe/David?

I would need folded handouts, and a sign up/information sheet for the
schools.

The main push of the Out Reach Project would be 1) to show students and
parents the sky, 2) to recruit new members to ASKC, and to raise Moneys for
ASKC.  

 

This would be great as David Y. said,  for the new members, all you have to
do is stand by a telescope and point it at the moon or something, after that
you learn very fast as to what to say to the kids to get them to look.  And
you don't have to bring a scope, the club has scopes or other members have
spares, or just come to help out.

 

Again, what does the group think?  Think about it and I'm sure Joe and/or
David Y. will let me know to stop or continue with this.

 

Can I get someone to rewrite this and get it in the newsletter?  As looking
for volunteers for the Out Reach Project.

 

Any volunteers to join the group?   If I can get more then 5 then some would
not need to show at each program. But I would like you to commit to 1 night
every 2 or 3 programs. If I don't get enough volunteers then we will go back
to the old way...

 

 

 

End.enough said.

 

 

 

  

 

 

 

  _____  

From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...] 
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 6:56 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] S. O. S.

 

Way to go David on saving the little people. To heck with the scope!  If we
can get paid for these nights (sorry to sound so mercinary) we should
certainly pursue it. Provided we can effectively staff these nights, Warko
at UMKC, and most importantly, Powell Observatory. Joe and I sort of jumped
into the Warko gig as an income producer. Always thinking of money I
guess;-)  Our membership is slowly growing and this would be a great way for
new membes to participate. Maybe we can staff all these ! !

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: mikekansascity@... 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 10:27 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] S. O. S.


  S.  O.  S.
  I move David Fox be accepted by acclamation as
  School Outreach Supervisor  :))

  Great ideas David!  One of the Mill Creek staff took a membership
application 
  and was discussing with Joe - "School Membership".  She seemed to think 
  schools would jump all over this.  

  We could easily get statements from schools that have experienced this,
for 
  marketing.  Who knows where to start - $100 & we go to the school??? -
$300 and 
  they also get one private party at Powell in addition to our trip to the 
  school???  Heck - go to the District & for $1000 work something out.  I've
seen 
  thousands of $ spent on ridiculous programs.  We can deliver a diamond for
the 
  price of coal!!!Idon'tknowIdon'tknowIdon'tknow - but David Fox Knows!!!
:)))

  David Fox has already displayed his intuitive expertise in this arena.  As

  recent as Tuesday night at Mill Creek - he alone - saved David Young's 10"
Meade 
  from crashing to the ground!!!  One of the youngins foot caught a tripod
leg 
  ... All heads turned to the, "OH NOOOO's, AGGGGGH's, & LOOK OUT's" ...
when 
  suddenly ... faster than a speeding bullet ... leaping over small kiddos
... 
  more powerful than the locals - our very own DAVID FOX caught the scope in
his 
  arms AND avoided damage to the scope & all small people in the immediate 
  perimeter.  A definite display of SOS material!!!
  GO DAVID - GO DAVID - GO DAVID  :)
  Mike Sterling


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Mr. Fox, I like your approach.  Since I am committed to Powell in 2005, I
would not want to sign up as a full-time member of the team, BUT, I am
willing to assist you when you'll be working in a school near me (north of
the River, Independence, Raytown, Lee's Summit, Blue Springs, etc.) and my
calendar is not already full of Powell duties or business commitments.
Would that be ok with you?

Dick H.


-----Original Message-----
From: SM20 [mailto:sm20@...]
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 1:14 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Out Reach Project





Ok, so I would need 5 to 15 people to volunteer to be part of the Out Reach
Project. This would be a pool of people to pull from, that are not tied up
with the Powell or the Warko Projects.



I'm not sure if this would work or not, so to start with - I'm looking to
start looking at schools in my local area. that would be the L.S. , Blue
Springs, Raytown, Indep, or around these parts. I would not turn down a
school that's not local to me, money is money!



I'm going to try to push the school to drop $90 a show (shows last 1.5 to 2
hours). What do you think of the cost Joe/David?

I would need folded handouts, and a sign up/information sheet for the
schools.

The main push of the Out Reach Project would be 1) to show students and
parents the sky, 2) to recruit new members to ASKC, and to raise Moneys for
ASKC.



This would be great as David Y. said,  for the new members, all you have to
do is stand by a telescope and point it at the moon or something, after that
you learn very fast as to what to say to the kids to get them to look.  And
you don't have to bring a scope, the club has scopes or other members have
spares, or just come to help out.



Again, what does the group think?  Think about it and I'm sure Joe and/or
David Y. will let me know to stop or continue with this.



Can I get someone to rewrite this and get it in the newsletter?  As looking
for volunteers for the Out Reach Project.



Any volunteers to join the group?   If I can get more then 5 then some would
not need to show at each program. But I would like you to commit to 1 night
every 2 or 3 programs. If I don't get enough volunteers then we will go back
to the old way...







End.enough said.















  _____

From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 6:56 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] S. O. S.



Way to go David on saving the little people. To heck with the scope!  If we
can get paid for these nights (sorry to sound so mercinary) we should
certainly pursue it. Provided we can effectively staff these nights, Warko
at UMKC, and most importantly, Powell Observatory. Joe and I sort of jumped
into the Warko gig as an income producer. Always thinking of money I
guess;-)  Our membership is slowly growing and this would be a great way for
new membes to participate. Maybe we can staff all these ! !

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: mikekansascity@...
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 10:27 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] S. O. S.


  S.  O.  S.
  I move David Fox be accepted by acclamation as
  School Outreach Supervisor  :))

  Great ideas David!  One of the Mill Creek staff took a membership
application
  and was discussing with Joe - "School Membership".  She seemed to think
  schools would jump all over this.

  We could easily get statements from schools that have experienced this,
for
  marketing.  Who knows where to start - $100 & we go to the school??? -
$300 and
  they also get one private party at Powell in addition to our trip to the
  school???  Heck - go to the District & for $1000 work something out.  I've
seen
  thousands of $ spent on ridiculous programs.  We can deliver a diamond for
the
  price of coal!!!Idon'tknowIdon'tknowIdon'tknow - but David Fox Knows!!!
:)))

  David Fox has already displayed his intuitive expertise in this arena.  As

  recent as Tuesday night at Mill Creek - he alone - saved David Young's 10"
Meade
  from crashing to the ground!!!  One of the youngins foot caught a tripod
leg
  ... All heads turned to the, "OH NOOOO's, AGGGGGH's, & LOOK OUT's" ...
when
  suddenly ... faster than a speeding bullet ... leaping over small kiddos
...
  more powerful than the locals - our very own DAVID FOX caught the scope in
his
  arms AND avoided damage to the scope & all small people in the immediate
  perimeter.  A definite display of SOS material!!!
  GO DAVID - GO DAVID - GO DAVID  :)
  Mike Sterling


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Great! Glad to have you on board.

 

I have friends in the N. K.C. school system so that on my list too.

 

And remember I'm pushing for around the full moon times of month, if I can.

 

 

  _____  

From: Dick Harshaw [mailto:dwharshaw@...] 
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 9:18 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ASKC] Out Reach Project

 

Mr. Fox, I like your approach.  Since I am committed to Powell in 2005, I
would not want to sign up as a full-time member of the team, BUT, I am
willing to assist you when you'll be working in a school near me (north of
the River, Independence, Raytown, Lee's Summit, Blue Springs, etc.) and my
calendar is not already full of Powell duties or business commitments.
Would that be ok with you?

Dick H.


-----Original Message-----
From: SM20 [mailto:sm20@...]
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 1:14 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Out Reach Project





Ok, so I would need 5 to 15 people to volunteer to be part of the Out Reach
Project. This would be a pool of people to pull from, that are not tied up
with the Powell or the Warko Projects.



I'm not sure if this would work or not, so to start with - I'm looking to
start looking at schools in my local area. that would be the L.S. , Blue
Springs, Raytown, Indep, or around these parts. I would not turn down a
school that's not local to me, money is money!



I'm going to try to push the school to drop $90 a show (shows last 1.5 to 2
hours). What do you think of the cost Joe/David?

I would need folded handouts, and a sign up/information sheet for the
schools.

The main push of the Out Reach Project would be 1) to show students and
parents the sky, 2) to recruit new members to ASKC, and to raise Moneys for
ASKC.



This would be great as David Y. said,  for the new members, all you have to
do is stand by a telescope and point it at the moon or something, after that
you learn very fast as to what to say to the kids to get them to look.  And
you don't have to bring a scope, the club has scopes or other members have
spares, or just come to help out.



Again, what does the group think?  Think about it and I'm sure Joe and/or
David Y. will let me know to stop or continue with this.



Can I get someone to rewrite this and get it in the newsletter?  As looking
for volunteers for the Out Reach Project.



Any volunteers to join the group?   If I can get more then 5 then some would
not need to show at each program. But I would like you to commit to 1 night
every 2 or 3 programs. If I don't get enough volunteers then we will go back
to the old way...







End.enough said.















  _____

From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 6:56 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] S. O. S.



Way to go David on saving the little people. To heck with the scope!  If we
can get paid for these nights (sorry to sound so mercinary) we should
certainly pursue it. Provided we can effectively staff these nights, Warko
at UMKC, and most importantly, Powell Observatory. Joe and I sort of jumped
into the Warko gig as an income producer. Always thinking of money I
guess;-)  Our membership is slowly growing and this would be a great way for
new membes to participate. Maybe we can staff all these ! !

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: mikekansascity@...
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 10:27 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] S. O. S.


  S.  O.  S.
  I move David Fox be accepted by acclamation as
  School Outreach Supervisor  :))

  Great ideas David!  One of the Mill Creek staff took a membership
application
  and was discussing with Joe - "School Membership".  She seemed to think
  schools would jump all over this.

  We could easily get statements from schools that have experienced this,
for
  marketing.  Who knows where to start - $100 & we go to the school??? -
$300 and
  they also get one private party at Powell in addition to our trip to the
  school???  Heck - go to the District & for $1000 work something out.  I've
seen
  thousands of $ spent on ridiculous programs.  We can deliver a diamond for
the
  price of coal!!!Idon'tknowIdon'tknowIdon'tknow - but David Fox Knows!!!
:)))

  David Fox has already displayed his intuitive expertise in this arena.  As

  recent as Tuesday night at Mill Creek - he alone - saved David Young's 10"
Meade
  from crashing to the ground!!!  One of the youngins foot caught a tripod
leg
  ... All heads turned to the, "OH NOOOO's, AGGGGGH's, & LOOK OUT's" ...
when
  suddenly ... faster than a speeding bullet ... leaping over small kiddos
...
  more powerful than the locals - our very own DAVID FOX caught the scope in
his
  arms AND avoided damage to the scope & all small people in the immediate
  perimeter.  A definite display of SOS material!!!
  GO DAVID - GO DAVID - GO DAVID  :)
  Mike Sterling


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Groovy, then!  (Boy, that dates ME... ahem)

Upward and onward!


DH


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Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 1:25 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ASKC] Out Reach Project



Great! Glad to have you on board.



I have friends in the N. K.C. school system so that on my list too.



And remember I'm pushing for around the full moon times of month, if I can.





  _____

From: Dick Harshaw [mailto:dwharshaw@...]
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 9:18 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ASKC] Out Reach Project



Mr. Fox, I like your approach.  Since I am committed to Powell in 2005, I
would not want to sign up as a full-time member of the team, BUT, I am
willing to assist you when you'll be working in a school near me (north of
the River, Independence, Raytown, Lee's Summit, Blue Springs, etc.) and my
calendar is not already full of Powell duties or business commitments.
Would that be ok with you?

Dick H.


-----Original Message-----
From: SM20 [mailto:sm20@...]
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 1:14 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Out Reach Project





Ok, so I would need 5 to 15 people to volunteer to be part of the Out Reach
Project. This would be a pool of people to pull from, that are not tied up
with the Powell or the Warko Projects.



I'm not sure if this would work or not, so to start with - I'm looking to
start looking at schools in my local area. that would be the L.S. , Blue
Springs, Raytown, Indep, or around these parts. I would not turn down a
school that's not local to me, money is money!



I'm going to try to push the school to drop $90 a show (shows last 1.5 to 2
hours). What do you think of the cost Joe/David?

I would need folded handouts, and a sign up/information sheet for the
schools.

The main push of the Out Reach Project would be 1) to show students and
parents the sky, 2) to recruit new members to ASKC, and to raise Moneys for
ASKC.



This would be great as David Y. said,  for the new members, all you have to
do is stand by a telescope and point it at the moon or something, after that
you learn very fast as to what to say to the kids to get them to look.  And
you don't have to bring a scope, the club has scopes or other members have
spares, or just come to help out.



Again, what does the group think?  Think about it and I'm sure Joe and/or
David Y. will let me know to stop or continue with this.



Can I get someone to rewrite this and get it in the newsletter?  As looking
for volunteers for the Out Reach Project.



Any volunteers to join the group?   If I can get more then 5 then some would
not need to show at each program. But I would like you to commit to 1 night
every 2 or 3 programs. If I don't get enough volunteers then we will go back
to the old way...







End.enough said.















  _____

From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 6:56 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] S. O. S.



Way to go David on saving the little people. To heck with the scope!  If we
can get paid for these nights (sorry to sound so mercinary) we should
certainly pursue it. Provided we can effectively staff these nights, Warko
at UMKC, and most importantly, Powell Observatory. Joe and I sort of jumped
into the Warko gig as an income producer. Always thinking of money I
guess;-)  Our membership is slowly growing and this would be a great way for
new membes to participate. Maybe we can staff all these ! !

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: mikekansascity@...
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 10:27 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] S. O. S.


  S.  O.  S.
  I move David Fox be accepted by acclamation as
  School Outreach Supervisor  :))

  Great ideas David!  One of the Mill Creek staff took a membership
application
  and was discussing with Joe - "School Membership".  She seemed to think
  schools would jump all over this.

  We could easily get statements from schools that have experienced this,
for
  marketing.  Who knows where to start - $100 & we go to the school??? -
$300 and
  they also get one private party at Powell in addition to our trip to the
  school???  Heck - go to the District & for $1000 work something out.  I've
seen
  thousands of $ spent on ridiculous programs.  We can deliver a diamond for
the
  price of coal!!!Idon'tknowIdon'tknowIdon'tknow - but David Fox Knows!!!
:)))

  David Fox has already displayed his intuitive expertise in this arena.  As

  recent as Tuesday night at Mill Creek - he alone - saved David Young's 10"
Meade
  from crashing to the ground!!!  One of the youngins foot caught a tripod
leg
  ... All heads turned to the, "OH NOOOO's, AGGGGGH's, & LOOK OUT's" ...
when
  suddenly ... faster than a speeding bullet ... leaping over small kiddos
...
  more powerful than the locals - our very own DAVID FOX caught the scope in
his
  arms AND avoided damage to the scope & all small people in the immediate
  perimeter.  A definite display of SOS material!!!
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I am happy to hear of the interest in public outreach and school programs...but in addtion to staffing Powell Saturday nights & special groups, and now the Warko scope year round, don't forget the commitment also being made to help at the Science City Planetarium. 

Dave H. 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 8:56 AM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] S. O. S.


  Way to go David on saving the little people. To heck with the scope!  If we can get paid for these nights (sorry to sound so mercinary) we should certainly pursue it. Provided we can effectively staff these nights, Warko at UMKC, and most importantly, Powell Observatory. Joe and I sort of jumped into the Warko gig as an income producer. Always thinking of money I guess;-)  Our membership is slowly growing and this would be a great way for new membes to participate. Maybe we can staff all these ! !                                                               
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    From: mikekansascity@... 
    To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
    Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 10:27 PM
    Subject: [ASKC] S. O. S.


    S.  O.  S.
    I move David Fox be accepted by acclamation as
    School Outreach Supervisor  :))

    Great ideas David!  One of the Mill Creek staff took a membership application 
    and was discussing with Joe - "School Membership".  She seemed to think 
    schools would jump all over this.  

    We could easily get statements from schools that have experienced this, for 
    marketing.  Who knows where to start - $100 & we go to the school??? - $300 and 
    they also get one private party at Powell in addition to our trip to the 
    school???  Heck - go to the District & for $1000 work something out.  I've seen 
    thousands of $ spent on ridiculous programs.  We can deliver a diamond for the 
    price of coal!!!Idon'tknowIdon'tknowIdon'tknow - but David Fox Knows!!!  :)))

    David Fox has already displayed his intuitive expertise in this arena.  As 
    recent as Tuesday night at Mill Creek - he alone - saved David Young's 10" Meade 
    from crashing to the ground!!!  One of the youngins foot caught a tripod leg 
    ... All heads turned to the, "OH NOOOO's, AGGGGGH's, & LOOK OUT's" ...  when 
    suddenly ... faster than a speeding bullet ... leaping over small kiddos ... 
    more powerful than the locals - our very own DAVID FOX caught the scope in his 
    arms AND avoided damage to the scope & all small people in the immediate 
    perimeter.  A definite display of SOS material!!!
    GO DAVID - GO DAVID - GO DAVID  :)
    Mike Sterling


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I guess it will be up to the volunteers or not.

 

I would need 3 volunteers to make it work...   Or I get 3 people to join
ASKC and tell them to join me on site. ;-).

 

Dave F.

 

 

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From: David Hudgins [mailto:dhudgins@...] 
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 11:39 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] S. O. S.

 

I am happy to hear of the interest in public outreach and school
programs...but in addtion to staffing Powell Saturday nights & special
groups, and now the Warko scope year round, don't forget the commitment also
being made to help at the Science City Planetarium. 

Dave H. 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: David Young 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 8:56 AM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] S. O. S.


  Way to go David on saving the little people. To heck with the scope!  If
we can get paid for these nights (sorry to sound so mercinary) we should
certainly pursue it. Provided we can effectively staff these nights, Warko
at UMKC, and most importantly, Powell Observatory. Joe and I sort of jumped
into the Warko gig as an income producer. Always thinking of money I
guess;-)  Our membership is slowly growing and this would be a great way for
new membes to participate. Maybe we can staff all these ! !

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: mikekansascity@... 
    To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
    Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 10:27 PM
    Subject: [ASKC] S. O. S.


    S.  O.  S.
    I move David Fox be accepted by acclamation as
    School Outreach Supervisor  :))

    Great ideas David!  One of the Mill Creek staff took a membership
application 
    and was discussing with Joe - "School Membership".  She seemed to think 
    schools would jump all over this.  

    We could easily get statements from schools that have experienced this,
for 
    marketing.  Who knows where to start - $100 & we go to the school??? -
$300 and 
    they also get one private party at Powell in addition to our trip to the

    school???  Heck - go to the District & for $1000 work something out.
I've seen 
    thousands of $ spent on ridiculous programs.  We can deliver a diamond
for the 
    price of coal!!!Idon'tknowIdon'tknowIdon'tknow - but David Fox Knows!!!
:)))

    David Fox has already displayed his intuitive expertise in this arena.
As 
    recent as Tuesday night at Mill Creek - he alone - saved David Young's
10" Meade 
    from crashing to the ground!!!  One of the youngins foot caught a tripod
leg 
    ... All heads turned to the, "OH NOOOO's, AGGGGGH's, & LOOK OUT's" ...
when 
    suddenly ... faster than a speeding bullet ... leaping over small kiddos
... 
    more powerful than the locals - our very own DAVID FOX caught the scope
in his 
    arms AND avoided damage to the scope & all small people in the immediate

    perimeter.  A definite display of SOS material!!!
    GO DAVID - GO DAVID - GO DAVID  :)
    Mike Sterling


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You can sign me up David. I love to do those school nights. I think we could do a terrific job if we had 4 or 5 people at each night.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: SM20 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 1:13 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] Out Reach Project




  Ok, so I would need 5 to 15 people to volunteer to be part of the Out Reach
  Project. This would be a pool of people to pull from, that are not tied up
  with the Powell or the Warko Projects.  



  I'm not sure if this would work or not, so to start with - I'm looking to
  start looking at schools in my local area. that would be the L.S. , Blue
  Springs, Raytown, Indep, or around these parts. I would not turn down a
  school that's not local to me, money is money!



  I'm going to try to push the school to drop $90 a show (shows last 1.5 to 2
  hours). What do you think of the cost Joe/David?

  I would need folded handouts, and a sign up/information sheet for the
  schools.

  The main push of the Out Reach Project would be 1) to show students and
  parents the sky, 2) to recruit new members to ASKC, and to raise Moneys for
  ASKC.  



  This would be great as David Y. said,  for the new members, all you have to
  do is stand by a telescope and point it at the moon or something, after that
  you learn very fast as to what to say to the kids to get them to look.  And
  you don't have to bring a scope, the club has scopes or other members have
  spares, or just come to help out.



  Again, what does the group think?  Think about it and I'm sure Joe and/or
  David Y. will let me know to stop or continue with this.



  Can I get someone to rewrite this and get it in the newsletter?  As looking
  for volunteers for the Out Reach Project.



  Any volunteers to join the group?   If I can get more then 5 then some would
  not need to show at each program. But I would like you to commit to 1 night
  every 2 or 3 programs. If I don't get enough volunteers then we will go back
  to the old way...







  End.enough said.







    







    _____  

  From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...] 
  Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 6:56 AM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] S. O. S.



  Way to go David on saving the little people. To heck with the scope!  If we
  can get paid for these nights (sorry to sound so mercinary) we should
  certainly pursue it. Provided we can effectively staff these nights, Warko
  at UMKC, and most importantly, Powell Observatory. Joe and I sort of jumped
  into the Warko gig as an income producer. Always thinking of money I
  guess;-)  Our membership is slowly growing and this would be a great way for
  new membes to participate. Maybe we can staff all these ! !

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: mikekansascity@... 
    To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
    Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 10:27 PM
    Subject: [ASKC] S. O. S.


    S.  O.  S.
    I move David Fox be accepted by acclamation as
    School Outreach Supervisor  :))

    Great ideas David!  One of the Mill Creek staff took a membership
  application 
    and was discussing with Joe - "School Membership".  She seemed to think 
    schools would jump all over this.  

    We could easily get statements from schools that have experienced this,
  for 
    marketing.  Who knows where to start - $100 & we go to the school??? -
  $300 and 
    they also get one private party at Powell in addition to our trip to the 
    school???  Heck - go to the District & for $1000 work something out.  I've
  seen 
    thousands of $ spent on ridiculous programs.  We can deliver a diamond for
  the 
    price of coal!!!Idon'tknowIdon'tknowIdon'tknow - but David Fox Knows!!!
  :)))

    David Fox has already displayed his intuitive expertise in this arena.  As

    recent as Tuesday night at Mill Creek - he alone - saved David Young's 10"
  Meade 
    from crashing to the ground!!!  One of the youngins foot caught a tripod
  leg 
    ... All heads turned to the, "OH NOOOO's, AGGGGGH's, & LOOK OUT's" ...
  when 
    suddenly ... faster than a speeding bullet ... leaping over small kiddos
  ... 
    more powerful than the locals - our very own DAVID FOX caught the scope in
  his 
    arms AND avoided damage to the scope & all small people in the immediate 
    perimeter.  A definite display of SOS material!!!
    GO DAVID - GO DAVID - GO DAVID  :)
    Mike Sterling


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Now to wait and see how many more join on or have comments. , The one's that
don't have Internet access at work.

 

Dave F.

 

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From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...] 
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 12:49 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Out Reach Project

 

You can sign me up David. I love to do those school nights. I think we could
do a terrific job if we had 4 or 5 people at each night.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: SM20 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 1:13 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] Out Reach Project




  Ok, so I would need 5 to 15 people to volunteer to be part of the Out
Reach
  Project. This would be a pool of people to pull from, that are not tied up
  with the Powell or the Warko Projects.  



  I'm not sure if this would work or not, so to start with - I'm looking to
  start looking at schools in my local area. that would be the L.S. , Blue
  Springs, Raytown, Indep, or around these parts. I would not turn down a
  school that's not local to me, money is money!



  I'm going to try to push the school to drop $90 a show (shows last 1.5 to
2
  hours). What do you think of the cost Joe/David?

  I would need folded handouts, and a sign up/information sheet for the
  schools.

  The main push of the Out Reach Project would be 1) to show students and
  parents the sky, 2) to recruit new members to ASKC, and to raise Moneys
for
  ASKC.  



  This would be great as David Y. said,  for the new members, all you have
to
  do is stand by a telescope and point it at the moon or something, after
that
  you learn very fast as to what to say to the kids to get them to look.
And
  you don't have to bring a scope, the club has scopes or other members have
  spares, or just come to help out.



  Again, what does the group think?  Think about it and I'm sure Joe and/or
  David Y. will let me know to stop or continue with this.



  Can I get someone to rewrite this and get it in the newsletter?  As
looking
  for volunteers for the Out Reach Project.



  Any volunteers to join the group?   If I can get more then 5 then some
would
  not need to show at each program. But I would like you to commit to 1
night
  every 2 or 3 programs. If I don't get enough volunteers then we will go
back
  to the old way...







  End.enough said.







    







    _____  

  From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...] 
  Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 6:56 AM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] S. O. S.



  Way to go David on saving the little people. To heck with the scope!  If
we
  can get paid for these nights (sorry to sound so mercinary) we should
  certainly pursue it. Provided we can effectively staff these nights, Warko
  at UMKC, and most importantly, Powell Observatory. Joe and I sort of
jumped
  into the Warko gig as an income producer. Always thinking of money I
  guess;-)  Our membership is slowly growing and this would be a great way
for
  new membes to participate. Maybe we can staff all these ! !

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: mikekansascity@... 
    To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
    Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 10:27 PM
    Subject: [ASKC] S. O. S.


    S.  O.  S.
    I move David Fox be accepted by acclamation as
    School Outreach Supervisor  :))

    Great ideas David!  One of the Mill Creek staff took a membership
  application 
    and was discussing with Joe - "School Membership".  She seemed to think 
    schools would jump all over this.  

    We could easily get statements from schools that have experienced this,
  for 
    marketing.  Who knows where to start - $100 & we go to the school??? -
  $300 and 
    they also get one private party at Powell in addition to our trip to the

    school???  Heck - go to the District & for $1000 work something out.
I've
  seen 
    thousands of $ spent on ridiculous programs.  We can deliver a diamond
for
  the 
    price of coal!!!Idon'tknowIdon'tknowIdon'tknow - but David Fox Knows!!!
  :)))

    David Fox has already displayed his intuitive expertise in this arena.
As

    recent as Tuesday night at Mill Creek - he alone - saved David Young's
10"
  Meade 
    from crashing to the ground!!!  One of the youngins foot caught a tripod
  leg 
    ... All heads turned to the, "OH NOOOO's, AGGGGGH's, & LOOK OUT's" ...
  when 
    suddenly ... faster than a speeding bullet ... leaping over small kiddos
  ... 
    more powerful than the locals - our very own DAVID FOX caught the scope
in
  his 
    arms AND avoided damage to the scope & all small people in the immediate

    perimeter.  A definite display of SOS material!!!
    GO DAVID - GO DAVID - GO DAVID  :)
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I'm here.    And I volunteer for some of the Science Nights when I can.
But due to excessive job demands of late,
I am having to cut back on my volunteer work this year.   I have to keep up
with my League work, and being on the
staff at Powell, but beyond that..... I'm being careful with myself.  

     Jackie Beucher
Sales - EMJ - Kansas City
     Ph: 816-483-4140
  Toll free: 800-821-2500
     fax: 816-241-3677


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Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 5:14 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ASKC] Out Reach Project



Now to wait and see how many more join on or have comments. , The one's that
don't have Internet access at work.

 

Dave F.

 

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From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...] 
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 12:49 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Out Reach Project

 

You can sign me up David. I love to do those school nights. I think we could
do a terrific job if we had 4 or 5 people at each night.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: SM20 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 1:13 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] Out Reach Project




  Ok, so I would need 5 to 15 people to volunteer to be part of the Out
Reach
  Project. This would be a pool of people to pull from, that are not tied up
  with the Powell or the Warko Projects.  



  I'm not sure if this would work or not, so to start with - I'm looking to
  start looking at schools in my local area. that would be the L.S. , Blue
  Springs, Raytown, Indep, or around these parts. I would not turn down a
  school that's not local to me, money is money!



  I'm going to try to push the school to drop $90 a show (shows last 1.5 to
2
  hours). What do you think of the cost Joe/David?

  I would need folded handouts, and a sign up/information sheet for the
  schools.

  The main push of the Out Reach Project would be 1) to show students and
  parents the sky, 2) to recruit new members to ASKC, and to raise Moneys
for
  ASKC.  



  This would be great as David Y. said,  for the new members, all you have
to
  do is stand by a telescope and point it at the moon or something, after
that
  you learn very fast as to what to say to the kids to get them to look.
And
  you don't have to bring a scope, the club has scopes or other members have
  spares, or just come to help out.



  Again, what does the group think?  Think about it and I'm sure Joe and/or
  David Y. will let me know to stop or continue with this.



  Can I get someone to rewrite this and get it in the newsletter?  As
looking
  for volunteers for the Out Reach Project.



  Any volunteers to join the group?   If I can get more then 5 then some
would
  not need to show at each program. But I would like you to commit to 1
night
  every 2 or 3 programs. If I don't get enough volunteers then we will go
back
  to the old way...







  End.enough said.







    







    _____  

  From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...] 
  Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 6:56 AM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] S. O. S.



  Way to go David on saving the little people. To heck with the scope!  If
we
  can get paid for these nights (sorry to sound so mercinary) we should
  certainly pursue it. Provided we can effectively staff these nights, Warko
  at UMKC, and most importantly, Powell Observatory. Joe and I sort of
jumped
  into the Warko gig as an income producer. Always thinking of money I
  guess;-)  Our membership is slowly growing and this would be a great way
for
  new membes to participate. Maybe we can staff all these ! !

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: mikekansascity@... 
    To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
    Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 10:27 PM
    Subject: [ASKC] S. O. S.


    S.  O.  S.
    I move David Fox be accepted by acclamation as
    School Outreach Supervisor  :))

    Great ideas David!  One of the Mill Creek staff took a membership
  application 
    and was discussing with Joe - "School Membership".  She seemed to think 
    schools would jump all over this.  

    We could easily get statements from schools that have experienced this,
  for 
    marketing.  Who knows where to start - $100 & we go to the school??? -
  $300 and 
    they also get one private party at Powell in addition to our trip to the

    school???  Heck - go to the District & for $1000 work something out.
I've
  seen 
    thousands of $ spent on ridiculous programs.  We can deliver a diamond
for
  the 
    price of coal!!!Idon'tknowIdon'tknowIdon'tknow - but David Fox Knows!!!
  :)))

    David Fox has already displayed his intuitive expertise in this arena.
As

    recent as Tuesday night at Mill Creek - he alone - saved David Young's
10"
  Meade 
    from crashing to the ground!!!  One of the youngins foot caught a tripod
  leg 
    ... All heads turned to the, "OH NOOOO's, AGGGGGH's, & LOOK OUT's" ...
  when 
    suddenly ... faster than a speeding bullet ... leaping over small kiddos
  ... 
    more powerful than the locals - our very own DAVID FOX caught the scope
in
  his 
    arms AND avoided damage to the scope & all small people in the immediate

    perimeter.  A definite display of SOS material!!!
    GO DAVID - GO DAVID - GO DAVID  :)
    Mike Sterling


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Could I throw in one more bone for all of us to chew on?

I appreciate the discussion on the Out Reach Project as well as our efforts
at Powell and Warko.  As a lot of you already know, I am on a team at Powell
and volunteer to do school nights and private nights at Powell and will
continue to do so.  I have also volunteered my time at Science City for the
planetarium.

No, this email isn't about how busy I am and that I can't do anymore.  This
is about trying to coordinate and communicate so that our volunteer
activities can help promote the other volunteer activities.  For example, we
are working with Science City to cross promote events between Science City
and Powell Observatory.  We should do this across ALL the things we do so
that regardless of whether ASKC members are working at Powell, Warko,
Science City or at school XYZ, we can let people know what other events we
are doing and are associated with.  Maybe a big calendar type sign we hang
up wherever we are listed what else we're doing.  Maybe an extra or new link
on the website.  Maybe all of the above.  I don't know.  I'm an engineer and
teacher, not a marketing type.

Just more food for thought.  I am very excited about all of the new
opportunites that the ASKC has this year and will definitely jump in to
volunteer when I'm needed!

Rick Henderson

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dick Harshaw" <dwharshaw@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 11:17 AM
Subject: RE: [ASKC] Out Reach Project


>
> Mr. Fox, I like your approach.  Since I am committed to Powell in 2005, I
> would not want to sign up as a full-time member of the team, BUT, I am
> willing to assist you when you'll be working in a school near me (north of
> the River, Independence, Raytown, Lee's Summit, Blue Springs, etc.) and my
> calendar is not already full of Powell duties or business commitments.
> Would that be ok with you?
>
> Dick H.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SM20 [mailto:sm20@...]
> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 1:14 PM
> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [ASKC] Out Reach Project
>
>
>
>
>
> Ok, so I would need 5 to 15 people to volunteer to be part of the Out
Reach
> Project. This would be a pool of people to pull from, that are not tied up
> with the Powell or the Warko Projects.
>
>
>
> I'm not sure if this would work or not, so to start with - I'm looking to
> start looking at schools in my local area. that would be the L.S. , Blue
> Springs, Raytown, Indep, or around these parts. I would not turn down a
> school that's not local to me, money is money!
>
>
>
> I'm going to try to push the school to drop $90 a show (shows last 1.5 to
2
> hours). What do you think of the cost Joe/David?
>
> I would need folded handouts, and a sign up/information sheet for the
> schools.
>
> The main push of the Out Reach Project would be 1) to show students and
> parents the sky, 2) to recruit new members to ASKC, and to raise Moneys
for
> ASKC.
>
>
>
> This would be great as David Y. said,  for the new members, all you have
to
> do is stand by a telescope and point it at the moon or something, after
that
> you learn very fast as to what to say to the kids to get them to look.
And
> you don't have to bring a scope, the club has scopes or other members have
> spares, or just come to help out.
>
>
>
> Again, what does the group think?  Think about it and I'm sure Joe and/or
> David Y. will let me know to stop or continue with this.
>
>
>
> Can I get someone to rewrite this and get it in the newsletter?  As
looking
> for volunteers for the Out Reach Project.
>
>
>
> Any volunteers to join the group?   If I can get more then 5 then some
would
> not need to show at each program. But I would like you to commit to 1
night
> every 2 or 3 programs. If I don't get enough volunteers then we will go
back
> to the old way...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> End.enough said.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   _____
>
> From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 6:56 AM
> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [ASKC] S. O. S.
>
>
>
> Way to go David on saving the little people. To heck with the scope!  If
we
> can get paid for these nights (sorry to sound so mercinary) we should
> certainly pursue it. Provided we can effectively staff these nights, Warko
> at UMKC, and most importantly, Powell Observatory. Joe and I sort of
jumped
> into the Warko gig as an income producer. Always thinking of money I
> guess;-)  Our membership is slowly growing and this would be a great way
for
> new membes to participate. Maybe we can staff all these ! !
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: mikekansascity@...
>   To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 10:27 PM
>   Subject: [ASKC] S. O. S.
>
>
>   S.  O.  S.
>   I move David Fox be accepted by acclamation as
>   School Outreach Supervisor  :))
>
>   Great ideas David!  One of the Mill Creek staff took a membership
> application
>   and was discussing with Joe - "School Membership".  She seemed to think
>   schools would jump all over this.
>
>   We could easily get statements from schools that have experienced this,
> for
>   marketing.  Who knows where to start - $100 & we go to the school??? -
> $300 and
>   they also get one private party at Powell in addition to our trip to the
>   school???  Heck - go to the District & for $1000 work something out.
I've
> seen
>   thousands of $ spent on ridiculous programs.  We can deliver a diamond
for
> the
>   price of coal!!!Idon'tknowIdon'tknowIdon'tknow - but David Fox Knows!!!
> :)))
>
>   David Fox has already displayed his intuitive expertise in this arena.
As
>
>   recent as Tuesday night at Mill Creek - he alone - saved David Young's
10"
> Meade
>   from crashing to the ground!!!  One of the youngins foot caught a tripod
> leg
>   ... All heads turned to the, "OH NOOOO's, AGGGGGH's, & LOOK OUT's" ...
> when
>   suddenly ... faster than a speeding bullet ... leaping over small kiddos
> ...
>   more powerful than the locals - our very own DAVID FOX caught the scope
in
> his
>   arms AND avoided damage to the scope & all small people in the immediate
>   perimeter.  A definite display of SOS material!!!
>   GO DAVID - GO DAVID - GO DAVID  :)
>   Mike Sterling
>
>
>   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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3rd along with several others.  Just FYI so if that helps the Out Reach
Project.

Rick Henderson

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Henderson" <rhenderson1@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 3:53 PM
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Out Reach Project


>
> Could I throw in one more bone for all of us to chew on?
>
> I appreciate the discussion on the Out Reach Project as well as our
efforts
> at Powell and Warko.  As a lot of you already know, I am on a team at
Powell
> and volunteer to do school nights and private nights at Powell and will
> continue to do so.  I have also volunteered my time at Science City for
the
> planetarium.
>
> No, this email isn't about how busy I am and that I can't do anymore.
This
> is about trying to coordinate and communicate so that our volunteer
> activities can help promote the other volunteer activities.  For example,
we
> are working with Science City to cross promote events between Science City
> and Powell Observatory.  We should do this across ALL the things we do so
> that regardless of whether ASKC members are working at Powell, Warko,
> Science City or at school XYZ, we can let people know what other events we
> are doing and are associated with.  Maybe a big calendar type sign we hang
> up wherever we are listed what else we're doing.  Maybe an extra or new
link
> on the website.  Maybe all of the above.  I don't know.  I'm an engineer
and
> teacher, not a marketing type.
>
> Just more food for thought.  I am very excited about all of the new
> opportunites that the ASKC has this year and will definitely jump in to
> volunteer when I'm needed!
>
> Rick Henderson
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dick Harshaw" <dwharshaw@...>
> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 11:17 AM
> Subject: RE: [ASKC] Out Reach Project
>
>
> >
> > Mr. Fox, I like your approach.  Since I am committed to Powell in 2005,
I
> > would not want to sign up as a full-time member of the team, BUT, I am
> > willing to assist you when you'll be working in a school near me (north
of
> > the River, Independence, Raytown, Lee's Summit, Blue Springs, etc.) and
my
> > calendar is not already full of Powell duties or business commitments.
> > Would that be ok with you?
> >
> > Dick H.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: SM20 [mailto:sm20@...]
> > Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 1:14 PM
> > To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [ASKC] Out Reach Project
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Ok, so I would need 5 to 15 people to volunteer to be part of the Out
> Reach
> > Project. This would be a pool of people to pull from, that are not tied
up
> > with the Powell or the Warko Projects.
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm not sure if this would work or not, so to start with - I'm looking
to
> > start looking at schools in my local area. that would be the L.S. , Blue
> > Springs, Raytown, Indep, or around these parts. I would not turn down a
> > school that's not local to me, money is money!
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm going to try to push the school to drop $90 a show (shows last 1.5
to
> 2
> > hours). What do you think of the cost Joe/David?
> >
> > I would need folded handouts, and a sign up/information sheet for the
> > schools.
> >
> > The main push of the Out Reach Project would be 1) to show students and
> > parents the sky, 2) to recruit new members to ASKC, and to raise Moneys
> for
> > ASKC.
> >
> >
> >
> > This would be great as David Y. said,  for the new members, all you have
> to
> > do is stand by a telescope and point it at the moon or something, after
> that
> > you learn very fast as to what to say to the kids to get them to look.
> And
> > you don't have to bring a scope, the club has scopes or other members
have
> > spares, or just come to help out.
> >
> >
> >
> > Again, what does the group think?  Think about it and I'm sure Joe
and/or
> > David Y. will let me know to stop or continue with this.
> >
> >
> >
> > Can I get someone to rewrite this and get it in the newsletter?  As
> looking
> > for volunteers for the Out Reach Project.
> >
> >
> >
> > Any volunteers to join the group?   If I can get more then 5 then some
> would
> > not need to show at each program. But I would like you to commit to 1
> night
> > every 2 or 3 programs. If I don't get enough volunteers then we will go
> back
> > to the old way...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > End.enough said.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >   _____
> >
> > From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
> > Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 6:56 AM
> > To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [ASKC] S. O. S.
> >
> >
> >
> > Way to go David on saving the little people. To heck with the scope!  If
> we
> > can get paid for these nights (sorry to sound so mercinary) we should
> > certainly pursue it. Provided we can effectively staff these nights,
Warko
> > at UMKC, and most importantly, Powell Observatory. Joe and I sort of
> jumped
> > into the Warko gig as an income producer. Always thinking of money I
> > guess;-)  Our membership is slowly growing and this would be a great way
> for
> > new membes to participate. Maybe we can staff all these ! !
> >
> >   ----- Original Message -----
> >   From: mikekansascity@...
> >   To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> >   Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 10:27 PM
> >   Subject: [ASKC] S. O. S.
> >
> >
> >   S.  O.  S.
> >   I move David Fox be accepted by acclamation as
> >   School Outreach Supervisor  :))
> >
> >   Great ideas David!  One of the Mill Creek staff took a membership
> > application
> >   and was discussing with Joe - "School Membership".  She seemed to
think
> >   schools would jump all over this.
> >
> >   We could easily get statements from schools that have experienced
this,
> > for
> >   marketing.  Who knows where to start - $100 & we go to the school??? -
> > $300 and
> >   they also get one private party at Powell in addition to our trip to
the
> >   school???  Heck - go to the District & for $1000 work something out.
> I've
> > seen
> >   thousands of $ spent on ridiculous programs.  We can deliver a diamond
> for
> > the
> >   price of coal!!!Idon'tknowIdon'tknowIdon'tknow - but David Fox
Knows!!!
> > :)))
> >
> >   David Fox has already displayed his intuitive expertise in this arena.
> As
> >
> >   recent as Tuesday night at Mill Creek - he alone - saved David Young's
> 10"
> > Meade
> >   from crashing to the ground!!!  One of the youngins foot caught a
tripod
> > leg
> >   ... All heads turned to the, "OH NOOOO's, AGGGGGH's, & LOOK OUT's" ...
> > when
> >   suddenly ... faster than a speeding bullet ... leaping over small
kiddos
> > ...
> >   more powerful than the locals - our very own DAVID FOX caught the
scope
> in
> > his
> >   arms AND avoided damage to the scope & all small people in the
immediate
> >   perimeter.  A definite display of SOS material!!!
> >   GO DAVID - GO DAVID - GO DAVID  :)
> >   Mike Sterling
> >
> >
> >   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
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I also plan on going..
Mike Sterling


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maybe there should be a way to try to recruit "staff" from new members
from
these various programs.  all to often in volunteer organizations the
main volunteers
work themselves to burnout without enough help.

maybe reaching to science teachers to come to powell for training as
operators / staff
when a school signed up.

frequent appeals for people to train to do the planetarium duties when
they start up, and
try to include public in "behind the scenes" help or programs at the
planetarium would work.
there's a sort of inate appeal to people if they can get something extra
that the rest of
the public doesn't get when you do that sort of thing, maybe a special
planetarium night,
or powell observing night for people who would do just crowd control and
so forth with
a single person who is the actual lecturer.

good to actually see all these nice programs potentially starting up,
rather than interest
going down on astronomy in general as well.

Jim

David Hudgins wrote:

> I am happy to hear of the interest in public outreach and school
> programs...but in addtion to staffing Powell Saturday nights & special
> groups, and now the Warko scope year round, don't forget the
> commitment also being made to help at the Science City Planetarium.

So you are saying that you want to know what dates have been set already. 

 

How about a flyer/sign, or a Web Page that has all that we are doing, The
Sci. City, Warko, Powell, Out Reach, DSS Partys.

 

Dates, Dates, Where are the dates listed, when, who and where. for all these
events..   If we don't have all the dates lets get down the ones we have.

 

Or do others have this planned out already?  Create a Excel page with all
the dates that can be update by the leaders of each project and put out a
flyer or web page of these updates as we go alone.  

 

At this time the only dates that I have seen are the Star Party listed early
this week.  

 

 

 

 

 

  _____  

From: Rick Henderson [mailto:rhenderson1@...] 
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 1:53 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Out Reach Project

 

Could I throw in one more bone for all of us to chew on?

I appreciate the discussion on the Out Reach Project as well as our efforts
at Powell and Warko.  As a lot of you already know, I am on a team at Powell
and volunteer to do school nights and private nights at Powell and will
continue to do so.  I have also volunteered my time at Science City for the
planetarium.

No, this email isn't about how busy I am and that I can't do anymore.  This
is about trying to coordinate and communicate so that our volunteer
activities can help promote the other volunteer activities.  For example, we
are working with Science City to cross promote events between Science City
and Powell Observatory.  We should do this across ALL the things we do so
that regardless of whether ASKC members are working at Powell, Warko,
Science City or at school XYZ, we can let people know what other events we
are doing and are associated with.  Maybe a big calendar type sign we hang
up wherever we are listed what else we're doing.  Maybe an extra or new link
on the website.  Maybe all of the above.  I don't know.  I'm an engineer and
teacher, not a marketing type.

Just more food for thought.  I am very excited about all of the new
opportunites that the ASKC has this year and will definitely jump in to
volunteer when I'm needed!

Rick Henderson

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dick Harshaw" <dwharshaw@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 11:17 AM
Subject: RE: [ASKC] Out Reach Project


>
> Mr. Fox, I like your approach.  Since I am committed to Powell in 2005, I
> would not want to sign up as a full-time member of the team, BUT, I am
> willing to assist you when you'll be working in a school near me (north of
> the River, Independence, Raytown, Lee's Summit, Blue Springs, etc.) and my
> calendar is not already full of Powell duties or business commitments.
> Would that be ok with you?
>
> Dick H.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SM20 [mailto:sm20@...]
> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 1:14 PM
> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [ASKC] Out Reach Project
>
>
>
>
>
> Ok, so I would need 5 to 15 people to volunteer to be part of the Out
Reach
> Project. This would be a pool of people to pull from, that are not tied up
> with the Powell or the Warko Projects.
>
>
>
> I'm not sure if this would work or not, so to start with - I'm looking to
> start looking at schools in my local area. that would be the L.S. , Blue
> Springs, Raytown, Indep, or around these parts. I would not turn down a
> school that's not local to me, money is money!
>
>
>
> I'm going to try to push the school to drop $90 a show (shows last 1.5 to
2
> hours). What do you think of the cost Joe/David?
>
> I would need folded handouts, and a sign up/information sheet for the
> schools.
>
> The main push of the Out Reach Project would be 1) to show students and
> parents the sky, 2) to recruit new members to ASKC, and to raise Moneys
for
> ASKC.
>
>
>
> This would be great as David Y. said,  for the new members, all you have
to
> do is stand by a telescope and point it at the moon or something, after
that
> you learn very fast as to what to say to the kids to get them to look.
And
> you don't have to bring a scope, the club has scopes or other members have
> spares, or just come to help out.
>
>
>
> Again, what does the group think?  Think about it and I'm sure Joe and/or
> David Y. will let me know to stop or continue with this.
>
>
>
> Can I get someone to rewrite this and get it in the newsletter?  As
looking
> for volunteers for the Out Reach Project.
>
>
>
> Any volunteers to join the group?   If I can get more then 5 then some
would
> not need to show at each program. But I would like you to commit to 1
night
> every 2 or 3 programs. If I don't get enough volunteers then we will go
back
> to the old way...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> End.enough said.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   _____
>
> From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 6:56 AM
> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [ASKC] S. O. S.
>
>
>
> Way to go David on saving the little people. To heck with the scope!  If
we
> can get paid for these nights (sorry to sound so mercinary) we should
> certainly pursue it. Provided we can effectively staff these nights, Warko
> at UMKC, and most importantly, Powell Observatory. Joe and I sort of
jumped
> into the Warko gig as an income producer. Always thinking of money I
> guess;-)  Our membership is slowly growing and this would be a great way
for
> new membes to participate. Maybe we can staff all these ! !
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: mikekansascity@...
>   To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 10:27 PM
>   Subject: [ASKC] S. O. S.
>
>
>   S.  O.  S.
>   I move David Fox be accepted by acclamation as
>   School Outreach Supervisor  :))
>
>   Great ideas David!  One of the Mill Creek staff took a membership
> application
>   and was discussing with Joe - "School Membership".  She seemed to think
>   schools would jump all over this.
>
>   We could easily get statements from schools that have experienced this,
> for
>   marketing.  Who knows where to start - $100 & we go to the school??? -
> $300 and
>   they also get one private party at Powell in addition to our trip to the
>   school???  Heck - go to the District & for $1000 work something out.
I've
> seen
>   thousands of $ spent on ridiculous programs.  We can deliver a diamond
for
> the
>   price of coal!!!Idon'tknowIdon'tknowIdon'tknow - but David Fox Knows!!!
> :)))
>
>   David Fox has already displayed his intuitive expertise in this arena.
As
>
>   recent as Tuesday night at Mill Creek - he alone - saved David Young's
10"
> Meade
>   from crashing to the ground!!!  One of the youngins foot caught a tripod
> leg
>   ... All heads turned to the, "OH NOOOO's, AGGGGGH's, & LOOK OUT's" ...
> when
>   suddenly ... faster than a speeding bullet ... leaping over small kiddos
> ...
>   more powerful than the locals - our very own DAVID FOX caught the scope
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I would be happy to help out on some of the school nights, 
especially in the Shawnee Mission, Olathe or Blue Valley areas if we 
get some of those schools signed up.      Pete
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In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "SM20" <sm20@f...> wrote:
> So you are saying that you want to know what dates have been set 
already. 
> 
>  
> 
> How about a flyer/sign, or a Web Page that has all that we are 
doing, The
> Sci. City, Warko, Powell, Out Reach, DSS Partys.
> 
>  
> 
> Dates, Dates, Where are the dates listed, when, who and where. for 
all these
> events..   If we don't have all the dates lets get down the ones 
we have.
> 
>  
> 
> Or do others have this planned out already?  Create a Excel page 
with all
> the dates that can be update by the leaders of each project and 
put out a
> flyer or web page of these updates as we go alone.  
> 
>  
> 
> At this time the only dates that I have seen are the Star Party 
listed early
> this week.  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>   _____  
> 
> From: Rick Henderson [mailto:rhenderson1@k...] 
> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 1:53 PM
> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [ASKC] Out Reach Project
> 
>  
> 
> Could I throw in one more bone for all of us to chew on?
> 
> I appreciate the discussion on the Out Reach Project as well as 
our efforts
> at Powell and Warko.  As a lot of you already know, I am on a team 
at Powell
> and volunteer to do school nights and private nights at Powell and 
will
> continue to do so.  I have also volunteered my time at Science 
City for the
> planetarium.
> 
> No, this email isn't about how busy I am and that I can't do 
anymore.  This
> is about trying to coordinate and communicate so that our volunteer
> activities can help promote the other volunteer activities.  For 
example, we
> are working with Science City to cross promote events between 
Science City
> and Powell Observatory.  We should do this across ALL the things 
we do so
> that regardless of whether ASKC members are working at Powell, 
Warko,
> Science City or at school XYZ, we can let people know what other 
events we
> are doing and are associated with.  Maybe a big calendar type sign 
we hang
> up wherever we are listed what else we're doing.  Maybe an extra 
or new link
> on the website.  Maybe all of the above.  I don't know.  I'm an 
engineer and
> teacher, not a marketing type.
> 
> Just more food for thought.  I am very excited about all of the new
> opportunites that the ASKC has this year and will definitely jump 
in to
> volunteer when I'm needed!
> 
> Rick Henderson
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dick Harshaw" <dwharshaw@k...>
> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 11:17 AM
> Subject: RE: [ASKC] Out Reach Project
> 
> 
> >
> > Mr. Fox, I like your approach.  Since I am committed to Powell 
in 2005, I
> > would not want to sign up as a full-time member of the team, 
BUT, I am
> > willing to assist you when you'll be working in a school near me 
(north of
> > the River, Independence, Raytown, Lee's Summit, Blue Springs, 
etc.) and my
> > calendar is not already full of Powell duties or business 
commitments.
> > Would that be ok with you?
> >
> > Dick H.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: SM20 [mailto:sm20@f...]
> > Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 1:14 PM
> > To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [ASKC] Out Reach Project
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Ok, so I would need 5 to 15 people to volunteer to be part of 
the Out
> Reach
> > Project. This would be a pool of people to pull from, that are 
not tied up
> > with the Powell or the Warko Projects.
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm not sure if this would work or not, so to start with - I'm 
looking to
> > start looking at schools in my local area. that would be the 
L.S. , Blue
> > Springs, Raytown, Indep, or around these parts. I would not turn 
down a
> > school that's not local to me, money is money!
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm going to try to push the school to drop $90 a show (shows 
last 1.5 to
> 2
> > hours). What do you think of the cost Joe/David?
> >
> > I would need folded handouts, and a sign up/information sheet 
for the
> > schools.
> >
> > The main push of the Out Reach Project would be 1) to show 
students and
> > parents the sky, 2) to recruit new members to ASKC, and to raise 
Moneys
> for
> > ASKC.
> >
> >
> >
> > This would be great as David Y. said,  for the new members, all 
you have
> to
> > do is stand by a telescope and point it at the moon or 
something, after
> that
> > you learn very fast as to what to say to the kids to get them to 
look.
> And
> > you don't have to bring a scope, the club has scopes or other 
members have
> > spares, or just come to help out.
> >
> >
> >
> > Again, what does the group think?  Think about it and I'm sure 
Joe and/or
> > David Y. will let me know to stop or continue with this.
> >
> >
> >
> > Can I get someone to rewrite this and get it in the newsletter?  
As
> looking
> > for volunteers for the Out Reach Project.
> >
> >
> >
> > Any volunteers to join the group?   If I can get more then 5 
then some
> would
> > not need to show at each program. But I would like you to commit 
to 1
> night
> > every 2 or 3 programs. If I don't get enough volunteers then we 
will go
> back
> > to the old way...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > End.enough said.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >   _____
> >
> > From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@k...]
> > Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 6:56 AM
> > To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [ASKC] S. O. S.
> >
> >
> >
> > Way to go David on saving the little people. To heck with the 
scope!  If
> we
> > can get paid for these nights (sorry to sound so mercinary) we 
should
> > certainly pursue it. Provided we can effectively staff these 
nights, Warko
> > at UMKC, and most importantly, Powell Observatory. Joe and I 
sort of
> jumped
> > into the Warko gig as an income producer. Always thinking of 
money I
> > guess;-)  Our membership is slowly growing and this would be a 
great way
> for
> > new membes to participate. Maybe we can staff all these ! !
> >
> >   ----- Original Message -----
> >   From: mikekansascity@a...
> >   To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> >   Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 10:27 PM
> >   Subject: [ASKC] S. O. S.
> >
> >
> >   S.  O.  S.
> >   I move David Fox be accepted by acclamation as
> >   School Outreach Supervisor  :))
> >
> >   Great ideas David!  One of the Mill Creek staff took a 
membership
> > application
> >   and was discussing with Joe - "School Membership".  She seemed 
to think
> >   schools would jump all over this.
> >
> >   We could easily get statements from schools that have 
experienced this,
> > for
> >   marketing.  Who knows where to start - $100 & we go to the 
school??? -
> > $300 and
> >   they also get one private party at Powell in addition to our 
trip to the
> >   school???  Heck - go to the District & for $1000 work 
something out.
> I've
> > seen
> >   thousands of $ spent on ridiculous programs.  We can deliver a 
diamond
> for
> > the
> >   price of coal!!!Idon'tknowIdon'tknowIdon'tknow - but David Fox 
Knows!!!
> > :)))
> >
> >   David Fox has already displayed his intuitive expertise in 
this arena.
> As
> >
> >   recent as Tuesday night at Mill Creek - he alone - saved David 
Young's
> 10"
> > Meade
> >   from crashing to the ground!!!  One of the youngins foot 
caught a tripod
> > leg
> >   ... All heads turned to the, "OH NOOOO's, AGGGGGH's, & LOOK 
OUT's" ...
> > when
> >   suddenly ... faster than a speeding bullet ... leaping over 
small kiddos
> > ...
> >   more powerful than the locals - our very own DAVID FOX caught 
the scope
> in
> > his
> >   arms AND avoided damage to the scope & all small people in the 
immediate
> >   perimeter.  A definite display of SOS material!!!
> >   GO DAVID - GO DAVID - GO DAVID  :)
> >   Mike Sterling
> >
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Yes, essentially all of what you said, sort of a central "clearing house" or
calendar of all the volunteer activities, shows, events, whatever, that we
ASKC folks are doing.

Once this is created, then also figure out what forms we should present to
the public so that they know.  Website, handouts, calendar/poster, whatever.
We are all doing some really neat stuff and it seems we are also doing more
of it than we have previously.  We should make sure that we coordinate this
amongst ourselves and publicize so the general public knows all the stuff we
are doing.

Rick Henderson

----- Original Message -----
From: "SM20" <sm20@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 6:37 PM
Subject: RE: [ASKC] Out Reach Project


>
> So you are saying that you want to know what dates have been set already.
>
>
>
> How about a flyer/sign, or a Web Page that has all that we are doing, The
> Sci. City, Warko, Powell, Out Reach, DSS Partys.
>
>
>
> Dates, Dates, Where are the dates listed, when, who and where. for all
these
> events..   If we don't have all the dates lets get down the ones we have.
>
>
>
> Or do others have this planned out already?  Create a Excel page with all
> the dates that can be update by the leaders of each project and put out a
> flyer or web page of these updates as we go alone.
>
>
>
> At this time the only dates that I have seen are the Star Party listed
early
> this week.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   _____
>
> From: Rick Henderson [mailto:rhenderson1@...]
> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 1:53 PM
> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [ASKC] Out Reach Project
>
>
>
> Could I throw in one more bone for all of us to chew on?
>
> I appreciate the discussion on the Out Reach Project as well as our
efforts
> at Powell and Warko.  As a lot of you already know, I am on a team at
Powell
> and volunteer to do school nights and private nights at Powell and will
> continue to do so.  I have also volunteered my time at Science City for
the
> planetarium.
>
> No, this email isn't about how busy I am and that I can't do anymore.
This
> is about trying to coordinate and communicate so that our volunteer
> activities can help promote the other volunteer activities.  For example,
we
> are working with Science City to cross promote events between Science City
> and Powell Observatory.  We should do this across ALL the things we do so
> that regardless of whether ASKC members are working at Powell, Warko,
> Science City or at school XYZ, we can let people know what other events we
> are doing and are associated with.  Maybe a big calendar type sign we hang
> up wherever we are listed what else we're doing.  Maybe an extra or new
link
> on the website.  Maybe all of the above.  I don't know.  I'm an engineer
and
> teacher, not a marketing type.
>
> Just more food for thought.  I am very excited about all of the new
> opportunites that the ASKC has this year and will definitely jump in to
> volunteer when I'm needed!
>
> Rick Henderson
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dick Harshaw" <dwharshaw@...>
> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 11:17 AM
> Subject: RE: [ASKC] Out Reach Project
>
>
> >
> > Mr. Fox, I like your approach.  Since I am committed to Powell in 2005,
I
> > would not want to sign up as a full-time member of the team, BUT, I am
> > willing to assist you when you'll be working in a school near me (north
of
> > the River, Independence, Raytown, Lee's Summit, Blue Springs, etc.) and
my
> > calendar is not already full of Powell duties or business commitments.
> > Would that be ok with you?
> >
> > Dick H.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: SM20 [mailto:sm20@...]
> > Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 1:14 PM
> > To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [ASKC] Out Reach Project
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Ok, so I would need 5 to 15 people to volunteer to be part of the Out
> Reach
> > Project. This would be a pool of people to pull from, that are not tied
up
> > with the Powell or the Warko Projects.
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm not sure if this would work or not, so to start with - I'm looking
to
> > start looking at schools in my local area. that would be the L.S. , Blue
> > Springs, Raytown, Indep, or around these parts. I would not turn down a
> > school that's not local to me, money is money!
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm going to try to push the school to drop $90 a show (shows last 1.5
to
> 2
> > hours). What do you think of the cost Joe/David?
> >
> > I would need folded handouts, and a sign up/information sheet for the
> > schools.
> >
> > The main push of the Out Reach Project would be 1) to show students and
> > parents the sky, 2) to recruit new members to ASKC, and to raise Moneys
> for
> > ASKC.
> >
> >
> >
> > This would be great as David Y. said,  for the new members, all you have
> to
> > do is stand by a telescope and point it at the moon or something, after
> that
> > you learn very fast as to what to say to the kids to get them to look.
> And
> > you don't have to bring a scope, the club has scopes or other members
have
> > spares, or just come to help out.
> >
> >
> >
> > Again, what does the group think?  Think about it and I'm sure Joe
and/or
> > David Y. will let me know to stop or continue with this.
> >
> >
> >
> > Can I get someone to rewrite this and get it in the newsletter?  As
> looking
> > for volunteers for the Out Reach Project.
> >
> >
> >
> > Any volunteers to join the group?   If I can get more then 5 then some
> would
> > not need to show at each program. But I would like you to commit to 1
> night
> > every 2 or 3 programs. If I don't get enough volunteers then we will go
> back
> > to the old way...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > End.enough said.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >   _____
> >
> > From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
> > Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 6:56 AM
> > To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [ASKC] S. O. S.
> >
> >
> >
> > Way to go David on saving the little people. To heck with the scope!  If
> we
> > can get paid for these nights (sorry to sound so mercinary) we should
> > certainly pursue it. Provided we can effectively staff these nights,
Warko
> > at UMKC, and most importantly, Powell Observatory. Joe and I sort of
> jumped
> > into the Warko gig as an income producer. Always thinking of money I
> > guess;-)  Our membership is slowly growing and this would be a great way
> for
> > new membes to participate. Maybe we can staff all these ! !
> >
> >   ----- Original Message -----
> >   From: mikekansascity@...
> >   To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> >   Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 10:27 PM
> >   Subject: [ASKC] S. O. S.
> >
> >
> >   S.  O.  S.
> >   I move David Fox be accepted by acclamation as
> >   School Outreach Supervisor  :))
> >
> >   Great ideas David!  One of the Mill Creek staff took a membership
> > application
> >   and was discussing with Joe - "School Membership".  She seemed to
think
> >   schools would jump all over this.
> >
> >   We could easily get statements from schools that have experienced
this,
> > for
> >   marketing.  Who knows where to start - $100 & we go to the school??? -
> > $300 and
> >   they also get one private party at Powell in addition to our trip to
the
> >   school???  Heck - go to the District & for $1000 work something out.
> I've
> > seen
> >   thousands of $ spent on ridiculous programs.  We can deliver a diamond
> for
> > the
> >   price of coal!!!Idon'tknowIdon'tknowIdon'tknow - but David Fox
Knows!!!
> > :)))
> >
> >   David Fox has already displayed his intuitive expertise in this arena.
> As
> >
> >   recent as Tuesday night at Mill Creek - he alone - saved David Young's
> 10"
> > Meade
> >   from crashing to the ground!!!  One of the youngins foot caught a
tripod
> > leg
> >   ... All heads turned to the, "OH NOOOO's, AGGGGGH's, & LOOK OUT's" ...
> > when
> >   suddenly ... faster than a speeding bullet ... leaping over small
kiddos
> > ...
> >   more powerful than the locals - our very own DAVID FOX caught the
scope
> in
> > his
> >   arms AND avoided damage to the scope & all small people in the
immediate
> >   perimeter.  A definite display of SOS material!!!
> >   GO DAVID - GO DAVID - GO DAVID  :)
> >   Mike Sterling
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Yes!  And if it was posted on the web site, perhaps more of the public would
come and see us at the various places... when possible.

     Jackie Beucher
Sales - EMJ - Kansas City
     Ph: 816-483-4140
  Toll free: 800-821-2500
     fax: 816-241-3677


-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Henderson [mailto:rhenderson1@...]
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 4:44 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Out Reach Project



Yes, essentially all of what you said, sort of a central "clearing house" or
calendar of all the volunteer activities, shows, events, whatever, that we
ASKC folks are doing.

Once this is created, then also figure out what forms we should present to
the public so that they know.  Website, handouts, calendar/poster, whatever.
We are all doing some really neat stuff and it seems we are also doing more
of it than we have previously.  We should make sure that we coordinate this
amongst ourselves and publicize so the general public knows all the stuff we
are doing.

Rick Henderson

----- Original Message -----
From: "SM20" <sm20@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 6:37 PM
Subject: RE: [ASKC] Out Reach Project


>
> So you are saying that you want to know what dates have been set already.
>
>
>
> How about a flyer/sign, or a Web Page that has all that we are doing, The
> Sci. City, Warko, Powell, Out Reach, DSS Partys.
>
>
>
> Dates, Dates, Where are the dates listed, when, who and where. for all
these
> events..   If we don't have all the dates lets get down the ones we have.
>
>
>
> Or do others have this planned out already?  Create a Excel page with all
> the dates that can be update by the leaders of each project and put out a
> flyer or web page of these updates as we go alone.
>
>
>
> At this time the only dates that I have seen are the Star Party listed
early
> this week.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   _____
>
> From: Rick Henderson [mailto:rhenderson1@...]
> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 1:53 PM
> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [ASKC] Out Reach Project
>
>
>
> Could I throw in one more bone for all of us to chew on?
>
> I appreciate the discussion on the Out Reach Project as well as our
efforts
> at Powell and Warko.  As a lot of you already know, I am on a team at
Powell
> and volunteer to do school nights and private nights at Powell and will
> continue to do so.  I have also volunteered my time at Science City for
the
> planetarium.
>
> No, this email isn't about how busy I am and that I can't do anymore.
This
> is about trying to coordinate and communicate so that our volunteer
> activities can help promote the other volunteer activities.  For example,
we
> are working with Science City to cross promote events between Science City
> and Powell Observatory.  We should do this across ALL the things we do so
> that regardless of whether ASKC members are working at Powell, Warko,
> Science City or at school XYZ, we can let people know what other events we
> are doing and are associated with.  Maybe a big calendar type sign we hang
> up wherever we are listed what else we're doing.  Maybe an extra or new
link
> on the website.  Maybe all of the above.  I don't know.  I'm an engineer
and
> teacher, not a marketing type.
>
> Just more food for thought.  I am very excited about all of the new
> opportunites that the ASKC has this year and will definitely jump in to
> volunteer when I'm needed!
>
> Rick Henderson
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dick Harshaw" <dwharshaw@...>
> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 11:17 AM
> Subject: RE: [ASKC] Out Reach Project
>
>
> >
> > Mr. Fox, I like your approach.  Since I am committed to Powell in 2005,
I
> > would not want to sign up as a full-time member of the team, BUT, I am
> > willing to assist you when you'll be working in a school near me (north
of
> > the River, Independence, Raytown, Lee's Summit, Blue Springs, etc.) and
my
> > calendar is not already full of Powell duties or business commitments.
> > Would that be ok with you?
> >
> > Dick H.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: SM20 [mailto:sm20@...]
> > Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 1:14 PM
> > To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [ASKC] Out Reach Project
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Ok, so I would need 5 to 15 people to volunteer to be part of the Out
> Reach
> > Project. This would be a pool of people to pull from, that are not tied
up
> > with the Powell or the Warko Projects.
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm not sure if this would work or not, so to start with - I'm looking
to
> > start looking at schools in my local area. that would be the L.S. , Blue
> > Springs, Raytown, Indep, or around these parts. I would not turn down a
> > school that's not local to me, money is money!
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm going to try to push the school to drop $90 a show (shows last 1.5
to
> 2
> > hours). What do you think of the cost Joe/David?
> >
> > I would need folded handouts, and a sign up/information sheet for the
> > schools.
> >
> > The main push of the Out Reach Project would be 1) to show students and
> > parents the sky, 2) to recruit new members to ASKC, and to raise Moneys
> for
> > ASKC.
> >
> >
> >
> > This would be great as David Y. said,  for the new members, all you have
> to
> > do is stand by a telescope and point it at the moon or something, after
> that
> > you learn very fast as to what to say to the kids to get them to look.
> And
> > you don't have to bring a scope, the club has scopes or other members
have
> > spares, or just come to help out.
> >
> >
> >
> > Again, what does the group think?  Think about it and I'm sure Joe
and/or
> > David Y. will let me know to stop or continue with this.
> >
> >
> >
> > Can I get someone to rewrite this and get it in the newsletter?  As
> looking
> > for volunteers for the Out Reach Project.
> >
> >
> >
> > Any volunteers to join the group?   If I can get more then 5 then some
> would
> > not need to show at each program. But I would like you to commit to 1
> night
> > every 2 or 3 programs. If I don't get enough volunteers then we will go
> back
> > to the old way...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > End.enough said.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >   _____
> >
> > From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
> > Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 6:56 AM
> > To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [ASKC] S. O. S.
> >
> >
> >
> > Way to go David on saving the little people. To heck with the scope!  If
> we
> > can get paid for these nights (sorry to sound so mercinary) we should
> > certainly pursue it. Provided we can effectively staff these nights,
Warko
> > at UMKC, and most importantly, Powell Observatory. Joe and I sort of
> jumped
> > into the Warko gig as an income producer. Always thinking of money I
> > guess;-)  Our membership is slowly growing and this would be a great way
> for
> > new membes to participate. Maybe we can staff all these ! !
> >
> >   ----- Original Message -----
> >   From: mikekansascity@...
> >   To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> >   Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 10:27 PM
> >   Subject: [ASKC] S. O. S.
> >
> >
> >   S.  O.  S.
> >   I move David Fox be accepted by acclamation as
> >   School Outreach Supervisor  :))
> >
> >   Great ideas David!  One of the Mill Creek staff took a membership
> > application
> >   and was discussing with Joe - "School Membership".  She seemed to
think
> >   schools would jump all over this.
> >
> >   We could easily get statements from schools that have experienced
this,
> > for
> >   marketing.  Who knows where to start - $100 & we go to the school??? -
> > $300 and
> >   they also get one private party at Powell in addition to our trip to
the
> >   school???  Heck - go to the District & for $1000 work something out.
> I've
> > seen
> >   thousands of $ spent on ridiculous programs.  We can deliver a diamond
> for
> > the
> >   price of coal!!!Idon'tknowIdon'tknowIdon'tknow - but David Fox
Knows!!!
> > :)))
> >
> >   David Fox has already displayed his intuitive expertise in this arena.
> As
> >
> >   recent as Tuesday night at Mill Creek - he alone - saved David Young's
> 10"
> > Meade
> >   from crashing to the ground!!!  One of the youngins foot caught a
tripod
> > leg
> >   ... All heads turned to the, "OH NOOOO's, AGGGGGH's, & LOOK OUT's" ...
> > when
> >   suddenly ... faster than a speeding bullet ... leaping over small
kiddos
> > ...
> >   more powerful than the locals - our very own DAVID FOX caught the
scope
> in
> > his
> >   arms AND avoided damage to the scope & all small people in the
immediate
> >   perimeter.  A definite display of SOS material!!!
> >   GO DAVID - GO DAVID - GO DAVID  :)
> >   Mike Sterling
> >
> >
> >   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Beucher, Jackie" <JBeucher@e...> wrote:
> Yes!  And if it was posted on the web site, perhaps more of the
public would
> come and see us at the various places... when possible.


Ideally, someone should volunteer their free webspace with their ISP
account (everyone has one and it doesn't cost a dime) to produce this
master calendar, and one who has time to keep it updated. Personally I
would not have the time with all my other projects to keep what would
be a contintually changing website, updated on a timely basis. I could
then link the site from the ASKC website.

Maybe an interim solution would be to post activities on the ASKC/Yahoo 
calendar - at least the members would have access.  
Mike Sterling


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I can get you the web space and give ftp rights to a number of people to
do updates on the calendar.
I have web servers at work and home.. 
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: sc285 [mailto:webmaster@...] 
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 8:53 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Re: Out Reach Project



--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Beucher, Jackie" <JBeucher@e...> wrote:
> Yes!  And if it was posted on the web site, perhaps more of the
public would
> come and see us at the various places... when possible.


Ideally, someone should volunteer their free webspace with their ISP
account (everyone has one and it doesn't cost a dime) to produce this
master calendar, and one who has time to keep it updated. Personally I
would not have the time with all my other projects to keep what would
be a contintually changing website, updated on a timely basis. I could
then link the site from the ASKC website.











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Someone start pulling all the dates and save it to a excel file or
something, then post it to the files area of the yahooo group.
Then people can add to it then re-post it
Then a Master list will be started...
 

-----Original Message-----
From: sc285 [mailto:webmaster@...] 
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 8:53 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Re: Out Reach Project



--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Beucher, Jackie" <JBeucher@e...> wrote:
> Yes!  And if it was posted on the web site, perhaps more of the
public would
> come and see us at the various places... when possible.


Ideally, someone should volunteer their free webspace with their ISP
account (everyone has one and it doesn't cost a dime) to produce this
master calendar, and one who has time to keep it updated. Personally I
would not have the time with all my other projects to keep what would
be a contintually changing website, updated on a timely basis. I could
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or - just go to the existing calendar and type in the event


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Don't forget that we still need donations to run Powell Observatory.  Very few of the off site science nights donate.  I think we are running pretty slim with what we already have on our plate, and now we have our DSS to work on.  We have discussed having a star party which will generate funds but also a lot of work.  Just my 2 cents worth.  Sharon Goode

"Beucher, Jackie" <JBeucher@...> wrote:
Yes!  And if it was posted on the web site, perhaps more of the public would
come and see us at the various places... when possible.

     Jackie Beucher
Sales - EMJ - Kansas City
     Ph: 816-483-4140
  Toll free: 800-821-2500
     fax: 816-241-3677


-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Henderson [mailto:rhenderson1@...]
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 4:44 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Out Reach Project



Yes, essentially all of what you said, sort of a central "clearing house" or
calendar of all the volunteer activities, shows, events, whatever, that we
ASKC folks are doing.

Once this is created, then also figure out what forms we should present to
the public so that they know.  Website, handouts, calendar/poster, whatever.
We are all doing some really neat stuff and it seems we are also doing more
of it than we have previously.  We should make sure that we coordinate this
amongst ourselves and publicize so the general public knows all the stuff we
are doing.

Rick Henderson

----- Original Message -----
From: "SM20" <sm20@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 6:37 PM
Subject: RE: [ASKC] Out Reach Project


>
> So you are saying that you want to know what dates have been set already.
>
>
>
> How about a flyer/sign, or a Web Page that has all that we are doing, The
> Sci. City, Warko, Powell, Out Reach, DSS Partys.
>
>
>
> Dates, Dates, Where are the dates listed, when, who and where. for all
these
> events..   If we don't have all the dates lets get down the ones we have.
>
>
>
> Or do others have this planned out already?  Create a Excel page with all
> the dates that can be update by the leaders of each project and put out a
> flyer or web page of these updates as we go alone.
>
>
>
> At this time the only dates that I have seen are the Star Party listed
early
> this week.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   _____
>
> From: Rick Henderson [mailto:rhenderson1@...]
> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 1:53 PM
> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [ASKC] Out Reach Project
>
>
>
> Could I throw in one more bone for all of us to chew on?
>
> I appreciate the discussion on the Out Reach Project as well as our
efforts
> at Powell and Warko.  As a lot of you already know, I am on a team at
Powell
> and volunteer to do school nights and private nights at Powell and will
> continue to do so.  I have also volunteered my time at Science City for
the
> planetarium.
>
> No, this email isn't about how busy I am and that I can't do anymore.
This
> is about trying to coordinate and communicate so that our volunteer
> activities can help promote the other volunteer activities.  For example,
we
> are working with Science City to cross promote events between Science City
> and Powell Observatory.  We should do this across ALL the things we do so
> that regardless of whether ASKC members are working at Powell, Warko,
> Science City or at school XYZ, we can let people know what other events we
> are doing and are associated with.  Maybe a big calendar type sign we hang
> up wherever we are listed what else we're doing.  Maybe an extra or new
link
> on the website.  Maybe all of the above.  I don't know.  I'm an engineer
and
> teacher, not a marketing type.
>
> Just more food for thought.  I am very excited about all of the new
> opportunites that the ASKC has this year and will definitely jump in to
> volunteer when I'm needed!
>
> Rick Henderson
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dick Harshaw" <dwharshaw@...>
> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 11:17 AM
> Subject: RE: [ASKC] Out Reach Project
>
>
> >
> > Mr. Fox, I like your approach.  Since I am committed to Powell in 2005,
I
> > would not want to sign up as a full-time member of the team, BUT, I am
> > willing to assist you when you'll be working in a school near me (north
of
> > the River, Independence, Raytown, Lee's Summit, Blue Springs, etc.) and
my
> > calendar is not already full of Powell duties or business commitments.
> > Would that be ok with you?
> >
> > Dick H.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: SM20 [mailto:sm20@...]
> > Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 1:14 PM
> > To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [ASKC] Out Reach Project
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Ok, so I would need 5 to 15 people to volunteer to be part of the Out
> Reach
> > Project. This would be a pool of people to pull from, that are not tied
up
> > with the Powell or the Warko Projects.
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm not sure if this would work or not, so to start with - I'm looking
to
> > start looking at schools in my local area. that would be the L.S. , Blue
> > Springs, Raytown, Indep, or around these parts. I would not turn down a
> > school that's not local to me, money is money!
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm going to try to push the school to drop $90 a show (shows last 1.5
to
> 2
> > hours). What do you think of the cost Joe/David?
> >
> > I would need folded handouts, and a sign up/information sheet for the
> > schools.
> >
> > The main push of the Out Reach Project would be 1) to show students and
> > parents the sky, 2) to recruit new members to ASKC, and to raise Moneys
> for
> > ASKC.
> >
> >
> >
> > This would be great as David Y. said,  for the new members, all you have
> to
> > do is stand by a telescope and point it at the moon or something, after
> that
> > you learn very fast as to what to say to the kids to get them to look.
> And
> > you don't have to bring a scope, the club has scopes or other members
have
> > spares, or just come to help out.
> >
> >
> >
> > Again, what does the group think?  Think about it and I'm sure Joe
and/or
> > David Y. will let me know to stop or continue with this.
> >
> >
> >
> > Can I get someone to rewrite this and get it in the newsletter?  As
> looking
> > for volunteers for the Out Reach Project.
> >
> >
> >
> > Any volunteers to join the group?   If I can get more then 5 then some
> would
> > not need to show at each program. But I would like you to commit to 1
> night
> > every 2 or 3 programs. If I don't get enough volunteers then we will go
> back
> > to the old way...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > End.enough said.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >   _____
> >
> > From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
> > Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 6:56 AM
> > To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [ASKC] S. O. S.
> >
> >
> >
> > Way to go David on saving the little people. To heck with the scope!  If
> we
> > can get paid for these nights (sorry to sound so mercinary) we should
> > certainly pursue it. Provided we can effectively staff these nights,
Warko
> > at UMKC, and most importantly, Powell Observatory. Joe and I sort of
> jumped
> > into the Warko gig as an income producer. Always thinking of money I
> > guess;-)  Our membership is slowly growing and this would be a great way
> for
> > new membes to participate. Maybe we can staff all these ! !
> >
> >   ----- Original Message -----
> >   From: mikekansascity@...
> >   To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> >   Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 10:27 PM
> >   Subject: [ASKC] S. O. S.
> >
> >
> >   S.  O.  S.
> >   I move David Fox be accepted by acclamation as
> >   School Outreach Supervisor  :))
> >
> >   Great ideas David!  One of the Mill Creek staff took a membership
> > application
> >   and was discussing with Joe - "School Membership".  She seemed to
think
> >   schools would jump all over this.
> >
> >   We could easily get statements from schools that have experienced
this,
> > for
> >   marketing.  Who knows where to start - $100 & we go to the school??? -
> > $300 and
> >   they also get one private party at Powell in addition to our trip to
the
> >   school???  Heck - go to the District & for $1000 work something out.
> I've
> > seen
> >   thousands of $ spent on ridiculous programs.  We can deliver a diamond
> for
> > the
> >   price of coal!!!Idon'tknowIdon'tknowIdon'tknow - but David Fox
Knows!!!
> > :)))
> >
> >   David Fox has already displayed his intuitive expertise in this arena.
> As
> >
> >   recent as Tuesday night at Mill Creek - he alone - saved David Young's
> 10"
> > Meade
> >   from crashing to the ground!!!  One of the youngins foot caught a
tripod
> > leg
> >   ... All heads turned to the, "OH NOOOO's, AGGGGGH's, & LOOK OUT's" ...
> > when
> >   suddenly ... faster than a speeding bullet ... leaping over small
kiddos
> > ...
> >   more powerful than the locals - our very own DAVID FOX caught the
scope
> in
> > his
> >   arms AND avoided damage to the scope & all small people in the
immediate
> >   perimeter.  A definite display of SOS material!!!
> >   GO DAVID - GO DAVID - GO DAVID  :)
> >   Mike Sterling
> >
> >
> >   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
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Dear Members:

A few weeks ago I posted a response to an individual why we should do
the science nights and out reach programs.  Out reach has even been
mentioned in several messages in the CM  Out reach is our form of
community service to some very special people.  The little ones.  I tend
not to look at the 'present worth' of the money donated (or not) for
these events, but the 'future worth'.  Kids don't fill collection
plates, they grow into astronomers and club members.  The seeds that we
plant now are tomorrow's harvest.  Since many of these events are during
the school session, they affect little any scheduling at Powell.  Powell
will continue to be our flag ship and educational base.  I really don't
see a bus load of grade school kids showing up at Powell in the
evening.  So, we go to them.

The Astronomy/Aerospace/Weather programs that Rita and I teach at the
GSA camp in Tonganoxie was built from a grant by the National Science
Foundation.  This included the building, a 10 computer network, 20
binocular, 4 astroball scopes, 5 really nice binocular microscopes and
lot of other neat educational supplies.  Come join us sometime and check
it out.  Astronomy is the #1 program requested with about 500 girls a
year attending!

I am glad and proud to see this enthusiasm about going out and touching
others with astronomy.

Joe

Out Reach:  I'm in!

    I would help out. But, I think three things need to be done first. One:
Someone other than David Y should take the scheduling for school groups, he
is busy enough staffing Powell. Two: Star Lab. We need more members to be
trained to operate the Star Lab.(I have not seen the Star Lab) Three: Set a
fee that will be collected everytime.
Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
Randy
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "SM20" <sm20@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 1:13 PM
Subject: [ASKC] Out Reach Project


>
>
>
> Ok, so I would need 5 to 15 people to volunteer to be part of the Out
Reach
> Project. This would be a pool of people to pull from, that are not tied up
> with the Powell or the Warko Projects.
>
>
>
> I'm not sure if this would work or not, so to start with - I'm looking to
> start looking at schools in my local area. that would be the L.S. , Blue
> Springs, Raytown, Indep, or around these parts. I would not turn down a
> school that's not local to me, money is money!
>
>
>
> I'm going to try to push the school to drop $90 a show (shows last 1.5 to
2
> hours). What do you think of the cost Joe/David?
>
> I would need folded handouts, and a sign up/information sheet for the
> schools.
>
> The main push of the Out Reach Project would be 1) to show students and
> parents the sky, 2) to recruit new members to ASKC, and to raise Moneys
for
> ASKC.
>
>
>
> This would be great as David Y. said,  for the new members, all you have
to
> do is stand by a telescope and point it at the moon or something, after
that
> you learn very fast as to what to say to the kids to get them to look.
And
> you don't have to bring a scope, the club has scopes or other members have
> spares, or just come to help out.
>
>
>
> Again, what does the group think?  Think about it and I'm sure Joe and/or
> David Y. will let me know to stop or continue with this.
>
>
>
> Can I get someone to rewrite this and get it in the newsletter?  As
looking
> for volunteers for the Out Reach Project.
>
>
>
> Any volunteers to join the group?   If I can get more then 5 then some
would
> not need to show at each program. But I would like you to commit to 1
night
> every 2 or 3 programs. If I don't get enough volunteers then we will go
back
> to the old way...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> End.enough said.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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> From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 6:56 AM
> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [ASKC] S. O. S.
>
>
>
> Way to go David on saving the little people. To heck with the scope!  If
we
> can get paid for these nights (sorry to sound so mercinary) we should
> certainly pursue it. Provided we can effectively staff these nights, Warko
> at UMKC, and most importantly, Powell Observatory. Joe and I sort of
jumped
> into the Warko gig as an income producer. Always thinking of money I
> guess;-)  Our membership is slowly growing and this would be a great way
for
> new membes to participate. Maybe we can staff all these ! !
>
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: mikekansascity@...
>   To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 10:27 PM
>   Subject: [ASKC] S. O. S.
>
>
>   S.  O.  S.
>   I move David Fox be accepted by acclamation as
>   School Outreach Supervisor  :))
>
>   Great ideas David!  One of the Mill Creek staff took a membership
> application
>   and was discussing with Joe - "School Membership".  She seemed to think
>   schools would jump all over this.
>
>   We could easily get statements from schools that have experienced this,
> for
>   marketing.  Who knows where to start - $100 & we go to the school??? -
> $300 and
>   they also get one private party at Powell in addition to our trip to the
>   school???  Heck - go to the District & for $1000 work something out.
I've
> seen
>   thousands of $ spent on ridiculous programs.  We can deliver a diamond
for
> the
>   price of coal!!!Idon'tknowIdon'tknowIdon'tknow - but David Fox Knows!!!
> :)))
>
>   David Fox has already displayed his intuitive expertise in this arena.
As
>
>   recent as Tuesday night at Mill Creek - he alone - saved David Young's
10"
> Meade
>   from crashing to the ground!!!  One of the youngins foot caught a tripod
> leg
>   ... All heads turned to the, "OH NOOOO's, AGGGGGH's, & LOOK OUT's" ...
> when
>   suddenly ... faster than a speeding bullet ... leaping over small kiddos
> ...
>   more powerful than the locals - our very own DAVID FOX caught the scope
in
> his
>   arms AND avoided damage to the scope & all small people in the immediate
>   perimeter.  A definite display of SOS material!!!
>   GO DAVID - GO DAVID - GO DAVID  :)
>   Mike Sterling
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Randy Thompson 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 1:12 AM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] Out Reach Project


      I would help out. But, I think three things need to be done first. One:
  Someone other than David Y should take the scheduling for school groups, he
  is busy enough staffing Powell. Two: Star Lab. We need more members to be
  trained to operate the Star Lab.(I have not seen the Star Lab) Three: Set a
  fee that will be collected everytime.
  Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
  Randy
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "SM20" <sm20@...>
  To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
  Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 1:13 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] Out Reach Project


  >
  >
  >
  > Ok, so I would need 5 to 15 people to volunteer to be part of the Out
  Reach
  > Project. This would be a pool of people to pull from, that are not tied up
  > with the Powell or the Warko Projects.
  >
  >
  >
  > I'm not sure if this would work or not, so to start with - I'm looking to
  > start looking at schools in my local area. that would be the L.S. , Blue
  > Springs, Raytown, Indep, or around these parts. I would not turn down a
  > school that's not local to me, money is money!
  >
  >
  >
  > I'm going to try to push the school to drop $90 a show (shows last 1.5 to
  2
  > hours). What do you think of the cost Joe/David?
  >
  > I would need folded handouts, and a sign up/information sheet for the
  > schools.
  >
  > The main push of the Out Reach Project would be 1) to show students and
  > parents the sky, 2) to recruit new members to ASKC, and to raise Moneys
  for
  > ASKC.
  >
  >
  >
  > This would be great as David Y. said,  for the new members, all you have
  to
  > do is stand by a telescope and point it at the moon or something, after
  that
  > you learn very fast as to what to say to the kids to get them to look.
  And
  > you don't have to bring a scope, the club has scopes or other members have
  > spares, or just come to help out.
  >
  >
  >
  > Again, what does the group think?  Think about it and I'm sure Joe and/or
  > David Y. will let me know to stop or continue with this.
  >
  >
  >
  > Can I get someone to rewrite this and get it in the newsletter?  As
  looking
  > for volunteers for the Out Reach Project.
  >
  >
  >
  > Any volunteers to join the group?   If I can get more then 5 then some
  would
  > not need to show at each program. But I would like you to commit to 1
  night
  > every 2 or 3 programs. If I don't get enough volunteers then we will go
  back
  > to the old way...
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > End.enough said.
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >   _____
  >
  > From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
  > Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 6:56 AM
  > To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  > Subject: Re: [ASKC] S. O. S.
  >
  >
  >
  > Way to go David on saving the little people. To heck with the scope!  If
  we
  > can get paid for these nights (sorry to sound so mercinary) we should
  > certainly pursue it. Provided we can effectively staff these nights, Warko
  > at UMKC, and most importantly, Powell Observatory. Joe and I sort of
  jumped
  > into the Warko gig as an income producer. Always thinking of money I
  > guess;-)  Our membership is slowly growing and this would be a great way
  for
  > new membes to participate. Maybe we can staff all these ! !
  >
  >   ----- Original Message ----- 
  >   From: mikekansascity@...
  >   To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  >   Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 10:27 PM
  >   Subject: [ASKC] S. O. S.
  >
  >
  >   S.  O.  S.
  >   I move David Fox be accepted by acclamation as
  >   School Outreach Supervisor  :))
  >
  >   Great ideas David!  One of the Mill Creek staff took a membership
  > application
  >   and was discussing with Joe - "School Membership".  She seemed to think
  >   schools would jump all over this.
  >
  >   We could easily get statements from schools that have experienced this,
  > for
  >   marketing.  Who knows where to start - $100 & we go to the school??? -
  > $300 and
  >   they also get one private party at Powell in addition to our trip to the
  >   school???  Heck - go to the District & for $1000 work something out.
  I've
  > seen
  >   thousands of $ spent on ridiculous programs.  We can deliver a diamond
  for
  > the
  >   price of coal!!!Idon'tknowIdon'tknowIdon'tknow - but David Fox Knows!!!
  > :)))
  >
  >   David Fox has already displayed his intuitive expertise in this arena.
  As
  >
  >   recent as Tuesday night at Mill Creek - he alone - saved David Young's
  10"
  > Meade
  >   from crashing to the ground!!!  One of the youngins foot caught a tripod
  > leg
  >   ... All heads turned to the, "OH NOOOO's, AGGGGGH's, & LOOK OUT's" ...
  > when
  >   suddenly ... faster than a speeding bullet ... leaping over small kiddos
  > ...
  >   more powerful than the locals - our very own DAVID FOX caught the scope
  in
  > his
  >   arms AND avoided damage to the scope & all small people in the immediate
  >   perimeter.  A definite display of SOS material!!!
  >   GO DAVID - GO DAVID - GO DAVID  :)
  >   Mike Sterling
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Anyone have any thing planned for February?
Currenty the Yahoo's  calendar  has a private night on the 19th.
The 5th is the New Moon Weekend.
 
Anyone want to add dates for the next ASKC meetings for Feb. and March?
 
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: mikekansascity@... [mailto:mikekansascity@...] 
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 10:50 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Re: Out Reach Project


or - just go to the existing calendar and type in the event


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calendar - events
I think Scott and some others mentioned Feb 5 as a possible DSS night ... I'd 
be there.
Mike Sterling


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SENATOR VOWS TO FIGHT FOR HUBBLE

Amid new rumors that NASA plans to abandon the Hubble Space Telescope
(HST), a powerful US senator has vowed to continue fighting to keep the
observatory operating. Senator Barbara Mikulski (D-Maryland), one of
Hubble's staunchest supporters in Congress, wasted no time before
responding to reports that NASA's budget for fiscal year 2006, to be made
public on February 7th, contains no money to repair and upgrade the
telescope.

"It is essential that we have a safe and reliable servicing mission to
Hubble," Mikulski said in a statement distributed to reporters on Friday
afternoon, January 21st, just hours after Space.com published comments
from unnamed sources suggesting that NASA cannot afford to service Hubble
again....

> http://SkyandTelescope.com/news/article_1448_1.asp


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HIGHLIGHTS OF THIS WEEK'S SKY

* This week, the early evening sky is once again dark and moonless for
observing Comet Machholz. The comet is fading a little as it moves across
dim Camelopardalis, north of Perseus and east of Cassiopeia. But it's
still very visible in binoculars, glowing at about 4th magnitude.
* For five consecutive mornings starting Saturday, telescope users can
catch Mare Orientale, the Moon's most spectacular "hidden" landform.
* Last-quarter Moon on February 2nd.

For more details, see This Week's Sky at a Glance and Planet Roundup:

> http://SkyandTelescope.com/observing/ataglance

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Rob and all,

I can add the dates that I know I am volunteering for.

If you have a particular suggestion for an Excel spreadsheet format, cell
layout, whatever, it might be helpful so that we can all copy the same blank
spreadsheet and the date information will be provided in a consistent format
and hopefully save you some editing time to merge onto the website.

I wouldn't mind creating a sample blank sheet if you want me to so let me
know if I can help.  Whoever does it, though, needs to have our trusty
webmaster's ease of integration in mind.

Some suggestions of what information should be on spreadsheet, i.e.

Location Name, Location Address, Date, Start Time, End Time, Contact Name,
Equipment Provided by ASKC, ASKC Coordinator, ASKC Volunteers, etc.

This isn't meant to be the definitive list.  I'm just thinking out loud.

Rick Henderson


----- Original Message -----
From: "sm20" <sm20@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 10:46 PM
Subject: RE: [ASKC] Re: Out Reach Project


>
> Someone start pulling all the dates and save it to a excel file or
> something, then post it to the files area of the yahooo group.
> Then people can add to it then re-post it
> Then a Master list will be started...
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sc285 [mailto:webmaster@...]
> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 8:53 PM
> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [ASKC] Re: Out Reach Project
>
>
>
> --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Beucher, Jackie" <JBeucher@e...> wrote:
> > Yes!  And if it was posted on the web site, perhaps more of the
> public would
> > come and see us at the various places... when possible.
>
>
> Ideally, someone should volunteer their free webspace with their ISP
> account (everyone has one and it doesn't cost a dime) to produce this
> master calendar, and one who has time to keep it updated. Personally I
> would not have the time with all my other projects to keep what would
> be a contintually changing website, updated on a timely basis. I could
> then link the site from the ASKC website.
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Does anyone in this group know how to tell the resolution of optical
encoders?  I have a new mount with optical encoders pre-installed, but the
seller was not sure what the resolution is.  I need to know the resolution
so I can tell TheSky how to convert ticks to degrees, thus enabling me to
use TheSky as a digital setting circle.  I have been told there are three
common resolutions-- 2160, 3000 and 4000 steps per revolution-- but I don't
know for sure, and need to figure out what my encoder resolution is.

Thanks for any help you can provide!



Richard Harshaw
Stardeck Observatory
1817 NE 83rd Street
Kansas City, MO   64118
(816) 468-0929

"Predictions are hard to make, especially about the future."  -- Niels Bohr





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See my earlier email.  I think for our coordination purposes it would be
helpful to have more info than just a where and when.

Again, just my overinflated two cents worth.

Rick Henderson

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If you want, you could bring it to my house and we could monitor the output
while turning it and figure it out that way.  I have a storage scope that I
have used to record and analyze both digital and analog voltage outputs.

Let me know.  I get a kick out of reverse engineering this kind of stuff and
I figure I may want to research it a bit for when I get enough time and
gumption to add working encoders to the 30".

Rick Henderson


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To: "ASKC Egroup" <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 1:47 PM
Subject: [ASKC] Encoder Help?


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> Does anyone in this group know how to tell the resolution of optical
> encoders?  I have a new mount with optical encoders pre-installed, but the
> seller was not sure what the resolution is.  I need to know the resolution
> so I can tell TheSky how to convert ticks to degrees, thus enabling me to
> use TheSky as a digital setting circle.  I have been told there are three
> common resolutions-- 2160, 3000 and 4000 steps per revolution-- but I
don't
> know for sure, and need to figure out what my encoder resolution is.
>
> Thanks for any help you can provide!
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> Stardeck Observatory
> 1817 NE 83rd Street
> Kansas City, MO   64118
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THanks, Rick. Where do you live?  (Respond by private email to
dwharshaw@....)

Right now, I already have the mount installed on my pier, so it would be a
PITA to take it apart and haul it our your way, but that may be what we have
to do.  (Do you do house calls?  8^)  )

Dick H


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To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
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Dick,

If you want, you could bring it to my house and we could monitor the output
while turning it and figure it out that way.  I have a storage scope that I
have used to record and analyze both digital and analog voltage outputs.

Let me know.  I get a kick out of reverse engineering this kind of stuff and
I figure I may want to research it a bit for when I get enough time and
gumption to add working encoders to the 30".

Rick Henderson


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From: "Dick Harshaw" <dwharshaw@...>
To: "ASKC Egroup" <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 1:47 PM
Subject: [ASKC] Encoder Help?


>
> Does anyone in this group know how to tell the resolution of optical
> encoders?  I have a new mount with optical encoders pre-installed, but the
> seller was not sure what the resolution is.  I need to know the resolution
> so I can tell TheSky how to convert ticks to degrees, thus enabling me to
> use TheSky as a digital setting circle.  I have been told there are three
> common resolutions-- 2160, 3000 and 4000 steps per revolution-- but I
don't
> know for sure, and need to figure out what my encoder resolution is.
>
> Thanks for any help you can provide!
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>
> Richard Harshaw
> Stardeck Observatory
> 1817 NE 83rd Street
> Kansas City, MO   64118
> (816) 468-0929
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> Does anyone in this group know how to tell the resolution of optical
> encoders?  I have a new mount with optical encoders pre-installed,
but the
> seller was not sure what the resolution is.

So what did you buy? A Paramount???

Rob

Paramount?  Don't we wish!!!!

Got a second CI-700 so I could use one with the C11 OTA at the DSS and the
other on top of my pier (permanently, more or less).

DH


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Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 2:11 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
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--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Dick Harshaw" <dwharshaw@k...> wrote:
> Does anyone in this group know how to tell the resolution of optical
> encoders?  I have a new mount with optical encoders pre-installed,
but the
> seller was not sure what the resolution is.

So what did you buy? A Paramount???

Rob









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True that would help, if we know who was helping or going.
 
But, lets start somewhere - and the yahoo thing is a good place to
start.
 
AS we start to get the dates, times, whos and whats together, I was
going to put it together in a text file.
then we can all insert into it as needed....
 
Example - 
Feb 5   - New Moon Weekend
                       Location:  DSS   Hosted By Scott
                        For :All ASKC's 
                        Time:  Sat Night and Friday if Weather is good
 
Feb 19  -Powell  6-10pm Res: for Fred and Friends
 
March 3 - Barstow Night
                Group Leader: xxxxxxxx
                Helper1: xxxxxxxxxx
                Helper2: xxxxxxx
                More volunteers needed

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Henderson [mailto:rhenderson1@...] 
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 1:48 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
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See my earlier email.  I think for our coordination purposes it would be
helpful to have more info than just a where and when.

Again, just my overinflated two cents worth.

Rick Henderson

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The March 3 should have more info added like when and where.

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Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 3:43 PM
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True that would help, if we know who was helping or going.

But, lets start somewhere - and the yahoo thing is a good place to
start.

AS we start to get the dates, times, whos and whats together, I was
going to put it together in a text file.
then we can all insert into it as needed....

Example - 
Feb 5   - New Moon Weekend
                       Location:  DSS   Hosted By Scott
                        For :All ASKC's 
                        Time:  Sat Night and Friday if Weather is good

Feb 19  -Powell  6-10pm Res: for Fred and Friends

March 3 - Barstow Night  - 111 Main Street, O.P. KS    From 6pm till 8
or 9 
                Group Leader: xxxxxxxx
                Helper1: xxxxxxxxxx
                Helper2: xxxxxxx
                More volunteers needed

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 1:48 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
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See my earlier email.  I think for our coordination purposes it would be
helpful to have more info than just a where and when.

Again, just my overinflated two cents worth.

Rick Henderson

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What the address for Barstow School science night
 
Thanks

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Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 2:36 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Re: Barstow Night March 3rd



I am willing to help March 3 at Barstow.

Is the Star Lab, is that that blow-up thing that kids play in?  I am
especially 
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Is there a list of the Night Sky Network programs/materials that Shelly has?
A topics/materials list on the Yahoo groups file page might be helpful, both
for our school outreach and Powell programs.
Also, if I remember correctly we had Shelly and may be Dave H listed as our
contact people.
Can we add more?
NOTE:  I am NOT volunteering  : )

Kathy


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Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 2:55 AM
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> Rember the Night Sky Network the ASKC joined? Shelly has access to some
really excellent programs and materials that would be free and ready made.

If the weather and ground conditions are good, I'll be going out.  This isn't a formal star party or anything.

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calendar - events
I think Scott and some others mentioned Feb 5 as a possible DSS night ... I'd 
be there.
Mike Sterling


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Barstow School    
11511 State Line Rd 
Kansas City, MO 64114 
Phone: (816) 942-4054  

March 3rd is a Thursday.

Next question: what's the start time?

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "sm20" <sm20@f...> wrote:
> What the address for Barstow School science night
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> Is the Star Lab, is that that blow-up thing that kids play in?  I am
> especially 
> willing to help with that, sounds like fun?

I have on my calendar 6:00 PM, but if I remember the original email they
indicated they would feed us dinner prior to the actual program start, which
I think starts at 7:00 PM.

I will call Diana Abitz, the contact name I have for Barstow, and post all
information I can get from her in the next couple of days.

Rick Henderson


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Nowlin grade school ask for someone with a scope to come to their
science fair.

Monday
Fe. 7th
6:30-8:30
John Nowlin Elem. School
Blue Springs
5020 Valley View Rd.
Corrie Clasen
816-224-1355

I plan to skip scout meeting to attend.  Anyone else?


Joe

I'll be there.
Mike Sterling


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I'll see you there,,
 
Dave F.

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Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 4:45 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Nowling Science Fair


Nowlin grade school ask for someone with a scope to come to their
science fair.

Monday
Fe. 7th
6:30-8:30
John Nowlin Elem. School
Blue Springs
5020 Valley View Rd.
Corrie Clasen
816-224-1355

I plan to skip scout meeting to attend.  Anyone else?


Joe









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Yo gonna bring dat big ballon? I'll be there with a telescope or two.
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  Subject: [ASKC] Nowling Science Fair


  Nowlin grade school ask for someone with a scope to come to their
  science fair.

  Monday
  Fe. 7th
  6:30-8:30
  John Nowlin Elem. School
  Blue Springs
  5020 Valley View Rd.
  Corrie Clasen
  816-224-1355

  I plan to skip scout meeting to attend.  Anyone else?


  Joe









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Now that everyone is getting enthused about these school science nights, please note that we also have one set up at Westwood View school on March 31. It's been on the calendar for a while but I guess no one noticed.

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Hi Folks,

For anyone with an interest, I would like to include a sample of ASKC color astro images in the Spring Program that Bentley Ousley and I are putting together for the Gotttlieb Planetarium (to run March thru May). Our program is the Spring sky over Kansas City from an amateur stargazer perspective, so it seems like a nice chance to show off our ASKC talent. 

In particular I am looking for color images (film or CCD) of galaxies (in general), the Beehive star cluster, Eskimo Nebula, Double Cluster, and M42. Also Jupiter and Saturn as they portray how these planets look through a small to moderate telescope. All images will of course be credited at the end of the program.

Please contact me as quickly as possible if you have images that you would allow us to use.

Many thanks!   Dave H.   

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Noted:  2511 W. 50th Street   6 till 8pm

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Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 5:52 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] science nights


Now that everyone is getting enthused about these school science nights,
please note that we also have one set up at Westwood View school on
March 31. It's been on the calendar for a while but I guess no one
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I would like to observe one of these science nights and try to learn what is 
going on.  Would that be a possible?   Larry would like to do the same thing 
so we can learn more about these things THEN we can volunteer !!!   okie dokie? 
 Karen R.


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I will contact them tomorrow to see what they have in mind.  Stay tuned.

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After 5 mins you'll be a PRO...
 
Mostly all we do is set up a scope and keep them pointed to something
like the moon or a star cluster, then tell the kids what it is and help
them see it in the scope.
Lines form at each scope and we try to have each scope on something
different.  
 
Last time was the first time that I did not take a scope with me, I
quickly found the Mike had two set up and took over one for him.
 
We would be very happy to have you stop by and take a look, stay and
help if you would like too.
 
Dave F.
 
 
 

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Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 7:09 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] science nights


I would like to observe one of these science nights and try to learn
what is 
going on.  Would that be a possible?   Larry would like to do the same
thing 
so we can learn more about these things THEN we can volunteer !!!   okie
dokie? 
Karen R.


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Karen & Larry ---  NO!   ---   you have to volunteer now --- or else!!! - 
Guido will visit you.
You put your scope on the Moon ---
You say, "look at this" ---
then you say, "isn't that cool" ---
then they say, "awesome" ---
then you say, "next"
then they say, "thank you" 
and then they love you.................  :)

It's about 99% just like using your scope or helping out with our "Public 
Nights" at Powell.

When ANYBODY comes, rest assured you'll be helpful in any capacity, and in a 
capacity you feel comfortable with.  Even just a smile and a greeting help 
bunches! - And YOU already are good at that!
See ya there,
Mike Sterling


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David,

Since this is my old grade school, I will try to make this event. I will
"flag" the date.

Ron Abbott

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Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 5:52 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] science nights



Now that everyone is getting enthused about these school science nights,
please note that we also have one set up at Westwood View school on March
31. It's been on the calendar for a while but I guess no one noticed.

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Depending on the temps,  I'll try to have a thermos of hot chocolate.
Straight hot chocolate!

Joe

Thanks for the confidence.  :)  

Larry has to leave for a couple of nights.   So will wait until he gets back 
in town.  
Can't wait to get back into the swing of things.  I'm singing "would you love 
to swing on a star".    The weather, health etc. has kept me from looking 
through my binoculars and I am ready to LOOK.


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Thanks for the vote of confidence.   And also the compliment.  !!!   Larry is 
going to St. Charles tomorrow for a couple of days.  I have been down with 
some unpleasant critter and it hasn't been any fun at all.  I think I am finally 
getting well.  So asap we will take you up on it and it will be fun, I just 
know it.  karen


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Dave,

Here's an example of the best image of M42 I ever took.  You really want the full resolution version though ... however since it is over 27 megabytes  and I can't email it.  If you want a copy I can burn one and bring it to you.

I'll poke around for some galaxy pictures too.  I don't have any good Beehive, Eskimo, or Double Cluster images.

I also attached a collection of planet images. I doubt these will blow up well.

As far as Astronomy Day - the hours we are scheduled to be at Science City are 11AM - 5PM only.  The details as to exactly what we will be doing there are still "nebulous".  "Solar Observing, Meteors on Display, and the Newly Reopened Gottlieb Planetarium" are the highlights I sent to Astronomy Magazine.  There is a guy in the club (who Joe seems to know) named Tony (...something - I think it starts with a K), who came to the meeting last Thursday and volunteered to bring part of his meteor collection.  I think he is kind of a local expert, and this is a subject the public may be more interested in.

This week I will be sending out a request for ideas to the egroup as well as selected "old timers" for Astronomy Day.

-Dave


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>Hi Folks,
>
>For anyone with an interest, I would like to include a sample of ASKC color astro images in the Spring Program that Bentley Ousley and I are putting together for the Gotttlieb Planetarium (to run March thru May). Our program is the Spring sky over Kansas City from an amateur stargazer perspective, so it seems like a nice chance to show off our ASKC talent. 
>
>In particular I am looking for color images (film or CCD) of galaxies (in general), the Beehive star cluster, Eskimo Nebula, Double Cluster, and M42. Also Jupiter and Saturn as they portray how these planets look through a small to moderate telescope. All images will of course be credited at the end of the program.
>
>Please contact me as quickly as possible if you have images that you would allow us to use.
>
>Many thanks! � Dave H. � 
>
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Yeah, I can hep out.

Dick H


-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Wright [mailto:jswright@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 4:45 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Nowling Science Fair



Nowlin grade school ask for someone with a scope to come to their
science fair.

Monday
Fe. 7th
6:30-8:30
John Nowlin Elem. School
Blue Springs
5020 Valley View Rd.
Corrie Clasen
816-224-1355

I plan to skip scout meeting to attend.  Anyone else?


Joe






 
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I've got it penciled in.  Here's hoping for good weather ...

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Dick Harshaw" <dwharshaw@k...> wrote:
> Yeah, I can hep out.
> 
> Dick H
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Wright [mailto:jswright@k...]
> Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 4:45 PM
> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [ASKC] Nowling Science Fair
> 
> 
> 
> Nowlin grade school ask for someone with a scope to come to their
> science fair.
> 
> Monday
> Fe. 7th
> 6:30-8:30
> John Nowlin Elem. School
> Blue Springs
> 5020 Valley View Rd.
> Corrie Clasen
> 816-224-1355
> 
> I plan to skip scout meeting to attend.  Anyone else?
> 
> 
> Joe
> 
> 
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> 
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Ron,
Is the rumor correct that it took you 8 years to get out of the 6th  grade?
Tim
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 1/30/05 7:44:04 PM Central Standard Time,  
rcabbott@... writes:

David,

Since this is my old grade school, I will try to make  this event. I will
"flag" the date.

Ron Abbott

-----Original  Message-----
From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
Sent: Sunday,  January 30, 2005 5:52 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC]  science nights



Now that everyone is getting enthused about  these school science nights,
please note that we also have one set up at  Westwood View school on March
31. It's been on the calendar for a while but  I guess no one noticed.

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Tim,
No, you have the numbers reversed...it took me 6 years to get out of the 8th
grade!!

Ron

-----Original Message-----
From: TKristl100@... [mailto:TKristl100@...]
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 6:56 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] science nights




Ron,
Is the rumor correct that it took you 8 years to get out of the 6th  grade?
Tim




In a message dated 1/30/05 7:44:04 PM Central Standard Time,
rcabbott@... writes:

David,

Since this is my old grade school, I will try to make  this event. I will
"flag" the date.

Ron Abbott

-----Original  Message-----
From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
Sent: Sunday,  January 30, 2005 5:52 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC]  science nights



Now that everyone is getting enthused about  these school science nights,
please note that we also have one set up at  Westwood View school on March
31. It's been on the calendar for a while but  I guess no one noticed.

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You ol' apple polisher, you!
Tim
 
 
 
In a message dated 1/31/05 7:09:50 PM Central Standard Time,  
rcabbott@... writes:

Tim,
No, you have the numbers reversed...it took me 6 years to get  out of the 8th
grade!!

Ron

-----Original  Message-----
From: TKristl100@... [mailto:TKristl100@...]
Sent:  Monday, January 31, 2005 6:56 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re:  [ASKC] science nights




Ron,
Is the rumor correct that it  took you 8 years to get out of the 6th   grade?
Tim









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I,m trying to get a copy of the January Cosmic Messenger. I didn't 
recieve mine. Does someone have an old copy they don't want that I 
can have?  Thanks,  Pete

--
- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, TKristl100@a... wrote:
>  
> You ol' apple polisher, you!
> Tim
>  
>  
>  
> In a message dated 1/31/05 7:09:50 PM Central Standard Time,  
> rcabbott@s... writes:
> 
> Tim,
> No, you have the numbers reversed...it took me 6 years to get  out 
of the 8th
> grade!!
> 
> Ron
> 
> -----Original  Message-----
> From: TKristl100@a... [mailto:TKristl100@a...]
> Sent:  Monday, January 31, 2005 6:56 PM
> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re:  [ASKC] science nights
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Ron,
> Is the rumor correct that it  took you 8 years to get out of the 
6th   grade?
> Tim
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We just got a message from Gary Ruisinger (garyc)  that had an attachment with W32Beagle virus.  Subject was,  Deliver by mail.

Software stopped it.


George Allen

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You can download it from the ASKC website if you have the correct user name and password. You get those from Walt. I can also email you the electronic version if its ok. I don't know if you are writting from home or office. Some offices don't like people emailing big files that aren't work related. Let me know.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: pjafferis 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 10:02 AM
  Subject: [ASKC] Re: science nights



  I,m trying to get a copy of the January Cosmic Messenger. I didn't 
  recieve mine. Does someone have an old copy they don't want that I 
  can have?  Thanks,  Pete

  --
  - In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, TKristl100@a... wrote:
  >  
  > You ol' apple polisher, you!
  > Tim
  >  
  >  
  >  
  > In a message dated 1/31/05 7:09:50 PM Central Standard Time,  
  > rcabbott@s... writes:
  > 
  > Tim,
  > No, you have the numbers reversed...it took me 6 years to get  out 
  of the 8th
  > grade!!
  > 
  > Ron
  > 
  > -----Original  Message-----
  > From: TKristl100@a... [mailto:TKristl100@a...]
  > Sent:  Monday, January 31, 2005 6:56 PM
  > To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
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  > Is the rumor correct that it  took you 8 years to get out of the 
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Dear AAAA Members and Friends:  
 

I recently lost my Corvus.com domain name due to circumstances beyond my  
control. For that reason, the old CORVUS.COM website is completely down, and has  
been transferred to a new owner. Please feel free to pay them a  visit.
 
I am currently going through a process to reestablish the AAAA website  under 
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_http://astromax.com/aaaa/index.html_ (http://astromax.com/aaaa/index.html) 
 
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If you own a website that has links to Corvus.com, please redirect your  link 
to _www.AstroMax.com_ (http://www.astromax.com/) .
 
Please accept my apologies for any inconvenience this may cause you. I  
appreciate your support as I continue to consider various hosting options for  the 
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Ed
 

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All,

The Astronomical League's National Office is in need of 3-4 filing 
cabinets (4 drawer).  With the fire at Surplus Exchange, my hope of 
finding several good quality matching cabinets there is gone.

If any one knows of a source for this, please let me know.  I need to 
have these by the end of May at the latest.  We will be storing back 
issues of Reflectors in them, so they need to be sturdy, good quality 
cabinets that can handle quite a load of weight.  If need be, we will 
purchase new, but would of course prefer to save some money if 
possible.

Thank you,

Mitch Glaze

I knew of the fire in the West Bottoms, but I didn't know it was the Surplus
Exchange. Too Bad, good stuff if you took the time to look around.
Hey David Y, do they have filing cabinets at the caves of Cargo Largo?
Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
Randy
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "glaze_m" <mglaze@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 6:44 PM
Subject: [ASKC] League help needed!


>
>
> All,
>
> The Astronomical League's National Office is in need of 3-4 filing
> cabinets (4 drawer).  With the fire at Surplus Exchange, my hope of
> finding several good quality matching cabinets there is gone.
>
> If any one knows of a source for this, please let me know.  I need to
> have these by the end of May at the latest.  We will be storing back
> issues of Reflectors in them, so they need to be sturdy, good quality
> cabinets that can handle quite a load of weight.  If need be, we will
> purchase new, but would of course prefer to save some money if
> possible.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Mitch Glaze
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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>
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We need to have this done for the League national convention this summer.
Right now, we have boxes of Reflectors sitting on the floor.   Also, if any
of you have any posters, etc., that could enhance some of the bare walls
there, they would be appreciated.   

We also could use a small conference table that would seat 6-8 people.   

Thanks!!!

     Jackie Beucher
Sales - EMJ - Kansas City
     Ph: 816-483-4140
  Toll free: 800-821-2500
     fax: 816-241-3677


-----Original Message-----
From: glaze_m [mailto:mglaze@...]
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 6:44 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] League help needed!




All,

The Astronomical League's National Office is in need of 3-4 filing 
cabinets (4 drawer).  With the fire at Surplus Exchange, my hope of 
finding several good quality matching cabinets there is gone.

If any one knows of a source for this, please let me know.  I need to 
have these by the end of May at the latest.  We will be storing back 
issues of Reflectors in them, so they need to be sturdy, good quality 
cabinets that can handle quite a load of weight.  If need be, we will 
purchase new, but would of course prefer to save some money if 
possible.

Thank you,

Mitch Glaze









 
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Not very often but I have seen some over there. I haven't been for a month or so and won't be able to go tomorrow. Work is interferring with playing again;-)
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Randy Thompson 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 12:30 AM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] League help needed!


  I knew of the fire in the West Bottoms, but I didn't know it was the Surplus
  Exchange. Too Bad, good stuff if you took the time to look around.
  Hey David Y, do they have filing cabinets at the caves of Cargo Largo?
  Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
  Randy
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "glaze_m" <mglaze@...>
  To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
  Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 6:44 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] League help needed!


  >
  >
  > All,
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  > The Astronomical League's National Office is in need of 3-4 filing
  > cabinets (4 drawer).  With the fire at Surplus Exchange, my hope of
  > finding several good quality matching cabinets there is gone.
  >
  > If any one knows of a source for this, please let me know.  I need to
  > have these by the end of May at the latest.  We will be storing back
  > issues of Reflectors in them, so they need to be sturdy, good quality
  > cabinets that can handle quite a load of weight.  If need be, we will
  > purchase new, but would of course prefer to save some money if
  > possible.
  >
  > Thank you,
  >
  > Mitch Glaze
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We have a request to provide people and telescopes for a cancer kid campout in Stewartsville Mo on June 15. Stewartsville is east of St. Joseph, MO. I said we'd do it. Now I need volunteers!

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What about watching the papers for business closures and "going out of
business sales"?

DH


-----Original Message-----
From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 7:40 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] League help needed!



Not very often but I have seen some over there. I haven't been for a month
or so and won't be able to go tomorrow. Work is interferring with playing
again;-)

Yes,.   anything like that.   We'd appreciate members keeping their eyes on
the lookout for these things...

     Jackie Beucher
Sales - EMJ - Kansas City
     Ph: 816-483-4140
  Toll free: 800-821-2500
     fax: 816-241-3677


-----Original Message-----
From: Dick Harshaw [mailto:dwharshaw@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 7:43 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ASKC] League help needed!



What about watching the papers for business closures and "going out of
business sales"?

DH


-----Original Message-----
From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 7:40 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] League help needed!



Not very often but I have seen some over there. I haven't been for a month
or so and won't be able to go tomorrow. Work is interferring with playing
again;-)







 
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Put me down as tentative-- that far out, a client may want that date for a
consultation.  But for now, it's open.

Dick H


-----Original Message-----
From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 7:42 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] off site star party



We have a request to provide people and telescopes for a cancer kid campout
in Stewartsville Mo on June 15. Stewartsville is east of St. Joseph, MO. I
said we'd do it. Now I need volunteers!

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Give us a heads up as this date gets closer.

I'll bring a spare Scope for some of the other volunteers.

 

Dave F.

 

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From: David Young [mailto:dyoung8@...] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 5:42 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] off site star party

 

We have a request to provide people and telescopes for a cancer kid campout
in Stewartsville Mo on June 15. Stewartsville is east of St. Joseph, MO. I
said we'd do it. Now I need volunteers!

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I'll talk to Larry about this one.  ?   Seems like a worthy one to do if we 
could handle it emotionally.   Karen


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I've done a few at Camp Donaphan east of Kearny, Mo. Similar kind of gig. They're just special kids. Jump in.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 6:12 PM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] off site star party


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Sharon had her sergury today, the Doctor said everything went real well. We won't know how much of her nerve damage she will re-generate for a few weeks. She will probably come home Friday. She is in room 222 at Shawnee Mission hospital.
 
                                 Larry G

David Young <dyoung8@...> wrote:
I've done a few at Camp Donaphan east of Kearny, Mo. Similar kind of gig. They're just special kids. Jump in.
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  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 6:12 PM
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I'll be there
Sterling


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Larry,

Let Sharon know we are all think of her, Team 6 in particular.

Dave Brockway



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Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 9:09 PM
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> Sharon had her sergury today, the Doctor said everything went real well.
We won't know how much of her nerve damage she will re-generate for a few
weeks. She will probably come home Friday. She is in room 222 at Shawnee
Mission hospital.
>
>                                  Larry G
>
> David Young <dyoung8@...> wrote:
> I've done a few at Camp Donaphan east of Kearny, Mo. Similar kind of gig.
They're just special kids. Jump in.
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Reminder:

April 2, 2005-- 6:30 pm-- New Member's Night at Powell Observatory.
Facilitator:  Dick Harshaw
Subject:  Observing Double Stars

Outline:
What are double stars?
How are they measured?
The Catalogs and some famous DS folks
How can we tell true binaries from optical alignments?
Telescopes and resolution
Color perceptions
Making measurements (for those who want the more advanced lesson-ette)
    Submitting your measures to the astronomical community
Scale models
Lists of good pairs for various apertures

Each person gets a 3-ring binder with good material in it.

So far, I have Erik Larson, Gary Pittman, Larry and Karen Rice, and Bill
VanKirk.

Any others?

RSVP to me at dwharshaw@... so I can prepare a binder for you.



Richard Harshaw
Kansas City, MO   USA

"A lot of people have a good aim on life; they just don't seem to know when
to pull the trigger."
                 -- Will Rogers



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I'll come and pay for notebook, sine I'm a 2&1/2er.
Sterling


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We hope she recovers very well. Tell her we are thinking about her.
Dark Skies and Smooth Roads,
Randy
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To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 9:09 PM
Subject: Re: [ASKC] off site star party


>
> Sharon had her sergury today, the Doctor said everything went real well.
We won't know how much of her nerve damage she will re-generate for a few
weeks. She will probably come home Friday. She is in room 222 at Shawnee
Mission hospital.
>
>                                  Larry G
>
> David Young <dyoung8@...> wrote:
> I've done a few at Camp Donaphan east of Kearny, Mo. Similar kind of gig.
They're just special kids. Jump in.
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
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I am planning to attend.
Doug Spalding


--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Dick Harshaw" <dwharshaw@k...> wrote:
> Reminder:
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> April 2, 2005-- 6:30 pm-- New Member's Night at Powell Observatory.
> Facilitator:  Dick Harshaw
> Subject:  Observing Double Stars
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> Outline:
> What are double stars?
> How are they measured?
> The Catalogs and some famous DS folks
> How can we tell true binaries from optical alignments?
> Telescopes and resolution
> Color perceptions
> Making measurements (for those who want the more advanced lesson-
ette)
>     Submitting your measures to the astronomical community
> Scale models
> Lists of good pairs for various apertures
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> Each person gets a 3-ring binder with good material in it.
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> So far, I have Erik Larson, Gary Pittman, Larry and Karen Rice, and 
Bill
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> Richard Harshaw
> Kansas City, MO   USA
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hmmm ...
Friday night weather looks great ...
wonder if the ground will let us in???
Saturday night seems to becoming iffy ....
I just might go Friday night...
Mike Sterling


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Hey Mitch"

It really sucks.  I knew instantly during the fire when they mentioned
the building to the north was involved.  I turned my scanner off.
THERE WAS a bridge that connected the two building.  I'm going through
withdraw.  I have some binders we can use. They are new, but have
Kawaski logos on them.

Joe

OK, you'll come, but not pay.  No fees for the NBs, dude. 

DH


-----Original Message-----
From: mikekansascity@... [mailto:mikekansascity@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 9:45 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] April 2 New Member Night at Powell



I'll come and pay for notebook, sine I'm a 2&1/2er.
Sterling


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Forwarded from another egroup, I thought some of you would be interested.

     Jackie Beucher
Sales - EMJ - Kansas City
     Ph: 816-483-4140
  Toll free: 800-821-2500
     fax: 816-241-3677


Dear AOIE Members,

Here is a message from Steele Hill of NASA's GSFC:

Dear Scott,

I wanted to let you or someone there know that we are holding a SOHO 
1000 comet contest.  Just started last week.  The idea is to guess when 
SOHO will find its 1000th comet.  We are at 900 comets or a little more 
now, so this will run for a few months. There are modest prizes for the 
winners.

The URL for more info. and to enter is 
http://soho.nascom.nasa.gov/comet1000/

We have links to SOHO images and movies of comets.
  










 
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Dick -- I think I'd like to come as well.   Sounds like fun, and we'd learn
something!

     Jackie Beucher
Sales - EMJ - Kansas City
     Ph: 816-483-4140
  Toll free: 800-821-2500
     fax: 816-241-3677


-----Original Message-----
From: Dick Harshaw [mailto:dwharshaw@...]
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 6:43 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ASKC] April 2 New Member Night at Powell



OK, you'll come, but not pay.  No fees for the NBs, dude. 

DH


-----Original Message-----
From: mikekansascity@... [mailto:mikekansascity@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 9:45 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] April 2 New Member Night at Powell



I'll come and pay for notebook, sine I'm a 2&1/2er.
Sterling


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First Star Party of the Year!
 
The Stargarden Foundation is holding its first public star party of 2005 this Saturday, Feb 5. This is the first official public night at the Charles Douglas Observatory, located on the Icstars Ranch, 4 miles northwest of Warrensburg, Missouri. The topic for the night will be star clusters.
 
The event is free and open to the public. A $5 donation is suggested to cover observatory operating expenses. The observatory will be open for stargazing, weather permitting. The Douglas Observatory has one of the largest telescopes in Missouri available for viewing comets, stars, planets and nebula � a 24 inch reflector telescope.
 
The featured talk will be on star clusters and be given by amateur astronomer Rob Robinson. The talk will begin at 7 p.m. and will be given regardless of the weather.
 
The observatory is located by going approximately 4 miles north of the corner of Missouri Highway 50 and Missouri Highway 13. Turn west on OO Highway and go 1.49 miles, just across a single lane bridge. The entrance to the Observatory is marked by a yellow sign on the north side of the road.
 
The grounds will be open at 6 p.m.
For more information call 660-747-9458
Vic & Jen Winter

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Please add Jean and Jerry Liska to the New Member Night.
 
Have a great day!

		
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