Since it's time to hang a new calendar on the wall, I was wanting to know
of any dates that should get highlighted for new year.

Here are some I have found.

Astronomy Day is April 21 and September 15, 2007

ASKC'S HEART OF AMERICA STAR PARTY IS JUNE 12TH - JUNE 17TH, 2007 
ASKC's Messier Marathon Sat 04/01/06 ?? Need more info..

ICStars Star Party ??
Nebraska Star Party July 15th to 20th, 2007 -
Okie-Tex ???Sep/Oct
Texas Star Party May 13 thru 20th near Fort Davis, Texas

Birthdays of ASKCers.?

Other Dates, 

There are excellent shows on today!   Lot's on astronomy... tune in!

Jackie

http://www.seds.org/MESSIER/xtra/marathon/mm2007.html

Messier Marathon should be 17/18 March (new Moon is the 18th).

Lunar eclipse Sat 3 Mar.

See my article in the Dec CM for others (though as Rob pointed out, 
the occultations probably aren't worth trying for).

Jay

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Fox" <sm20@...> wrote:
>
>  Since it's time to hang a new calendar on the wall, I was wanting 
to know
> of any dates that should get highlighted for new year.
> 
> Here are some I have found.
> 
> Astronomy Day is April 21 and September 15, 2007
> 
> ASKC'S HEART OF AMERICA STAR PARTY IS JUNE 12TH - JUNE 17TH, 2007 
> ASKC's Messier Marathon Sat 04/01/06 ?? Need more info..
> 
> ICStars Star Party ??
> Nebraska Star Party July 15th to 20th, 2007 -
> Okie-Tex ???Sep/Oct
> Texas Star Party May 13 thru 20th near Fort Davis, Texas
> 
> Birthdays of ASKCers.?
> 
> Other Dates,
>

The mirrors discussion thread, got me thinking about my own (someday) telescope upgrade.  I would like input from the ASKC visual observers about general advice on upgrading to a larger scope.  My questions are dealing with visual only observation as I don't want to think about computerized scopes in this question.  I haven't ruled them out, but want to know about the visual comparisons.

To make investment in a larger scope worthwhile for a noticeable increase in faint object visual observation, what would be the minimum recommended increase in aperture?  In particular, I have an 8" scope and I am assuming that if the day comes when my college bound kids don't get most of my money, I should go up to at least a 12" scope.  Would that be a correct assessment?

Also, strictly from a visual observational point, would there be any significant advantage of one type of scope versus another?  Ignoring cost and equatorial/computerized stuff, what would be the visual observation tradeoffs of upgrading to a Schimdt-Cassegrain versus a Dobsonian versus a Newtonian reflector versus a Schmitdt-Newtonian?

Don't worry about me screwing up the viewing conditions with a new toy purchase in the near future, but I figure dreaming shouldn't mess up the weather too badly.

Rick Henderson



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Mid-States convention:  Omaha NE June 8-9, 2007

ALConExpo 2007:   Portland OR, August 3-4, 2007


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Dave Fox 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 12:50
  Subject: [ASKC] New Year - Calendar dates


  Since it's time to hang a new calendar on the wall, I was wanting to know
  of any dates that should get highlighted for new year.

  Here are some I have found.

  Astronomy Day is April 21 and September 15, 2007

  ASKC'S HEART OF AMERICA STAR PARTY IS JUNE 12TH - JUNE 17TH, 2007 
  ASKC's Messier Marathon Sat 04/01/06 ?? Need more info..

  ICStars Star Party ??
  Nebraska Star Party July 15th to 20th, 2007 -
  Okie-Tex ???Sep/Oct
  Texas Star Party May 13 thru 20th near Fort Davis, Texas

  Birthdays of ASKCers.?

  Other Dates, 



   

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Mike and Kathy have probably taken care of the weather conditions 
for this wear.Every one else should be home free.

  Larry G









--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Henderson" <rhenderson1@...> 
wrote:
>
> The mirrors discussion thread, got me thinking about my own 
(someday) telescope upgrade.  I would like input from the ASKC 
visual observers about general advice on upgrading to a larger 
scope.  My questions are dealing with visual only observation as I 
don't want to think about computerized scopes in this question.  I 
haven't ruled them out, but want to know about the visual 
comparisons.
> 
> To make investment in a larger scope worthwhile for a noticeable 
increase in faint object visual observation, what would be the 
minimum recommended increase in aperture?  In particular, I have an 
8" scope and I am assuming that if the day comes when my college 
bound kids don't get most of my money, I should go up to at least a 
12" scope.  Would that be a correct assessment?
> 
> Also, strictly from a visual observational point, would there be 
any significant advantage of one type of scope versus another?  
Ignoring cost and equatorial/computerized stuff, what would be the 
visual observation tradeoffs of upgrading to a Schimdt-Cassegrain 
versus a Dobsonian versus a Newtonian reflector versus a Schmitdt-
Newtonian?
> 
> Don't worry about me screwing up the viewing conditions with a new 
toy purchase in the near future, but I figure dreaming shouldn't 
mess up the weather too badly.
> 
> Rick Henderson
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Rick, 

There is a lot more than diameter of the system.  For instance, a 6"
refractor will demolish an 8" SCT of the same quality, due to the huge
central obstruction of the latter.  

In any Newtonian, as the F ratio is higher, the allowable size of the
visual diagonal is reduced, thereby increasing contrast and reducing
diffraction. A low focuser will add to this effect by allowing the diagonal
to be placed closer to the focuser, consequently smaller.

In a refractor or long Newtonian, the open end of the tube is further from
the observer's body heat, decreasing perturbation of the incoming light
shaft.

Your decision to go visual allows you to use a much smaller secondary and
illuminate only a point.  This means a lot in planetary and double star
work.  Since commercial scopes usually go for "all purpose" they use an
imaging or compromise diagonal size.  

There is a lot to consider when going for that perfect scope.  But size
matters, too.  ;-))

Geo.   


> [Original Message]
> From: Rick Henderson <rhenderson1@...>
> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: 1/1/2007 9:51:56 PM
> Subject: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation
>
> The mirrors discussion thread, got me thinking about my own (someday)
telescope upgrade.  I would like input from the ASKC visual observers about
general advice on upgrading to a larger scope.  My questions are dealing
with visual only observation as I don't want to think about computerized
scopes in this question.  I haven't ruled them out, but want to know about
the visual comparisons.
>
> To make investment in a larger scope worthwhile for a noticeable increase
in faint object visual observation, what would be the minimum recommended
increase in aperture?  In particular, I have an 8" scope and I am assuming
that if the day comes when my college bound kids don't get most of my
money, I should go up to at least a 12" scope.  Would that be a correct
assessment?
>
> Also, strictly from a visual observational point, would there be any
significant advantage of one type of scope versus another?  Ignoring cost
and equatorial/computerized stuff, what would be the visual observation
tradeoffs of upgrading to a Schimdt-Cassegrain versus a Dobsonian versus a
Newtonian reflector versus a Schmitdt-Newtonian?
>
> Don't worry about me screwing up the viewing conditions with a new toy
purchase in the near future, but I figure dreaming shouldn't mess up the
weather too badly.
>
> Rick Henderson
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
>  
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Thanks, George, for adding the secondary obstruction point to the
discussion.  I overlooked that in my first post to Rick.

 

Dick H

 

 

  _____  

From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of George
Allen
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 11:14 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation

 

Rick, 

There is a lot more than diameter of the system. For instance, a 6"
refractor will demolish an 8" SCT of the same quality, due to the huge
central obstruction of the latter. 

In any Newtonian, as the F ratio is higher, the allowable size of the
visual diagonal is reduced, thereby increasing contrast and reducing
diffraction. A low focuser will add to this effect by allowing the diagonal
to be placed closer to the focuser, consequently smaller.

In a refractor or long Newtonian, the open end of the tube is further from
the observer's body heat, decreasing perturbation of the incoming light
shaft.

Your decision to go visual allows you to use a much smaller secondary and
illuminate only a point. This means a lot in planetary and double star
work. Since commercial scopes usually go for "all purpose" they use an
imaging or compromise diagonal size. 

There is a lot to consider when going for that perfect scope. But size
matters, too. ;-))

Geo. 

> [Original Message]
> From: Rick Henderson <rhenderson1@ <mailto:rhenderson1%40kc.rr.com>
kc.rr.com>
> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups. <mailto:ASKC%40yahoogroups.com> com>
> Date: 1/1/2007 9:51:56 PM
> Subject: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation
>
> The mirrors discussion thread, got me thinking about my own (someday)
telescope upgrade. I would like input from the ASKC visual observers about
general advice on upgrading to a larger scope. My questions are dealing
with visual only observation as I don't want to think about computerized
scopes in this question. I haven't ruled them out, but want to know about
the visual comparisons.
>
> To make investment in a larger scope worthwhile for a noticeable increase
in faint object visual observation, what would be the minimum recommended
increase in aperture? In particular, I have an 8" scope and I am assuming
that if the day comes when my college bound kids don't get most of my
money, I should go up to at least a 12" scope. Would that be a correct
assessment?
>
> Also, strictly from a visual observational point, would there be any
significant advantage of one type of scope versus another? Ignoring cost
and equatorial/computerized stuff, what would be the visual observation
tradeoffs of upgrading to a Schimdt-Cassegrain versus a Dobsonian versus a
Newtonian reflector versus a Schmitdt-Newtonian?
>
> Don't worry about me screwing up the viewing conditions with a new toy
purchase in the near future, but I figure dreaming shouldn't mess up the
weather too badly.
>
> Rick Henderson
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

 



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Rick,

 

I suppose it depends on what you want to observe more than anything else.
If it is faint galaxies you are seeking, aperture will have to be the major
factor in your decision process.

 

A telescope's magnitude grasp can be estimated using the formula 

 

Mf = 6.5 - 5 (log ep dia) + 5 (log Scope dia)

 

Where (log ep dia) is the log of the eye's exit pupil.  As an example,
suppose your eye typically dilates to 0.2" diameter under dark adaptation
and the scope has an objective of six inches.  The formula becomes 

 

6.5 - 5 (log 0.20) + 5 (log 6.0) = 6.5 + 3.4949 + 3.8908 = ~13.9

 

So a six incher could reach down to about 13.9 magnitude.  

 

As you know, each step of the magnitude scale is 2.54 times the step below
it, and the eye wimps out at 6.00 (typical skies, not good dark sky
conditions). So if you wanted to go to magnitude 16, you'd solve the formula
for 16 and find that the objective can be determined by rewriting the
formula to this:

 

(Mag Target - 9.9949) / 5 = log Objective

 

Substituting 16 for Mag Target gives an objective of about 15.9 inches. 

 

To correct for absorption, you would need to add a factor to the magnitude
target-for 16th magnitude grasp, you'd need to use about 16.5 in the
formula.

 

If you have an 8 inch SCT now, going to an 11 inch would increase your
surface area about 1.89 times, which means a change in magnitude grasp from
about 14.5 down to 15.2, or a mere 0.7 magnitude jump.  Going to a 14 incher
takes you to 15.7; 16 inches down to 16.1, and so on.

 

A quick survey of the SAC deep sky database shows 8,903 galaxies within
reach of an 8 incher (of course, some of these are in the southern
hemisphere); 9,693 available to an 11-inch; 10,072 to a 14 inch; and 10,200
to a 16 inch.  But your actual mileage may vary.

 

Combine the light grasp with portability and you'll reach a good decision.
I opted to move from a C8 to a C11 because of the combination of light grasp
and portability; the 14 was too much beast to handle and a 16 really
requires a permanent observatory setup.  (Easier with a dob, of course.)
Also I was more interested in resolution than just light grasp.

 

If your goal is to do high resolution observing, like double stars or
planets, the atmosphere will limit you more than your scope.  An 11 inch
scope gives lots of detail when the skies cooperate (which isn't very often
around here); on the other hand, most nights a good 12-inch dob will
outperform the 30 at Powell simply because of the effects of seeing on a
larger instrument.  (But this applies only to seeing detail, not grasping
light; for light grasp, aperture rules, period.)

 

Hope this helps a little.  With the Aperture Fever Bug running amok in our
group now (congrats to Mike and Kathy for new big dob purchases!) and the
inevitable Murchison's Law (you'll have cloudy nights in direct proportion
to the cube of the aperture purchased divided by the square of the aperture
purchased, said ratio being expressed in weeks of lousy seeing), we should
have crummy skies for most of 2007.  

 

Makes me glad I'm moving to Phoenix. (ducking and running now).

 

 

Dick H

 

 

 

 

  _____  

From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Henderson
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 8:48 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation

 

The mirrors discussion thread, got me thinking about my own (someday)
telescope upgrade. I would like input from the ASKC visual observers about
general advice on upgrading to a larger scope. My questions are dealing with
visual only observation as I don't want to think about computerized scopes
in this question. I haven't ruled them out, but want to know about the
visual comparisons.

To make investment in a larger scope worthwhile for a noticeable increase in
faint object visual observation, what would be the minimum recommended
increase in aperture? In particular, I have an 8" scope and I am assuming
that if the day comes when my college bound kids don't get most of my money,
I should go up to at least a 12" scope. Would that be a correct assessment?

Also, strictly from a visual observational point, would there be any
significant advantage of one type of scope versus another? Ignoring cost and
equatorial/computerized stuff, what would be the visual observation
tradeoffs of upgrading to a Schimdt-Cassegrain versus a Dobsonian versus a
Newtonian reflector versus a Schmitdt-Newtonian?

Don't worry about me screwing up the viewing conditions with a new toy
purchase in the near future, but I figure dreaming shouldn't mess up the
weather too badly.

Rick Henderson

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Henderson" <rhenderson1@...> wrote:
>
> To make investment in a larger scope worthwhile for a noticeable 
increase in faint object visual observation, what would be the 
minimum recommended increase in aperture?  In particular, I have an 
8" scope and I am assuming that if the day comes when my college 
bound kids don't get most of my money, I should go up to at least a 
12" scope.  Would that be a correct assessment?

Speaking strictly about aperture only -- you will see a significant 
difference between an 8" and 12".  You may want to stick with a short 
tube scope for portability, but maybe not (I'm sure you've seen 
Doug's long focus 10", or is it a 12").  If you go with an focal 
ratio of f/5, that's a 60" focal length, quite long but manageble.
> 
> Also, strictly from a visual observational point, would there be 
any significant advantage of one type of scope versus another?  
Ignoring cost and equatorial/computerized stuff, what would be the 
visual observation tradeoffs of upgrading to a Schimdt-Cassegrain 
versus a Dobsonian versus a Newtonian reflector versus a Schmitdt-
Newtonian?

Like George says, strictly from a visual observation point, it all 
depends on the type of telescope.  Let's say you go with a 12" and 
you want to see the difference among all the types you mentioned.

Schmidt-Cassegrain:  Visually, if the optics are good, you would be 
happy.  These are f/10 systems (the new RCX400 is f/8), with a focal 
length of 120", but the optics fold and squeeze it into a tube that 
is 25" long.  The downside, is a large secondary, which will cut down 
on the contrast, but, personally, I don't think it cuts down enough 
to make up for everything else.  If you compare it to a refractor of 
the same size and focal length, the refractor would win.  The other 
downside is weight.  Even though it is compact, compared to a 
newtonian, it is heavy.  125 pounds according to Meade.  Johnny Allen 
gave up with this scope because it just got to heavy to set up.  Tim 
Kristl's 14" Celestron weighs 45 pounds, but that's because it is 
only the optical tube.  So, even if the scope gives great views, are 
you going to want to set it up on the spur of the moment?  The other 
downside is cost, and if you don't want it computeriezed -- well, 
you'd have to get the optical tube assembly and put it on a non-
computerized mount.

You ask about Dobsonian versus Newtonian.  Well, most dobsonians are 
newtonians.  What you may be asking about is a newtonian mounted 
equatorially versus alt-az, like a dob.  But, sticking with the 
visual points, 12" dobs or newts are usually around f/5 to f/8, 60" 
and 96" focal lengths respectively.  Some are short than this, f/4 to 
f/4.5, but for these faster scopes, the mirror has got to be 
extremely good to get decent views.  The faster the optics, the 
harder they are to make.  So, by just looking at the focal lengths, 
you right away see that magnifications are going to be less than a 
f/10 Schmidt-Cass.  But 60" to 96" focal length will still give you 
quite a bit of magnification.  With a 60" focal length scope, you can 
get 508 power using a 6mm eyepiece and a 2x barlow.  That's plenty of 
power for the times when the seeing conditions are good to 
excellent.  The biggest problem visually is that fast newts (f/4 to 
f/5) have lots of coma, but a parracor between the scope and the 
eyepiece will take care of that.  Dobs, of course, are where you get 
the biggest bang for the buck, espcially if you build it yourself.

The Schmidt-Newtonian is similar to the Schmidt-Cassegrian in that it 
shortens the opical tube considerably, but it does it by using a 
different set of optics.  In a newtonian, the mirror is usually a 
parabolic mirror.  In the Schmidt-Newtonian, this is replaced with a 
spherical mirror which introduces lots of spherical abberation, but 
it is corrected by using a Schmidt Corrector plate.  It still uses an 
elliptical secondary to shoot the image off to the side of the tube.  
As far as I know, Meade is the only company making these, and the 
largest one is a 10" f/4.  The biggest problem I've seen with these 
are poor mounts.  Visually, there is less coma, and of course less 
magnification, since the focal length is 40".

You didn't mention the Maksutov, which uses a heavier meniscus 
corrector lens instead of a light schmidt corrector, therefore, I 
don't think anyone makes a 12" mak due to the weight and expense of 
the corrector plate.

And of course, a 12" apochromatic refractor would be the ideal 
telescope, but expense is usually the main problem here.

From my personal point of view, the best visual telescope is a large 
dobsonian.  Just ask Kathy, Scott, David Fox and soon Mike Sterling.  
But some of my best views have been through Joe Porter's 12" 
dobsonian.  One night at the old Scopeville sight, we were looking at 
Jupiter and Saturn (through fog) with excellent seeing, and I have 
never see so much detail since that night.  By the way, Joe's 12" is 
the very first Starmaster ever made.  Take a look at it next time he 
is at a star party.

Tom Martinez
>

Rick,

If you are going for a visual scope I think you can rule out any SCT
because of that 25% secondary, leaving Newtonian or more exotic Cassegrains.

Let's mention a couple other things you shall never see in a slick paper
magazine ad.  Your health and age is a big factor.  It is worthwhile to
learn what your maximum eye pupil size is before buying EP's.  We talk
about 7mm as the common size, but a kid can make 9mm, while an old fart
like me can barely hit 5mm. 

If you smoke, have heart disease, diabetes, do any vasoconstrictor drugs
(legal or otherwise), drink before observing or have any condition that
restricts breathing, your ability to see what the scope delivers is
diminished, in some cases, greatly.  When I got diabetes I figure I lost a
magnitude of seeing, and what dark adaption remains, now takes over twice
as long to acquire.  Your eye needs a good supply of oxygen to work at it's
peak.  Some more dedicated observers use medical oxygen I hear.

I recall you are no longer a kid, so in a few years you will wonder how you
lifted some of the things you now consider lightweight.  Sometime during my
50's all the stuff I own got a lot heavier.  Strange how that happened. 
And I got a lot heavier, too.  The result is that while I once would drag
my C14 out and set it up alone,  I must now have a helper.  So if you
should buy a rig that you can barely handle now, it is only a short time
before you might need a partner.  At any rate, there is no question that
the times a scope will be put to use is inversely proportionate to it's
cumbersome factor.  

Your eye pupil size can be measured with a camera.  We once did that as a
club fun thing.  Made slides of eyeballs with a mm stick in the picture,
after sitting in the dark 15 minutes.  Are those slides still around???

Geo.



> [Original Message]
> From: Dick Harshaw <dwharshaw@...>
> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: 1/2/2007 1:12:42 PM
> Subject: RE: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation
>
> Thanks, George, for adding the secondary obstruction point to the
> discussion.  I overlooked that in my first post to Rick.
>
>  
>
> Dick H
>
>  
>
>  
>
>   _____  
>
> From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
George
> Allen
> Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 11:14 AM
> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation
>
>  
>
> Rick, 
>
> There is a lot more than diameter of the system. For instance, a 6"
> refractor will demolish an 8" SCT of the same quality, due to the huge
> central obstruction of the latter. 
>
> In any Newtonian, as the F ratio is higher, the allowable size of the
> visual diagonal is reduced, thereby increasing contrast and reducing
> diffraction. A low focuser will add to this effect by allowing the
diagonal
> to be placed closer to the focuser, consequently smaller.
>
> In a refractor or long Newtonian, the open end of the tube is further from
> the observer's body heat, decreasing perturbation of the incoming light
> shaft.
>
> Your decision to go visual allows you to use a much smaller secondary and
> illuminate only a point. This means a lot in planetary and double star
> work. Since commercial scopes usually go for "all purpose" they use an
> imaging or compromise diagonal size. 
>
> There is a lot to consider when going for that perfect scope. But size
> matters, too. ;-))
>
> Geo. 
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Rick Henderson <rhenderson1@ <mailto:rhenderson1%40kc.rr.com>
> kc.rr.com>
> > To: <ASKC@yahoogroups. <mailto:ASKC%40yahoogroups.com> com>
> > Date: 1/1/2007 9:51:56 PM
> > Subject: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation
> >
> > The mirrors discussion thread, got me thinking about my own (someday)
> telescope upgrade. I would like input from the ASKC visual observers about
> general advice on upgrading to a larger scope. My questions are dealing
> with visual only observation as I don't want to think about computerized
> scopes in this question. I haven't ruled them out, but want to know about
> the visual comparisons.
> >
> > To make investment in a larger scope worthwhile for a noticeable
increase
> in faint object visual observation, what would be the minimum recommended
> increase in aperture? In particular, I have an 8" scope and I am assuming
> that if the day comes when my college bound kids don't get most of my
> money, I should go up to at least a 12" scope. Would that be a correct
> assessment?
> >
> > Also, strictly from a visual observational point, would there be any
> significant advantage of one type of scope versus another? Ignoring cost
> and equatorial/computerized stuff, what would be the visual observation
> tradeoffs of upgrading to a Schimdt-Cassegrain versus a Dobsonian versus a
> Newtonian reflector versus a Schmitdt-Newtonian?
> >
> > Don't worry about me screwing up the viewing conditions with a new toy
> purchase in the near future, but I figure dreaming shouldn't mess up the
> weather too badly.
> >
> > Rick Henderson
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
>  
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
>  
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

"Some more dedicated observers use medical oxygen I hear."

Hmmmmmmmm... Could this be another tool to use?






-----Original Message-----
From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of George
Allen
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 2:32 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation

Rick,

If you are going for a visual scope I think you can rule out any SCT because
of that 25% secondary, leaving Newtonian or more exotic Cassegrains.

Let's mention a couple other things you shall never see in a slick paper
magazine ad.  Your health and age is a big factor.  It is worthwhile to
learn what your maximum eye pupil size is before buying EP's.  We talk about
7mm as the common size, but a kid can make 9mm, while an old fart like me
can barely hit 5mm. 

If you smoke, have heart disease, diabetes, do any vasoconstrictor drugs
(legal or otherwise), drink before observing or have any condition that
restricts breathing, your ability to see what the scope delivers is
diminished, in some cases, greatly.  When I got diabetes I figure I lost a
magnitude of seeing, and what dark adaption remains, now takes over twice as
long to acquire.  Your eye needs a good supply of oxygen to work at it's
peak.  Some more dedicated observers use medical oxygen I hear.

I recall you are no longer a kid, so in a few years you will wonder how you
lifted some of the things you now consider lightweight.  Sometime during my
50's all the stuff I own got a lot heavier.  Strange how that happened. 
And I got a lot heavier, too.  The result is that while I once would drag my
C14 out and set it up alone,  I must now have a helper.  So if you should
buy a rig that you can barely handle now, it is only a short time before you
might need a partner.  At any rate, there is no question that the times a
scope will be put to use is inversely proportionate to it's cumbersome
factor.  

Your eye pupil size can be measured with a camera.  We once did that as a
club fun thing.  Made slides of eyeballs with a mm stick in the picture,
after sitting in the dark 15 minutes.  Are those slides still around???

Geo.



> [Original Message]
> From: Dick Harshaw <dwharshaw@...>
> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: 1/2/2007 1:12:42 PM
> Subject: RE: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation
>
> Thanks, George, for adding the secondary obstruction point to the 
> discussion.  I overlooked that in my first post to Rick.
>
>  
>
> Dick H
>
>  
>
>  
>
>   _____
>
> From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
George
> Allen
> Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 11:14 AM
> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation
>
>  
>
> Rick,
>
> There is a lot more than diameter of the system. For instance, a 6"
> refractor will demolish an 8" SCT of the same quality, due to the huge 
> central obstruction of the latter.
>
> In any Newtonian, as the F ratio is higher, the allowable size of the 
> visual diagonal is reduced, thereby increasing contrast and reducing 
> diffraction. A low focuser will add to this effect by allowing the
diagonal
> to be placed closer to the focuser, consequently smaller.
>
> In a refractor or long Newtonian, the open end of the tube is further 
> from the observer's body heat, decreasing perturbation of the incoming 
> light shaft.
>
> Your decision to go visual allows you to use a much smaller secondary 
> and illuminate only a point. This means a lot in planetary and double 
> star work. Since commercial scopes usually go for "all purpose" they 
> use an imaging or compromise diagonal size.
>
> There is a lot to consider when going for that perfect scope. But size 
> matters, too. ;-))
>
> Geo. 
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Rick Henderson <rhenderson1@ <mailto:rhenderson1%40kc.rr.com>
> kc.rr.com>
> > To: <ASKC@yahoogroups. <mailto:ASKC%40yahoogroups.com> com>
> > Date: 1/1/2007 9:51:56 PM
> > Subject: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation
> >
> > The mirrors discussion thread, got me thinking about my own 
> > (someday)
> telescope upgrade. I would like input from the ASKC visual observers 
> about general advice on upgrading to a larger scope. My questions are 
> dealing with visual only observation as I don't want to think about 
> computerized scopes in this question. I haven't ruled them out, but 
> want to know about the visual comparisons.
> >
> > To make investment in a larger scope worthwhile for a noticeable
increase
> in faint object visual observation, what would be the minimum 
> recommended increase in aperture? In particular, I have an 8" scope 
> and I am assuming that if the day comes when my college bound kids 
> don't get most of my money, I should go up to at least a 12" scope. 
> Would that be a correct assessment?
> >
> > Also, strictly from a visual observational point, would there be any
> significant advantage of one type of scope versus another? Ignoring 
> cost and equatorial/computerized stuff, what would be the visual 
> observation tradeoffs of upgrading to a Schimdt-Cassegrain versus a 
> Dobsonian versus a Newtonian reflector versus a Schmitdt-Newtonian?
> >
> > Don't worry about me screwing up the viewing conditions with a new 
> > toy
> purchase in the near future, but I figure dreaming shouldn't mess up 
> the weather too badly.
> >
> > Rick Henderson
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
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Hi George and Tom,

You guys are a wealth of information and insight.  The aspect of weight and age (ugh) also definitely figure into all of this.  I have averaged one new telescope per every 10 years since I got my first scope in the 80s, so whatever I buy next, I hope to be able to use for at least the next ten years.

In "light" (nyuck, nyuck) of what Tom said about trying out the scopes, it sounds like a good next step would be to re-read everything you guys have written and then go to a star party and ask to look through everybody's different scopes.

I'm also amazed at the knowledge and willingness to share in this club.  Makes me want to kick myself for not joining earlier.

Thanks again, everyone for the help and info.

Rick Henderson


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: George Allen 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 2:32 PM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation


  Rick,

  If you are going for a visual scope I think you can rule out any SCT
  because of that 25% secondary, leaving Newtonian or more exotic Cassegrains.

  Let's mention a couple other things you shall never see in a slick paper
  magazine ad. Your health and age is a big factor. It is worthwhile to
  learn what your maximum eye pupil size is before buying EP's. We talk
  about 7mm as the common size, but a kid can make 9mm, while an old fart
  like me can barely hit 5mm. 

  If you smoke, have heart disease, diabetes, do any vasoconstrictor drugs
  (legal or otherwise), drink before observing or have any condition that
  restricts breathing, your ability to see what the scope delivers is
  diminished, in some cases, greatly. When I got diabetes I figure I lost a
  magnitude of seeing, and what dark adaption remains, now takes over twice
  as long to acquire. Your eye needs a good supply of oxygen to work at it's
  peak. Some more dedicated observers use medical oxygen I hear.

  I recall you are no longer a kid, so in a few years you will wonder how you
  lifted some of the things you now consider lightweight. Sometime during my
  50's all the stuff I own got a lot heavier. Strange how that happened. 
  And I got a lot heavier, too. The result is that while I once would drag
  my C14 out and set it up alone, I must now have a helper. So if you
  should buy a rig that you can barely handle now, it is only a short time
  before you might need a partner. At any rate, there is no question that
  the times a scope will be put to use is inversely proportionate to it's
  cumbersome factor. 

  Your eye pupil size can be measured with a camera. We once did that as a
  club fun thing. Made slides of eyeballs with a mm stick in the picture,
  after sitting in the dark 15 minutes. Are those slides still around???

  Geo.

  > [Original Message]
  > From: Dick Harshaw <dwharshaw@...>
  > To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
  > Date: 1/2/2007 1:12:42 PM
  > Subject: RE: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation
  >
  > Thanks, George, for adding the secondary obstruction point to the
  > discussion. I overlooked that in my first post to Rick.
  >
  > 
  >
  > Dick H
  >
  > 
  >
  > 
  >
  > _____ 
  >
  > From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
  George
  > Allen
  > Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 11:14 AM
  > To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  > Subject: RE: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation
  >
  > 
  >
  > Rick, 
  >
  > There is a lot more than diameter of the system. For instance, a 6"
  > refractor will demolish an 8" SCT of the same quality, due to the huge
  > central obstruction of the latter. 
  >
  > In any Newtonian, as the F ratio is higher, the allowable size of the
  > visual diagonal is reduced, thereby increasing contrast and reducing
  > diffraction. A low focuser will add to this effect by allowing the
  diagonal
  > to be placed closer to the focuser, consequently smaller.
  >
  > In a refractor or long Newtonian, the open end of the tube is further from
  > the observer's body heat, decreasing perturbation of the incoming light
  > shaft.
  >
  > Your decision to go visual allows you to use a much smaller secondary and
  > illuminate only a point. This means a lot in planetary and double star
  > work. Since commercial scopes usually go for "all purpose" they use an
  > imaging or compromise diagonal size. 
  >
  > There is a lot to consider when going for that perfect scope. But size
  > matters, too. ;-))
  >
  > Geo. 
  >
  > > [Original Message]
  > > From: Rick Henderson <rhenderson1@ <mailto:rhenderson1%40kc.rr.com>
  > kc.rr.com>
  > > To: <ASKC@yahoogroups. <mailto:ASKC%40yahoogroups.com> com>
  > > Date: 1/1/2007 9:51:56 PM
  > > Subject: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation
  > >
  > > The mirrors discussion thread, got me thinking about my own (someday)
  > telescope upgrade. I would like input from the ASKC visual observers about
  > general advice on upgrading to a larger scope. My questions are dealing
  > with visual only observation as I don't want to think about computerized
  > scopes in this question. I haven't ruled them out, but want to know about
  > the visual comparisons.
  > >
  > > To make investment in a larger scope worthwhile for a noticeable
  increase
  > in faint object visual observation, what would be the minimum recommended
  > increase in aperture? In particular, I have an 8" scope and I am assuming
  > that if the day comes when my college bound kids don't get most of my
  > money, I should go up to at least a 12" scope. Would that be a correct
  > assessment?
  > >
  > > Also, strictly from a visual observational point, would there be any
  > significant advantage of one type of scope versus another? Ignoring cost
  > and equatorial/computerized stuff, what would be the visual observation
  > tradeoffs of upgrading to a Schimdt-Cassegrain versus a Dobsonian versus a
  > Newtonian reflector versus a Schmitdt-Newtonian?
  > >
  > > Don't worry about me screwing up the viewing conditions with a new toy
  > purchase in the near future, but I figure dreaming shouldn't mess up the
  > weather too badly.
  > >
  > > Rick Henderson
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > > 
  > > Yahoo! Groups Links
  > >
  > >
  > >
  >
  > 
  >
  >
  >
  > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > 
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  >
  >
  >



   

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I don't know what the side effects of using pure oxygen would be for an
otherwise healthy person.  There are O2 bars in the more enlightened parts
of the nation and it doesn't seem to hurt them.  I've been told it lessons
a hangover real fast.  For economy sake you can buy welding oxygen for much
less than medical stuff and I can't see what the difference is except
price.  Cannula can be bought at any medical supply house.  The only other
thing you would need is a regulator and maybe a flow meter, both from a
welding store.  Be advised O2 bottles come with 3000 psi and liquid oxygen
inside. If you decide to try this, contact me or any welder offline re
handling of O2 bottles.  They can be deadly.

You will need to reduce this to around 2 psi by the use of a 2-stage
regulator, found on any good welding rig.  Maybe David Y. has a couple
laying around? 

A rich supply of oxygen would have to 'hyper' your retina.  The first naked
eye recovery of Haley was done with a bottle of oxygen, or so I was told,
from the top of Mauna Kea, where O2 is a good idea anyway.

Any medicos in the group want to comment (under a nom de plume,  of course)?

What we won't do for a dimmer and fuzzier!  BTW, this is not a new idea.

Geo.



> [Original Message]
> From: Dave Fox <sm20@...>
> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: 1/2/2007 3:37:08 PM
> Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] RE: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation
>
>
>
> "Some more dedicated observers use medical oxygen I hear."
>
> Hmmmmmmmm... Could this be another tool to use?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
George
> Allen
> Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 2:32 PM
> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation
>
> Rick,
>
> If you are going for a visual scope I think you can rule out any SCT
because
> of that 25% secondary, leaving Newtonian or more exotic Cassegrains.
>
> Let's mention a couple other things you shall never see in a slick paper
> magazine ad.  Your health and age is a big factor.  It is worthwhile to
> learn what your maximum eye pupil size is before buying EP's.  We talk
about
> 7mm as the common size, but a kid can make 9mm, while an old fart like me
> can barely hit 5mm. 
>
> If you smoke, have heart disease, diabetes, do any vasoconstrictor drugs
> (legal or otherwise), drink before observing or have any condition that
> restricts breathing, your ability to see what the scope delivers is
> diminished, in some cases, greatly.  When I got diabetes I figure I lost a
> magnitude of seeing, and what dark adaption remains, now takes over twice
as
> long to acquire.  Your eye needs a good supply of oxygen to work at it's
> peak.  Some more dedicated observers use medical oxygen I hear.
>
> I recall you are no longer a kid, so in a few years you will wonder how
you
> lifted some of the things you now consider lightweight.  Sometime during
my
> 50's all the stuff I own got a lot heavier.  Strange how that happened. 
> And I got a lot heavier, too.  The result is that while I once would drag
my
> C14 out and set it up alone,  I must now have a helper.  So if you should
> buy a rig that you can barely handle now, it is only a short time before
you
> might need a partner.  At any rate, there is no question that the times a
> scope will be put to use is inversely proportionate to it's cumbersome
> factor.  
>
> Your eye pupil size can be measured with a camera.  We once did that as a
> club fun thing.  Made slides of eyeballs with a mm stick in the picture,
> after sitting in the dark 15 minutes.  Are those slides still around???
>
> Geo.
>
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Dick Harshaw <dwharshaw@...>
> > To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: 1/2/2007 1:12:42 PM
> > Subject: RE: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation
> >
> > Thanks, George, for adding the secondary obstruction point to the 
> > discussion.  I overlooked that in my first post to Rick.
> >
> >  
> >
> > Dick H
> >
> >  
> >
> >  
> >
> >   _____
> >
> > From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> George
> > Allen
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 11:14 AM
> > To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation
> >
> >  
> >
> > Rick,
> >
> > There is a lot more than diameter of the system. For instance, a 6"
> > refractor will demolish an 8" SCT of the same quality, due to the huge 
> > central obstruction of the latter.
> >
> > In any Newtonian, as the F ratio is higher, the allowable size of the 
> > visual diagonal is reduced, thereby increasing contrast and reducing 
> > diffraction. A low focuser will add to this effect by allowing the
> diagonal
> > to be placed closer to the focuser, consequently smaller.
> >
> > In a refractor or long Newtonian, the open end of the tube is further 
> > from the observer's body heat, decreasing perturbation of the incoming 
> > light shaft.
> >
> > Your decision to go visual allows you to use a much smaller secondary 
> > and illuminate only a point. This means a lot in planetary and double 
> > star work. Since commercial scopes usually go for "all purpose" they 
> > use an imaging or compromise diagonal size.
> >
> > There is a lot to consider when going for that perfect scope. But size 
> > matters, too. ;-))
> >
> > Geo. 
> >
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: Rick Henderson <rhenderson1@ <mailto:rhenderson1%40kc.rr.com>
> > kc.rr.com>
> > > To: <ASKC@yahoogroups. <mailto:ASKC%40yahoogroups.com> com>
> > > Date: 1/1/2007 9:51:56 PM
> > > Subject: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation
> > >
> > > The mirrors discussion thread, got me thinking about my own 
> > > (someday)
> > telescope upgrade. I would like input from the ASKC visual observers 
> > about general advice on upgrading to a larger scope. My questions are 
> > dealing with visual only observation as I don't want to think about 
> > computerized scopes in this question. I haven't ruled them out, but 
> > want to know about the visual comparisons.
> > >
> > > To make investment in a larger scope worthwhile for a noticeable
> increase
> > in faint object visual observation, what would be the minimum 
> > recommended increase in aperture? In particular, I have an 8" scope 
> > and I am assuming that if the day comes when my college bound kids 
> > don't get most of my money, I should go up to at least a 12" scope. 
> > Would that be a correct assessment?
> > >
> > > Also, strictly from a visual observational point, would there be any
> > significant advantage of one type of scope versus another? Ignoring 
> > cost and equatorial/computerized stuff, what would be the visual 
> > observation tradeoffs of upgrading to a Schimdt-Cassegrain versus a 
> > Dobsonian versus a Newtonian reflector versus a Schmitdt-Newtonian?
> > >
> > > Don't worry about me screwing up the viewing conditions with a new 
> > > toy
> > purchase in the near future, but I figure dreaming shouldn't mess up 
> > the weather too badly.
> > >
> > > Rick Henderson
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > > 
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Rick, since the PC JoDee bought from you at the party already had SKY installed, she started to play around with it, as well as GUIDE which we had installed in our PC.  Turns out they will both easily do what she wants, and she says she feels like mastering SKY will be the easier task.   We downloaded the manual and printed it out, as well as found it on the directory.  

Now is the time for anyone who feels compelled to do so to mention why this is or is not a good idea, before the effort is spent to digest a useable command of the program.  Neither looks to be as simple as using a book, planisphere and set of charts, but both programs contain a whale of a lot more data than any book.

Geo.

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Actually the O2 is a compressed gas. The acetylene is a liquid that
evaporates as you use it. The O2 is usually around 2500 psi in a new bottle.
A broken tank valve will fire an O2 bottle through a wall with ease. Welding
O2 is not as pure as medical O2 and would at the very least require some
serious filtering. Keep in mind that O2  GREATLY accelerates combustion.
Remember the Apollo fire on the pad that killed 3 guys. Pure O2 is not to be
trifled with.

If you are serious about wanting to play, I have a couple of old regulators
that I could leave outside the door to promote mysterious disappearence.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "George Allen" <geonjod@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 4:05 PM
Subject: RE: RE: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation


> I don't know what the side effects of using pure oxygen would be for an
> otherwise healthy person.  There are O2 bars in the more enlightened parts
> of the nation and it doesn't seem to hurt them.  I've been told it lessons
> a hangover real fast.  For economy sake you can buy welding oxygen for
much
> less than medical stuff and I can't see what the difference is except
> price.  Cannula can be bought at any medical supply house.  The only other
> thing you would need is a regulator and maybe a flow meter, both from a
> welding store.  Be advised O2 bottles come with 3000 psi and liquid oxygen
> inside. If you decide to try this, contact me or any welder offline re
> handling of O2 bottles.  They can be deadly.
>
> You will need to reduce this to around 2 psi by the use of a 2-stage
> regulator, found on any good welding rig.  Maybe David Y. has a couple
> laying around?
>
> A rich supply of oxygen would have to 'hyper' your retina.  The first
naked
> eye recovery of Haley was done with a bottle of oxygen, or so I was told,
> from the top of Mauna Kea, where O2 is a good idea anyway.
>
> Any medicos in the group want to comment (under a nom de plume,  of
course)?
>
> What we won't do for a dimmer and fuzzier!  BTW, this is not a new idea.
>
> Geo.
>
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Dave Fox <sm20@...>
> > To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: 1/2/2007 3:37:08 PM
> > Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] RE: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual
Observation
> >
> >
> >
> > "Some more dedicated observers use medical oxygen I hear."
> >
> > Hmmmmmmmm... Could this be another tool to use?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> George
> > Allen
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 2:32 PM
> > To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation
> >
> > Rick,
> >
> > If you are going for a visual scope I think you can rule out any SCT
> because
> > of that 25% secondary, leaving Newtonian or more exotic Cassegrains.
> >
> > Let's mention a couple other things you shall never see in a slick paper
> > magazine ad.  Your health and age is a big factor.  It is worthwhile to
> > learn what your maximum eye pupil size is before buying EP's.  We talk
> about
> > 7mm as the common size, but a kid can make 9mm, while an old fart like
me
> > can barely hit 5mm.
> >
> > If you smoke, have heart disease, diabetes, do any vasoconstrictor drugs
> > (legal or otherwise), drink before observing or have any condition that
> > restricts breathing, your ability to see what the scope delivers is
> > diminished, in some cases, greatly.  When I got diabetes I figure I lost
a
> > magnitude of seeing, and what dark adaption remains, now takes over
twice
> as
> > long to acquire.  Your eye needs a good supply of oxygen to work at it's
> > peak.  Some more dedicated observers use medical oxygen I hear.
> >
> > I recall you are no longer a kid, so in a few years you will wonder how
> you
> > lifted some of the things you now consider lightweight.  Sometime during
> my
> > 50's all the stuff I own got a lot heavier.  Strange how that happened.
> > And I got a lot heavier, too.  The result is that while I once would
drag
> my
> > C14 out and set it up alone,  I must now have a helper.  So if you
should
> > buy a rig that you can barely handle now, it is only a short time before
> you
> > might need a partner.  At any rate, there is no question that the times
a
> > scope will be put to use is inversely proportionate to it's cumbersome
> > factor.
> >
> > Your eye pupil size can be measured with a camera.  We once did that as
a
> > club fun thing.  Made slides of eyeballs with a mm stick in the picture,
> > after sitting in the dark 15 minutes.  Are those slides still around???
> >
> > Geo.
> >
> >
> >
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: Dick Harshaw <dwharshaw@...>
> > > To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Date: 1/2/2007 1:12:42 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation
> > >
> > > Thanks, George, for adding the secondary obstruction point to the
> > > discussion.  I overlooked that in my first post to Rick.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dick H
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >   _____
> > >
> > > From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> > George
> > > Allen
> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 11:14 AM
> > > To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: RE: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Rick,
> > >
> > > There is a lot more than diameter of the system. For instance, a 6"
> > > refractor will demolish an 8" SCT of the same quality, due to the huge
> > > central obstruction of the latter.
> > >
> > > In any Newtonian, as the F ratio is higher, the allowable size of the
> > > visual diagonal is reduced, thereby increasing contrast and reducing
> > > diffraction. A low focuser will add to this effect by allowing the
> > diagonal
> > > to be placed closer to the focuser, consequently smaller.
> > >
> > > In a refractor or long Newtonian, the open end of the tube is further
> > > from the observer's body heat, decreasing perturbation of the incoming
> > > light shaft.
> > >
> > > Your decision to go visual allows you to use a much smaller secondary
> > > and illuminate only a point. This means a lot in planetary and double
> > > star work. Since commercial scopes usually go for "all purpose" they
> > > use an imaging or compromise diagonal size.
> > >
> > > There is a lot to consider when going for that perfect scope. But size
> > > matters, too. ;-))
> > >
> > > Geo.
> > >
> > > > [Original Message]
> > > > From: Rick Henderson <rhenderson1@ <mailto:rhenderson1%40kc.rr.com>
> > > kc.rr.com>
> > > > To: <ASKC@yahoogroups. <mailto:ASKC%40yahoogroups.com> com>
> > > > Date: 1/1/2007 9:51:56 PM
> > > > Subject: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation
> > > >
> > > > The mirrors discussion thread, got me thinking about my own
> > > > (someday)
> > > telescope upgrade. I would like input from the ASKC visual observers
> > > about general advice on upgrading to a larger scope. My questions are
> > > dealing with visual only observation as I don't want to think about
> > > computerized scopes in this question. I haven't ruled them out, but
> > > want to know about the visual comparisons.
> > > >
> > > > To make investment in a larger scope worthwhile for a noticeable
> > increase
> > > in faint object visual observation, what would be the minimum
> > > recommended increase in aperture? In particular, I have an 8" scope
> > > and I am assuming that if the day comes when my college bound kids
> > > don't get most of my money, I should go up to at least a 12" scope.
> > > Would that be a correct assessment?
> > > >
> > > > Also, strictly from a visual observational point, would there be any
> > > significant advantage of one type of scope versus another? Ignoring
> > > cost and equatorial/computerized stuff, what would be the visual
> > > observation tradeoffs of upgrading to a Schimdt-Cassegrain versus a
> > > Dobsonian versus a Newtonian reflector versus a Schmitdt-Newtonian?
> > > >
> > > > Don't worry about me screwing up the viewing conditions with a new
> > > > toy
> > > purchase in the near future, but I figure dreaming shouldn't mess up
> > > the weather too badly.
> > > >
> > > > Rick Henderson
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Nice to offer, Might be something to play with in the summer.  I'll get back
to you on it.

Dave


-----Original Message-----
From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David
Young
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 4:47 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: RE: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation

Actually the O2 is a compressed gas. The acetylene is a liquid that
evaporates as you use it. The O2 is usually around 2500 psi in a new bottle.
A broken tank valve will fire an O2 bottle through a wall with ease. Welding
O2 is not as pure as medical O2 and would at the very least require some
serious filtering. Keep in mind that O2  GREATLY accelerates combustion.
Remember the Apollo fire on the pad that killed 3 guys. Pure O2 is not to be
trifled with.

If you are serious about wanting to play, I have a couple of old regulators
that I could leave outside the door to promote mysterious disappearence.

----- Original Message -----
From: "George Allen" <geonjod@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 4:05 PM
Subject: RE: RE: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation


> I don't know what the side effects of using pure oxygen would be for an
> otherwise healthy person.  There are O2 bars in the more enlightened parts
> of the nation and it doesn't seem to hurt them.  I've been told it lessons
> a hangover real fast.  For economy sake you can buy welding oxygen for
much
> less than medical stuff and I can't see what the difference is except
> price.  Cannula can be bought at any medical supply house.  The only other
> thing you would need is a regulator and maybe a flow meter, both from a
> welding store.  Be advised O2 bottles come with 3000 psi and liquid oxygen
> inside. If you decide to try this, contact me or any welder offline re
> handling of O2 bottles.  They can be deadly.
>
> You will need to reduce this to around 2 psi by the use of a 2-stage
> regulator, found on any good welding rig.  Maybe David Y. has a couple
> laying around?
>
> A rich supply of oxygen would have to 'hyper' your retina.  The first
naked
> eye recovery of Haley was done with a bottle of oxygen, or so I was told,
> from the top of Mauna Kea, where O2 is a good idea anyway.
>
> Any medicos in the group want to comment (under a nom de plume,  of
course)?
>
> What we won't do for a dimmer and fuzzier!  BTW, this is not a new idea.
>
> Geo.
>
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Dave Fox <sm20@...>
> > To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: 1/2/2007 3:37:08 PM
> > Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] RE: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual
Observation
> >
> >
> >
> > "Some more dedicated observers use medical oxygen I hear."
> >
> > Hmmmmmmmm... Could this be another tool to use?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> George
> > Allen
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 2:32 PM
> > To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation
> >
> > Rick,
> >
> > If you are going for a visual scope I think you can rule out any SCT
> because
> > of that 25% secondary, leaving Newtonian or more exotic Cassegrains.
> >
> > Let's mention a couple other things you shall never see in a slick paper
> > magazine ad.  Your health and age is a big factor.  It is worthwhile to
> > learn what your maximum eye pupil size is before buying EP's.  We talk
> about
> > 7mm as the common size, but a kid can make 9mm, while an old fart like
me
> > can barely hit 5mm.
> >
> > If you smoke, have heart disease, diabetes, do any vasoconstrictor drugs
> > (legal or otherwise), drink before observing or have any condition that
> > restricts breathing, your ability to see what the scope delivers is
> > diminished, in some cases, greatly.  When I got diabetes I figure I lost
a
> > magnitude of seeing, and what dark adaption remains, now takes over
twice
> as
> > long to acquire.  Your eye needs a good supply of oxygen to work at it's
> > peak.  Some more dedicated observers use medical oxygen I hear.
> >
> > I recall you are no longer a kid, so in a few years you will wonder how
> you
> > lifted some of the things you now consider lightweight.  Sometime during
> my
> > 50's all the stuff I own got a lot heavier.  Strange how that happened.
> > And I got a lot heavier, too.  The result is that while I once would
drag
> my
> > C14 out and set it up alone,  I must now have a helper.  So if you
should
> > buy a rig that you can barely handle now, it is only a short time before
> you
> > might need a partner.  At any rate, there is no question that the times
a
> > scope will be put to use is inversely proportionate to it's cumbersome
> > factor.
> >
> > Your eye pupil size can be measured with a camera.  We once did that as
a
> > club fun thing.  Made slides of eyeballs with a mm stick in the picture,
> > after sitting in the dark 15 minutes.  Are those slides still around???
> >
> > Geo.
> >
> >
> >
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: Dick Harshaw <dwharshaw@...>
> > > To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Date: 1/2/2007 1:12:42 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation
> > >
> > > Thanks, George, for adding the secondary obstruction point to the
> > > discussion.  I overlooked that in my first post to Rick.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dick H
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >   _____
> > >
> > > From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> > George
> > > Allen
> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 11:14 AM
> > > To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: RE: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Rick,
> > >
> > > There is a lot more than diameter of the system. For instance, a 6"
> > > refractor will demolish an 8" SCT of the same quality, due to the huge
> > > central obstruction of the latter.
> > >
> > > In any Newtonian, as the F ratio is higher, the allowable size of the
> > > visual diagonal is reduced, thereby increasing contrast and reducing
> > > diffraction. A low focuser will add to this effect by allowing the
> > diagonal
> > > to be placed closer to the focuser, consequently smaller.
> > >
> > > In a refractor or long Newtonian, the open end of the tube is further
> > > from the observer's body heat, decreasing perturbation of the incoming
> > > light shaft.
> > >
> > > Your decision to go visual allows you to use a much smaller secondary
> > > and illuminate only a point. This means a lot in planetary and double
> > > star work. Since commercial scopes usually go for "all purpose" they
> > > use an imaging or compromise diagonal size.
> > >
> > > There is a lot to consider when going for that perfect scope. But size
> > > matters, too. ;-))
> > >
> > > Geo.
> > >
> > > > [Original Message]
> > > > From: Rick Henderson <rhenderson1@ <mailto:rhenderson1%40kc.rr.com>
> > > kc.rr.com>
> > > > To: <ASKC@yahoogroups. <mailto:ASKC%40yahoogroups.com> com>
> > > > Date: 1/1/2007 9:51:56 PM
> > > > Subject: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation
> > > >
> > > > The mirrors discussion thread, got me thinking about my own
> > > > (someday)
> > > telescope upgrade. I would like input from the ASKC visual observers
> > > about general advice on upgrading to a larger scope. My questions are
> > > dealing with visual only observation as I don't want to think about
> > > computerized scopes in this question. I haven't ruled them out, but
> > > want to know about the visual comparisons.
> > > >
> > > > To make investment in a larger scope worthwhile for a noticeable
> > increase
> > > in faint object visual observation, what would be the minimum
> > > recommended increase in aperture? In particular, I have an 8" scope
> > > and I am assuming that if the day comes when my college bound kids
> > > don't get most of my money, I should go up to at least a 12" scope.
> > > Would that be a correct assessment?
> > > >
> > > > Also, strictly from a visual observational point, would there be any
> > > significant advantage of one type of scope versus another? Ignoring
> > > cost and equatorial/computerized stuff, what would be the visual
> > > observation tradeoffs of upgrading to a Schimdt-Cassegrain versus a
> > > Dobsonian versus a Newtonian reflector versus a Schmitdt-Newtonian?
> > > >
> > > > Don't worry about me screwing up the viewing conditions with a new
> > > > toy
> > > purchase in the near future, but I figure dreaming shouldn't mess up
> > > the weather too badly.
> > > >
> > > > Rick Henderson
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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Dick,

Thanks for the detail formulae and explanations.  Between what you and George have written, it has given me a fair amount of  information to ponder.

A big question I am also trying to answer is whether I want a scope primarily for visual observation, CCD photography or about equal of both.  Any thoughts or suggestions on that question as well?

Also, concerning your ducking and running, the last time I checked, the internet reaches all the way down to Arizona so, to paraphrase somebody out there, you can duck and run, but you can't hide!

Hmmm, I suppose you could put me on your spam filter list though...

Rick Henderson

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Dick Harshaw 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 11:40 AM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation


  Rick,

  I suppose it depends on what you want to observe more than anything else.
  If it is faint galaxies you are seeking, aperture will have to be the major
  factor in your decision process.

  A telescope's magnitude grasp can be estimated using the formula 

  Mf = 6.5 - 5 (log ep dia) + 5 (log Scope dia)

  Where (log ep dia) is the log of the eye's exit pupil. As an example,
  suppose your eye typically dilates to 0.2" diameter under dark adaptation
  and the scope has an objective of six inches. The formula becomes 

  6.5 - 5 (log 0.20) + 5 (log 6.0) = 6.5 + 3.4949 + 3.8908 = ~13.9

  So a six incher could reach down to about 13.9 magnitude. 

  As you know, each step of the magnitude scale is 2.54 times the step below
  it, and the eye wimps out at 6.00 (typical skies, not good dark sky
  conditions). So if you wanted to go to magnitude 16, you'd solve the formula
  for 16 and find that the objective can be determined by rewriting the
  formula to this:

  (Mag Target - 9.9949) / 5 = log Objective

  Substituting 16 for Mag Target gives an objective of about 15.9 inches. 

  To correct for absorption, you would need to add a factor to the magnitude
  target-for 16th magnitude grasp, you'd need to use about 16.5 in the
  formula.

  If you have an 8 inch SCT now, going to an 11 inch would increase your
  surface area about 1.89 times, which means a change in magnitude grasp from
  about 14.5 down to 15.2, or a mere 0.7 magnitude jump. Going to a 14 incher
  takes you to 15.7; 16 inches down to 16.1, and so on.

  A quick survey of the SAC deep sky database shows 8,903 galaxies within
  reach of an 8 incher (of course, some of these are in the southern
  hemisphere); 9,693 available to an 11-inch; 10,072 to a 14 inch; and 10,200
  to a 16 inch. But your actual mileage may vary.

  Combine the light grasp with portability and you'll reach a good decision.
  I opted to move from a C8 to a C11 because of the combination of light grasp
  and portability; the 14 was too much beast to handle and a 16 really
  requires a permanent observatory setup. (Easier with a dob, of course.)
  Also I was more interested in resolution than just light grasp.

  If your goal is to do high resolution observing, like double stars or
  planets, the atmosphere will limit you more than your scope. An 11 inch
  scope gives lots of detail when the skies cooperate (which isn't very often
  around here); on the other hand, most nights a good 12-inch dob will
  outperform the 30 at Powell simply because of the effects of seeing on a
  larger instrument. (But this applies only to seeing detail, not grasping
  light; for light grasp, aperture rules, period.)

  Hope this helps a little. With the Aperture Fever Bug running amok in our
  group now (congrats to Mike and Kathy for new big dob purchases!) and the
  inevitable Murchison's Law (you'll have cloudy nights in direct proportion
  to the cube of the aperture purchased divided by the square of the aperture
  purchased, said ratio being expressed in weeks of lousy seeing), we should
  have crummy skies for most of 2007. 

  Makes me glad I'm moving to Phoenix. (ducking and running now).

  Dick H

  _____ 

  From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick
  Henderson
  Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 8:48 PM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation

  The mirrors discussion thread, got me thinking about my own (someday)
  telescope upgrade. I would like input from the ASKC visual observers about
  general advice on upgrading to a larger scope. My questions are dealing with
  visual only observation as I don't want to think about computerized scopes
  in this question. I haven't ruled them out, but want to know about the
  visual comparisons.

  To make investment in a larger scope worthwhile for a noticeable increase in
  faint object visual observation, what would be the minimum recommended
  increase in aperture? In particular, I have an 8" scope and I am assuming
  that if the day comes when my college bound kids don't get most of my money,
  I should go up to at least a 12" scope. Would that be a correct assessment?

  Also, strictly from a visual observational point, would there be any
  significant advantage of one type of scope versus another? Ignoring cost and
  equatorial/computerized stuff, what would be the visual observation
  tradeoffs of upgrading to a Schimdt-Cassegrain versus a Dobsonian versus a
  Newtonian reflector versus a Schmitdt-Newtonian?

  Don't worry about me screwing up the viewing conditions with a new toy
  purchase in the near future, but I figure dreaming shouldn't mess up the
  weather too badly.

  Rick Henderson

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        The Three guys that got killed were Virgil Grissom, Ed White, and Roger Chaffee. After this incident NASA stopped using pure oxygen in space capsules. One switch sparked and because of the design of the door. It would only open to the inside. The pressure of the burning oxygen sealed the door shut well past the time all three had died.
Randy
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: David Young 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 4:47 PM
  Subject: Re: RE: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation


  Actually the O2 is a compressed gas. The acetylene is a liquid that
  evaporates as you use it. The O2 is usually around 2500 psi in a new bottle.
  A broken tank valve will fire an O2 bottle through a wall with ease. Welding
  O2 is not as pure as medical O2 and would at the very least require some
  serious filtering. Keep in mind that O2 GREATLY accelerates combustion.
  Remember the Apollo fire on the pad that killed 3 guys. Pure O2 is not to be
  trifled with.

  If you are serious about wanting to play, I have a couple of old regulators
  that I could leave outside the door to promote mysterious disappearence.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "George Allen" <geonjod@...>
  To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
  Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 4:05 PM
  Subject: RE: RE: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation

  > I don't know what the side effects of using pure oxygen would be for an
  > otherwise healthy person. There are O2 bars in the more enlightened parts
  > of the nation and it doesn't seem to hurt them. I've been told it lessons
  > a hangover real fast. For economy sake you can buy welding oxygen for
  much
  > less than medical stuff and I can't see what the difference is except
  > price. Cannula can be bought at any medical supply house. The only other
  > thing you would need is a regulator and maybe a flow meter, both from a
  > welding store. Be advised O2 bottles come with 3000 psi and liquid oxygen
  > inside. If you decide to try this, contact me or any welder offline re
  > handling of O2 bottles. They can be deadly.
  >
  > You will need to reduce this to around 2 psi by the use of a 2-stage
  > regulator, found on any good welding rig. Maybe David Y. has a couple
  > laying around?
  >
  > A rich supply of oxygen would have to 'hyper' your retina. The first
  naked
  > eye recovery of Haley was done with a bottle of oxygen, or so I was told,
  > from the top of Mauna Kea, where O2 is a good idea anyway.
  >
  > Any medicos in the group want to comment (under a nom de plume, of
  course)?
  >
  > What we won't do for a dimmer and fuzzier! BTW, this is not a new idea.
  >
  > Geo.
  >
  >
  >
  > > [Original Message]
  > > From: Dave Fox <sm20@...>
  > > To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
  > > Date: 1/2/2007 3:37:08 PM
  > > Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] RE: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual
  Observation
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > > "Some more dedicated observers use medical oxygen I hear."
  > >
  > > Hmmmmmmmm... Could this be another tool to use?
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > > -----Original Message-----
  > > From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
  > George
  > > Allen
  > > Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 2:32 PM
  > > To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  > > Subject: RE: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation
  > >
  > > Rick,
  > >
  > > If you are going for a visual scope I think you can rule out any SCT
  > because
  > > of that 25% secondary, leaving Newtonian or more exotic Cassegrains.
  > >
  > > Let's mention a couple other things you shall never see in a slick paper
  > > magazine ad. Your health and age is a big factor. It is worthwhile to
  > > learn what your maximum eye pupil size is before buying EP's. We talk
  > about
  > > 7mm as the common size, but a kid can make 9mm, while an old fart like
  me
  > > can barely hit 5mm.
  > >
  > > If you smoke, have heart disease, diabetes, do any vasoconstrictor drugs
  > > (legal or otherwise), drink before observing or have any condition that
  > > restricts breathing, your ability to see what the scope delivers is
  > > diminished, in some cases, greatly. When I got diabetes I figure I lost
  a
  > > magnitude of seeing, and what dark adaption remains, now takes over
  twice
  > as
  > > long to acquire. Your eye needs a good supply of oxygen to work at it's
  > > peak. Some more dedicated observers use medical oxygen I hear.
  > >
  > > I recall you are no longer a kid, so in a few years you will wonder how
  > you
  > > lifted some of the things you now consider lightweight. Sometime during
  > my
  > > 50's all the stuff I own got a lot heavier. Strange how that happened.
  > > And I got a lot heavier, too. The result is that while I once would
  drag
  > my
  > > C14 out and set it up alone, I must now have a helper. So if you
  should
  > > buy a rig that you can barely handle now, it is only a short time before
  > you
  > > might need a partner. At any rate, there is no question that the times
  a
  > > scope will be put to use is inversely proportionate to it's cumbersome
  > > factor.
  > >
  > > Your eye pupil size can be measured with a camera. We once did that as
  a
  > > club fun thing. Made slides of eyeballs with a mm stick in the picture,
  > > after sitting in the dark 15 minutes. Are those slides still around???
  > >
  > > Geo.
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > > > [Original Message]
  > > > From: Dick Harshaw <dwharshaw@...>
  > > > To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
  > > > Date: 1/2/2007 1:12:42 PM
  > > > Subject: RE: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation
  > > >
  > > > Thanks, George, for adding the secondary obstruction point to the
  > > > discussion. I overlooked that in my first post to Rick.
  > > >
  > > >
  > > >
  > > > Dick H
  > > >
  > > >
  > > >
  > > >
  > > >
  > > > _____
  > > >
  > > > From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
  > > George
  > > > Allen
  > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 11:14 AM
  > > > To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  > > > Subject: RE: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation
  > > >
  > > >
  > > >
  > > > Rick,
  > > >
  > > > There is a lot more than diameter of the system. For instance, a 6"
  > > > refractor will demolish an 8" SCT of the same quality, due to the huge
  > > > central obstruction of the latter.
  > > >
  > > > In any Newtonian, as the F ratio is higher, the allowable size of the
  > > > visual diagonal is reduced, thereby increasing contrast and reducing
  > > > diffraction. A low focuser will add to this effect by allowing the
  > > diagonal
  > > > to be placed closer to the focuser, consequently smaller.
  > > >
  > > > In a refractor or long Newtonian, the open end of the tube is further
  > > > from the observer's body heat, decreasing perturbation of the incoming
  > > > light shaft.
  > > >
  > > > Your decision to go visual allows you to use a much smaller secondary
  > > > and illuminate only a point. This means a lot in planetary and double
  > > > star work. Since commercial scopes usually go for "all purpose" they
  > > > use an imaging or compromise diagonal size.
  > > >
  > > > There is a lot to consider when going for that perfect scope. But size
  > > > matters, too. ;-))
  > > >
  > > > Geo.
  > > >
  > > > > [Original Message]
  > > > > From: Rick Henderson <rhenderson1@ <mailto:rhenderson1%40kc.rr.com>
  > > > kc.rr.com>
  > > > > To: <ASKC@yahoogroups. <mailto:ASKC%40yahoogroups.com> com>
  > > > > Date: 1/1/2007 9:51:56 PM
  > > > > Subject: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation
  > > > >
  > > > > The mirrors discussion thread, got me thinking about my own
  > > > > (someday)
  > > > telescope upgrade. I would like input from the ASKC visual observers
  > > > about general advice on upgrading to a larger scope. My questions are
  > > > dealing with visual only observation as I don't want to think about
  > > > computerized scopes in this question. I haven't ruled them out, but
  > > > want to know about the visual comparisons.
  > > > >
  > > > > To make investment in a larger scope worthwhile for a noticeable
  > > increase
  > > > in faint object visual observation, what would be the minimum
  > > > recommended increase in aperture? In particular, I have an 8" scope
  > > > and I am assuming that if the day comes when my college bound kids
  > > > don't get most of my money, I should go up to at least a 12" scope.
  > > > Would that be a correct assessment?
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Ah, ha!  You've changed the game plan.  Now you will have to understand the
many effects of changing the F ratio and the size of the secondary.  WOW,
that's a whole book!

The short answer is this;  there is no way to buy a single vehicle that
will do the job of  both a Corvette and a dump truck.  If you want to
cruise for chicks at night and haul rock in the day, you will need two
vehicles.  An SUV will do both, but neither very well.

Geo., M.A.
(master of analogies)



> [Original Message]
> From: Rick Henderson <rhenderson1@...>
> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: 1/2/2007 5:42:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation
>
> A big question I am also trying to answer is whether I want a scope
primarily for visual observation, CCD photography or about equal of both. 
Any thoughts or suggestions on that question as well?
>

Hi Dick,

You mentioned a first post to me on the Aperture Size/Visual thread, but I did not receive it?  Did I miss an email?  

I am very interested in the information that you, George and any other ASKC folks could provide on this topic.  I am going through an astronomical "mid-life" crisis on visual versus photographic observing.

There is a lot of expertise in this club which I trust waaaaaaaaay more than the ads in the magazines or sales staff at a store.  Plus, I enjoy hearing what you folks have already discovered or experimented with.

Rick Henderson

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Dick Harshaw 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 11:41 AM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation


  Thanks, George, for adding the secondary obstruction point to the
  discussion. I overlooked that in my first post to Rick.

  Dick H

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  From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of George
  Allen
  Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 11:14 AM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation

  Rick, 

  There is a lot more than diameter of the system. For instance, a 6"
  refractor will demolish an 8" SCT of the same quality, due to the huge
  central obstruction of the latter. 

  In any Newtonian, as the F ratio is higher, the allowable size of the
  visual diagonal is reduced, thereby increasing contrast and reducing
  diffraction. A low focuser will add to this effect by allowing the diagonal
  to be placed closer to the focuser, consequently smaller.

  In a refractor or long Newtonian, the open end of the tube is further from
  the observer's body heat, decreasing perturbation of the incoming light
  shaft.

  Your decision to go visual allows you to use a much smaller secondary and
  illuminate only a point. This means a lot in planetary and double star
  work. Since commercial scopes usually go for "all purpose" they use an
  imaging or compromise diagonal size. 

  There is a lot to consider when going for that perfect scope. But size
  matters, too. ;-))

  Geo. 

  > [Original Message]
  > From: Rick Henderson <rhenderson1@ <mailto:rhenderson1%40kc.rr.com>
  kc.rr.com>
  > To: <ASKC@yahoogroups. <mailto:ASKC%40yahoogroups.com> com>
  > Date: 1/1/2007 9:51:56 PM
  > Subject: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation
  >
  > The mirrors discussion thread, got me thinking about my own (someday)
  telescope upgrade. I would like input from the ASKC visual observers about
  general advice on upgrading to a larger scope. My questions are dealing
  with visual only observation as I don't want to think about computerized
  scopes in this question. I haven't ruled them out, but want to know about
  the visual comparisons.
  >
  > To make investment in a larger scope worthwhile for a noticeable increase
  in faint object visual observation, what would be the minimum recommended
  increase in aperture? In particular, I have an 8" scope and I am assuming
  that if the day comes when my college bound kids don't get most of my
  money, I should go up to at least a 12" scope. Would that be a correct
  assessment?
  >
  > Also, strictly from a visual observational point, would there be any
  significant advantage of one type of scope versus another? Ignoring cost
  and equatorial/computerized stuff, what would be the visual observation
  tradeoffs of upgrading to a Schimdt-Cassegrain versus a Dobsonian versus a
  Newtonian reflector versus a Schmitdt-Newtonian?
  >
  > Don't worry about me screwing up the viewing conditions with a new toy
  purchase in the near future, but I figure dreaming shouldn't mess up the
  weather too badly.
  >
  > Rick Henderson
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Get two of them!  :>)




-------------- Original message from "George Allen" <geonjod@...>: -------------- 


> 
> Ah, ha! You've changed the game plan. Now you will have to understand the 
> many effects of changing the F ratio and the size of the secondary. WOW, 
> that's a whole book! 
> 
> The short answer is this; there is no way to buy a single vehicle that 
> will do the job of both a Corvette and a dump truck. If you want to 
> cruise for chicks at night and haul rock in the day, you will need two 
> vehicles. An SUV will do both, but neither very well. 
> 
> Geo., M.A. 
> (master of analogies) 
> 
> 
> 
> > [Original Message] 
> > From: Rick Henderson 
> > To: 
> > Date: 1/2/2007 5:42:54 PM 
> > Subject: Re: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation 
> > 
> > A big question I am also trying to answer is whether I want a scope 
> primarily for visual observation, CCD photography or about equal of both. 
> Any thoughts or suggestions on that question as well? 
> > 
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Rick, I do just visual observing.  I have never gotten the shutter bug for
astronomy, and admire those who are good at it (like Tom Martinez).  So I
don't know what to tell you about CCD work or even digital photography
(except that both will require a good polar-aligned mount and guiding
system).  I do know that CCDs tend to have pretty small chips and so image
small pieces of sky.

 

Dick

 

PS:  As for running and hiding, I meant that as an aside at the KC weather.
Phoenix enjoys about 300 nights a year of clear (or mostly clear) skies, and
my observing buddies out there (the Saguaro Astronomy Club) have taken me to
some of their dark sky sites (all BLM land, free to public use) where the
naked eye skies reach 7th magnitude, and M33 was naked eye!

 

 

 

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From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Henderson
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 2:02 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation

 

Dick,

Thanks for the detail formulae and explanations. Between what you and George
have written, it has given me a fair amount of information to ponder.

A big question I am also trying to answer is whether I want a scope
primarily for visual observation, CCD photography or about equal of both.
Any thoughts or suggestions on that question as well?

Also, concerning your ducking and running, the last time I checked, the
internet reaches all the way down to Arizona so, to paraphrase somebody out
there, you can duck and run, but you can't hide!

Hmmm, I suppose you could put me on your spam filter list though...

Rick Henderson

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Dick Harshaw 
To: ASKC@yahoogroups. <mailto:ASKC%40yahoogroups.com> com 
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 11:40 AM
Subject: RE: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation

Rick,

I suppose it depends on what you want to observe more than anything else.
If it is faint galaxies you are seeking, aperture will have to be the major
factor in your decision process.

A telescope's magnitude grasp can be estimated using the formula 

Mf = 6.5 - 5 (log ep dia) + 5 (log Scope dia)

Where (log ep dia) is the log of the eye's exit pupil. As an example,
suppose your eye typically dilates to 0.2" diameter under dark adaptation
and the scope has an objective of six inches. The formula becomes 

6.5 - 5 (log 0.20) + 5 (log 6.0) = 6.5 + 3.4949 + 3.8908 = ~13.9

So a six incher could reach down to about 13.9 magnitude. 

As you know, each step of the magnitude scale is 2.54 times the step below
it, and the eye wimps out at 6.00 (typical skies, not good dark sky
conditions). So if you wanted to go to magnitude 16, you'd solve the formula
for 16 and find that the objective can be determined by rewriting the
formula to this:

(Mag Target - 9.9949) / 5 = log Objective

Substituting 16 for Mag Target gives an objective of about 15.9 inches. 

To correct for absorption, you would need to add a factor to the magnitude
target-for 16th magnitude grasp, you'd need to use about 16.5 in the
formula.

If you have an 8 inch SCT now, going to an 11 inch would increase your
surface area about 1.89 times, which means a change in magnitude grasp from
about 14.5 down to 15.2, or a mere 0.7 magnitude jump. Going to a 14 incher
takes you to 15.7; 16 inches down to 16.1, and so on.

A quick survey of the SAC deep sky database shows 8,903 galaxies within
reach of an 8 incher (of course, some of these are in the southern
hemisphere); 9,693 available to an 11-inch; 10,072 to a 14 inch; and 10,200
to a 16 inch. But your actual mileage may vary.

Combine the light grasp with portability and you'll reach a good decision.
I opted to move from a C8 to a C11 because of the combination of light grasp
and portability; the 14 was too much beast to handle and a 16 really
requires a permanent observatory setup. (Easier with a dob, of course.)
Also I was more interested in resolution than just light grasp.

If your goal is to do high resolution observing, like double stars or
planets, the atmosphere will limit you more than your scope. An 11 inch
scope gives lots of detail when the skies cooperate (which isn't very often
around here); on the other hand, most nights a good 12-inch dob will
outperform the 30 at Powell simply because of the effects of seeing on a
larger instrument. (But this applies only to seeing detail, not grasping
light; for light grasp, aperture rules, period.)

Hope this helps a little. With the Aperture Fever Bug running amok in our
group now (congrats to Mike and Kathy for new big dob purchases!) and the
inevitable Murchison's Law (you'll have cloudy nights in direct proportion
to the cube of the aperture purchased divided by the square of the aperture
purchased, said ratio being expressed in weeks of lousy seeing), we should
have crummy skies for most of 2007. 

Makes me glad I'm moving to Phoenix. (ducking and running now).

Dick H

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From: ASKC@yahoogroups. <mailto:ASKC%40yahoogroups.com> com
[mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups. <mailto:ASKC%40yahoogroups.com> com] On Behalf Of
Rick
Henderson
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 8:48 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups. <mailto:ASKC%40yahoogroups.com> com
Subject: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation

The mirrors discussion thread, got me thinking about my own (someday)
telescope upgrade. I would like input from the ASKC visual observers about
general advice on upgrading to a larger scope. My questions are dealing with
visual only observation as I don't want to think about computerized scopes
in this question. I haven't ruled them out, but want to know about the
visual comparisons.

To make investment in a larger scope worthwhile for a noticeable increase in
faint object visual observation, what would be the minimum recommended
increase in aperture? In particular, I have an 8" scope and I am assuming
that if the day comes when my college bound kids don't get most of my money,
I should go up to at least a 12" scope. Would that be a correct assessment?

Also, strictly from a visual observational point, would there be any
significant advantage of one type of scope versus another? Ignoring cost and
equatorial/computerized stuff, what would be the visual observation
tradeoffs of upgrading to a Schimdt-Cassegrain versus a Dobsonian versus a
Newtonian reflector versus a Schmitdt-Newtonian?

Don't worry about me screwing up the viewing conditions with a new toy
purchase in the near future, but I figure dreaming shouldn't mess up the
weather too badly.

Rick Henderson

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I've been using TheSky for 10 years and feel very comfortable with it,
although the new version has some real quirks regarding screen and display
options.  But other folks are more comfortable with Guide, or Megastar.
It's what you get used to, I suppose.  

 

I found that TheSky was easy to link to the digitized sky survey (although
ALL the good programs do this now), but TheSky was doing it before anyone
else.  

 

I use TheSky scope side to help me locate faint galaxies or small
planetaries and it is a great tool for that.  If you have the disk space, it
is well worth it to install the Guide Star Catalog.  You can also install
the UCAC catalog (it is much larger, and thus more space hungry) if you want
to plot stars to 21st magnitude.

 

Dick

 

 

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From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of George
Allen
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 4:21 PM
To: ASKC YAHOO
Subject: [ASKC] software, SKY vs. GUIDE

 

Rick, since the PC JoDee bought from you at the party already had SKY
installed, she started to play around with it, as well as GUIDE which we had
installed in our PC. Turns out they will both easily do what she wants, and
she says she feels like mastering SKY will be the easier task. We downloaded
the manual and printed it out, as well as found it on the directory. 

Now is the time for anyone who feels compelled to do so to mention why this
is or is not a good idea, before the effort is spent to digest a useable
command of the program. Neither looks to be as simple as using a book,
planisphere and set of charts, but both programs contain a whale of a lot
more data than any book.

Geo.

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Steven O'Meara does on a regular basis. but then he has claimed naked eye
7.3 mag stars before too.  (And he has probably seen them.  The guy has eyes
like a cat!)

 

Dick H

 

 

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From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Fox
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 3:15 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation

 



"Some more dedicated observers use medical oxygen I hear."

Hmmmmmmmm... Could this be another tool to use?

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From: ASKC@yahoogroups. <mailto:ASKC%40yahoogroups.com> com
[mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups. <mailto:ASKC%40yahoogroups.com> com] On Behalf Of
George
Allen
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 2:32 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups. <mailto:ASKC%40yahoogroups.com> com
Subject: RE: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation

Rick,

If you are going for a visual scope I think you can rule out any SCT because
of that 25% secondary, leaving Newtonian or more exotic Cassegrains.

Let's mention a couple other things you shall never see in a slick paper
magazine ad. Your health and age is a big factor. It is worthwhile to
learn what your maximum eye pupil size is before buying EP's. We talk about
7mm as the common size, but a kid can make 9mm, while an old fart like me
can barely hit 5mm. 

If you smoke, have heart disease, diabetes, do any vasoconstrictor drugs
(legal or otherwise), drink before observing or have any condition that
restricts breathing, your ability to see what the scope delivers is
diminished, in some cases, greatly. When I got diabetes I figure I lost a
magnitude of seeing, and what dark adaption remains, now takes over twice as
long to acquire. Your eye needs a good supply of oxygen to work at it's
peak. Some more dedicated observers use medical oxygen I hear.

I recall you are no longer a kid, so in a few years you will wonder how you
lifted some of the things you now consider lightweight. Sometime during my
50's all the stuff I own got a lot heavier. Strange how that happened. 
And I got a lot heavier, too. The result is that while I once would drag my
C14 out and set it up alone, I must now have a helper. So if you should
buy a rig that you can barely handle now, it is only a short time before you
might need a partner. At any rate, there is no question that the times a
scope will be put to use is inversely proportionate to it's cumbersome
factor. 

Your eye pupil size can be measured with a camera. We once did that as a
club fun thing. Made slides of eyeballs with a mm stick in the picture,
after sitting in the dark 15 minutes. Are those slides still around???

Geo.

> [Original Message]
> From: Dick Harshaw <dwharshaw@kc. <mailto:dwharshaw%40kc.rr.com> rr.com>
> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups. <mailto:ASKC%40yahoogroups.com> com>
> Date: 1/2/2007 1:12:42 PM
> Subject: RE: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation
>
> Thanks, George, for adding the secondary obstruction point to the 
> discussion. I overlooked that in my first post to Rick.
>
> 
>
> Dick H
>
> 
>
> 
>
> _____
>
> From: ASKC@yahoogroups. <mailto:ASKC%40yahoogroups.com> com
[mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups. <mailto:ASKC%40yahoogroups.com> com] On Behalf Of
George
> Allen
> Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 11:14 AM
> To: ASKC@yahoogroups. <mailto:ASKC%40yahoogroups.com> com
> Subject: RE: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation
>
> 
>
> Rick,
>
> There is a lot more than diameter of the system. For instance, a 6"
> refractor will demolish an 8" SCT of the same quality, due to the huge 
> central obstruction of the latter.
>
> In any Newtonian, as the F ratio is higher, the allowable size of the 
> visual diagonal is reduced, thereby increasing contrast and reducing 
> diffraction. A low focuser will add to this effect by allowing the
diagonal
> to be placed closer to the focuser, consequently smaller.
>
> In a refractor or long Newtonian, the open end of the tube is further 
> from the observer's body heat, decreasing perturbation of the incoming 
> light shaft.
>
> Your decision to go visual allows you to use a much smaller secondary 
> and illuminate only a point. This means a lot in planetary and double 
> star work. Since commercial scopes usually go for "all purpose" they 
> use an imaging or compromise diagonal size.
>
> There is a lot to consider when going for that perfect scope. But size 
> matters, too. ;-))
>
> Geo. 
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Rick Henderson <rhenderson1@ <mailto:rhenderson1%40kc.rr.com>
> kc.rr.com>
> > To: <ASKC@yahoogroups. <mailto:ASKC%40yahoogroups.com> com>
> > Date: 1/1/2007 9:51:56 PM
> > Subject: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation
> >
> > The mirrors discussion thread, got me thinking about my own 
> > (someday)
> telescope upgrade. I would like input from the ASKC visual observers 
> about general advice on upgrading to a larger scope. My questions are 
> dealing with visual only observation as I don't want to think about 
> computerized scopes in this question. I haven't ruled them out, but 
> want to know about the visual comparisons.
> >
> > To make investment in a larger scope worthwhile for a noticeable
increase
> in faint object visual observation, what would be the minimum 
> recommended increase in aperture? In particular, I have an 8" scope 
> and I am assuming that if the day comes when my college bound kids 
> don't get most of my money, I should go up to at least a 12" scope. 
> Would that be a correct assessment?
> >
> > Also, strictly from a visual observational point, would there be any
> significant advantage of one type of scope versus another? Ignoring 
> cost and equatorial/computerized stuff, what would be the visual 
> observation tradeoffs of upgrading to a Schimdt-Cassegrain versus a 
> Dobsonian versus a Newtonian reflector versus a Schmitdt-Newtonian?
> >
> > Don't worry about me screwing up the viewing conditions with a new 
> > toy
> purchase in the near future, but I figure dreaming shouldn't mess up 
> the weather too badly.
> >
> > Rick Henderson
> >
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George,

This is sort of a "the best scope to buy is the one you will use" kind of advice, except for software.

If JoDee feels comfortable using The SKY and thinks it would be easier to learn, then I would say stick with it.  I haven't used GUIDE for quite some time now and originally switched to The SKY because the graphics were considerably better.  The version of GUIDE I was using was basically a DOS program with a few bells and whistles tacked on to make it sort of look like a Windows program.  I wasn't impressed, but that was over 10 years ago, so GUIDE may have significantly improved.  Scott Kranz could give you the low down on the later versions of GUIDE.

The SKY has it's own bugaboos as well, but nothing major.  I was disappointed with how little improved version 6 was as compared to version 5, but since you're using 5, that's a non-issue.  Overall, though, I like the software.  We also use 5 at Powell for the AIC and in the classroom, so there are a lot of other ASKC users that could provide input.

Rick Henderson




  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: George Allen 
  To: ASKC YAHOO 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 4:20 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] software, SKY vs. GUIDE


  Rick, since the PC JoDee bought from you at the party already had SKY installed, she started to play around with it, as well as GUIDE which we had installed in our PC. Turns out they will both easily do what she wants, and she says she feels like mastering SKY will be the easier task. We downloaded the manual and printed it out, as well as found it on the directory. 

  Now is the time for anyone who feels compelled to do so to mention why this is or is not a good idea, before the effort is spent to digest a useable command of the program. Neither looks to be as simple as using a book, planisphere and set of charts, but both programs contain a whale of a lot more data than any book.

  Geo.

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Thanks, Dick. This is Version 5.0, Level IV.  Is that a newer version?  

JoDee


> [Original Message]
> From: Dick Harshaw <dwharshaw@...>
> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: 1/2/2007 7:53:33 PM
> Subject: RE: [ASKC] software, SKY vs. GUIDE
>
> I've been using TheSky for 10 years and feel very comfortable with it,
> although the new version has some real quirks regarding screen and display
> options.  But other folks are more comfortable with Guide, or Megastar.
> It's what you get used to, I suppose.  
>
>  
>
> I found that TheSky was easy to link to the digitized sky survey (although
> ALL the good programs do this now), but TheSky was doing it before anyone
> else.  
>
>  
>
> I use TheSky scope side to help me locate faint galaxies or small
> planetaries and it is a great tool for that.  If you have the disk space,
it
> is well worth it to install the Guide Star Catalog.  You can also install
> the UCAC catalog (it is much larger, and thus more space hungry) if you
want
> to plot stars to 21st magnitude.
>
>  
>
> Dick
>
>  
>
>  
>
>   _____  
>
> From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
George
> Allen
> Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 4:21 PM
> To: ASKC YAHOO
> Subject: [ASKC] software, SKY vs. GUIDE
>
>  
>
> Rick, since the PC JoDee bought from you at the party already had SKY
> installed, she started to play around with it, as well as GUIDE which we
had
> installed in our PC. Turns out they will both easily do what she wants,
and
> she says she feels like mastering SKY will be the easier task. We
downloaded
> the manual and printed it out, as well as found it on the directory. 
>
> Now is the time for anyone who feels compelled to do so to mention why
this
> is or is not a good idea, before the effort is spent to digest a useable
> command of the program. Neither looks to be as simple as using a book,
> planisphere and set of charts, but both programs contain a whale of a lot
> more data than any book.
>
> Geo.
>
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I was referring to my longer "formula" note.

 

Dick

 

 

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From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Henderson
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 1:20 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation

 

Hi Dick,

You mentioned a first post to me on the Aperture Size/Visual thread, but I
did not receive it? Did I miss an email? 

I am very interested in the information that you, George and any other ASKC
folks could provide on this topic. I am going through an astronomical
"mid-life" crisis on visual versus photographic observing.

There is a lot of expertise in this club which I trust waaaaaaaaay more than
the ads in the magazines or sales staff at a store. Plus, I enjoy hearing
what you folks have already discovered or experimented with.

Rick Henderson

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Dick Harshaw 
To: ASKC@yahoogroups. <mailto:ASKC%40yahoogroups.com> com 
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 11:41 AM
Subject: RE: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation

Thanks, George, for adding the secondary obstruction point to the
discussion. I overlooked that in my first post to Rick.

Dick H

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From: ASKC@yahoogroups. <mailto:ASKC%40yahoogroups.com> com
[mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups. <mailto:ASKC%40yahoogroups.com> com] On Behalf Of
George
Allen
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 11:14 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups. <mailto:ASKC%40yahoogroups.com> com
Subject: RE: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation

Rick, 

There is a lot more than diameter of the system. For instance, a 6"
refractor will demolish an 8" SCT of the same quality, due to the huge
central obstruction of the latter. 

In any Newtonian, as the F ratio is higher, the allowable size of the
visual diagonal is reduced, thereby increasing contrast and reducing
diffraction. A low focuser will add to this effect by allowing the diagonal
to be placed closer to the focuser, consequently smaller.

In a refractor or long Newtonian, the open end of the tube is further from
the observer's body heat, decreasing perturbation of the incoming light
shaft.

Your decision to go visual allows you to use a much smaller secondary and
illuminate only a point. This means a lot in planetary and double star
work. Since commercial scopes usually go for "all purpose" they use an
imaging or compromise diagonal size. 

There is a lot to consider when going for that perfect scope. But size
matters, too. ;-))

Geo. 

> [Original Message]
> From: Rick Henderson <rhenderson1@ <mailto:rhenderson1%40kc.rr.com>
kc.rr.com>
> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups. <mailto:ASKC%40yahoogroups.com> com>
> Date: 1/1/2007 9:51:56 PM
> Subject: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation
>
> The mirrors discussion thread, got me thinking about my own (someday)
telescope upgrade. I would like input from the ASKC visual observers about
general advice on upgrading to a larger scope. My questions are dealing
with visual only observation as I don't want to think about computerized
scopes in this question. I haven't ruled them out, but want to know about
the visual comparisons.
>
> To make investment in a larger scope worthwhile for a noticeable increase
in faint object visual observation, what would be the minimum recommended
increase in aperture? In particular, I have an 8" scope and I am assuming
that if the day comes when my college bound kids don't get most of my
money, I should go up to at least a 12" scope. Would that be a correct
assessment?
>
> Also, strictly from a visual observational point, would there be any
significant advantage of one type of scope versus another? Ignoring cost
and equatorial/computerized stuff, what would be the visual observation
tradeoffs of upgrading to a Schimdt-Cassegrain versus a Dobsonian versus a
Newtonian reflector versus a Schmitdt-Newtonian?
>
> Don't worry about me screwing up the viewing conditions with a new toy
purchase in the near future, but I figure dreaming shouldn't mess up the
weather too badly.
>
> Rick Henderson
>
>
>
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> 
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Rick you said you did not get the first post from Dick Harshaw, that 
is odd. I sent you a post earlier in the day ahead of Tom and George 
and I see it did not go through either. They both covered what I 
sent so I won't re-send.

Larry G









- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "George Allen" <geonjod@...> wrote:
>
> Rick,
> 
> If you are going for a visual scope I think you can rule out any 
SCT
> because of that 25% secondary, leaving Newtonian or more exotic 
Cassegrains.
> 
> Let's mention a couple other things you shall never see in a slick 
paper
> magazine ad.  Your health and age is a big factor.  It is 
worthwhile to
> learn what your maximum eye pupil size is before buying EP's.  We 
talk
> about 7mm as the common size, but a kid can make 9mm, while an old 
fart
> like me can barely hit 5mm. 
> 
> If you smoke, have heart disease, diabetes, do any vasoconstrictor 
drugs
> (legal or otherwise), drink before observing or have any condition 
that
> restricts breathing, your ability to see what the scope delivers is
> diminished, in some cases, greatly.  When I got diabetes I figure 
I lost a
> magnitude of seeing, and what dark adaption remains, now takes 
over twice
> as long to acquire.  Your eye needs a good supply of oxygen to 
work at it's
> peak.  Some more dedicated observers use medical oxygen I hear.
> 
> I recall you are no longer a kid, so in a few years you will 
wonder how you
> lifted some of the things you now consider lightweight.  Sometime 
during my
> 50's all the stuff I own got a lot heavier.  Strange how that 
happened. 
> And I got a lot heavier, too.  The result is that while I once 
would drag
> my C14 out and set it up alone,  I must now have a helper.  So if 
you
> should buy a rig that you can barely handle now, it is only a 
short time
> before you might need a partner.  At any rate, there is no 
question that
> the times a scope will be put to use is inversely proportionate to 
it's
> cumbersome factor.  
> 
> Your eye pupil size can be measured with a camera.  We once did 
that as a
> club fun thing.  Made slides of eyeballs with a mm stick in the 
picture,
> after sitting in the dark 15 minutes.  Are those slides still 
around???
> 
> Geo.
> 
> 
> 
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Dick Harshaw <dwharshaw@...>
> > To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: 1/2/2007 1:12:42 PM
> > Subject: RE: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation
> >
> > Thanks, George, for adding the secondary obstruction point to the
> > discussion.  I overlooked that in my first post to Rick.
> >
> >  
> >
> > Dick H
> >
> >  
> >
> >  
> >
> >   _____  
> >
> > From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On 
Behalf Of
> George
> > Allen
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 11:14 AM
> > To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation
> >
> >  
> >
> > Rick, 
> >
> > There is a lot more than diameter of the system. For instance, a 
6"
> > refractor will demolish an 8" SCT of the same quality, due to 
the huge
> > central obstruction of the latter. 
> >
> > In any Newtonian, as the F ratio is higher, the allowable size 
of the
> > visual diagonal is reduced, thereby increasing contrast and 
reducing
> > diffraction. A low focuser will add to this effect by allowing 
the
> diagonal
> > to be placed closer to the focuser, consequently smaller.
> >
> > In a refractor or long Newtonian, the open end of the tube is 
further from
> > the observer's body heat, decreasing perturbation of the 
incoming light
> > shaft.
> >
> > Your decision to go visual allows you to use a much smaller 
secondary and
> > illuminate only a point. This means a lot in planetary and 
double star
> > work. Since commercial scopes usually go for "all purpose" they 
use an
> > imaging or compromise diagonal size. 
> >
> > There is a lot to consider when going for that perfect scope. 
But size
> > matters, too. ;-))
> >
> > Geo. 
> >
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: Rick Henderson <rhenderson1@ <mailto:rhenderson1%
40kc.rr.com>
> > kc.rr.com>
> > > To: <ASKC@yahoogroups. <mailto:ASKC%40yahoogroups.com> com>
> > > Date: 1/1/2007 9:51:56 PM
> > > Subject: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation
> > >
> > > The mirrors discussion thread, got me thinking about my own 
(someday)
> > telescope upgrade. I would like input from the ASKC visual 
observers about
> > general advice on upgrading to a larger scope. My questions are 
dealing
> > with visual only observation as I don't want to think about 
computerized
> > scopes in this question. I haven't ruled them out, but want to 
know about
> > the visual comparisons.
> > >
> > > To make investment in a larger scope worthwhile for a 
noticeable
> increase
> > in faint object visual observation, what would be the minimum 
recommended
> > increase in aperture? In particular, I have an 8" scope and I am 
assuming
> > that if the day comes when my college bound kids don't get most 
of my
> > money, I should go up to at least a 12" scope. Would that be a 
correct
> > assessment?
> > >
> > > Also, strictly from a visual observational point, would there 
be any
> > significant advantage of one type of scope versus another? 
Ignoring cost
> > and equatorial/computerized stuff, what would be the visual 
observation
> > tradeoffs of upgrading to a Schimdt-Cassegrain versus a 
Dobsonian versus a
> > Newtonian reflector versus a Schmitdt-Newtonian?
> > >
> > > Don't worry about me screwing up the viewing conditions with a 
new toy
> > purchase in the near future, but I figure dreaming shouldn't 
mess up the
> > weather too badly.
> > >
> > > Rick Henderson
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 
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--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Henderson" <rhenderson1@...> wrote:
> A big question I am also trying to answer is whether I want a scope 
primarily for visual observation, CCD photography or about equal of 
both.  Any thoughts or suggestions on that question as well?
> 


Like George said, this is a whole new book!

If you want to take pictures with a future scope, you have to figure 
out whether you want to take really nice deep sky images through the 
scope, or just play around with a camera and take a few images of 
some of the brighter objects and/or piggyback the camera on the scope.

The later can be done with just about any telescope on a good 
equatorial mount.  The former will require a much more substantial 
mount.

Astrophotos are taken with virtually all kinds of telescopes, but the 
best images require a solid mount.  The best, in my opinion, are 
german equatorial mounts, although fork mounts can do it as well, but 
not as easy.

Some of the best mounts are expensive, starting around $6000 and 
up,such as:
http://www.astro-physics.com/
and
http://www.mountaininstruments.com/

If you don't want to go that expensive this are good:
http://www.losmandy.com/
and
http://www.celestron.com/c2/product.php?ProdID=93

The total weight capacity the mount will be carrying (telescope, 
finder, camera, dew heaters, guidescope, etc.) will determine the 
mount you need.

Here are the capacities prices for some of the above:

Astro-Physics Mach1GTO - 45 lbs $6,000
Astro-Physics 900GTO - 70 lbs $8,250
Mountain Instruments - 65 lbs $6,850
Losmondy GM8 - 30 lbs $1,500
Losmondy GM11 - 60 lbs $2,200
Celestron CGE - 65 lbs $3,000

The weight capacities are dependent on the moment arm of the optical 
tube assembly.  A long newtonian would bring the number down.

As you notice, I've only mentioned mounts.  Telescopes for 
astrophotography are hard to pin down.  So much depends on how much 
you can afford and the quality of the images you want.  And if you 
want to use it for visual also, well, it makes it even tougher.

The setup I want is an astrograph that will self-guide automatically 
taking anywhere from 1 to 100 images all by itself, and a totally 
different scope for visual use while I keep an eye on the roboscope 
so that it doesn't crash into itself.

Tom 

Dick,

M33 naked eye?  Wow!

Got room for one more runner and ducker?

Rick Henderson

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Dick Harshaw 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 6:13 PM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation


  Rick, I do just visual observing. I have never gotten the shutter bug for
  astronomy, and admire those who are good at it (like Tom Martinez). So I
  don't know what to tell you about CCD work or even digital photography
  (except that both will require a good polar-aligned mount and guiding
  system). I do know that CCDs tend to have pretty small chips and so image
  small pieces of sky.

  Dick

  PS: As for running and hiding, I meant that as an aside at the KC weather.
  Phoenix enjoys about 300 nights a year of clear (or mostly clear) skies, and
  my observing buddies out there (the Saguaro Astronomy Club) have taken me to
  some of their dark sky sites (all BLM land, free to public use) where the
  naked eye skies reach 7th magnitude, and M33 was naked eye!

  _____ 

  From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick
  Henderson
  Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 2:02 PM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation

  Dick,

  Thanks for the detail formulae and explanations. Between what you and George
  have written, it has given me a fair amount of information to ponder.

  A big question I am also trying to answer is whether I want a scope
  primarily for visual observation, CCD photography or about equal of both.
  Any thoughts or suggestions on that question as well?

  Also, concerning your ducking and running, the last time I checked, the
  internet reaches all the way down to Arizona so, to paraphrase somebody out
  there, you can duck and run, but you can't hide!

  Hmmm, I suppose you could put me on your spam filter list though...

  Rick Henderson

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Dick Harshaw 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups. <mailto:ASKC%40yahoogroups.com> com 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 11:40 AM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation

  Rick,

  I suppose it depends on what you want to observe more than anything else.
  If it is faint galaxies you are seeking, aperture will have to be the major
  factor in your decision process.

  A telescope's magnitude grasp can be estimated using the formula 

  Mf = 6.5 - 5 (log ep dia) + 5 (log Scope dia)

  Where (log ep dia) is the log of the eye's exit pupil. As an example,
  suppose your eye typically dilates to 0.2" diameter under dark adaptation
  and the scope has an objective of six inches. The formula becomes 

  6.5 - 5 (log 0.20) + 5 (log 6.0) = 6.5 + 3.4949 + 3.8908 = ~13.9

  So a six incher could reach down to about 13.9 magnitude. 

  As you know, each step of the magnitude scale is 2.54 times the step below
  it, and the eye wimps out at 6.00 (typical skies, not good dark sky
  conditions). So if you wanted to go to magnitude 16, you'd solve the formula
  for 16 and find that the objective can be determined by rewriting the
  formula to this:

  (Mag Target - 9.9949) / 5 = log Objective

  Substituting 16 for Mag Target gives an objective of about 15.9 inches. 

  To correct for absorption, you would need to add a factor to the magnitude
  target-for 16th magnitude grasp, you'd need to use about 16.5 in the
  formula.

  If you have an 8 inch SCT now, going to an 11 inch would increase your
  surface area about 1.89 times, which means a change in magnitude grasp from
  about 14.5 down to 15.2, or a mere 0.7 magnitude jump. Going to a 14 incher
  takes you to 15.7; 16 inches down to 16.1, and so on.

  A quick survey of the SAC deep sky database shows 8,903 galaxies within
  reach of an 8 incher (of course, some of these are in the southern
  hemisphere); 9,693 available to an 11-inch; 10,072 to a 14 inch; and 10,200
  to a 16 inch. But your actual mileage may vary.

  Combine the light grasp with portability and you'll reach a good decision.
  I opted to move from a C8 to a C11 because of the combination of light grasp
  and portability; the 14 was too much beast to handle and a 16 really
  requires a permanent observatory setup. (Easier with a dob, of course.)
  Also I was more interested in resolution than just light grasp.

  If your goal is to do high resolution observing, like double stars or
  planets, the atmosphere will limit you more than your scope. An 11 inch
  scope gives lots of detail when the skies cooperate (which isn't very often
  around here); on the other hand, most nights a good 12-inch dob will
  outperform the 30 at Powell simply because of the effects of seeing on a
  larger instrument. (But this applies only to seeing detail, not grasping
  light; for light grasp, aperture rules, period.)

  Hope this helps a little. With the Aperture Fever Bug running amok in our
  group now (congrats to Mike and Kathy for new big dob purchases!) and the
  inevitable Murchison's Law (you'll have cloudy nights in direct proportion
  to the cube of the aperture purchased divided by the square of the aperture
  purchased, said ratio being expressed in weeks of lousy seeing), we should
  have crummy skies for most of 2007. 

  Makes me glad I'm moving to Phoenix. (ducking and running now).

  Dick H

  _____ 

  From: ASKC@yahoogroups. <mailto:ASKC%40yahoogroups.com> com
  [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups. <mailto:ASKC%40yahoogroups.com> com] On Behalf Of
  Rick
  Henderson
  Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 8:48 PM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups. <mailto:ASKC%40yahoogroups.com> com
  Subject: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation

  The mirrors discussion thread, got me thinking about my own (someday)
  telescope upgrade. I would like input from the ASKC visual observers about
  general advice on upgrading to a larger scope. My questions are dealing with
  visual only observation as I don't want to think about computerized scopes
  in this question. I haven't ruled them out, but want to know about the
  visual comparisons.

  To make investment in a larger scope worthwhile for a noticeable increase in
  faint object visual observation, what would be the minimum recommended
  increase in aperture? In particular, I have an 8" scope and I am assuming
  that if the day comes when my college bound kids don't get most of my money,
  I should go up to at least a 12" scope. Would that be a correct assessment?

  Also, strictly from a visual observational point, would there be any
  significant advantage of one type of scope versus another? Ignoring cost and
  equatorial/computerized stuff, what would be the visual observation
  tradeoffs of upgrading to a Schimdt-Cassegrain versus a Dobsonian versus a
  Newtonian reflector versus a Schmitdt-Newtonian?

  Don't worry about me screwing up the viewing conditions with a new toy
  purchase in the near future, but I figure dreaming shouldn't mess up the
  weather too badly.

  Rick Henderson

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Messier Marathon - March 16 - 18
okie-tex  - October 6 - 14

ICStars?????? anyone know

-scott (just back from the Nebraska blizzard)


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From: "Dave Fox" <sm20@...> 
Since it's time to hang a new calendar on the wall, I was wanting to know
of any dates that should get highlighted for new year.

Here are some I have found.

Astronomy Day is April 21 and September 15, 2007

ASKC'S HEART OF AMERICA STAR PARTY IS JUNE 12TH - JUNE 17TH, 2007 
ASKC's Messier Marathon Sat 04/01/06 ?? Need more info..

ICStars Star Party ??
Nebraska Star Party July 15th to 20th, 2007 -
Okie-Tex ???Sep/Oct
Texas Star Party May 13 thru 20th near Fort Davis, Texas

Birthdays of ASKCers.?

Other Dates, 


 

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--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, s.kranz1@... wrote:
> ICStars?????? anyone know


Possibly and more than likely it will be Oct 10-14.
Still need to concur with other board members to confirm.
We have our planning meeting in January...so no definite dates chosen
yet. 


Rob
Sect/Treas 
Stargarden Foundation

Hi everyone,

I gave a night sky talk at a Cub Scout pack meeting last month and someone from the pack actually emailed me a real telescope question.  Unfortunately, I can't answer it so I'm forwarding it to the eGroups in hopes that we'll all learn something.

The email follows my signature.

Rick Henderson

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Tim Navickas 
To: Rick Henderson 
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: Cub Scout Stars Meeting


Rick,

I have a quick astronomy/telescope question for you.  Which is the finer, last step. polish to use on mirrors red rouge or #800 extra fine  compound?  I have about 4 times as much red rouge as the other. My father in law gave me an old mirror making kit with no directions.

Thanks,
Tim Navickas

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Rick:  Wow, that's amazing, a cub scout working on a mirror!  Great!

Tell him that red rouge is much finer than #800 grit.  #800 grit is 
about 12 micron.  Assuming he used something like #400 already, he 
needs to use the #800 next, then rouge is what he needs to use for 
the final polishing and figuring, but he must use it with a pitch lap 
or polishing pads.  How is he working this mirror without 
instructions?  Or does he mean there was not instructions about what 
the grits are?
What size mirror is he working on?

Tom Martinez

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Henderson" <rhenderson1@...> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
> 
> I gave a night sky talk at a Cub Scout pack meeting last month and 
someone from the pack actually emailed me a real telescope question.  
Unfortunately, I can't answer it so I'm forwarding it to the eGroups 
in hopes that we'll all learn something.
> 
> The email follows my signature.
> 
> Rick Henderson
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Tim Navickas 
> To: Rick Henderson 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 8:03 PM
> Subject: Re: Cub Scout Stars Meeting
> 
> 
> Rick,
> 
> I have a quick astronomy/telescope question for you.  Which is the 
finer, last step. polish to use on mirrors red rouge or #800 extra 
fine  compound?  I have about 4 times as much red rouge as the other. 
My father in law gave me an old mirror making kit with no directions.
> 
> Thanks,
> Tim Navickas
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Dick,

I love email.  I got your second message before I got your first.

Something about a time/space DIScontinuum, I think.

Rick Henderson

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Dick Harshaw 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 8:10 PM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation


  I was referring to my longer "formula" note.

  Dick

  _____ 

  From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick
  Henderson
  Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 1:20 PM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation

  Hi Dick,

  You mentioned a first post to me on the Aperture Size/Visual thread, but I
  did not receive it? Did I miss an email? 

  I am very interested in the information that you, George and any other ASKC
  folks could provide on this topic. I am going through an astronomical
  "mid-life" crisis on visual versus photographic observing.

  There is a lot of expertise in this club which I trust waaaaaaaaay more than
  the ads in the magazines or sales staff at a store. Plus, I enjoy hearing
  what you folks have already discovered or experimented with.

  Rick Henderson

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Dick Harshaw 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups. <mailto:ASKC%40yahoogroups.com> com 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 11:41 AM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation

  Thanks, George, for adding the secondary obstruction point to the
  discussion. I overlooked that in my first post to Rick.

  Dick H

  _____ 

  From: ASKC@yahoogroups. <mailto:ASKC%40yahoogroups.com> com
  [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups. <mailto:ASKC%40yahoogroups.com> com] On Behalf Of
  George
  Allen
  Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 11:14 AM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups. <mailto:ASKC%40yahoogroups.com> com
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation

  Rick, 

  There is a lot more than diameter of the system. For instance, a 6"
  refractor will demolish an 8" SCT of the same quality, due to the huge
  central obstruction of the latter. 

  In any Newtonian, as the F ratio is higher, the allowable size of the
  visual diagonal is reduced, thereby increasing contrast and reducing
  diffraction. A low focuser will add to this effect by allowing the diagonal
  to be placed closer to the focuser, consequently smaller.

  In a refractor or long Newtonian, the open end of the tube is further from
  the observer's body heat, decreasing perturbation of the incoming light
  shaft.

  Your decision to go visual allows you to use a much smaller secondary and
  illuminate only a point. This means a lot in planetary and double star
  work. Since commercial scopes usually go for "all purpose" they use an
  imaging or compromise diagonal size. 

  There is a lot to consider when going for that perfect scope. But size
  matters, too. ;-))

  Geo. 

  > [Original Message]
  > From: Rick Henderson <rhenderson1@ <mailto:rhenderson1%40kc.rr.com>
  kc.rr.com>
  > To: <ASKC@yahoogroups. <mailto:ASKC%40yahoogroups.com> com>
  > Date: 1/1/2007 9:51:56 PM
  > Subject: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation
  >
  > The mirrors discussion thread, got me thinking about my own (someday)
  telescope upgrade. I would like input from the ASKC visual observers about
  general advice on upgrading to a larger scope. My questions are dealing
  with visual only observation as I don't want to think about computerized
  scopes in this question. I haven't ruled them out, but want to know about
  the visual comparisons.
  >
  > To make investment in a larger scope worthwhile for a noticeable increase
  in faint object visual observation, what would be the minimum recommended
  increase in aperture? In particular, I have an 8" scope and I am assuming
  that if the day comes when my college bound kids don't get most of my
  money, I should go up to at least a 12" scope. Would that be a correct
  assessment?
  >
  > Also, strictly from a visual observational point, would there be any
  significant advantage of one type of scope versus another? Ignoring cost
  and equatorial/computerized stuff, what would be the visual observation
  tradeoffs of upgrading to a Schimdt-Cassegrain versus a Dobsonian versus a
  Newtonian reflector versus a Schmitdt-Newtonian?
  >
  > Don't worry about me screwing up the viewing conditions with a new toy
  purchase in the near future, but I figure dreaming shouldn't mess up the
  weather too badly.
  >
  > Rick Henderson
  >
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I have a cutting torch and a sledge hammer. I can get in.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <mikekansascity@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Re: DSS-Outhouse


> locked doors ...   sooooo .... if someone forgets to unlock a  door - what
> shall we do to unlock it from the outside?    ...   a hidden key?   ...
or
> does it have one of  those little round holes in the middle of the knob
that
> allows the door to be  unlocked with a wire, nail, paperclip, etc?
> Sterling
>
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Hi Larry,

Good things we have so many ways in the 21st century of NOT communicating.

Computers are a passing fad and will never work in the long run.

Rick Henderson

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: larry goode 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 10:19 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] Re: Aperture Size and Visual Observation


  Rick you said you did not get the first post from Dick Harshaw, that 
  is odd. I sent you a post earlier in the day ahead of Tom and George 
  and I see it did not go through either. They both covered what I 
  sent so I won't re-send.

  Larry G

  - In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "George Allen" <geonjod@...> wrote:
  >
  > Rick,
  > 
  > If you are going for a visual scope I think you can rule out any 
  SCT
  > because of that 25% secondary, leaving Newtonian or more exotic 
  Cassegrains.
  > 
  > Let's mention a couple other things you shall never see in a slick 
  paper
  > magazine ad. Your health and age is a big factor. It is 
  worthwhile to
  > learn what your maximum eye pupil size is before buying EP's. We 
  talk
  > about 7mm as the common size, but a kid can make 9mm, while an old 
  fart
  > like me can barely hit 5mm. 
  > 
  > If you smoke, have heart disease, diabetes, do any vasoconstrictor 
  drugs
  > (legal or otherwise), drink before observing or have any condition 
  that
  > restricts breathing, your ability to see what the scope delivers is
  > diminished, in some cases, greatly. When I got diabetes I figure 
  I lost a
  > magnitude of seeing, and what dark adaption remains, now takes 
  over twice
  > as long to acquire. Your eye needs a good supply of oxygen to 
  work at it's
  > peak. Some more dedicated observers use medical oxygen I hear.
  > 
  > I recall you are no longer a kid, so in a few years you will 
  wonder how you
  > lifted some of the things you now consider lightweight. Sometime 
  during my
  > 50's all the stuff I own got a lot heavier. Strange how that 
  happened. 
  > And I got a lot heavier, too. The result is that while I once 
  would drag
  > my C14 out and set it up alone, I must now have a helper. So if 
  you
  > should buy a rig that you can barely handle now, it is only a 
  short time
  > before you might need a partner. At any rate, there is no 
  question that
  > the times a scope will be put to use is inversely proportionate to 
  it's
  > cumbersome factor. 
  > 
  > Your eye pupil size can be measured with a camera. We once did 
  that as a
  > club fun thing. Made slides of eyeballs with a mm stick in the 
  picture,
  > after sitting in the dark 15 minutes. Are those slides still 
  around???
  > 
  > Geo.
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > > [Original Message]
  > > From: Dick Harshaw <dwharshaw@...>
  > > To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
  > > Date: 1/2/2007 1:12:42 PM
  > > Subject: RE: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation
  > >
  > > Thanks, George, for adding the secondary obstruction point to the
  > > discussion. I overlooked that in my first post to Rick.
  > >
  > > 
  > >
  > > Dick H
  > >
  > > 
  > >
  > > 
  > >
  > > _____ 
  > >
  > > From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On 
  Behalf Of
  > George
  > > Allen
  > > Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 11:14 AM
  > > To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  > > Subject: RE: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation
  > >
  > > 
  > >
  > > Rick, 
  > >
  > > There is a lot more than diameter of the system. For instance, a 
  6"
  > > refractor will demolish an 8" SCT of the same quality, due to 
  the huge
  > > central obstruction of the latter. 
  > >
  > > In any Newtonian, as the F ratio is higher, the allowable size 
  of the
  > > visual diagonal is reduced, thereby increasing contrast and 
  reducing
  > > diffraction. A low focuser will add to this effect by allowing 
  the
  > diagonal
  > > to be placed closer to the focuser, consequently smaller.
  > >
  > > In a refractor or long Newtonian, the open end of the tube is 
  further from
  > > the observer's body heat, decreasing perturbation of the 
  incoming light
  > > shaft.
  > >
  > > Your decision to go visual allows you to use a much smaller 
  secondary and
  > > illuminate only a point. This means a lot in planetary and 
  double star
  > > work. Since commercial scopes usually go for "all purpose" they 
  use an
  > > imaging or compromise diagonal size. 
  > >
  > > There is a lot to consider when going for that perfect scope. 
  But size
  > > matters, too. ;-))
  > >
  > > Geo. 
  > >
  > > > [Original Message]
  > > > From: Rick Henderson <rhenderson1@ <mailto:rhenderson1%
  40kc.rr.com>
  > > kc.rr.com>
  > > > To: <ASKC@yahoogroups. <mailto:ASKC%40yahoogroups.com> com>
  > > > Date: 1/1/2007 9:51:56 PM
  > > > Subject: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation
  > > >
  > > > The mirrors discussion thread, got me thinking about my own 
  (someday)
  > > telescope upgrade. I would like input from the ASKC visual 
  observers about
  > > general advice on upgrading to a larger scope. My questions are 
  dealing
  > > with visual only observation as I don't want to think about 
  computerized
  > > scopes in this question. I haven't ruled them out, but want to 
  know about
  > > the visual comparisons.
  > > >
  > > > To make investment in a larger scope worthwhile for a 
  noticeable
  > increase
  > > in faint object visual observation, what would be the minimum 
  recommended
  > > increase in aperture? In particular, I have an 8" scope and I am 
  assuming
  > > that if the day comes when my college bound kids don't get most 
  of my
  > > money, I should go up to at least a 12" scope. Would that be a 
  correct
  > > assessment?
  > > >
  > > > Also, strictly from a visual observational point, would there 
  be any
  > > significant advantage of one type of scope versus another? 
  Ignoring cost
  > > and equatorial/computerized stuff, what would be the visual 
  observation
  > > tradeoffs of upgrading to a Schimdt-Cassegrain versus a 
  Dobsonian versus a
  > > Newtonian reflector versus a Schmitdt-Newtonian?
  > > >
  > > > Don't worry about me screwing up the viewing conditions with a 
  new toy
  > > purchase in the near future, but I figure dreaming shouldn't 
  mess up the
  > > weather too badly.
  > > >
  > > > Rick Henderson
  > > >
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Hi Tom,

I think it's actually one of the adult leaders that is making the scope, although it would be nice to be able to harness some of the energy of all those 10 year old boys.  Maybe a treadmill hooked up to a generator...  We could have energy independence within minutes!

Anyway, I forwarded your reply to him and we'll see if he has more questions or answers to your questions.

Thanks a bunch!

Rick Henderson

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: tom_j_martinez 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 12:20 AM
  Subject: [ASKC] Re: Fw: Cub Scout Stars Meeting


  Rick: Wow, that's amazing, a cub scout working on a mirror! Great!

  Tell him that red rouge is much finer than #800 grit. #800 grit is 
  about 12 micron. Assuming he used something like #400 already, he 
  needs to use the #800 next, then rouge is what he needs to use for 
  the final polishing and figuring, but he must use it with a pitch lap 
  or polishing pads. How is he working this mirror without 
  instructions? Or does he mean there was not instructions about what 
  the grits are?
  What size mirror is he working on?

  Tom Martinez

  --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Henderson" <rhenderson1@...> wrote:
  >
  > Hi everyone,
  > 
  > I gave a night sky talk at a Cub Scout pack meeting last month and 
  someone from the pack actually emailed me a real telescope question. 
  Unfortunately, I can't answer it so I'm forwarding it to the eGroups 
  in hopes that we'll all learn something.
  > 
  > The email follows my signature.
  > 
  > Rick Henderson
  > 
  > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > From: Tim Navickas 
  > To: Rick Henderson 
  > Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 8:03 PM
  > Subject: Re: Cub Scout Stars Meeting
  > 
  > 
  > Rick,
  > 
  > I have a quick astronomy/telescope question for you. Which is the 
  finer, last step. polish to use on mirrors red rouge or #800 extra 
  fine compound? I have about 4 times as much red rouge as the other. 
  My father in law gave me an old mirror making kit with no directions.
  > 
  > Thanks,
  > Tim Navickas
  > 
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  >



   

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Specifically, it was pure oxygen at positive pressure (something like 
16-17 psi), in which conditions steel, among many other things, will 
burn.  NASA stopped doing pure-oxygen postive-pressure testing on the 
ground (and as noted, drastically redesigned the Apollo CM hatch for 
quick exit) but continued to use pure oxygen at 3 psi in space until 
the Shuttle came along -- the Apollo/Soyuz adapter module had to not 
only mate the two spacecraft but somehow deal with the nitrogen-
oxygen mix at normal pressure (a/k/a "air") the Soviets used.  For 
the Shuttle and ISS, NASA uses nitrogen-oxygen at 15 psi.  There's 
probably tons more info (and more accurate than anything I'm dredging 
up from memory) on this at Encyclopedia Astronautica.

Jay

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Randy Thompson" <randiwe269@...> wrote:
>
>         The Three guys that got killed were Virgil Grissom, Ed 
White, and Roger Chaffee. After this incident NASA stopped using pure 
oxygen in space capsules. One switch sparked and because of the 
design of the door. It would only open to the inside. The pressure of 
the burning oxygen sealed the door shut well past the time all three 
had died.
> Randy
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: David Young 
>   To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 4:47 PM
>   Subject: Re: RE: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation
> 
> 
>   Actually the O2 is a compressed gas. The acetylene is a liquid 
that
>   evaporates as you use it. The O2 is usually around 2500 psi in a 
new bottle.
>   A broken tank valve will fire an O2 bottle through a wall with 
ease. Welding
>   O2 is not as pure as medical O2 and would at the very least 
require some
>   serious filtering. Keep in mind that O2 GREATLY accelerates 
combustion.
>   Remember the Apollo fire on the pad that killed 3 guys. Pure O2 
is not to be
>   trifled with.
> 
>   If you are serious about wanting to play, I have a couple of old 
regulators
>   that I could leave outside the door to promote mysterious 
disappearence.
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: "George Allen" <geonjod@...>
>   To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
>   Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 4:05 PM
>   Subject: RE: RE: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation
> 
>   > I don't know what the side effects of using pure oxygen would 
be for an
>   > otherwise healthy person. There are O2 bars in the more 
enlightened parts
>   > of the nation and it doesn't seem to hurt them. I've been told 
it lessons
>   > a hangover real fast. For economy sake you can buy welding 
oxygen for
>   much
>   > less than medical stuff and I can't see what the difference is 
except
>   > price. Cannula can be bought at any medical supply house. The 
only other
>   > thing you would need is a regulator and maybe a flow meter, 
both from a
>   > welding store. Be advised O2 bottles come with 3000 psi and 
liquid oxygen
>   > inside. If you decide to try this, contact me or any welder 
offline re
>   > handling of O2 bottles. They can be deadly.
>   >
>   > You will need to reduce this to around 2 psi by the use of a 2-
stage
>   > regulator, found on any good welding rig. Maybe David Y. has a 
couple
>   > laying around?
>   >
>   > A rich supply of oxygen would have to 'hyper' your retina. The 
first
>   naked
>   > eye recovery of Haley was done with a bottle of oxygen, or so I 
was told,
>   > from the top of Mauna Kea, where O2 is a good idea anyway.
>   >
>   > Any medicos in the group want to comment (under a nom de plume, 
of
>   course)?
>   >
>   > What we won't do for a dimmer and fuzzier! BTW, this is not a 
new idea.
>   >
>   > Geo.
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   > > [Original Message]
>   > > From: Dave Fox <sm20@...>
>   > > To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
>   > > Date: 1/2/2007 3:37:08 PM
>   > > Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] RE: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual
>   Observation
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >
>   > > "Some more dedicated observers use medical oxygen I hear."
>   > >
>   > > Hmmmmmmmm... Could this be another tool to use?
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >
>   > > -----Original Message-----
>   > > From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On 
Behalf Of
>   > George
>   > > Allen
>   > > Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 2:32 PM
>   > > To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
>   > > Subject: RE: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation
>   > >
>   > > Rick,
>   > >
>   > > If you are going for a visual scope I think you can rule out 
any SCT
>   > because
>   > > of that 25% secondary, leaving Newtonian or more exotic 
Cassegrains.
>   > >
>   > > Let's mention a couple other things you shall never see in a 
slick paper
>   > > magazine ad. Your health and age is a big factor. It is 
worthwhile to
>   > > learn what your maximum eye pupil size is before buying EP's. 
We talk
>   > about
>   > > 7mm as the common size, but a kid can make 9mm, while an old 
fart like
>   me
>   > > can barely hit 5mm.
>   > >
>   > > If you smoke, have heart disease, diabetes, do any 
vasoconstrictor drugs
>   > > (legal or otherwise), drink before observing or have any 
condition that
>   > > restricts breathing, your ability to see what the scope 
delivers is
>   > > diminished, in some cases, greatly. When I got diabetes I 
figure I lost
>   a
>   > > magnitude of seeing, and what dark adaption remains, now 
takes over
>   twice
>   > as
>   > > long to acquire. Your eye needs a good supply of oxygen to 
work at it's
>   > > peak. Some more dedicated observers use medical oxygen I hear.
>   > >
>   > > I recall you are no longer a kid, so in a few years you will 
wonder how
>   > you
>   > > lifted some of the things you now consider lightweight. 
Sometime during
>   > my
>   > > 50's all the stuff I own got a lot heavier. Strange how that 
happened.
>   > > And I got a lot heavier, too. The result is that while I once 
would
>   drag
>   > my
>   > > C14 out and set it up alone, I must now have a helper. So if 
you
>   should
>   > > buy a rig that you can barely handle now, it is only a short 
time before
>   > you
>   > > might need a partner. At any rate, there is no question that 
the times
>   a
>   > > scope will be put to use is inversely proportionate to it's 
cumbersome
>   > > factor.
>   > >
>   > > Your eye pupil size can be measured with a camera. We once 
did that as
>   a
>   > > club fun thing. Made slides of eyeballs with a mm stick in 
the picture,
>   > > after sitting in the dark 15 minutes. Are those slides still 
around???
>   > >
>   > > Geo.
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >
>   > > > [Original Message]
>   > > > From: Dick Harshaw <dwharshaw@...>
>   > > > To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
>   > > > Date: 1/2/2007 1:12:42 PM
>   > > > Subject: RE: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation
>   > > >
>   > > > Thanks, George, for adding the secondary obstruction point 
to the
>   > > > discussion. I overlooked that in my first post to Rick.
>   > > >
>   > > >
>   > > >
>   > > > Dick H
>   > > >
>   > > >
>   > > >
>   > > >
>   > > >
>   > > > _____
>   > > >
>   > > > From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On 
Behalf Of
>   > > George
>   > > > Allen
>   > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 11:14 AM
>   > > > To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
>   > > > Subject: RE: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation
>   > > >
>   > > >
>   > > >
>   > > > Rick,
>   > > >
>   > > > There is a lot more than diameter of the system. For 
instance, a 6"
>   > > > refractor will demolish an 8" SCT of the same quality, due 
to the huge
>   > > > central obstruction of the latter.
>   > > >
>   > > > In any Newtonian, as the F ratio is higher, the allowable 
size of the
>   > > > visual diagonal is reduced, thereby increasing contrast and 
reducing
>   > > > diffraction. A low focuser will add to this effect by 
allowing the
>   > > diagonal
>   > > > to be placed closer to the focuser, consequently smaller.
>   > > >
>   > > > In a refractor or long Newtonian, the open end of the tube 
is further
>   > > > from the observer's body heat, decreasing perturbation of 
the incoming
>   > > > light shaft.
>   > > >
>   > > > Your decision to go visual allows you to use a much smaller 
secondary
>   > > > and illuminate only a point. This means a lot in planetary 
and double
>   > > > star work. Since commercial scopes usually go for "all 
purpose" they
>   > > > use an imaging or compromise diagonal size.
>   > > >
>   > > > There is a lot to consider when going for that perfect 
scope. But size
>   > > > matters, too. ;-))
>   > > >
>   > > > Geo.
>   > > >
>   > > > > [Original Message]
>   > > > > From: Rick Henderson <rhenderson1@ <mailto:rhenderson1%
40kc.rr.com>
>   > > > kc.rr.com>
>   > > > > To: <ASKC@yahoogroups. <mailto:ASKC%40yahoogroups.com> 
com>
>   > > > > Date: 1/1/2007 9:51:56 PM
>   > > > > Subject: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation
>   > > > >
>   > > > > The mirrors discussion thread, got me thinking about my 
own
>   > > > > (someday)
>   > > > telescope upgrade. I would like input from the ASKC visual 
observers
>   > > > about general advice on upgrading to a larger scope. My 
questions are
>   > > > dealing with visual only observation as I don't want to 
think about
>   > > > computerized scopes in this question. I haven't ruled them 
out, but
>   > > > want to know about the visual comparisons.
>   > > > >
>   > > > > To make investment in a larger scope worthwhile for a 
noticeable
>   > > increase
>   > > > in faint object visual observation, what would be the 
minimum
>   > > > recommended increase in aperture? In particular, I have an 
8" scope
>   > > > and I am assuming that if the day comes when my college 
bound kids
>   > > > don't get most of my money, I should go up to at least a 
12" scope.
>   > > > Would that be a correct assessment?
>   > > > >
>   > > > > Also, strictly from a visual observational point, would 
there be any
>   > > > significant advantage of one type of scope versus another? 
Ignoring
>   > > > cost and equatorial/computerized stuff, what would be the 
visual
>   > > > observation tradeoffs of upgrading to a Schimdt-Cassegrain 
versus a
>   > > > Dobsonian versus a Newtonian reflector versus a Schmitdt-
Newtonian?
>   > > > >
>   > > > > Don't worry about me screwing up the viewing conditions 
with a new
>   > > > > toy
>   > > > purchase in the near future, but I figure dreaming 
shouldn't mess up
>   > > > the weather too badly.
>   > > > >
>   > > > > Rick Henderson
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I uploaded a calendar that I created in autocad.  I try to update it 
each year.  It should have the most popular dates/events marked for 
our region. 

Please take a look and let me know of any mistakes.

Thanks,

Joe

O2 regulators have a different thread to differentiate them from 
Nitrogen or Argon regulators, etc.  The most important thing is to 
not use a regulator or plumbing that has flammable contaminants 
within.  Explosions can result.

An alternate source of breathable O2 is what is known as a medical 
oxygen concentrator.  It uses a molecular sieve and pressure cycling 
to extract the oxygen from  ambient air.  The major benefit is that 
the pressure is very low compared to a cylinder: 75psi (max) 
internally, and only one or two psi at the cannula attachment 
port.  Downside is that they have a small motor driven compressor 
inside, so AC power is needed.

The FDA regulates these devices, and they are not supposed to be sold 
without a prescription.

Roger


At 04:47 PM 2007.01.02, you wrote:
>Actually the O2 is a compressed gas. The acetylene is a liquid that
>evaporates as you use it. The O2 is usually around 2500 psi in a new bottle.
>A broken tank valve will fire an O2 bottle through a wall with ease. Welding
>O2 is not as pure as medical O2 and would at the very least require some
>serious filtering. Keep in mind that O2  GREATLY accelerates combustion.
>Remember the Apollo fire on the pad that killed 3 guys. Pure O2 is not to be
>trifled with.
>
>If you are serious about wanting to play, I have a couple of old regulators
>that I could leave outside the door to promote mysterious disappearence.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "George Allen" <geonjod@...>
>To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 4:05 PM
>Subject: RE: RE: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation
>
>
> > I don't know what the side effects of using pure oxygen would be for an
> > otherwise healthy person.  There are O2 bars in the more enlightened parts
> > of the nation and it doesn't seem to hurt them.  I've been told it lessons
> > a hangover real fast.  For economy sake you can buy welding oxygen for
>much
> > less than medical stuff and I can't see what the difference is except
> > price.  Cannula can be bought at any medical supply house.  The only other
> > thing you would need is a regulator and maybe a flow meter, both from a
> > welding store.  Be advised O2 bottles come with 3000 psi and liquid oxygen
> > inside. If you decide to try this, contact me or any welder offline re
> > handling of O2 bottles.  They can be deadly.
> >
> > You will need to reduce this to around 2 psi by the use of a 2-stage
> > regulator, found on any good welding rig.  Maybe David Y. has a couple
> > laying around?
> >
> > A rich supply of oxygen would have to 'hyper' your retina.  The first
>naked
> > eye recovery of Haley was done with a bottle of oxygen, or so I was told,
> > from the top of Mauna Kea, where O2 is a good idea anyway.
> >
> > Any medicos in the group want to comment (under a nom de plume,  of
>course)?
> >
> > What we won't do for a dimmer and fuzzier!  BTW, this is not a new idea.
> >
> > Geo.
> >
> >
> >
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: Dave Fox <sm20@...>
> > > To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Date: 1/2/2007 3:37:08 PM
> > > Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] RE: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual
>Observation
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Some more dedicated observers use medical oxygen I hear."
> > >
> > > Hmmmmmmmm... Could this be another tool to use?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> > George
> > > Allen
> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 2:32 PM
> > > To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: RE: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation
> > >
> > > Rick,
> > >
> > > If you are going for a visual scope I think you can rule out any SCT
> > because
> > > of that 25% secondary, leaving Newtonian or more exotic Cassegrains.
> > >
> > > Let's mention a couple other things you shall never see in a slick paper
> > > magazine ad.  Your health and age is a big factor.  It is worthwhile to
> > > learn what your maximum eye pupil size is before buying EP's.  We talk
> > about
> > > 7mm as the common size, but a kid can make 9mm, while an old fart like
>me
> > > can barely hit 5mm.
> > >
> > > If you smoke, have heart disease, diabetes, do any vasoconstrictor drugs
> > > (legal or otherwise), drink before observing or have any condition that
> > > restricts breathing, your ability to see what the scope delivers is
> > > diminished, in some cases, greatly.  When I got diabetes I figure I lost
>a
> > > magnitude of seeing, and what dark adaption remains, now takes over
>twice
> > as
> > > long to acquire.  Your eye needs a good supply of oxygen to work at it's
> > > peak.  Some more dedicated observers use medical oxygen I hear.
> > >
> > > I recall you are no longer a kid, so in a few years you will wonder how
> > you
> > > lifted some of the things you now consider lightweight.  Sometime during
> > my
> > > 50's all the stuff I own got a lot heavier.  Strange how that happened.
> > > And I got a lot heavier, too.  The result is that while I once would
>drag
> > my
> > > C14 out and set it up alone,  I must now have a helper.  So if you
>should
> > > buy a rig that you can barely handle now, it is only a short time before
> > you
> > > might need a partner.  At any rate, there is no question that the times
>a
> > > scope will be put to use is inversely proportionate to it's cumbersome
> > > factor.
> > >
> > > Your eye pupil size can be measured with a camera.  We once did that as
>a
> > > club fun thing.  Made slides of eyeballs with a mm stick in the picture,
> > > after sitting in the dark 15 minutes.  Are those slides still around???
> > >
> > > Geo.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > [Original Message]
> > > > From: Dick Harshaw <dwharshaw@...>
> > > > To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Date: 1/2/2007 1:12:42 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation
> > > >
> > > > Thanks, George, for adding the secondary obstruction point to the
> > > > discussion.  I overlooked that in my first post to Rick.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dick H
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >   _____
> > > >
> > > > From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> > > George
> > > > Allen
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 11:14 AM
> > > > To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: RE: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Rick,
> > > >
> > > > There is a lot more than diameter of the system. For instance, a 6"
> > > > refractor will demolish an 8" SCT of the same quality, due to the huge
> > > > central obstruction of the latter.
> > > >
> > > > In any Newtonian, as the F ratio is higher, the allowable size of the
> > > > visual diagonal is reduced, thereby increasing contrast and reducing
> > > > diffraction. A low focuser will add to this effect by allowing the
> > > diagonal
> > > > to be placed closer to the focuser, consequently smaller.
> > > >
> > > > In a refractor or long Newtonian, the open end of the tube is further
> > > > from the observer's body heat, decreasing perturbation of the incoming
> > > > light shaft.
> > > >
> > > > Your decision to go visual allows you to use a much smaller secondary
> > > > and illuminate only a point. This means a lot in planetary and double
> > > > star work. Since commercial scopes usually go for "all purpose" they
> > > > use an imaging or compromise diagonal size.
> > > >
> > > > There is a lot to consider when going for that perfect scope. But size
> > > > matters, too. ;-))
> > > >
> > > > Geo.
> > > >
> > > > > [Original Message]
> > > > > From: Rick Henderson <rhenderson1@ <mailto:rhenderson1%40kc.rr.com>
> > > > kc.rr.com>
> > > > > To: <ASKC@yahoogroups. <mailto:ASKC%40yahoogroups.com> com>
> > > > > Date: 1/1/2007 9:51:56 PM
> > > > > Subject: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation
> > > > >
> > > > > The mirrors discussion thread, got me thinking about my own
> > > > > (someday)
> > > > telescope upgrade. I would like input from the ASKC visual observers
> > > > about general advice on upgrading to a larger scope. My questions are
> > > > dealing with visual only observation as I don't want to think about
> > > > computerized scopes in this question. I haven't ruled them out, but
> > > > want to know about the visual comparisons.
> > > > >
> > > > > To make investment in a larger scope worthwhile for a noticeable
> > > increase
> > > > in faint object visual observation, what would be the minimum
> > > > recommended increase in aperture? In particular, I have an 8" scope
> > > > and I am assuming that if the day comes when my college bound kids
> > > > don't get most of my money, I should go up to at least a 12" scope.
> > > > Would that be a correct assessment?
> > > > >
> > > > > Also, strictly from a visual observational point, would there be any
> > > > significant advantage of one type of scope versus another? Ignoring
> > > > cost and equatorial/computerized stuff, what would be the visual
> > > > observation tradeoffs of upgrading to a Schimdt-Cassegrain versus a
> > > > Dobsonian versus a Newtonian reflector versus a Schmitdt-Newtonian?
> > > > >
> > > > > Don't worry about me screwing up the viewing conditions with a new
> > > > > toy
> > > > purchase in the near future, but I figure dreaming shouldn't mess up
> > > > the weather too badly.
> > > > >
> > > > > Rick Henderson
> > > > >
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Do we have a backup weekend planned if the March 17 weekend doesn't work
out?  The weekend before or after?

Leif


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David,

How about a reciprocating saw?  That would work!

Neta

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "David Young" <dyoung8@...> wrote:
>
> I have a cutting torch and a sledge hammer. I can get in.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <mikekansascity@...>
> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 7:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [ASKC] Re: DSS-Outhouse
> 
> 
> > locked doors ...   sooooo .... if someone forgets to unlock a  
door - what
> > shall we do to unlock it from the outside?    ...   a hidden 
key?   ...
> or
> > does it have one of  those little round holes in the middle of 
the knob
> that
> > allows the door to be  unlocked with a wire, nail, paperclip, 
etc?
> > Sterling
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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>

When I was in college (the old chalk and slate board days), one of the guys
in our physics group claimed that using LSD helped him see all kinds of
amazing things, even in the daylight.  But I don't think he was speaking of
astronomical sights (unless he was thinking about the last 20 minutes of
2001:  A SPACE ODYSSEY).

 

Dick H

:^)

 

 

 

  _____  

From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Roger
Gruenke
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 11:12 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: RE: [ASKC] Aperture Size and Visual Observation

 

O2 regulators have a different thread to differentiate them from 
Nitrogen or Argon regulators, etc. The most important thing is to 
not use a regulator or plumbing that has flammable contaminants 
within. Explosions can result.

An alternate source of breathable O2 is what is known as a medical 
oxygen concentrator. It uses a molecular sieve and pressure cycling 
to extract the oxygen from ambient air. The major benefit is that 
the pressure is very low compared to a cylinder: 75psi (max) 
internally, and only one or two psi at the cannula attachment 
port. Downside is that they have a small motor driven compressor 
inside, so AC power is needed.

The FDA regulates these devices, and they are not supposed to be sold 
without a prescription.

Roger






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--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Wright" <jswright@...> wrote:
> I uploaded a calendar that I created in autocad.  I try to update it 
> each year.  It should have the most popular dates/events marked for 
> our region. 
> Please take a look and let me know of any mistakes.

Image size/resolution is way too small.
Can't read any of it, except the bug stuff
When trying to increase size, pixelization occurs.


Rob

You're ahead of me.  I couldn't even *find* it.

--- In ASKC@...m, "sc285" <webmaster@...> wrote:
>
> --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Wright" <jswright@> wrote:
> > I uploaded a calendar that I created in autocad.  I try to update 
it 
> > each year.  It should have the most popular dates/events marked 
for 
> > our region. 
> > Please take a look and let me know of any mistakes.
> 
> Image size/resolution is way too small.
> Can't read any of it, except the bug stuff
> When trying to increase size, pixelization occurs.
> 
> 
> Rob
>

     I got on the cal sky link today and found that it was unavailable
to any one other than in german and in germany. That was a direct
quote. Does this happen routinely or was it just a fluke thing? 
     I also wanted to mention that the information posted concerning
the information needed for the scope building has been very
informative. I wanted to get opinions on the truss version of the
dobs. I found a couple sites with home built truss models. It seems
they would eliminate  some of the size issues along with some of the
weight.  Does anyone have a history of building this type?
   What will be the subject for the January general meeting?

> 
> An alternate source of breathable O2 is what is known as a medical 
> oxygen concentrator. 

My mother uses one. She would probably notice if we took it away. 

Darrick:  There are plenty of folks in the club who have built truss 
type scopes.  I've done 4 or 5 and am doing another one.

Tom Martinez

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Darrick" <earthdude123@...> wrote:
>
>      I got on the cal sky link today and found that it was unavailable
> to any one other than in german and in germany. That was a direct
> quote. Does this happen routinely or was it just a fluke thing? 
>      I also wanted to mention that the information posted concerning
> the information needed for the scope building has been very
> informative. I wanted to get opinions on the truss version of the
> dobs. I found a couple sites with home built truss models. It seems
> they would eliminate  some of the size issues along with some of the
> weight.  Does anyone have a history of building this type?
>    What will be the subject for the January general meeting?
>

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Manifold" <jaymanifold@...> wrote:
>
> You're ahead of me.  I couldn't even *find* it.

On the Yahoo ASKC site, under the FILES section:
Filename: AstroCal-2007.jpg 


Rob

The electronic CM has been sent. If you are expecting a copy but don't have one by Thursday evening, better get in touch with me to see what's up.

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Duh.  Got it.  Yeah, pixelization's pretty bad.

Joe, how much of a pain would it be to do a separate one for each 
month?  Or is it possible to save it in a larger format for 
readability?  (It's 1600 x 1280 and 336 kB now, though, so maybe 
separate months is a better idea.)  Also, does the HoASP start on 
Tuesday the 12th instead of Thursday the 14th of June?  I guessed 6/14 
when I threw together that article for the CM but have since heard 
6/12 a couple of times.


--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "sc285" <webmaster@...> wrote:
>
> --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Manifold" <jaymanifold@> wrote:
> >
> > You're ahead of me.  I couldn't even *find* it.
> 
> On the Yahoo ASKC site, under the FILES section:
> Filename: AstroCal-2007.jpg 
> 
> 
> Rob
>

Has anyone else found Jackie's note in the February issue of Astronomy
magazine?

I also see our old friend Susan Carroll put in a word too.

Listed under "Big bang for your astronomy bucks"


"We've heard that a million monkeys at a million keyboards could produce the
complete works of Shakespeare; now, thanks to the Internet, we know that is
not true." 
  - Robert Wilensky

Great download David. Thanks
Shelley

-----Original Message-----
From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Fox
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 2:45 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ASKC] free book

Thanks, I have 2006 and been waiting on 2007 to come out.

D Fox 



-----Original Message-----
From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of George
Allen
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 2:35 PM
To: ASKC YAHOO
Subject: [ASKC] free book

This comes from USENET and look pretty good.  While it can be downloaded
free (24mb) it can also be purchased.  Anyone ever used this?  Looks pretty
well organized and full of interesting things to guide the reader along, day
by day.

Geo.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Greetings, Fellow SkyWatchers!

Are you looking for all the best of what's up in the night sky for the year
2007? Then be my guest and download my free e.book - "365 Days of
SkyWatching"!

http://www.astrowhatsup.com/download-the-book/

Each day is specifically geared to give you the best of what can be seen
with the unaided eye, binoculars, small telescopes and even challenge
objects for seasoned observers. It's beautifully illustrated and contains
many special features, such as anotated lunar maps. Please feel free to pass
it along to anyone in the astronomy community and enjoy!!

Light Speed,

~Tammy Plotner

President
Warren Rupp Observatory

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I have 2 5 gal buckets of I think exterior off white paint around here
somewhere. I will look and see if it's still good but it's been inside and
sealed so it should be ok if you want it.
Shelley

-----Original Message-----
From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of larry
goode
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 11:00 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Re: DSS paint

  We can always come back and put on a coat of white on the outside 
later if we need to .Lets go for it .Do we need rollers and pans.

   Larry G


-- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Darrick" <earthdude123@...> wrote:
>
>    Freezing in the can in storage is bad for paint. This paint has
> never been exposed to such temperatures. The only temperature other
> than the storage issue, is the application temp. The manufacturer 
says
> 50 degrees, I told my guy we were doing it this week, he told me 
to go
> for it. It will just slow down the drying time. 
> 
> 
> --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Randy Thompson" <randiwe269@> wrote:
> >
> >     I only have one concern. Some paints don't react well if they
> are frozen. I don't know if that is frozen before being painted 
and/or
> after being painted on wood before it cures for a good length of 
time.
> You might check the Mfg's temp. suggestions.
> > Randy
> >   ----- Original Message ----- 
> >   From: Darrick 
> >   To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
> >   Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 6:27 PM
> >   Subject: [ASKC] DSS paint
> > 
> > 
> >   I have paint for the toilet, 5 gallons. He has a multiple of
> >   interior colors but I went with an incredible light gray. His
> >   professional opinion was that it will work just fine on the 
exterior
> >   provided there are 2-3 coats. Let me know something concerning 
this
> >   please.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >    
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>






 
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I hope everyone had a great holiday. I just glad everyone is back to work
and school LOL!

Mike I'm jealous but I can't wait to see the new toys. 

 

I had a rough time with 2 kids being gone. Jessie called Christmas morning
crying her eyes out she was so homesick. But I guess she went to the beach
and got over it She says she can't find any dark skies in Hawaii so she
hasn't had a chance to check out the southern views yet. She will have to
get up into the mountains I think to get away from the lights. I am sending
her car to her this month so she will be able to get around a little more.

 

On a sad note Amy's Uncle died on Christmas day. He was a wonderful man and
the world will be a dimmer place without him. She is doing ok but if you
want you can drop her line.

 

New Years day was fun! Peaches gave birth to 11 puppies. Kevin and I had
just finished building the whelping box. I mean 30 mins before she went into
labor HAHA.

She wasn't due until the 5th. Surprise and Happy New Year! Having 13 golden
retrievers in the house should help cure the empty nest syndrome. 

 

I'll see you all at the meeting this month I hope.

 

Cheers and Happy New Year!!!

Shelley

 

 

 

 

 

 



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Probably not.  The New Moon falls on Sunday, March 18.  The weekend before and after will have too much Moon.

We could always do it on the New Moon weekend of April (April 13-15).  All 110 may not be visible in one night, but there still will be well over 100.

-scott

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: "Leif Bahl" <leifbahl@...> 
Do we have a backup weekend planned if the March 17 weekend doesn't work
out? The weekend before or after?

Leif

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Heck - I saw Susan's, but didn't see mine.   What page?

 

      Jackie Beucher

    EMJ - Kansas City

       800-821-2500

     Fax: 816-241-3677

Computer Fax: 630-635-4043

________________________________

From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Dave Fox
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 9:36 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Astronomy Magazine

 

Has anyone else found Jackie's note in the February issue of Astronomy
magazine?

I also see our old friend Susan Carroll put in a word too.

Listed under "Big bang for your astronomy bucks"

"We've heard that a million monkeys at a million keyboards could produce
the
complete works of Shakespeare; now, thanks to the Internet, we know that
is
not true." 
- Robert Wilensky

 



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See below for the date on the ICSTARS Star Party.

 

      Jackie Beucher

    EMJ - Kansas City

       800-821-2500

     Fax: 816-241-3677

Computer Fax: 630-635-4043

________________________________

From: Vic Winter [mailto:vwinter@...] 
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 11:06 AM
To: Beucher, Jackie
Subject: Re: FW: [ASKC] New Year - Calendar dates

 

Jackie,

Looks like Oct. 4-7 will be the date for the icstars star party this
year.

Vic







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It's at home, Same page you are first then Susan later.

Dave

Does anyone know if Amy will be at the Board Meeting next Thursday night?

Got a check for her and am wondering if quicker to mail it, or wait.

-scott

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Darrik Gray got us a 5gal bucket of real light gray paint,which is 
in my posession at this time. I also have the metal boxes for toilet 
paper at DSS in my truck. Still looking foe someone that likes to 
paint.OK does not mind painting.

Larry G








--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Shelley Granger" <sgranger@...> wrote:
>
> I have 2 5 gal buckets of I think exterior off white paint around 
here
> somewhere. I will look and see if it's still good but it's been 
inside and
> sealed so it should be ok if you want it.
> Shelley
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of larry
> goode
> Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 11:00 PM
> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [ASKC] Re: DSS paint
> 
>   We can always come back and put on a coat of white on the 
outside 
> later if we need to .Lets go for it .Do we need rollers and pans.
> 
>    Larry G
> 
> 
> -- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Darrick" <earthdude123@> wrote:
> >
> >    Freezing in the can in storage is bad for paint. This paint 
has
> > never been exposed to such temperatures. The only temperature 
other
> > than the storage issue, is the application temp. The 
manufacturer 
> says
> > 50 degrees, I told my guy we were doing it this week, he told me 
> to go
> > for it. It will just slow down the drying time. 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Randy Thompson" <randiwe269@> 
wrote:
> > >
> > >     I only have one concern. Some paints don't react well if 
they
> > are frozen. I don't know if that is frozen before being painted 
> and/or
> > after being painted on wood before it cures for a good length of 
> time.
> > You might check the Mfg's temp. suggestions.
> > > Randy
> > >   ----- Original Message ----- 
> > >   From: Darrick 
> > >   To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
> > >   Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 6:27 PM
> > >   Subject: [ASKC] DSS paint
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   I have paint for the toilet, 5 gallons. He has a multiple of
> > >   interior colors but I went with an incredible light gray. His
> > >   professional opinion was that it will work just fine on the 
> exterior
> > >   provided there are 2-3 coats. Let me know something 
concerning 
> this
> > >   please.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >    
> > > 
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
>  
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>

Another question: what room will the meeting be in?

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, s.kranz1@... wrote:
>
> Does anyone know if Amy will be at the Board Meeting next Thursday 
night?
> 
> Got a check for her and am wondering if quicker to mail it, or wait.
> 
> -scott
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Pg. 71, Top of 3rd col. 

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Beucher, Jackie
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 10:18 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ASKC] Astronomy Magazine

Heck - I saw Susan's, but didn't see mine.   What page?

 

      Jackie Beucher

    EMJ - Kansas City

       800-821-2500

     Fax: 816-241-3677

Computer Fax: 630-635-4043

________________________________

From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Fox
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 9:36 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Astronomy Magazine

 

Has anyone else found Jackie's note in the February issue of Astronomy
magazine?

I also see our old friend Susan Carroll put in a word too.

Listed under "Big bang for your astronomy bucks"

"We've heard that a million monkeys at a million keyboards could produce the
complete works of Shakespeare; now, thanks to the Internet, we know that is
not true." 
- Robert Wilensky

 



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Yahoo! Groups Links

I would not mind painting,  I have all day Sat. Open after 10:30am.  Plus
1.5 hours makes it about Noon.

Do I need to bring a brush or two?  
Then maybe do  another coat on Sunday?

David Fox


.. Still looking foe someone that likes to paint.OK does not mind painting.

Larry G

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Diana Abitz 
To: David Young 
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 11:48 AM
Subject: Barstow Science Night


Hi David!

This may be my last science night and I just couldn't imagine planning it with out you guys and your telescopes.

This year it will be March 7th at the Barstow School, 11511 State Line Road.  I had a poster made two years ago and it says it will start at 6:00 but it may say 6:30.  When it is found I'll be more specific!

Dinner is of course included.

Please let me know if anyone is interested.

Thanks for your continued support.
Diana Abitz
Barstow Science Night Chairman
913-649-9217

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She says she can't find any dark skies in Hawaii so she
> hasn't had a chance to check out the southern views yet. She will have to
> get up into the mountains I think to get away from the lights. I am
sending
> her car to her this month so she will be able to get around a little more.


If she's on the big Island it's pretty dark down at South Point. Nothing to
the south until you get to Antartica! I used to be able to get to dark sky
with a 15 minute drive from Kona on the big Island or from Kaanapali. Can't
help with Oahu or Kauai. It's been a few years since I've been back so more
development may have trashed all the sky.

That's right in my neighborhood.  I'll help.

Rick Henderson

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: David Young 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 7:19 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] Fw: Barstow Science Night



  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Diana Abitz 
  To: David Young 
  Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 11:48 AM
  Subject: Barstow Science Night

  Hi David!

  This may be my last science night and I just couldn't imagine planning it with out you guys and your telescopes.

  This year it will be March 7th at the Barstow School, 11511 State Line Road. I had a poster made two years ago and it says it will start at 6:00 but it may say 6:30. When it is found I'll be more specific!

  Dinner is of course included.

  Please let me know if anyone is interested.

  Thanks for your continued support.
  Diana Abitz
  Barstow Science Night Chairman
  913-649-9217

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Did you all note Doug Zubenal's all-sky photo in the Feb. 07 (AKA 
November 2006) Sky & Tel article on "Black Auroras"?
On Jan 4, 2007, at 10:18 AM, Beucher, Jackie wrote:

> Heck - I saw Susan's, but didn't see mine. What page?
>
>  Jackie Beucher
>
>  EMJ - Kansas City
>
>  800-821-2500
>
>  Fax: 816-241-3677
>
>  Computer Fax: 630-635-4043
>
>  ________________________________
>
>  From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
>  Dave Fox
>  Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 9:36 AM
>  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
>  Subject: [ASKC] Astronomy Magazine
>
>  Has anyone else found Jackie's note in the February issue of Astronomy
>  magazine?
>
>  I also see our old friend Susan Carroll put in a word too.
>
>  Listed under "Big bang for your astronomy bucks"
>
>  "We've heard that a million monkeys at a million keyboards could 
> produce
>  the
>  complete works of Shakespeare; now, thanks to the Internet, we know 
> that
>  is
>  not true."
>  - Robert Wilensky
>
>  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>  
>   

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Fortunately, DST does not begin until the following Sunday.

Venus and Saturn will be nicely placed.  Double Cluster, M31, and M42 
should all be good as well.

---

U.S. Naval Observatory
Astronomical Applications Department

Sun and Moon Data for One Day
The following information is provided for Kansas City, Jackson 
County, Missouri (longitude W94.5, latitude N39.0): 

        Wednesday
        7 March 2007          Central Standard Time          

                         SUN
        Begin civil twilight       6:16 a.m.                 
        Sunrise                    6:42 a.m.                 
        Sun transit               12:29 p.m.                 
        Sunset                     6:17 p.m.                 
        End civil twilight         6:44 p.m.                 

                         MOON
        Moonrise                   9:08 p.m. on preceding day
        Moon transit               2:41 a.m.                 
        Moonset                    8:05 a.m.                 
        Moonrise                  10:08 p.m.                 
        Moonset                    8:29 a.m. on following day

Phase of the Moon on 7 March:   waning gibbous with 88% of the Moon's 
visible disk illuminated. 

Full Moon on 3 March 2007 at 5:17 p.m. Central Standard Time. 


--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Henderson" <rhenderson1@...> wrote:
>
> That's right in my neighborhood.  I'll help.
> 
> Rick Henderson
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: David Young 
>   To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 7:19 PM
>   Subject: [ASKC] Fw: Barstow Science Night
> 
> 
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Diana Abitz 
>   To: David Young 
>   Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 11:48 AM
>   Subject: Barstow Science Night
> 
>   Hi David!
> 
>   This may be my last science night and I just couldn't imagine 
planning it with out you guys and your telescopes.
> 
>   This year it will be March 7th at the Barstow School, 11511 State 
Line Road. I had a poster made two years ago and it says it will 
start at 6:00 but it may say 6:30. When it is found I'll be more 
specific!
> 
>   Dinner is of course included.
> 
>   Please let me know if anyone is interested.
> 
>   Thanks for your continued support.
>   Diana Abitz
>   Barstow Science Night Chairman
>   913-649-9217
> 
>   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
> 
> 
>    
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

I might be able to help out, but will need to see as the date gets 
closer.  No telling what my boys' school will have going by then.

Neta

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "David Young" <dyoung8@...> wrote:
>
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Diana Abitz 
> To: David Young 
> Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 11:48 AM
> Subject: Barstow Science Night
> 
> 
> Hi David!
> 
> This may be my last science night and I just couldn't imagine 
planning it with out you guys and your telescopes.
> 
> This year it will be March 7th at the Barstow School, 11511 State 
Line Road.  I had a poster made two years ago and it says it will 
start at 6:00 but it may say 6:30.  When it is found I'll be more 
specific!
> 
> Dinner is of course included.
> 
> Please let me know if anyone is interested.
> 
> Thanks for your continued support.
> Diana Abitz
> Barstow Science Night Chairman
> 913-649-9217
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Same here .

Dave Fox

Subject: [ASKC] Re: Fw: Barstow Science Night

I might be able to help out, but will need to see as the date gets closer.
No telling what my boys' school will have going by then.

Neta

Larry,

Lee's Summit is a little wet today, not sure how wet it is down at the Dark
sky site.

I'll keep an eye for your email, if you want me to put a coat of paint on
Sat and/or Sunday.

Dave

Life Christian Academy, located on Cookingham Road about 3 or 4 mile east of
the Airport (KCI) has requested folks from the ASKC to help with a star
party on Monday, January 22, at 6:00 pm.  The school will be donating $100
to ASKC for this.  They will have 30 sixth-graders, plus the kids's parents.


 

I could use some help with this event.  Between 6:00 and 6:30, we are
planning on building the tennis ball/penny/string earth/moon models that Joe
showed us last year to demonstrate lunar cycles and eclipses, then start
viewing as it gets dark, ending around 8:30 (since the next day is a school
day).  The school has a large paved parking lot (the lights will be turned
off by the custodian that night), and 120-v power is available, but if you
need power, you'll need to bring your own extension cords.  It sits on a
ridge, so there is good visibility to all horizons.

 

If you can help out, let me know as soon as possible by replying to
dwharshaw at kc dot rr dot com.   (This would be a good chance for the
northlanders to assist and help out the ASKC at the same time.)

 

 

Dick Harshaw

KC, MO

 

Twinkle, twinkle, quasi-star,

    Biggest puzzle from afar.

How unlike the other ones,

   Brighter than a billion suns.

Twinkle, twinkle, quasi-star,

    Biggest puzzle from afar.

 

                     -- George Gamow (1904-1968)

 



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The siding on the outside has a coat of primer on it so it's not 
critical that it is painted in the next week or so.The worst part 
about working on the toilet in this type of weather is the fact that 
there is no grass for about 10 feet around it so you are forced to 
trudge through the mud if it is wet.Your feet can get really big and 
heavy.Does not look too good for this weekend.

Larry G 






--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Fox" <sm20@...> wrote:
>
> Larry,
> 
> Lee's Summit is a little wet today, not sure how wet it is down at 
the Dark
> sky site.
> 
> I'll keep an eye for your email, if you want me to put a coat of 
paint on
> Sat and/or Sunday.
> 
> Dave
>

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "David Young" <dyoung8@...> wrote:
>
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Diana Abitz 
> To: David Young 
> Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 11:48 AM
> Subject: Barstow Science Night
> 
> 
> Hi David!
> 
> This may be my last science night and I just couldn't imagine 
planning it with out you guys and your telescopes.
> 
> This year it will be March 7th at the Barstow School, 11511 State 
Line Road.  I had a poster made two years ago and it says it will 
start at 6:00 but it may say 6:30.  When it is found I'll be more 
specific!
> 
> Dinner is of course included.
> 
> Please let me know if anyone is interested.
> 
> Thanks for your continued support.
> Diana Abitz
> Barstow Science Night Chairman
> 913-649-9217
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Not a problem. I'll wait.
I have plywood for the mud. ;-}
Anyone put out any seed yet?

Dave



-----Original Message-----
From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of larry
goode
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 12:42 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Re: DSS paint

The siding on the outside has a coat of primer on it so it's not critical
that it is painted in the next week or so.The worst part about working on
the toilet in this type of weather is the fact that there is no grass for
about 10 feet around it so you are forced to trudge through the mud if it is
wet.Your feet can get really big and heavy.Does not look too good for this
weekend.

Larry G 

Yep she tried the mountains and says its just as bad. She is going to take a
trip to some others this weekend. Its only 12.00 to fly to them and she
wants to see the lava flows to. As soon as I sell enough puppies tomatoes
plants and eggs I will get to go lol

-----Original Message-----
From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David
Young
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 7:29 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Thank God it's over

She says she can't find any dark skies in Hawaii so she
> hasn't had a chance to check out the southern views yet. She will have to
> get up into the mountains I think to get away from the lights. I am
sending
> her car to her this month so she will be able to get around a little more.


If she's on the big Island it's pretty dark down at South Point. Nothing to
the south until you get to Antartica! I used to be able to get to dark sky
with a 15 minute drive from Kona on the big Island or from Kaanapali. Can't
help with Oahu or Kauai. It's been a few years since I've been back so more
development may have trashed all the sky.






 
Yahoo! Groups Links

No grass seed put down yet because more landscaping will be done when it dries and the dirt settles a bit more.
-scott

--
The Golden Rule of Astronomy - “If you own a telescope, you have a moral obligation to share the view!” - John Dobson

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: "Dave Fox" <sm20@...> 
Not a problem. I'll wait.
I have plywood for the mud. ;-}
Anyone put out any seed yet?

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of larry
goode
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 12:42 PM
To: ASKC@...m
Subject: [ASKC] Re: DSS paint

The siding on the outside has a coat of primer on it so it's not critical
that it is painted in the next week or so.The worst part about working on
the toilet in this type of weather is the fact that there is no grass for
about 10 feet around it so you are forced to trudge through the mud if it is
wet.Your feet can get really big and heavy.Does not look too good for this
weekend.

Larry G 


 

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I was given your email address by HMS Beagle in Kansas City. I've been an amatuer astronomer for about three years. Due to poor eyesight problems I'm being forced to sale my telescope. I was hoping that you might be able to help me to sale it. It's a LX90 with a case of Meade lens. It's still in the original box. I bought it about three years ago. I've used it about approx. 12 times. Sincerely
Rodney W. Clowdus
rclowdus@...
660 937 2226



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There's also some inter island ferrys. This time of year the humbacks are
around and if they come close to the ship the ship has to cut engines and
drift. If a whale decides to play around the boat you can be adrift for
hours. The inter island air fares are ridicuously low.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Shelley Granger" <sgranger@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 2:42 PM
Subject: RE: [ASKC] Thank God it's over


> Yep she tried the mountains and says its just as bad. She is going to take
a
> trip to some others this weekend. Its only 12.00 to fly to them and she
> wants to see the lava flows to. As soon as I sell enough puppies tomatoes
> plants and eggs I will get to go lol
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
David
> Young
> Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 7:29 PM
> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [ASKC] Thank God it's over
>
> She says she can't find any dark skies in Hawaii so she
> > hasn't had a chance to check out the southern views yet. She will have
to
> > get up into the mountains I think to get away from the lights. I am
> sending
> > her car to her this month so she will be able to get around a little
more.
>
>
> If she's on the big Island it's pretty dark down at South Point. Nothing
to
> the south until you get to Antartica! I used to be able to get to dark sky
> with a 15 minute drive from Kona on the big Island or from Kaanapali.
Can't
> help with Oahu or Kauai. It's been a few years since I've been back so
more
> development may have trashed all the sky.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Scott put 200lb of grass seed on the observing field and it has a 
real good start. We haven't done anything around the toilet becaus 
of settlement ,and we knew we would have to re-grade and fill around 
it.

 Larry G






--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Fox" <sm20@...> wrote:
>
> Not a problem. I'll wait.
> I have plywood for the mud. ;-}
> Anyone put out any seed yet?
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of larry
> goode
> Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 12:42 PM
> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [ASKC] Re: DSS paint
> 
> The siding on the outside has a coat of primer on it so it's not 
critical
> that it is painted in the next week or so.The worst part about 
working on
> the toilet in this type of weather is the fact that there is no 
grass for
> about 10 feet around it so you are forced to trudge through the 
mud if it is
> wet.Your feet can get really big and heavy.Does not look too good 
for this
> weekend.
> 
> Larry G
>

I can help at Barstow on the seventh.

Larry G









--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "larry goode" <lagoode916@...> wrote:
>
> Scott put 200lb of grass seed on the observing field and it has a 
> real good start. We haven't done anything around the toilet becaus 
> of settlement ,and we knew we would have to re-grade and fill 
around 
> it.
> 
>  Larry G
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Fox" <sm20@> wrote:
> >
> > Not a problem. I'll wait.
> > I have plywood for the mud. ;-}
> > Anyone put out any seed yet?
> > 
> > Dave
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On 
Behalf 
> Of larry
> > goode
> > Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 12:42 PM
> > To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [ASKC] Re: DSS paint
> > 
> > The siding on the outside has a coat of primer on it so it's not 
> critical
> > that it is painted in the next week or so.The worst part about 
> working on
> > the toilet in this type of weather is the fact that there is no 
> grass for
> > about 10 feet around it so you are forced to trudge through the 
> mud if it is
> > wet.Your feet can get really big and heavy.Does not look too 
good 
> for this
> > weekend.
> > 
> > Larry G
> >
>

 
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re   The Golden Rule of Astronomy - “If you own a telescope, you  have a 
moral obligation to share the view!� - John Dobson
 
or ....
even if you don't own one - if you have a great club and /or  individuals - 
you can still see and share the views!!!
 
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hmmmm   whasa humback? maybe humpback?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Young" <dyoung8@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Thank God it's over


> There's also some inter island ferrys. This time of year the humbacks are
> around 

> Another question: what room will the meeting be in?

No sense getting there early, the locationof the meeting is subject to
change at the last second:-).

Version 6, level IV.  But Rick H has a good point-the differences between 5
and 6 are minimal.  TheSky 5 is actually easier to use than 6.  The only
major difference is that 6 has more realistic star displays (fuzzy edges to
bright stars, not solid, sharp disks).

 

Dick H

 

 

  _____  

From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of George
Allen
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 8:44 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ASKC] software, SKY vs. GUIDE

 

Thanks, Dick. This is Version 5.0, Level IV. Is that a newer version? 

JoDee

> [Original Message]
> From: Dick Harshaw <dwharshaw@kc. <mailto:dwharshaw%40kc.rr.com> rr.com>
> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups. <mailto:ASKC%40yahoogroups.com> com>
> Date: 1/2/2007 7:53:33 PM
> Subject: RE: [ASKC] software, SKY vs. GUIDE
>
> I've been using TheSky for 10 years and feel very comfortable with it,
> although the new version has some real quirks regarding screen and display
> options. But other folks are more comfortable with Guide, or Megastar.
> It's what you get used to, I suppose. 
>
> 
>
> I found that TheSky was easy to link to the digitized sky survey (although
> ALL the good programs do this now), but TheSky was doing it before anyone
> else. 
>
> 
>
> I use TheSky scope side to help me locate faint galaxies or small
> planetaries and it is a great tool for that. If you have the disk space,
it
> is well worth it to install the Guide Star Catalog. You can also install
> the UCAC catalog (it is much larger, and thus more space hungry) if you
want
> to plot stars to 21st magnitude.
>
> 
>
> Dick
>
> 
>
> 
>
> _____ 
>
> From: ASKC@yahoogroups. <mailto:ASKC%40yahoogroups.com> com
[mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups. <mailto:ASKC%40yahoogroups.com> com] On Behalf Of
George
> Allen
> Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 4:21 PM
> To: ASKC YAHOO
> Subject: [ASKC] software, SKY vs. GUIDE
>
> 
>
> Rick, since the PC JoDee bought from you at the party already had SKY
> installed, she started to play around with it, as well as GUIDE which we
had
> installed in our PC. Turns out they will both easily do what she wants,
and
> she says she feels like mastering SKY will be the easier task. We
downloaded
> the manual and printed it out, as well as found it on the directory. 
>
> Now is the time for anyone who feels compelled to do so to mention why
this
> is or is not a good idea, before the effort is spent to digest a useable
> command of the program. Neither looks to be as simple as using a book,
> planisphere and set of charts, but both programs contain a whale of a lot
> more data than any book.
>
> Geo.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> 
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

 



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I would like to sell my 14.5 in Starmaster telescope, along with eyepieces, case, observing 
stool, cover, wheel barrow wheels, etc.  I'm not sure how to go about this.  Any ideas?

Vera

OK, in case I don't find it, can someone nominate me to be a keyholder?

Jay

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "David Young" <dyoung8@...> wrote:
>
> 
> > Another question: what room will the meeting be in?
> 
> No sense getting there early, the locationof the meeting is subject 
to
> change at the last second:-).
>

Put an add on AstroMart and Cloudy Nights.
   
  Rick may also be able to help.
   
  Which  eyepieces do you have for sale?
   
  Good luck!
   
  Joel Falk

verapotash <verapotash@...> wrote:
          I would like to sell my 14.5 in Starmaster telescope, along with eyepieces, case, observing 
stool, cover, wheel barrow wheels, etc. I'm not sure how to go about this. Any ideas?

Vera



         

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as as member you can run an ad in the club newsletter for free. Let me 
know if you want to do that.
Marcia
On Jan 6, 2007, at 12:45 PM, verapotash wrote:

> I would like to sell my 14.5 in Starmaster telescope, along with 
> eyepieces, case, observing
>  stool, cover, wheel barrow wheels, etc. I'm not sure how to go about 
> this. Any ideas?
>
>  Vera
>
>  
>   

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Marcia, thanks for the suggestion.  Could you run an ad for my new 10 inch
Hardin Deep Space Hunter w/32mm, 25mm, 9mm, moon filter & 2X barlow, 2 inch
Crayford focuser, 8x50 finder, all the factory charts and paperwork? 
Assembled, but never used.  $725  George Allen

Thanks


> [Original Message]
> From: Marcia Young <mryoung@...>
> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: 1/6/2007 1:50:51 PM
> Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [ASKC] 14.5 inch Starmaster for sale
>
> as as member you can run an ad in the club newsletter for free. Let me 
> know if you want to do that.
> Marcia
> On Jan 6, 2007, at 12:45 PM, verapotash wrote:
>
> > I would like to sell my 14.5 in Starmaster telescope, along with 
> > eyepieces, case, observing
> >  stool, cover, wheel barrow wheels, etc. I'm not sure how to go about 
> > this. Any ideas?
> >
> >  Vera
> >
> >  
> >   
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
>  
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Sometimes we wait for a long time for a comet like Halley's in 1986 to come 
by and give us a show. But Halley's at it's best was only 3rd magnitude and was 
a disappointment. Our luck it comes by every 76 years but it decided to comet 
by this time too far away from Earth ( the worst pass I researched in 1000 
years).

But sometimes one comes from out of the blue, literally, and puts on a great 
and even better show.Comet McNaught (C/2006 P1) is here to watch while you can 
and before it leaves.


It first was discovered in August but now as this comet gets close to the Sun 
and Mercury it is really growing bright and putting on a show. The only 
problem, it is difficult to to spot as it is getting closer and closer to the sun.

It is very bright comet in the dawn sky now near the horizon. The trick is 
you have to have to find it.Now it is about 2nd magnitude which is as bright as 
most of the stars in the Big Dipper. But the brightness is spread around so 
they are more difficult to see then a star. But seeing the tail may help.

I tried this morning but could not see it. I will try again.

use spaceweather.com to see the latest photo, print and see a sky map where 
it is to catch a glimp

Comet McNaught (C/2006 P1) at its closest approach on Jan. 13th will be only 
0.17 AU away--much closer than Mercury (0.38 AU). It will then appear about 1 
degree near Mercury.
We hope that it does not completely burn up or fall apart as some comet do 
when they come close to the Sun.

Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), Olathe, KS: Member #2572 IMCA 
(International Meteorite Collectors Association) : E.O.A.S. (Earth, Oceans, Atmosphere 
and Space) Blog -<http://eoas-dreric1kansas.blogspot.com/>:State of Kansas 
Solar System Ambassador: Comet Observers Coordinator- Astronomy   League/ 
Astronomical Society of Kansas, KC, MO-Louisburg,KS: 
http://www.astroleague.org/al/obsclubs/comet/comet.htm: CometObserversAwardALsubscribe@yahoogroups.com - Dr. 
Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), Olathe, KS: State of Kansas Solar System 
Ambassador:Eric's Black Sun Eclipse newsletter
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How much are you wanting?

Kurt


--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "verapotash" <verapotash@...> wrote:
>
> I would like to sell my 14.5 in Starmaster telescope, along with 
eyepieces, case, observing 
> stool, cover, wheel barrow wheels, etc.  I'm not sure how to go 
about this.  Any ideas?
> 
> Vera
>

Hi Vera,

I might know someone who is interested.  Could you please send the particulars of what you are selling along with your asking price?

You can email it to my home address is you would prefer at rhenderson1@....

Thanks.

Rick Henderson

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: verapotash 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 12:45 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] 14.5 inch Starmaster for sale


  I would like to sell my 14.5 in Starmaster telescope, along with eyepieces, case, observing 
  stool, cover, wheel barrow wheels, etc. I'm not sure how to go about this. Any ideas?

  Vera



   

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One other point about version 6.  If you turn on the "picture" displays for the Milky Way, galaxies, etc., it REALLY eats up the processor horsepower.  They do look really neat, but you need a fast processor and significant system memory to not have it really bog the computer down when scroll the view or use the movement arrows.

You can turn the realistic pictures off, but then you might as well be using version 5.

Rick Henderson

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Dick Harshaw 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 7:18 AM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] software, SKY vs. GUIDE


  Version 6, level IV. But Rick H has a good point-the differences between 5
  and 6 are minimal. TheSky 5 is actually easier to use than 6. The only
  major difference is that 6 has more realistic star displays (fuzzy edges to
  bright stars, not solid, sharp disks).

  Dick H

  _____ 

  From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of George
  Allen
  Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 8:44 PM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] software, SKY vs. GUIDE

  Thanks, Dick. This is Version 5.0, Level IV. Is that a newer version? 

  JoDee

  > [Original Message]
  > From: Dick Harshaw <dwharshaw@kc. <mailto:dwharshaw%40kc.rr.com> rr.com>
  > To: <ASKC@yahoogroups. <mailto:ASKC%40yahoogroups.com> com>
  > Date: 1/2/2007 7:53:33 PM
  > Subject: RE: [ASKC] software, SKY vs. GUIDE
  >
  > I've been using TheSky for 10 years and feel very comfortable with it,
  > although the new version has some real quirks regarding screen and display
  > options. But other folks are more comfortable with Guide, or Megastar.
  > It's what you get used to, I suppose. 
  >
  > 
  >
  > I found that TheSky was easy to link to the digitized sky survey (although
  > ALL the good programs do this now), but TheSky was doing it before anyone
  > else. 
  >
  > 
  >
  > I use TheSky scope side to help me locate faint galaxies or small
  > planetaries and it is a great tool for that. If you have the disk space,
  it
  > is well worth it to install the Guide Star Catalog. You can also install
  > the UCAC catalog (it is much larger, and thus more space hungry) if you
  want
  > to plot stars to 21st magnitude.
  >
  > 
  >
  > Dick
  >
  > 
  >
  > 
  >
  > _____ 
  >
  > From: ASKC@yahoogroups. <mailto:ASKC%40yahoogroups.com> com
  [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups. <mailto:ASKC%40yahoogroups.com> com] On Behalf Of
  George
  > Allen
  > Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 4:21 PM
  > To: ASKC YAHOO
  > Subject: [ASKC] software, SKY vs. GUIDE
  >
  > 
  >
  > Rick, since the PC JoDee bought from you at the party already had SKY
  > installed, she started to play around with it, as well as GUIDE which we
  had
  > installed in our PC. Turns out they will both easily do what she wants,
  and
  > she says she feels like mastering SKY will be the easier task. We
  downloaded
  > the manual and printed it out, as well as found it on the directory. 
  >
  > Now is the time for anyone who feels compelled to do so to mention why
  this
  > is or is not a good idea, before the effort is spent to digest a useable
  > command of the program. Neither looks to be as simple as using a book,
  > planisphere and set of charts, but both programs contain a whale of a lot
  > more data than any book.
  >
  > Geo.
  >
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  >
  > 
  >
  >
  >
  > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > 
  > Yahoo! Groups Links
  >
  >
  >

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Kurt or Joe or any board member can nominate you. The board will rubber
stamp your nomination unless you've really offended someone:-)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jay Manifold" <jaymanifold@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 1:07 PM
Subject: [ASKC] Re: Board Meeting


> OK, in case I don't find it, can someone nominate me to be a keyholder?
>
> Jay
>
> --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "David Young" <dyoung8@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > Another question: what room will the meeting be in?
> >
> > No sense getting there early, the locationof the meeting is subject
> to
> > change at the last second:-).
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

   I am trying to get an evening astronomy class at my school for the
students. I have to have a dang good proposal by Monday because of the
semester change and they want it( the class) started for 2nd sem. I
need  a list of proven, educational labs in a hurry. I only have
enough for my  1/2 sem class I do for the masses rather than an elite
group. HELP! Neta, if I'm mistaken please forgive, do you do the nasa
kits? If so, please tell me I would be eligible for them and could you
provide a location for me to see my possibilities. I realize this is
short and large, but I'm on a time crunch. 
   By the way, if this flies I assume I have a huge pool to call upoon
for guest speakers and guest scopes?ha.

Thanks in advance!

It'll be in the Feb. issue. Want to add a phone number or contact 
e-mail?
M
On Jan 6, 2007, at 2:01 PM, George Allen wrote:

> arcia, thanks for the suggestion. Could you run an ad for my new 10 
> inch
>  Hardin Deep Space Hunter w/32mm, 25mm, 9mm, moon filter & 2X barlow, 
> 2 inch
>  Crayford focuser, 8x50 finder, all the factory charts and paperwork?
>  Assembled, but never used. $725 George Allen

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Vera,

How much are you asking for it?

-Scott

--
The Golden Rule of Astronomy - “If you own a telescope, you have a moral obligation to share the view!” - John Dobson

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: "verapotash" <verapotash@...> 
I would like to sell my 14.5 in Starmaster telescope, along with eyepieces, case, observing 
stool, cover, wheel barrow wheels, etc. I'm not sure how to go about this. Any ideas?

Vera


 

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I've tried the last couple mornings to spot McNaught, but clouds have blocked me every morning except this morning (Saturday).  I still couldn't find it.  It tried moving from Jupiter over to Mars and over to the comet and just couldn't find it.  The problem with morning objects like this is that you want to wait longer because then the object will get higher in the eastern sky, but the longer you wait, the brighter the sky gets.....  catch 22!

So the sky was clear this afternoon and at sunset except for some clouds in the far SW (anyone else see the incredibly bright sundog??!!!) so I thought I'd try again.  Everywhere you read on the net, they say to try to spot it in the morning, but I checked with GUIDE, and it showed it just as high in the sky in the west at sunset as it is high in the east at sunrise.  And Venus was only 21 degrees pretty well straight left of the comet at sunset - a nice guidepost.

At 5:35, I was scanning the western sky with 10x50 binos and I came across what looked like sunlight glinting off a jet through the haze.  I kept looking around the area.  When I came back to the spot a minute later, the "jet" had not moved and now it had a wide fan tail shooting up towards the 2:00 position.  It was the comet!  Small in size, but very bright!  Now that I knew where to look, I could spot it barely with the naked eye as a light fuzzy spot only a couple degrees above the horizon.

I marked my position and the position of the comet compared to a distant cell tower and water tower.  If clear Sunday evening, I am going to try to capture a picture.

-scott

--
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Well, God knows I've tried.  ;^)

I'll take this as permission to skip the meeting unless it's 
customary to grill^h^h^h^h^h question prospective keyholders.

Jay

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "David Young" <dyoung8@...> wrote:
>
> Kurt or Joe or any board member can nominate you. The board will 
rubber
> stamp your nomination unless you've really offended someone:-)
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jay Manifold" <jaymanifold@...>
> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 1:07 PM
> Subject: [ASKC] Re: Board Meeting
> 
> 
> > OK, in case I don't find it, can someone nominate me to be a 
keyholder?
> >
> > Jay
> >
> > --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "David Young" <dyoung8@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > Another question: what room will the meeting be in?
> > >
> > > No sense getting there early, the locationof the meeting is 
subject
> > to
> > > change at the last second:-).
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

I spied the comet tonight at the store.  Just as Scott did, I used Venus as
a guide post.  I also knew that Comet McNaught ought to be at azimuth 256 or
so according to skytonight.com, so I used a compass to point exactly at az
256.  Scanning around with some 25x100 binoculars, I finally ran across it.
I wondered how I had missed it before.  It was very bright with a bright
tail fanning out toward the 2 o'clock position.  After awhile I thought I
could just barely see it naked eye.

This is a really cool comet with a bright coma.  Everyone needs to go out
and take a look at it before it goes away.

Happy hunting,
Leif


On 1/6/07, s.kranz1@... <s.kranz1@...> wrote:
>
> I've tried the last couple mornings to spot McNaught, but clouds have
> blocked me every morning except this morning (Saturday).  I still couldn't
> find it.  It tried moving from Jupiter over to Mars and over to the comet
> and just couldn't find it.  The problem with morning objects like this is
> that you want to wait longer because then the object will get higher in the
> eastern sky, but the longer you wait, the brighter the sky gets.....  catch
> 22!
>
> So the sky was clear this afternoon and at sunset except for some clouds
> in the far SW (anyone else see the incredibly bright sundog??!!!) so I
> thought I'd try again.  Everywhere you read on the net, they say to try to
> spot it in the morning, but I checked with GUIDE, and it showed it just as
> high in the sky in the west at sunset as it is high in the east at
> sunrise.  And Venus was only 21 degrees pretty well straight left of the
> comet at sunset - a nice guidepost.
>
> At 5:35, I was scanning the western sky with 10x50 binos and I came across
> what looked like sunlight glinting off a jet through the haze.  I kept
> looking around the area.  When I came back to the spot a minute later, the
> "jet" had not moved and now it had a wide fan tail shooting up towards the
> 2:00 position.  It was the comet!  Small in size, but very bright!  Now that
> I knew where to look, I could spot it barely with the naked eye as a light
> fuzzy spot only a couple degrees above the horizon.
>
> I marked my position and the position of the comet compared to a distant
> cell tower and water tower.  If clear Sunday evening, I am going to try to
> capture a picture.
>
> -scott
>
> --
> The Golden Rule of Astronomy - "If you own a telescope, you have a moral
> obligation to share the view!" - John Dobson
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>


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--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, s.kranz1@... wrote:
>
> Vera,
>
> How much are you asking for it?
>
> -Scott
>
> --
> The Golden Rule of Astronomy - "If you own a telescope, you have a
moral obligation to share the view!" - John Dobson
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: "verapotash" verapotash@...
> I would like to sell my 14.5 in Starmaster telescope, along with
eyepieces, case, observing
> stool, cover, wheel barrow wheels, etc. I'm not sure how to go about
this. Any ideas?
>
> Vera
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

We're low on ASKC brochures at the store.  Not sure who to get more from.
If anybody attending the board meeting has a bunch would you bring some for
me to hand out at the store?

Thanks,
Leif


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Did you actually have the glossy paper ones or did you have regular paper ones?

How many of the glossy papers ones do we have left?

Do I need to start printing up more paper ones?

-scott

--
The Golden Rule of Astronomy - “If you own a telescope, you have a moral obligation to share the view!” - John Dobson

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: "Leif Bahl" <leifbahl@...> 
We're low on ASKC brochures at the store. Not sure who to get more from.
If anybody attending the board meeting has a bunch would you bring some for
me to hand out at the store?

Thanks,
Leif

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    Vera, what ever you are asking for your scope add a little more and donate the extra to the DSS.
Randy (Cash for C.O.R.E.) Thompson
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: verapotash 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 9:01 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] Re: 14.5 inch Starmaster for sale



  --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, s.kranz1@... wrote:
  >
  > Vera,
  >
  > How much are you asking for it?
  >
  > -Scott
  >
  > --
  > The Golden Rule of Astronomy - "If you own a telescope, you have a
  moral obligation to share the view!" - John Dobson
  >
  > -------------- Original message --------------
  > From: "verapotash" verapotash@...
  > I would like to sell my 14.5 in Starmaster telescope, along with
  eyepieces, case, observing
  > stool, cover, wheel barrow wheels, etc. I'm not sure how to go about
  this. Any ideas?
  >
  > Vera
  >
  >
  >
  >
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  >



   

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: dbeier 
To: Connie VanLeuvan 
Cc: Brad Willson ; Sarah Holmes ; Mary Johnson ; Sharron Spence ; Carol Williamson ; Gary Anderson ; aatkison ; Dan Lumley ; Diania Abitz ; D Young ; kryan ; David Beier ; mcjckj@... ; Jackie Snow ; Janet Gibbs ; Barbara Elliott ; Mary Billingsly 
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 7:55 AM
Subject: Black Holes Lecture this Saturday


I am giving a lecture on Saturday at Union Station on Black Holes for any students, parents, teachers who might be interested in the NASA's current research on Black Holes. This is the project that I am currently working on for NASA out of Goddard Space Flight Center. You might be inclined to share this info with your students.

Attachment is a flyer about the event.
Thanks

I do understand that many of the Saturday Science Seminars are geared mainly to Upper School, but this topic may be of interest to students from grades 4 on up.

Please feel free to post this and send this out to any teachers who may be interested or may have students who would like to attend

David

David Beier
The Barstow School
11511 State Line Road
Kansas City MO 64114

This email was transmitted using only recycled electrons.


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your brilliant and handsome askc librarian has a whole box of brochures in the askc library located at the general meeting
  
  dark skies
  Jeremy the librarian

s.kranz1@... wrote:  Did you actually have the glossy paper ones or did you have regular paper ones?

How many of the glossy papers ones do we have left?

Do I need to start printing up more paper ones?

-scott

--
The Golden Rule of Astronomy - “If you own a telescope, you have a moral obligation to share the view!” - John Dobson

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: "Leif Bahl"  
We're low on ASKC brochures at the store. Not sure who to get more from.
If anybody attending the board meeting has a bunch would you bring some for
me to hand out at the store?

Thanks,
Leif

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We had the glossy ones.  But any would do.  I hand out one with each
telescope purchase and at any astronomically related programs at the store
or to anyone who even expresses an interest in astronomy.  So we go through
quite a few I guess.

-Leif


On 1/6/07, s.kranz1@... <s.kranz1@...> wrote:
>
> Did you actually have the glossy paper ones or did you have regular paper
> ones?
>
> How many of the glossy papers ones do we have left?
>
> Do I need to start printing up more paper ones?
>
> -scott
>
> --
> The Golden Rule of Astronomy - "If you own a telescope, you have a moral
> obligation to share the view!" - John Dobson
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: "Leif Bahl" <leifbahl@...>
> We're low on ASKC brochures at the store. Not sure who to get more from.
> If anybody attending the board meeting has a bunch would you bring some
> for
> me to hand out at the store?
>
> Thanks,
> Leif
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>


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Anyone else having trouble pulling up the Astronomy Picture of the Day
website?


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Nope. Worked for me. It was a
little slow, but it came up.

-JC


--- Leif Bahl wrote:
>
> Anyone else having trouble pulling up the
> Astronomy Picture of the Day website?

I can't get it to load. 


--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Leif Bahl" <leifbahl@...> wrote:
>
> Anyone else having trouble pulling up the Astronomy Picture of the Day
> website?
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Darrick,

I just found your message.  I have several resources that you might 
be interested in.  We probably need to talk on the phone or in 
person rather than through e-mail.  I don't live that far away from 
you.  I will try to call you asap.

You teach in Archie? I am near Adrian so of course I am close enough 
to help out with your class as needed and would be willing to do so.

Neta

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Darrick" <earthdude123@...> wrote:
>
>    I am trying to get an evening astronomy class at my school for 
the
> students. I have to have a dang good proposal by Monday because of 
the
> semester change and they want it( the class) started for 2nd sem. I
> need  a list of proven, educational labs in a hurry. I only have
> enough for my  1/2 sem class I do for the masses rather than an 
elite
> group. HELP! Neta, if I'm mistaken please forgive, do you do the 
nasa
> kits? If so, please tell me I would be eligible for them and could 
you
> provide a location for me to see my possibilities. I realize this 
is
> short and large, but I'm on a time crunch. 
>    By the way, if this flies I assume I have a huge pool to call 
upoon
> for guest speakers and guest scopes?ha.
> 
> Thanks in advance!
>

Yikes.  Sent 7:18 PM Thursday, posted 6:35 AM Sunday.  59 hours and 
17 minutes for a message to show up?  That's a little worse 
performance than usual.

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "David Young" <dyoung8@...> wrote:
>
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: dbeier 
> To: Connie VanLeuvan 
> Cc: Brad Willson ; Sarah Holmes ; Mary Johnson ; Sharron Spence ; 
Carol Williamson ; Gary Anderson ; aatkison ; Dan Lumley ; Diania 
Abitz ; D Young ; kryan ; David Beier ; mcjckj@... ; Jackie Snow ; 
Janet Gibbs ; Barbara Elliott ; Mary Billingsly 
> Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 7:55 AM
> Subject: Black Holes Lecture this Saturday
> 
> 
> I am giving a lecture on Saturday at Union Station on Black Holes 
for any students, parents, teachers who might be interested in the 
NASA's current research on Black Holes. This is the project that I am 
currently working on for NASA out of Goddard Space Flight Center. You 
might be inclined to share this info with your students.
> 
> Attachment is a flyer about the event.
> Thanks
> 
> I do understand that many of the Saturday Science Seminars are 
geared mainly to Upper School, but this topic may be of interest to 
students from grades 4 on up.
> 
> Please feel free to post this and send this out to any teachers who 
may be interested or may have students who would like to attend
> 
> David
> 
> David Beier
> The Barstow School
> 11511 State Line Road
> Kansas City MO 64114
> 
> This email was transmitted using only recycled electrons.
> 
> 
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>

 The surprisingly bright Comet Mcnaught appears  in evening and morning! It 
is bright but so close to the Sun it is difficult to see.

YES . It appears near the Sun and can be seen  either in morning or after 
sunset as I have  now seen and heard.
After sunset it is in between Venus and 1st     magnitude Altair (in Aquila 
higher in the sky more the WEST)
I am still examining the pics I took. I looked in Olathe to the East and 
think I caught it but I don't have good binoculars.

More pics and detail at
http://www.spaceweather.com/
photo gallery of other pics
http://www.spaceweather.com/comets/gallery_mcnaught.htm

another nice pic at
omet McNaught Heads for the Sun
Credit & Copyright: Michael Jager and Gerald Rhemann
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap070105.html

There is not much time as it is getting closer to the Sun and by next week 
will only be visible with the orbiting scopes. Who knows if it will survive 
entry near the Sun. But by then only Southern observers will be able to see it . 
So catch it while you can before close approach to Sun on 13th.

Good luck

Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), Olathe, KS: Member #2572 IMCA 
(International Meteorite Collectors Association) : E.O.A.S. (Earth, Oceans, Atmosphere 
and Space) Blog -<http://eoas-dreric1kansas.blogspot.com/>:State of Kansas 
Solar System Ambassador: Comet Observers Coordinator- Astronomy  League/ 
Astronomical Society of Kansas, KC, MO-Louisburg,KS: 
http://www.astroleague.org/al/obsclubs/comet/comet.htm: CometObserversAwardALsubscribe@yahoogroups.com - Dr. 
Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), Olathe, KS: State of Kansas Solar System 
Ambassador:Eric's Black Sun Eclipse newsletter
: Subscribe to (send your email to)< blacksuneclipse-subscribe@egroups.com>
:Website- http://members.aol.com/kcstarguy/blacksun/eclipse.htm: Satori 
Astronomy Website- 
http://members.aol.com/kcstarguy/satoriastronomy/satoriastronomy.htm



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Doug Z and I were scouting out places to see the comet tonight. A good 
location we will go to is:

(1) Olathe: Over k-7 past K-1O   to 95th street 
(2) Turn left 
(3) look for my Green Saturn or his white Taurus

(mobile) 913-486-1247
Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), Olathe, KS: Member #2572 IMCA 
(International Meteorite Collectors Association) : E.O.A.S. (Earth, Oceans, Atmosphere 
and Space) Blog -<http://eoas-dreric1kansas.blogspot.com/>:State of Kansas 
Solar System Ambassador: Comet Observers Coordinator- Astronomy   League/ 
Astronomical Society of Kansas, KC, MO-Louisburg,KS: 
http://www.astroleague.org/al/obsclubs/comet/comet.htm: CometObserversAwardALsubscribe@yahoogroups.com - Dr. 
Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), Olathe, KS: State of Kansas Solar System 
Ambassador:Eric's Black Sun Eclipse newsletter
: Subscribe to (send your email to)< blacksuneclipse-subscribe@egroups.com>
:Website- http://members.aol.com/kcstarguy/blacksun/eclipse.htm: Satori 
Astronomy Website- 
http://members.aol.com/kcstarguy/satoriastronomy/satoriastronomy.htm


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At 9:48 it was ok
Kathy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Leif Bahl" <leifbahl@...>
To: "ASKC newsgroup" <askc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 9:06 AM
Subject: [ASKC] APOD


> Anyone else having trouble pulling up the Astronomy Picture of the Day
> website?
> 

Where the heck are you talking about? Over k-7? On what street?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <KCStarguy@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 4:00 PM
Subject: [ASKC] see comet tonight anyone want to come directions enclosed


> Doug Z and I were scouting out places to see the comet tonight. A good 
> location we will go to is:
> 

Greetings...All today I have had a filter wrong and lost all email that may have come in.  Let me know if this is a problem.  

Geo.

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This saturday at 8:30 we will plan to commence repairs of the dome 
support structure.  Let me know if you can make it.

David, your talents and tools would be apreciated.

Kurt

Forwarding this in case anyone is interested in attending. Contact Jim Roe
at  jroe@...  if you have an interest.


Clear skies,
 
Gary Pittman

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Roe [mailto:jroe@...] 
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 11:20 AM
To: STLAstronomy@yahoogroups.com; MSRAL@yahoogroups.com; Jerry;
namttip@...; Baum, Francis J; rick.schwentker@...;
jamescuca@...; hardy.larry@...; cp50m51@...
Subject: Digital Astro-Imaging Workshop

Alliance for Astronomy, Inc. is proposing to sponsor a Digital Astro-Imaging
Workshop.  The date of the workshop and content are tentative, depending
upon the amount of interest shown in participation. 
  Consider this a first announcement and please forward to individuals,
clubs, groups, email lists, etc for which you think there may be interest.

We are looking at Saturday, February 24, 2007 at Weldon Spring, Missouri.  A
tentative agenda is

9:00 am - 10:00 am: Basics - What is a digital image, how is it captured,
rough divisions of astrophotography (ie, lunar and planetary, deep sky,
scientific).

10:00am - 11:00 am: Lunar and Planetary - basic techniques with web cams,
avi capture (K3CCDtools?), aligning and stacking (Registax?), wavelet
filtering, post-processing.

11:00 am - Noon: Deep Sky - basic techniques for long exposures, stacking,
filters, processing - illustrate with one or more astronomical image
processing programs (AIP4Win, others?)

Noon - 1:00 pm:  Lunch provided by Alliance, open discussion

1:00 pm - 2:00 pm: Photoshop(/GIMP?) techniques

2:00 pm - 3:00 pm: Scientific imaging - astrometry, photometry

3:00 pm - ??: Open discussion, individual matters

We have lined up some of the presenters, but if you would like to
contribute, please email me directly.  This is intended to be a workshop,
ie, the talks will be tutorial in nature, but we will consider poster papers
in which the author explains some of his/her astro imaging projects.
Contact me directly if you have interest in such.

Please respond soon if you have interest in participating.  There will be no
charge for the workshop and we may be able to arrange overnight housing for
out-of-town participants.  Again, contact me.  Soon!

Jim Roe

    I will be there.
Randy
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: kurtheck1 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 5:25 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] Powell repairs


  This saturday at 8:30 we will plan to commence repairs of the dome 
  support structure. Let me know if you can make it.

  David, your talents and tools would be apreciated.

  Kurt



   

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I'll be there but not that early, I have to meet a contractor at 9:30 to 10am.. 
Dick T


-------------- Original message from "kurtheck1" <kurtheck@...>: -------------- 


> This saturday at 8:30 we will plan to commence repairs of the dome 
> support structure. Let me know if you can make it. 
> 
> David, your talents and tools would be apreciated. 
> 
> Kurt 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links 
> 
> 
> 

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Thanks to Eric's reminder, Marcia and I joined him and Doug west of Shawnee tonight. I found the comet in my Fujinon binocs. Doug put his binocular eyepiece telescope on it for some nice views. In the binoculars I could see a very bright nucleus and a fan shaped tail with fine streamers. I was a little taken aback when the comet drifted north as it got lower to the horizon. Then I pictured what was going on with the motions and it made sense.

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Saturday January 13, 2007 at 8:30 AM I will endeavor to be there with full
tanks of oxy/acet, my welder with a full tank of gas, my grinders, drills,
and endless enthusiasm.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "kurtheck1" <kurtheck@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 5:25 PM
Subject: [ASKC] Powell repairs


> This saturday at 8:30 we will plan to commence repairs of the dome
> support structure.  Let me know if you can make it.
>
> David, your talents and tools would be apreciated.
>
> Kurt
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the ASKC 
group.

  File        : /McNaught.jpg 
  Uploaded by : stripe1966 <s.kranz1@...> 
  Description : Comet McNaught 2007-01-07 1750 

You can access this file at the URL:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ASKC/files/McNaught.jpg 

To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files

Regards,

stripe1966 <s.kranz1@...>
 

Neta, I looked through your solar scope at a star party last summer. 
Was it a PST double stack, or a different model?  Thanks, Pete

Does someone have a copy of the Astronomy 101 program that is used at the
observatory?

Neta and I would like to use part of it for our astro. program soon.

Can you send to me at:  m31@..., and to:  jbeucher@...
and to:  okieastronomer@...

Thanks!

Jackie Beucher

Consider yourself nominated, Jay!

Jackie

  -----Original Message-----
  From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of David
Young
  Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 2:04 PM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] Re: Board Meeting


  Kurt or Joe or any board member can nominate you. The board will rubber
  stamp your nomination unless you've really offended someone:-)

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Jay Manifold" <jaymanifold@...>
  To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
  Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 1:07 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] Re: Board Meeting

  > OK, in case I don't find it, can someone nominate me to be a keyholder?
  >
  > Jay
  >
  > --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "David Young" <dyoung8@...> wrote:
  > >
  > >
  > > > Another question: what room will the meeting be in?
  > >
  > > No sense getting there early, the locationof the meeting is subject
  > to
  > > change at the last second:-).
  > >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > Yahoo! Groups Links
  >
  >
  >
  >



  


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Many thanks.  Presuming no astro-skeletons are found in my closet, 
I'm guessing the next step after the vote is that I ask the OD for a 
key?

Jay

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, Jackie Beucher <m31@...> wrote:
>
> Consider yourself nominated, Jay!
> 
> Jackie
> 
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf 
Of David
> Young
>   Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 2:04 PM
>   To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: Re: [ASKC] Re: Board Meeting
> 
> 
>   Kurt or Joe or any board member can nominate you. The board will 
rubber
>   stamp your nomination unless you've really offended someone:-)
> 
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: "Jay Manifold" <jaymanifold@...>
>   To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
>   Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 1:07 PM
>   Subject: [ASKC] Re: Board Meeting
> 
>   > OK, in case I don't find it, can someone nominate me to be a 
keyholder?
>   >
>   > Jay
>   >
>   > --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "David Young" <dyoung8@> wrote:
>   > >
>   > >
>   > > > Another question: what room will the meeting be in?
>   > >
>   > > No sense getting there early, the locationof the meeting is 
subject
>   > to
>   > > change at the last second:-).
>   > >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   > Yahoo! Groups Links
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Please mark your calendars for this one!
Jackie


The Yale, Princeton and Harvard/Radcliffe Alumni associations of KC  and the
Linda Hall Library are sponsoring:

The Theory of Everything
Dr. Brian Greene, Columbia University
Thursday, January 25, 2007

Reception 5:30- 7:00 PM at Linda Hall Library (for reservations call
816-92-8772)
Lecture 7:30 PM at the Unity Temple on the Plaza

You can't do anything about the length of your life, but you can do
something about its width and depth. - H. L. Mencken, 1880-1956, American
critic







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Reservations are required and guests are welcome. All the lectures at Unity
in the past have been free and open to the public. I don't know why they
commented about guests being ok. They didn't say you had to be a Friends
member in the notice.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jackie Beucher" <m31@...>
To: <askc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 7:20 PM
Subject: [ASKC] FW: Brian Greene lecture -FYI


> Please mark your calendars for this one!
> Jackie
>
>
> The Yale, Princeton and Harvard/Radcliffe Alumni associations of KC  and
the
> Linda Hall Library are sponsoring:
>
> The Theory of Everything
> Dr. Brian Greene, Columbia University
> Thursday, January 25, 2007
>
> Reception 5:30- 7:00 PM at Linda Hall Library (for reservations call
> 816-92-8772)
> Lecture 7:30 PM at the Unity Temple on the Plaza
>
> You can't do anything about the length of your life, but you can do
> something about its width and depth. - H. L. Mencken, 1880-1956, American
> critic
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

    You can ask, but you will have to pay the deposit like the rest of us.
Randy
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jay Manifold 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 7:09 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] Re: Board Meeting


  Many thanks. Presuming no astro-skeletons are found in my closet, 
  I'm guessing the next step after the vote is that I ask the OD for a 
  key?

  Jay

  --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, Jackie Beucher <m31@...> wrote:
  >
  > Consider yourself nominated, Jay!
  > 
  > Jackie
  > 
  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf 
  Of David
  > Young
  > Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 2:04 PM
  > To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  > Subject: Re: [ASKC] Re: Board Meeting
  > 
  > 
  > Kurt or Joe or any board member can nominate you. The board will 
  rubber
  > stamp your nomination unless you've really offended someone:-)
  > 
  > ----- Original Message -----
  > From: "Jay Manifold" <jaymanifold@...>
  > To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
  > Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 1:07 PM
  > Subject: [ASKC] Re: Board Meeting
  > 
  > > OK, in case I don't find it, can someone nominate me to be a 
  keyholder?
  > >
  > > Jay
  > >
  > > --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "David Young" <dyoung8@> wrote:
  > > >
  > > >
  > > > > Another question: what room will the meeting be in?
  > > >
  > > > No sense getting there early, the locationof the meeting is 
  subject
  > > to
  > > > change at the last second:-).
  > > >
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > > Yahoo! Groups Links
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
  >



   

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It's working for me now.  I think they were having problems.

Gotta get my APOD fix,
Leif


On 1/7/07, Kathy <kmachin@...> wrote:
>
>   At 9:48 it was ok
> Kathy
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Leif Bahl" <leifbahl@... <leifbahl%40gmail.com>>
> To: "ASKC newsgroup" <askc@yahoogroups.com <askc%40yahoogroups.com>>
> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 9:06 AM
> Subject: [ASKC] APOD
>
> > Anyone else having trouble pulling up the Astronomy Picture of the Day
> > website?
> >
>
>  
>


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Someone remind me to bring a batch to the board meeting. I have a pile of
keys laying here on the desk.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jay Manifold" <jaymanifold@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 7:09 PM
Subject: [ASKC] Re: Board Meeting


> Many thanks.  Presuming no astro-skeletons are found in my closet,
> I'm guessing the next step after the vote is that I ask the OD for a
> key?
>
> Jay
>

I can make it also.

       Larry G






--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "kurtheck1" <kurtheck@...> wrote:
>
> This saturday at 8:30 we will plan to commence repairs of the dome 
> support structure.  Let me know if you can make it.
> 
> David, your talents and tools would be apreciated.
> 
> Kurt
>

So can only really smart people who guess the missing digit get in?

"reservations call 816-92-8772"


--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "David Young" <dyoung8@...> wrote:
>
> Reservations are required and guests are welcome. All the lectures 
at Unity
> in the past have been free and open to the public. I don't know why 
they
> commented about guests being ok. They didn't say you had to be a 
Friends
> member in the notice.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jackie Beucher" <m31@...>
> To: <askc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 7:20 PM
> Subject: [ASKC] FW: Brian Greene lecture -FYI
> 
> 
> > Please mark your calendars for this one!
> > Jackie
> >
> >
> > The Yale, Princeton and Harvard/Radcliffe Alumni associations of 
KC  and
> the
> > Linda Hall Library are sponsoring:
> >
> > The Theory of Everything
> > Dr. Brian Greene, Columbia University
> > Thursday, January 25, 2007
> >
> > Reception 5:30- 7:00 PM at Linda Hall Library (for reservations 
call
> > 816-92-8772)
> > Lecture 7:30 PM at the Unity Temple on the Plaza
> >
> > You can't do anything about the length of your life, but you can 
do
> > something about its width and depth. - H. L. Mencken, 1880-1956, 
American
> > critic
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

What? No time allowed to filibuster!
:>)
dt

-------------- Original message from Jackie Beucher <m31@...>: -------------- 


> Consider yourself nominated, Jay! 
> 
> Jackie 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of David 
> Young 
> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 2:04 PM 
> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
> Subject: Re: [ASKC] Re: Board Meeting 
> 
> 
> Kurt or Joe or any board member can nominate you. The board will rubber 
> stamp your nomination unless you've really offended someone:-) 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jay Manifold" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 1:07 PM 
> Subject: [ASKC] Re: Board Meeting 
> 
> > OK, in case I don't find it, can someone nominate me to be a keyholder? 
> > 
> > Jay 
> > 
> > --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "David Young" wrote: 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > Another question: what room will the meeting be in? 
> > > 
> > > No sense getting there early, the locationof the meeting is subject 
> > to 
> > > change at the last second:-). 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Yahoo! Groups Links 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links 
> 
> 
> 

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Jackie,

I believe there may be more than one Astronomy 101 PowerPoint programs on the observatory computer.  I know I wrote one and put it on there, which I called Astronomy 101, but I believe there was another, similarly named one.

Do you remember any of the content?  I can bring you a copy of mine to the board meeting and if it's not the one you want, you can do whatever with it.

Mine talked about light pollution, planispheres, comets, meteors, planets, galaxies, binocs, telescopes, magazines, books, websites and the ASKC, in that order.  Not a lot on any one topic, just a little on each.

Let me know if you want a copy.

Rick Henderson

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jackie Beucher 
  To: askc@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 6:39 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] Astronomy 101


  Does someone have a copy of the Astronomy 101 program that is used at the
  observatory?

  Neta and I would like to use part of it for our astro. program soon.

  Can you send to me at: m31@..., and to: jbeucher@...
  and to: okieastronomer@...

  Thanks!

  Jackie Beucher



   

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Ah, here is something one could dream about, namely that we would have 
an institution in KC that would sponsor what looks like a really 
interesting exhibit mounted by the Smithsonian. Folks in Cedar Falls, 
Iowa at the University Museum have it booked for February 16, 2008.  
Any way to suggest this to the Science City folks?  It would look good 
in Union Station.

www.earthfromspace.si.edu/default.asp

Elizabeth

Jackie,

The phone number for reservations was missing a digit.  Could you resend the phone number?

Thanks.

Rick Henderson

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jackie Beucher 
  To: askc@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 7:20 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] FW: Brian Greene lecture -FYI


  Please mark your calendars for this one!
  Jackie

  The Yale, Princeton and Harvard/Radcliffe Alumni associations of KC and the
  Linda Hall Library are sponsoring:

  The Theory of Everything
  Dr. Brian Greene, Columbia University
  Thursday, January 25, 2007

  Reception 5:30- 7:00 PM at Linda Hall Library (for reservations call
  816-92-8772)
  Lecture 7:30 PM at the Unity Temple on the Plaza

  You can't do anything about the length of your life, but you can do
  something about its width and depth. - H. L. Mencken, 1880-1956, American
  critic

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That is my team's program.  Do you want me to forward you a copy?

Carroll Iorg

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jackie Beucher 
  To: askc@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 18:39
  Subject: [ASKC] Astronomy 101


  Does someone have a copy of the Astronomy 101 program that is used at the
  observatory?

  Neta and I would like to use part of it for our astro. program soon.

  Can you send to me at: m31@..., and to: jbeucher@...
  and to: okieastronomer@...

  Thanks!

  Jackie Beucher



   

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I think Jackie is just "string"-ing us along.

Rick Henderson

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jay Manifold 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 8:49 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] Re: FW: Brian Greene lecture -FYI


  So can only really smart people who guess the missing digit get in?

  "reservations call 816-92-8772"

  --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "David Young" <dyoung8@...> wrote:
  >
  > Reservations are required and guests are welcome. All the lectures 
  at Unity
  > in the past have been free and open to the public. I don't know why 
  they
  > commented about guests being ok. They didn't say you had to be a 
  Friends
  > member in the notice.
  > 
  > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > From: "Jackie Beucher" <m31@...>
  > To: <askc@yahoogroups.com>
  > Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 7:20 PM
  > Subject: [ASKC] FW: Brian Greene lecture -FYI
  > 
  > 
  > > Please mark your calendars for this one!
  > > Jackie
  > >
  > >
  > > The Yale, Princeton and Harvard/Radcliffe Alumni associations of 
  KC and
  > the
  > > Linda Hall Library are sponsoring:
  > >
  > > The Theory of Everything
  > > Dr. Brian Greene, Columbia University
  > > Thursday, January 25, 2007
  > >
  > > Reception 5:30- 7:00 PM at Linda Hall Library (for reservations 
  call
  > > 816-92-8772)
  > > Lecture 7:30 PM at the Unity Temple on the Plaza
  > >
  > > You can't do anything about the length of your life, but you can 
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 Doug Zubenel and I set up above a ridge looking West   near 95th street west 
of a Church building.
Looking in binoculars and telescope , David Young spotted the comet first 
with his binocularabout 5:30.   We then saw the comet with Doug's scope about 9 
degrees above horizon. Spectacular . 
I think it looked like a gold colored star like a   space shuttle 
trailing a yellow-white fan shaped plume (that usually appears 
when one views a   close up of the   space shuttle. )
 We figured it was -1.

We will try the next few days at the same spot. Come on out at 5:00. Hope you 
can try is whereever the rest of you are.

Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), Olathe, KS: Member #2572 IMCA 
(International Meteorite Collectors Association) : E.O.A.S. (Earth, Oceans, Atmosphere 
and Space) Blog -<http://eoas-dreric1kansas.blogspot.com/>:State of Kansas 
Solar System Ambassador: Comet Observers Coordinator- Astronomy   League/ 
Astronomical Society of Kansas, KC, MO-Louisburg,KS: 
http://www.astroleague.org/al/obsclubs/comet/comet.htm: CometObserversAwardALsubscribe@yahoogroups.com - Dr. 
Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), Olathe, KS: State of Kansas Solar System 
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The Linda Hall Library phone number to confirm reservations is (816) 926-8772.

Carroll Iorg

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Rick Henderson 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 20:03
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] FW: Brian Greene lecture -FYI


  Jackie,

  The phone number for reservations was missing a digit. Could you resend the phone number?

  Thanks.

  Rick Henderson

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jackie Beucher 
  To: askc@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 7:20 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] FW: Brian Greene lecture -FYI

  Please mark your calendars for this one!
  Jackie

  The Yale, Princeton and Harvard/Radcliffe Alumni associations of KC and the
  Linda Hall Library are sponsoring:

  The Theory of Everything
  Dr. Brian Greene, Columbia University
  Thursday, January 25, 2007

  Reception 5:30- 7:00 PM at Linda Hall Library (for reservations call
  816-92-8772)
  Lecture 7:30 PM at the Unity Temple on the Plaza

  You can't do anything about the length of your life, but you can do
  something about its width and depth. - H. L. Mencken, 1880-1956, American
  critic

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On January 22 (Monday), Life Christian Academy, located on Cookingham Road
about 4 miles east of KCI, wants to hold an on-campus star party.  They have
asked for ASKC help and have said they would contribute $100 for our help.

 

They will have 30 sixth-graders plus adults and maybe a few siblings-maybe
60-76 people total.  I could use some help on this event.

 

The plan is to meet with the kids at 6:00 pm and build the tennis
ball/penny/string earth/moon models that Joe Wright showed us last year and
talk about solar and lunar eclipses.  Then start observing about 6:30 pm
until about 8:30 or so (next day is a school day).

 

The school has a large paved lot that is level and has good horizons all
around. 120-v power is available, but if you need it, plan on bringing your
own extension cords.

 

Any takers to help?  

 

 

Dick Harshaw

KC, MO

 

Twinkle, twinkle, quasi-star,

    Biggest puzzle from afar.

How unlike the other ones,

   Brighter than a billion suns.

Twinkle, twinkle, quasi-star,

    Biggest puzzle from afar.

 

                     -- George Gamow (1904-1968)

 



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----- Original Message ----- 
From: Jim Roe 
To: STLAstronomy@yahoogroups.com ; MSRAL@yahoogroups.com ; Jerry ; namttip@... ; Baum, Francis J ; rick.schwentker@... ; jamescuca@... ; hardy.larry@... ; cp50m51@... 
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 11:20 AM
Subject: [MSRAL] Digital Astro-Imaging Workshop


Alliance for Astronomy, Inc. is proposing to sponsor a Digital 
Astro-Imaging Workshop. The date of the workshop and content are 
tentative, depending upon the amount of interest shown in participation. 
Consider this a first announcement and please forward to individuals, 
clubs, groups, email lists, etc for which you think there may be interest.

We are looking at Saturday, February 24, 2007 at Weldon Spring, 
Missouri. A tentative agenda is

9:00 am - 10:00 am: Basics - What is a digital image, how is it 
captured, rough divisions of astrophotography (ie, lunar and planetary, 
deep sky, scientific).

10:00am - 11:00 am: Lunar and Planetary - basic techniques with web 
cams, avi capture (K3CCDtools?), aligning and stacking (Registax?), 
wavelet filtering, post-processing.

11:00 am - Noon: Deep Sky - basic techniques for long exposures, 
stacking, filters, processing - illustrate with one or more astronomical 
image processing programs (AIP4Win, others?)

Noon - 1:00 pm: Lunch provided by Alliance, open discussion

1:00 pm - 2:00 pm: Photoshop(/GIMP?) techniques

2:00 pm - 3:00 pm: Scientific imaging - astrometry, photometry

3:00 pm - ??: Open discussion, individual matters

We have lined up some of the presenters, but if you would like to 
contribute, please email me directly. This is intended to be a 
workshop, ie, the talks will be tutorial in nature, but we will consider 
poster papers in which the author explains some of his/her astro imaging 
projects. Contact me directly if you have interest in such.

Please respond soon if you have interest in participating. There will 
be no charge for the workshop and we may be able to arrange overnight 
housing for out-of-town participants. Again, contact me. Soon!

Jim Roe


 

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I also first spotted it at 5:30 and watched till it dropped behind distant trees at 06:00.  I put a photo in the "files" section of the ASKC yahoo group.  I'm sure Doug's photos will blow mine out of the water though!

-scott

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-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: KCStarguy@... 
Doug Zubenel and I set up above a ridge looking West near 95th street west 
of a Church building.
Looking in binoculars and telescope , David Young spotted the comet first 
with his binocularabout 5:30. We then saw the comet with Doug's scope about 9 
degrees above horizon. Spectacular . 
I think it looked like a gold colored star like a space shuttle 
trailing a yellow-white fan shaped plume (that usually appears 
when one views a close up of the space shuttle. )
We figured it was -1.

We will try the next few days at the same spot. Come on out at 5:00. Hope you 
can try is whereever the rest of you are.

Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), Olathe, KS: Member #2572 IMCA 
(International Meteorite Collectors Association) : E.O.A.S. (Earth, Oceans, Atmosphere 
and Space) Blog -<http://eoas-dreric1kansas.blogspot.com/>:State of Kansas 
Solar System Ambassador: Comet Observers Coordinator- Astronomy League/ 
Astronomical Society of Kansas, KC, MO-Louisburg,KS: 
http://www.astroleague.org/al/obsclubs/comet/comet.htm: CometObserversAwardALsubscribe@yahoogroups.com - Dr. 
Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), Olathe, KS: State of Kansas Solar System 
Ambassador:Eric's Black Sun Eclipse newsletter
: Subscribe to (send your email to)< blacksuneclipse-subscribe@egroups.com>
:Website- http://members.aol.com/kcstarguy/blacksun/eclipse.htm: Satori 
Astronomy Website- 
http://members.aol.com/kcstarguy/satoriastronomy/satoriastronomy.htm

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i also spotted the comet from eudora ks @ 5:30ish my 7x50 binos showed  a condensed bright coma with a lighter fuzzy edge and what appeared to  be a fan shaped tail that looked to be about 3 deg long in the twilight.
  
  great comet!
  jeremy

s.kranz1@... wrote:I  also first spotted it at 5:30 and watched till it dropped behind  distant trees at 06:00. I put a photo in the "files" section of the  ASKC yahoo group. I'm sure Doug's photos will blow mine out of the  water though!

-scott

--
The Golden Rule of Astronomy - “If you own a telescope, you have a moral obligation to share the view!” - John Dobson

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: KCStarguy@... 
Doug Zubenel and I set up above a ridge looking West near 95th street west 
of a Church building.
Looking in binoculars and telescope , David Young spotted the comet first 
with his binocularabout 5:30. We then saw the comet with Doug's scope about 9 
degrees above horizon. Spectacular . 
I think it looked like a gold colored star like a space shuttle 
trailing a yellow-white fan shaped plume (that usually appears 
when one views a close up of the space shuttle. )
We figured it was -1.

We will try the next few days at the same spot. Come on out at 5:00. Hope you 
can try is whereever the rest of you are.

Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), Olathe, KS: Member #2572 IMCA 
(International Meteorite Collectors Association) : E.O.A.S. (Earth, Oceans, Atmosphere 
and Space) Blog -:State of Kansas 
Solar System Ambassador: Comet Observers Coordinator- Astronomy League/ 
Astronomical Society of Kansas, KC, MO-Louisburg,KS: 
http://www.astroleague.org/al/obsclubs/comet/comet.htm: CometObserversAwardALsubscribe@yahoogroups.com - Dr. 
Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), Olathe, KS: State of Kansas Solar System 
Ambassador:Eric's Black Sun Eclipse newsletter
: Subscribe to (send your email to)< blacksuneclipse-subscribe@egroups.com>
:Website- http://members.aol.com/kcstarguy/blacksun/eclipse.htm: Satori 
Astronomy Website- 
http://members.aol.com/kcstarguy/satoriastronomy/satoriastronomy.htm

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I didn't write the thing, I just forewarded it in case some people might be
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Linda Hall Library sends out notices to its Friends of the Museum members.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jay Manifold" <jaymanifold@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 8:49 PM
Subject: [ASKC] Re: FW: Brian Greene lecture -FYI


> So can only really smart people who guess the missing digit get in?
>
> "reservations call 816-92-8772"
>
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> --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "David Young" <dyoung8@...> wrote:
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> > Reservations are required and guests are welcome. All the lectures
> at Unity
> > in the past have been free and open to the public. I don't know why
> they
> > commented about guests being ok. They didn't say you had to be a
> Friends
> > member in the notice.
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> > From: "Jackie Beucher" <m31@...>
> > To: <askc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 7:20 PM
> > Subject: [ASKC] FW: Brian Greene lecture -FYI
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> > > Jackie
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> > >
> > > The Yale, Princeton and Harvard/Radcliffe Alumni associations of
> KC  and
> > the
> > > Linda Hall Library are sponsoring:
> > >
> > > The Theory of Everything
> > > Dr. Brian Greene, Columbia University
> > > Thursday, January 25, 2007
> > >
> > > Reception 5:30- 7:00 PM at Linda Hall Library (for reservations
> call
> > > 816-92-8772)
> > > Lecture 7:30 PM at the Unity Temple on the Plaza
> > >
> > > You can't do anything about the length of your life, but you can
> do
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> American
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Check out spaceweather.com today -- our very own Doug Zubenel is quoted
!

      Jackie Beucher
    EMJ - Kansas City
       800-821-2500
     Fax: 816-241-3677
Computer Fax: 630-635-4043

-----Original Message-----
From: SpaceWeather.com [mailto:swlist@...] 
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 3:59 PM
To: SpaceWeather.com
Subject: Bright Comet

Space Weather News for Jan. 7, 2006
http://spaceweather.com

BRIGHTENING COMET:  Comet McNaught is plunging toward the sun and
brightening dramatically.  It is now visible to the unaided eye both at
sunset and at dawn. Amateur photographers have found that they can take
pictures of the comet using off-the-shelf digital cameras with exposure
times less than a second.  Estimated visual magnitude: between 0 and -1.

To see Comet McNaught, a clear view of the horizon is essential. In the
morning, go outside and face east.  The comet emerges just ahead of the
rising sun. In the evening, face the other way--west. The comet pops out
of the western twilight as soon as the sun sets.  Binoculars reveal a
pretty, gaseous tail. 

Northern observers are favored.  The long, dark mornings and evenings of
Canada, Scandinavia and Alaska are ideal for viewing this comet so close
to the Sun.  But the comet has been sighted in other places, too, as far
south as Kansas in the United States and Italy in Europe.

Please visit http://Spaceweather.com for photos, finder charts, and more
information.

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We're still gonna ask for $5?

----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Re: Board Meeting


>     You can ask, but you will have to pay the deposit like the rest of us.
> Randy

Scott, David,  Where is this great spot you found to view the comet?
 dt



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> i also spotted the comet from eudora ks @ 5:30ish my 7x50 binos showed a 
> condensed bright coma with a lighter fuzzy edge and what appeared to be a fan 
> shaped tail that looked to be about 3 deg long in the twilight. 
> 
> great comet! 
> jeremy 
> 
> s.kranz1@... wrote:I also first spotted it at 5:30 and watched till it 
> dropped behind distant trees at 06:00. I put a photo in the "files" section of 
> the ASKC yahoo group. I'm sure Doug's photos will blow mine out of the water 
> though! 
> 
> -scott 
> 
> -- 
> The Golden Rule of Astronomy - “If you own a telescope, you have a moral 
> obligation to share the view!” - John Dobson 
> 
> -------------- Original message -------------- 
> From: KCStarguy@... 
> Doug Zubenel and I set up above a ridge looking West near 95th street west 
> of a Church building. 
> Looking in binoculars and telescope , David Young spotted the comet first 
> with his binocularabout 5:30. We then saw the comet with Doug's scope about 9 
> degrees above horizon. Spectacular . 
> I think it looked like a gold colored star like a space shuttle 
> trailing a yellow-white fan shaped plume (that usually appears 
> when one views a close up of the space shuttle. ) 
> We figured it was -1. 
> 
> We will try the next few days at the same spot. Come on out at 5:00. Hope you 
> can try is whereever the rest of you are. 
> 
> Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), Olathe, KS: Member #2572 IMCA 
> (International Meteorite Collectors Association) : E.O.A.S. (Earth, Oceans, 
> Atmosphere 
> and Space) Blog -:State of Kansas 
> Solar System Ambassador: Comet Observers Coordinator- Astronomy League/ 
> Astronomical Society of Kansas, KC, MO-Louisburg,KS: 
> http://www.astroleague.org/al/obsclubs/comet/comet.htm: 
> CometObserversAwardALsubscribe@yahoogroups.com - Dr. 
> Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), Olathe, KS: State of Kansas Solar System 
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We missed it.   Don't have the inter net at the new place.  No net, no 
phone.....quiet and nice sky.  Rita and I  haven't gotten use to 
walking out the door, looking up and seeing a lot of stars.

I have even seen some birds I don't know.

Joe

This is a reminder to all Board Members to read the proposed OFF-SITE 
guidlines as introduced by the committee.  This will be an agenda item 
for Thursday night.

If you can't find your copy, speak (write)up.

Joe

there is a great place to look if you are inclined to go south.This 
is where I go when I need a low horrizon.As you resch Metcalf on 
247th when you are going to the Observatory,turn left at Metcalf
(cement plant)go to the top of the hill a half a mile.just as you 
start around the curve there is a drive way to the left.You can see 
piles of gravel there,it is all paved and flat.A very low Horrizon.I 
did not know exactly where to look so I didn't spot it till 5:45 It 
looked great

Larry G 







-- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, dtrent@... wrote:
>
> Scott, David,  Where is this great spot you found to view the 
comet?
>  dt
> 
> 
> 
> -------------- Original message from azure drake 
<azure__drake@...>: -------------- 
> 
> 
> > i also spotted the comet from eudora ks @ 5:30ish my 7x50 binos 
showed a 
> > condensed bright coma with a lighter fuzzy edge and what 
appeared to be a fan 
> > shaped tail that looked to be about 3 deg long in the twilight. 
> > 
> > great comet! 
> > jeremy 
> > 
> > s.kranz1@... wrote:I also first spotted it at 5:30 and watched 
till it 
> > dropped behind distant trees at 06:00. I put a photo in 
the "files" section of 
> > the ASKC yahoo group. I'm sure Doug's photos will blow mine out 
of the water 
> > though! 
> > 
> > -scott 
> > 
> > -- 
> > The Golden Rule of Astronomy - "If you own a telescope, you have 
a moral 
> > obligation to share the view!" - John Dobson 
> > 
> > -------------- Original message -------------- 
> > From: KCStarguy@... 
> > Doug Zubenel and I set up above a ridge looking West near 95th 
street west 
> > of a Church building. 
> > Looking in binoculars and telescope , David Young spotted the 
comet first 
> > with his binocularabout 5:30. We then saw the comet with Doug's 
scope about 9 
> > degrees above horizon. Spectacular . 
> > I think it looked like a gold colored star like a space shuttle 
> > trailing a yellow-white fan shaped plume (that usually appears 
> > when one views a close up of the space shuttle. ) 
> > We figured it was -1. 
> > 
> > We will try the next few days at the same spot. Come on out at 
5:00. Hope you 
> > can try is whereever the rest of you are. 
> > 
> > Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), Olathe, KS: Member #2572 IMCA 
> > (International Meteorite Collectors Association) : E.O.A.S. 
(Earth, Oceans, 
> > Atmosphere 
> > and Space) Blog -:State of Kansas 
> > Solar System Ambassador: Comet Observers Coordinator- Astronomy 
League/ 
> > Astronomical Society of Kansas, KC, MO-Louisburg,KS: 
> > http://www.astroleague.org/al/obsclubs/comet/comet.htm: 
> > CometObserversAwardALsubscribe@yahoogroups.com - Dr. 
> > Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), Olathe, KS: State of Kansas Solar 
System 
> > Ambassador:Eric's Black Sun Eclipse newsletter 
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My backyard in Raymore, south side of the Lowes and east-southeast of the Wal-Mart.

N38 48 34
W094 29 24

-Scott


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From: dtrent@... 

> Scott, David, Where is this great spot you found to view the comet? 
> dt 
> 
> 
> 
> -------------- Original message from azure drake : 
> -------------- 
> 
> 
> > i also spotted the comet from eudora ks @ 5:30ish my 7x50 binos showed a 
> > condensed bright coma with a lighter fuzzy edge and what appeared to be a fan 
> > shaped tail that looked to be about 3 deg long in the twilight. 
> > 
> > great comet! 
> > jeremy 
> > 
> > s.kranz1@... wrote:I also first spotted it at 5:30 and watched till it 
> > dropped behind distant trees at 06:00. I put a photo in the "files" section of 
> > the ASKC yahoo group. I'm sure Doug's photos will blow mine out of the water 
> > though! 
> > 
> > -scott 
> > 
> > -- 
> > The Golden Rule of Astronomy - “If you own a telescope, you have a moral 
> > obligation to share the view!” - John Dobson 
> > 
> > -------------- Original message -------------- 
> > From: KCStarguy@... 
> > Doug Zubenel and I set up above a ridge looking West near 95th street west 
> > of a Church building. 
> > Looking in binoculars and telescope , David Young spotted the comet first 
> > with his binocularabout 5:30. We then saw the comet with Doug's scope about 9 
> > degrees above horizon. Spectacular . 
> > I think it looked like a gold colored star like a space shuttle 
> > trailing a yellow-white fan shaped plume (that usually appears 
> > when one views a close up of the space shuttle. ) 
> > We figured it was -1. 
> > 
> > We will try the next few days at the same spot. Come on out at 5:00. Hope you 
> > can try is whereever the rest of you are. 
> > 
> > Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), Olathe, KS: Member #2572 IMCA 
> > (International Meteorite Collectors Association) : E.O.A.S. (Earth, Oceans, 
> > Atmosphere 
> > and Space) Blog -:State of Kansas 
> > Solar System Ambassador: Comet Observers Coordinator- Astronomy League/ 
> > Astronomical Society of Kansas, KC, MO-Louisburg,KS: 
> > http://www.astroleague.org/al/obsclubs/comet/comet.htm: 
> > CometObserversAwardALsubscribe@yahoogroups.com - Dr. 
> > Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), Olathe, KS: State of Kansas Solar System 
> > Ambassador:Eric's Black Sun Eclipse newsletter 
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> > :Website- http://members.aol.com/kcstarguy/blacksun/eclipse.htm: Satori 
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The 1 GB ones are now $14.99.

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woof, woof
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Wright" <jswright@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 11:10 AM
Subject: [ASKC] Board Reading Assignment


> This is a reminder to all Board Members to read the proposed OFF-SITE 
> guidlines as introduced by the committee.  This will be an agenda item 
> for Thursday night.
> 
> If you can't find your copy, speak (write)up.
> 
> Joe
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 
> 

i need a copy

Kurt


--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Wright" <jswright@...> wrote:
>
> This is a reminder to all Board Members to read the proposed OFF-
SITE 
> guidlines as introduced by the committee.  This will be an agenda 
item 
> for Thursday night.
> 
> If you can't find your copy, speak (write)up.
> 
> Joe
>

Gary, what was/is Joes complete email? I was thinking of attending.
Would anyone else like to go and want to discuss riding together?


--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Gary Pittman" <namttip@...> wrote:
>
> Forwarding this in case anyone is interested in attending. Contact
Jim Roe
> at  jroe@...  if you have an interest.
> 
> 
> Clear skies,
>  
> Gary Pittman
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Roe [mailto:jroe@...] 
> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 11:20 AM
> To: STLAstronomy@yahoogroups.com; MSRAL@yahoogroups.com; Jerry;
> namttip@...; Baum, Francis J; rick.schwentker@...;
> jamescuca@...; hardy.larry@...; cp50m51@...
> Subject: Digital Astro-Imaging Workshop
> 
> Alliance for Astronomy, Inc. is proposing to sponsor a Digital
Astro-Imaging
> Workshop.  The date of the workshop and content are tentative, depending
> upon the amount of interest shown in participation. 
>   Consider this a first announcement and please forward to individuals,
> clubs, groups, email lists, etc for which you think there may be
interest.
> 
> We are looking at Saturday, February 24, 2007 at Weldon Spring,
Missouri.  A
> tentative agenda is
> 
> 9:00 am - 10:00 am: Basics - What is a digital image, how is it
captured,
> rough divisions of astrophotography (ie, lunar and planetary, deep sky,
> scientific).
> 
> 10:00am - 11:00 am: Lunar and Planetary - basic techniques with web
cams,
> avi capture (K3CCDtools?), aligning and stacking (Registax?), wavelet
> filtering, post-processing.
> 
> 11:00 am - Noon: Deep Sky - basic techniques for long exposures,
stacking,
> filters, processing - illustrate with one or more astronomical image
> processing programs (AIP4Win, others?)
> 
> Noon - 1:00 pm:  Lunch provided by Alliance, open discussion
> 
> 1:00 pm - 2:00 pm: Photoshop(/GIMP?) techniques
> 
> 2:00 pm - 3:00 pm: Scientific imaging - astrometry, photometry
> 
> 3:00 pm - ??: Open discussion, individual matters
> 
> We have lined up some of the presenters, but if you would like to
> contribute, please email me directly.  This is intended to be a
workshop,
> ie, the talks will be tutorial in nature, but we will consider
poster papers
> in which the author explains some of his/her astro imaging projects.
> Contact me directly if you have interest in such.
> 
> Please respond soon if you have interest in participating.  There
will be no
> charge for the workshop and we may be able to arrange overnight
housing for
> out-of-town participants.  Again, contact me.  Soon!
> 
> Jim Roe
>

Wow!!!  I finally got to see the comet--from our living room window:)
The shape of the tail was easy to see both naked eye and binoc.  I noted the time as 5:40 pm when I first spotted it.
Too bad I didn't have a camera ready as an airplane went under on final approach to Eppley airfield.  I hope tomorrow is as great a view.

JoDee

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Me and Sara went out tonight and WOW! it increased in brightness 
greatly since last night!  Beautiful in 10x50's!!!!

George was right; the tail was easily visible with the naked-eye as 
well as the bright fuzzy ball of a coma!

Didn't get any photos tonight.  Only hope the clear weather stays for 
a couple more days.

Only a couple more days of visibility.  Comet will be lost for us by 
the 11th or 12th.  If you haven't seen it yet, get out there!

-Scott

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "George Allen" <geonjod@...> wrote:
>
> 
> Wow!!!  I finally got to see the comet--from our living room window:)
> The shape of the tail was easy to see both naked eye and binoc.  I 
noted the time as 5:40 pm when I first spotted it.
> Too bad I didn't have a camera ready as an airplane went under on 
final approach to Eppley airfield.  I hope tomorrow is as great a view.
> 
> JoDee
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

   While waiting for the basketball game to start I mentioned to a
couple students that a comet was visible. They of course, thought it
was Mr. Gray messing with them. I went to the truck, got the
binoculers and promptly showed them! After 5 minutes I had a line of
15 kids waiting to see it. The shouts of "I SEE IT!" were very cool. I
may have just converted some into thinking Mr.Grays earth science
class isn't such a waste of time.
   It was fairly bright and easy to see 15-20 degrees above the
horizon with the tail pointing almost directly up. They were also
astonished to see Venus.

Joe:
     Would like to know the status of the 2-1/2" X 12"
X 15" plates to be mounted on the pier for the wedge
and 12" scope located in the AIC. It has been almost
two years since Tim and I have been able to color
image in the AIC. Awaiting your timely
reply.....................    Bill Boyle
--- Joe Wright <jswright@...> wrote:

> This is a reminder to all Board Members to read the
> proposed OFF-SITE 
> guidlines as introduced by the committee.  This will
> be an agenda item 
> for Thursday night.
> 
> If you can't find your copy, speak (write)up.
> 
> Joe
> 
> 


__________________________________________________
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Scott, I found it first, then showed George where it was.  I took a photo
with my Sony camera on full telephoto, handheld, holding real still against
the window glass.  It shows the comet and tail but isn't really very good. 
Not at all like the ones on Spaceweather.

JoDee


> [Original Message]
> From: Scott Kranz <s.kranz1@...>
> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: 1/8/2007 6:37:22 PM
> Subject: [ASKC] Re: McNaught
>
> Me and Sara went out tonight and WOW! it increased in brightness 
> greatly since last night!  Beautiful in 10x50's!!!!
>
> George was right; the tail was easily visible with the naked-eye as 
> well as the bright fuzzy ball of a coma!
>
> Didn't get any photos tonight.  Only hope the clear weather stays for 
> a couple more days.
>
> Only a couple more days of visibility.  Comet will be lost for us by 
> the 11th or 12th.  If you haven't seen it yet, get out there!
>
> -Scott
>
> --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "George Allen" <geonjod@...> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Wow!!!  I finally got to see the comet--from our living room window:)
> > The shape of the tail was easy to see both naked eye and binoc.  I 
> noted the time as 5:40 pm when I first spotted it.
> > Too bad I didn't have a camera ready as an airplane went under on 
> final approach to Eppley airfield.  I hope tomorrow is as great a view.
> > 
> > JoDee
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
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>  
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Darrick,
 
Jim Roe is the individual who sent out this notice. I'm not sure which Joe
you are referring to but Jim's address is:
 
jroe@...
 
Clear skies,
 
Gary Pittman
 

  _____  

From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Darrick
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 4:06 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Re: FW: Digital Astro-Imaging Workshop



Gary, what was/is Joes complete email? I was thinking of attending.
Would anyone else like to go and want to discuss riding together?

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups. <mailto:ASKC%40yahoogroups.com> com, "Gary Pittman"
<namttip@...> wrote:
>
> Forwarding this in case anyone is interested in attending. Contact
Jim Roe
> at jroe@... if you have an interest.
> 
> 
> Clear skies,
> 
> Gary Pittman
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Roe [mailto:jroe@...] 
> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 11:20 AM
> To: STLAstronomy@ <mailto:STLAstronomy%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com;
MSRAL@yahoogroups. <mailto:MSRAL%40yahoogroups.com> com; Jerry;
> namttip@...; Baum, Francis J; rick.schwentker@...;
> jamescuca@...; hardy.larry@...; cp50m51@...
> Subject: Digital Astro-Imaging Workshop
> 
> Alliance for Astronomy, Inc. is proposing to sponsor a Digital
Astro-Imaging
> Workshop. The date of the workshop and content are tentative, depending
> upon the amount of interest shown in participation. 
> Consider this a first announcement and please forward to individuals,
> clubs, groups, email lists, etc for which you think there may be
interest.
> 
> We are looking at Saturday, February 24, 2007 at Weldon Spring,
Missouri. A
> tentative agenda is
> 
> 9:00 am - 10:00 am: Basics - What is a digital image, how is it
captured,
> rough divisions of astrophotography (ie, lunar and planetary, deep sky,
> scientific).
> 
> 10:00am - 11:00 am: Lunar and Planetary - basic techniques with web
cams,
> avi capture (K3CCDtools?), aligning and stacking (Registax?), wavelet
> filtering, post-processing.
> 
> 11:00 am - Noon: Deep Sky - basic techniques for long exposures,
stacking,
> filters, processing - illustrate with one or more astronomical image
> processing programs (AIP4Win, others?)
> 
> Noon - 1:00 pm: Lunch provided by Alliance, open discussion
> 
> 1:00 pm - 2:00 pm: Photoshop(/GIMP?) techniques
> 
> 2:00 pm - 3:00 pm: Scientific imaging - astrometry, photometry
> 
> 3:00 pm - ??: Open discussion, individual matters
> 
> We have lined up some of the presenters, but if you would like to
> contribute, please email me directly. This is intended to be a
workshop,
> ie, the talks will be tutorial in nature, but we will consider
poster papers
> in which the author explains some of his/her astro imaging projects.
> Contact me directly if you have interest in such.
> 
> Please respond soon if you have interest in participating. There
will be no
> charge for the workshop and we may be able to arrange overnight
housing for
> out-of-town participants. Again, contact me. Soon!
> 
> Jim Roe
>



 


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I too could use a copy. I'm not sure I ever had one.
 
Clear skies,
 
Gary Pittman
 

  _____  

From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joe
Wright
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 11:10 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Board Reading Assignment



This is a reminder to all Board Members to read the proposed OFF-SITE 
guidlines as introduced by the committee. This will be an agenda item 
for Thursday night.

If you can't find your copy, speak (write)up.

Joe



 


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Marcia,

My phone number is 913-397-0094.  My home email is paulvera@swbell.net.

Thanks,

Vera


--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, Marcia Young <mryoung@...> wrote:
>
> It'll be in the Feb. issue. Want to add a phone number or contact 
> e-mail?
> M
> On Jan 6, 2007, at 2:01 PM, George Allen wrote:
> 
> > arcia, thanks for the suggestion. Could you run an ad for my new 10 
> > inch
> >  Hardin Deep Space Hunter w/32mm, 25mm, 9mm, moon filter & 2X barlow, 
> > 2 inch
> >  Crayford focuser, 8x50 finder, all the factory charts and paperwork?
> >  Assembled, but never used. $725 George Allen
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Test
Randy

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I have uploaded a Word doc file of the Offsite Guidelines to the ASKC Yahoo Group Files section.

The file can be found described as Guidelines for Off-Site Star Party Fees.

I will still plan on bringing a few hard copies with me on Thursday.

Rick Henderson



  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: kurtheck1 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 3:40 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] Re: Board Reading Assignment


  i need a copy

  Kurt

  --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Wright" <jswright@...> wrote:
  >
  > This is a reminder to all Board Members to read the proposed OFF-
  SITE 
  > guidlines as introduced by the committee. This will be an agenda 
  item 
  > for Thursday night.
  > 
  > If you can't find your copy, speak (write)up.
  > 
  > Joe
  >



   

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Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the ASKC 
group.

  File        : /Guidelines for OFF SITE ASKC Board.doc 
  Uploaded by : zorak909 <rhenderson1@...> 
  Description : Offsite Star Party Fee Guidelines 

You can access this file at the URL:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ASKC/files/Guidelines%20for%20OFF%20SITE%20ASKC%20Board.doc 

To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files

Regards,

zorak909 <rhenderson1@...>
 

    testing testing testing

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Doug Zubenel and I saw the comet again tonight in Shawnee Mission, KS ( West 
of Kansas City) USA. Seemed even brighter with the gold-white coma, the fan 
light -yellow tail. It seemed brighter tonight with the filmy hood around the 
coma more distinct. 
I took this shot with my digital kodak 290, 2 sec at 100 asa looking through 
Doug's 6 inch telescope as the comet was going toward the trees. (The red dot 
is a tower light in the trees). Another highlight was the spectacular look 
through binoculars. Compared to night before Coma was brighter, tail was longer 
stretching at least 1 degree or more angling to Northwest. 
What a splendid sight!!

I will have a pic up on my blog (see below) tonight.


Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), Olathe, KS: Member #2572 IMCA 
(International Meteorite Collectors Association) : E.O.A.S. (Earth, Oceans, Atmosphere 
and Space) Blog -<http://eoas-dreric1kansas.blogspot.com/>:State of Kansas 
Solar System Ambassador: Comet Observers Coordinator- Astronomy   League/ 
Astronomical Society of Kansas, KC, MO-Louisburg,KS: 
http://www.astroleague.org/al/obsclubs/comet/comet.htm: CometObserversAwardALsubscribe@yahoogroups.com - Dr. 
Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), Olathe, KS: State of Kansas Solar System 
Ambassador:Eric's Black Sun Eclipse newsletter
: Subscribe to (send your email to)< blacksuneclipse-subscribe@egroups.com>
:Website- http://members.aol.com/kcstarguy/blacksun/eclipse.htm: Satori 
Astronomy Website- 
http://members.aol.com/kcstarguy/satoriastronomy/satoriastronomy.htm


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Zubenel pic at:
 
_http://spaceweather.com_ (http://spaceweather.com) 
 
fyi  
 fr: Mike Sterling


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http://eoas-dreric1kansas.blogspot.com/

Doug Zubenel and I saw the comet again tonight. Seemed even brighter with the 
gold-white coma, the fan light -yellow tail. It seemed brighter tonight with 
the filmy hood around the coma more distinct. I took this shot with my digital 
kodak 290, 2 sec at 100 asa looking through Doug's telescope as the comet was 
going toward the trees. (The red dot is a tower light in the trees). Another 
highlight was the spectacular look through binoculars. Compared to night 
before Coma was brighter, tail was longer stretching at least 1 degree or more 
angling to Northwest. What a splendid sight!!

You have until th 12th to catch it.
? let me know

Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), Olathe, KS: Member #2572 IMCA 
(International Meteorite Collectors Association) : E.O.A.S. (Earth, Oceans, Atmosphere 
and Space) Blog -<http://eoas-dreric1kansas.blogspot.com/>:State of Kansas 
Solar System Ambassador: Comet Observers Coordinator- Astronomy   League/ 
Astronomical Society of Kansas, KC, MO-Louisburg,KS: 
http://www.astroleague.org/al/obsclubs/comet/comet.htm: CometObserversAwardALsubscribe@yahoogroups.com - Dr. 
Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), Olathe, KS: State of Kansas Solar System 
Ambassador:Eric's Black Sun Eclipse newsletter
: Subscribe to (send your email to)< blacksuneclipse-subscribe@egroups.com>
:Website- http://members.aol.com/kcstarguy/blacksun/eclipse.htm: Satori 
Astronomy Website- 
http://members.aol.com/kcstarguy/satoriastronomy/satoriastronomy.htm


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Bill:

I am rounding the edges and will be taking the plates this weekend 
during the work party.  Weather permitting.  I have been looking at 
some of pictures I took, to decide how to mount them.  I'll be hunting 
the bolts this week.  Even though we have a hand drawn diagram from the 
manufacturer, I still would like to the the wedge dry fitted first.  
With the holiday and being ill, I haven't been down to Powell.

Joe

If you are asking where Doug, Eric and David Y observed it:

Go west on 95th street from K-7. Continue past all of the road closed signs
until you come to a tee intersection. Jog south a hundred feet or so and
pull into the road. This is a housing development under construction so no
traffic up that road. We had a couple of people stop by and ask what were up
to but they left before we found the comet.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <dtrent@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: [ASKC] we saw comet McNaught after sunset


Scott, David,  Where is this great spot you found to view the comet?
 dt

I have an excellant spot in south Overland Park where I view comets. 
Located on the hill about 100 yards south of the First Family Church 
between Metcalf and 69 Hwy at 143rd Street.

Last night the comet was about 20-25 degrees from Venus - about 4:00 
o'clock.

Very bright in binos - blew me away!   Dan Johnson










--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "David Young" <dyoung8@...> wrote:
>
> If you are asking where Doug, Eric and David Y observed it:
> 
> Go west on 95th street from K-7. Continue past all of the road 
closed signs
> until you come to a tee intersection. Jog south a hundred feet or 
so and
> pull into the road. This is a housing development under 
construction so no
> traffic up that road. We had a couple of people stop by and ask 
what were up
> to but they left before we found the comet.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <dtrent@...>
> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 10:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [ASKC] we saw comet McNaught after sunset
> 
> 
> Scott, David,  Where is this great spot you found to view the 
comet?
>  dt
>

Larry Goode and I showed up tonight at the spot he mentioned near 
247th and Metcalf. We had some clouds in the West but the view was 
still pretty good. I posted a picture in the photo section in the 
Doug S. folder 
http://tech.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/ASKC/photos/browse/e53a
Even though I was shooting through some cloudiness you can see the 
tail if you look carefully.
The comet was visible from about 5:30pm to 6pm.
Doug S.



--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "gdj561956" <gdj102356@...> wrote:
>
> I have an excellant spot in south Overland Park where I view 
comets. 
> Located on the hill about 100 yards south of the First Family 
Church 
> between Metcalf and 69 Hwy at 143rd Street.
> 
> Last night the comet was about 20-25 degrees from Venus - about 
4:00 
> o'clock.
> 
> Very bright in binos - blew me away!   Dan Johnson
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "David Young" <dyoung8@> wrote:
> >
> > If you are asking where Doug, Eric and David Y observed it:
> > 
> > Go west on 95th street from K-7. Continue past all of the road 
> closed signs
> > until you come to a tee intersection. Jog south a hundred feet 
or 
> so and
> > pull into the road. This is a housing development under 
> construction so no
> > traffic up that road. We had a couple of people stop by and ask 
> what were up
> > to but they left before we found the comet.
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: <dtrent@>
> > To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 10:31 AM
> > Subject: Re: [ASKC] we saw comet McNaught after sunset
> > 
> > 
> > Scott, David,  Where is this great spot you found to view the 
> comet?
> >  dt
> >
>

fyi
Galileo tonight History Channel 9pm
Sterling


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Doug had a 1000mm camera setup tonight. I'm looking forward to some interesting shots. Eric has a pair of giant binocs set up and there were several other people with cameras and video equipment set up. Tony Kostusik was there also. I set up my 120mm refractor and shared views with the crowd. I thought I could detect a little bit of asymetry in the tail. It was a little more difuse on one side and a little more sharply defined on the other. Doug suggested that might be due to the start of curvature of the tail? It was MUCH brighter tonight and a longer tail visable. Maybe we'll be lucky enough to have another clear night!

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   Again, I was at school. I managed to see the comet with naked eye
and able to pick it up in the scope so I could show a few parents and
students. Agian,I got to see and hear the I SEE IT! That absolutely
never gets old.  
   Side note - My astronomy class has a real shot at happening!!!! The
logistics of the educational heirarchy still could kill it simply
because it is a rational well thought out plan. It almost makes to
much sense. If it does, we might build some 4" dobs. Would anyone mind
being a guest speaker in the "how to" phase?

Darrik, if you would like to ride to the board meeting with sharon and 
I you are welcome to do so.We usually leave about 5:00 so we can stop 
by BBs B B Q for ribs on the way there.let me know if interested.

Larry G




--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Darrick" <earthdude123@...> wrote:
>
>    Again, I was at school. I managed to see the comet with naked eye
> and able to pick it up in the scope so I could show a few parents and
> students. Agian,I got to see and hear the I SEE IT! That absolutely
> never gets old.  
>    Side note - My astronomy class has a real shot at happening!!!! 
The
> logistics of the educational heirarchy still could kill it simply
> because it is a rational well thought out plan. It almost makes to
> much sense. If it does, we might build some 4" dobs. Would anyone 
mind
> being a guest speaker in the "how to" phase?
>

We had clear skies out here in Warrensburg and the comet was amazing. 
Very bright core and what appeared to be a split tail (plasma and 
dust perhaps now that the angle is changing so fast?) It also seemed 
to set very, very fast. I have a couple of shots up on 
www.icstars.com take a look!

Vic


At 09:58 PM 1/9/2007, you wrote:
>Darrik, if you would like to ride to the board meeting with sharon and
>I you are welcome to do so.We usually leave about 5:00 so we can stop
>by BBs B B Q for ribs on the way there.let me know if interested.
>
>Larry G
>
>
>
>
>--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Darrick" <earthdude123@...> wrote:
> >
> >    Again, I was at school. I managed to see the comet with naked eye
> > and able to pick it up in the scope so I could show a few parents and
> > students. Agian,I got to see and hear the I SEE IT! That absolutely
> > never gets old.
> >    Side note - My astronomy class has a real shot at happening!!!!
>The
> > logistics of the educational heirarchy still could kill it simply
> > because it is a rational well thought out plan. It almost makes to
> > much sense. If it does, we might build some 4" dobs. Would anyone
>mind
> > being a guest speaker in the "how to" phase?
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Vic Winter, Owner
DayStar Filters LLC www.DayStarFilters.com
ICSTARS Astronomy www.icstars.com
StarGarden Foundation - www.StarGardenFoundation.org
Southern Skies Star Party Director - www.sssp.org
NASA/JPL Solar System Ambassador

How high above the horizon was it?  My grandson and I went out tonight...
Had a fairly good view of the western horizon... Had a good view of Venus,
but there did appear to be some low lying clouds and we were unable to get a
view of the comet.  We were also observing between 5:30 and 6 pm.


Dave in Shawnee

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Doug Spalding" <boilerhawk@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 8:49 PM
Subject: [ASKC] Re: we saw comet McNaught after sunset


> Larry Goode and I showed up tonight at the spot he mentioned near
> 247th and Metcalf. We had some clouds in the West but the view was
> still pretty good. I posted a picture in the photo section in the
> Doug S. folder
> http://tech.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/ASKC/photos/browse/e53a
> Even though I was shooting through some cloudiness you can see the
> tail if you look carefully.
> The comet was visible from about 5:30pm to 6pm.
> Doug S.
>
>

TV 9 might run a video Doug Z shot of the comet tonight on the 10:00 news.

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NASA has decreed that metric units will be used for all of the new lunar program missions.

Darn, no more furlongs per fortnight velocity readings.

 I wonder how many losses will result from improper conversions with the rest of the US and most suppliers still mired in the "English" system?

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It looks like Yahoo is really starting to delay posts. I sent the note about Doug Z at 9:10 PM last night. I sent the metric moon note in the early afternoon.

Better not hope to get any fast word out with the yahoo group.

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Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the ASKC 
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Hello,

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I posted 2 more images of the comet I took last night.

the images are labeld McNaught3 and McNaught4 in the "files" section of the ASKC yahoogroup.

-Scott

--
The Golden Rule of Astronomy - “If you own a telescope, you have a moral obligation to share the view!” - John Dobson

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Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the ASKC 
group.

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When I start seeing it at 5:30, it's about 5 degrees above the horizon.

I have yet to see it in the morning.

-Scott

--
The Golden Rule of Astronomy - “If you own a telescope, you have a moral obligation to share the view!” - John Dobson

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: "Dave Baker" <DBAKER5@...> 
How high above the horizon was it? My grandson and I went out tonight...
Had a fairly good view of the western horizon... Had a good view of Venus,
but there did appear to be some low lying clouds and we were unable to get a
view of the comet. We were also observing between 5:30 and 6 pm.

Dave in Shawnee

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Doug Spalding" <boilerhawk@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 8:49 PM
Subject: [ASKC] Re: we saw comet McNaught after sunset

> Larry Goode and I showed up tonight at the spot he mentioned near
> 247th and Metcalf. We had some clouds in the West but the view was
> still pretty good. I posted a picture in the photo section in the
> Doug S. folder
> http://tech.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/ASKC/photos/browse/e53a
> Even though I was shooting through some cloudiness you can see the
> tail if you look carefully.
> The comet was visible from about 5:30pm to 6pm.
> Doug S.
>
>


 

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Sending this one at 11:03 AM CST Wed 16 Jan.

Er, that would be 10 Jan.  Replying at 11:15.

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Manifold" <jaymanifold@...> wrote:
>
> Sending this one at 11:03 AM CST Wed 16 Jan.
>

A guy at work was telling me he heard about a new comet that the Fox 4 traffic chopper seen in the east this morning.  They were telling people to look lower left of Venus to spot it.........

hmmmmmm I think they meant to say JUPITER!

--
The Golden Rule of Astronomy - “If you own a telescope, you have a moral obligation to share the view!” - John Dobson

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: s.kranz1@... 

> I posted 2 more images of the comet I took last night. 
> 
> the images are labeld McNaught3 and McNaught4 in the "files" section of the ASKC 
> yahoogroup. 
> 
> -Scott 
> 
> -- 
> The Golden Rule of Astronomy - “If you own a telescope, you have a moral 
> obligation to share the view!” - John Dobson 
> 
> -------------- Original message -------------- 
> From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
> 
> Hello, 
> 
> This email message is a notification to let you know that 
> a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the ASKC 
> group. 
> 
> File : /McNaught3.JPG 
> Uploaded by : stripe1966 
> Description : 2007-01-09 
> 
> You can access this file at the URL: 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ASKC/files/McNaught3.JPG 
> 
> To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: 
> http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files 
> 
> Regards, 
> 
> stripe1966 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links 
> 
> 
> 

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ck out the  time & date in the sent line ....????
 
Sterling
I ck'd my computer - all times are showing correctly ...
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: jaymanifold@...
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 9:03 AM
Subject: [ASKC] Timing Test


Sending this one at 11:03 AM CST Wed 16 Jan.


 
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Nice shots, Scott!  Haven't seen McNaught yet (I've been on the road the
last few days) but hope to glimpse it tonight or tomorrow morning before the
clouds sock us in.

 
Dick Harshaw
KC, MO
 
"Prediction is very difficult, especially it it's about the future."  --
Neils Bohr


-----Original Message-----
From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
s.kranz1@...
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 10:21 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] New file uploaded to ASKC

I posted 2 more images of the comet I took last night.

the images are labeld McNaught3 and McNaught4 in the "files" section of the
ASKC yahoogroup.

-Scott

--
The Golden Rule of Astronomy - "If you own a telescope, you have a moral
obligation to share the view!" - John Dobson

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the ASKC 
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Uploaded by : stripe1966 <s.kranz1@...> 
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Yahoo! Groups Links

Let's do the time warp again? It looks like messages sent during the day go
through pretty fast. It's the evening ones that were sloooowwwww.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jay Manifold" <jaymanifold@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 11:15 AM
Subject: [ASKC] Re: Timing Test


> Er, that would be 10 Jan.  Replying at 11:15.
>
> --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Manifold" <jaymanifold@...> wrote:
> >
> > Sending this one at 11:03 AM CST Wed 16 Jan.
> >

Just an update:

There seems to be some question about whether you can see the very low comet from Powell ....or at least see it for very long due to the trees. 

David Young and others have seen it from a site west of Overland Park on 95th St...continuing through road blocks to an overlook with good view of the horizon.   

So - look for a really good western horizon. 

Dave H. 

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I assume most of you get the SpaceWeather updates?  This last one had a bit that got me thinking....
""Meanwhile, solar heating will continue to puff up the comet, causing it to brighten even more.  It could 
become one of the brightest comets in centuries, visible even in daylit skies. ""

As stellarly (is that a word?) bright as the coma is, even though it won't be visible to us in the night, I could definitely see how it might be visible during the daytime!  I've seen Mercury, Venus, Juipter, and Saturn in the daytime before.  I will have to reference GUIDE and see what the path is and try to locate it next week if it continues to stay bright.  It will have to be during the middle of the day though since, it is dropping straight south.  It would have to be before January 25th as well when it finally never rises here again.

Has anyone here actually seen a comet in the daylight hours????  And no, seeing one during totality does NOT count!

-scott

--
The Golden Rule of Astronomy - “If you own a telescope, you have a moral obligation to share the view!” - John Dobson

-------------- Forwarded Message: -------------- 
From: SpaceWeather.com <swlist@...> 
To: SpaceWeather.com <swlist@...> 
Subject: Brightest Comet in 30 Years 
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 18:31:43 +0000 

Space Weather News for Jan. 10, 2007 
http://spaceweather.com 

Comet McNaught has continued to brighten as it approaches the sun and it is now 
the brightest comet in 30 years. For observers in the northern Hemisphere, 
tonight is probably the best time to see it: Go outside this evening and face 
the sunset. A clear view of the western horizon is essential, because the comet 
hangs very low. As the twilight fades to black, it should become visible to the 
naked eye. Observers say it's a fantastic sight through binoculars. 

In the days ahead, Comet McNaught will pass the sun and emerge in good position 
for southern hemisphere viewing later this month. Meanwhile, solar heating will 
continue to puff up the comet, causing it to brighten even more. It could 
become one of the brightest comets in centuries, visible even in daylit skies. 

Visit http://spaceweather.com for photos and updates. 

You are currently subscribed to spaceweather as: s.kranz1@.... 

To unsubscribe click here: 
http://www.spaceweather2.com/u?id=664592P&n=T&l=spaceweather 
or send a blank email to leave-spaceweather-664592P@... 

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Last year we had about 40 members show up for the Marathon.  Over half 
of them were new members and their first time out to the dark sky 
site.  I think the option of having food there brought a lot out.  As 
they say - Feed them and they will come!

Has anyone thought about this year's Marathon and food yet?  Maybe 
discuss it at the Board meeting Thursday night?

-scott

Hi Folks,

I just saw the beautiful photos ( see the Gallery) of Comet McNaught on Spaceweather.com - see http://spaceweather.com/comets/gallery_mcnaught_page3.htm.

Wow! 

The website reports the comet was -2 mag last night and perhaps brighter tonight!  The website says this may be the brightest comet in decades. That's enough for me, heh-heh!!

If it stays clear I will be at Powell tonight (good western view) before sunset to take some photos. 

Anybody want to join the fun?  : ^ )

Dave H.  

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Norton has detected W32.licum and also Download virus' on this PC.  Download has been taken out, and licum is quarantined.  If anyone can offer advise about this stuff, please do so.  I freely admit to opening some feel good crap and jokes sent to me by the less gifted owners of PC's.  You know, the people that leave 30 addresses on the top of the "forwarded" witticism.  How can I get rid of this traffic without hurting their feelings?  That is almost surely what the bugs rode in on.

I hear that "listers" make up cute messages, add a trojan and send them out to gather valid email addresses that can be sold to spammers.  Why would anyone with an IQ higher than their age "forward" such a message with all the addresses intact?  More than that, why do they send it on at all???  

We could not find McNaught this morning despite fairly clear skies.  But it was a grand sight last night and we will be ready tonight.  

Geo.

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I was planning on doing the food for one of the nights.

Any helpers out there...  Hamburgers and Hotdogs. (Maybe sell a steak or two
or pork chops.)

D. Fox

-----Original Message-----
From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott
Kranz
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 3:11 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Messier Marathon

Last year we had about 40 members show up for the Marathon.  Over half of
them were new members and their first time out to the dark sky site.  I
think the option of having food there brought a lot out.  As they say - Feed
them and they will come!

Has anyone thought about this year's Marathon and food yet?  Maybe discuss
it at the Board meeting Thursday night?

-scott





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

David.Doug spaulding and I saw it very well from just north of 
observatoty.I will he there again tonight.247theast to Metcalf north 
to curve driveway on left turn left gravel piles and High loader 

Larry G






--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "David Hudgins" <dhudgins@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Folks,
> 
> I just saw the beautiful photos ( see the Gallery) of Comet 
McNaught on Spaceweather.com - see 
http://spaceweather.com/comets/gallery_mcnaught_page3.htm.
> 
> Wow! 
> 
> The website reports the comet was -2 mag last night and perhaps 
brighter tonight!  The website says this may be the brightest comet 
in decades. That's enough for me, heh-heh!!
> 
> If it stays clear I will be at Powell tonight (good western view) 
before sunset to take some photos. 
> 
> Anybody want to join the fun?  : ^ )
> 
> Dave H.  
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

I think that would be a better bet, David, than at Powell.  I think with the trees to the west, you won't be able to see low enough to pick the comet up.

--
The Golden Rule of Astronomy - “If you own a telescope, you have a moral obligation to share the view!” - John Dobson

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: "larry goode" <lagoode916@...> 
David.Doug spaulding and I saw it very well from just north of 
observatoty.I will he there again tonight.247theast to Metcalf north 
to curve driveway on left turn left gravel piles and High loader 

Larry G

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "David Hudgins" <dhudgins@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Folks,
> 
> I just saw the beautiful photos ( see the Gallery) of Comet 
McNaught on Spaceweather.com - see 
http://spaceweather.com/comets/gallery_mcnaught_page3.htm.
> 
> Wow! 
> 
> The website reports the comet was -2 mag last night and perhaps 
brighter tonight! The website says this may be the brightest comet 
in decades. That's enough for me, heh-heh!!
> 
> If it stays clear I will be at Powell tonight (good western view) 
before sunset to take some photos. 
> 
> Anybody want to join the fun? : ^ )
> 
> Dave H. 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>


 

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--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "George Allen" <geonjod@...> wrote:
I freely admit to opening some feel good crap and jokes sent to me by
the less gifted owners of PC's.  You know, the people that leave 30
addresses on the top of the "forwarded" witticism.  How can I get rid
of this traffic without hurting their feelings?



I have no qualms what so ever on telling these people
1) take me off your list 
and if that doesn't work, then I tell them
2) I will report them to their ISP for sending viruses.
Friendship has nothing to do with it.
They need to clean up their act and be responsible.
Virus protection software is a must (hence they wouldn't be getting
and sending these things).
If not, they don't need internet access! PERIOD.

Rob

Sometimes you can be too polite at your own risk. Tell the people sending
you the stuff to either get an outbound virus scanner and cut all the extra
crap out or stop sending it to you. I for one like to get some of the jokes
and other stuff that come through. There are a few folks that I just delete
the message without looking past the second forward that comes up.

Pillars of Creation Toppled By Stellar Blast
_http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/070109_toppled_pillars.html_ 
(http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/070109_toppled_pillars.html) 
 
FYI if u haven't seen this yet ... interesting ...
Sterling


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The trees may cut 1/2 hour out of your viewing time. I'll be back out west
of K-7 on 95th street again. It occurs to me that the Sky Scout might be
great for finding the comet in the daytime! I'm going to take it tonight to
play around with. I can find Polaris in the daytime with it and that will
help me set up the equitorial mount on my old technology scope.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Hudgins" <dhudgins@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 12:06 PM
Subject: [ASKC] See Comet Mcnaught at Powell tonight?


> Hi Folks,
>
> I just saw the beautiful photos ( see the Gallery) of Comet McNaught on
Spaceweather.com - see
http://spaceweather.com/comets/gallery_mcnaught_page3.htm.
>
> Wow!
>
> The website reports the comet was -2 mag last night and perhaps brighter
tonight!  The website says this may be the brightest comet in decades.
That's enough for me, heh-heh!!
>
> If it stays clear I will be at Powell tonight (good western view) before
sunset to take some photos.
>
> Anybody want to join the fun?  : ^ )
>
> Dave H.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

>I have uploaded new shots of the comet to the askc yahoo groups. Its 
>in a floder called Vic Astro on the second page, I think.

The comet was very nice tonight with an even bigger tail than last 
night. A pesky band of thin clouds chopped off about a degree of 
viewing as it set, but made for a nice shot. The images are also on 
www.icstars.com
Take a look.
How did everybody else do?
Vic



Vic Winter, Owner
DayStar Filters LLC www.DayStarFilters.com
ICSTARS Astronomy www.icstars.com
StarGarden Foundation - www.StarGardenFoundation.org
Southern Skies Star Party Director - www.sssp.org
NASA/JPL Solar System Ambassador

We also have to remember that some viruses hijack the victim's address book and then itself out to all the unsuspecting hapless mortals.

I tell my programming students that if I catch any of them writing viruses or the like that I will hang their lifeless bodies on a light pole until the crows pick the flesh from their bones.

And they think I'm kidding...

Rick Henderson

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: sc285 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 4:55 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] Re: illnesses


  --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "George Allen" <geonjod@...> wrote:
  I freely admit to opening some feel good crap and jokes sent to me by
  the less gifted owners of PC's. You know, the people that leave 30
  addresses on the top of the "forwarded" witticism. How can I get rid
  of this traffic without hurting their feelings?

  I have no qualms what so ever on telling these people
  1) take me off your list 
  and if that doesn't work, then I tell them
  2) I will report them to their ISP for sending viruses.
  Friendship has nothing to do with it.
  They need to clean up their act and be responsible.
  Virus protection software is a must (hence they wouldn't be getting
  and sending these things).
  If not, they don't need internet access! PERIOD.

  Rob



   

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Doug Spaulding and I were back out at the great spot on old Metcalf 
just north of the cement plant.The horrizon is almost likebeing on 
water .We had another great view again tomight.I took my 10in dob 
tonight and we could see the tailstretchtwo thirds of the way across 
the eye-piece.

Larry G




- 
>
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 

None of the photos I've taken even come close to
the amazing views through my 25x100 binoculars...
but here's one I took on January 10 at 5:46pm. I
used Joyce's Canon PowerShot S1-IS digital camera.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c89/jcravens/McNaught4.jpg

-JC


--- Vic Winter wrote:
> 
> ...
> How did everybody else do?
> Vic

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, Vic Winter <vwinter@...> wrote:
> The comet was very nice tonight with an even bigger tail than last 
> night. A pesky band of thin clouds chopped off about a degree of 
> viewing as it set, but made for a nice shot. The images are also on 
> www.icstars.com
> Take a look.
> How did everybody else do?
> Vic


Had nice view last night.
Tonight I went out to K-32 and Leavenworth Cty Rd 5 just south of
Basehor KS. BUT that thin band of pesky clouds was looming right on
the horizon for me. Waited around thinking they would move or
dissipate but that never happened.  Never saw it tonight.

Rob Robinson

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Henderson" <rhenderson1@...> wrote:
>
> We also have to remember that some viruses hijack the victim's
address book and then itself out to all the unsuspecting hapless mortals.

Ah....but when you KNOW who the sender is that is sending them, that's
a different story. You can usually tell when it's a hijacked address.
Those people usually never send the corny jokes, pictures, etc.

Rob

Some technical help is required.  Recently I changed a setting somewhere on
this PC. to make it download pics at a course rate, therefore making it
work faster.  Problem now is, pics like all these comet shots, which I am
certain are very good, looks like paint-by-the-numbers.  HELP  I can't find
where that setting was.  I wanna put it back where it was, no matter how
long downloads take.  And, yes, I've looked everywhere I can think of.

Geo.


> [Original Message]
> From: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: 1/10/2007 11:00:59 PM
> Subject: [ASKC] New file uploaded to ASKC
>
>
> Hello,
>
> This email message is a notification to let you know that
> a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the ASKC 
> group.
>
>   File        : /McNaught3.JPG 
>   Uploaded by : stripe1966 <s.kranz1@...> 
>   Description : 2007-01-09 
>
> You can access this file at the URL:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ASKC/files/McNaught3.JPG 
>
> To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
> http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files
>
> Regards,
>
> stripe1966 <s.kranz1@...>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Kathy and I observed it from a location near North 48st and I-435. using 
binos and eye. In 10X50 the tail split was there. I did not get home in time 
to grab the camera. A band of clouds covered at at 5:50PM. I have read 
reports of daylight bear eyesightings from New Zeland.

Gil Machin

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Vic Winter" <vwinter@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 9:00 PM
Subject: [ASKC] Re: Comet McNaught wednesday night


>
>
>>I have uploaded new shots of the comet to the askc yahoo groups. Its
>>in a floder called Vic Astro on the second page, I think.
>
> The comet was very nice tonight with an even bigger tail than last
> night. A pesky band of thin clouds chopped off about a degree of
> viewing as it set, but made for a nice shot. The images are also on
> www.icstars.com
> Take a look.
> How did everybody else do?
> Vic
>
>
>
> Vic Winter, Owner
> DayStar Filters LLC www.DayStarFilters.com
> ICSTARS Astronomy www.icstars.com
> StarGarden Foundation - www.StarGardenFoundation.org
> Southern Skies Star Party Director - www.sssp.org
> NASA/JPL Solar System Ambassador
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

I tried to look for it Tue.eve. could not spot it. some clouds to the West 
and low. Where is in relation ot Venus for tonite.

Gil Machin


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Doug Spalding" <boilerhawk@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 8:49 PM
Subject: [ASKC] Re: we saw comet McNaught after sunset


> Larry Goode and I showed up tonight at the spot he mentioned near
> 247th and Metcalf. We had some clouds in the West but the view was
> still pretty good. I posted a picture in the photo section in the
> Doug S. folder
> http://tech.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/ASKC/photos/browse/e53a
> Even though I was shooting through some cloudiness you can see the
> tail if you look carefully.
> The comet was visible from about 5:30pm to 6pm.
> Doug S.
>
>
>
> --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "gdj561956" <gdj102356@...> wrote:
>>
>> I have an excellant spot in south Overland Park where I view
> comets.
>> Located on the hill about 100 yards south of the First Family
> Church
>> between Metcalf and 69 Hwy at 143rd Street.
>>
>> Last night the comet was about 20-25 degrees from Venus - about
> 4:00
>> o'clock.
>>
>> Very bright in binos - blew me away!   Dan Johnson
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "David Young" <dyoung8@> wrote:
>> >
>> > If you are asking where Doug, Eric and David Y observed it:
>> >
>> > Go west on 95th street from K-7. Continue past all of the road
>> closed signs
>> > until you come to a tee intersection. Jog south a hundred feet
> or
>> so and
>> > pull into the road. This is a housing development under
>> construction so no
>> > traffic up that road. We had a couple of people stop by and ask
>> what were up
>> > to but they left before we found the comet.
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> > From: <dtrent@>
>> > To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
>> > Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 10:31 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [ASKC] we saw comet McNaught after sunset
>> >
>> >
>> > Scott, David,  Where is this great spot you found to view the
>> comet?
>> >  dt
>> >
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Dan Johnson,

Many thanks for your viewing spot info.  I was FINALLY able to see Comet McNaught.  All of my other attempts had amounted to (ahem) naught.  I had wandered around southern Johnson County for the last 4 nights trying to see the comet and finally had success, thanks to your location tip.  It was a great sight in 8x56 binocs!

Rick Henderson
  
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: gdj561956 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 9:57 AM
  Subject: [ASKC] Re: we saw comet McNaught after sunset


  I have an excellant spot in south Overland Park where I view comets. 
  Located on the hill about 100 yards south of the First Family Church 
  between Metcalf and 69 Hwy at 143rd Street.

  Last night the comet was about 20-25 degrees from Venus - about 4:00 
  o'clock.

  Very bright in binos - blew me away! Dan Johnson

  --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "David Young" <dyoung8@...> wrote:
  >
  > If you are asking where Doug, Eric and David Y observed it:
  > 
  > Go west on 95th street from K-7. Continue past all of the road 
  closed signs
  > until you come to a tee intersection. Jog south a hundred feet or 
  so and
  > pull into the road. This is a housing development under 
  construction so no
  > traffic up that road. We had a couple of people stop by and ask 
  what were up
  > to but they left before we found the comet.
  > 
  > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > From: <dtrent@...>
  > To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
  > Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 10:31 AM
  > Subject: Re: [ASKC] we saw comet McNaught after sunset
  > 
  > 
  > Scott, David, Where is this great spot you found to view the 
  comet?
  > dt
  >



   

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Rob,

Yep.  You're right.

Keelhaul the swabbies!

Rick Henderson

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: sc285 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 10:47 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] Re: illnesses


  --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Henderson" <rhenderson1@...> wrote:
  >
  > We also have to remember that some viruses hijack the victim's
  address book and then itself out to all the unsuspecting hapless mortals.

  Ah....but when you KNOW who the sender is that is sending them, that's
  a different story. You can usually tell when it's a hijacked address.
  Those people usually never send the corny jokes, pictures, etc.

  Rob



   

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I looked for three mornings and never could find it then even when 
the horizon was very clear.  I marked it up to not looking close 
enough to the sun, but I decided having my vision for sure was 
better than making an error with the binoculars!  :)

We were able to see it three evenings in a row and it was very 
interesting to see how it changed in appearance and how far south it 
moved each day.  

Vic was kind enough to fix one of my images for me- I am a newbie at 
astrophotos so the help was invaluable!  It is posted on 
www.icstars.com

Neta




--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, s.kranz1@... wrote:
>
> When I start seeing it at 5:30, it's about 5 degrees above the 
horizon.
> 
> I have yet to see it in the morning.
> 
> -Scott
> 
> --
> The Golden Rule of Astronomy - "If you own a telescope, you have a 
moral obligation to share the view!" - John Dobson
> 
> -------------- Original message -------------- 
> From: "Dave Baker" <DBAKER5@...> 
> How high above the horizon was it? My grandson and I went out 
tonight...
> Had a fairly good view of the western horizon... Had a good view 
of Venus,
> but there did appear to be some low lying clouds and we were 
unable to get a
> view of the comet. We were also observing between 5:30 and 6 pm.
> 
> Dave in Shawnee
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Doug Spalding" <boilerhawk@...>
> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 8:49 PM
> Subject: [ASKC] Re: we saw comet McNaught after sunset
> 
> > Larry Goode and I showed up tonight at the spot he mentioned near
> > 247th and Metcalf. We had some clouds in the West but the view 
was
> > still pretty good. I posted a picture in the photo section in the
> > Doug S. folder
> > http://tech.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/ASKC/photos/browse/e53a
> > Even though I was shooting through some cloudiness you can see 
the
> > tail if you look carefully.
> > The comet was visible from about 5:30pm to 6pm.
> > Doug S.
> >
> >
> 
> 
>  
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Anyone see the Channel 4 Fox news this morning?  Don Harmon showed a 
couple pics of Comet McNaught from some astronomer in Raymore named 
Scott Kranz.

Kewl!

Kranz?  I don't know any astronomer from Raymore named Kranz.  

 

Hmmm.  Oh wait!   You mean Scott "Monster Eye" Kranz of the ASKC?

 

Congrats, dude!  Nice shots, btw.

 

 

 

Dick Harshaw

KC, MO

 

"Prediction is very difficult, especially it it's about the future."  --
Neils Bohr

  _____  

From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott
Kranz
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 8:35 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Fox 4 news

 

Anyone see the Channel 4 Fox news this morning? Don Harmon showed a 
couple pics of Comet McNaught from some astronomer in Raymore named 
Scott Kranz.

Kewl!

 



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Yeah, Scott, way to go!  Too bad we are now going to have cloudy skies 
the next couple days!  I did get to see it on Tues and Wed, really 
nice comet.  Got skunked last night though.  98% clear skies all 
around me EXCEPT in the area where the comet was - a big ole smear of 
clouds in the West.  Sheesh.....

Eliz


--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Kranz" <s.kranz1@...> wrote:
>
> Anyone see the Channel 4 Fox news this morning?  Don Harmon showed a 
> couple pics of Comet McNaught from some astronomer in Raymore named 
> Scott Kranz.
> 
> Kewl!
>

> reports of daylight bear eyesightings from New Zeland.

We didn't see any bears but we did see the comet. Mitch, Roger & Pat, Doug,
Eric, Bently, David H and I watched it both above and below a thin cloud
bank. We were able to see it down to the horizon. Dough had an 8" reflector
set up and a nice pair of binocs. Others used binocs and cameras. I used by
Fujinon binocs and an ETX on Mitch's hood. Much brighter and a longer tail
than last time. Played with the Sky Scout a while. If the comet gets really
bright after it's swing around the sun it might be possible to use the Sky
Scout to get very close to the location by off setting from a star the Scout
located.

I am glad that others were able to see the comet. This is the 4th night in the row (Sunday through Wed) that we set up just down the road from the St. James school on 95th Street. Mitch G, David H and others showed up to meet myself and Doug for the 4th night in row there.
 
We spotted it earlier in binoculars and it was brighter. We were afraid that approaching clouds from the West would schuttle our chance to see it but the clouds stayed down. With the clouds , we could spot it better. Jets and high flying birds in the view sights were interesting. We watched as the comet peaked out from behind the clouds.  
 
Many of us shot pictures and Doug and I shot video. It was nice to capture it on video (I chuckled when David Young exclaimed- why was I  shooting video . It's not going to go that fast! ). 
Well I video eclipses and wanted to video this comet. Tt came out nicely that's why!!!!
 
It has been an exciting 4 nights. There is a picture on spaceweather taken in Mass of the comet in broad daylight. wOW.
 
I am writing an article for the ASKC newsletter about  the comet. 
Any comments etc , please send to me.
 
PS How come Scott did not let us know he was going to be on TV?
 
Too bad the clouds are now here. All will be able to watch the comet  travel around the sun with the space telescope coronograph on space.com
 
Dr.Eric Flescher
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I have a question.  Will we be able to still see it next week?  Till then I
think the rain, ice and snow are going to try to get in the way. 

DFox

-----Original Message-----
From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
KCStarguy@...
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 1:11 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Cc: kcstarguy@...
Subject: [ASKC] comet beautiful 4th night in the row

I am glad that others were able to see the comet. This is the 4th night in
the row (Sunday through Wed) that we set up just down the road from the St.
James school on 95th Street. Mitch G, David H and others showed up to meet
myself and Doug for the 4th night in row there.
 
We spotted it earlier in binoculars and it was brighter. We were afraid that
approaching clouds from the West would schuttle our chance to see it but the
clouds stayed down. With the clouds , we could spot it better. Jets and high
flying birds in the view sights were interesting. We watched as the comet
peaked out from behind the clouds.  
 
Many of us shot pictures and Doug and I shot video. It was nice to capture
it on video (I chuckled when David Young exclaimed- why was I  shooting
video . It's not going to go that fast! ). 
Well I video eclipses and wanted to video this comet. Tt came out nicely
that's why!!!!
 
It has been an exciting 4 nights. There is a picture on spaceweather taken
in Mass of the comet in broad daylight. wOW.
 
I am writing an article for the ASKC newsletter about  the comet. 
Any comments etc , please send to me.
 
PS How come Scott did not let us know he was going to be on TV?
 
Too bad the clouds are now here. All will be able to watch the comet  travel
around the sun with the space telescope coronograph on space.com
 
Dr.Eric Flescher
________________________________________________________________________
Check out the new AOL.  Most comprehensive set of free safety and security
tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web,
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Yahoo! Groups Links

If I understand correctly it will only be up for the northern 
hemisphere during daytime after it passes the sun, but will now be 
visible at night in the southern hemisphere.  One of the groups to 
which I belong are plotting ways to safely try to see it during the 
daytime.  

Neta

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Fox" <sm20@...> wrote:
>
> I have a question.  Will we be able to still see it next week?  
Till then I
> think the rain, ice and snow are going to try to get in the way. 
> 
> DFox
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of
> KCStarguy@...
> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 1:11 PM
> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> Cc: kcstarguy@...
> Subject: [ASKC] comet beautiful 4th night in the row
> 
> I am glad that others were able to see the comet. This is the 4th 
night in
> the row (Sunday through Wed) that we set up just down the road 
from the St.
> James school on 95th Street. Mitch G, David H and others showed up 
to meet
> myself and Doug for the 4th night in row there.
>  
> We spotted it earlier in binoculars and it was brighter. We were 
afraid that
> approaching clouds from the West would schuttle our chance to see 
it but the
> clouds stayed down. With the clouds , we could spot it better. 
Jets and high
> flying birds in the view sights were interesting. We watched as 
the comet
> peaked out from behind the clouds.  
>  
> Many of us shot pictures and Doug and I shot video. It was nice to 
capture
> it on video (I chuckled when David Young exclaimed- why was I  
shooting
> video . It's not going to go that fast! ). 
> Well I video eclipses and wanted to video this comet. Tt came out 
nicely
> that's why!!!!
>  
> It has been an exciting 4 nights. There is a picture on 
spaceweather taken
> in Mass of the comet in broad daylight. wOW.
>  
> I am writing an article for the ASKC newsletter about  the comet. 
> Any comments etc , please send to me.
>  
> PS How come Scott did not let us know he was going to be on TV?
>  
> Too bad the clouds are now here. All will be able to watch the 
comet  travel
> around the sun with the space telescope coronograph on space.com
>  
> Dr.Eric Flescher
> 
_____________________________________________________________________
___
> Check out the new AOL.  Most comprehensive set of free safety and 
security
> tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across 
the web,
> free AOL Mail and more.
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>

Correct Neta!

After it swings around the Sun Friday it will only be visible in the dark hours from the southern hemisphere.

Many (including myself) are ploting days and times that we can try to spot it in the daytime.

-scott

--
The Golden Rule of Astronomy - “If you own a telescope, you have a moral obligation to share the view!” - John Dobson

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: "okieastronomer" <okieastronomer@...m> 
If I understand correctly it will only be up for the northern 
hemisphere during daytime after it passes the sun, but will now be 
visible at night in the southern hemisphere. One of the groups to 
which I belong are plotting ways to safely try to see it during the 
daytime. 

Neta

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Fox" <sm20@...> wrote:
>
> I have a question. Will we be able to still see it next week? 
Till then I
> think the rain, ice and snow are going to try to get in the way. 
> 
> DFox
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of
> KCStarguy@...
> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 1:11 PM
> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> Cc: kcstarguy@...
> Subject: [ASKC] comet beautiful 4th night in the row
> 
> I am glad that others were able to see the comet. This is the 4th 
night in
> the row (Sunday through Wed) that we set up just down the road 
from the St.
> James school on 95th Street. Mitch G, David H and others showed up 
to meet
> myself and Doug for the 4th night in row there.
> 
> We spotted it earlier in binoculars and it was brighter. We were 
afraid that
> approaching clouds from the West would schuttle our chance to see 
it but the
> clouds stayed down. With the clouds , we could spot it better. 
Jets and high
> flying birds in the view sights were interesting. We watched as 
the comet
> peaked out from behind the clouds. 
> 
> Many of us shot pictures and Doug and I shot video. It was nice to 
capture
> it on video (I chuckled when David Young exclaimed- why was I 
shooting
> video . It's not going to go that fast! ). 
> Well I video eclipses and wanted to video this comet. Tt came out 
nicely
> that's why!!!!
> 
> It has been an exciting 4 nights. There is a picture on 
spaceweather taken
> in Mass of the comet in broad daylight. wOW.
> 
> I am writing an article for the ASKC newsletter about the comet. 
> Any comments etc , please send to me.
> 
> PS How come Scott did not let us know he was going to be on TV?
> 
> Too bad the clouds are now here. All will be able to watch the 
comet travel
> around the sun with the space telescope coronograph on space.com
> 
> Dr.Eric Flescher
> 
__________________________________________________________
___
> Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and 
security
> tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across 
the web,
> free AOL Mail and more.
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>


 

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Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the ASKC 
group.

  File        : /McNaught-1-10,4.jpg 
  Uploaded by : geonjod <geonjod@...> 
  Description : McNaught sets 

You can access this file at the URL:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ASKC/files/McNaught-1-10%2C4.jpg 

To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files

Regards,

geonjod <geonjod@...>
 

Wow George - McNaught at horizon ... awesome pic - thanks ...
Sterling


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cool shot George!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 5:24 PM
Subject: [ASKC] New file uploaded to ASKC

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the ASKC 
group.

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You can access this file at the URL:
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Regards,

geonjod <geonjod@...>
 

Larry Goode and I were back out at 247th and Metcalf last night. The 
sky was perfect until about 5:20 when clouds moved in (for the second 
night in a row). The view of the comet was still decent even though we 
had to view it through clouds most of the time. I posted a couple 
pictures in my folder in the photo section so you can see what we saw. 
However, I think the view through binoculars and Larry's DOB were 
better than what the pictures show.
http://tech.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/ASKC/photos/browse/e53a
http://tech.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/ASKC/photos/view/e53a?b=2
Doug S.



--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, s.kranz1@... wrote:
>
> Correct Neta!
> 
> After it swings around the Sun Friday it will only be visible in the 
dark hours from the southern hemisphere.
> 
> Many (including myself) are ploting days and times that we can try 
to spot it in the daytime.
> 
> -scott
> 

Hi All,

The comet is starting to enter the field of the LASCO imager on the
SOHO spacecraft:

http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/realtime/c3/512/

It will be moving south through the left side of the field for the
next couple of days.

Richard Fredrick

Wow!  That's a neat twist on the comet photos.  Any you know, there's not a tree or power line anywhere in the field of view!

Thanks for the link, Richard.

Rick Henderson

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Richard Fredrick 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 10:07 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] Comet in Lasco Images


  Hi All,

  The comet is starting to enter the field of the LASCO imager on the
  SOHO spacecraft:

  http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/realtime/c3/512/

  It will be moving south through the left side of the field for the
  next couple of days.

  Richard Fredrick



   

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Due to weather concerns the work party for tommorow will be 
rescheduled.

Kurt

Here's some data from Symantec's web site:

 

Discovered: July 13, 2005

Updated: July 26, 2005 12:15:29 PM GDT

Also Known As: Backdoor.Win32.Small.gl [Kaspersky Lab], Virus.Win32.Tenga.a
[Kaspersky Lab], BackDoor-CTM [McAfee], W32/Gael.worm.a [McAfee],
W32/Tenga-A [Sophos], PE_TENGA.A [Trend Micro]

Type: Virus, Worm

Infection Length: 3,072 bytes

Systems Affected: Windows 2000, Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows Me, Windows
NT, Windows Server 2003, Windows XP



W32.Licum is a file-infecting worm that may spread by exploiting the
Microsoft Windows DCOM RPC Interface Buffer Overrun Vulnerability (described
in Microsoft
<http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS03-026.mspx>  Security
Bulletin MS03-026).

 

It is rated as a low threat worm.

 

To remove it, you need a virus detection and deletion program.  I don't know
what you use-apparently some virus programs don't actually get rid of licum,
they just quarantine it and it shows up on future scans, but it should cause
you no problems.

 

I have had to put three "friends" on my "block" list with Zone Alarm to
prevent this sort of idiocy from procreating.

 

 

Dick Harshaw

KC, MO

 

"Prediction is very difficult, especially it it's about the future."  --
Neils Bohr

  _____  

From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of George
Allen
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 3:42 PM
To: ASKC YAHOO
Subject: [ASKC] illnesses

 

Norton has detected W32.licum and also Download virus' on this PC. Download
has been taken out, and licum is quarantined. If anyone can offer advise
about this stuff, please do so. I freely admit to opening some feel good
crap and jokes sent to me by the less gifted owners of PC's. You know, the
people that leave 30 addresses on the top of the "forwarded" witticism. How
can I get rid of this traffic without hurting their feelings? That is almost
surely what the bugs rode in on.

I hear that "listers" make up cute messages, add a trojan and send them out
to gather valid email addresses that can be sold to spammers. Why would
anyone with an IQ higher than their age "forward" such a message with all
the addresses intact? More than that, why do they send it on at all??? 

We could not find McNaught this morning despite fairly clear skies. But it
was a grand sight last night and we will be ready tonight. 

Geo.

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Thanks, Dick.  That's what my Norton program did, once I scanned.
Geo.


> [Original Message]
> From: Dick Harshaw <dwharshaw@...>
> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: 1/12/2007 7:55:14 AM
> Subject: RE: [ASKC] illnesses
>
> Here's some data from Symantec's web site:
>
>  
>
> Discovered: July 13, 2005
>
> Updated: July 26, 2005 12:15:29 PM GDT
>
> Also Known As: Backdoor.Win32.Small.gl [Kaspersky Lab],
Virus.Win32.Tenga.a
> [Kaspersky Lab], BackDoor-CTM [McAfee], W32/Gael.worm.a [McAfee],
> W32/Tenga-A [Sophos], PE_TENGA.A [Trend Micro]
>
> Type: Virus, Worm
>
> Infection Length: 3,072 bytes
>
> Systems Affected: Windows 2000, Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows Me,
Windows
> NT, Windows Server 2003, Windows XP
>
>
>
> W32.Licum is a file-infecting worm that may spread by exploiting the
> Microsoft Windows DCOM RPC Interface Buffer Overrun Vulnerability
(described
> in Microsoft
> <http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS03-026.mspx> 
Security
> Bulletin MS03-026).
>
>  
>
> It is rated as a low threat worm.
>
>  
>
> To remove it, you need a virus detection and deletion program.  I don't
know
> what you use-apparently some virus programs don't actually get rid of
licum,
> they just quarantine it and it shows up on future scans, but it should
cause
> you no problems.
>
>  
>
> I have had to put three "friends" on my "block" list with Zone Alarm to
> prevent this sort of idiocy from procreating.
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Dick Harshaw
>
> KC, MO
>
>  
>
> "Prediction is very difficult, especially it it's about the future."  --
> Neils Bohr
>
>   _____  
>
> From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
George
> Allen
> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 3:42 PM
> To: ASKC YAHOO
> Subject: [ASKC] illnesses
>
>  
>
> Norton has detected W32.licum and also Download virus' on this PC.
Download
> has been taken out, and licum is quarantined. If anyone can offer advise
> about this stuff, please do so. I freely admit to opening some feel good
> crap and jokes sent to me by the less gifted owners of PC's. You know, the
> people that leave 30 addresses on the top of the "forwarded" witticism.
How
> can I get rid of this traffic without hurting their feelings? That is
almost
> surely what the bugs rode in on.
>
> I hear that "listers" make up cute messages, add a trojan and send them
out
> to gather valid email addresses that can be sold to spammers. Why would
> anyone with an IQ higher than their age "forward" such a message with all
> the addresses intact? More than that, why do they send it on at all??? 
>
> We could not find McNaught this morning despite fairly clear skies. But it
> was a grand sight last night and we will be ready tonight. 
>
> Geo.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>  
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
>  
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

I will let you know this weekend ... I'm pretty sure - 90% ... but need to  
ck out some schedule stuff ...
Mike Sterling


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20" Starmaster canceled ... 
welllllllllll  _$%%!#$%^@$%$^()*(_$%^$%_ (mailto:$!#$^@$$^()*(_$^$) !#     
darn ....
Sometimes things just don't go as you hope but, this too shall pass  .....
I thought my IRS nightmare was over - but, not just yet ....
With over half of cost already with Rick as down payment, we'll see where  
are at delivery time (April-May).  If it doesn't work out - so be it.   Meade's 
16" Lightbridge truss could be a nice interim alternative.  Seems  like a lot 
of mirror for 2 grand! .....
Mike Sterling
 
For those in the market & those that have asked:  
20" Starmaster $6999  add the go-to & other bells & whistles  & 4 Nagler 
eyepieces and you're at $12,000


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Me thinks thou hast a pregnent idea. Yeuhck, its naaaasty outside. I think
I'll stay inside today. I wonder what's in the fridge then?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "kurtheck1" <kurtheck@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 7:16 AM
Subject: [ASKC] Powell work party


> Due to weather concerns the work party for tommorow will be
> rescheduled.
>
> Kurt

    Sounds like a very good idea. I will see you when we reschedule.
Randy
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: David Young 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 11:39 AM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] Powell work party


  Me thinks thou hast a pregnent idea. Yeuhck, its naaaasty outside. I think
  I'll stay inside today. I wonder what's in the fridge then?

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "kurtheck1" <kurtheck@...>
  To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
  Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 7:16 AM
  Subject: [ASKC] Powell work party

  > Due to weather concerns the work party for tommorow will be
  > rescheduled.
  >
  > Kurt



   

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Thanks for the update Kurt let us know when.

Larry G






-- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Randy Thompson" <randiwe269@...> wrote:
>
>     Sounds like a very good idea. I will see you when we 
reschedule.
> Randy
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: David Young 
>   To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 11:39 AM
>   Subject: Re: [ASKC] Powell work party
> 
> 
>   Me thinks thou hast a pregnent idea. Yeuhck, its naaaasty 
outside. I think
>   I'll stay inside today. I wonder what's in the fridge then?
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: "kurtheck1" <kurtheck@...>
>   To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
>   Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 7:16 AM
>   Subject: [ASKC] Powell work party
> 
>   > Due to weather concerns the work party for tommorow will be
>   > rescheduled.
>   >
>   > Kurt
> 
> 
> 
>    
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, mikekansascity@... wrote:
>
> 20" Starmaster canceled ... 
> welllllllllll  _$%%!#$%^@$%$^()*(_$%^$%_ (mailto:$!#$^@$$^()*(_$^$)
!#     
> darn ....
> Sometimes things just don't go as you hope but, this too shall pass
 .....


The Starmaster gods were not amused by this....
You see the weather you have brought on for the next 3 days???

Rob

P.S. The IRS will ALWAYS be there - Starmaster is only temporal.

"I wonder what's in the fridge then?"

 

Probably a lot of what you see outside right now.

 

 

Dick Harshaw

KC, MO

 

"Prediction is very difficult, especially it it's about the future."  --
Neils Bohr

  _____  

From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David
Young
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 11:40 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Powell work party

 

Me thinks thou hast a pregnent idea. Yeuhck, its naaaasty outside. I think
I'll stay inside today. I wonder what's in the fridge then?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "kurtheck1" <kurtheck@sbcglobal. <mailto:kurtheck%40sbcglobal.net>
net>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups. <mailto:ASKC%40yahoogroups.com> com>
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 7:16 AM
Subject: [ASKC] Powell work party

> Due to weather concerns the work party for tommorow will be
> rescheduled.
>
> Kurt

 



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    Mike go ahead and buy the StarMaster. You can hide it at my house so the IRS won't find it. ;-)
Randy
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: sc285 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 4:20 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] Re: 20" Starmaster cancelled


  --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, mikekansascity@... wrote:
  >
  > 20" Starmaster canceled ... 
  > welllllllllll _$%%!#$%^@$%$^()*(_$%^$%_ (mailto:$!#$^@$$^()*(_$^$)
  !# 
  > darn ....
  > Sometimes things just don't go as you hope but, this too shall pass
  .....

  The Starmaster gods were not amused by this....
  You see the weather you have brought on for the next 3 days???

  Rob

  P.S. The IRS will ALWAYS be there - Starmaster is only temporal.



   

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Ahhhh! Another reason to love a Mac.........
On Jan 10, 2007, at 4:00 PM, Dick Harshaw wrote:

> Here's some data from Symantec's web site:
>
>  Discovered: July 13, 2005
>
>  Updated: July 26, 2005 12:15:29 PM GDT
>
>  Also Known As: Backdoor.Win32.Small.gl [Kaspersky Lab], 
> Virus.Win32.Tenga.a
>  [Kaspersky Lab], BackDoor-CTM [McAfee], W32/Gael.worm.a [McAfee],
>  W32/Tenga-A [Sophos], PE_TENGA.A [Trend Micro]
>
>  Type: Virus, Worm
>
>  Infection Length: 3,072 bytes
>
>  Systems Affected: Windows 2000, Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows Me, 
> Windows
>  NT, Windows Server 2003, Windows XP
>
>  W32.Licum is a file-infecting worm that may spread by exploiting the
>  Microsoft Windows DCOM RPC Interface Buffer Overrun Vulnerability 
> (described
>  in Microsoft
>  <http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS03-026.mspx> 
> Security
>  Bulletin MS03-026).
>
>  It is rated as a low threat worm.
>
>  To remove it, you need a virus detection and deletion program. I 
> don't know
>  what you use-apparently some virus programs don't actually get rid of 
> licum,
>  they just quarantine it and it shows up on future scans, but it 
> should cause
>  you no problems.
>
>  I have had to put three "friends" on my "block" list with Zone Alarm 
> to
>  prevent this sort of idiocy from procreating.
>
>  Dick Harshaw
>
>  KC, MO
>
>  "Prediction is very difficult, especially it it's about the future." 
> --
>  Neils Bohr
>
>  _____
>
>  From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> George
>  Allen
>  Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 3:42 PM
>  To: ASKC YAHOO
>  Subject: [ASKC] illnesses
>
>  Norton has detected W32.licum and also Download virus' on this PC. 
> Download
>  has been taken out, and licum is quarantined. If anyone can offer 
> advise
>  about this stuff, please do so. I freely admit to opening some feel 
> good
>  crap and jokes sent to me by the less gifted owners of PC's. You 
> know, the
>  people that leave 30 addresses on the top of the "forwarded" 
> witticism. How
>  can I get rid of this traffic without hurting their feelings? That is 
> almost
>  surely what the bugs rode in on.
>
>  I hear that "listers" make up cute messages, add a trojan and send 
> them out
>  to gather valid email addresses that can be sold to spammers. Why 
> would
>  anyone with an IQ higher than their age "forward" such a message with 
> all
>  the addresses intact? More than that, why do they send it on at all???
>
>  We could not find McNaught this morning despite fairly clear skies. 
> But it
>  was a grand sight last night and we will be ready tonight.
>
>  Geo.
>
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>
>  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>  
>   

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HAHA my mother called and told me she saw my friend's picture of the comet
on the news. I haven't been able to see it yet. I keep having a band of
clouds across where it is. I'm thinking maybe it's from the power plant. Oh
well maybe the weather will clear up soon.
Shelley

-----Original Message-----
From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott
Kranz
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 8:35 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Fox 4 news

Anyone see the Channel 4 Fox news this morning?  Don Harmon showed a 
couple pics of Comet McNaught from some astronomer in Raymore named 
Scott Kranz.

Kewl!





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

I've forwarded a message from Doug Zubenel but it has some characters that may not display correctly for everyone so I'll sumarize.

Comet McNaught has been sighted in the daytime and is at -5 with a 1 degree tail. It is suspected that the nucleus has fragmented but that is not confirmed. A photo has been posted on space weather.com

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More about Comet McNaught 

Astronomy Picture of the Day
Nice picture of the comet after sunset 
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html
1/13/2007 (if not that date look in archives)

see the comet now near the   sun 
http://www.spaceweather.com/

See the coronograph pics of the comet near the Sun
http://www.esa.int/esaCP/SEMMCRSVYVE_index_0.html
and
http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/home.html

Latest SOHO image of the comet swinging by the Sun
http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/realtime/c3/512/

http://space.com/
comet gallery 2
http://www.space.com/php/multimedia/imagegallery/igviewer.php?imgid=4559&
gid=326&index=0

Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), Olathe, KS: Member #2572 IMCA 
(International Meteorite Collectors Association) : E.O.A.S. (Earth, Oceans, Atmosphere 
and Space) Blog -<http://eoas-dreric1kansas.blogspot.com/>:State of Kansas 
Solar System Ambassador: Comet Observers Coordinator- Astronomy   League/ 
Astronomical Society of Kansas, KC, MO-Louisburg,KS: 
http://www.astroleague.org/al/obsclubs/comet/comet.htm: CometObserversAwardALsubscribe@yahoogroups.com - Dr. 
Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), Olathe, KS: State of Kansas Solar System 
Ambassador:Eric's Black Sun Eclipse newsletter
: Subscribe to (send your email to)< blacksuneclipse-subscribe@egroups.com>
:Website- http://members.aol.com/kcstarguy/blacksun/eclipse.htm: Satori 
Astronomy Website- 
http://members.aol.com/kcstarguy/satoriastronomy/satoriastronomy.htm



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Jim,

Your notice about an astro-imaging workshop appeared on the message 
board of the Astronomical Society of Kansas City.

I'd be VERY interested in such a workshop. A Feb 25 date wouldn't work 
for me; I need to be out of town on business. But if it's on any other 
date, I'd love to hear from you.

TIA,

Rich Hathaway
Olathe, Kan.

Doug,

Finally, it cleared! Went to summit of Mauna Kea. Comet visible with unaided eye at magnitude -5 with a 1Ëš tail in broad daylight! Unbelievable sight!

The drawings of West I made was after a post-perihelion flare in bright twilight just before sunrise.

There has been suspicion of a nuclear breakup of Comet McNaught but this is unconfirmed. I was using my new 5-inch Tele Vue refractor, but I did not bring sufficient power to study the nucleus. Sigh.

I can tell you this. As a daytime spectacle, this comet surpasses Comet West.



On Friday, January 12, 2007, at 12:56 PM, NZUBENEL@kc.rr.com wrote:


  Steve,

  Look at today's (Jan.12) spaceweather.com, and click on the image 
  for "this just in." Are those not synchronic bands in McNaught's dust 
  tail? I remember these were evident in comet West post perihelion. 
  Is this indicative of nuclear disruption? Your drawings of West on p. 
  321 of S&T for May '76 show the beginning of the break-up on Mar. 8 - 
  is anyone watching McNaught with enough resolution in the daytime to 
  see what it is doing? (Did you make your drawings of West in the 
  daytime?)

  Later,
  Doug


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During the ice storm last night I was letting the dog out and noticed 
some faint shafts of light in the eastern sky over the observatory. I 
grabbed the camera and headed out into the sleet to get some shots. 
The light pillars resemble aurora spikes in that they are 
multi-colored, some white, some red and some green. With 100% cloud 
cover and it sleeting heavily, chances were pretty good that it was 
not the northern lights!
As bands of heavy and light sleet moved through my location, the 
spikes would come and go. When it was heavy sleet on me they would 
all but disappear. As it slacked off and moved a few miles east, they 
would jump out with some getting very bright. We had a similar 
occurrence back in October when a cold front moved through. The 
information on the web says they are usually seen in the far north, 
but this makes twice this year from Missouri! I have all the images 
posted on www.icstars.com Take a look!
Vic


Vic Winter, Owner
DayStar Filters LLC www.DayStarFilters.com
ICSTARS Astronomy www.icstars.com
StarGarden Foundation - www.StarGardenFoundation.org
Southern Skies Star Party Director - www.sssp.org
NASA/JPL Solar System Ambassador

Joe:

     Thanks for all your efforts with the plates and I
hope you are feeling better. Let me know if I can weld
the bottom plate on the pier in the future.           
               Bill Boyle
--- Joe Wright <jswright@...> wrote:

> Bill:
> 
> I am rounding the edges and will be taking the
> plates this weekend 
> during the work party.  Weather permitting.  I have
> been looking at 
> some of pictures I took, to decide how to mount
> them.  I'll be hunting 
> the bolts this week.  Even though we have a hand
> drawn diagram from the 
> manufacturer, I still would like to the the wedge
> dry fitted first.  
> With the holiday and being ill, I haven't been down
> to Powell.
> 
> Joe
> 
> 



 
____________________________________________________________________________________
Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate 
in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A.
http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545367

The forecast for Monday indicates we might have sky clear enough to spot the comet. SpaceWeather.com suggests blocking the sun with a building or other obstruction and looking about a fist length east today. A check on that site Monday and a look at the finder chart for that day should give a good idea where to look for it.

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    Before Christmas I visited a large discount chain store and saw a 4.5" reflector scope for sale by a major manufacturer. The scope was not assembled properly and to us it would look pretty silly with the back of the  mirror cell pointed at the ceiling. Who ever put this display model together was not an astronomer. I wrote an email to the home office of the chain store saying that the scope on display was not a good option for a young astronomer, and would not make a good Christmas gift. If the instructions are too hard to follow the customer may make the same errors. And we know that means the scope will get shoved to the back of the closet and forgotten.  The chain store passed my comments on to the manufacturer. I got a call from an Executive of the Co. when I was not in at the Astronomical League Office. I then got email from the Co. at home.
    I explained that the scope was not put together properly and it had loose bolts and fittings that made the scope wiggle and sway. Many of us have tried to help a young person see first light with a scope that they got as a gift. If you see a scope on display that is junk or not put together properly speak up. The store manager probably doesn't know anything about astronomy. It could make a big difference in the way someone begins to learn more about astronomy. The next step is to help properly assemble a scope. If it is a decent scope, but its assembled wrong point that out and offer to help put it together, Right. I wish I had taken the time to get that scope put together properly. I told the Co. Rep. to inform me when they would be selling scopes at my local store again. I will make sure it's put together right next time. They have my phone number and email address. I want to believe that stores don't want to sell junk. Lets help by pointing out the junk in their store. You don't have to go face to face. Email gets attention. At least mine did.
Wow. This really got longer than I was going to write.
Randy

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Randy, do you mean to say that the fine retailers who supply us with what
we need, do not have our best interests at heart?  I don't believe it!

Geo. 


> [Original Message]
> From: Randy Thompson <randiwe269@...>
> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: 1/13/2007 7:31:26 PM
> Subject: [ASKC] Dept. Store Scopes
>
>     Before Christmas I visited a large discount chain store and saw a
4.5" reflector scope for sale by a major manufacturer. The scope was not
assembled properly and to us it would look pretty silly with the back of
the  mirror cell pointed at the ceiling. Who ever put this display model
together was not an astronomer. I wrote an email to the home office of the
chain store saying that the scope on display was not a good option for a
young astronomer, and would not make a good Christmas gift. If the
instructions are too hard to follow the customer may make the same errors.
And we know that means the scope will get shoved to the back of the closet
and forgotten.  The chain store passed my comments on to the manufacturer.
I got a call from an Executive of the Co. when I was not in at the
Astronomical League Office. I then got email from the Co. at home.
>     I explained that the scope was not put together properly and it had
loose bolts and fittings that made the scope wiggle and sway. Many of us
have tried to help a young person see first light with a scope that they
got as a gift. If you see a scope on display that is junk or not put
together properly speak up. The store manager probably doesn't know
anything about astronomy. It could make a big difference in the way someone
begins to learn more about astronomy. The next step is to help properly
assemble a scope. If it is a decent scope, but its assembled wrong point
that out and offer to help put it together, Right. I wish I had taken the
time to get that scope put together properly. I told the Co. Rep. to inform
me when they would be selling scopes at my local store again. I will make
sure it's put together right next time. They have my phone number and email
address. I want to believe that stores don't want to sell junk. Lets help
by pointing out the junk in their store. You don't have to go face to face.
Email gets attention. At least mine did.
> Wow. This really got longer than I was going to write.
> Randy
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
>  
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

   Not everything that looks like a telescope is a real "Telescope".
Randy
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: George Allen 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com ; ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 8:33 PM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] Dept. Store Scopes


  Randy, do you mean to say that the fine retailers who supply us with what
  we need, do not have our best interests at heart? I don't believe it!

  Geo. 

  > [Original Message]
  > From: Randy Thompson <randiwe269@...>
  > To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
  > Date: 1/13/2007 7:31:26 PM
  > Subject: [ASKC] Dept. Store Scopes
  >
  > Before Christmas I visited a large discount chain store and saw a
  4.5" reflector scope for sale by a major manufacturer. The scope was not
  assembled properly and to us it would look pretty silly with the back of
  the mirror cell pointed at the ceiling. Who ever put this display model
  together was not an astronomer. I wrote an email to the home office of the
  chain store saying that the scope on display was not a good option for a
  young astronomer, and would not make a good Christmas gift. If the
  instructions are too hard to follow the customer may make the same errors.
  And we know that means the scope will get shoved to the back of the closet
  and forgotten. The chain store passed my comments on to the manufacturer.
  I got a call from an Executive of the Co. when I was not in at the
  Astronomical League Office. I then got email from the Co. at home.
  > I explained that the scope was not put together properly and it had
  loose bolts and fittings that made the scope wiggle and sway. Many of us
  have tried to help a young person see first light with a scope that they
  got as a gift. If you see a scope on display that is junk or not put
  together properly speak up. The store manager probably doesn't know
  anything about astronomy. It could make a big difference in the way someone
  begins to learn more about astronomy. The next step is to help properly
  assemble a scope. If it is a decent scope, but its assembled wrong point
  that out and offer to help put it together, Right. I wish I had taken the
  time to get that scope put together properly. I told the Co. Rep. to inform
  me when they would be selling scopes at my local store again. I will make
  sure it's put together right next time. They have my phone number and email
  address. I want to believe that stores don't want to sell junk. Lets help
  by pointing out the junk in their store. You don't have to go face to face.
  Email gets attention. At least mine did.
  > Wow. This really got longer than I was going to write.
  > Randy
  >
  > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > 
  > Yahoo! Groups Links
  >
  >
  >



   

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Hi Rich,
 
I noticed this message and thought I should intervene. I don't think Jim Roe
is a member of this e-group. You need to contact him directly at
jroe@....
 
Clear skies,
 
Gary Pittman
 

  _____  

From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rich
Hathaway
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 1:03 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] AstroImaging workshop



Jim,

Your notice about an astro-imaging workshop appeared on the message 
board of the Astronomical Society of Kansas City.

I'd be VERY interested in such a workshop. A Feb 25 date wouldn't work 
for me; I need to be out of town on business. But if it's on any other 
date, I'd love to hear from you.

TIA,

Rich Hathaway
Olathe, Kan.



 


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Dr. Keith Ashman will give a talk on Understanding Galaxy Formation January 19 at 7:30 at 1001 Malott Hall, University of Kansas

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I'm sure you were not halucinating but I didn't say a word asking why you
were shooting video.
>
> Many of us shot pictures and Doug and I shot video. It was nice to capture
it on video (I chuckled when David Young exclaimed- why was I  shooting
video . It's not going to go that fast! ).

Although...shooting video would allow one to make a small .avi clip,
import it into Registax, and stack the frames to bring out more detail
than what would be seen either by a single camera frame or
telescope....not so stupid an idea. - Rob Robinson

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "David Young" <dyoung8@...> wrote:
>
> I'm sure you were not halucinating but I didn't say a word asking
why you
> were shooting video.
> >
> > Many of us shot pictures and Doug and I shot video. It was nice to
capture
> it on video (I chuckled when David Young exclaimed- why was I  shooting
> video . It's not going to go that fast! ).
>

Doug Z asked me to forward the following message to the group.

Doug,

Comet mag -6 today. Watched it all day -- from 9:00 a.m to sunset. Far superior to Venus with naked eye. At noon it was visible from my house at 3,600 feet altitude with a 3/4Ëš tail naked eye. I had lunch under the comet on my porch. Stinks as the comet gets lower in the sky. This is not like West in the fact that it does not get better as the sky darkens. The comet is so close to the sun that is dims as the Sun gets lower!

Strange but true.

Steve O' 

On Saturday, January 13, 2007, at 06:25 AM, NZUBENEL@... wrote:


  Steve,

  WOOOOW!!!! Just think, a couple more magnitudes brighter and it will 
  surpass Ikeya-Seki!! 
  What was your local time for this observation?

  We are smothered in a winter storm, and the earliest will be mon. 
  before it clears. PLEASE KEEP ME POSTED!!

  Doug



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If a person would decide to go to this, where do you park?   There used to
be a few spots for visitors on the west side of Malott, but that was a few
years back.

Jackie B.

  -----Original Message-----
  From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of David
Young
  Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 10:23 AM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [ASKC] Ashman lecture


  Dr. Keith Ashman will give a talk on Understanding Galaxy Formation
January 19 at 7:30 at 1001 Malott Hall, University of Kansas

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for sale:
12 1/2 inch f 6 truss dob. Homebuilt
Galaxy mirror
Astrosystem focuser
Telrad
$1,000

Olympus OM-2  35 mm film camera
50mm Olympus lens
28 mm Olympus lens 
35 - 140 Soligor zoom
Flash unit and autowinder
As is, no guarantees.  
$50.00

I have a 4" f11 refractor optocal tube assembly only that I will be selling, but do not know price yet. And mabe a pair of binoculars or two.

I will put this stuff in the next cosmic messenger, if no one on the groups wants this stuff.

Kathy Machin

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Kathy,
I need to replace my binoculars.  Please send info. And prices.

Thanks  

Dave fox




-----Original Message-----
From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kathy
Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 2:32 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Scope for Sale

for sale:
12 1/2 inch f 6 truss dob. Homebuilt
Galaxy mirror
Astrosystem focuser
Telrad
$1,000

Olympus OM-2  35 mm film camera
50mm Olympus lens
28 mm Olympus lens
35 - 140 Soligor zoom
Flash unit and autowinder
As is, no guarantees.  
$50.00

I have a 4" f11 refractor optocal tube assembly only that I will be selling,
but do not know price yet. And mabe a pair of binoculars or two.

I will put this stuff in the next cosmic messenger, if no one on the groups
wants this stuff.

Kathy Machin

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We must be in the comet's tail.  I cant see anything but white stuff  
falling to the ground. ; )


On Jan 14, 2007, at 11:14 AM, David Young wrote:

> Doug Z asked me to forward the following message to the group.
>
> Doug,
>
> Comet mag -6 today. Watched it all day -- from 9:00 a.m to sunset.  
> Far superior to Venus with naked eye. At noon it was visible from  
> my house at 3,600 feet altitude with a 3/4û tail naked eye. I had  
> lunch under the comet on my porch. Stinks as the comet gets lower  
> in the sky. This is not like West in the fact that it does not get  
> better as the sky darkens. The comet is so close to the sun that is  
> dims as the Sun gets lower!
>
> Strange but true.
>
> Steve O'
>
> On Saturday, January 13, 2007, at 06:25 AM, NZUBENEL@... wrote:
>
>
>   Steve,
>
>   WOOOOW!!!! Just think, a couple more magnitudes brighter and it will
>   surpass Ikeya-Seki!!
>   What was your local time for this observation?
>
>   We are smothered in a winter storm, and the earliest will be mon.
>   before it clears. PLEASE KEEP ME POSTED!!
>
>   Doug
>
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Yes, please....  Thanks!

Jackie
  -----Original Message-----
  From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
Carroll Iorg
  Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 9:07 PM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] Astronomy 101


  That is my team's program. Do you want me to forward you a copy?

  Carroll Iorg

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Jackie Beucher
  To: askc@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 18:39
  Subject: [ASKC] Astronomy 101

  Does someone have a copy of the Astronomy 101 program that is used at the
  observatory?

  Neta and I would like to use part of it for our astro. program soon.

  Can you send to me at: m31@..., and to: jbeucher@...
  and to: okieastronomer@...

  Thanks!

  Jackie Beucher

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I am interested too. I can always learn something. I   particular want to 
learn how to put a series of images together.
Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@aol.com), Olathe, KS: Member #2572 IMCA 
(International Meteorite Collectors Association) : E.O.A.S. (Earth, Oceans, Atmosphere 
and Space) Blog -<http://eoas-dreric1kansas.blogspot.com/>:State of Kansas 
Solar System Ambassador: Comet Observers Coordinator- Astronomy   League/ 
Astronomical Society of Kansas, KC, MO-Louisburg,KS: 
http://www.astroleague.org/al/obsclubs/comet/comet.htm:m
> 
> 3a. AstroImaging workshop
>     Posted by: "Rich Hathaway" r.hathaway@... richhathaway
>     Date: Sat Jan 13, 2007 11:03 am ((PST))
> 
> Jim,
> 
> Your notice about an astro-imaging workshop appeared on the message
> board of the Astronomical Society of Kansas City.
> 
> I'd be VERY interested in such a workshop. A Feb 25 date wouldn't work
> for me; I need to be out of town on business. But if it's on any other
> date, I'd love to hear from you.
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Rich Hathaway
> Olathe, Kan.
> 
> 



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I currently have 6  pair of binos, ranging from 7x35 to 25x100 -- 
and I need to figure out which ones to keep and which should go.
I'll decide in a week or two. I think I need to star test again with my 
aging eyes.
Kathy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Fox" <sm20@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 3:05 PM
Subject: RE: [ASKC] Scope for Sale


> Kathy,
> I need to replace my binoculars.  Please send info. And prices.
>
> Thanks
>
> Dave fox

Kathy,
When you get things fig.ed out let me know.  I would like to see what you
have before I hit the reseller.
Dave

Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 7:51 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Scope for Sale

I currently have 6  pair of binos, ranging from 7x35 to 25x100 -- and I need
to figure out which ones to keep and which should go.
I'll decide in a week or two. I think I need to star test again with my
aging eyes.
Kathy

See images from SOHO over last few days made into a movie. Awesome.

http://www.space.com/spacewatch/soho_lasco_c3_live.html

Dave H. 



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For me, at least, the animation didn't work on that link.
 
But you can get to it directly from SOHO's website:
 
http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/realtime/mpeg/
 
Click on the LASCO C3 image at whatever resolution you want to download.
 
There is an odd "ghost" of the comet 180 degrees from the sun in that animation ... anyone know what it is?
 
-Dave Dembinski
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: dhudgins@...
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 10:15 PM
Subject: [ASKC] SOHO comet movie - wow


See images from SOHO over last few days made into a movie. Awesome.

http://www.space.com/spacewatch/soho_lasco_c3_live.html

Dave H. 

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I noticed that, too...it is, as you say, a "ghost image",
or "lens flare", a reflection in the camera's lens. This
happens with pretty much any very bright light. Can't be
helped.

Speaking of which...does anyone besides myself think it's
dumb to show fake lens flares in computer generated space
images? Every astro documentary now incorporates multiple
reflections in any illustration that includes a bright star
or other light source. Why? If you're not using a multiple-
element lens, why introduce a lens' abberations? Opticians
have been trying to get rid of these things for centuries,
hence the development of anti-reflective coatings and such.

This trend seems to have started with Kim Poor's space art
in the early 1980s. He began including multiple lens flares
in his paintings, as if the scene is viewed through a lens.
A novel idea, at the time, but really of no practical value.
A few years later, a Lens Flare plug-in was developed for
Photoshop, and everyone jumped on the reflection bandwagon.
Carl Sagan's Cosmos series, for instance, was recently re-
done and aired on the Science Channel. The difference? Some
images that didn't exist in 1980, and phony lens flares.

Please pardon my rant. This is a pet peeve of mine, and I'd
like to hear others' opinions about it. Rant mode off...

-J.Cravens


--- David Dembinski wrote:
>
> ...
> There is an odd "ghost" of the comet 180 degrees from
> the sun in that animation ... anyone know what it is?
>  
> -Dave Dembinski

Darn clouds. It looks like we might have a few small breaks in the clouds
later today to make an attempt to see the comet.

Is anybody going out for the comet?  I know the clouds aren't  cooperating - 
but .........
 
Where are you going to be?
 
Mike Sterling


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I had a couple of clear areas drift by a little while ago but couldnt' make out the comet. I'll try again after I warm up a little. Anyone else trying?


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I looked many times today when the clouds thined out. There was always a
bright haze and I didn't see anything. Sure was bright out though?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <mikekansascity@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Re: comet


> Is anybody going out for the comet?  I know the clouds aren't
 cooperating -
> but .........
>
> Where are you going to be?
>
> Mike Sterling
>
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Ditto the rant.

 

 

Dick Harshaw

KC, MO

 

"Prediction is very difficult, especially it it's about the future."  --
Niels Bohr

 

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From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John
Cravens
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 2:08 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Re: SOHO comet movie -&- lens flares

 


Please pardon my rant. This is a pet peeve of mine, and I'd
like to hear others' opinions about it. Rant mode off...

-J.Cravens

--- David Dembinski wrote:
>
> ...
> There is an odd "ghost" of the comet 180 degrees from
> the sun in that animation ... anyone know what it is?
> 





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I just tried from my driveway, using the neighbor's roof as a block for the
sun and using my small binos to view close to the sun.  The "clear" sky is
actually pretty hazy up here yet and I was not able to see the comet through
the haze.  

 

 

Dick Harshaw

KC, MO

 

"Prediction is very difficult, especially it it's about the future."  --
Niels Bohr

 

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From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David
Young
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 11:04 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] comet

 

I had a couple of clear areas drift by a little while ago but couldnt' make
out the comet. I'll try again after I warm up a little. Anyone else trying?

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I tried around 4:30 but even with breaks in the clouds was unable to find
it.
 
Clear skies,
 
Gary Pittman
 

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From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David
Young
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 11:04 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] comet



I had a couple of clear areas drift by a little while ago but couldnt' make
out the comet. I'll try again after I warm up a little. Anyone else trying?

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Dick - I'll be glad to help you .... on January 22,  Monday.   and they are 
giving $100 to ASKC? - WOW ...
It looks like we could use several more scopes .....   
 
yo ... you .... ya want the fat old white man to sit on you?????? HELP US  
... HELP US ...
Mike Sterling


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Thanks, Mike!  Yeah, 2 or 3 more with scopes or big binos would be a great
help!  SOS. "send out scopes".

 

 

Dick Harshaw

KC, MO

 

"Prediction is very difficult, especially it it's about the future."  --
Niels Bohr

 

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From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
mikekansascity@...
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 9:33 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Off Site Star Party

 

Dick - I'll be glad to help you .... on January 22, Monday. and they are 
giving $100 to ASKC? - WOW ...
It looks like we could use several more scopes ..... 

yo ... you .... ya want the fat old white man to sit on you?????? HELP US 
... HELP US ...
Mike Sterling

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Probably everybody knows about this but me   lol    incredible catalog & web 
site   perfect gift ideas for this group  ....
_http://www.universecollection.com/default.asp_ 
(http://www.universecollection.com/default.asp) 
 
Mike Sterling
 
Ps - geeezzzz - almost forgot ...
3511 NE Shady Lane KCMO 64119
That's where you can send my birthday gift (June, but early delivery is  ok).
You guys will have to ck with each other so I don't get a multiple gift of  
the $1995.00 Mars Meteorite with cool display mount #  S1086-L     :)
 


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Supposedly the best time to try to see it is around noon. I tried through the clouds but I could no see anything. I videotaped the area and will examine to see if I got it (doubt it but it is worth a try).
I will try today in between teaching classes etc.
 However I have not hearing anyone else in the US seeing it yesterday or for the next few days.Anyone else see or hear anything ?
 
Meanwhile the electricity went out around my neighborhood for an hour and we were in the dark . I missed half of my TV show 24 . Any ASKC people fans of the 24 TVshow?
 
But the electricity went back on so I could see the end of the KU game. 
 
Dr.Eric Flescher
kcstarguy@...
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Hi Folks,

Yes, I have tried repeatedly and carefully the last two days (Monday between clouds, and Tuesday in clear skies), but I have been unable to spot ithe comet with binoculars. 

I think the backlit frozen ice crystals are just too bright from our location. On the other hand, I have notoriously bad eyes .... so others may be able to spot it when I can't. Post your results!

Dave H. 

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Thought this news clip was interesting:

"God's particle" search Fermilab's last


BATAVIA, Ill. (UPI) -- U.S. scientists at Fermi National Accelerator
Laboratory in Illinois are near the supreme physics find: the subatomic
particle that gives the universe mass.

The subatomic particle is called the Higgs boson and, according to physics
theory, is linked to an invisible field filtering through the universe, the
Chicago Sun-Times said Tuesday. As particles move, the field clings to them,
making them heavy and creating mass.

The Higgs field can't be found directly. But scientists hope Fermilab's
accelerator will loosen up the field's particles, which could be detected.

Discovering the Higgs -- nicknamed God's particle -- will tax the Fermilab's
particle-smashing machine in Batavia, Ill., near Chicago. But physicists
said new calculations indicate the mass of the Higgs particle is lower than
previously thought, making it easier to find.

The find would be quite a send-off for Fermilab's accelerator, scheduled to
shut down in 2009 when a more powerful accelerator in Europe is expected to
be operational, scientists said.

"It would seal its already illustrious career," said University of Florida
physicist Jacobo Konigsberg, a spokesman for one of Fermilab's two major
research teams.

Finding the particle also could boost Fermilab's efforts to secure a
multibillion-dollar replacement accelerator.

Copyright 2007 by United Press International






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Thought this one was interesting too:

ESA launches biodiversity project

PARIS (UPI) -- The European Space Agency, supporting a U.N. program seeking
to turn back biodiversity loss, launched its own diversity project.

The loss of biodiversity threatens food supplies, energy and medicine, ESA
said in a news release.

The ESA diversity project is being developed to relate to areas in which
Earth observation technology may assist conservation efforts and activities
of the U.N. Convention on Biodiversity in Central America, the space agency
said. Some of the ESA initiatives would include coral reef maps, ocean water
quality monitoring services and wildlife migration processes.

The diversity project, developed under ESA's Data User Element program, is
being carried out in collaboration with the UNCBD leader and the U.N.
Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization. In addition to being a
user, UNESCO coordinates users and contractors selected by ESA.

"With this activity, ESA and UNESCO are aiming to derive a working
methodology," UNESCO's Mario Hernandez said. "We plan to start deriving
biodiversity indicators, which means that for the first time we will go one
step further in Earth observation measurements -- from space to place."

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I'm definitely up for it ... parking map at 
http://www2.ku.edu/~univrel/ku_resources/parking_map.pdf.

Anybody else interested?

Jay

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, Jackie Beucher <m31@...> wrote:
>
> If a person would decide to go to this, where do you park?   There 
used to
> be a few spots for visitors on the west side of Malott, but that 
was a few
> years back.
> 
> Jackie B.
> 
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf 
Of David
> Young
>   Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 10:23 AM
>   To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: [ASKC] Ashman lecture
> 
> 
>   Dr. Keith Ashman will give a talk on Understanding Galaxy 
Formation
> January 19 at 7:30 at 1001 Malott Hall, University of Kansas
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Yeah, I'm a Bauer-head.  Which part did you miss last night?  It was a
doozy!

 

 

Dick Harshaw

KC, MO

 

"Prediction is very difficult, especially it it's about the future."  --
Niels Bohr

 

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From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
KCStarguy@...
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 11:51 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] I tried Monday

 

Supposedly the best time to try to see it is around noon. I tried through
the clouds but I could no see anything. I videotaped the area and will
examine to see if I got it (doubt it but it is worth a try).
I will try today in between teaching classes etc.
However I have not hearing anyone else in the US seeing it yesterday or for
the next few days.Anyone else see or hear anything ?

Meanwhile the electricity went out around my neighborhood for an hour and we
were in the dark . I missed half of my TV show 24 . Any ASKC people fans of
the 24 TVshow?

But the electricity went back on so I could see the end of the KU game. 

Dr.Eric Flescher
kcstarguy@aol. <mailto:kcstarguy%40aol.com> com
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ratttsss. I used the SkyScout to locate Venus relative to a tree branch in my front yard. I couldn't find it with small binoculars. I went ahead and scanned for the comet anyway and came up dry. I can usually spot Venus with the unaided eye when its bright but since I couldn't find it with binoculars I have to conclude the comet is out of our reach here in the flatlands:-(


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Yeah, what you said.  I tried a few times today.  Sky looked "pretty" 
good, but one view thru binos and you realized how washed out it really 
is.  I couldn't find Venus today either, and also came up blank on the 
comet.

Mitch Glaze

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "David Young" <dyoung8@...> wrote:
>
> ratttsss. I used the SkyScout to locate Venus relative to a tree 
branch in my front yard. I couldn't find it with small binoculars. I 
went ahead and scanned for the comet anyway and came up dry. I can 
usually spot Venus with the unaided eye when its bright but since I 
couldn't find it with binoculars I have to conclude the comet is out of 
our reach here in the flatlands:-(
> 
> 
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>

I just found this webpage. 
http://www.sallyridefestivals.com/07umkc0414/index.shtml Sally Ride is 
bringing one of her Festivals to UMKC on the 14th of April. 
Registration is on-line only. I have registered Miranda and myself. 

Mike Myer
Humboldt KS

I tried 4 different times this afternoon and had the same results... 
couldn't even find Venus in the 20x80 binocs, let alone the comet. It 
was still very clear after sunset and I scanned the horizon for hints 
of a tail... nothing! All I managed to do was slip on the 3 inches of 
ice while trying to carry my camera and tripod over the neighbors 
fence out back. I swear the dog was laughing as i slid down the small hill.

Vic

PS

Both my observing buddy's in Bolivia, Rudolfo at the National 
Observatory in Tarija and Gonzalo in Cochabamba have been skunked so 
far from seeing the comet, its the rainy season down there and they 
are praying for some clear skies in the days to come.


At 05:00 PM 1/16/2007, you wrote:
>Yeah, what you said.  I tried a few times today.  Sky looked "pretty"
>good, but one view thru binos and you realized how washed out it really
>is.  I couldn't find Venus today either, and also came up blank on the
>comet.
>
>Mitch Glaze
>
>--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "David Young" <dyoung8@...> wrote:
> >
> > ratttsss. I used the SkyScout to locate Venus relative to a tree
>branch in my front yard. I couldn't find it with small binoculars. I
>went ahead and scanned for the comet anyway and came up dry. I can
>usually spot Venus with the unaided eye when its bright but since I
>couldn't find it with binoculars I have to conclude the comet is out of
>our reach here in the flatlands:-(
> >
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Vic Winter, Owner
DayStar Filters LLC www.DayStarFilters.com
ICSTARS Astronomy www.icstars.com
StarGarden Foundation - www.StarGardenFoundation.org
Southern Skies Star Party Director - www.sssp.org
NASA/JPL Solar System Ambassador

thanks Mike ....
Wondering if they would like any scopes with solar views available?
In one of their pics for workshops - they show people at scopes ....
Would Dick Harshaw - Education be the one to run with this?
Just thinkin out loud ...
Mike Sterling


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I tried repeatedly and couldn't find it.  Spaceweather.com is talking about
the daytime comet in the past tense.

-Leif


On 1/16/07, David Hudgins <dhudgins@...> wrote:
>
>   Hi Folks,
>
> Yes, I have tried repeatedly and carefully the last two days (Monday
> between clouds, and Tuesday in clear skies), but I have been unable to spot
> ithe comet with binoculars.
>
> I think the backlit frozen ice crystals are just too bright from our
> location. On the other hand, I have notoriously bad eyes .... so others may
> be able to spot it when I can't. Post your results!
>
> Dave H.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>  
>


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> Wondering if they would like any scopes with solar views available?
> In one of their pics for workshops - they show people at scopes ....
> Would Dick Harshaw - Education be the one to run with this?
> Just thinkin out loud ...

I wondered about that too. I don't know when the information about the
festival was released but my guess is was just today or so. I plan on
spending the day with Miranda. Sally Ride is one person she has really
wanted to meet. I have not checked the UMKC webpage to see where the
festival would be held at. Any one else know? I think there was a Sally Ride
festival at UMKC a few years ago.

Mike Myer
Humboldt KS

Mike:

They haven't posted the particulars about locations and events.  I've 
volunteered to help and I also plan to attend.  This would right up the 
Girl Scout work I do.  

Joe

Joe:

     After talking with Tim Kristl on Sunday afternoon
I am of the same belief that we need to beef up the
pier to support the 12" scope. This can be
accommplished by sleeving the 3" pipe with a 10" piece
of drill pipe atleast 3/8" thick. Later concrete can
be poured between the two pipes and the bottom plate
welded on top. Now would be the right time to do
this.....................let me know what you think of
the idea..................  Bill Boyle
--- Joe Wright <jswright@...> wrote:

> Mike:
> 
> They haven't posted the particulars about locations
> and events.  I've 
> volunteered to help and I also plan to attend.  This
> would right up the 
> Girl Scout work I do.  
> 
> Joe
> 
> 



 
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> They haven't posted the particulars about locations and events.  I've
> volunteered to help and I also plan to attend.  This would right up the
> Girl Scout work I do.

If you think about it please let me know where it is going to be. I am not
that familiar with UMKC.

Thanks.

Mike

Well the snow/ice managed to freeze a lot of the dust down and the
viewing was really pretty good. The dew, really the frost came in
about 8:00 and put kind of a damper on the telrad but overall it was a
good time. I managed to get three observations done and recorded. Some
would say that the summer is the best part of being a teacher, I don't
mind the snow days either!

Hello everyone!

Our group file and photo area is 61% full.  Please check your postings 
and see if you can delete some documents and pics.

I appreciate your help,

Gina

    How do I delete the albums? They are empty.
Randy

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Gina Fedon 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 10:19 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] File area cleanup


  Hello everyone!

  Our group file and photo area is 61% full. Please check your postings 
  and see if you can delete some documents and pics.

  I appreciate your help,

  Gina



   

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Bill:

When we looked at the scope and took things apart, we discussed 
adding legs to the pier.  Since the plates are larger and center of 
the mount is not the center of the base, it is offset to the south, 
we wanted to move the plates to the north so that we did not 
interfere with the enclosure structure.  Special attention would be 
required at the base of the 10" column at the concrete base.  Some 
kind of collar would need to be fabricated to fasten the 10" to the 
3" at the base.  Also, as you fill the column, you change their 
vibration frequency.  Solid material causes more vibration than 
filling with sand and a viscous fluid (oil).  A flange/pipe 
configuration maybe more applicable.  A flange with 8 bolts maybe 
more practical and the 3" could be abandoned in place or removed.  
The bolts could be anchored using epoxy for foundation bolts.  This 
type of system is acceptable by many codes in place of "J" bolts 
installed during concrete placement.  The only external action on the 
scope is the wind, since the base is an isolated unit (no walking 
inside the scope enclosure).  

I'll look over the pictures.  It is something to look into when the 
plates are ready and we dry fit things.  I plan to get the wedge this 
weekend.

I would like Gil or Roger to drill the holes.  They have a much 
better drill press than I.

Joe

Will the 2007 Messier Marathon be held at Powell or at the dark sky 
site?

Rich Hathaway

Thanks for pointing that out, Gary. I thought I'd sent the message to 
Jim, rather than to the whole group.

The Yahoo interface has changed since the last time I sent a message 
directly to an e-mail address. Looks like the drop-down "To" menu now 
is the way to do that.

Rich Hathaway

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Gary Pittman" <namttip@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Rich,
>  
> I noticed this message and thought I should intervene. I don't 
think Jim Roe
> is a member of this e-group. You need to contact him directly at
> jroe@...
>  
> Clear skies,
>  
> Gary Pittman
>  
> 
>   _____  
> 
> From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Rich
> Hathaway
> Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 1:03 PM
> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [ASKC] AstroImaging workshop
> 
> 
> 
> Jim,
> 
> Your notice about an astro-imaging workshop appeared on the message 
> board of the Astronomical Society of Kansas City.
> 
> I'd be VERY interested in such a workshop. A Feb 25 date wouldn't 
work 
> for me; I need to be out of town on business. But if it's on any 
other 
> date, I'd love to hear from you.
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Rich Hathaway
> Olathe, Kan.
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

David Hudgins wrote:

>See images from SOHO over last few days made into a movie. Awesome.
>
>  
>
Thanks for the pointer.  There is a SOHO story on Nasa TV in the current 
rotation.

I just saw some of the other programs repeat, but I have no idea if the 
SOHO will
be repeated.  It was about the instrument design more than the mission, 
but is
interesting to see considering this web site.

Jim

I still have a heafty piece of 10" left. I think its 1/2" wall. It will take
2 or 3 people to handle it or maybe we can reach over the fence with my pump
rig.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William Boyle" <lostinspacebill@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 8:10 PM
Subject: [ASKC] pier for 12" scope in AIC


> Joe:
>
>      After talking with Tim Kristl on Sunday afternoon
> I am of the same belief that we need to beef up the
> pier to support the 12" scope. This can be
> accommplished by sleeving the 3" pipe with a 10" piece
> of drill pipe atleast 3/8" thick. Later concrete can
> be poured between the two pipes and the bottom plate
> welded on top. Now would be the right time to do
> this.....................let me know what you think of
> the idea..................  Bill Boyle
> --- Joe Wright <jswright@...> wrote:
>
> > Mike:
> >
> > They haven't posted the particulars about locations
> > and events.  I've
> > volunteered to help and I also plan to attend.  This
> > would right up the
> > Girl Scout work I do.
> >
> > Joe
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rich
Hathaway
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 11:55 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Re: AstroImaging workshop



Thanks for pointing that out, Gary. I thought I'd sent the message to 
Jim, rather than to the whole group.

The Yahoo interface has changed since the last time I sent a message 
directly to an e-mail address. Looks like the drop-down "To" menu now 
is the way to do that.

Rich Hathaway

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups. <mailto:ASKC%40yahoogroups.com> com, "Gary Pittman"
<namttip@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Rich,
> 
> I noticed this message and thought I should intervene. I don't 
think Jim Roe
> is a member of this e-group. You need to contact him directly at
> jroe@...
> 
> Clear skies,
> 
> Gary Pittman
> 
> 
> _____ 
> 
> From: ASKC@yahoogroups. <mailto:ASKC%40yahoogroups.com> com
[mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups. <mailto:ASKC%40yahoogroups.com> com] On Behalf 
Of Rich
> Hathaway
> Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 1:03 PM
> To: ASKC@yahoogroups. <mailto:ASKC%40yahoogroups.com> com
> Subject: [ASKC] AstroImaging workshop
> 
> 
> 
> Jim,
> 
> Your notice about an astro-imaging workshop appeared on the message 
> board of the Astronomical Society of Kansas City.
> 
> I'd be VERY interested in such a workshop. A Feb 25 date wouldn't 
work 
> for me; I need to be out of town on business. But if it's on any 
other 
> date, I'd love to hear from you.
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Rich Hathaway
> Olathe, Kan.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>



 


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-------------- Forwarded Message: -------------- 
From: Vincent Davis <vjwolf3@...> 
To: s.kranz1@... 
Subject: Membership in Independence, MO 
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 01:04:05 +0000 

January 13, 2007

I am new to ASKC and I am seeking transportation to my home in Independence, MO. after meetings, if this is possible please put me in touch with a member either passing through or residing in Independence, MO. 

Vincent Davis
1121 W. Truman Rd. 
Rear #1
Independence, MO. 64050
816-254-3264

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Dark Sky Site.

-Scott

--
The Golden Rule of Astronomy - “If you own a telescope, you have a moral obligation to share the view!” - John Dobson

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: "Rich Hathaway" <richhathaway@...> 
Will the 2007 Messier Marathon be held at Powell or at the dark sky 
site?

Rich Hathaway


 

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

A big thank you to whomever took the time to delete pictures from the files
area:  we are now at a nice 16%.
Have a great Wednesday,

Gina 

Kurt asked that I post a message about this weekend.

Given the weather is forecasted to improve this weekend, there is a 
work party.

IF WE CAN GET A ENOUGH WORKERS, WE CAN CONTINUE INSTALLATION OF THE 
METAL POSTS IN THE WALL AND CLEAN THE MIRROR.

Tom Martinez is offering to clean the mirror provided we have the 
people power.

We need to get the observatory up and running!  A good cleaning of the 
place would not hurt.

Please respond.

Thanks,

Joe

I'll be back from Hutchinson Friday night and will eagerly await the massive
response.

Four people won't cut it this time. Six people for 6 hours is the minimum
needed to get things done.

Barring unforeseen events, I will e there.  What time?

 

 

Dick Harshaw

KC, MO

 

"Prediction is very difficult, especially it it's about the future."  --
Niels Bohr

 

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From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joe
Wright
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 12:31 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Powell Work

 

Kurt asked that I post a message about this weekend.

Given the weather is forecasted to improve this weekend, there is a 
work party.

IF WE CAN GET A ENOUGH WORKERS, WE CAN CONTINUE INSTALLATION OF THE 
METAL POSTS IN THE WALL AND CLEAN THE MIRROR.

Tom Martinez is offering to clean the mirror provided we have the 
people power.

We need to get the observatory up and running! A good cleaning of the 
place would not hurt.

Please respond.

Thanks,

Joe

 



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I would say no later than 10:00 am.

I can make it on Saturday.

Larry G






-- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Wright" <jswright@...> wrote:
>
> I would say no later than 10:00 am.
>

I can probably be there by 10 but will have to break away by 12:30 PM 
for the Outreach Study Group mtg, which will include quite a few other 
ASKCers as well.

Jay

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "larry goode" <lagoode916@...> wrote:
>
> I can make it on Saturday.
> 
> Larry G
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Wright" <jswright@> wrote:
> >
> > I would say no later than 10:00 am.
> >
>

I will be there provided my far better half has no unshared projects
she wants done.
Darrick


--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Wright" <jswright@...> wrote:
>
> Kurt asked that I post a message about this weekend.
> 
> Given the weather is forecasted to improve this weekend, there is a 
> work party.
> 
> IF WE CAN GET A ENOUGH WORKERS, WE CAN CONTINUE INSTALLATION OF THE 
> METAL POSTS IN THE WALL AND CLEAN THE MIRROR.
> 
> Tom Martinez is offering to clean the mirror provided we have the 
> people power.
> 
> We need to get the observatory up and running!  A good cleaning of the 
> place would not hurt.
> 
> Please respond.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Joe
>

    I shall try to be there. I do have a appointment later in the evening.
Randy
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Joe Wright 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 12:31 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] Powell Work


  Kurt asked that I post a message about this weekend.

  Given the weather is forecasted to improve this weekend, there is a 
  work party.

  IF WE CAN GET A ENOUGH WORKERS, WE CAN CONTINUE INSTALLATION OF THE 
  METAL POSTS IN THE WALL AND CLEAN THE MIRROR.

  Tom Martinez is offering to clean the mirror provided we have the 
  people power.

  We need to get the observatory up and running! A good cleaning of the 
  place would not hurt.

  Please respond.

  Thanks,

  Joe



   

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

My wife and I are members at Powell Gardens, east of Kansas City.  Recently we received their newsletter which contained the following link on Star Light, Starry Night Astronomy Programs offered by the KCSLUGS, which I'm sure many of our members know something about.  In case you're interested, the link is:

http://www.powellgardens.org/default.asp?page=YouthFamilyClasses#star

and I think it would behoove us to see what other related activities exist in our area.

I have been investigating possible locations for Astronomy Day on April 21st, but after reading this ad, I'm wondering if we're not overlooking a potential asset and ally that's almost literally in Powell Observatory's backyard, that being the Overland Park Arboretum and Botanical Gardens.

This could be yet another way of extending the outreach and awareness of Powell Observatory to the public and could also provide an additional location for programs that could be complementary to the programs given at Powell.  The Arboretum is already a well-known attraction and should share many common goals and ideals of the ASKC.

Any comments?  Have we contacted them before or do we have any history with them, good or bad?

Rick Henderson

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 
In a message dated 1/17/2007 12:42:14 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
jswright@... writes:

re. - "A good cleaning of the place would not hurt."  
.............................
  3-5 people could easily stay busy - clean counters ... sweep ...  vinyl 
floors scrubbed ... cob webs - corners - toilets - light fixtures -  kitchen  - 
just to name as few on the list.
HELP US   HELP US   HELP US  .....  I'll do one of the bathrooms .... who 
will take the  other?????


I'll be there Sat.
Mike Sterling








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Tue Jan 16, 2007 6:25 pm (PST) 

I've had enough positive response to the idea of a Digital Astro-Imaging 
Workshop that I've decided it is a go! I've reserved the room for 
Saturday, February 24, 2007 in Weldon Spring, Missouri.

I will post more details on the ASEM web site, but for advanced planning 
you can count on the workshop running from 10:00 am to 4:00 pm, lunch 
will be provided and we will have the room until 9:00 pm if there should 
be interest in informal discussions afterward.

I will set up a registration procedure to keep track of everyone (those 
who replied positively in the survey will still need to register a more 
positive commitment). I plan to list those who register on the web page 
(as do many other conferences/workshops) to encourage others to join in 
(unless explicitly requested not too).

Please spread this announcement among other groups or lists.

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I've had enough positive response to the idea of a Digital Astro-Imaging 
Workshop that I've decided it is a go! I've reserved the room for 
Saturday, February 24, 2007 in Weldon Spring, Missouri.

I will post more details on the ASEM web site, but for advanced planning 
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I've had enough positive response to the idea of a Digital Astro-Imaging 
Workshop that I've decided it is a go! I've reserved the room for 
Saturday, February 24, 2007 in Weldon Spring, Missouri.

I will post more details on the ASEM web site, but for advanced planning 
you can count on the workshop running from 10:00 am to 4:00 pm, lunch 
will be provided and we will have the room until 9:00 pm if there should 
be interest in informal discussions afterward.

I will set up a registration procedure to keep track of everyone (those 
who replied positively in the survey will still need to register a more 
positive commitment). I plan to list those who register on the web page 
(as do many other conferences/workshops) to encourage others to join in 
(unless explicitly requested not too).

Please spread this announcement among other groups or lists.

Jim Roe

If you are interested contact Jim Roe at: jroe@...
 
 
Clear skies,
 
Gary Pittman


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hmmmm.   As Arte Johnson used to say on "Laugh In",  'Velllly intellesting.'
Good idea, Rick.  Might be a good place to try!

 

 

Dick Harshaw

KC, MO

 

"Prediction is very difficult, especially it it's about the future."  --
Niels Bohr

 

  _____  

From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Henderson
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 5:24 PM
To: ASKC Yahoo Group
Subject: [ASKC] Starry Night Astronomy Programs at Powell Gardens

 

My wife and I are members at Powell Gardens, east of Kansas City. Recently
we received their newsletter which contained the following link on Star
Light, Starry Night Astronomy Programs offered by the KCSLUGS, which I'm
sure many of our members know something about. In case you're interested,
the link is:

http://www.powellga
<http://www.powellgardens.org/default.asp?page=YouthFamilyClasses#star>
rdens.org/default.asp?page=YouthFamilyClasses#star

and I think it would behoove us to see what other related activities exist
in our area.

I have been investigating possible locations for Astronomy Day on April
21st, but after reading this ad, I'm wondering if we're not overlooking a
potential asset and ally that's almost literally in Powell Observatory's
backyard, that being the Overland Park Arboretum and Botanical Gardens.

This could be yet another way of extending the outreach and awareness of
Powell Observatory to the public and could also provide an additional
location for programs that could be complementary to the programs given at
Powell. The Arboretum is already a well-known attraction and should share
many common goals and ideals of the ASKC.

Any comments? Have we contacted them before or do we have any history with
them, good or bad?

Rick Henderson

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I'll try and be there part of the day but I am pre-committed as a sponsor for the robotic team at SMS and they will be working from 8am Sat to 6 or 8pm that day.  
dt

-------------- Original message from "David Young" <dyoung8@...>: -------------- 


> I'll be back from Hutchinson Friday night and will eagerly await the massive 
> response. 
> 
> Four people won't cut it this time. Six people for 6 hours is the minimum 
> needed to get things done. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links 
> 
> 
> 

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

At the last Board Meeting, we talked a little bit about inviting the 
Mid-States Region to our Dark Sky Site for the Messier Marathon.

I was wondering......  Should I say that interested people should 
contact me for directions, or should I put out directions and info on 
the Mid-States group for anyone to see????  I suppose it doesn't 
really matter because if they go to the ASKC web site on the Dark 
Skies link, they can get our location through the Clear Sky Clock.

Was there going to be food served Friday and/or Saturday nights?

Any other activities that should be advertised?

-scott

I'll need to know how many for food, if we think we are going over 25 or 30
people. 
Last year we had about 15 for dinner.

At this point in time, I think 10 for Friday night and 30(?) for the
Saturday night dinner.
Plus who knows how the weather will be.

Dave F.





-----Original Message-----
From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott
Kranz
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 9:12 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Messier Marathon party

At the last Board Meeting, we talked a little bit about inviting the
Mid-States Region to our Dark Sky Site for the Messier Marathon.

I was wondering......  Should I say that interested people should contact me
for directions, or should I put out directions and info on the Mid-States
group for anyone to see????  I suppose it doesn't really matter because if
they go to the ASKC web site on the Dark Skies link, they can get our
location through the Clear Sky Clock.

Was there going to be food served Friday and/or Saturday nights?

Any other activities that should be advertised?

-scott





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

And you just take $$$ before eating, right?

Plan for those numbers for now.  Once I make an announcment on the 
MSRAL group, I'll have them respond if they are going so we can get 
a more accurate count as the time draws nearer.

-scott

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Fox" <sm20@...> wrote:
>
> I'll need to know how many for food, if we think we are going over 
25 or 30
> people. 
> Last year we had about 15 for dinner.
> 
> At this point in time, I think 10 for Friday night and 30(?) for 
the
> Saturday night dinner.
> Plus who knows how the weather will be.
> 
> Dave F.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Scott
> Kranz
> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 9:12 AM
> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [ASKC] Messier Marathon party
> 
> At the last Board Meeting, we talked a little bit about inviting 
the
> Mid-States Region to our Dark Sky Site for the Messier Marathon.
> 
> I was wondering......  Should I say that interested people should 
contact me
> for directions, or should I put out directions and info on the Mid-
States
> group for anyone to see????  I suppose it doesn't really matter 
because if
> they go to the ASKC web site on the Dark Skies link, they can get 
our
> location through the Clear Sky Clock.
> 
> Was there going to be food served Friday and/or Saturday nights?
> 
> Any other activities that should be advertised?
> 
> -scott
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>

Yep, Once I fig. out cost on what food to have.

Dave f

-----Original Message-----
From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott
Kranz
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 10:29 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Re: Messier Marathon party

And you just take $$$ before eating, right?

Plan for those numbers for now.  Once I make an announcment on the MSRAL
group, I'll have them respond if they are going so we can get a more
accurate count as the time draws nearer.

-scott

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Fox" <sm20@...> wrote:
>
> I'll need to know how many for food, if we think we are going over
25 or 30
> people. 
> Last year we had about 15 for dinner.
> 
> At this point in time, I think 10 for Friday night and 30(?) for
the
> Saturday night dinner.
> Plus who knows how the weather will be.
> 
> Dave F.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Scott
> Kranz
> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 9:12 AM
> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [ASKC] Messier Marathon party
> 
> At the last Board Meeting, we talked a little bit about inviting
the
> Mid-States Region to our Dark Sky Site for the Messier Marathon.
> 
> I was wondering......  Should I say that interested people should
contact me
> for directions, or should I put out directions and info on the Mid-
States
> group for anyone to see????  I suppose it doesn't really matter
because if
> they go to the ASKC web site on the Dark Skies link, they can get
our
> location through the Clear Sky Clock.
> 
> Was there going to be food served Friday and/or Saturday nights?
> 
> Any other activities that should be advertised?
> 
> -scott
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>






 
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Sorry, a bit off-topic, but I know many of you scan astro-photos you 
took in the "old days" with a 35mm camera.

How high of resolution is the top before a higher resolution gives no 
benefit?

I've scanned a couple pics at both 900dpi and 1200dpi and notice no 
difference (except a larger file size and image size).

So basically, what is the resolution, or dpi, of a 35mm picture?

Thanks!

-Scott

I don't see a problem with advertising the location on their respective web
sites since one has to have the combination to get in the place anyway.  It
would sure save a lot of work and time to post the information that way,
Scott.

 

 

 

Dick Harshaw

KC, MO

 

"Prediction is very difficult, especially it it's about the future."  --
Niels Bohr

 

  _____  

From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott
Kranz
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 9:12 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Messier Marathon party

 

At the last Board Meeting, we talked a little bit about inviting the 
Mid-States Region to our Dark Sky Site for the Messier Marathon.

I was wondering...... Should I say that interested people should 
contact me for directions, or should I put out directions and info on 
the Mid-States group for anyone to see???? I suppose it doesn't 
really matter because if they go to the ASKC web site on the Dark 
Skies link, they can get our location through the Clear Sky Clock.

Was there going to be food served Friday and/or Saturday nights?

Any other activities that should be advertised?

-scott

 



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This isn't really an answer, but ...

Depends on film speed, which determines graininess, and print size.  A 
picture of the Moon, for example, could use relatively slow, fine-
grained film, while a picture of some low-density deep-sky object, 
like M33, might use much faster, grainier film.

A larger print might be OK to scan at lower resolution than a small 
print.


--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Kranz" <s.kranz1@...> wrote:
>
> Sorry, a bit off-topic, but I know many of you scan astro-photos you 
> took in the "old days" with a 35mm camera.
> 
> How high of resolution is the top before a higher resolution gives 
no 
> benefit?
> 
> I've scanned a couple pics at both 900dpi and 1200dpi and notice no 
> difference (except a larger file size and image size).
> 
> So basically, what is the resolution, or dpi, of a 35mm picture?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> -Scott
>

Technically, the resolution of a 35mm picture depends on the size of the
metallic crystals that capture the image-a few microns at largest, much
smaller for finer grain films.  When "converting" a photo (which, in
computer-eze, would have gazillilons of "bytes")  into a computer format,
you are, by the nature of the electronic display medium (made up of pixels)
limited by the pixel size and resolution abilities of the computer display.
For normal desktop use, 600 dpi is probably a good a photo as you'd need. If
you wanted to send an image file to a job printer, though, for printing on
paper using color or high res black and white, the bigger the file, the
better.  You won't see much difference on  your computer screen, but to the
printer, it makes all the difference in the world.

 

Likewise, if you wanted to enlarge a small piece of a digital photo, the
larger the parent file, the better.

 

 

Dick Harshaw

KC, MO

 

"Prediction is very difficult, especially it it's about the future."  --
Niels Bohr

 

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From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott
Kranz
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 11:33 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] scanning pics - OFF TOPIC

 

Sorry, a bit off-topic, but I know many of you scan astro-photos you 
took in the "old days" with a 35mm camera.

How high of resolution is the top before a higher resolution gives no 
benefit?

I've scanned a couple pics at both 900dpi and 1200dpi and notice no 
difference (except a larger file size and image size).

So basically, what is the resolution, or dpi, of a 35mm picture?

Thanks!

-Scott

 



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How are you scanning the film?  What scanner are you using?

Dave 



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From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott
Kranz
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 11:33 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] scanning pics - OFF TOPIC

Sorry, a bit off-topic, but I know many of you scan astro-photos you took in
the "old days" with a 35mm camera.

How high of resolution is the top before a higher resolution gives no
benefit?

I've scanned a couple pics at both 900dpi and 1200dpi and notice no
difference (except a larger file size and image size).

So basically, what is the resolution, or dpi, of a 35mm picture?

Thanks!

-Scott





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

Never thought of that,...... the pics I'm scanning are mostly 4x6 and 5x7 and mostly shot with 400 speed film.

--
The Golden Rule of Astronomy - “If you own a telescope, you have a moral obligation to share the view!” - John Dobson

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: "Jay Manifold" <jaymanifold@...> 
This isn't really an answer, but ...

Depends on film speed, which determines graininess, and print size. A 
picture of the Moon, for example, could use relatively slow, fine-
grained film, while a picture of some low-density deep-sky object, 
like M33, might use much faster, grainier film.

A larger print might be OK to scan at lower resolution than a small 
print.

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Kranz" <s.kranz1@...> wrote:
>
> Sorry, a bit off-topic, but I know many of you scan astro-photos you 
> took in the "old days" with a 35mm camera.
> 
> How high of resolution is the top before a higher resolution gives 
no 
> benefit?
> 
> I've scanned a couple pics at both 900dpi and 1200dpi and notice no 
> difference (except a larger file size and image size).
> 
> So basically, what is the resolution, or dpi, of a 35mm picture?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> -Scott
>


 

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Ooops, I jumped on thinking what you are doing..

The best way is to scan is by scanning the 35mm negatives, but it take a
very good film scanner to do it.

Here is a example of size..

Maximum size 24 bit 35 mm film images are about:

2400 dpi 3400x2200 pixels 7.5 megapixels 22 MB 
2820 dpi 3800x2600 pixels 9.9 megapixels 30 MB 
4000 dpi 5600x3600 pixels 20 megapixels 60 MB 


"The gift of fantasy has meant more to me than any talent for abstract,
positive thinking". 

                    Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955) US (German-born)
physicist.


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From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
s.kranz1@...
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 11:53 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Re: scanning pics - OFF TOPIC

Never thought of that,...... the pics I'm scanning are mostly 4x6 and 5x7
and mostly shot with 400 speed film.

--
The Golden Rule of Astronomy - "If you own a telescope, you have a moral
obligation to share the view!" - John Dobson

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Jay Manifold" <jaymanifold@...> This isn't really an
answer, but ...

Depends on film speed, which determines graininess, and print size. A
picture of the Moon, for example, could use relatively slow, fine- grained
film, while a picture of some low-density deep-sky object, like M33, might
use much faster, grainier film.

A larger print might be OK to scan at lower resolution than a small print.

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Kranz" <s.kranz1@...> wrote:
>
> Sorry, a bit off-topic, but I know many of you scan astro-photos you 
> took in the "old days" with a 35mm camera.
> 
> How high of resolution is the top before a higher resolution gives
no 
> benefit?
> 
> I've scanned a couple pics at both 900dpi and 1200dpi and notice no 
> difference (except a larger file size and image size).
> 
> So basically, what is the resolution, or dpi, of a 35mm picture?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> -Scott
>


 

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Yahoo! Groups Links

Scott,

Do you intend to print them, or just to view them on a
computer monitor? If it's the latter, then a relatively
low resolution will suffice. A typical monitor displays
at 72 or 75 dpi, so the use of a much higher resolution
than that will not show a noticeable difference. If you
plan to print them out, or zoom up on the images for a
closer look, then the higher the resolution, the better.

-JC


--- Scott Kranz wrote:
> ...
> How high of resolution is the top before a higher
> resolution gives no benefit?
> ...
> Thanks!
> 
> -Scott

 This link may help:
 
http://pic.templetons.com/brad/photo/pixels.html
 
-Dave Dembinski
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: s.kranz1@...
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Re: scanning pics - OFF TOPIC


Never thought of that,...... the pics I'm scanning are mostly 4x6 and 5x7 and 
mostly shot with 400 speed film.

--
The Golden Rule of Astronomy - “If you own a telescope, you have a moral 
obligation to share the view!� - John Dobson

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: "Jay Manifold" <jaymanifold@earthlink.net> 
This isn't really an answer, but ...

Depends on film speed, which determines graininess, and print size. A 
picture of the Moon, for example, could use relatively slow, fine-
grained film, while a picture of some low-density deep-sky object, 
like M33, might use much faster, grainier film.

A larger print might be OK to scan at lower resolution than a small 
print.

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Kranz" <s.kranz1@...> wrote:
>
> Sorry, a bit off-topic, but I know many of you scan astro-photos you 
> took in the "old days" with a 35mm camera.
> 
> How high of resolution is the top before a higher resolution gives 
no 
> benefit?
> 
> I've scanned a couple pics at both 900dpi and 1200dpi and notice no 
> difference (except a larger file size and image size).
> 
> So basically, what is the resolution, or dpi, of a 35mm picture?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> -Scott
>


 

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straight.  I miss Dr. Springer.  Love Karen  Rice


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Scott:  You've got a lot of good answers from various people to your 
question, and the url Dave Dembinski gave is an excellent primer for 
understanding resolution.

Since you are scanning prints rather than film, re-read the part on 
print scanning in that url.  There is quite a bit of detail lost when a 
negative or slide is printed.  I've scanned lots of prints, mainly old 
family photos.  At the time I did this, I scanned most everything at 
600 ppi in jpeg format.  Although the Tif format was available for me 
to use, it also meant a very large file, and at that time hard drives 
were small.  The scans are very good, even in jpeg.  I have made 8x10 
prints of small 3x5's scanned photos that show quite a bit of detail.  
More detail than I can see on the 3x5 without a magnifying glass.  I'll 
have to do a test by scanning a print in jpeg versus tiff to see if I 
should re-scan those old prints.

Something that I found out on my own and I haven't read about it 
eslewhere, is that for images that I will be viewing on a monitor, I 
get higher quality images if I scan the print, negative or slide at 
high resolution first, then reduce the resolution to about 96 ppi for 
the monitor.  It seems that there is a better dynamic range going that 
way rather than scanning them at 96 ppi.

Just my 2 bits of info that I've found out playting around with this 
stuff.

Tom Martinez

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Kranz" <s.kranz1@...> wrote:
>
> Sorry, a bit off-topic, but I know many of you scan astro-photos you 
> took in the "old days" with a 35mm camera.
> 
> How high of resolution is the top before a higher resolution gives no 
> benefit?
> 
> I've scanned a couple pics at both 900dpi and 1200dpi and notice no 
> difference (except a larger file size and image size).
> 
> So basically, what is the resolution, or dpi, of a 35mm picture?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> -Scott
>

No comet seen from Council Bluffs, high clouds or thick clouds.  I cut a
black cardboard with two holes the same distance apart as my inter
pupillary distance (PD) to serve as a solar occulting device, and it seems
to help to look near the sun, naked eye, but still no comet.  I hold the
card at arm's length.  One side of the holes is a straight line, sort of an
artificial horizon.  Seems logical.  

Geo.

> [Original Message]
> From: David Young <dyoung8@...>
> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: 1/15/2007 3:03:44 PM
> Subject: [ASKC] Re: comet
>
> Darn clouds. It looks like we might have a few small breaks in the clouds
> later today to make an attempt to see the comet.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Last night I noticed the photo of comet McNaught's tail sticking above 
the horizon on Spaceweather.com.  I went to bed thinking, wow, that's a 
neat photo, but then I woke up this morning thinking about that same 
photo, and it seemed rather strange considering that from our 
perspective, the tail of the comet has rotated counter-clockwise as it 
rounded the sun.  As the sun sets in the west at our latitude, the 
comet is to the left of the sun and the tail is pointing to the left of 
the comet, which is why we can't see the comet and we have to go way 
south to see it.  To make sure of this, I ran my planetarium program, 
Starry Night Pro, and sure enough, that's what it shows.

So, I thought, how can anyone see and take a picture of the comet's 
tail from Colorado?  Is this a fake, or am I missing something?

The answer I think is in the photo at skytonight.com  The gas tail is 
pointing straight left, but the dust tail is curving 90 degrees around 
the sun.  Amazing!

Tom Martinez

Scott, if you do this you will start an annual HOA Messier Marathon at the
DSS, which is probably a good thing.  And you will be appointed the
chairperson, responsible for the whole thing.  Great idea, Scott!   The
new, improved HOAMM!  Put me down for two.

George


> [Original Message]
> From: Scott Kranz <s.kranz1@...>
> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: 1/18/2007 9:13:31 AM
> Subject: [ASKC] Messier Marathon party
>
> At the last Board Meeting, we talked a little bit about inviting the 
> Mid-States Region to our Dark Sky Site for the Messier Marathon.
>
> I was wondering......  Should I say that interested people should 
> contact me for directions, or should I put out directions and info on 
> the Mid-States group for anyone to see????  I suppose it doesn't 
> really matter because if they go to the ASKC web site on the Dark 
> Skies link, they can get our location through the Clear Sky Clock.
>
> Was there going to be food served Friday and/or Saturday nights?
>
> Any other activities that should be advertised?
>
> -scott
>
>
>
>
>
>  
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

The published resolving power of Kodak film is in the range of 80-320 lines
per mm.  If you are using good lenses and tripod, etc, your neg or slide
should approach that.  The prints you get back from Walmart is not going to
be near that, regardless of the negative.  I'd say more like 20 lpmm if you
are lucky.  Probably 10pmm. 

320 lpmm  (TechPan B&W) would be = to over 8000 lpi.  Average film is
listed at around 100-120 lpmm, or 2800 lpi.  

George    


> [Original Message]
> From: tom_j_martinez <zenitrammot@...>
> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: 1/18/2007 4:52:37 PM
> Subject: [ASKC] Re: scanning pics - OFF TOPIC
>
> Scott:  You've got a lot of good answers from various people to your 
> question, and the url Dave Dembinski gave is an excellent primer for 
> understanding resolution.
>
> Since you are scanning prints rather than film, re-read the part on 
> print scanning in that url.  There is quite a bit of detail lost when a 
> negative or slide is printed.  I've scanned lots of prints, mainly old 
> family photos.  At the time I did this, I scanned most everything at 
> 600 ppi in jpeg format.  Although the Tif format was available for me 
> to use, it also meant a very large file, and at that time hard drives 
> were small.  The scans are very good, even in jpeg.  I have made 8x10 
> prints of small 3x5's scanned photos that show quite a bit of detail.  
> More detail than I can see on the 3x5 without a magnifying glass.  I'll 
> have to do a test by scanning a print in jpeg versus tiff to see if I 
> should re-scan those old prints.
>
> Something that I found out on my own and I haven't read about it 
> eslewhere, is that for images that I will be viewing on a monitor, I 
> get higher quality images if I scan the print, negative or slide at 
> high resolution first, then reduce the resolution to about 96 ppi for 
> the monitor.  It seems that there is a better dynamic range going that 
> way rather than scanning them at 96 ppi.
>
> Just my 2 bits of info that I've found out playting around with this 
> stuff.
>
> Tom Martinez
>
> --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Kranz" <s.kranz1@...> wrote:
> >
> > Sorry, a bit off-topic, but I know many of you scan astro-photos you 
> > took in the "old days" with a 35mm camera.
> > 
> > How high of resolution is the top before a higher resolution gives no 
> > benefit?
> > 
> > I've scanned a couple pics at both 900dpi and 1200dpi and notice no 
> > difference (except a larger file size and image size).
> > 
> > So basically, what is the resolution, or dpi, of a 35mm picture?
> > 
> > Thanks!
> > 
> > -Scott
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

All I get is page not found.

Joel Falk




--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Manifold" <jaymanifold@...> wrote:
>
> I'm definitely up for it ... parking map at 
> http://www2.ku.edu/~univrel/ku_resources/parking_map.pdf.
> 
> Anybody else interested?
> 
> Jay
> 
> --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, Jackie Beucher <m31@> wrote:
> >
> > If a person would decide to go to this, where do you park?   
There 
> used to
> > be a few spots for visitors on the west side of Malott, but that 
> was a few
> > years back.
> > 
> > Jackie B.
> > 
> >   -----Original Message-----
> >   From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com]On 
Behalf 
> Of David
> > Young
> >   Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 10:23 AM
> >   To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> >   Subject: [ASKC] Ashman lecture
> > 
> > 
> >   Dr. Keith Ashman will give a talk on Understanding Galaxy 
> Formation
> > January 19 at 7:30 at 1001 Malott Hall, University of Kansas
> > 
> >   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

Won't be able to make the marathon this spring.Sharon and I will be 
on a cruise ship in the Carribian that week. (17th to the 24th}.
I hate to miss it.

Larry G







--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "George Allen" <geonjod@...> wrote:
>
> Scott, if you do this you will start an annual HOA Messier 
Marathon at the
> DSS, which is probably a good thing.  And you will be appointed the
> chairperson, responsible for the whole thing.  Great idea, 
Scott!   The
> new, improved HOAMM!  Put me down for two.
> 
> George
> 
> 
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Scott Kranz <s.kranz1@...>
> > To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: 1/18/2007 9:13:31 AM
> > Subject: [ASKC] Messier Marathon party
> >
> > At the last Board Meeting, we talked a little bit about inviting 
the 
> > Mid-States Region to our Dark Sky Site for the Messier Marathon.
> >
> > I was wondering......  Should I say that interested people 
should 
> > contact me for directions, or should I put out directions and 
info on 
> > the Mid-States group for anyone to see????  I suppose it doesn't 
> > really matter because if they go to the ASKC web site on the 
Dark 
> > Skies link, they can get our location through the Clear Sky 
Clock.
> >
> > Was there going to be food served Friday and/or Saturday nights?
> >
> > Any other activities that should be advertised?
> >
> > -scott
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>

Oops.  Try http://www.ur.ku.edu/ku_resources/parking_map.pdf -- also, 
Jackie reports: "I printed that map, and just called the parking 
office.   There is a lot behind Summerfield that is 'open' after 5.   
The one right next to Mallott is not 'open' until 7:30, and she 
didn't recommend parking there."

Jay

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "joelhfks" <joelhfks@...> wrote:
>
> All I get is page not found.
> 
> Joel Falk
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Manifold" <jaymanifold@> wrote:
> >
> > I'm definitely up for it ... parking map at 
> > http://www2.ku.edu/~univrel/ku_resources/parking_map.pdf.
> > 
> > Anybody else interested?
> > 
> > Jay
> > 
> > --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, Jackie Beucher <m31@> wrote:
> > >
> > > If a person would decide to go to this, where do you park?   
> There 
> > used to
> > > be a few spots for visitors on the west side of Malott, but 
that 
> > was a few
> > > years back.
> > > 
> > > Jackie B.
> > > 
> > >   -----Original Message-----
> > >   From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com]On 
> Behalf 
> > Of David
> > > Young
> > >   Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 10:23 AM
> > >   To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> > >   Subject: [ASKC] Ashman lecture
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   Dr. Keith Ashman will give a talk on Understanding Galaxy 
> > Formation
> > > January 19 at 7:30 at 1001 Malott Hall, University of Kansas
> > > 
> > >   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   
> > > 
> > > 
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>

I tried again tonight with no luck... too many clouds on the horizon. 
I did get a photo from my friend at the National Observatory in 
Bolivia. Its the rainy season down there, but last night they had a 
break and got their first views of the comet. I have posted the image 
on the front page of www.icstars.com  They were very excited about 
the comet, but like most astronomers, they knew it would bring rain! 
The comet was only visible naked eye for about 13 minutes for them 
and still in a fairly bright sky. There is no hint of the giant dust 
tail shown in the photo Tom refers to. (It possibly would have shown 
up with a longer exposure).

Vic


At 05:10 PM 1/18/2007, you wrote:
>Last night I noticed the photo of comet McNaught's tail sticking above
>the horizon on Spaceweather.com.  I went to bed thinking, wow, that's a
>neat photo, but then I woke up this morning thinking about that same
>photo, and it seemed rather strange considering that from our
>perspective, the tail of the comet has rotated counter-clockwise as it
>rounded the sun.  As the sun sets in the west at our latitude, the
>comet is to the left of the sun and the tail is pointing to the left of
>the comet, which is why we can't see the comet and we have to go way
>south to see it.  To make sure of this, I ran my planetarium program,
>Starry Night Pro, and sure enough, that's what it shows.
>
>So, I thought, how can anyone see and take a picture of the comet's
>tail from Colorado?  Is this a fake, or am I missing something?
>
>The answer I think is in the photo at skytonight.com  The gas tail is
>pointing straight left, but the dust tail is curving 90 degrees around
>the sun.  Amazing!
>
>Tom Martinez
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Vic Winter, Owner
DayStar Filters LLC www.DayStarFilters.com
ICSTARS Astronomy www.icstars.com
StarGarden Foundation - www.StarGardenFoundation.org
Southern Skies Star Party Director - www.sssp.org
NASA/JPL Solar System Ambassador

Thank you for the response guys.  We will plan on Sat around 10am.

I may be a little late (work  ughhh)but will be there myself.

Let's get this thing done and start observing!

Kurt




--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Wright" <jswright@...> wrote:
>
> Kurt asked that I post a message about this weekend.
> 
> Given the weather is forecasted to improve this weekend, there is 
a 
> work party.
> 
> IF WE CAN GET A ENOUGH WORKERS, WE CAN CONTINUE INSTALLATION OF 
THE 
> METAL POSTS IN THE WALL AND CLEAN THE MIRROR.
> 
> Tom Martinez is offering to clean the mirror provided we have the 
> people power.
> 
> We need to get the observatory up and running!  A good cleaning of 
the 
> place would not hurt.
> 
> Please respond.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Joe
>

curious ... why wouldn't it be better if we cleaned the mirror after  we got 
all the work done?
Mike Sterling


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Clear skies,
 
Gary Pittman
 
I'm sending in my favorable comment. How about you?

Jim Roe

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [STLAstronomy] Light Pollution Article - MO DNR
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 02:18:37 -0000
From: Jerry < <mailto:loethenj%40earthlink.net> loethenj@...>
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All,

See Page 15 - Environmental Notes
 <http://www.dnr.mo.gov/magazine/2007-winter.pdf>
http://www.dnr.mo.gov/magazine/2007-winter.pdf (PDF Warning - 8 pages).

I would ask everyone to send an email to  <mailto:moresdnr%40dnr.mo.gov>
moresdnr@... and
mention the article. Several people have been sending emails and the
response from the DNR is encouraging. The more people that take a
minute to say something the more the DNR is likely to notice.

jerry




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--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "kurtheck1" <kurtheck@...> wrote:
>
> Thank you for the response guys.  We will plan on Sat around 10am.
> 
> I may be a little late (work  ughhh)but will be there myself.
> 
> Let's get this thing done and start observing!
> 
> Kurt
> 
I'll be there a little earlier. I want to get things set up and ready
to go so we can hit it hard and heavy and get as much as possilbe
done. I'll also make it a point to examine the drive mechanism again
in case we can't just get a tire of larger diameter. A larger tire
would be too eas so we need to be prepared to alter the drive supports
to allow adjustment. That will be a major undertaking so let's hope
for a bigger tire!

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, mikekansascity@... wrote:
>
> curious ... why wouldn't it be better if we cleaned the mirror after
 we got 
> all the work done?
> Mike Sterling
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
I think we should get it cleaned now while we have the chance and a
willing volunteer. We don't have to put it back in yet. If we get
nothing else done at least we can get the mirror clean. 

I'm not afraid of a snowflake or two. It's not supposed to start
snowing seriously until Saturday night when I plan to be tucked away
inside.

 Tom and others
 that is what I was thinking why we can't see the comet after sunset now.
But we can still see it "sort of." 
The tail is still curving to the North. I did not think about that until I saw a picture from a guy from Colorado on Spaceweather. He  has a nice picture of tail which looks a lot like Comet West's tail that I saw in the morning in North Carolina in 1976. It was quite a beauty.
So possibly we can see the tail when the snowstorms leave for us on Monday.
 
PS Bring all picture of Comet McNaught to the meeting to show off!!
 
Dr.Eric Flescher
 
 

6a. Comet McNaught Tail Photo
    Posted by: "tom_j_martinez" zenitrammot@... tom_j_martinez
    Date: Thu Jan 18, 2007 3:10 pm ((PST))

Last night I noticed the photo of comet McNaught's tail sticking above 
the horizon on Spaceweather.com.  I went to bed thinking, wow, that's a 
neat photo, but then I woke up this morning thinking about that same 
photo, and it seemed rather strange considering that from our 
perspective, the tail of the comet has rotated counter-clockwise as it 
rounded the sun.  As the sun sets in the west at our latitude, the 
comet is to the left of the sun and the tail is pointing to the left of 
the comet, which is why we can't see the comet and we have to go way 
south to see it.  To make sure of this, I ran my planetarium program, 
Starry Night Pro, and sure enough, that's what it shows.

So, I thought, how can anyone see and take a picture of the comet's 
tail from Colorado?  Is this a fake, or am I missing something?

The answer I think is in the photo at skytonight.com  The gas tail is 
pointing straight left, but the dust tail is curving 90 degrees around 
the sun.  Amazing!

Tom Martinez



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6b. Re: Comet McNaught Tail Photo
    Posted by: "Vic Winter" vwinter@... icstars2003
    Date: Thu Jan 18, 2007 8:28 pm ((PST))

I tried again tonight with no luck... too many clouds on the horizon. 
I did get a photo from my friend at the National Observatory in 
Bolivia. Its the rainy season down there, but last night they had a 
break and got their first views of the comet. I have posted the image 
on the front page of www.icstars.com  They were very excited about 
the comet, but like most astronomers, they knew it would bring rain! 
The comet was only visible naked eye for about 13 minutes for them 
and still in a fairly bright sky. There is no hint of the giant dust 
tail shown in the photo Tom refers to. (It possibly would have shown 
up with a longer exposure).

Vic


At 05:10 PM 1/18/2007, you wrote:
>Last night I noticed the photo of comet McNaught's tail sticking above
>the horizon on Spaceweather.com.  I went to bed thinking, wow, that's a
>neat photo, but then I woke up this morning thinking about that same
>photo, and it seemed rather strange considering that from our
>perspective, the tail of the comet has rotated counter-clockwise as it
>rounded the sun.  As the sun sets in the west at our latitude, the
>comet is to the left of the sun and the tail is pointing to the left of
>the comet, which is why we can't see the comet and we have to go way
>south to see it.  To make sure of this, I ran my planetarium program,
>Starry Night Pro, and sure enough, that's what it shows.
>
>So, I thought, how can anyone see and take a picture of the comet's
>tail from Colorado?  Is this a fake, or am I missing something?
>
>The answer I think is in the photo at skytonight.com  The gas tail is
>pointing straight left, but the dust tail is curving 90 degrees around
>the sun.  Amazing!
>
>Tom Martinez
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Vic Winter, Owner
DayStar Filters LLC www.DayStarFilters.com
ICSTARS Astronomy www.icstars.com
StarGarden Foundation - www.StarGardenFoundation.org
Southern Skies Star Party Director - www.sssp.org
NASA/JPL Solar System Ambassador




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7a. Re: Ashman lecture
    Posted by: "joelhfks" joelhfks@... joelhfks
    Date: Thu Jan 18, 2007 3:48 pm ((PST))

All I get is page not found.

Joel Falk




--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Manifold" <jaymanifold@...> wrote:
>
> I'm definitely up for it ... parking map at 
> http://www2.ku.edu/~univrel/ku_resources/parking_map.pdf.
> 
> Anybody else interested?
> 
> Jay
> 
> --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, Jackie Beucher <m31@> wrote:
> >
> > If a person would decide to go to this, where do you park?   
There 
> used to
> > be a few spots for visitors on the west side of Malott, but that 
> was a few
> > years back.
> > 
> > Jackie B.
> > 
> >   -----Original Message-----
> >   From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com]On 
Behalf 
> Of David
> > Young
> >   Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 10:23 AM
> >   To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> >   Subject: [ASKC] Ashman lecture
> > 
> > 
> >   Dr. Keith Ashman will give a talk on Understanding Galaxy 
> Formation
> > January 19 at 7:30 at 1001 Malott Hall, University of Kansas
> > 
> >   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>




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7b. Re: Ashman lecture
    Posted by: "Jay Manifold" jaymanifold@... jay_manifold
    Date: Thu Jan 18, 2007 5:54 pm ((PST))

Oops.  Try http://www.ur.ku.edu/ku_resources/parking_map.pdf -- also, 
Jackie reports: "I printed that map, and just called the parking 
office.   There is a lot behind Summerfield that is 'open' after 5.   
The one right next to Mallott is not 'open' until 7:30, and she 
didn't recommend parking there."

Jay

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "joelhfks" <joelhfks@...> wrote:
>
> All I get is page not found.
> 
> Joel Falk
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Manifold" <jaymanifold@> wrote:
> >
> > I'm definitely up for it ... parking map at 
> > http://www2.ku.edu/~univrel/ku_resources/parking_map.pdf.
> > 
> > Anybody else interested?
> > 
> > Jay
> > 
> > --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, Jackie Beucher <m31@> wrote:
> > >
> > > If a person would decide to go to this, where do you park?   
> There 
> > used to
> > > be a few spots for visitors on the west side of Malott, but 
that 
> > was a few
> > > years back.
> > > 
> > > Jackie B.
> > > 
> > >   -----Original Message-----
> > >   From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com]On 
> Behalf 
> > Of David
> > > Young
> > >   Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 10:23 AM
> > >   To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> > >   Subject: [ASKC] Ashman lecture
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   Dr. Keith Ashman will give a talk on Understanding Galaxy 
> > Formation
> > > January 19 at 7:30 at 1001 Malott Hall, University of Kansas
> > > 
> > >   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   
> > > 
> > > 
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>




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Add one more flake (of snow) to the ball rolling down the side of the
mountain.

 

 

Dick Harshaw

KC, MO

 

"Prediction is very difficult, especially it it's about the future."  --
Niels Bohr

 

  _____  

From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Pittman
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 7:24 AM
To: ASKC
Subject: [ASKC] Check out and comment

 



Clear skies,

Gary Pittman

I'm sending in my favorable comment. How about you?

Jim Roe

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [STLAstronomy] Light Pollution Article - MO DNR
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 02:18:37 -0000
From: Jerry < <mailto:loethenj%40earthlink.net> loethenj@earthlink.
<mailto:loethenj%40earthlink.net> net>
Reply-To: <mailto:STLAstronomy%40yahoogroups.com>
STLAstronomy@ <mailto:STLAstronomy%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
To: <mailto:STLAstronomy%40yahoogroups.com> STLAstronomy@
<mailto:STLAstronomy%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com

All,

See Page 15 - Environmental Notes
<http://www.dnr. <http://www.dnr.mo.gov/magazine/2007-winter.pdf>
mo.gov/magazine/2007-winter.pdf>
http://www.dnr. <http://www.dnr.mo.gov/magazine/2007-winter.pdf>
mo.gov/magazine/2007-winter.pdf (PDF Warning - 8 pages).

I would ask everyone to send an email to <mailto:moresdnr%40dnr.mo.gov>
moresdnr@dnr. <mailto:moresdnr%40dnr.mo.gov> mo.gov and
mention the article. Several people have been sending emails and the
response from the DNR is encouraging. The more people that take a
minute to say something the more the DNR is likely to notice.

jerry

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

David, how early is a little earlier? You name the time and I will be
there. I'm all for getting as early start as possible. 
Darrick

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "dyoung8us" <dyoung8@...> wrote:
>
> --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "kurtheck1" <kurtheck@> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you for the response guys.  We will plan on Sat around 10am.
> > 
> > I may be a little late (work  ughhh)but will be there myself.
> > 
> > Let's get this thing done and start observing!
> > 
> > Kurt
> > 
> I'll be there a little earlier. I want to get things set up and ready
> to go so we can hit it hard and heavy and get as much as possilbe
> done. I'll also make it a point to examine the drive mechanism again
> in case we can't just get a tire of larger diameter. A larger tire
> would be too eas so we need to be prepared to alter the drive supports
> to allow adjustment. That will be a major undertaking so let's hope
> for a bigger tire!
>

His is just a reminder for anyone who thought about going to hear his
talk on Galaxies.

I'm driving up, leaving my house around 6:40 PM.   I have 2 going with
so far, but there is room for more, if you want to go.
Call me at my office, (number below) or on my cell later this afternoon
- 913-522-8799.

If you are driving up yourself, give me a call.  I talked to the parking
police up there and know just the place to park for free.


      Jackie Beucher
    EMJ - Kansas City
       800-821-2500
     Fax: 816-241-3677
Computer Fax: 630-635-4043



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Hi All,

I have a nephew's birthday party to attend at 1:00 on Saturday
afternoon, but I'll be able to arrive early at the observatory to
unlock the gate (here's my opportunity to purchase a propane torch!),
open all the doors and get the heat going.

Wish I could stay later, but I never want to miss the chance to
increase the SPU balance...

Richard Fredrick


--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Wright" <jswright@...> wrote:
>
> Kurt asked that I post a message about this weekend.
> 
> Given the weather is forecasted to improve this weekend, there is a 
> work party.
> 
> IF WE CAN GET A ENOUGH WORKERS, WE CAN CONTINUE INSTALLATION OF THE 
> METAL POSTS IN THE WALL AND CLEAN THE MIRROR.
> 
> Tom Martinez is offering to clean the mirror provided we have the 
> people power.
> 
> We need to get the observatory up and running!  A good cleaning of the 
> place would not hurt.
> 
> Please respond.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Joe
>

I don't know how many of you are in the Comet Chasing e-group, but I 
thought I'd share this posting with you about an observation 
from "down under".

I want to go........!   :(

-Scott
>>>>>>>
Another night in paradise. This comet keeps getting better. I will 
try to describe what I have just seen, using local time rather than 
UT. A weak cold front passed through the day, having clouded us out 
the night before. It cleared the sky completely by the evening. The 
Sun set at 8.30pm. First sighting of the comet was made at about 
9.0pm, some time after Venus had been seen. The tail began to form 
as the sky slowly darkened, becoming wider as it grew. At first it 
had the shape of a curved sword seen previously, but tonight it kept 
growing in width and length until, as the nucleus reached the 
horizon, 10.0pm, it formed a complete arc in the sky. The top of the 
arc brushed Gamma Gruis and the arc finished back at the horizon. At 
and beyond the top of the arc the tail was ten degrees wide. The 
light and dark bars across the tail were a clear feature, slicing 
the tail as if originating from the comet's nucleus, not directly 
along the arc's radius. There was one particularly bright bar 5 
degrees or so to the left of Gamma Gruis, and one similar dark bar a 
smaller distance to the right. These bars were each about one degree 
across. The tail was visible for another hour, the bright bar being 
the last to fade into the horizon haze at 10.55pm.  The nucleus was 
still bright tonight, but not as bright as two nights ago. The tail 
began bright at the nucleus and was barely visible as it rejoined 
the horizon 20 degrees away. Measuring the length of the centre of 
the broad arc described by the tail I get 25 degrees, remember this 
tail is 10 degrees wide for most of its length. We look like having 
a run of clear nights now in the south of Western Australia, and the 
comet is still not into a fully dark sky as it sets.

Regards, Jim Gifford.
Bridgetown, Western Australia

Anyone else having trouble opening the www.dnr.mo.gov document?
Randy
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Gary Pittman 
  To: ASKC 
  Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 7:24 AM
  Subject: [ASKC] Check out and comment




  Clear skies,

  Gary Pittman

  I'm sending in my favorable comment. How about you?

  Jim Roe

  -------- Original Message --------
  Subject: [STLAstronomy] Light Pollution Article - MO DNR
  Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 02:18:37 -0000
  From: Jerry < <mailto:loethenj%40earthlink.net> loethenj@...>
  Reply-To: <mailto:STLAstronomy%40yahoogroups.com>
  STLAstronomy@yahoogroups.com
  To: <mailto:STLAstronomy%40yahoogroups.com> STLAstronomy@yahoogroups.com

  All,

  See Page 15 - Environmental Notes
  <http://www.dnr.mo.gov/magazine/2007-winter.pdf>
  http://www.dnr.mo.gov/magazine/2007-winter.pdf (PDF Warning - 8 pages).

  I would ask everyone to send an email to <mailto:moresdnr%40dnr.mo.gov>
  moresdnr@... and
  mention the article. Several people have been sending emails and the
  response from the DNR is encouraging. The more people that take a
  minute to say something the more the DNR is likely to notice.

  jerry

  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



   

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

    I was able to open the file. Nice article. Thanks for the heads up.
Randy
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Gary Pittman 
  To: ASKC 
  Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 7:24 AM
  Subject: [ASKC] Check out and comment




  Clear skies,

  Gary Pittman

  I'm sending in my favorable comment. How about you?

  Jim Roe

  -------- Original Message --------
  Subject: [STLAstronomy] Light Pollution Article - MO DNR
  Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 02:18:37 -0000
  From: Jerry < <mailto:loethenj%40earthlink.net> loethenj@...>
  Reply-To: <mailto:STLAstronomy%40yahoogroups.com>
  STLAstronomy@yahoogroups.com
  To: <mailto:STLAstronomy%40yahoogroups.com> STLAstronomy@yahoogroups.com

  All,

  See Page 15 - Environmental Notes
  <http://www.dnr.mo.gov/magazine/2007-winter.pdf>
  http://www.dnr.mo.gov/magazine/2007-winter.pdf (PDF Warning - 8 pages).

  I would ask everyone to send an email to <mailto:moresdnr%40dnr.mo.gov>
  moresdnr@... and
  mention the article. Several people have been sending emails and the
  response from the DNR is encouraging. The more people that take a
  minute to say something the more the DNR is likely to notice.

  jerry

  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



   

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The  DNR is fast on the email...
 
-dave
  _____  

From: Philip Tremblay [mailto:philip.tremblay@...] 
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 11:15 AM
To: David
Subject: light pollution



Thanks very much for your comments! If space allows, and you don't mind, we
may be able to publish a selection of the positive responses we have
received in a future issue. 
Having grown up in the northwoods of Wisconsin, I didn't realize, until I
moved south, that many people were unable to see the night sky. I hope the
increased awareness and public support can encourage our decision makers to
consider the protection of the night sky -- another natural resource. 

Philip J. Tremblay

Public Information Coordinator
Assistant Editor, Missouri Resources
Missouri Department of Natural Resources
(573) 751-7629



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--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Darrick" <earthdude123@...> wrote:
>
> David, how early is a little earlier? You name the time and I will be
> there. I'm all for getting as early start as possible. 
> Darrick

8:30 sound too soon? We'll have breakfast around 7:30 and I should be
ready to leave about 8:00. We can get the plywood taken off the metal
laid out and torches set up. We could even get the dome jacked up and
grind the welds off of the first post we set and torch out the slots.
I'll be picking up some steel flat bar here in Hutchinson on my way
out of town this afternoon so we should be all set for materials. 

Anyone know how long the bolts need to be to bolt all the way through
the plates and the plywood. There's and Orschlen right accross the
street here and they sell bolts and nuts by the pound. I can get a
pound of bolts cheaper than we will pay for one bolt at a regular
hardware store.

I would think three and a half in at least half threaded should take 
care of anything we need.
Larry G







--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "dyoung8us" <dyoung8@...> wrote:
>
> --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Darrick" <earthdude123@> wrote:
> >
> > David, how early is a little earlier? You name the time and I 
will be
> > there. I'm all for getting as early start as possible. 
> > Darrick
> 
> 8:30 sound too soon? We'll have breakfast around 7:30 and I should 
be
> ready to leave about 8:00. We can get the plywood taken off the 
metal
> laid out and torches set up. We could even get the dome jacked up 
and
> grind the welds off of the first post we set and torch out the 
slots.
> I'll be picking up some steel flat bar here in Hutchinson on my way
> out of town this afternoon so we should be all set for materials. 
> 
> Anyone know how long the bolts need to be to bolt all the way 
through
> the plates and the plywood. There's and Orschlen right accross the
> street here and they sell bolts and nuts by the pound. I can get a
> pound of bolts cheaper than we will pay for one bolt at a regular
> hardware store.
>

Do you have Acrobat Reader?

 

 

Dick Harshaw

KC, MO

 

"Prediction is very difficult, especially it it's about the future."  --
Niels Bohr

 

  _____  

From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Randy
Thompson
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 10:05 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Check out and comment

 

Anyone else having trouble opening the www.dnr.mo.gov document?
Randy
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Gary Pittman 
To: ASKC 
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 7:24 AM
Subject: [ASKC] Check out and comment

Clear skies,

Gary Pittman

I'm sending in my favorable comment. How about you?

Jim Roe

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [STLAstronomy] Light Pollution Article - MO DNR
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 02:18:37 -0000
From: Jerry < <mailto:loethenj%40earthlink.net> loethenj@earthlink.
<mailto:loethenj%40earthlink.net> net>
Reply-To: <mailto:STLAstronomy%40yahoogroups.com>
STLAstronomy@ <mailto:STLAstronomy%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
To: <mailto:STLAstronomy%40yahoogroups.com> STLAstronomy@
<mailto:STLAstronomy%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com

All,

See Page 15 - Environmental Notes
<http://www.dnr. <http://www.dnr.mo.gov/magazine/2007-winter.pdf>
mo.gov/magazine/2007-winter.pdf>
http://www.dnr. <http://www.dnr.mo.gov/magazine/2007-winter.pdf>
mo.gov/magazine/2007-winter.pdf (PDF Warning - 8 pages).

I would ask everyone to send an email to <mailto:moresdnr%40dnr.mo.gov>
moresdnr@dnr. <mailto:moresdnr%40dnr.mo.gov> mo.gov and
mention the article. Several people have been sending emails and the
response from the DNR is encouraging. The more people that take a
minute to say something the more the DNR is likely to notice.

jerry

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 



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It works OK in Adobe 7.0 ...

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Randy Thompson" <randiwe269@...> wrote:
>
> Anyone else having trouble opening the www.dnr.mo.gov document?
> Randy
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Gary Pittman 
>   To: ASKC 
>   Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 7:24 AM
>   Subject: [ASKC] Check out and comment
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   Clear skies,
> 
>   Gary Pittman
> 
>   I'm sending in my favorable comment. How about you?
> 
>   Jim Roe
> 
>   -------- Original Message --------
>   Subject: [STLAstronomy] Light Pollution Article - MO DNR
>   Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 02:18:37 -0000
>   From: Jerry < <mailto:loethenj%40earthlink.net> loethenj@...>
>   Reply-To: <mailto:STLAstronomy%40yahoogroups.com>
>   STLAstronomy@yahoogroups.com
>   To: <mailto:STLAstronomy%40yahoogroups.com> 
STLAstronomy@yahoogroups.com
> 
>   All,
> 
>   See Page 15 - Environmental Notes
>   <http://www.dnr.mo.gov/magazine/2007-winter.pdf>
>   http://www.dnr.mo.gov/magazine/2007-winter.pdf (PDF Warning - 8 
pages).
> 
>   I would ask everyone to send an email to <mailto:moresdnr%
40dnr.mo.gov>
>   moresdnr@... and
>   mention the article. Several people have been sending emails and 
the
>   response from the DNR is encouraging. The more people that take a
>   minute to say something the more the DNR is likely to notice.
> 
>   jerry
> 
>   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
> 
> 
>    
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

I love your ideas.  :)  Karen Rice.  :):)


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Works fine with I-E.  
What kind of comments are they looking for?  Any particular subject? 


-------------- Original message from "Jay Manifold" <jaymanifold@...>: -------------- 


> It works OK in Adobe 7.0 ... 
> 
> --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Randy Thompson" wrote: 
> > 
> > Anyone else having trouble opening the www.dnr.mo.gov document? 
> > Randy 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: Gary Pittman 
> > To: ASKC 
> > Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 7:24 AM 
> > Subject: [ASKC] Check out and comment 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Clear skies, 
> > 
> > Gary Pittman 
> > 
> > I'm sending in my favorable comment. How about you? 
> > 
> > Jim Roe 
> > 
> > -------- Original Message -------- 
> > Subject: [STLAstronomy] Light Pollution Article - MO DNR 
> > Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 02:18:37 -0000 
> > From: Jerry < loethenj@...> 
> > Reply-To: 
> > STLAstronomy@yahoogroups.com 
> > To: 
> STLAstronomy@yahoogroups.com 
> > 
> > All, 
> > 
> > See Page 15 - Environmental Notes 
> > 
> > http://www.dnr.mo.gov/magazine/2007-winter.pdf (PDF Warning - 8 
> pages). 
> > 
> > I would ask everyone to send an email to > 40dnr.mo.gov> 
> > moresdnr@... and 
> > mention the article. Several people have been sending emails and 
> the 
> > response from the DNR is encouraging. The more people that take a 
> > minute to say something the more the DNR is likely to notice. 
> > 
> > jerry 
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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> > 
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I'll be there.

Page 15 has a great sidebar article on light pollution.  I sent a positive
comment and had a reply within 30 minutes.  

 

 

Dick Harshaw

KC, MO

 

"Prediction is very difficult, especially it it's about the future."  --
Niels Bohr

 

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From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
dtrent@...
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 1:21 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Re: Check out and comment

 

Works fine with I-E. 
What kind of comments are they looking for? Any particular subject? 

-------------- Original message from "Jay Manifold" <jaymanifold@
<mailto:jaymanifold%40earthlink.net> earthlink.net>: -------------- 

> It works OK in Adobe 7.0 ... 
> 
> --- In ASKC@yahoogroups. <mailto:ASKC%40yahoogroups.com> com, "Randy
Thompson" wrote: 
> > 
> > Anyone else having trouble opening the www.dnr.mo.gov document? 
> > Randy 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: Gary Pittman 
> > To: ASKC 
> > Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 7:24 AM 
> > Subject: [ASKC] Check out and comment 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Clear skies, 
> > 
> > Gary Pittman 
> > 
> > I'm sending in my favorable comment. How about you? 
> > 
> > Jim Roe 
> > 
> > -------- Original Message -------- 
> > Subject: [STLAstronomy] Light Pollution Article - MO DNR 
> > Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 02:18:37 -0000 
> > From: Jerry < loethenj@...> 
> > Reply-To: 
> > STLAstronomy@ <mailto:STLAstronomy%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com 
> > To: 
> STLAstronomy@ <mailto:STLAstronomy%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com 
> > 
> > All, 
> > 
> > See Page 15 - Environmental Notes 
> > 
> > http://www.dnr. <http://www.dnr.mo.gov/magazine/2007-winter.pdf>
mo.gov/magazine/2007-winter.pdf (PDF Warning - 8 
> pages). 
> > 
> > I would ask everyone to send an email to > 40dnr.mo.gov> 
> > moresdnr@... and 
> > mention the article. Several people have been sending emails and 
> the 
> > response from the DNR is encouraging. The more people that take a 
> > minute to say something the more the DNR is likely to notice. 
> > 
> > jerry 
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 
> > 
> > 
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Never mind.  
They already responded to my comments about light pollution.  That was fast or it may be a canned response.  
dt


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> Works fine with I-E. 
> What kind of comments are they looking for? Any particular subject? 
> 
> 
> -------------- Original message from "Jay Manifold" : 
> -------------- 
> 
> 
> > It works OK in Adobe 7.0 ... 
> > 
> > --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Randy Thompson" wrote: 
> > > 
> > > Anyone else having trouble opening the www.dnr.mo.gov document? 
> > > Randy 
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: Gary Pittman 
> > > To: ASKC 
> > > Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 7:24 AM 
> > > Subject: [ASKC] Check out and comment 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Clear skies, 
> > > 
> > > Gary Pittman 
> > > 
> > > I'm sending in my favorable comment. How about you? 
> > > 
> > > Jim Roe 
> > > 
> > > -------- Original Message -------- 
> > > Subject: [STLAstronomy] Light Pollution Article - MO DNR 
> > > Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 02:18:37 -0000 
> > > From: Jerry < loethenj@...> 
> > > Reply-To: 
> > > STLAstronomy@yahoogroups.com 
> > > To: 
> > STLAstronomy@yahoogroups.com 
> > > 
> > > All, 
> > > 
> > > See Page 15 - Environmental Notes 
> > > 
> > > http://www.dnr.mo.gov/magazine/2007-winter.pdf (PDF Warning - 8 
> > pages). 
> > > 
> > > I would ask everyone to send an email to > 40dnr.mo.gov> 
> > > moresdnr@... and 
> > > mention the article. Several people have been sending emails and 
> > the 
> > > response from the DNR is encouraging. The more people that take a 
> > > minute to say something the more the DNR is likely to notice. 
> > > 
> > > jerry 
> > > 
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
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> > > 
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Hey Jay:

I finally got around to trying to put each month on a individual 
sheet.  I usually print to 34"x44".  Try the PDF file in the Files 
area.  It was printed to letter, but it rotated them 90d.

Disclaimer>  User is responsible for verifying dates.

Joe

Scott: I want to go too..... If I had the bucks, I'd by there 
already!  Oh well!

Thanks for the posting from down under.

All we can do is look at the fine photos.

Tom

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Kranz" <s.kranz1@...> wrote:
>
> I don't know how many of you are in the Comet Chasing e-group, but 
I 
> thought I'd share this posting with you about an observation 
> from "down under".
> 
> I want to go........!   :(
> 
> -Scott
> >>>>>>>
> Another night in paradise. This comet keeps getting better. I will 
> try to describe what I have just seen, using local time rather than 
> UT. A weak cold front passed through the day, having clouded us out 
> the night before. It cleared the sky completely by the evening. The 
> Sun set at 8.30pm. First sighting of the comet was made at about 
> 9.0pm, some time after Venus had been seen. The tail began to form 
> as the sky slowly darkened, becoming wider as it grew. At first it 
> had the shape of a curved sword seen previously, but tonight it 
kept 
> growing in width and length until, as the nucleus reached the 
> horizon, 10.0pm, it formed a complete arc in the sky. The top of 
the 
> arc brushed Gamma Gruis and the arc finished back at the horizon. 
At 
> and beyond the top of the arc the tail was ten degrees wide. The 
> light and dark bars across the tail were a clear feature, slicing 
> the tail as if originating from the comet's nucleus, not directly 
> along the arc's radius. There was one particularly bright bar 5 
> degrees or so to the left of Gamma Gruis, and one similar dark bar 
a 
> smaller distance to the right. These bars were each about one 
degree 
> across. The tail was visible for another hour, the bright bar being 
> the last to fade into the horizon haze at 10.55pm.  The nucleus was 
> still bright tonight, but not as bright as two nights ago. The tail 
> began bright at the nucleus and was barely visible as it rejoined 
> the horizon 20 degrees away. Measuring the length of the centre of 
> the broad arc described by the tail I get 25 degrees, remember this 
> tail is 10 degrees wide for most of its length. We look like having 
> a run of clear nights now in the south of Western Australia, and 
the 
> comet is still not into a fully dark sky as it sets.
> 
> Regards, Jim Gifford.
> Bridgetown, Western Australia
>

I printed them all out on a color printer ... edits:

 4 Feb: "Tombough" -> Tombaugh
10 Feb: "1st" quarter Moon -> 3rd
 3 Mar: no mention of total lunar eclipse
 9 Mar: "3rd" quarter Moon; incorrect date
10 Mar: Moon symbol does not indicate 3rd quarter
30 Apr: "Plank" -> Planck
10 May: "1st" quarter Moon -> 3rd
23 May: "3rd" quarter Moon -> 1st
 6 Jun: "JamesMaxwell" -> James Maxwell
21 Jun: "Soltice" -> Solstice
?? Jul: "Delta Meteor" -> Delta what?  When?
28 Aug: "3rd" quarter Moon -> Full
15 Sep: "(13-1618)" -> ???
23 Sep: blue bar across date -> ???
 8 Nov: "Edmond" -> Edmund (optional; I've found it spelled both ways)
14 Dec: "Tyco" -> Tycho
21 Dec: "Soltice" -> Solstice
25 Dec: "Issac" -> Isaac

Overall stylistic notes: scientist names should be either full name 
(when known) or last name only, not a mix.
Autumnal equinox is mentioned, but no vernal equinox.


--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Wright" <jswright@...> wrote:
>
> Hey Jay:
> 
> I finally got around to trying to put each month on a individual 
> sheet.  I usually print to 34"x44".  Try the PDF file in the Files 
> area.  It was printed to letter, but it rotated them 90d.
> 
> Disclaimer>  User is responsible for verifying dates.
> 
> Joe
>

I just sent one to. Lets hope someone is really going to do something :)

-----Original Message-----
From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dick
Harshaw
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 1:29 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ASKC] Re: Check out and comment

Page 15 has a great sidebar article on light pollution.  I sent a positive
comment and had a reply within 30 minutes.  

 

 

Dick Harshaw

KC, MO

 

"Prediction is very difficult, especially it it's about the future."  --
Niels Bohr

 

  _____  

From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
dtrent@...
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 1:21 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Re: Check out and comment

 

Works fine with I-E. 
What kind of comments are they looking for? Any particular subject? 

-------------- Original message from "Jay Manifold" <jaymanifold@
<mailto:jaymanifold%40earthlink.net> earthlink.net>: -------------- 

> It works OK in Adobe 7.0 ... 
> 
> --- In ASKC@yahoogroups. <mailto:ASKC%40yahoogroups.com> com, "Randy
Thompson" wrote: 
> > 
> > Anyone else having trouble opening the www.dnr.mo.gov document? 
> > Randy 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: Gary Pittman 
> > To: ASKC 
> > Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 7:24 AM 
> > Subject: [ASKC] Check out and comment 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Clear skies, 
> > 
> > Gary Pittman 
> > 
> > I'm sending in my favorable comment. How about you? 
> > 
> > Jim Roe 
> > 
> > -------- Original Message -------- 
> > Subject: [STLAstronomy] Light Pollution Article - MO DNR 
> > Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 02:18:37 -0000 
> > From: Jerry < loethenj@...> 
> > Reply-To: 
> > STLAstronomy@ <mailto:STLAstronomy%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com 
> > To: 
> STLAstronomy@ <mailto:STLAstronomy%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com 
> > 
> > All, 
> > 
> > See Page 15 - Environmental Notes 
> > 
> > http://www.dnr. <http://www.dnr.mo.gov/magazine/2007-winter.pdf>
mo.gov/magazine/2007-winter.pdf (PDF Warning - 8 
> pages). 
> > 
> > I would ask everyone to send an email to > 40dnr.mo.gov> 
> > moresdnr@... and 
> > mention the article. Several people have been sending emails and 
> the 
> > response from the DNR is encouraging. The more people that take a 
> > minute to say something the more the DNR is likely to notice. 
> > 
> > jerry 
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 
> > 
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> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links 
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Yahoo! Groups Links

They never really bother me.  I suppose they don't have much business  
being in a science program where aesthetics should be secondary to  
accuracy.  But I think they sometimes add visual interest, a sense of  
motion (when panning}  and film quality when used in sci-fi movies  
and video games.  Like any effect... It is easily over done though.   
I was plenty sick of everything in computer animation being  
reflective  chrome in the late 80's through early 90's.

I for one was glad to see Cosmos again... regardless of then new FX.   
That show still holds up well after all those years.  Sagan was the man.

On Jan 15, 2007, at 2:07 PM, John Cravens wrote:

> I noticed that, too...it is, as you say, a "ghost image",
> or "lens flare", a reflection in the camera's lens. This
> happens with pretty much any very bright light. Can't be
> helped.
>
> Speaking of which...does anyone besides myself think it's
> dumb to show fake lens flares in computer generated space
> images? Every astro documentary now incorporates multiple
> reflections in any illustration that includes a bright star
> or other light source. Why? If you're not using a multiple-
> element lens, why introduce a lens' abberations? Opticians
> have been trying to get rid of these things for centuries,
> hence the development of anti-reflective coatings and such.
>
> This trend seems to have started with Kim Poor's space art
> in the early 1980s. He began including multiple lens flares
> in his paintings, as if the scene is viewed through a lens.
> A novel idea, at the time, but really of no practical value.
> A few years later, a Lens Flare plug-in was developed for
> Photoshop, and everyone jumped on the reflection bandwagon.
> Carl Sagan's Cosmos series, for instance, was recently re-
> done and aired on the Science Channel. The difference? Some
> images that didn't exist in 1980, and phony lens flares.
>
> Please pardon my rant. This is a pet peeve of mine, and I'd
> like to hear others' opinions about it. Rant mode off...
>
> -J.Cravens
>
>
> --- David Dembinski wrote:
>>
>> ...
>> There is an odd "ghost" of the comet 180 degrees from
>> the sun in that animation ... anyone know what it is?
>>
>> -Dave Dembinski
>
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It's a .pdf file that opens when you click on the link. Do you have Adobe
Reader installed on your computer?
 
Clear skies,
 
Gary Pittman
 

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From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Randy
Thompson
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 10:05 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Check out and comment



Anyone else having trouble opening the www.dnr.mo.gov document?
Randy
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Gary Pittman 
To: ASKC 
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 7:24 AM
Subject: [ASKC] Check out and comment

Clear skies,

Gary Pittman

I'm sending in my favorable comment. How about you?

Jim Roe

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [STLAstronomy] Light Pollution Article - MO DNR
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 02:18:37 -0000
From: Jerry < <mailto:loethenj%40earthlink.net> loethenj@earthlink.
<mailto:loethenj%40earthlink.net> net>
Reply-To: <mailto:STLAstronomy%40yahoogroups.com>
STLAstronomy@ <mailto:STLAstronomy%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
To: <mailto:STLAstronomy%40yahoogroups.com> STLAstronomy@
<mailto:STLAstronomy%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com

All,

See Page 15 - Environmental Notes
<http://www.dnr. <http://www.dnr.mo.gov/magazine/2007-winter.pdf>
mo.gov/magazine/2007-winter.pdf>
http://www.dnr. <http://www.dnr.mo.gov/magazine/2007-winter.pdf>
mo.gov/magazine/2007-winter.pdf (PDF Warning - 8 pages).

I would ask everyone to send an email to <mailto:moresdnr%40dnr.mo.gov>
moresdnr@dnr. <mailto:moresdnr%40dnr.mo.gov> mo.gov and
mention the article. Several people have been sending emails and the
response from the DNR is encouraging. The more people that take a
minute to say something the more the DNR is likely to notice.

jerry

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On page 15 there is a nice article about light pollution. They are looking
for comments about that article.
 
Clear skies,
 
Gary Pittman
 

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From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
dtrent@...
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 1:21 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Re: Check out and comment



Works fine with I-E. 
What kind of comments are they looking for? Any particular subject? 

-------------- Original message from "Jay Manifold" <jaymanifold@
<mailto:jaymanifold%40earthlink.net> earthlink.net>: -------------- 

> It works OK in Adobe 7.0 ... 
> 
> --- In ASKC@yahoogroups. <mailto:ASKC%40yahoogroups.com> com, "Randy
Thompson" wrote: 
> > 
> > Anyone else having trouble opening the www.dnr.mo.gov document? 
> > Randy 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: Gary Pittman 
> > To: ASKC 
> > Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 7:24 AM 
> > Subject: [ASKC] Check out and comment 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Clear skies, 
> > 
> > Gary Pittman 
> > 
> > I'm sending in my favorable comment. How about you? 
> > 
> > Jim Roe 
> > 
> > -------- Original Message -------- 
> > Subject: [STLAstronomy] Light Pollution Article - MO DNR 
> > Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 02:18:37 -0000 
> > From: Jerry < loethenj@...> 
> > Reply-To: 
> > STLAstronomy@ <mailto:STLAstronomy%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com 
> > To: 
> STLAstronomy@ <mailto:STLAstronomy%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com 
> > 
> > All, 
> > 
> > See Page 15 - Environmental Notes 
> > 
> > http://www.dnr. <http://www.dnr.mo.gov/magazine/2007-winter.pdf>
mo.gov/magazine/2007-winter.pdf (PDF Warning - 8 
> pages). 
> > 
> > I would ask everyone to send an email to > 40dnr.mo.gov> 
> > moresdnr@... and 
> > mention the article. Several people have been sending emails and 
> the 
> > response from the DNR is encouraging. The more people that take a 
> > minute to say something the more the DNR is likely to notice. 
> > 
> > jerry 
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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I am getting reports that we can see the tail (only) after 1 hour after 
sunset sticking up above the horizon in the   West. I am told if we look closely it 
appears like a faint aurora on the horizon.
Well maybe we will get a chance after the snow etc on Sat and Sunday.

Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), Olathe, KS: Member #2572 IMCA 
(International Meteorite Collectors Association) : E.O.A.S. (Earth, Oceans, Atmosphere 
and Space) Blog -<http://eoas-dreric1kansas.blogspot.com/>:State of Kansas 
Solar System Ambassador: Comet Observers Coordinator- Astronomy   League/ 
Astronomical Society of Kansas, KC, MO-Louisburg,KS: 
http://www.astroleague.org/al/obsclubs/comet/comet.htm: CometObserversAwardALsubscribe@yahoogroups.com - Dr. 
Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), Olathe, KS: State of Kansas Solar System 
Ambassador:Eric's Black Sun Eclipse newsletter
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:Website- http://members.aol.com/kcstarguy/blacksun/eclipse.htm: Satori 
Astronomy Website- 
http://members.aol.com/kcstarguy/satoriastronomy/satoriastronomy.htm
> 
> > Another night in paradise. This comet keeps getting better. I will
> > try to describe what I have just seen, using local time rather than
> > UT. A weak cold front passed through the day, having clouded us out
> > the night before. It cleared the sky completely by the evening. The
> > Sun set at 8.30pm. First sighting of the comet was made at about
> > 9.0pm, some time after Venus had been seen. The tail began to form
> > as the sky slowly darkened, becoming wider as it grew. At first it
> > had the shape of a curved sword seen previously, but tonight it
> kept
> > growing in width and length until, as the nucleus reached the
> > horizon, 10.0pm, it formed a complete arc in the sky. The top of
> the
> > arc brushed Gamma Gruis and the arc finished back at the horizon.
> At
> > and beyond the top of the arc the tail was ten degrees wide. The
> > light and dark bars across the tail were a clear feature, slicing
> > the tail as if originating from the comet's nucleus, not directly
> > along the arc's radius. There was one particularly bright bar 5
> > degrees or so to the left of Gamma Gruis, and one similar dark bar
> a
> > smaller distance to the right. These bars were each about one
> degree
> > across. The tail was visible for another hour, the bright bar being
> > the last to fade into the horizon haze at 10.55pm.  The nucleus was
> > still bright tonight, but not as bright as two nights ago. The tail
> > began bright at the nucleus and was barely visible as it rejoined
> > the horizon 20 degrees away. Measuring the length of the centre of
> > the broad arc described by the tail I get 25 degrees, remember this
> > tail is 10 degrees wide for most of its length. We look like having
> > a run of clear nights now in the south of Western Australia, and
> the
> > comet is still not into a fully dark sky as it sets.
> >
> > Regards, Jim Gifford.
> > Bridgetown, Western Australia
> >
> 
> 



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Yeah, I read it. Nice article. Now if that was on the front page of the KC Star it might get some attention.
Randy
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Gary Pittman 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 8:22 PM
  Subject: RE: [ASKC] Check out and comment


  It's a .pdf file that opens when you click on the link. Do you have Adobe
  Reader installed on your computer?

  Clear skies,

  Gary Pittman


  _____ 

  From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Randy
  Thompson
  Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 10:05 AM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] Check out and comment

  Anyone else having trouble opening the www.dnr.mo.gov document?
  Randy
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Gary Pittman 
  To: ASKC 
  Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 7:24 AM
  Subject: [ASKC] Check out and comment

  Clear skies,

  Gary Pittman

  I'm sending in my favorable comment. How about you?

  Jim Roe

  -------- Original Message --------
  Subject: [STLAstronomy] Light Pollution Article - MO DNR
  Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 02:18:37 -0000
  From: Jerry < <mailto:loethenj%40earthlink.net> loethenj@earthlink.
  <mailto:loethenj%40earthlink.net> net>
  Reply-To: <mailto:STLAstronomy%40yahoogroups.com>
  STLAstronomy@ <mailto:STLAstronomy%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
  To: <mailto:STLAstronomy%40yahoogroups.com> STLAstronomy@
  <mailto:STLAstronomy%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com

  All,

  See Page 15 - Environmental Notes
  <http://www.dnr. <http://www.dnr.mo.gov/magazine/2007-winter.pdf>
  mo.gov/magazine/2007-winter.pdf>
  http://www.dnr. <http://www.dnr.mo.gov/magazine/2007-winter.pdf>
  mo.gov/magazine/2007-winter.pdf (PDF Warning - 8 pages).

  I would ask everyone to send an email to <mailto:moresdnr%40dnr.mo.gov>
  moresdnr@dnr. <mailto:moresdnr%40dnr.mo.gov> mo.gov and
  mention the article. Several people have been sending emails and the
  response from the DNR is encouraging. The more people that take a
  minute to say something the more the DNR is likely to notice.

  jerry

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I picked up 2 1/2" long 1/2" bolts, nuts and washers in Hutch after talking with Joe. He took off from work and went down to Powell today to meet the termite people. He measured 1 7/8" from the top of the steel bracket to the bottom of the plywood. 

I also picked up some 1/4" by 4" flat bar stock to make the bottom plates.

See ya Saturday morning!

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 It is nice to know that someone, even a small town newspaper had some 
information on the Comet McNaught, eventhough it was after the Jan 12 closest 
approach. The Kansas City Star just did not care and feel   it was worth posting 
information about the best comet   of the last 40 years. :(

Comet catches eye of science students
 By Lisa Scheller, News Editor
 Wednesday, January 17, 2007
Currently, Gontesky, who teaches earth science to 160 students, is guiding 
his students through a session on astronomy.
 A couple of weeks ago he learned that a comet -- Comet McNaught -- could be 
seen with the naked eye in the evening sky.
http://www.tonganoxiemirror.com/section/local/story/10221

Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), Olathe, KS: Member #2572 IMCA 
(International Meteorite Collectors Association) : E.O.A.S. (Earth, Oceans, Atmosphere 
and Space) Blog -<http://eoas-dreric1kansas.blogspot.com/>:State of Kansas 
Solar System Ambassador: Comet Observers Coordinator- Astronomy   League/ 
Astronomical Society of Kansas, KC, MO-Louisburg,KS: 
http://www.astroleague.org/al/obsclubs/comet/comet.htm: CometObserversAwardALsubscribe@yahoogroups.com - Dr. 
Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...m), Olathe, KS: State of Kansas Solar System 
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It may be the brightest in 40 years but it's a long way from being the best.

Hale-Bopp, Shoemaker-Levy, Hyakutake and Comet Halley, just to name a few 
were all mucho better.
I've had to downplay this comet with family/friends/neighbors/co-workers 
etc. cuz none of the public I showed it to thought much of it.   It's been 
rather dissapointing for us northern hemispherians...

Rett


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <KCStarguy@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>; <KCStarguy@...>
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 11:28 PM
Subject: [ASKC] Comet catches eye of science student


It is nice to know that someone, even a small town newspaper had some
information on the Comet McNaught, eventhough it was after the Jan 12 
closest
approach. The Kansas City Star just did not care and feel   it was worth 
posting
information about the best comet   of the last 40 years. :(

Dave, I can be there earlier too. What time were you planning on arriving?

 

 

Dick Harshaw

KC, MO

 

"Prediction is very difficult, especially it it's about the future."  --
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From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
dyoung8us
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 7:44 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Re: Powell Work

 

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups. <mailto:ASKC%40yahoogroups.com> com, "kurtheck1"
<kurtheck@...> wrote:
>
> Thank you for the response guys. We will plan on Sat around 10am.
> 
> I may be a little late (work ughhh)but will be there myself.
> 
> Let's get this thing done and start observing!
> 
> Kurt
> 
I'll be there a little earlier. I want to get things set up and ready
to go so we can hit it hard and heavy and get as much as possilbe
done. I'll also make it a point to examine the drive mechanism again
in case we can't just get a tire of larger diameter. A larger tire
would be too eas so we need to be prepared to alter the drive supports
to allow adjustment. That will be a major undertaking so let's hope
for a bigger tire!

 



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Anybody have the "Hubble 15 Years of Discovery" DVD created by the ESA (European Space Agency)?
(Heck, for all; I know the ASKC has this already!)

Their blurb says "Note: the DVD is made in the European PAL format and will most likely not play on non-European DVD players. Computers, however, usually play DVDs in different formats without problem. May be shown in public."

The clips available on the ESA website are interesting. This DVD might be useful for a program or just as a resource. IF it is playable. It is a couple of years old by now, but lots of pretty pictures and science at general audience level. 
http://www.spacetelescope.org/index.html
Look under videos for info and various clips.

This whole website is full of good stuff. Fun to browse on a winter day.

Kathy

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halley's was a bust and the biggest disappointment.Shoemaker-Levy we had to 
see on TV and that was grand. Hale Bopp was great as was West , Ikeya-Zhang. I 
missed Hyakutake ( all I remember is the rain and no one mentioning it). But I 
will enjoy any comet   that comes. But when we have a comet that is bright as 
McNaught it should not be ignored. For those students in the article and the 
others it was still something to see. I thought it was marbelous especially in 
binoculars.
Downplaying the brightest comet in 40 years   is how should I say it "
ridiculous." 
That is my take.sorry

Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), Olathe, KS: Member #2572 IMCA 
(International Meteorite Collectors Association) : E.O.A.S. (Earth, Oceans, Atmosphere 
and Space) Blog -<http://eoas-dreric1kansas.blogspot.com/>:State of Kansas 
Solar System Ambassador: Comet Observers Coordinator- Astronomy   League/ 
Astronomical Society of Kansas, KC, MO-Louisburg,KS: 
http://www.astroleague.org/al/obsclubs/comet/comet.htm: CometObserversAwardALsubscribe@yahoogroups.com - Dr. 
Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), Olathe, KS: State of Kansas Solar System 
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> 
> 6b. Re: Comet catches eye of science student
>     Posted by: "Rett Alonzi" ralonzi@... ralonzi
>     Date: Fri Jan 19, 2007 10:28 pm ((PST))
> 
> It may be the brightest in 40 years but it's a long way from being the best.
> 
> Hale-Bopp, Shoemaker-Levy, Hyakutake and Comet Halley, just to name a few
> were all mucho better.
> I've had to downplay this comet with family/friends/neighbors/co-workers
> etc. cuz none of the public I showed it to thought much of it.   It's been
> rather dissapointing for us northern hemispherians...
> 
> Rett
> 
> 



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 Photo in the News: Superbright Comet , may damage eyes
By pagey
Going blind isn't usually a worry when watching for comets passing near 
Earth. But that's what astronomers say could happen if people aren't careful when 
they scan the skies for a glimpse of comet McNaught. Channel: Science Tags: 
comet ...
Netscape.com Science Stories - http://www.netscape.com

Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), Olathe, KS: Member #2572 IMCA 
(International Meteorite Collectors Association) : E.O.A.S. (Earth, Oceans, Atmosphere 
and Space) Blog -<http://eoas-dreric1kansas.blogspot.com/>:State of Kansas 
Solar System Ambassador: Comet Observers Coordinator- Astronomy   League/ 
Astronomical Society of Kansas, KC, MO-Louisburg,KS: 
http://www.astroleague.org/al/obsclubs/comet/comet.htm: CometObserversAwardALsubscribe@yahoogroups.com - Dr. 
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Greetings 
That is quite a feat. Thanks for sharing the specifics about photographing 
the comet's   tail (below).
Well done.
Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), Olathe,KS
\**

> Hey, that's my shot! I've been visualizing it all week  ;-)
> 
> If there were any justice, Paul Robinson would get credited in
> discussion of the comet's terminus/synchrones.
> 
> Should we be labelling it "Comet McNaught C2006 P1 / Robinson's
> Synchrones?
> 
> I will spare you the obviously lame alternatives, as the title.
> 
> No professional precedent for this event, is there?
> 
> Cheers,
> Dan Laszlo
> Ft Collins
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: someara@...
> To: djlaszlo@...
> Sent: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 1:27 AM
> Subject: Re: Awesome Comet tails
> 
>    Thanks, 
>  
>   I do appreciate you sharing with me the brain behind all this. That's
> great.  . . . 
> BTW: Here is a shot I took tonight with the Moon :-) 
>  
> Steve O' 
> 
>     [Image Removed]
>     
> Stev eO' 
> On Saturday, January 20, 2007, at 08:12 PM, djlaszlo@... wrote: 
>  
> > Wild, eh? We're relieved you got word before the Moon set in! 
> > 
>   > In case you need this for your article about Paul Robinson's >
> "discovery", here is the relevant thread 
> > He's the one with the brain in this operation ;-) Dan 
> > 
> > ======================================================= 
> > 
> > From: torncomet@... 
> > To: front-range-tac@... 
>   > Subject: * FRAC * Comet McNaught's Tail in a dark sky - in >
> COLORADO 
> > Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:29:50 -0800 (PST) 
> > 
> > To all comet enthusiasts, 
> > 
>   > Tonight I managed to pull off an amazing observation: I saw >
> McNaught's tail 
> > sticking up above the western horizon as twilight was ending!!! 
> > 
>   > It looked like a small growth out of the side of the Zodiacal light,
> > with about 
>   > the same surface brightness, and meeting the horizon where it joined
> > into the 
>   > Zodiacal light. It was on the north side and slanted toward the
> upper > RIGHT. I 
>   > know that seems contrary to where the comet is, but the tail lags >
> seriously 
>   > behind the antisolar line, as evidenced dramatically on the SOHO >
> pictures. I 
>   > have attached a diagram showing the stars, the outline of the
> Zodiacal > Light and 
>   > the outline of the tail. There were also a couple striations within
> > the tail, 
> > as marked in the diagram. They looked like faint auroral rays. 
> > 
>   > I observed from a point just off Flagstaff Rd, a couple miles west
> of > Boulder, 
>   > CO, and with a breathtaking view of the Continental Divide. The sky
> > was 
>   > prisine. I had to hike about 100 yds in the snow, but fortunately >
> there was a 
>   > path of previous walkers in the snow, so I was lead to the rocky >
> overlook by the 
> > path. 
> > 
>   > The tail was fairly obvious with averted vision after twilight
> ended, > but the 
>   > striations were only seen ocnly, but very consistently. One main one
> > was 
> > visible, but the southern edge of the tail seemed rather sharp too. 
> > 
> > Wow !, 
> > 
> > Paul 
> > ============================== 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ---- 
> > From: "djlaszlo@..." <djlaszlo@...> 
> > To: front-range-tac@...; club-news@... 
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 8:21:19 PM 
>   > Subject: Re: * FRAC * Comet McNaught's Tail in a dark sky - in
> COLORADO 
> > 
> > Did it look like the attached photo? Thanks for the heads up. This 
> > comet just doesn't quit. 
> > 
> > Image taken north of Wellington CO at 18:30 on 1-17-2007, the 
> > streamers look like a faint distant searchlight beam, or aurora. 
> > 
> > The Zodiacal light is seen in the image. Delphinus is towards the 
> > right margin. 
> > 
> > Photo with Canon 20D, 17mm lens, ISO 1600, 20 sec at F/4 
> > ======================================= 
> > 
> > 
> > From: torncomet@... 
> > To: front-range-tac@... 
>   > Subject: Re: * FRAC * Comet McNaught's Tail in a dark sky - in >
> COLORADO 
> > Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 20:25:16 -0800 (PST) 
> > 
> > Yes!! 
> > 
>   > This is what I saw, but with naked eye, not with so much detail. The
> > location 
> > is just right. 
> > 
> > Great!, 
> > 
> > Paul 
> > ==================================================== 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message----- 
> > From: someara@... 
> > To: NZUBENEL@... 
> > Cc: djlaszlo@... 
> > Sent: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 12:54 PM 
> > Subject: Fwd: Awesome Comet tails 
> > 
>   > Thanks for the alerts you guys,> > Words cannot describe the awesome
> spectacle that I beheld tonight. > Shades of Chesheaux's comet.   
> 

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Carroll Iorg


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Larry stole my line for Marathon.  I will also be on a cruise that 
week.  Hope everyone has and good time this year at the party.
Paul T
--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "larry goode" <lagoode916@...> wrote:
>
> Won't be able to make the marathon this spring.Sharon and I will be 
> on a cruise ship in the Carribian that week. (17th to the 24th}.
> I hate to miss it.
> 
> Larry G
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "George Allen" <geonjod@> wrote:
> >
> > Scott, if you do this you will start an annual HOA Messier 
> Marathon at the
> > DSS, which is probably a good thing.  And you will be appointed 
the
> > chairperson, responsible for the whole thing.  Great idea, 
> Scott!   The
> > new, improved HOAMM!  Put me down for two.
> > 
> > George
> > 
> > 
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: Scott Kranz <s.kranz1@>
> > > To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Date: 1/18/2007 9:13:31 AM
> > > Subject: [ASKC] Messier Marathon party
> > >
> > > At the last Board Meeting, we talked a little bit about 
inviting 
> the 
> > > Mid-States Region to our Dark Sky Site for the Messier Marathon.
> > >
> > > I was wondering......  Should I say that interested people 
> should 
> > > contact me for directions, or should I put out directions and 
> info on 
> > > the Mid-States group for anyone to see????  I suppose it 
doesn't 
> > > really matter because if they go to the ASKC web site on the 
> Dark 
> > > Skies link, they can get our location through the Clear Sky 
> Clock.
> > >
> > > Was there going to be food served Friday and/or Saturday nights?
> > >
> > > Any other activities that should be advertised?
> > >
> > > -scott
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

Thanks to everyone that braved the weather and the road into the 
park yesterday for the work party.

Richard Fredrick
David Young
Randy Thompson
Paul Thompson (no relation to above)
Mitch Glaze
Larry Goode
Gil Machin
Jim Stevens
Tom Martinez
Darrick ?
Dick Harshaw
Dick Trentman
Jay Manifold
Kurt Heckeroth
Mike Sterling
Doug Spalding
Pizza Delivery Girl


We installed more of the steel posts to support the dome and the 
mirror was cleaned.  The mirror looks really great!

If I left someone out, let us know.

Thanks guys.

Joe

I found some of those plasma globes, the little glass globe that has 
the electrical arc that follows your fingers, at Walmart for $5.50 
including tax.  A couple have been spoken for, but I have about 6 more.

If you would like one, let me know.  I can bring them to the meeting 
this Saturday.

Joe

Kathy:

     Received the Hubble DVD for Christmas and it is
outstanding. Will bring it to the General Meeting
Saturday night....................... Bill Boyle
--- Kathy <kmachin@...> wrote:

> Anybody have the "Hubble 15 Years of Discovery" DVD
> created by the ESA (European Space Agency)?
> (Heck, for all; I know the ASKC has this already!)
> 
> Their blurb says "Note: the DVD is made in the
> European PAL format and will most likely not play on
> non-European DVD players. Computers, however,
> usually play DVDs in different formats without
> problem. May be shown in public."
> 
> The clips available on the ESA website are
> interesting. This DVD might be useful for a program
> or just as a resource. IF it is playable. It is a
> couple of years old by now, but lots of pretty
> pictures and science at general audience level. 
> http://www.spacetelescope.org/index.html
> Look under videos for info and various clips.
> 
> This whole website is full of good stuff. Fun to
> browse on a winter day.
> 
> Kathy
> 
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> 
> 



 
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Gil
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Wright" <jswright@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 12:42 PM
Subject: [ASKC] Plasma Globe


>I found some of those plasma globes, the little glass globe that has 
> the electrical arc that follows your fingers, at Walmart for $5.50 
> including tax.  A couple have been spoken for, but I have about 6 more.
> 
> If you would like one, let me know.  I can bring them to the meeting 
> this Saturday.
> 
> Joe
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 

       Darrick ? - - - - - That is Darrick Gray. Good guy and Hard Worker.
Randy


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Joe Wright 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 12:40 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] Thanks


  Thanks to everyone that braved the weather and the road into the 
  park yesterday for the work party.

  Richard Fredrick
  David Young
  Randy Thompson
  Paul Thompson (no relation to above)
  Mitch Glaze
  Larry Goode
  Gil Machin
  Jim Stevens
  Tom Martinez
  Darrick ?
  Dick Harshaw
  Dick Trentman
  Jay Manifold
  Kurt Heckeroth
  Mike Sterling
  Doug Spalding
  Pizza Delivery Girl

  We installed more of the steel posts to support the dome and the 
  mirror was cleaned. The mirror looks really great!

  If I left someone out, let us know.

  Thanks guys.

  Joe



   

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Joe, I would like at least 1 but would take  2 or 3 of them if you have them available.  I checked the store near me and they didn't have them.  dt


-------------- Original message from "Joe Wright" <jswright@...>: -------------- 


> I found some of those plasma globes, the little glass globe that has 
> the electrical arc that follows your fingers, at Walmart for $5.50 
> including tax. A couple have been spoken for, but I have about 6 more. 
> 
> If you would like one, let me know. I can bring them to the meeting 
> this Saturday. 
> 
> Joe 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links 
> 
> 
> 

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Richard Fredrick
David Young
Randy Thompson
Paul Thompson (no relation to above)
Mitch Glaze
Larry Goode
Gil Machin
Jim Stevens
Tom Martinez

I don't know what you mean by that remark. Unless you are pointing out that Paul is not my Father. ;-)
Randy

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Joe Wright 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 12:40 PM
  Subject: [ASKC] Thanks


  Thanks to everyone that braved the weather and the road into the 
  park yesterday for the work party.

  Richard Fredrick
  David Young
  Randy Thompson
  Paul Thompson (no relation to above)
  Mitch Glaze
  Larry Goode
  Gil Machin
  Jim Stevens
  Tom Martinez
  Darrick ?
  Dick Harshaw
  Dick Trentman
  Jay Manifold
  Kurt Heckeroth
  Mike Sterling
  Doug Spalding
  Pizza Delivery Girl

  We installed more of the steel posts to support the dome and the 
  mirror was cleaned. The mirror looks really great!

  If I left someone out, let us know.

  Thanks guys.

  Joe



   

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Joe:

     Still like the idea of using a 3' piece of 10"
drill pipe filled with sand or oil and the bottom
plate welded on top for the revamped pier in the AIC.
The AIC has a budget of $300 and David Young would
donate the 10" drill pipe ; which should not make for
any financial hardships.
                                  Bill Boyle
--- Joe Wright <jswright@...> wrote:

> Bill:
> 
> When we looked at the scope and took things apart,
> we discussed 
> adding legs to the pier.  Since the plates are
> larger and center of 
> the mount is not the center of the base, it is
> offset to the south, 
> we wanted to move the plates to the north so that we
> did not 
> interfere with the enclosure structure.  Special
> attention would be 
> required at the base of the 10" column at the
> concrete base.  Some 
> kind of collar would need to be fabricated to fasten
> the 10" to the 
> 3" at the base.  Also, as you fill the column, you
> change their 
> vibration frequency.  Solid material causes more
> vibration than 
> filling with sand and a viscous fluid (oil).  A
> flange/pipe 
> configuration maybe more applicable.  A flange with
> 8 bolts maybe 
> more practical and the 3" could be abandoned in
> place or removed.  
> The bolts could be anchored using epoxy for
> foundation bolts.  This 
> type of system is acceptable by many codes in place
> of "J" bolts 
> installed during concrete placement.  The only
> external action on the 
> scope is the wind, since the base is an isolated
> unit (no walking 
> inside the scope enclosure).  
> 
> I'll look over the pictures.  It is something to
> look into when the 
> plates are ready and we dry fit things.  I plan to
> get the wedge this 
> weekend.
> 
> I would like Gil or Roger to drill the holes.  They
> have a much 
> better drill press than I.
> 
> Joe
> 
> 
> 



 
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Uh,
Say what?
How much?
Do I get to keep it?
Kathy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "G.W. Machin" <gmachin@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Plasma Globe


> Joe I would like one. I will be in Calf. See Kathy for payment.
> 
> Gil
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Joe Wright" <jswright@...>
> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 12:42 PM
> Subject: [ASKC] Plasma Globe
> 
> 
>>I found some of those plasma globes, the little glass globe that has 
>> the electrical arc that follows your fingers, at Walmart for $5.50 
>> including tax.  A couple have been spoken for, but I have about 6 more.
>> 
>> If you would like one, let me know.  I can bring them to the meeting 
>> this Saturday.
>> 
>> Joe

Joe, I was looking over the sky and was wondering if there is a
setting somewhere for updating its files. I noticed it didn't have
mcnaught listed. Thanks by the way. 

Randy thanks for the comments.

Joe -- I sure would take one!

Jackie

  -----Original Message-----
  From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Kathy
  Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 2:40 PM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] Plasma Globe


  Uh,
  Say what?
  How much?
  Do I get to keep it?
  Kathy

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "G.W. Machin" <gmachin@...>
  To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
  Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 1:14 PM
  Subject: Re: [ASKC] Plasma Globe

  > Joe I would like one. I will be in Calf. See Kathy for payment.
  >
  > Gil
  > ----- Original Message -----
  > From: "Joe Wright" <jswright@...>
  > To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
  > Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 12:42 PM
  > Subject: [ASKC] Plasma Globe
  >
  >
  >>I found some of those plasma globes, the little glass globe that has
  >> the electrical arc that follows your fingers, at Walmart for $5.50
  >> including tax. A couple have been spoken for, but I have about 6 more.
  >>
  >> If you would like one, let me know. I can bring them to the meeting
  >> this Saturday.
  >>
  >> Joe



  


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If the shoe fits Darrick. Keep up the good work!
 
Clear Skies and Smooth Roads
Randy



----- Original Message ----
From: Darrick <earthdude123@...>
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 2:44:59 PM
Subject: [ASKC] The sky

Joe, I was looking over the sky and was wondering if there is a
setting somewhere for updating its files. I noticed it didn't have
mcnaught listed. Thanks by the way. 

Randy thanks for the comments.




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Darrick, do you mean TheSky astronomy software?

 

You can launch directly to a comet update website by clicking Data, then
Comets and Minor Planets.  On the dialog box that appears, click the
"Observable" button in the "On the Web" inset.  You'll find every visible
comet in the solar system listed and TheSky will automatically import the
ephemerids to TheSky.  Then click on Find, then Solar System, then Comets,
and scroll down to find your comet.

 

 

 

Dick Harshaw

KC, MO

 

"Prediction is very difficult, especially it it's about the future."  --
Niels Bohr

 

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From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Darrick
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 2:45 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] The sky

 

Joe, I was looking over the sky and was wondering if there is a
setting somewhere for updating its files. I noticed it didn't have
mcnaught listed. Thanks by the way. 

Randy thanks for the comments.

 



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Thats exactly what I wanted. Thank-you.

Darrick Gray
--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Dick Harshaw" <dwharshaw@...> wrote:
>
> Darrick, do you mean TheSky astronomy software?
> 
>  
> 
> You can launch directly to a comet update website by clicking Data, then
> Comets and Minor Planets.  On the dialog box that appears, click the
> "Observable" button in the "On the Web" inset.  You'll find every
visible
> comet in the solar system listed and TheSky will automatically
import the
> ephemerids to TheSky.  Then click on Find, then Solar System, then
Comets,
> and scroll down to find your comet.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Dick Harshaw
> 
> KC, MO
> 
>  
> 
> "Prediction is very difficult, especially it it's about the future."  --
> Niels Bohr
> 
>  
> 
>   _____  
> 
> From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Darrick
> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 2:45 PM
> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [ASKC] The sky
> 
>  
> 
> Joe, I was looking over the sky and was wondering if there is a
> setting somewhere for updating its files. I noticed it didn't have
> mcnaught listed. Thanks by the way. 
> 
> Randy thanks for the comments.
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Someone does read what I write...hmmmm.

Joe


--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Randy Thompson" <randiwe269@...> wrote:
>
> Richard Fredrick
> David Young
> Randy Thompson
> Paul Thompson (no relation to above)
> Mitch Glaze
> Larry Goode
> Gil Machin
> Jim Stevens
> Tom Martinez
> 
> I don't know what you mean by that remark. Unless you are pointing 
out that Paul is not my Father. ;-)
> Randy
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Joe Wright 
>   To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 12:40 PM
>   Subject: [ASKC] Thanks
> 
> 
>   Thanks to everyone that braved the weather and the road into the 
>   park yesterday for the work party.
> 
>   Richard Fredrick
>   David Young
>   Randy Thompson
>   Paul Thompson (no relation to above)
>   Mitch Glaze
>   Larry Goode
>   Gil Machin
>   Jim Stevens
>   Tom Martinez
>   Darrick ?
>   Dick Harshaw
>   Dick Trentman
>   Jay Manifold
>   Kurt Heckeroth
>   Mike Sterling
>   Doug Spalding
>   Pizza Delivery Girl
> 
>   We installed more of the steel posts to support the dome and the 
>   mirror was cleaned. The mirror looks really great!
> 
>   If I left someone out, let us know.
> 
>   Thanks guys.
> 
>   Joe
> 
> 
> 
>    
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Dude, if anybody knows the setting for updating the sky, get rid of 
the clouds!  ;^)

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Darrick" <earthdude123@...> wrote:
>
> Thats exactly what I wanted. Thank-you.
> 
> Darrick Gray
> --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Dick Harshaw" <dwharshaw@> wrote:
> >
> > Darrick, do you mean TheSky astronomy software?
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > You can launch directly to a comet update website by clicking 
Data, then
> > Comets and Minor Planets.  On the dialog box that appears, click 
the
> > "Observable" button in the "On the Web" inset.  You'll find every
> visible
> > comet in the solar system listed and TheSky will automatically
> import the
> > ephemerids to TheSky.  Then click on Find, then Solar System, then
> Comets,
> > and scroll down to find your comet.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Dick Harshaw
> > 
> > KC, MO
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > "Prediction is very difficult, especially it it's about the 
future."  --
> > Niels Bohr
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >   _____  
> > 
> > From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On 
Behalf Of
> > Darrick
> > Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 2:45 PM
> > To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [ASKC] The sky
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Joe, I was looking over the sky and was wondering if there is a
> > setting somewhere for updating its files. I noticed it didn't have
> > mcnaught listed. Thanks by the way. 
> > 
> > Randy thanks for the comments.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

While there, I took 130 pictures totaling 97.8 MB.  Next steps:

1. I will pick out 8-10 of them that include as many of work party as 
possible and send them, at full resolution, to Marcia Young for 
further winnowing/editing and publishing in the Cosmic Messenger.

2. In his capacity as club historian, Tom Martinez said, "send them 
all."  Tom, if you'll be at the general mtg 1/27, I will bring them 
on a 128 MB memory stick if that's acceptable.

Jay

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Wright" <jswright@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks to everyone that braved the weather and the road into the 
> park yesterday for the work party.
> 
> Richard Fredrick
> David Young
> Randy Thompson
> Paul Thompson (no relation to above)
> Mitch Glaze
> Larry Goode
> Gil Machin
> Jim Stevens
> Tom Martinez
> Darrick ?
> Dick Harshaw
> Dick Trentman
> Jay Manifold
> Kurt Heckeroth
> Mike Sterling
> Doug Spalding
> Pizza Delivery Girl
> 
> 
> We installed more of the steel posts to support the dome and the 
> mirror was cleaned.  The mirror looks really great!
> 
> If I left someone out, let us know.
> 
> Thanks guys.
> 
> Joe
>

Bring one for me Joe. I can always find room for more stuff.
 
Clear skies,
 
Gary Pittman
 

  _____  

From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joe
Wright
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 12:43 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Plasma Globe



I found some of those plasma globes, the little glass globe that has 
the electrical arc that follows your fingers, at Walmart for $5.50 
including tax. A couple have been spoken for, but I have about 6 more.

If you would like one, let me know. I can bring them to the meeting 
this Saturday.

Joe



 


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I would take one if you still have one.


On Jan 21, 2007, at 12:42 PM, Joe Wright wrote:

> I found some of those plasma globes, the little glass globe that has
> the electrical arc that follows your fingers, at Walmart for $5.50
> including tax.  A couple have been spoken for, but I have about 6  
> more.
>
> If you would like one, let me know.  I can bring them to the meeting
> this Saturday.
>
> Joe
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Jay:  I'm hoping to be at the General Meeting.  Thanks for the pics.  
The ASKC thanks you also.

Tom Martinez

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Manifold" <jaymanifold@...> wrote:
>
> While there, I took 130 pictures totaling 97.8 MB.  Next steps:
> 
> 1. I will pick out 8-10 of them that include as many of work party 
as 
> possible and send them, at full resolution, to Marcia Young for 
> further winnowing/editing and publishing in the Cosmic Messenger.
> 
> 2. In his capacity as club historian, Tom Martinez said, "send them 
> all."  Tom, if you'll be at the general mtg 1/27, I will bring them 
> on a 128 MB memory stick if that's acceptable.
> 
> Jay
> 
> --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Wright" <jswright@> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks to everyone that braved the weather and the road into the 
> > park yesterday for the work party.
> > 
> > Richard Fredrick
> > David Young
> > Randy Thompson
> > Paul Thompson (no relation to above)
> > Mitch Glaze
> > Larry Goode
> > Gil Machin
> > Jim Stevens
> > Tom Martinez
> > Darrick ?
> > Dick Harshaw
> > Dick Trentman
> > Jay Manifold
> > Kurt Heckeroth
> > Mike Sterling
> > Doug Spalding
> > Pizza Delivery Girl
> > 
> > 
> > We installed more of the steel posts to support the dome and the 
> > mirror was cleaned.  The mirror looks really great!
> > 
> > If I left someone out, let us know.
> > 
> > Thanks guys.
> > 
> > Joe
> >
>

Joe,
I would like one as well if you still have some available.

Carroll Iorg





  On Jan 21, 2007, at 12:42 PM, Joe Wright wrote:

  > I found some of those plasma globes, the little glass globe that has
  > the electrical arc that follows your fingers, at Walmart for $5.50
  > including tax. A couple have been spoken for, but I have about 6 
  > more.
  >
  > If you would like one, let me know. I can bring them to the meeting
  > this Saturday.
  >
  > Joe
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > Yahoo! Groups Links
  >
  >
  >



   

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CTRL + ALT + Delete, but only with a Mac.

 

 

Dick Harshaw

KC, MO

 

"Prediction is very difficult, especially it it's about the future."  --
Niels Bohr

 

  _____  

From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jay
Manifold
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 5:30 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Re: The sky

 

Dude, if anybody knows the setting for updating the sky, get rid of 
the clouds! ;^)

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups. <mailto:ASKC%40yahoogroups.com> com, "Darrick"
<earthdude123@...> wrote:
>
> Thats exactly what I wanted. Thank-you.
> 
> Darrick Gray
> --- In ASKC@yahoogroups. <mailto:ASKC%40yahoogroups.com> com, "Dick
Harshaw" <dwharshaw@> wrote:
> >
> > Darrick, do you mean TheSky astronomy software?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > You can launch directly to a comet update website by clicking 
Data, then
> > Comets and Minor Planets. On the dialog box that appears, click 
the
> > "Observable" button in the "On the Web" inset. You'll find every
> visible
> > comet in the solar system listed and TheSky will automatically
> import the
> > ephemerids to TheSky. Then click on Find, then Solar System, then
> Comets,
> > and scroll down to find your comet.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Dick Harshaw
> > 
> > KC, MO
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > "Prediction is very difficult, especially it it's about the 
future." --
> > Niels Bohr
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _____ 
> > 
> > From: ASKC@yahoogroups. <mailto:ASKC%40yahoogroups.com> com
[mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups. <mailto:ASKC%40yahoogroups.com> com] On 
Behalf Of
> > Darrick
> > Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 2:45 PM
> > To: ASKC@yahoogroups. <mailto:ASKC%40yahoogroups.com> com
> > Subject: [ASKC] The sky
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Joe, I was looking over the sky and was wondering if there is a
> > setting somewhere for updating its files. I noticed it didn't have
> > mcnaught listed. Thanks by the way. 
> > 
> > Randy thanks for the comments.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

 



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Jim Roe has asked me to inform those who expressed interest in the 
Digital Astro-Imaging Workshop of the following:

The date for the Digital Astro-imaging Workshop is set (February 24, 
2007) and we need folks to register on-line so we know how many are 
coming.  We may need to limit the number to be sure all participants 
have a seat.  Please go to

http://asemonline.org/?m=20070224&cat=19


Click on the "register on-line" link which will take you to a simple 
registration form.  Alternatively, you can get there directly via

http://asemonline.org/register.php

All who expressed interest in our survey will still need to do this 
little step.

Thanks,

Jim Roe

Comet Halley was great for Astronomy. Halley was easily visible in a nighttime sky for a 6 month period.  Comet Halley was photographed, imaged, and observed more than any other comet ever.   Billion and billions and billions of people got to see Comet Halley.  :-)       

Our own ASKC Club, like other clubs, gained a much needed membership surge during this extended period.  Halley mania planted the seed of Astronomy in billions and billions and billions of young kids and their families.  Comet Halley was the first astronomical object seen through a telescope for most of these people, and it will remain a special lifelong memory.  You well know that a persons first comet will always remain special to them.

Rett Alonzi

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: KCStarguy@... 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com ; ralonzi@... 
  Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 1:05 AM
  Subject: halley's was a bust


  halley's was a bust and the biggest disappointment.Shoemaker-Levy we had to see on TV and that was grand. Hale Bopp was great as was West , Ikeya-Zhang. I missed Hyakutake ( all I remember is the rain and no one mentioning it). But I will enjoy any comet  that comes. But when we have a comet that is bright as McNaught it should not be ignored. For those students in the article and the others it was still something to see. I thought it was marbelous 

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This Saturday.  10ish.  

Great turnout yesterday..... I hope that we can get that again this
next  weekend.

We will continue work on the dome and maybe get some work done on the AIC.

Kurt

The 27th is General Meeting night. I will plan to be at Powell at 10a.m.
 
Clear Skies and Smooth Roads
Randy



----- Original Message ----
From: kurtheck1 <kurtheck@...>
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 10:37:26 PM
Subject: [ASKC] Powell --- let's do it again

This Saturday. 10ish. 

Great turnout yesterday... .. I hope that we can get that again this
next weekend.

We will continue work on the dome and maybe get some work done on the AIC.

Kurt




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Folks-good news!  Carl Sagan is not deceased.  He has taken over Rett
Alonzi's body!  Huwah!

 

Billions and billions of kudos, Rett.  Nicely stated.

 

 

Dick Harshaw

KC, MO

 

"Prediction is very difficult, especially it it's about the future."  --
Niels Bohr

 

  _____  

From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rett
Alonzi
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 10:29 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Comet Halley

 

Comet Halley was great for Astronomy. Halley was easily visible in a
nighttime sky for a 6 month period. Comet Halley was photographed, imaged,
and observed more than any other comet ever. Billion and billions and
billions of people got to see Comet Halley. :-) 

Our own ASKC Club, like other clubs, gained a much needed membership surge
during this extended period. Halley mania planted the seed of Astronomy in
billions and billions and billions of young kids and their families. Comet
Halley was the first astronomical object seen through a telescope for most
of these people, and it will remain a special lifelong memory. You well know
that a persons first comet will always remain special to them.

Rett Alonzi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: KCStarguy@aol. <mailto:KCStarguy%40aol.com> com 
To: ASKC@yahoogroups. <mailto:ASKC%40yahoogroups.com> com ;
ralonzi@lvnworth. <mailto:ralonzi%40lvnworth.com> com 
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 1:05 AM
Subject: halley's was a bust

halley's was a bust and the biggest disappointment.Shoemaker-Levy we had to
see on TV and that was grand. Hale Bopp was great as was West , Ikeya-Zhang.
I missed Hyakutake ( all I remember is the rain and no one mentioning it).
But I will enjoy any comet that comes. But when we have a comet that is
bright as McNaught it should not be ignored. For those students in the
article and the others it was still something to see. I thought it was
marbelous 

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Northlanders who want to help (Gil, Mike S., any others)-any way we could
all coordinate and car pool?  I'm willing to drive (can take 3) if the
riders want to chip in a few bux for gas.   Or I'd be willing to ride with
another and contribute to the fuel fund.

 

 

Dick Harshaw

KC, MO

 

"Prediction is very difficult, especially it it's about the future."  --
Niels Bohr

 

  _____  

From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
kurtheck1
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 10:37 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Powell --- let's do it again

 

This Saturday. 10ish. 

Great turnout yesterday..... I hope that we can get that again this
next weekend.

We will continue work on the dome and maybe get some work done on the AIC.

Kurt

 



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For information purposes only at this point. 
The new support system will raise the dome 1/4" higher than the original design. This will mean there will be less friciton on the drive tire. The new support system will also eliminate the height lost from the compression of the plywood ring. These two changes will result in a significant reduction in the friction between the drive tire and support pipe/ring.
 
The existing drive tire is 11" X 3.5". A larger diameter tire is available (11.75" X 3.5") but it uses a 6" wheel instead of the existing 5" wheel. The new tire and wheel is around $32. We would have to have a machine shop cut the hub out of the existing 5" wheel and weld it into the 6" wheel. After the system was tested and working we could spend $60 or $70 to have it filled with foam.

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Sounds like it might work!  dt


-------------- Original message from "David Young" <dyoung8@...>: -------------- 


> For information purposes only at this point. 
> The new support system will raise the dome 1/4" higher than the original design. 
> This will mean there will be less friciton on the drive tire. The new support 
> system will also eliminate the height lost from the compression of the plywood 
> ring. These two changes will result in a significant reduction in the friction 
> between the drive tire and support pipe/ring. 
> 
> The existing drive tire is 11" X 3.5". A larger diameter tire is available 
> (11.75" X 3.5") but it uses a 6" wheel instead of the existing 5" wheel. The new 
> tire and wheel is around $32. We would have to have a machine shop cut the hub 
> out of the existing 5" wheel and weld it into the 6" wheel. After the system was 
> tested and working we could spend $60 or $70 to have it filled with foam. 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links 
> 
> 
> 

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We can just put 3 or 4 pieces of angle iron at the bottom. Weld the top web
to the 10" and drill a hole in the horizontal web so it can be bolted with
anchors to the existing concrete. We would need something to hoist the pipe
into place. The 10" pipe I have is 1/2" wall and too heavy to move around
and hoist by hand.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William Boyle" <lostinspacebill@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Re: pier for 12" scope in AIC


> Joe:
>
>      Still like the idea of using a 3' piece of 10"
> drill pipe filled with sand or oil and the bottom
> plate welded on top for the revamped pier in the AIC.
> The AIC has a budget of $300 and David Young would
> donate the 10" drill pipe ; which should not make for
> any financial hardships.
>                                   Bill Boyle
> --- Joe Wright <jswright@...> wrote:
>
> > Bill:
> >
> > When we looked at the scope and took things apart,
> > we discussed
> > adding legs to the pier.  Since the plates are
> > larger and center of
> > the mount is not the center of the base, it is
> > offset to the south,
> > we wanted to move the plates to the north so that we
> > did not
> > interfere with the enclosure structure.  Special
> > attention would be
> > required at the base of the 10" column at the
> > concrete base.  Some
> > kind of collar would need to be fabricated to fasten
> > the 10" to the
> > 3" at the base.  Also, as you fill the column, you
> > change their
> > vibration frequency.  Solid material causes more
> > vibration than
> > filling with sand and a viscous fluid (oil).  A
> > flange/pipe
> > configuration maybe more applicable.  A flange with
> > 8 bolts maybe
> > more practical and the 3" could be abandoned in
> > place or removed.
> > The bolts could be anchored using epoxy for
> > foundation bolts.  This
> > type of system is acceptable by many codes in place
> > of "J" bolts
> > installed during concrete placement.  The only
> > external action on the
> > scope is the wind, since the base is an isolated
> > unit (no walking
> > inside the scope enclosure).
> >
> > I'll look over the pictures.  It is something to
> > look into when the
> > plates are ready and we dry fit things.  I plan to
> > get the wedge this
> > weekend.
> >
> > I would like Gil or Roger to drill the holes.  They
> > have a much
> > better drill press than I.
> >
> > Joe
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>
>

Just a note that it looks like the weather's going to be really good 
for this (for January, anyway).

Civil twilight ends right at 6 PM.  We'll have Venus low in the WSW 
(and just maybe Mercury as well); 1st-quarter Moon high in the south; 
various NSOs (non-smudgelike objects) including M42 and the Double 
Cluster in Perseus; also M31, etc.

By the end of the event, Saturn will have risen in the east to about 
15° above the horizon.

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Manifold" <jaymanifold@...> wrote:
>
> U.S. Naval Observatory
> Astronomical Applications Department
> 
> Sun and Moon Data for One Day
> The following information is provided for Leawood, Johnson County, 
> Kansas (longitude W94.6, latitude N39.0): 
> 
>         Thursday 
>         25 January 2007       Central Standard Time          
> 
>                          SUN
>         Begin civil twilight       7:02 a.m.                 
>         Sunrise                    7:31 a.m.                 
>         Sun transit               12:31 p.m.                 
>         Sunset                     5:31 p.m.                 
>         End civil twilight         6:00 p.m.                 
> 
>                          MOON
>         Moonrise                  10:35 a.m. on preceding day
>         Moonset                   12:14 a.m.                 
>         Moonrise                  11:03 a.m.                 
>         Moon transit               6:09 p.m.                 
>         Moonset                    1:28 a.m. on following day
> 
> First quarter Moon on 25 January 2007 at 5:02 p.m. Central Standard 
> Time. 
> 
> --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "David Young" <dyoung8@> wrote:
> >
> > Duh moment. Sometimes I forget Yahoo strips attachments. Here's a 
> copy and
> > paste.
> > 
> > Thank you for your willingness to participate in the Brookwood 
> Elementary
> > Math and Science Night on Thursday, January 25, 2007. Brookwood 
is 
> part of
> > the Shawnee Mission School District and is located at 3411 West 
> 103rd Street
> > (on the South side of 103rd Street in between Mission and Lee 
> Blvd.). The
> > event will be held from 6:00pm-8:00pm. Please plan to arrive by 
> 5:30pm in
> > order to get yourself and your room prepared.
> > 
> > We are planning an exciting night of wonderful events in order to:
> > 
> >   a.. Inspire our school community in the areas of math and 
science,
> >   b.. Illustrate the uses of math and science in our everyday 
> world, and
> >   c.. Impart new math and science information through a variety of
> > experiences.
> > We could not accomplish this goal without you!
> > 
> > In order to make your time with us the most productive and 
> efficient, we
> > would love to help you get organized for this event. Please 
provide 
> us with
> > as much of the following information as possible:
> > 
> >   a.. Logistical Requirements (Tables, chairs, room arrangement, 
> etc.)
> >   b.. Audio/Visual Requirements (extension cords, power supply, 
> etc.)
> >   c.. Number of Parent Volunteers Needed
> >   d.. Contact Information for Presenter (if not addressee)
> > Thank you again for participating in this wonderful event for our 
> school.
> > 
> > Laura Breckenridge Jill Swanberg
> > 
> > 913/648-6429 913/649-7758
> > 
> > breckenridgelb@ jswanberg@
> >
>

Just curious, is anyone else planning to go? I usually run the StarLab for
them. If you are thinking of going, please drop me a note.

I finally reached the scout leader and I cancelled the scout group for Wednesday.

February 16 is the next date on the calendar. I won't be scheduling anything else until Powell is back in action.

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Mr. Young,

I am thinking about it, At this point I do not see why not.
Should be able to confirm by Tuesday night/Wednesday Morning.
Might even try some of that Night Sky Network stuff (from our outreach study
class) on the little folks.


Dave 



-----Original Message-----
From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David
Young
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 11:16 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Re: Fw: Brookwood Math and Science Night - Jan 25th

Just curious, is anyone else planning to go? I usually run the StarLab for
them. If you are thinking of going, please drop me a note.






 
Yahoo! Groups Links

I've had it on my calendar for a while and expect to be there.  Will 
probably just set up my 5" Mak do Moon/planets/bright NSOs as needed.

Jay

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Fox" <sm20@...> wrote:
>
> Mr. Young,
> 
> I am thinking about it, At this point I do not see why not.
> Should be able to confirm by Tuesday night/Wednesday Morning.
> Might even try some of that Night Sky Network stuff (from our 
outreach study
> class) on the little folks.
> 
> 
> Dave 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of David
> Young
> Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 11:16 AM
> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [ASKC] Re: Fw: Brookwood Math and Science Night - Jan 
25th
> 
> Just curious, is anyone else planning to go? I usually run the 
StarLab for
> them. If you are thinking of going, please drop me a note.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>

Don't forget that after Halleymania, there was a glut of nice scopes for
sale cheap.  That's how I got my C14.  
George


> [Original Message]
> From: Rett Alonzi <ralonzi@...>
> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: 1/21/2007 10:29:51 PM
> Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] [ASKC] Comet  Halley
>
> Comet Halley was great for Astronomy. Halley was easily visible in a
nighttime sky for a 6 month period.  Comet Halley was photographed, imaged,
and observed more than any other comet ever.   Billion and billions and
billions of people got to see Comet Halley.  :-)       
>
> Our own ASKC Club, like other clubs, gained a much needed membership
surge during this extended period.  Halley mania planted the seed of
Astronomy in billions and billions and billions of young kids and their
families.  Comet Halley was the first astronomical object seen through a
telescope for most of these people, and it will remain a special lifelong
memory.  You well know that a persons first comet will always remain
special to them.
>
> Rett Alonzi
>
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: KCStarguy@... 
>   To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com ; ralonzi@... 
>   Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 1:05 AM
>   Subject: halley's was a bust
>
>
>   halley's was a bust and the biggest disappointment.Shoemaker-Levy we
had to see on TV and that was grand. Hale Bopp was great as was West ,
Ikeya-Zhang. I missed Hyakutake ( all I remember is the rain and no one
mentioning it). But I will enjoy any comet  that comes. But when we have a
comet that is bright as McNaught it should not be ignored. For those
students in the article and the others it was still something to see. I
thought it was marbelous 
>
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How about movie geniuses showing a darkroom scene, when they are developing
film in a RED light bright enough to read by, or better yet, they still
show a binocular view as two slightly over lapping circles!!!  Does anyone
have a 35mm camera that makes the sounds used to show shutter release?  You
know, the gear grinding sequence followed by a bullwhip snap?  

Now, back in the early days of sci-fi movies, we could forgive them for
rockets sliding along a wire with a propane flame arcing upwards in the
rear, but even in the latest flicks, they have spaceships powering through
a vacuum making a rumbling, bass sound. All observatories have a big
refractor sticking half it's length OUT of the dome slit. Maybe they have
stopped portraying scientists as bumbling idiots as they did in THE THING.
How many times have you seen a movie scene in which the kid was looking
into the wrong end of a Newtonian scope or even the finder while he sees
the rings of Saturn?  

Yessir, Hollywood contains some real hep cats!  OR, they think we are
simpletons.  Yet, they are the most influential group in the nation, very
highly paid, and responsible for most of what the majority of Americans
think they know.  As a culture we are at the mercy of those weirdos in
California, who set the trends and decide what is normal.  Okay, this is
off-topic now.  Sorry.
Geo.


> [Original Message]
> From: James Pageau <james@...>
> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: 1/19/2007 8:13:44 PM
> Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [ASKC] Re: SOHO comet movie -&- lens flares
>
> They never really bother me.  I suppose they don't have much business  
> being in a science program where aesthetics should be secondary to  
> accuracy.  But I think they sometimes add visual interest, a sense of  
> motion (when panning}  and film quality when used in sci-fi movies  
> and video games.  Like any effect... It is easily over done though.   
> I was plenty sick of everything in computer animation being  
> reflective  chrome in the late 80's through early 90's.
>
> I for one was glad to see Cosmos again... regardless of then new FX.   
> That show still holds up well after all those years.  Sagan was the man.
>
> On Jan 15, 2007, at 2:07 PM, John Cravens wrote:
>
> > I noticed that, too...it is, as you say, a "ghost image",
> > or "lens flare", a reflection in the camera's lens. This
> > happens with pretty much any very bright light. Can't be
> > helped.
> >
> > Speaking of which...does anyone besides myself think it's
> > dumb to show fake lens flares in computer generated space
> > images? Every astro documentary now incorporates multiple
> > reflections in any illustration that includes a bright star
> > or other light source. Why? If you're not using a multiple-
> > element lens, why introduce a lens' abberations? Opticians
> > have been trying to get rid of these things for centuries,
> > hence the development of anti-reflective coatings and such.
> >
> > This trend seems to have started with Kim Poor's space art
> > in the early 1980s. He began including multiple lens flares
> > in his paintings, as if the scene is viewed through a lens.
> > A novel idea, at the time, but really of no practical value.
> > A few years later, a Lens Flare plug-in was developed for
> > Photoshop, and everyone jumped on the reflection bandwagon.
> > Carl Sagan's Cosmos series, for instance, was recently re-
> > done and aired on the Science Channel. The difference? Some
> > images that didn't exist in 1980, and phony lens flares.
> >
> > Please pardon my rant. This is a pet peeve of mine, and I'd
> > like to hear others' opinions about it. Rant mode off...
> >
> > -J.Cravens
> >
> >
> > --- David Dembinski wrote:
> >>
> >> ...
> >> There is an odd "ghost" of the comet 180 degrees from
> >> the sun in that animation ... anyone know what it is?
> >>
> >> -Dave Dembinski
> >
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Speaking of Comets-did anyone catch that sci-fi techno-dribble "Deep Impact"
on TV the other night?   I lost count of the astronomical errors in the film
after the first 10 minutes.  

 

 

Dick Harshaw

KC, MO

 

"Cosmologists are often in error, but never in dobut."  -- Lev Landau,
1908-1968

  _____  

From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of George
Allen
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 4:37 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ASKC] Comet Halley

 

Don't forget that after Halleymania, there was a glut of nice scopes for
sale cheap. That's how I got my C14. 
George

> [Original Message]
> From: Rett Alonzi <ralonzi@lvnworth. <mailto:ralonzi%40lvnworth.com> com>
> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups. <mailto:ASKC%40yahoogroups.com> com>
> Date: 1/21/2007 10:29:51 PM
> Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] [ASKC] Comet Halley
>
> Comet Halley was great for Astronomy. Halley was easily visible in a
nighttime sky for a 6 month period. Comet Halley was photographed, imaged,
and observed more than any other comet ever. Billion and billions and
billions of people got to see Comet Halley. :-) 
>
> Our own ASKC Club, like other clubs, gained a much needed membership
surge during this extended period. Halley mania planted the seed of
Astronomy in billions and billions and billions of young kids and their
families. Comet Halley was the first astronomical object seen through a
telescope for most of these people, and it will remain a special lifelong
memory. You well know that a persons first comet will always remain
special to them.
>
> Rett Alonzi
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: KCStarguy@aol. <mailto:KCStarguy%40aol.com> com 
> To: ASKC@yahoogroups. <mailto:ASKC%40yahoogroups.com> com ;
ralonzi@lvnworth. <mailto:ralonzi%40lvnworth.com> com 
> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 1:05 AM
> Subject: halley's was a bust
>
>
> halley's was a bust and the biggest disappointment.Shoemaker-Levy we
had to see on TV and that was grand. Hale Bopp was great as was West ,
Ikeya-Zhang. I missed Hyakutake ( all I remember is the rain and no one
mentioning it). But I will enjoy any comet that comes. But when we have a
comet that is bright as McNaught it should not be ignored. For those
students in the article and the others it was still something to see. I
thought it was marbelous 
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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I will be there.

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "kurtheck1" <kurtheck@...> wrote:
>
> This Saturday.  10ish.  
> 
> Great turnout yesterday..... I hope that we can get that again this
> next  weekend.
> 
> We will continue work on the dome and maybe get some work done on
the AIC.
> 
> Kurt
>

To any who were planning on helping out the Life Christian Academy star
party tonight-

 

I just talked to the teacher and we agreed to postpone the event until the
next 1st quarter lunar window in February (Feb 17-19 or thereabouts).  

 

 

 

 

Dick Harshaw

KC, MO

 

"Cosmologists are often in error, but never in dobut."  -- Lev Landau,
1908-1968

 



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Just for your information, this is what I am sending to the MSRAL 
yahoo group.......

>>>>>>>
Hello all!

The Astronomical Society of Kansas City (ASKC) would like to invite 
all members of the Mid-States Region to come join us for our annual 
Messier Marathon at our newly acquired dark sky site.

We usually have about 20-30 ASKC members who come out and make it 
their first observing session for the year.  Participate in the 
Marathon if you like, or just do some observing.  The Marathon is 
fairly informal and not competitive.  We allow GOTO scopes and you 
can combine both nights of observing on one list!  I will hand out 
check-off lists on Friday and Saturday evenings.  Everyone who logs 
at least 1 object will get a certificate.  All we want is for 
everyone to have fun and to get some observing in.  Come for one 
night or for both nights.

The ASKC will be holding the Marathon on March 16-18 at our site 
located about 13 miles west of Butler, Missouri.  For more info on 
the observing location, check out our web site at:  
http://askc.org/darkskysite.htm

We have an outhouse toilet, electricity on the field for telescopes 
and astronomy related equipment, and plenty of room for camping.  
Currently there is a supper planned for both nights.  Last year we 
had hotdogs, hamburgers, chips, and a soda for a couple dollars.  
I'll post more later as dining plans develop.  Or you can bring your 
own food.  No open fires on the ground is our only restriction.  
Butler also has a wide selection of fast-food and sit-down 
restaurants.

As of November 2006, we have 21 clubs in the Mid-States Region.  
There are 53 members currently in this e-group.  I don't know how 
many individual clubs are represented here.  If there are Mid-States 
Region clubs that you know of that are not included in this e-group, 
please pass the word on.  We have room for at least 200 people 
(probably more).

This is also a good chance for you to see what our observing site is 
like before registering for the Heart of America Star Party.  
Registration forms for the star party will be available at the 
Messier Marathon.
>>>>>>>

-scott

2:15

David and Kurt are headed to Powell to continue working on the dome 
wall and ring supports.

If you aren't busy, they could use some help.

Joe

I have finally managed to track down some 4" mirrors. They are being
sold by Discovery Telescopes. Has anyone ever done business with this
outfit or have any information concerning this company and their products?

The individual I spoke with said they might have thirty of these
mirrors. He is going to call me thursday with the details. As of now
they are 4" f5 mirrors that will cost 50 dollars so far. If I were to
order some, would anyone else be interested? I will need 10-12. I
don't know if they are enough of an overstock that if more were
purchased we might get a deal.

Let me know.
Darrick Gray

Darrick, what are you planning to do with those mirrors?
Geo.


> [Original Message]
> From: Darrick <earthdude123@...>
> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: 1/23/2007 4:24:37 PM
> Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] [ASKC] Mirrors
>
> I have finally managed to track down some 4" mirrors. They are being
> sold by Discovery Telescopes. Has anyone ever done business with this
> outfit or have any information concerning this company and their products?
>
> The individual I spoke with said they might have thirty of these
> mirrors. He is going to call me thursday with the details. As of now
> they are 4" f5 mirrors that will cost 50 dollars so far. If I were to
> order some, would anyone else be interested? I will need 10-12. I
> don't know if they are enough of an overstock that if more were
> purchased we might get a deal.
>
> Let me know.
> Darrick Gray
>
>
>
>
>
>  
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Darrik, does the 50.00 include the secondary mirror.








-- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Darrick" <earthdude123@...> wrote:
>
> I have finally managed to track down some 4" mirrors. They are being
> sold by Discovery Telescopes. Has anyone ever done business with this
> outfit or have any information concerning this company and their 
products?
> 
> The individual I spoke with said they might have thirty of these
> mirrors. He is going to call me thursday with the details. As of now
> they are 4" f5 mirrors that will cost 50 dollars so far. If I were to
> order some, would anyone else be interested? I will need 10-12. I
> don't know if they are enough of an overstock that if more were
> purchased we might get a deal.
> 
> Let me know.
> Darrick Gray
>

David and I got the fire out and are headed home.

No more worries of termites!

Kurt


--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Wright" <jswright@...> wrote:
>
> 2:15
> 
> David and Kurt are headed to Powell to continue working on the dome 
> wall and ring supports.
> 
> If you aren't busy, they could use some help.
> 
> Joe
>

That's not Funny. We know David better than you do!!
 
Clear Skies and Smooth Roads
Randy



----- Original Message ----
From: kurtheck1 <kurtheck@...>
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 5:45:06 PM
Subject: [ASKC] Re: Powell Work

David and I got the fire out and are headed home.

No more worries of termites!

Kurt

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups. com, "Joe Wright" <jswright@.. .> wrote:
>
> 2:15
> 
> David and Kurt are headed to Powell to continue working on the dome 
> wall and ring supports.
> 
> If you aren't busy, they could use some help.
> 
> Joe
>




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The date for the Digital Astro-imaging Workshop is set (February 24,
2007) and we need folks to register on-line so we know how many are
coming. We may need to limit the number to be sure all participants
have a seat. Please go to

< <http://asemonline.org/?m=20070224&cat=19>
http://asemonline.org/?m=20070224&cat=19>


click on the "register on-line" link which will take you to a simple
registration form. Alternatively, you can get there directly via

< <http://asemonline.org/register.php> http://asemonline.org/register.php>

All who expressed interest in our survey will still need to do this
little step.

Thanks,

Jim Roe



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I'll be there - Re: [ASKC] Re: Fw: Brookwood Math and Science Night - Jan  
25th
Mike Sterling


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Larry, what do think the secondary should be?  Roughly, I figure .75" to
illuminate just over a point.  This blanks out under 10% of the primary and
is about .19% of the width of the primary.  Should make a handy richfield. 
Sort of an enlarged version of the common 4.25" - F4.  A one inch focal
length. EP yields 20x with an exit pupil of 5mm.  This sound about right?  
Geo.


> [Original Message]
> From: larry goode <lagoode916@...>
> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: 1/23/2007 5:48:29 PM
> Subject: [ASKC] Re: Mirrors
>
> Darrik, does the 50.00 include the secondary mirror.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Darrick" <earthdude123@...> wrote:
> >
> > I have finally managed to track down some 4" mirrors. They are being
> > sold by Discovery Telescopes. Has anyone ever done business with this
> > outfit or have any information concerning this company and their 
> products?
> > 
> > The individual I spoke with said they might have thirty of these
> > mirrors. He is going to call me thursday with the details. As of now
> > they are 4" f5 mirrors that will cost 50 dollars so far. If I were to
> > order some, would anyone else be interested? I will need 10-12. I
> > don't know if they are enough of an overstock that if more were
> > purchased we might get a deal.
> > 
> > Let me know.
> > Darrick Gray
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

George and Larry, I am planning on using them as a class project to
make dobs out of them. I am starting a new astronomy class at school
and thought it would be great for the kids to build one. The
individual I talked to mentioned they usually send/use a 1.3 secondary
. I don't know if it is an additional cost or not. Again, I'm going to
talk to him on thursday to get more details. 

The next lowest cost I could find was 169$. That price makes it
unrealistic for my kids to do. I am aware that there are bad products
out there, thus my questioning of the group for input and guidance on
the company and such.

I realize this is a small mirror but I figured if the kids learn
something and get even a reasonable scope out of the deal, it would be
worth it. 

Darrick, if cost is an issue, and is always is, maybe a low, homemade
focuser will do the job.  I have a 4.25"  F4 that I put such a focuser on
and it works okay.  It allows the EP to be very low and therefore a smaller
diagonal (3/4") does the job.  Not only does the smaller diagonal cost less
but it obstructs less, and gives higher contrast.  

Using a 3 inch square of good, clear one inch thick wood, drill a 1.25"
hole in the center with a squared up drill press.  If the EP slips too
much, put a couple layers of Scotch tape thru the hole on one side to
increase the tension.  Add more till it is what you want.  If it is too
tight, sand the hole a bit to make it larger.  Then glue this block over a
hole on top of the tube, which is easiest to make if it is a square, 4
sided tube made of 1/4" plywood. This square tube is also easy to mount in
a Dobsonian base.   This will cut the price of a focuser off the project
and allow the student to have more personal involvement in the scope.  It
is focused by slipping the EP in the hole, so it is important to have the
location of the secondary at the exact, right place.  This sort of scope is
not normally used for anything but low and medium power, so an EP of 
20-28mm is best. A short barlow is the best way to raise the power.  It
also removes some of the coma of the F-5 mirror. 

The focuser block can also be used to anchor a 1/8" brass rod (welding rod)
which is bent at 45 degrees on the end and holding the little secondary
with Pliobond glue.  The end of the rod can be first flattened with a
hammer to give more bonding surface.  There is no need to paint this rod
black as it is seen by the scope in silhouette only.  Bending the rod will
align the mirror.  A screw in the wood block will hold it in place.  Again,
cutting the cost of a spider assembly off the project.  I have owned such a
scope for years and it has given much enjoyment.  A photo of it at Okie-Tex
appeared in Telescope Making magazine a couple of years ago.

Geo.


> [Original Message]
> From: Darrick <earthdude123@...>
> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: 1/23/2007 9:15:03 PM
> Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] [ASKC] Re: Mirrors
>
> George and Larry, I am planning on using them as a class project to
> make dobs out of them. I am starting a new astronomy class at school
> and thought it would be great for the kids to build one. The
> individual I talked to mentioned they usually send/use a 1.3 secondary
> . I don't know if it is an additional cost or not. Again, I'm going to
> talk to him on thursday to get more details. 
>
> The next lowest cost I could find was 169$. That price makes it
> unrealistic for my kids to do. I am aware that there are bad products
> out there, thus my questioning of the group for input and guidance on
> the company and such.
>
> I realize this is a small mirror but I figured if the kids learn
> something and get even a reasonable scope out of the deal, it would be
> worth it. 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

BTW, a 4 inch mirror is NOT a small mirror.  It can open uncountable views
to a good observer if it is in a well designed scope.
Geo.

> [Original Message]
> From: Darrick <earthdude123@...>
> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: 1/23/2007 9:15:03 PM
> Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] [ASKC] Re: Mirrors
>
> George and Larry, I am planning on using them as a class project to
> make dobs out of them. I am starting a new astronomy class at school
> and thought it would be great for the kids to build one. The
> individual I talked to mentioned they usually send/use a 1.3 secondary
> . I don't know if it is an additional cost or not. Again, I'm going to
> talk to him on thursday to get more details. 
>
> The next lowest cost I could find was 169$. That price makes it
> unrealistic for my kids to do. I am aware that there are bad products
> out there, thus my questioning of the group for input and guidance on
> the company and such.
>
> I realize this is a small mirror but I figured if the kids learn
> something and get even a reasonable scope out of the deal, it would be
> worth it. 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Darrick,
Great idea for a meaningful project for young astronomers!  Down the road if this all works out, maybe you would want to consider doing an article for the Reflector, the quarterly publication of the Astronomical League, covering this project.  

Good luck.

Carroll Iorg
Vice President, Astronomical League


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Darrick 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 21:09
  Subject: [ASKC] Re: Mirrors


  George and Larry, I am planning on using them as a class project to
  make dobs out of them. I am starting a new astronomy class at school
  and thought it would be great for the kids to build one. The
  individual I talked to mentioned they usually send/use a 1.3 secondary
  . I don't know if it is an additional cost or not. Again, I'm going to
  talk to him on thursday to get more details. 

  The next lowest cost I could find was 169$. That price makes it
  unrealistic for my kids to do. I am aware that there are bad products
  out there, thus my questioning of the group for input and guidance on
  the company and such.

  I realize this is a small mirror but I figured if the kids learn
  something and get even a reasonable scope out of the deal, it would be
  worth it. 



   

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Rett and all

That might be true of Halley I don't know. But if they did see Halley's and 
missed McNaught they missed a beautiful sight in binoculars or telescope. It is 
too bad we got the short end of the stick (Southern display was better) but I 
will over treasure McNaught and not what I saw when I saw Halley's .

 I don't know   how many people missed McNaught because the short span of 
time before it went South, newspapers did not cover it (USA today, KC Star etc). 
But McNaught now ranks one of the all time greats (see the link below). 
Halley's in 1986 with the all the hype did not.


http://www.spacescan.org/entry/mcnaught-first-daylight-comet-of-the-21st-centu
ry/


Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), Olathe, KS: Member #2572 IMCA 
(International Meteorite Collectors Association) : E.O.A.S. (Earth, Oceans, Atmosphere 
and Space) Blog -<http://eoas-dreric1kansas.blogspot.com/> 
**
3a. Re: Comet  Halley
    Posted by: "George Allen" geonjod@earthlink.net geonjod
    Date: Mon Jan 22, 2007 2:47 pm ((PST))

Don't forget that after Halleymania, there was a glut of nice scopes for
sale cheap.  That's how I got my C14. 
George


> [Original Message]
> From: Rett Alonzi <ralonzi@...>
> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: 1/21/2007 10:29:51 PM
> Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] [ASKC] Comet  Halley
>
> Comet Halley was great for Astronomy. Halley was easily visible in a
nighttime sky for a 6 month period.  Comet Halley was photographed, imaged,
and observed more than any other comet ever.   Billion and billions and
billions of people got to see Comet Halley.  :-)      
>
> Our own ASKC Club, like other clubs, gained a much needed membership
surge during this extended period.  Halley mania planted the seed of
Astronomy in billions and billions and billions of young kids and their
families.  Comet Halley was the first astronomical object seen through a
telescope for most of these people, and it will remain a special lifelong
memory.  You well know that a persons first comet will always remain
special to them.
>
> Rett Alonzi




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----- Original Message ----- 
From: Jill Swanberg 
To: david.eigenberg@... ; ealockar@... ; bethro@... ; Bill Clawson ; lisa4golf@... ; cberna@... ; reptilesupclose@... ; lcrabtree@... ; vswanson@... ; cindyaparks@... ; marsha@... ; dyoung8@... ; vonda.spence@... ; devon.lucie@... ; dcollins@... ; eceule@... ; pbenson@... ; monty.spradling@... ; susan.keeney@... ; tamara.holland@... ; iruffin@... ; beckcdalton@... ; Carissa Barry ; randyw@... 
Cc: breckenridgelb@... 
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 4:15 PM
Subject: REMINDER: Brookwood Math and Science Night - Jan 25th


We are looking forward to a wonderful event for our students and school community!  It would not be possible without the generous support and involvement of each one of our presenters.  Thank you so much for your time and your effort!

Please plan to arrive at the school (3411 West 103rd Street) no later than 5:30pm to get your room set up.  Upon your arrival, you will be greeted by many helpers to assist you in finding your way to your room and to ensure you have everything you need to help you be successful.

Thank you again for supporting a wonderful night of Math and Science!

Laura Breckenridge
913/648-6429
breckenridgelb@...

Jill Swanberg
913/649-7758
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It was just a couple of fires. One was on my tailgate when the cutting oil
from drilling 1/2" holes in steel plate was set on fire by the welding. The
fire in the dome was confined to the propane heater:-)

We have two more posts prepared per the latest design, but not fully installed. It got dark and we got tired. We removed the first two posts and welded small plates to the outside edge so we could drill mounting holes. The angles were too narrow and the outside mounting holes just missed the edge. After the plates were welded on we drilled 4 holes in each of the angle irons. Then we welded nuts to the bottom of the angle iron. Countersunk holes in the wood will allow the angle iron to sit on the top plate. This will allow the roller brackets to be adjusted or removed without opening up the wall to get at the nuts from below.

On Saturday we will need to:
Counter sink the wood on the 270 bracket.
Cut slots in the roller brackets
Locate and install the roller for the 30 degree bracket. 
Prepare and install the remaining 3 posts.

Now that we have the design and method we should be able to get the last 3 posts installed in one day provided we have the same turnout of people as last Saturday.

Does anyone know where the missing roller, shaft and bracket are?

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David,
The last time I saw them was before the first weekend that we looked at the job and Richard and I had installed it at the 30 degree point but had to take it out and we put it back in the closet.  We took it out because it took the weight off the drive wheel.
dt


-------------- Original message from "David Young" <dyoung8@...>: -------------- 


> We have two more posts prepared per the latest design, but not fully installed. 
> It got dark and we got tired. We removed the first two posts and welded small 
> plates to the outside edge so we could drill mounting holes. The angles were too 
> narrow and the outside mounting holes just missed the edge. After the plates 
> were welded on we drilled 4 holes in each of the angle irons. Then we welded 
> nuts to the bottom of the angle iron. Countersunk holes in the wood will allow 
> the angle iron to sit on the top plate. This will allow the roller brackets to 
> be adjusted or removed without opening up the wall to get at the nuts from 
> below. 
> 
> On Saturday we will need to: 
> Counter sink the wood on the 270 bracket. 
> Cut slots in the roller brackets 
> Locate and install the roller for the 30 degree bracket. 
> Prepare and install the remaining 3 posts. 
> 
> Now that we have the design and method we should be able to get the last 3 posts 
> installed in one day provided we have the same turnout of people as last 
> Saturday. 
> 
> Does anyone know where the missing roller, shaft and bracket are? 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links 
> 
> 
> 

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The roller and the parts were in the closet in a brown box about 8" in size.  Bottom shelf I believe.
dt 


-------------- Original message from "David Young" <dyoung8@...>: -------------- 


> We have two more posts prepared per the latest design, but not fully installed. 
> It got dark and we got tired. We removed the first two posts and welded small 
> plates to the outside edge so we could drill mounting holes. The angles were too 
> narrow and the outside mounting holes just missed the edge. After the plates 
> were welded on we drilled 4 holes in each of the angle irons. Then we welded 
> nuts to the bottom of the angle iron. Countersunk holes in the wood will allow 
> the angle iron to sit on the top plate. This will allow the roller brackets to 
> be adjusted or removed without opening up the wall to get at the nuts from 
> below. 
> 
> On Saturday we will need to: 
> Counter sink the wood on the 270 bracket. 
> Cut slots in the roller brackets 
> Locate and install the roller for the 30 degree bracket. 
> Prepare and install the remaining 3 posts. 
> 
> Now that we have the design and method we should be able to get the last 3 posts 
> installed in one day provided we have the same turnout of people as last 
> Saturday. 
> 
> Does anyone know where the missing roller, shaft and bracket are? 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links 
> 
> 
> 

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Darrik,if indeed you go forward with this project give me a call and 
we can mass produce the wood parts for the class members to 
assemble.We should be able to cut all of the parts easily on a rainy 
Saturday

Larry G





--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Carroll Iorg" <Carroll-Iorg@...> wrote:
>
> Darrick,
> Great idea for a meaningful project for young astronomers!  Down 
the road if this all works out, maybe you would want to consider 
doing an article for the Reflector, the quarterly publication of the 
Astronomical League, covering this project.  
> 
> Good luck.
> 
> Carroll Iorg
> Vice President, Astronomical League
> 
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Darrick 
>   To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 21:09
>   Subject: [ASKC] Re: Mirrors
> 
> 
>   George and Larry, I am planning on using them as a class project 
to
>   make dobs out of them. I am starting a new astronomy class at 
school
>   and thought it would be great for the kids to build one. The
>   individual I talked to mentioned they usually send/use a 1.3 
secondary
>   . I don't know if it is an additional cost or not. Again, I'm 
going to
>   talk to him on thursday to get more details. 
> 
>   The next lowest cost I could find was 169$. That price makes it
>   unrealistic for my kids to do. I am aware that there are bad 
products
>   out there, thus my questioning of the group for input and 
guidance on
>   the company and such.
> 
>   I realize this is a small mirror but I figured if the kids learn
>   something and get even a reasonable scope out of the deal, it 
would be
>   worth it. 
> 
> 
> 
>    
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

This is a reminder to all--
We will be starting the Astronomy 101 sessions at 6:00 before General Meetimgs.
That means this coming Saturday Night!!
Neta and Jackie will be conducting the January session on "Getting Started - What’s Up?"
All ASKC members are welcome. We especially want to encourage all newer ASKC members who want to learn about our hobby to attend.

I will get the information below posted to the Yahoo Groups file area later on today.
Astronomy 101 Topics for 2007:

January --How to read a star chart and planisphere, Sky Measurements degrees and estimating distances
 
February--Unaided eye and binocular observing, Evaluating binoculars, Types of objects you can see with unaided eye and binocs
 

March -- Telescopes - type and advantages
 

April --Mounts - type and advantages (aka the axes of evil)
 

May -- What you can see:Types of observations (e.g. planets, comets, globulars, nebulas, galaxies) Constellations – what they are, intro to mythology
 

June --Eyepieces - types and advantages. Calculating field of view and magnification, Finders - types and advantages
 

July -- How to record observations- transparency and seeing, limiting magnitude, Observing Clubs 
 

August -- Astronomy and computers (web sites, discussions about computer programs), Miscellaneous handy gadgetry
 

October --Astrophotography

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Any takers?


Barstow is having their middle school science night on March 7th from 6:30-8:30pm.  Dinner is included if you can set up early.
Barstow is located at 11511 State Line Road.

We have enjoyed the telescopes and hope you and your friends will be able to attend again.

Please let me know.

Diana Abitz


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I still have a stash of 5" pvc well casing that makes great tubes for scopes
with 4 to 4 1/2" mirrors.

 At the meeting, I would really like to know how many  saw the comet ?
 
Can we have a short discussion about comet McNaught at the meeting Sat? 
 
I would like if people who saw the comet can bring  pictures or sketches or videos to show off   at some time during the meeting depending on how and what way this would like fit into the meeting.
 
Thanks
? let me know 
 
Dr. Eric Flescher
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 12:30 PM
Subject: [ASKC] Digest Number 2595


There are 24 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. HOA Messier Marathon - FYI    
    From: Scott Kranz

2a. Powell Work    
    From: Joe Wright
2b. Re: Powell Work    
    From: kurtheck1
2c. Re: Powell Work    
    From: RANDY THOMPSON
2d. Re: Powell Work    
    From: David Young

3a. Mirrors    
    From: Darrick
3b. Re: Mirrors    
    From: George Allen
3c. Re: Mirrors    
    From: larry goode
3d. Re: Mirrors    
    From: George Allen
3e. Re: Mirrors    
    From: Darrick
3f. Re: Mirrors    
    From: George Allen
3g. Re: Mirrors    
    From: George Allen
3h. Re: Mirrors    
    From: Carroll Iorg
3i. Re: Mirrors    
    From: larry goode

4. Digital Astro-Imaging Workshop    
    From: Gary Pittman

5. Re: Fw: Brookwood Math and Science Night - Jan 25th    
    From: mikekansascity@...

6. McNaught now ranks one of the all time greats    
    From: KCStarguy@...

7. Fw: REMINDER: Brookwood Math and Science Night - Jan 25th    
    From: David Young

8a. Powell    
    From: David Young
8b. Re: Powell    
    From: dtrent@...
8c. Re: Powell    
    From: dtrent@...

9. Reminder --Astronomy 101 Saturday    
    From: Kathy

10. Fw: Barstow Science iIght    
    From: David Young

11. Re: Little telescopes    
    From: David Young


Messages
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1. HOA Messier Marathon - FYI
    Posted by: "Scott Kranz" s.kranz1@... stripe1966
    Date: Tue Jan 23, 2007 9:13 am ((PST))

Just for your information, this is what I am sending to the MSRAL 
yahoo group.......

>>>>>>>
Hello all!

The Astronomical Society of Kansas City (ASKC) would like to invite 
all members of the Mid-States Region to come join us for our annual 
Messier Marathon at our newly acquired dark sky site.

We usually have about 20-30 ASKC members who come out and make it 
their first observing session for the year.  Participate in the 
Marathon if you like, or just do some observing.  The Marathon is 
fairly informal and not competitive.  We allow GOTO scopes and you 
can combine both nights of observing on one list!  I will hand out 
check-off lists on Friday and Saturday evenings.  Everyone who logs 
at least 1 object will get a certificate.  All we want is for 
everyone to have fun and to get some observing in.  Come for one 
night or for both nights.

The ASKC will be holding the Marathon on March 16-18 at our site 
located about 13 miles west of Butler, Missouri.  For more info on 
the observing location, check out our web site at:  
http://askc.org/darkskysite.htm

We have an outhouse toilet, electricity on the field for telescopes 
and astronomy related equipment, and plenty of room for camping.  
Currently there is a supper planned for both nights.  Last year we 
had hotdogs, hamburgers, chips, and a soda for a couple dollars.  
I'll post more later as dining plans develop.  Or you can bring your 
own food.  No open fires on the ground is our only restriction.  
Butler also has a wide selection of fast-food and sit-down 
restaurants.

As of November 2006, we have 21 clubs in the Mid-States Region.  
There are 53 members currently in this e-group.  I don't know how 
many individual clubs are represented here.  If there are Mid-States 
Region clubs that you know of that are not included in this e-group, 
please pass the word on.  We have room for at least 200 people 
(probably more).

This is also a good chance for you to see what our observing site is 
like before registering for the Heart of America Star Party.  
Registration forms for the star party will be available at the 
Messier Marathon.
>>>>>>>

-scott



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2a. Powell Work
    Posted by: "Joe Wright" jswright@... joe_astro_2000
    Date: Tue Jan 23, 2007 12:30 pm ((PST))

2:15

David and Kurt are headed to Powell to continue working on the dome 
wall and ring supports.

If you aren't busy, they could use some help.

Joe



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2b. Re: Powell Work
    Posted by: "kurtheck1" kurtheck@... kurtheck1
    Date: Tue Jan 23, 2007 3:48 pm ((PST))

David and I got the fire out and are headed home.

No more worries of termites!

Kurt


--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Wright" <jswright@...> wrote:
>
> 2:15
> 
> David and Kurt are headed to Powell to continue working on the dome 
> wall and ring supports.
> 
> If you aren't busy, they could use some help.
> 
> Joe
>




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2c. Re: Powell Work
    Posted by: "RANDY THOMPSON" randiwe269@... askchdpowell
    Date: Tue Jan 23, 2007 5:10 pm ((PST))

That's not Funny. We know David better than you do!!
 
Clear Skies and Smooth Roads
Randy



----- Original Message ----
From: kurtheck1 <kurtheck@...>
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 5:45:06 PM
Subject: [ASKC] Re: Powell Work

David and I got the fire out and are headed home.

No more worries of termites!

Kurt

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups. com, "Joe Wright" <jswright@.. .> wrote:
>
> 2:15
> 
> David and Kurt are headed to Powell to continue working on the dome 
> wall and ring supports.
> 
> If you aren't busy, they could use some help.
> 
> Joe
>




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2d. Re: Powell Work
    Posted by: "David Young" dyoung8@... dyoung8us
    Date: Tue Jan 23, 2007 9:48 pm ((PST))

It was just a couple of fires. One was on my tailgate when the cutting oil
from drilling 1/2" holes in steel plate was set on fire by the welding. The
fire in the dome was confined to the propane heater:-)




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3a. Mirrors
    Posted by: "Darrick" earthdude123@yahoo.com earthdude123
    Date: Tue Jan 23, 2007 2:24 pm ((PST))

I have finally managed to track down some 4" mirrors. They are being
sold by Discovery Telescopes. Has anyone ever done business with this
outfit or have any information concerning this company and their products?

The individual I spoke with said they might have thirty of these
mirrors. He is going to call me thursday with the details. As of now
they are 4" f5 mirrors that will cost 50 dollars so far. If I were to
order some, would anyone else be interested? I will need 10-12. I
don't know if they are enough of an overstock that if more were
purchased we might get a deal.

Let me know.
Darrick Gray



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3b. Re: Mirrors
    Posted by: "George Allen" geonjod@... geonjod
    Date: Tue Jan 23, 2007 2:31 pm ((PST))

Darrick, what are you planning to do with those mirrors?
Geo.


> [Original Message]
> From: Darrick <earthdude123@...>
> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: 1/23/2007 4:24:37 PM
> Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] [ASKC] Mirrors
>
> I have finally managed to track down some 4" mirrors. They are being
> sold by Discovery Telescopes. Has anyone ever done business with this
> outfit or have any information concerning this company and their products?
>
> The individual I spoke with said they might have thirty of these
> mirrors. He is going to call me thursday with the details. As of now
> they are 4" f5 mirrors that will cost 50 dollars so far. If I were to
> order some, would anyone else be interested? I will need 10-12. I
> don't know if they are enough of an overstock that if more were
> purchased we might get a deal.
>
> Let me know.
> Darrick Gray
>
>
>
>
>
>  
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>





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3c. Re: Mirrors
    Posted by: "larry goode" lagoode916@... lagoode916
    Date: Tue Jan 23, 2007 3:48 pm ((PST))

Darrik, does the 50.00 include the secondary mirror.








-- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Darrick" <earthdude123@...> wrote:
>
> I have finally managed to track down some 4" mirrors. They are being
> sold by Discovery Telescopes. Has anyone ever done business with this
> outfit or have any information concerning this company and their 
products?
> 
> The individual I spoke with said they might have thirty of these
> mirrors. He is going to call me thursday with the details. As of now
> they are 4" f5 mirrors that will cost 50 dollars so far. If I were to
> order some, would anyone else be interested? I will need 10-12. I
> don't know if they are enough of an overstock that if more were
> purchased we might get a deal.
> 
> Let me know.
> Darrick Gray
>




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3d. Re: Mirrors
    Posted by: "George Allen" geonjod@... geonjod
    Date: Tue Jan 23, 2007 6:10 pm ((PST))

Larry, what do think the secondary should be?  Roughly, I figure .75" to
illuminate just over a point.  This blanks out under 10% of the primary and
is about .19% of the width of the primary.  Should make a handy richfield. 
Sort of an enlarged version of the common 4.25" - F4.  A one inch focal
length. EP yields 20x with an exit pupil of 5mm.  This sound about right?  
Geo.


> [Original Message]
> From: larry goode <lagoode916@yahoo.com>
> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: 1/23/2007 5:48:29 PM
> Subject: [ASKC] Re: Mirrors
>
> Darrik, does the 50.00 include the secondary mirror.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Darrick" <earthdude123@...> wrote:
> >
> > I have finally managed to track down some 4" mirrors. They are being
> > sold by Discovery Telescopes. Has anyone ever done business with this
> > outfit or have any information concerning this company and their 
> products?
> > 
> > The individual I spoke with said they might have thirty of these
> > mirrors. He is going to call me thursday with the details. As of now
> > they are 4" f5 mirrors that will cost 50 dollars so far. If I were to
> > order some, would anyone else be interested? I will need 10-12. I
> > don't know if they are enough of an overstock that if more were
> > purchased we might get a deal.
> > 
> > Let me know.
> > Darrick Gray
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>





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3e. Re: Mirrors
    Posted by: "Darrick" earthdude123@... earthdude123
    Date: Tue Jan 23, 2007 7:15 pm ((PST))

George and Larry, I am planning on using them as a class project to
make dobs out of them. I am starting a new astronomy class at school
and thought it would be great for the kids to build one. The
individual I talked to mentioned they usually send/use a 1.3 secondary
. I don't know if it is an additional cost or not. Again, I'm going to
talk to him on thursday to get more details. 

The next lowest cost I could find was 169$. That price makes it
unrealistic for my kids to do. I am aware that there are bad products
out there, thus my questioning of the group for input and guidance on
the company and such.

I realize this is a small mirror but I figured if the kids learn
something and get even a reasonable scope out of the deal, it would be
worth it. 








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3f. Re: Mirrors
    Posted by: "George Allen" geonjod@... geonjod
    Date: Tue Jan 23, 2007 8:00 pm ((PST))

Darrick, if cost is an issue, and is always is, maybe a low, homemade
focuser will do the job.  I have a 4.25"  F4 that I put such a focuser on
and it works okay.  It allows the EP to be very low and therefore a smaller
diagonal (3/4") does the job.  Not only does the smaller diagonal cost less
but it obstructs less, and gives higher contrast.  

Using a 3 inch square of good, clear one inch thick wood, drill a 1.25"
hole in the center with a squared up drill press.  If the EP slips too
much, put a couple layers of Scotch tape thru the hole on one side to
increase the tension.  Add more till it is what you want.  If it is too
tight, sand the hole a bit to make it larger.  Then glue this block over a
hole on top of the tube, which is easiest to make if it is a square, 4
sided tube made of 1/4" plywood. This square tube is also easy to mount in
a Dobsonian base.   This will cut the price of a focuser off the project
and allow the student to have more personal involvement in the scope.  It
is focused by slipping the EP in the hole, so it is important to have the
location of the secondary at the exact, right place.  This sort of scope is
not normally used for anything but low and medium power, so an EP of 
20-28mm is best. A short barlow is the best way to raise the power.  It
also removes some of the coma of the F-5 mirror. 

The focuser block can also be used to anchor a 1/8" brass rod (welding rod)
which is bent at 45 degrees on the end and holding the little secondary
with Pliobond glue.  The end of the rod can be first flattened with a
hammer to give more bonding surface.  There is no need to paint this rod
black as it is seen by the scope in silhouette only.  Bending the rod will
align the mirror.  A screw in the wood block will hold it in place.  Again,
cutting the cost of a spider assembly off the project.  I have owned such a
scope for years and it has given much enjoyment.  A photo of it at Okie-Tex
appeared in Telescope Making magazine a couple of years ago.

Geo.


> [Original Message]
> From: Darrick <earthdude123@...>
> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: 1/23/2007 9:15:03 PM
> Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] [ASKC] Re: Mirrors
>
> George and Larry, I am planning on using them as a class project to
> make dobs out of them. I am starting a new astronomy class at school
> and thought it would be great for the kids to build one. The
> individual I talked to mentioned they usually send/use a 1.3 secondary
> . I don't know if it is an additional cost or not. Again, I'm going to
> talk to him on thursday to get more details. 
>
> The next lowest cost I could find was 169$. That price makes it
> unrealistic for my kids to do. I am aware that there are bad products
> out there, thus my questioning of the group for input and guidance on
> the company and such.
>
> I realize this is a small mirror but I figured if the kids learn
> something and get even a reasonable scope out of the deal, it would be
> worth it. 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>





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3g. Re: Mirrors
    Posted by: "George Allen" geonjod@... geonjod
    Date: Tue Jan 23, 2007 8:02 pm ((PST))

BTW, a 4 inch mirror is NOT a small mirror.  It can open uncountable views
to a good observer if it is in a well designed scope.
Geo.

> [Original Message]
> From: Darrick <earthdude123@...>
> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: 1/23/2007 9:15:03 PM
> Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] [ASKC] Re: Mirrors
>
> George and Larry, I am planning on using them as a class project to
> make dobs out of them. I am starting a new astronomy class at school
> and thought it would be great for the kids to build one. The
> individual I talked to mentioned they usually send/use a 1.3 secondary
> . I don't know if it is an additional cost or not. Again, I'm going to
> talk to him on thursday to get more details. 
>
> The next lowest cost I could find was 169$. That price makes it
> unrealistic for my kids to do. I am aware that there are bad products
> out there, thus my questioning of the group for input and guidance on
> the company and such.
>
> I realize this is a small mirror but I figured if the kids learn
> something and get even a reasonable scope out of the deal, it would be
> worth it. 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>





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3h. Re: Mirrors
    Posted by: "Carroll Iorg" Carroll-Iorg@... ciorg
    Date: Tue Jan 23, 2007 8:57 pm ((PST))

Darrick,
Great idea for a meaningful project for young astronomers!  Down the road if 
this all works out, maybe you would want to consider doing an article for the 
Reflector, the quarterly publication of the Astronomical League, covering this 
project.  

Good luck.

Carroll Iorg
Vice President, Astronomical League


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Darrick 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 21:09
  Subject: [ASKC] Re: Mirrors


  George and Larry, I am planning on using them as a class project to
  make dobs out of them. I am starting a new astronomy class at school
  and thought it would be great for the kids to build one. The
  individual I talked to mentioned they usually send/use a 1.3 secondary
  . I don't know if it is an additional cost or not. Again, I'm going to
  talk to him on thursday to get more details. 

  The next lowest cost I could find was 169$. That price makes it
  unrealistic for my kids to do. I am aware that there are bad products
  out there, thus my questioning of the group for input and guidance on
  the company and such.

  I realize this is a small mirror but I figured if the kids learn
  something and get even a reasonable scope out of the deal, it would be
  worth it. 



   

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3i. Re: Mirrors
    Posted by: "larry goode" lagoode916@... lagoode916
    Date: Wed Jan 24, 2007 8:03 am ((PST))

Darrik,if indeed you go forward with this project give me a call and 
we can mass produce the wood parts for the class members to 
assemble.We should be able to cut all of the parts easily on a rainy 
Saturday

Larry G





--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Carroll Iorg" <Carroll-Iorg@...> wrote:
>
> Darrick,
> Great idea for a meaningful project for young astronomers!  Down 
the road if this all works out, maybe you would want to consider 
doing an article for the Reflector, the quarterly publication of the 
Astronomical League, covering this project.  
> 
> Good luck.
> 
> Carroll Iorg
> Vice President, Astronomical League
> 
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Darrick 
>   To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 21:09
>   Subject: [ASKC] Re: Mirrors
> 
> 
>   George and Larry, I am planning on using them as a class project 
to
>   make dobs out of them. I am starting a new astronomy class at 
school
>   and thought it would be great for the kids to build one. The
>   individual I talked to mentioned they usually send/use a 1.3 
secondary
>   . I don't know if it is an additional cost or not. Again, I'm 
going to
>   talk to him on thursday to get more details. 
> 
>   The next lowest cost I could find was 169$. That price makes it
>   unrealistic for my kids to do. I am aware that there are bad 
products
>   out there, thus my questioning of the group for input and 
guidance on
>   the company and such.
> 
>   I realize this is a small mirror but I figured if the kids learn
>   something and get even a reasonable scope out of the deal, it 
would be
>   worth it. 
> 
> 
> 
>    
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>




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4. Digital Astro-Imaging Workshop
    Posted by: "Gary Pittman" namttip@... deepsky816
    Date: Tue Jan 23, 2007 5:29 pm ((PST))

The date for the Digital Astro-imaging Workshop is set (February 24,
2007) and we need folks to register on-line so we know how many are
coming. We may need to limit the number to be sure all participants
have a seat. Please go to

< <http://asemonline.org/?m=20070224&cat=19>
http://asemonline.org/?m=20070224&cat=19>


click on the "register on-line" link which will take you to a simple
registration form. Alternatively, you can get there directly via

< <http://asemonline.org/register.php> http://asemonline.org/register.php>

All who expressed interest in our survey will still need to do this
little step.

Thanks,

Jim Roe



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5. Re: Fw: Brookwood Math and Science Night - Jan 25th
    Posted by: "mikekansascity@..." mikekansascity@... 
mikekansascity1950
    Date: Tue Jan 23, 2007 6:10 pm ((PST))

I'll be there - Re: [ASKC] Re: Fw: Brookwood Math and Science Night - Jan  
25th
Mike Sterling


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6. McNaught now ranks one of the all time greats
    Posted by: "KCStarguy@..." KCStarguy@... kcstarguy2001
    Date: Tue Jan 23, 2007 9:44 pm ((PST))

Rett and all

That might be true of Halley I don't know. But if they did see Halley's and 
missed McNaught they missed a beautiful sight in binoculars or telescope. It is 
too bad we got the short end of the stick (Southern display was better) but I 
will over treasure McNaught and not what I saw when I saw Halley's .

 I don't know   how many people missed McNaught because the short span of 
time before it went South, newspapers did not cover it (USA today, KC Star etc). 

But McNaught now ranks one of the all time greats (see the link below). 
Halley's in 1986 with the all the hype did not.


http://www.spacescan.org/entry/mcnaught-first-daylight-comet-of-the-21st-centu
ry/


Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), Olathe, KS: Member #2572 IMCA 
(International Meteorite Collectors Association) : E.O.A.S. (Earth, Oceans, 
Atmosphere 
and Space) Blog -<http://eoas-dreric1kansas.blogspot.com/> 
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3a. Re: Comet  Halley
    Posted by: "George Allen" geonjod@... geonjod
    Date: Mon Jan 22, 2007 2:47 pm ((PST))

Don't forget that after Halleymania, there was a glut of nice scopes for
sale cheap.  That's how I got my C14. 
George


> [Original Message]
> From: Rett Alonzi <ralonzi@...>
> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: 1/21/2007 10:29:51 PM
> Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] [ASKC] Comet  Halley
>
> Comet Halley was great for Astronomy. Halley was easily visible in a
nighttime sky for a 6 month period.  Comet Halley was photographed, imaged,
and observed more than any other comet ever.   Billion and billions and
billions of people got to see Comet Halley.  :-)      
>
> Our own ASKC Club, like other clubs, gained a much needed membership
surge during this extended period.  Halley mania planted the seed of
Astronomy in billions and billions and billions of young kids and their
families.  Comet Halley was the first astronomical object seen through a
telescope for most of these people, and it will remain a special lifelong
memory.  You well know that a persons first comet will always remain
special to them.
>
> Rett Alonzi




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7. Fw: REMINDER: Brookwood Math and Science Night - Jan 25th
    Posted by: "David Young" dyoung8@... dyoung8us
    Date: Tue Jan 23, 2007 9:45 pm ((PST))


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We are looking forward to a wonderful event for our students and school 
community!  It would not be possible without the generous support and 
involvement of each one of our presenters.  Thank you so much for your time and 
your effort!

Please plan to arrive at the school (3411 West 103rd Street) no later than 
5:30pm to get your room set up.  Upon your arrival, you will be greeted by many 
helpers to assist you in finding your way to your room and to ensure you have 
everything you need to help you be successful.

Thank you again for supporting a wonderful night of Math and Science!

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8a. Powell
    Posted by: "David Young" dyoung8@... dyoung8us
    Date: Tue Jan 23, 2007 10:13 pm ((PST))

We have two more posts prepared per the latest design, but not fully installed. 
It got dark and we got tired. We removed the first two posts and welded small 
plates to the outside edge so we could drill mounting holes. The angles were too 
narrow and the outside mounting holes just missed the edge. After the plates 
were welded on we drilled 4 holes in each of the angle irons. Then we welded 
nuts to the bottom of the angle iron. Countersunk holes in the wood will allow 
the angle iron to sit on the top plate. This will allow the roller brackets to 
be adjusted or removed without opening up the wall to get at the nuts from 
below.

On Saturday we will need to:
Counter sink the wood on the 270 bracket.
Cut slots in the roller brackets
Locate and install the roller for the 30 degree bracket. 
Prepare and install the remaining 3 posts.

Now that we have the design and method we should be able to get the last 3 posts 
installed in one day provided we have the same turnout of people as last 
Saturday.

Does anyone know where the missing roller, shaft and bracket are?

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8b. Re: Powell
    Posted by: "dtrent@..." dtrent@... stflyer1
    Date: Tue Jan 23, 2007 10:36 pm ((PST))

David,
The last time I saw them was before the first weekend that we looked at the job 
and Richard and I had installed it at the 30 degree point but had to take it out 
and we put it back in the closet.  We took it out because it took the weight off 
the drive wheel.
dt


-------------- Original message from "David Young" <dyoung8@...>: 
-------------- 


> We have two more posts prepared per the latest design, but not fully 
installed. 
> It got dark and we got tired. We removed the first two posts and welded small 
> plates to the outside edge so we could drill mounting holes. The angles were 
too 
> narrow and the outside mounting holes just missed the edge. After the plates 
> were welded on we drilled 4 holes in each of the angle irons. Then we welded 
> nuts to the bottom of the angle iron. Countersunk holes in the wood will allow 

> the angle iron to sit on the top plate. This will allow the roller brackets to 

> be adjusted or removed without opening up the wall to get at the nuts from 
> below. 
> 
> On Saturday we will need to: 
> Counter sink the wood on the 270 bracket. 
> Cut slots in the roller brackets 
> Locate and install the roller for the 30 degree bracket. 
> Prepare and install the remaining 3 posts. 
> 
> Now that we have the design and method we should be able to get the last 3 
posts 
> installed in one day provided we have the same turnout of people as last 
> Saturday. 
> 
> Does anyone know where the missing roller, shaft and bracket are? 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links 
> 
> 
> 

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8c. Re: Powell
    Posted by: "dtrent@..." dtrent@... stflyer1
    Date: Tue Jan 23, 2007 10:38 pm ((PST))

The roller and the parts were in the closet in a brown box about 8" in size.  
Bottom shelf I believe.
dt 


-------------- Original message from "David Young" <dyoung8@...>: 
-------------- 


> We have two more posts prepared per the latest design, but not fully 
installed. 
> It got dark and we got tired. We removed the first two posts and welded small 
> plates to the outside edge so we could drill mounting holes. The angles were 
too 
> narrow and the outside mounting holes just missed the edge. After the plates 
> were welded on we drilled 4 holes in each of the angle irons. Then we welded 
> nuts to the bottom of the angle iron. Countersunk holes in the wood will allow 

> the angle iron to sit on the top plate. This will allow the roller brackets to 

> be adjusted or removed without opening up the wall to get at the nuts from 
> below. 
> 
> On Saturday we will need to: 
> Counter sink the wood on the 270 bracket. 
> Cut slots in the roller brackets 
> Locate and install the roller for the 30 degree bracket. 
> Prepare and install the remaining 3 posts. 
> 
> Now that we have the design and method we should be able to get the last 3 
posts 
> installed in one day provided we have the same turnout of people as last 
> Saturday. 
> 
> Does anyone know where the missing roller, shaft and bracket are? 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links 
> 
> 
> 

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9. Reminder --Astronomy 101 Saturday
    Posted by: "Kathy" kmachin@... darwinfan2001
    Date: Wed Jan 24, 2007 8:23 am ((PST))

This is a reminder to all--
We will be starting the Astronomy 101 sessions at 6:00 before General Meetimgs.
That means this coming Saturday Night!!
Neta and Jackie will be conducting the January session on "Getting Started - 
What’s Up?"
All ASKC members are welcome. We especially want to encourage all newer ASKC 
members who want to learn about our hobby to attend.

I will get the information below posted to the Yahoo Groups file area later on 
today.
Astronomy 101 Topics for 2007:

January --How to read a star chart and planisphere, Sky Measurements degrees and 
estimating distances
 
February--Unaided eye and binocular observing, Evaluating binoculars, Types of 
objects you can see with unaided eye and binocs
 

March -- Telescopes - type and advantages
 

April --Mounts - type and advantages (aka the axes of evil)
 

May -- What you can see:Types of observations (e.g. planets, comets, globulars, 
nebulas, galaxies) Constellations – what they are, intro to mythology
 

June --Eyepieces - types and advantages. Calculating field of view and 
magnification, Finders - types and advantages
 

July -- How to record observations- transparency and seeing, limiting magnitude, 
Observing Clubs 
 

August -- Astronomy and computers (web sites, discussions about computer 
programs), Miscellaneous handy gadgetry
 

October --Astrophotography

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10. Fw: Barstow Science iIght
    Posted by: "David Young" dyoung8@... dyoung8us
    Date: Wed Jan 24, 2007 8:46 am ((PST))

Any takers?


Barstow is having their middle school science night on March 7th from 
6:30-8:30pm.  Dinner is included if you can set up early.
Barstow is located at 11511 State Line Road.

We have enjoyed the telescopes and hope you and your friends will be able to 
attend again.

Please let me know.

Diana Abitz


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11. Re: Little telescopes
    Posted by: "David Young" dyoung8@... dyoung8us
    Date: Wed Jan 24, 2007 9:40 am ((PST))

I still have a stash of 5" pvc well casing that makes great tubes for scopes
with 4 to 4 1/2" mirrors.




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Thanks Dick. I thought I remembered you saying the stuff was in the closet
but I couldn't find it. I'll look for the box!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <dtrent@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 12:36 AM
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Powell


> The roller and the parts were in the closet in a brown box about 8" in
size.  Bottom shelf I believe.
> dt

Dude:

I'm there.  Talley ho!

Joe

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Already on my calendar ...

Jay

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "David Young" <dyoung8@...> wrote:
>
> Any takers?
> 
> 
> Barstow is having their middle school science night on March 7th 
from 6:30-8:30pm.  Dinner is included if you can set up early.
> Barstow is located at 11511 State Line Road.
> 
> We have enjoyed the telescopes and hope you and your friends will 
be able to attend again.
> 
> Please let me know.
> 
> Diana Abitz
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

In light of my mothers recent change in her condition (Alzheimer's -  nursing 
home), I need to stay as close to the house as possible.  With  Brookwood 
tomorrow, David Young could use additional help.
 
Until further notice, count me -  'at the house' ... I'm sorry if any  
inconveniences occur yet, I know this group always seems to cover the bases and  
several of you will step up.
 
Thanks for your understanding - 
Mike Sterling


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Joe,
I had requested one when we were at Powell but I found a supply at 
WalMart (Overland Park:119th & Metcalf) Monday so I bought 3 for 
me/grandkids. Feel free to sell mine if you were holding one for me. 
It looks like you have more requests than supply.
After me, they still had about 6 left at that WalMart (in the toy 
dept) at $5 plus tax. Thanks,
Doug



--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Wright" <jswright@...> wrote:
>
> I found some of those plasma globes, the little glass globe that has 
> the electrical arc that follows your fingers, at Walmart for $5.50 
> including tax.  A couple have been spoken for, but I have about 6 
more.
> 
> If you would like one, let me know.  I can bring them to the meeting 
> this Saturday.
> 
> Joe
>

Dave:

     Please make a drawing using the 4 pieces of angle
iron and the 3' piece of 10" drill pipe. Please bring
this drawing to the General Meeting Saturday night so
we can talk about it. {Probably could use an A-frame
similar to the ones used to pull motors to place the
10" drill pipe in the AIC wooden box.}              
See you Saturday night; Bill Boyle
--- David Young <dyoung8@...> wrote:

> We can just put 3 or 4 pieces of angle iron at the
> bottom. Weld the top web
> to the 10" and drill a hole in the horizontal web so
> it can be bolted with
> anchors to the existing concrete. We would need
> something to hoist the pipe
> into place. The 10" pipe I have is 1/2" wall and too
> heavy to move around
> and hoist by hand.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "William Boyle" <lostinspacebill@...>
> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 2:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [ASKC] Re: pier for 12" scope in AIC
> 
> 
> > Joe:
> >
> >      Still like the idea of using a 3' piece of
> 10"
> > drill pipe filled with sand or oil and the bottom
> > plate welded on top for the revamped pier in the
> AIC.
> > The AIC has a budget of $300 and David Young would
> > donate the 10" drill pipe ; which should not make
> for
> > any financial hardships.
> >                                   Bill Boyle
> > --- Joe Wright <jswright@...> wrote:
> >
> > > Bill:
> > >
> > > When we looked at the scope and took things
> apart,
> > > we discussed
> > > adding legs to the pier.  Since the plates are
> > > larger and center of
> > > the mount is not the center of the base, it is
> > > offset to the south,
> > > we wanted to move the plates to the north so
> that we
> > > did not
> > > interfere with the enclosure structure.  Special
> > > attention would be
> > > required at the base of the 10" column at the
> > > concrete base.  Some
> > > kind of collar would need to be fabricated to
> fasten
> > > the 10" to the
> > > 3" at the base.  Also, as you fill the column,
> you
> > > change their
> > > vibration frequency.  Solid material causes more
> > > vibration than
> > > filling with sand and a viscous fluid (oil).  A
> > > flange/pipe
> > > configuration maybe more applicable.  A flange
> with
> > > 8 bolts maybe
> > > more practical and the 3" could be abandoned in
> > > place or removed.
> > > The bolts could be anchored using epoxy for
> > > foundation bolts.  This
> > > type of system is acceptable by many codes in
> place
> > > of "J" bolts
> > > installed during concrete placement.  The only
> > > external action on the
> > > scope is the wind, since the base is an isolated
> > > unit (no walking
> > > inside the scope enclosure).
> > >
> > > I'll look over the pictures.  It is something to
> > > look into when the
> > > plates are ready and we dry fit things.  I plan
> to
> > > get the wedge this
> > > weekend.
> > >
> > > I would like Gil or Roger to drill the holes. 
> They
> > > have a much
> > > better drill press than I.
> > >
> > > Joe
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Looks like I can be there too.


On 1/24/07, Jay Manifold <jaymanifold@...> wrote:
>
>   Already on my calendar ...
>
> Jay
>
> --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com <ASKC%40yahoogroups.com>, "David Young"
> <dyoung8@...> wrote:
> >
> > Any takers?
> >
> >
> > Barstow is having their middle school science night on March 7th
> from 6:30-8:30pm. Dinner is included if you can set up early.
> > Barstow is located at 11511 State Line Road.
> >
> > We have enjoyed the telescopes and hope you and your friends will
> be able to attend again.
> >
> > Please let me know.
> >
> > Diana Abitz
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>  
>


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I had signed up for Barstow the first time you asked.

Larry G











--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "David Young" <dyoung8@...> wrote:
>
> Any takers?
> 
> 
> Barstow is having their middle school science night on March 7th 
from 6:30-8:30pm.  Dinner is included if you can set up early.
> Barstow is located at 11511 State Line Road.
> 
> We have enjoyed the telescopes and hope you and your friends will 
be able to attend again.
> 
> Please let me know.
> 
> Diana Abitz
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

They will be setting up a StarLab at 5:00 tonight. If you can get there that early we can help them set up.

3411 West 103rd    South side of the street a few blocks east of Mission Road.

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Note that astronomers make an average of $100,000 per year.
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Wow, I had better get to humpin'.

Geo.


> [Original Message]
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> Date: 1/26/2007 1:34:46 AM
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> Note that astronomers make an average of $100,000 per year.
> Tim Kristl

David,
Thanks for your time and helping the community learn more about  astronomy.  
How was it?  Did anybody show up with a scope?
Mike Sterling


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Let's see, Pete, John&Joyce, David Y, Jay and myself.
50 to 80 kids in all (from my count) 

David Y, and Jay did the inside work and the rest of us did the outside
stuff with our 3- 10" Dobs.

DFox

Subject: [ASKC] Brookwood last night?

David,
Thanks for your time and helping the community learn more about  astronomy.

How was it?  Did anybody show up with a scope?
Mike Sterling

Who's going to Powell tomorrow?

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I just received a nice list of "honey-do's" from my social director.  I have
to bow out.  Sorry!

 

 

Dick Harshaw

KC, MO

 

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1908-1968

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From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David
Young
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 5:53 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] head count

 

Who's going to Powell tomorrow?

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I plan to bre there. 
 
Clear Skies and Smooth Roads
Randy



----- Original Message ----
From: David Young <dyoung8@...>
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 5:52:32 PM
Subject: [ASKC] head count

Who's going to Powell tomorrow?

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I will be there.  Hope to get there early because I need leave in the 
early afternoon.
Paul T 
--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "David Young" <dyoung8@...> wrote:
>
> Who's going to Powell tomorrow?
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

I will be there also.

Larry G






-- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Thompson" <pjtom@...> wrote:
>
> I will be there.  Hope to get there early because I need leave in 
the 
> early afternoon.
> Paul T 
> --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "David Young" <dyoung8@> wrote:
> >
> > Who's going to Powell tomorrow?
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

I will be there. Are we starting earlier than 10? That was the
original time given.


--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "David Young" <dyoung8@...> wrote:
>
> Who's going to Powell tomorrow?
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

At 7am I was driving to school when both my daughter and I saw what I
think was a fireball 10 degrees above the horizon just west of north.
Did anyone else see this? 

By the way, my astronomy class is a go. I still haven't heard about
the mirrors though. 

I didn't but a co-worker of mine told me he saw
something similar on his drive into work today.  
(Would have been around that time as well.)

-Cindy

--- Darrick <earthdude123@...> wrote:

> At 7am I was driving to school when both my daughter
> and I saw what I
> think was a fireball 10 degrees above the horizon
> just west of north.
> Did anyone else see this? 
> 
> By the way, my astronomy class is a go. I still
> haven't heard about
> the mirrors though. 
> 
> 


 
  ~ Cindy 
http://360.yahoo.com/cindylchesley



 
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Eric:

Due to the number of speakers, trying to coordinate an adhoc 
presentation, it would be better to schedule it for the next meeting. 
We have experienced in the past a problem with loosing the connection 
to the overhead projector when trying to move equipment of swap out 
laptops or flash cards. 

I will make an announcement that you are organizing a presentation on 
the comet and that you would like people to send photographs that they 
have taken for your presentation.  Please present yourself so the 
other members can contact you following the meeting.

Thanks,

Joe

Assuming the usuall suspects come to Powell tomorrow I think we will have all the tools we need.

We will need some shorter 1/2" bolts.

Kurt, are you going to bring bolts? If not maybe we can get Joe to stop at the Orschelen store in Kearney.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

David, 

If the PST is available, I would like to pick it up at the meeting 
tonight.

Thanks, 
Pete 

I understand. That makes sense. Will give us more time. Thanks. See you at 
meeting.
Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), Olathe, KS: Member #2572 IMCA 
(International Meteorite Collectors Association) : E.O.A.S. (Earth, Oceans, Atmosphere 
and Space) Blog -<http://eoas-dreric1kansas.blogspot.com/>:State of Kansas 
Solar System Ambassador: Comet Observers Coordinator- Astronomy   League/ 
Astronomical Society of Kansas, KC, MO-Louisburg,KS: 
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oriastronomy/satoriastronomy.htm

> 4. Re: can we have a short discussion about comet McNaught at meeting S
>     Posted by: "Joe Wright" jswright@... joe_astro_2000
>     Date: Sat Jan 27, 2007 4:09 am ((PST))
> 
> Eric:
> 
> Due to the number of speakers, trying to coordinate an adhoc
> presentation, it would be better to schedule it for the next meeting.
> We have experienced in the past a problem with loosing the connection
> to the overhead projector when trying to move equipment of swap out
> laptops or flash cards.
> 
> I will make an announcement that you are organizing a presentation on
> the comet and that you would like people to send photographs that they
> have taken for your presentation.  Please present yourself so the
> other members can contact you following the meeting.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Joe
> 
> 
> 



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Thanks to everyone who helped out at Powell today. 

We are getting closer to haveing the new support posts in place!

One more post needs to be finished and then we can work on leveling 
them all, and slotting the rest of the wheel mounts. After that we 
will need to check the drive system to see if we have enough contact 
between the wheel and the dome ring.

Let's not loose are momentem yet.  One more week and we should know if 
the structure is going to work.

THANK YOU EVERYONE

Kurt

I think there were more kids than that inside.  David did at least 6 
shows in the StarLab with 15+ attendees apiece, and plenty of kids 
never got in.

Jay

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Fox" <sm20@...> wrote:
>
> Let's see, Pete, John&Joyce, David Y, Jay and myself.
> 50 to 80 kids in all (from my count) 
> 
> David Y, and Jay did the inside work and the rest of us did the 
outside
> stuff with our 3- 10" Dobs.
> 
> DFox
> 
> Subject: [ASKC] Brookwood last night?
> 
> David,
> Thanks for your time and helping the community learn more about  
astronomy.
> 
> How was it?  Did anybody show up with a scope?
> Mike Sterling
>

click on this link
if a hand appears just click - if not paste into browser and click
http://eoas-dreric1kansas.blogspot.com/

Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), Olathe, KS: Member #2572 IMCA 
(International Meteorite Collectors Association) : E.O.A.S. (Earth, Oceans, Atmosphere 
and Space) Blog -<http://eoas-dreric1kansas.blogspot.com/>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

HI All:

I am looking for a set of 150mm rings for my 127mm MAK. If you have 
some you would like to sell or know someone that does, please let me 
know.

Thanks,

Richard Apple

sent Fri Jan 26, 2007 4:45 pm 
Posted - Sat Jan 27, 2007 9:17 pm

Yeesh.  29½ hours.  And I posted it directly to the web page, not via 
e-mail.

So that this post, whenever it may appear, does not consist solely of 
whining, some of you may recall a while back when I suggested that 
the astro-alert list be notified via text messaging.

There is now a FREE site for sending text messages of up to 160 
characters to any mobile phone (at least in the US); see 
http://www.teleflip.com/.

Just use any e-mail program to send a message to 
<NPANXXXXXX>@... (where <NPANXXXXXX> is the 10-digit mobile 
phone number of the recipient; sorry for the telco lingo -- it comes 
natural after 17+ years at Sprint).  There is also a method of 
sending to multiple recipients.

No registration needed unless you're going to send over 5,000 
messages a month.  I don't think that will strain the astro-alert 
list.  ;^)

Not to overlook the obvious, I have tested it on my mobile, and it 
works fine.  I received the text message within 10 seconds of sending 
the e-mail.

Jay

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Manifold" <jaymanifold@...> wrote:
>
> I think there were more kids than that inside.  David did at least 
6 
> shows in the StarLab with 15+ attendees apiece, and plenty of kids 
> never got in.
> 
> Jay
> 
> --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Fox" <sm20@> wrote:
> >
> > Let's see, Pete, John&Joyce, David Y, Jay and myself.
> > 50 to 80 kids in all (from my count) 
> > 
> > David Y, and Jay did the inside work and the rest of us did the 
> outside
> > stuff with our 3- 10" Dobs.
> > 
> > DFox
> > 
> > Subject: [ASKC] Brookwood last night?
> > 
> > David,
> > Thanks for your time and helping the community learn more about  
> astronomy.
> > 
> > How was it?  Did anybody show up with a scope?
> > Mike Sterling
> >
>

I can't agree.   When I am home, my cell phone is turned off, and I would
never get any text message, and I think this is the case with many members.
We can't rely on text messages to cell phones.

Jackie

  -----Original Message-----
  From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Jay
Manifold
  Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 12:06 PM
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [ASKC] Communication Methods (was Re: Brookwood last night?)


  sent Fri Jan 26, 2007 4:45 pm
  Posted - Sat Jan 27, 2007 9:17 pm

  Yeesh. 29½ hours. And I posted it directly to the web page, not via
  e-mail.

  So that this post, whenever it may appear, does not consist solely of
  whining, some of you may recall a while back when I suggested that
  the astro-alert list be notified via text messaging.

  There is now a FREE site for sending text messages of up to 160
  characters to any mobile phone (at least in the US); see
  http://www.teleflip.com/.

  Just use any e-mail program to send a message to
  <NPANXXXXXX>@... (where <NPANXXXXXX> is the 10-digit mobile
  phone number of the recipient; sorry for the telco lingo -- it comes
  natural after 17+ years at Sprint). There is also a method of
  sending to multiple recipients.

  No registration needed unless you're going to send over 5,000
  messages a month. I don't think that will strain the astro-alert
  list. ;^)

  Not to overlook the obvious, I have tested it on my mobile, and it
  works fine. I received the text message within 10 seconds of sending
  the e-mail.

  Jay

  --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Manifold" <jaymanifold@...> wrote:
  >
  > I think there were more kids than that inside. David did at least
  6
  > shows in the StarLab with 15+ attendees apiece, and plenty of kids
  > never got in.
  >
  > Jay
  >
  > --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Fox" <sm20@> wrote:
  > >
  > > Let's see, Pete, John&Joyce, David Y, Jay and myself.
  > > 50 to 80 kids in all (from my count)
  > >
  > > David Y, and Jay did the inside work and the rest of us did the
  > outside
  > > stuff with our 3- 10" Dobs.
  > >
  > > DFox
  > >
  > > Subject: [ASKC] Brookwood last night?
  > >
  > > David,
  > > Thanks for your time and helping the community learn more about
  > astronomy.
  > >
  > > How was it? Did anybody show up with a scope?
  > > Mike Sterling
  > >
  >



  


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Would it be possible for this to at least be an option
when signing up for the astro-alert list?  
If this were an option, it could reduce, overall, the
number of individuals to call and possibly improve
notification time across a larger population.    

It works great for me as I use it for my daughter's
school (they send out text messages on school
closures, etc.)

Either way, I would like to sign up for the ASKC
astro-alert list.  Who would I contact to be added to
it?

Thanks,
Cindy  


--- Jackie Beucher <m31@...> wrote:

> I can't agree.   When I am home, my cell phone is
> turned off, and I would
> never get any text message, and I think this is the
> case with many members.
> We can't rely on text messages to cell phones.
> 
> Jackie
> 
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Jay
> Manifold
>   Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 12:06 PM
>   To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: [ASKC] Communication Methods (was Re:
> Brookwood last night?)
> 
> 
>   sent Fri Jan 26, 2007 4:45 pm
>   Posted - Sat Jan 27, 2007 9:17 pm
> 
>   Yeesh. 29� hours. And I posted it directly to the
> web page, not via
>   e-mail.
> 
>   So that this post, whenever it may appear, does
> not consist solely of
>   whining, some of you may recall a while back when
> I suggested that
>   the astro-alert list be notified via text
> messaging.
> 
>   There is now a FREE site for sending text messages
> of up to 160
>   characters to any mobile phone (at least in the
> US); see
>   http://www.teleflip.com/.
> 
>   Just use any e-mail program to send a message to
>   <NPANXXXXXX>@... (where <NPANXXXXXX> is
> the 10-digit mobile
>   phone number of the recipient; sorry for the telco
> lingo -- it comes
>   natural after 17+ years at Sprint). There is also
> a method of
>   sending to multiple recipients.
> 
>   No registration needed unless you're going to send
> over 5,000
>   messages a month. I don't think that will strain
> the astro-alert
>   list. ;^)
> 
>   Not to overlook the obvious, I have tested it on
> my mobile, and it
>   works fine. I received the text message within 10
> seconds of sending
>   the e-mail.
> 
>   Jay
> 
>   --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Manifold"
> <jaymanifold@...> wrote:
>   >
>   > I think there were more kids than that inside.
> David did at least
>   6
>   > shows in the StarLab with 15+ attendees apiece,
> and plenty of kids
>   > never got in.
>   >
>   > Jay
>   >
>   > --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Fox" <sm20@>
> wrote:
>   > >
>   > > Let's see, Pete, John&Joyce, David Y, Jay and
> myself.
>   > > 50 to 80 kids in all (from my count)
>   > >
>   > > David Y, and Jay did the inside work and the
> rest of us did the
>   > outside
>   > > stuff with our 3- 10" Dobs.
>   > >
>   > > DFox
>   > >
>   > > Subject: [ASKC] Brookwood last night?
>   > >
>   > > David,
>   > > Thanks for your time and helping the community
> learn more about
>   > astronomy.
>   > >
>   > > How was it? Did anybody show up with a scope?
>   > > Mike Sterling
>   > >
>   >
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
> 
> 


 
  ~ Cindy 
http://360.yahoo.com/cindylchesley




 
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Speaking as someone who can't begin to imagine ever turning my cell 
phone off, I must nonetheless admit that there is no 100% solution.  
So we do it for the 50-75% for whom it would work and then manually 
call the rest.  I suggest we 1) make it an option and 2) emphasize 
that notification times will be measured in *seconds* for those who 
choose text messaging, versus minutes (or tens of minutes) for those 
who want manual calls.

Jay

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, Jackie Beucher <m31@...> wrote:
>
> I can't agree.   When I am home, my cell phone is turned off, and I 
would
> never get any text message, and I think this is the case with many 
members.
> We can't rely on text messages to cell phones.
> 
> Jackie
> 
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf 
Of Jay
> Manifold
>   Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 12:06 PM
>   To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: [ASKC] Communication Methods (was Re: Brookwood last 
night?)
> 
> 
>   sent Fri Jan 26, 2007 4:45 pm
>   Posted - Sat Jan 27, 2007 9:17 pm
> 
>   Yeesh. 29½ hours. And I posted it directly to the web page, not 
via
>   e-mail.
> 
>   So that this post, whenever it may appear, does not consist 
solely of
>   whining, some of you may recall a while back when I suggested that
>   the astro-alert list be notified via text messaging.
> 
>   There is now a FREE site for sending text messages of up to 160
>   characters to any mobile phone (at least in the US); see
>   http://www.teleflip.com/.
> 
>   Just use any e-mail program to send a message to
>   <NPANXXXXXX>@... (where <NPANXXXXXX> is the 10-digit 
mobile
>   phone number of the recipient; sorry for the telco lingo -- it 
comes
>   natural after 17+ years at Sprint). There is also a method of
>   sending to multiple recipients.
> 
>   No registration needed unless you're going to send over 5,000
>   messages a month. I don't think that will strain the astro-alert
>   list. ;^)
> 
>   Not to overlook the obvious, I have tested it on my mobile, and it
>   works fine. I received the text message within 10 seconds of 
sending
>   the e-mail.
> 
>   Jay
> 
>   --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Manifold" <jaymanifold@> wrote:
>   >
>   > I think there were more kids than that inside. David did at 
least
>   6
>   > shows in the StarLab with 15+ attendees apiece, and plenty of 
kids
>   > never got in.
>   >
>   > Jay
>   >
>   > --- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Fox" <sm20@> wrote:
>   > >
>   > > Let's see, Pete, John&Joyce, David Y, Jay and myself.
>   > > 50 to 80 kids in all (from my count)
>   > >
>   > > David Y, and Jay did the inside work and the rest of us did 
the
>   > outside
>   > > stuff with our 3- 10" Dobs.
>   > >
>   > > DFox
>   > >
>   > > Subject: [ASKC] Brookwood last night?
>   > >
>   > > David,
>   > > Thanks for your time and helping the community learn more 
about
>   > astronomy.
>   > >
>   > > How was it? Did anybody show up with a scope?
>   > > Mike Sterling
>   > >
>   >
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Missed you last night Richard. Are you feeling better?
 
Neta was showing off her new laptop that you bought her for Christmas. She
was beaming!
 
Clear skies,
 
Gary Pittman
 

  _____  

From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
rocketeer57x
Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 10:12 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Wanted: 150mm Rings




HI All:

I am looking for a set of 150mm rings for my 127mm MAK. If you have 
some you would like to sell or know someone that does, please let me 
know.

Thanks,

Richard Apple



 


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Jay,
There may be a place for the text messaging thing - perhaps a separate group 
on the astro-alert list. That could save time for those who have their phone 
on 24/7.

If someone chooses that list, they should not be on the regular phone list. 
There is no reason for anyone to waste time trying to contact them if they 
already have the message. Although, there still would need to be some sort 
of list of text-messagers to make certain the text message got sent by 
somebody.

Personally, the only time I have my cell phone on is when I am making a 
call. I never have it on otherwise. Reason-- I cannot hear it ring and I do 
not want to be tethered to a vibrating phone. I have heard only one cell 
phone ring in years. I do not hear ring tones from wireless phones, either. 
I have a cell phone to reach others -- not so they can reach me. I have 
never sent a text message, and don't expect to ever do so.

I expect there are many of us who are still not with all the latest in the 
modern communication world, but that doesn't mean that we can't or shouldn't 
make use of it for those who are.

Kathy


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jay Manifold" <jaymanifold@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 12:06 PM
Subject: [ASKC] Communication Methods (was Re: Brookwood last night?)


sent Fri Jan 26, 2007 4:45 pm
Posted - Sat Jan 27, 2007 9:17 pm

Yeesh.  29� hours.  And I posted it directly to the web page, not via
e-mail.

So that this post, whenever it may appear, does not consist solely of
whining, some of you may recall a while back when I suggested that
the astro-alert list be notified via text messaging.

There is now a FREE site for sending text messages of up to 160
characters to any mobile phone (at least in the US); see
http://www.teleflip.com/.

Just use any e-mail program to send a message to
<NPANXXXXXX>@... (where <NPANXXXXXX> is the 10-digit mobile
phone number of the recipient; sorry for the telco lingo -- it comes
natural after 17+ years at Sprint).  There is also a method of
sending to multiple recipients.

No registration needed unless you're going to send over 5,000
messages a month.  I don't think that will strain the astro-alert
list.  ;^)

Not to overlook the obvious, I have tested it on my mobile, and it
works fine.  I received the text message within 10 seconds of sending
the e-mail.

Jay

Nice photo on your blog site!

When did you take the photo and what was your exposure time, etc.?

Carroll Iorg


--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, KCStarguy@... wrote:
>
> click on this link
> if a hand appears just click - if not paste into browser and click
> http://eoas-dreric1kansas.blogspot.com/
> 
> Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), Olathe, KS: Member #2572 IMCA 
> (International Meteorite Collectors Association) : E.O.A.S. (Earth, 
Oceans, Atmosphere 
> and Space) Blog -<http://eoas-dreric1kansas.blogspot.com/>
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

The Great and Frustrating Comet of 2007
Northern hemisphere stargazers have never had any shortage of reasons to be 
jealous of our southern hemisphere cousins.

http://www.space.com/adastra/070127_comet_mcnaught.html

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(International Meteorite Collectors Association) : E.O.A.S. (Earth, Oceans, Atmosphere 
and Space) Blog -<http://eoas-dreric1kansas.blogspot.com/>:State of Kansas 
Solar System Ambassador: Comet Observers Coordinator- Astronomy   League/ 
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For those who were at the general meeting last night and heard me talk a
moment about my observing log database that I keep in Access, let me know if
you'd like a copy  (via a private reply to dwharshaw at kc dot rr dot com)
and I will send you a blank (empty) copy of the database format which you
can populate as you see fit.  If you prefer to have the entire database,
with my observing logs in it too, you'll need to mail me a blank CD-R and a
return envelop, postage pre-paid, and I'll burn a copy for you and mail it
back.  (It has about 10,000 double stars in it and about 4,000 deep sky
objects.) Mail the CD and return envelop to me at 1817 Northeast 83rd
Street, KC, MO  64118.  Allow six to eight weeks for delivery.  (Just
kidding)

 

You'll need Access (Office 2003 or later) to use the file.

 

 

 

Dick Harshaw

KC, MO

 

"Cosmologists are often in error, but never in dobut."  -- Lev Landau,
1908-1968

 

 



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

That's not that far out of line, though, with other university positions
where the prof publishes a lot and does research.  As Einstein would say,
"Everything is relative."

 

 

Dick Harshaw

KC, MO

 

"Cosmologists are often in error, but never in dobut."  -- Lev Landau,
1908-1968

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To: askc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Check out AOL Jobs - Articles- Seven Surprising Salaries -
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I was just out peaking at the Great Nebula in Orion through binoculars, when
I suddenly became aware of a bright (mag -2, -3) star like object about 5
degrees SW of Rigel.  It was motionless, and, as I watched, it faded over
the course of a minute or two to a faintness that required my use of the
binocs to view it.   This happened about 6:55 pm.

Anyone have any ideas what I just witnessed?

Dave in Shawnee

HI Gary,

Thanks, I missed all of you too!  I need an astronomy/Appleby fix!

The laptop was the last thing she expected.  She does so much 
outreach she really needed something more capable with modern 
inferfaces than that old battle tank of a laptop she's been lugging 
around.


Clear Skies!

-R-

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Gary Pittman" <namttip@...> wrote:
>
> Missed you last night Richard. Are you feeling better?
>  
> Neta was showing off her new laptop that you bought her for 
Christmas. She
> was beaming!
>  
> Clear skies,
>  
> Gary Pittman
>  
> 
>   _____  
> 
> From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of
> rocketeer57x
> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 10:12 AM
> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [ASKC] Wanted: 150mm Rings
> 
> 
> 
> 
> HI All:
> 
> I am looking for a set of 150mm rings for my 127mm MAK. If you 
have 
> some you would like to sell or know someone that does, please let 
me 
> know.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Richard Apple
> 
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-  Maybe argos delta  -  see heavans above.com..... Pete

-- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Baker" <DBAKER5@...> wrote:
>
> I was just out peaking at the Great Nebula in Orion through 
binoculars, when
> I suddenly became aware of a bright (mag -2, -3) star like object 
about 5
> degrees SW of Rigel.  It was motionless, and, as I watched, it faded 
over
> the course of a minute or two to a faintness that required my use of 
the
> binocs to view it.   This happened about 6:55 pm.
> 
> Anyone have any ideas what I just witnessed?
> 
> Dave in Shawnee
>

Is it a variable?  I tell ya, this star or whatever was every bit as bright
as Sirius.

Draw a straight line from Betelgeuse through Alnilam to Rigel and extend it
5 degrees.  That is where I saw it.  There is no star there of the magnitude
I saw.  I viewed it momentarily through the binoculars and it was a single
point of light, looking exactly like a star.  I looked away for a moment,
and when I looked back it had faded.  There was a very dim star at the
approximate location of the bright one (I can't be absolutely certain of its
position).

I doubt it was a satellite, as I did not notice any motion.  And it lasted
too long to be an Iridium flare.

Confused in Shawnee, I remain

Dave


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "pjafferis" <pjafferis@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 8:35 PM
Subject: [ASKC] Re: Strange Star?


> -  Maybe argos delta  -  see heavans above.com..... Pete
>
> -- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Baker" <DBAKER5@...> wrote:
> >
> > I was just out peaking at the Great Nebula in Orion through
> binoculars, when
> > I suddenly became aware of a bright (mag -2, -3) star like object
> about 5
> > degrees SW of Rigel.  It was motionless, and, as I watched, it faded
> over
> > the course of a minute or two to a faintness that required my use of
> the
> > binocs to view it.   This happened about 6:55 pm.
> >
> > Anyone have any ideas what I just witnessed?
> >
> > Dave in Shawnee
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Could it have been a weather ballon at very high altitude, still in the
sunlight, and slowly drifting into the earth's shadow?  The only other
suggestion is that maybe you took too much cold medicine today.  ;-))
George

> [Original Message]
> From: Dave Baker <DBAKER5@...>
> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: 1/28/2007 8:47:03 PM
> Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [ASKC] Re: Strange Star?
>
> Is it a variable?  I tell ya, this star or whatever was every bit as
bright
> as Sirius.
>
> Draw a straight line from Betelgeuse through Alnilam to Rigel and extend
it
> 5 degrees.  That is where I saw it.  There is no star there of the
magnitude
> I saw.  I viewed it momentarily through the binoculars and it was a single
> point of light, looking exactly like a star.  I looked away for a moment,
> and when I looked back it had faded.  There was a very dim star at the
> approximate location of the bright one (I can't be absolutely certain of
its
> position).
>
> I doubt it was a satellite, as I did not notice any motion.  And it lasted
> too long to be an Iridium flare.
>
> Confused in Shawnee, I remain
>
> Dave
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "pjafferis" <pjafferis@...>
> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 8:35 PM
> Subject: [ASKC] Re: Strange Star?
>
>
> > -  Maybe argos delta  -  see heavans above.com..... Pete
> >
> > -- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Baker" <DBAKER5@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > I was just out peaking at the Great Nebula in Orion through
> > binoculars, when
> > > I suddenly became aware of a bright (mag -2, -3) star like object
> > about 5
> > > degrees SW of Rigel.  It was motionless, and, as I watched, it faded
> > over
> > > the course of a minute or two to a faintness that required my use of
> > the
> > > binocs to view it.   This happened about 6:55 pm.
> > >
> > > Anyone have any ideas what I just witnessed?
> > >
> > > Dave in Shawnee
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
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>
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> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>

Dave,
This sounds like a commercial airline landing light being turned on and then off in flight for visual identification.  Whenever we were approaching another aircraft near our altutude the Air route center controller would call out our relative location to each other and we would both turn on our landing lights so that we could be more visible to the other one.  As soon as they reponded by turning on their light we would turn ours off.  This would go on several times a night during long night flights.  The light would normally be on for a few seconds to a minute, but closer to 15-20 seconds was more usual.  These lights were several million candle power and can be seen for hundreds of miles on a clear night.  When turned on and off they take a little time to come up to full brightness and several seconds to dim down when turned off.  This operation would be normal at high altitudes and would be seen far enough away to give the illusion that it was not moving and could easily be mista
ken for a star suddenly getting bright and then dim again.   I have see these myself from the ground and the first time it really puzzeled me as it was before I became pilot for TWA.  Some years later that memory came back to me and I realized what I had see years before.

For what it is worth, that is what I think you might have seen.  
Dick Trentman




-------------- Original message from "George Allen" <geonjod@...>: -------------- 


> Could it have been a weather ballon at very high altitude, still in the 
> sunlight, and slowly drifting into the earth's shadow? The only other 
> suggestion is that maybe you took too much cold medicine today. ;-)) 
> George 
> 
> > [Original Message] 
> > From: Dave Baker 
> > To: 
> > Date: 1/28/2007 8:47:03 PM 
> > Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [ASKC] Re: Strange Star? 
> > 
> > Is it a variable? I tell ya, this star or whatever was every bit as 
> bright 
> > as Sirius. 
> > 
> > Draw a straight line from Betelgeuse through Alnilam to Rigel and extend 
> it 
> > 5 degrees. That is where I saw it. There is no star there of the 
> magnitude 
> > I saw. I viewed it momentarily through the binoculars and it was a single 
> > point of light, looking exactly like a star. I looked away for a moment, 
> > and when I looked back it had faded. There was a very dim star at the 
> > approximate location of the bright one (I can't be absolutely certain of 
> its 
> > position). 
> > 
> > I doubt it was a satellite, as I did not notice any motion. And it lasted 
> > too long to be an Iridium flare. 
> > 
> > Confused in Shawnee, I remain 
> > 
> > Dave 
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "pjafferis" 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 8:35 PM 
> > Subject: [ASKC] Re: Strange Star? 
> > 
> > 
> > > - Maybe argos delta - see heavans above.com..... Pete 
> > > 
> > > -- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Baker" wrote: 
> > > > 
> > > > I was just out peaking at the Great Nebula in Orion through 
> > > binoculars, when 
> > > > I suddenly became aware of a bright (mag -2, -3) star like object 
> > > about 5 
> > > > degrees SW of Rigel. It was motionless, and, as I watched, it faded 
> > > over 
> > > > the course of a minute or two to a faintness that required my use of 
> > > the 
> > > > binocs to view it. This happened about 6:55 pm. 
> > > > 
> > > > Anyone have any ideas what I just witnessed? 
> > > > 
> > > > Dave in Shawnee 
> > > > 
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please put out the word for next meeting beyond this listserve as well

If you have Comet McNaught digital photos and would like to share for the 
next meeting please send to Vic Winter or I and we will put in presentation.
Also   sketches can   be scaned and sent to us

Also bring sketches and your photos to to display
I will bring some white boards to display some other comet pictures I have 
taken as well as my pics that match the presentation pics

I will have a movie of the comet too

? let me know

Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), Olathe, KS: Member #2572 IMCA 
(International Meteorite Collectors Association) : E.O.A.S. (Earth, Oceans, Atmosphere 
and Space) Blog -<http://eoas-dreric1kansas.blogspot.com/>:State of Kansas 
Solar System Ambassador: Comet Observers Coordinator- Astronomy   League/ 
Astronomical Society of Kansas, KC, MO-Louisburg,KS: 
http://www.astroleague.org/al/obsclubs/comet/comet.htm: CometObserversAwardALsubscribe@yahoogroups.com - Dr. 
Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), Olathe, KS: State of Kansas Solar System 
Ambassador:Eric's Black Sun Eclipse newsletter
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 Prospecting for Space Rocks.
 by Marti Attoun
http://www.americanprofile.com/article/20536.html



Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), Olathe, KS: Member #2572 IMCA 
(International Meteorite Collectors Association) : E.O.A.S. (Earth, Oceans, Atmosphere 
and Space) Blog -<http://eoas-dreric1kansas.blogspot.com/>:State of Kansas 
Solar System Ambassador: Comet Observers Coordinator- Astronomy   League/ 
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Thanks for the update David F.  Pete, John & Joyce, David Y., and  Jay --- 
WAY TO GO!
Sterling


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Very nice night. I did 8 StarLab shows with 15 to 20 kids per show. I've had
enough screaching and yelling kids for a while. Jay Manifold brought a
little cassegrain scope for a demo at the table area outside the StarLab and
showed the kids my meteorite collection. Pete Jeffries, John and Joyce
Cravens and David Fox brought telescopes. We kept sending people out there
so I assume they were busy all evening. At least we had a clear and
relatively warm night.

Thanks to David Fox for doing most of the work rolling that darn thing up
and stuffing it back into the bag.



> How was it?  Did anybody show up with a scope?
> Mike Sterling

Sent - Fri Jan 26, 2007 3:30 pm
Posted - Mon Jan 29, 2007 10:44 am

67 hours and 14 minutes.  Man.  The hamster wheels must have broken 
down.

While I'm here, I'll acknowledge that David Fox showed up at just the 
right moment to repack the StarLab, allowing me to escape.  ;^)

Jay

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "David Young" <dyoung8@...> wrote:
>
> Very nice night. I did 8 StarLab shows with 15 to 20 kids per show. 
I've had
> enough screaching and yelling kids for a while. Jay Manifold 
brought a
> little cassegrain scope for a demo at the table area outside the 
StarLab and
> showed the kids my meteorite collection. Pete Jeffries, John and 
Joyce
> Cravens and David Fox brought telescopes. We kept sending people 
out there
> so I assume they were busy all evening. At least we had a clear and
> relatively warm night.
> 
> Thanks to David Fox for doing most of the work rolling that darn 
thing up
> and stuffing it back into the bag.
> 
> 
> 
> > How was it?  Did anybody show up with a scope?
> > Mike Sterling
>

Thanks, Dick.  That's a plausible explanation.  I do recall, however,
that through my 10x50 binocs, it did appear as one light.  

BTW... Back in 200whatever when Mars was at close approach, I was
observing at the old Scopeville location when I saw what appeared to be
some type of airplane with brilliant red/orange landing lights turned
on.   No navigation beacons, clearance lights or strobes... just two
bright red-orange head lights.  Do you have any idea what this could
have been about?

Dave in Shawnee


-----Original Message-----
From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
dtrent@...
Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 10:16 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: Re: [ASKC] Re: Strange Star?


Dave,
This sounds like a commercial airline landing light being turned on and
then off in flight for visual identification.  Whenever we were
approaching another aircraft near our altutude the Air route center
controller would call out our relative location to each other and we
would both turn on our landing lights so that we could be more visible
to the other one.  As soon as they reponded by turning on their light we
would turn ours off.  This would go on several times a night during long
night flights.  The light would normally be on for a few seconds to a
minute, but closer to 15-20 seconds was more usual.  These lights were
several million candle power and can be seen for hundreds of miles on a
clear night.  When turned on and off they take a little time to come up
to full brightness and several seconds to dim down when turned off.
This operation would be normal at high altitudes and would be seen far
enough away to give the illusion that it was not moving and could easily
be mista
ken for a star suddenly getting bright and then dim again.   I have see
these myself from the ground and the first time it really puzzeled me as
it was before I became pilot for TWA.  Some years later that memory came
back to me and I realized what I had see years before.

For what it is worth, that is what I think you might have seen.  
Dick Trentman




-------------- Original message from "George Allen"
<geonjod@...>: -------------- 


> Could it have been a weather ballon at very high altitude, still in
the 
> sunlight, and slowly drifting into the earth's shadow? The only other 
> suggestion is that maybe you took too much cold medicine today. ;-)) 
> George 
> 
> > [Original Message] 
> > From: Dave Baker 
> > To: 
> > Date: 1/28/2007 8:47:03 PM 
> > Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [ASKC] Re: Strange Star? 
> > 
> > Is it a variable? I tell ya, this star or whatever was every bit as 
> bright 
> > as Sirius. 
> > 
> > Draw a straight line from Betelgeuse through Alnilam to Rigel and
extend 
> it 
> > 5 degrees. That is where I saw it. There is no star there of the 
> magnitude 
> > I saw. I viewed it momentarily through the binoculars and it was a
single 
> > point of light, looking exactly like a star. I looked away for a
moment, 
> > and when I looked back it had faded. There was a very dim star at
the 
> > approximate location of the bright one (I can't be absolutely
certain of 
> its 
> > position). 
> > 
> > I doubt it was a satellite, as I did not notice any motion. And it
lasted 
> > too long to be an Iridium flare. 
> > 
> > Confused in Shawnee, I remain 
> > 
> > Dave 
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "pjafferis" 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 8:35 PM 
> > Subject: [ASKC] Re: Strange Star? 
> > 
> > 
> > > - Maybe argos delta - see heavans above.com..... Pete 
> > > 
> > > -- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Baker" wrote: 
> > > > 
> > > > I was just out peaking at the Great Nebula in Orion through 
> > > binoculars, when 
> > > > I suddenly became aware of a bright (mag -2, -3) star like
object 
> > > about 5 
> > > > degrees SW of Rigel. It was motionless, and, as I watched, it
faded 
> > > over 
> > > > the course of a minute or two to a faintness that required my
use of 
> > > the 
> > > > binocs to view it. This happened about 6:55 pm. 
> > > > 
> > > > Anyone have any ideas what I just witnessed? 
> > > > 
> > > > Dave in Shawnee 
> > > > 
> > > 
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Yahoo! Groups Links

With the delay in yahoo lately this will probably be posted about Thursday.

Larry Goode and I will be headed to Powell around 1:30 today in case anyone is available. We want to do the rest of the welding and cutting outside today before the weather goes to he....uh turns bad.

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Dave in Shawnee,

One light visible is to be expected as the lights used were usually the inboard wing (flush mounted lights) and you would see only one light unless you were directly in front of the A/C.   Those lights are mounted near the body of the A/C and about 10-20 feet apart (with the body of the A/C between them) and at that distance the pair of  lights would probably look like one either way.  You would have to be directly in front of that A/C or within about 2-3 degrees of direct head on to see both if you could separate them with your Binocs.
The outboard landing and nose lights are usually retractable and they would not be extended at high altitude.  This description fits most of the A/C I am familiar with.  There may be some exceptions.  The retractable lights would not be used as it usually exceeds their speed limits for actuation.  They are used for approach or departure and landing near the ground.  Usually below 5,000 to 10,000 feet AGL and speed below 250kts.  The retractable lights cause increased drag and some vibration on some types.  I have seen the actuators damaged from being extended at too high an airspeed.

I wonder if the red orange color would fit if it was low in the sky.

Next time you might have a chance to see if these comments fit the situation.

My 2 or 3 cents worth.. 
dt

-------------- Original message from "David Baker" <DBAKER5@...>: -------------- 


> Thanks, Dick. That's a plausible explanation. I do recall, however, 
> that through my 10x50 binocs, it did appear as one light. 
> 
> BTW... Back in 200whatever when Mars was at close approach, I was 
> observing at the old Scopeville location when I saw what appeared to be 
> some type of airplane with brilliant red/orange landing lights turned 
> on. No navigation beacons, clearance lights or strobes... just two 
> bright red-orange head lights. Do you have any idea what this could 
> have been about? 
> 
> Dave in Shawnee 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> dtrent@... 
> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 10:16 PM 
> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
> Subject: RE: Re: [ASKC] Re: Strange Star? 
> 
> 
> Dave, 
> This sounds like a commercial airline landing light being turned on and 
> then off in flight for visual identification. Whenever we were 
> approaching another aircraft near our altutude the Air route center 
> controller would call out our relative location to each other and we 
> would both turn on our landing lights so that we could be more visible 
> to the other one. As soon as they reponded by turning on their light we 
> would turn ours off. This would go on several times a night during long 
> night flights. The light would normally be on for a few seconds to a 
> minute, but closer to 15-20 seconds was more usual. These lights were 
> several million candle power and can be seen for hundreds of miles on a 
> clear night. When turned on and off they take a little time to come up 
> to full brightness and several seconds to dim down when turned off. 
> This operation would be normal at high altitudes and would be seen far 
> enough away to give the illusion that it was not moving and could easily 
> be mista 
> ken for a star suddenly getting bright and then dim again. I have see 
> these myself from the ground and the first time it really puzzeled me as 
> it was before I became pilot for TWA. Some years later that memory came 
> back to me and I realized what I had see years before. 
> 
> For what it is worth, that is what I think you might have seen. 
> Dick Trentman 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -------------- Original message from "George Allen" 
> : -------------- 
> 
> 
> > Could it have been a weather ballon at very high altitude, still in 
> the 
> > sunlight, and slowly drifting into the earth's shadow? The only other 
> > suggestion is that maybe you took too much cold medicine today. ;-)) 
> > George 
> > 
> > > [Original Message] 
> > > From: Dave Baker 
> > > To: 
> > > Date: 1/28/2007 8:47:03 PM 
> > > Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [ASKC] Re: Strange Star? 
> > > 
> > > Is it a variable? I tell ya, this star or whatever was every bit as 
> > bright 
> > > as Sirius. 
> > > 
> > > Draw a straight line from Betelgeuse through Alnilam to Rigel and 
> extend 
> > it 
> > > 5 degrees. That is where I saw it. There is no star there of the 
> > magnitude 
> > > I saw. I viewed it momentarily through the binoculars and it was a 
> single 
> > > point of light, looking exactly like a star. I looked away for a 
> moment, 
> > > and when I looked back it had faded. There was a very dim star at 
> the 
> > > approximate location of the bright one (I can't be absolutely 
> certain of 
> > its 
> > > position). 
> > > 
> > > I doubt it was a satellite, as I did not notice any motion. And it 
> lasted 
> > > too long to be an Iridium flare. 
> > > 
> > > Confused in Shawnee, I remain 
> > > 
> > > Dave 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "pjafferis" 
> > > To: 
> > > Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 8:35 PM 
> > > Subject: [ASKC] Re: Strange Star? 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > - Maybe argos delta - see heavans above.com..... Pete 
> > > > 
> > > > -- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Baker" wrote: 
> > > > > 
> > > > > I was just out peaking at the Great Nebula in Orion through 
> > > > binoculars, when 
> > > > > I suddenly became aware of a bright (mag -2, -3) star like 
> object 
> > > > about 5 
> > > > > degrees SW of Rigel. It was motionless, and, as I watched, it 
> faded 
> > > > over 
> > > > > the course of a minute or two to a faintness that required my 
> use of 
> > > > the 
> > > > > binocs to view it. This happened about 6:55 pm. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Anyone have any ideas what I just witnessed? 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Dave in Shawnee 
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One other thing.   Most of the lights are on a switch by itself.  2 or 4 lights and 2 or 4 switches.
The last two A/C I flew were that way.  This way if one shorts out or is damaged it will pop the CB
and you loose only one light.  Bird stikes cause a problem like that.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Baker" <DBAKER5@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 9:28 AM
Subject: RE: Re: [ASKC] Re: Strange Star?


> Thanks, Dick.  That's a plausible explanation.  I do recall, however,
> that through my 10x50 binocs, it did appear as one light.
>
> BTW... Back in 200whatever when Mars was at close approach, I was
> observing at the old Scopeville location when I saw what appeared to be
> some type of airplane with brilliant red/orange landing lights turned
> on.   No navigation beacons, clearance lights or strobes... just two
> bright red-orange head lights.  Do you have any idea what this could
> have been about?
>
> Dave in Shawnee
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> dtrent@...
> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 10:16 PM
> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: Re: [ASKC] Re: Strange Star?
>
>
> Dave,
> This sounds like a commercial airline landing light being turned on and
> then off in flight for visual identification.  Whenever we were
> approaching another aircraft near our altutude the Air route center
> controller would call out our relative location to each other and we
> would both turn on our landing lights so that we could be more visible
> to the other one.  As soon as they reponded by turning on their light we
> would turn ours off.  This would go on several times a night during long
> night flights.  The light would normally be on for a few seconds to a
> minute, but closer to 15-20 seconds was more usual.  These lights were
> several million candle power and can be seen for hundreds of miles on a
> clear night.  When turned on and off they take a little time to come up
> to full brightness and several seconds to dim down when turned off.
> This operation would be normal at high altitudes and would be seen far
> enough away to give the illusion that it was not moving and could easily
> be mista
> ken for a star suddenly getting bright and then dim again.   I have see
> these myself from the ground and the first time it really puzzeled me as
> it was before I became pilot for TWA.  Some years later that memory came
> back to me and I realized what I had see years before.
>
> For what it is worth, that is what I think you might have seen.
> Dick Trentman
>
>
>
>
> -------------- Original message from "George Allen"
> <geonjod@...>: -------------- 
>
>
> > Could it have been a weather ballon at very high altitude, still in
> the
> > sunlight, and slowly drifting into the earth's shadow? The only other
> > suggestion is that maybe you took too much cold medicine today. ;-))
> > George
> >
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: Dave Baker
> > > To:
> > > Date: 1/28/2007 8:47:03 PM
> > > Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [ASKC] Re: Strange Star?
> > >
> > > Is it a variable? I tell ya, this star or whatever was every bit as
> > bright
> > > as Sirius.
> > >
> > > Draw a straight line from Betelgeuse through Alnilam to Rigel and
> extend
> > it
> > > 5 degrees. That is where I saw it. There is no star there of the
> > magnitude
> > > I saw. I viewed it momentarily through the binoculars and it was a
> single
> > > point of light, looking exactly like a star. I looked away for a
> moment,
> > > and when I looked back it had faded. There was a very dim star at
> the
> > > approximate location of the bright one (I can't be absolutely
> certain of
> > its
> > > position).
> > >
> > > I doubt it was a satellite, as I did not notice any motion. And it
> lasted
> > > too long to be an Iridium flare.
> > >
> > > Confused in Shawnee, I remain
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "pjafferis"
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 8:35 PM
> > > Subject: [ASKC] Re: Strange Star?
> > >
> > >
> > > > - Maybe argos delta - see heavans above.com..... Pete
> > > >
> > > > -- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Baker" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I was just out peaking at the Great Nebula in Orion through
> > > > binoculars, when
> > > > > I suddenly became aware of a bright (mag -2, -3) star like
> object
> > > > about 5
> > > > > degrees SW of Rigel. It was motionless, and, as I watched, it
> faded
> > > > over
> > > > > the course of a minute or two to a faintness that required my
> use of
> > > > the
> > > > > binocs to view it. This happened about 6:55 pm.
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyone have any ideas what I just witnessed?
> > > > >
> > > > > Dave in Shawnee
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I took several digital pictures with my 290 digital kodak camera ( wouldn't you know my minolta digital had conked out in December!!). I took several exposures at  2 seconds at about 100 asa because I can't change the ASA with this camera.This was the best one along with another.
I was at the 95th street overlook west of k-7 with Doug Zubenel.
 I had the digital camera on my mini tripod.  Other digital pics were okay the nights before but the lens was not zoomed in like it was on this picture.
I also took videos which are my first videos of a comet and I will bring that to the meeting.
Thanks for looking at blog and pics.
 
Dr.Eric
 
 
 
 *****
5. The Great and Frustrating Comet of 2007 :(
    Posted by: "KCStarguy@..." KCStarguy@... kcstarguy2001
    Date: Sun Jan 28, 2007 2:26 pm ((PST))



The Great and Frustrating Comet of 2007
Northern hemisphere stargazers have never had any shortage of reasons to be 
jealous of our southern hemisphere cousins.

http://www.space.com/adastra/070127_comet_mcnaught.html

Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), Olathe, KS: Member #2572 IMCA 
(International Meteorite Collectors Association) : E.O.A.S. (Earth, Oceans, 
Atmosphere 
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How did it go?   


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Dear Friends and Fellow ASKC Members:

It is with deepest regrets and sadness that I tell you that the club 
has lost an outstanding member and avid astronomer of many years.

Vic Winter has passed away.  

Vic's many accomplishments include:
Past President
Helen A. Warkoczewski Award
Mid-States Amateur of the Year
Messier Club Awards
Sunspotter

and a host of other honors and awards.  Vic has been a presenter of 
many monthly programs and a supporter of our outreach program.

Vic, you will be greatly missed.

I know your thoughts and prayers will be going out to the Winter 
family.  

Sorrowfully,

Joe Wright

....

Very sad news and a great lost. 

David 


-----Original Message-----
From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joe
Wright
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 1:41 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Dear Friends

Dear Friends and Fellow ASKC Members:

It is with deepest regrets and sadness that I tell you that the club has
lost an outstanding member and avid astronomer of many years.

Vic Winter has passed away.  

Vic's many accomplishments include:
Past President
Helen A. Warkoczewski Award
Mid-States Amateur of the Year
Messier Club Awards
Sunspotter

and a host of other honors and awards.  Vic has been a presenter of many
monthly programs and a supporter of our outreach program.

Vic, you will be greatly missed.

I know your thoughts and prayers will be going out to the Winter family.  

Sorrowfully,

Joe Wright






 
Yahoo! Groups Links

Stunned!

 

I just had dinner with Vic Saturday after the GM at Applebee's.  

 

Such a huge loss!  

 

 

Dick Harshaw

KC, MO

 

"Cosmologists are often in error, but never in dobut."  -- Lev Landau,
1908-1968

  _____  

From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joe
Wright
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 1:41 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] Dear Friends

 

Dear Friends and Fellow ASKC Members:

It is with deepest regrets and sadness that I tell you that the club 
has lost an outstanding member and avid astronomer of many years.

Vic Winter has passed away. 

Vic's many accomplishments include:
Past President
Helen A. Warkoczewski Award
Mid-States Amateur of the Year
Messier Club Awards
Sunspotter

and a host of other honors and awards. Vic has been a presenter of 
many monthly programs and a supporter of our outreach program.

Vic, you will be greatly missed.

I know your thoughts and prayers will be going out to the Winter 
family. 

Sorrowfully,

Joe Wright

 



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I think Vic was the first ASKC member that I met. It was my first visit to
Powell and I found Vic warm and friendly. He was a gentle man and he will be
missed. It is indeed sad news.

Mike Myer

This is sad news.. He was too young to go.   All our prayers and best wishes to his family.
DT 


-------------- Original message from "Joe Wright" <jswright@...>: -------------- 


> Dear Friends and Fellow ASKC Members: 
> 
> It is with deepest regrets and sadness that I tell you that the club 
> has lost an outstanding member and avid astronomer of many years. 
> 
> Vic Winter has passed away. 
> 
> Vic's many accomplishments include: 
> Past President 
> Helen A. Warkoczewski Award 
> Mid-States Amateur of the Year 
> Messier Club Awards 
> Sunspotter 
> 
> and a host of other honors and awards. Vic has been a presenter of 
> many monthly programs and a supporter of our outreach program. 
> 
> Vic, you will be greatly missed. 
> 
> I know your thoughts and prayers will be going out to the Winter 
> family. 
> 
> Sorrowfully, 
> 
> Joe Wright 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links 
> 
> 
> 

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Jen Winter just forwarded this email to me, for posting on the ASKC
egroup.   Many of you spent time with Vic Saturday night at the ASKC
meeting, and to dinner afterward.  Needless to say, we are all in shock.


 

      Jackie Beucher

    EMJ - Kansas City

       800-821-2500

     Fax: 816-241-3677

Computer Fax: 630-635-4043

 

	It is with much sorrow that I must inform you of the passing of
a good friend, Vic Winter.  He passed away in his sleep, Sunday morning,
January 28, 2007.   He leaves behind his beloved daughter, Shadow Lynn
Winter; his wife, Jennifer;  his two stepdaughters, Aerica and Libby and
brothers Mark and Dan.  A memorial service will be held at
Sweeny-Phillips Funeral home in Warrensburg, MO  660-747-9114 Saturday,
February 3rd at 1:00pm.  The family is asking in lieu of flowers, for
donations to be made to the StarGarden Foundation. 
	
	He was the founder of StarGarden Foundation, an organization
dedicated to astronomical outreach.  His passion for astronomy brought
him to all corners of the globe to photograph the sky.  He enjoyed a
long and decorated career as a newspaper photographer and photo editor
with the Kansas City Star. He brought both of those passions to Bolivia,
leading the Southern Skies Star Party at Lake Titicaca, where he was "El
Padron" or godfather, organizing donations for the local school and
community.
	
	He was an owner of ICSTARS Astronomy, www.icstars.com
<http://www.icstars.com/> , and DayStar Filters. He was a JPL Nasa Solar
System Ambassador, past editor of the Astronomical League Reflector
Magazine, a decorated member of and former president of the Astronomical
Society of Kansas City.  Vic has given thousands of public talks and
demonstrations on astronomy through the ASKC and StarGarden Foundation.
	
	Through his generosity, outreach and photography, Vic's impact
in the midwest, the US and across the globe was immeasurable.

 
DayStar Filters LLC - www.DayStarFilters.com
<http://www.daystarfilters.com/> ICSTARS Astronomy - www.ICSTARS.com
<http://www.icstars.com/> StarGarden Foundation -
www.StarGardenFoundation.org
<http://www.stargardenfoundation.org/>         



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ICStars was my first star party.  Vic friendliness, patience, and  
encouragement were instrumental in my astronomy initiation.  You'll be  missed Vic.
Mike Sterling


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Rob,

I assume any donations to StarGarden Foundation are mailed to you?  Or could
you please let me know who else, if that's the case?
Thank you,

Gina 

Many of you may have noticed Mike's absence at some events lately.  
As many of you know, Mike Sterlling's mother has been ill. She 
passed away yesterday, Jan. 28th.  Mike is a true dynamo and exudes 
enthusiasm and a great passion for astronomy.


During this time of sadness, we all will be expressing our sympathy 
and prayers to Mike and the Sterling family.  Below is an excerpt 
from the Kansas City Star.  

http://www.legacy.com/KansasCity/DeathNotices.asp?
Page=Lifestory&PersonId=86208199


The family will greet friends from 6-8 PM Wednesday, January 31 at 
Mt. Moriah Terrace Park Funeral Home. A Celebration of Life service 
will be held at 1:00 PM Thursday, February 1, at First United 
Methodist Church of North Kansas City; burial in Mt. Moriah Terrace 
Park Cemetery. In lieu of flowers, the family suggests contributions 
to the Church's Elevator Fund. (Arr: Mt. Moriah Terrace Park 
816.734.5500). 

Our hearts go out to Mike and the family,

Joe

David, If you have the PST at the general meeting, I would like to 
borrow it for awhile. Thanks,  Pete

> Many of you may have noticed Mike's absence at some events lately.
> As many of you know, Mike Sterlling's mother has been ill. She
> passed away yesterday, Jan. 28th.  Mike is a true dynamo and exudes
> enthusiasm and a great passion for astronomy.


Indeed. Lets keep Vic's family and friend and Mike and his family and
friends in our prayers.

Mike Myer

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Gina Fedon" <antares@...> wrote:
> I assume any donations to StarGarden Foundation are mailed to you? 
Or could
> you please let me know who else, if that's the case?
> Thank you,


Yes.

Make checks payable to "Stargarden Foundation"

mail to:

Walt Robinson
c/o Stargarden Foundation
515 W Kump
Bonner Springs KS, 66012

Would it be possible for the presenters of tomorrow night's programs 
to put their PPT onto one computer.  This would facilite moving from 
one program to the next without swapping hardware. 

Multiple PPT's could be opened so that is only a matter of clicking to 
the next presentation.

Thanks,

Joe

My reaction precisely.  I spoke with him just before the general 
meeting about the next Southern Skies Star Party.

Jay

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Dick Harshaw" <dwharshaw@...> wrote:
>
> Stunned!
> 
>  
> 
> I just had dinner with Vic Saturday after the GM at Applebee's.  
> 
>  
> 
> Such a huge loss!  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Dick Harshaw
> 
> KC, MO
> 
>  
> 
> "Cosmologists are often in error, but never in dobut."  -- Lev 
Landau,
> 1908-1968
> 
>   _____  
> 
> From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Joe
> Wright
> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 1:41 PM
> To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [ASKC] Dear Friends
> 
>  
> 
> Dear Friends and Fellow ASKC Members:
> 
> It is with deepest regrets and sadness that I tell you that the 
club 
> has lost an outstanding member and avid astronomer of many years.
> 
> Vic Winter has passed away. 
> 
> Vic's many accomplishments include:
> Past President
> Helen A. Warkoczewski Award
> Mid-States Amateur of the Year
> Messier Club Awards
> Sunspotter
> 
> and a host of other honors and awards. Vic has been a presenter of 
> many monthly programs and a supporter of our outreach program.
> 
> Vic, you will be greatly missed.
> 
> I know your thoughts and prayers will be going out to the Winter 
> family. 
> 
> Sorrowfully,
> 
> Joe Wright
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

This is indeed Sad News. Vic was a leader. He was a natural teacher and good friend. He will be missed.
Although I never met Mike Sterling's Mother I feel that she must have been a Great Lady. She raised a Son like Mike Sterling.
Our Hearts go out to all family and friends during this time of sorrow. 
 
Clear Skies and Smooth Roads
Randy & Iris Thompson



----- Original Message ----
From: "Beucher, Jackie" <JBeucher@...>
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 3:20:19 PM
Subject: [ASKC] Vic Winter - Sad News.

Jen Winter just forwarded this email to me, for posting on the ASKC
egroup. Many of you spent time with Vic Saturday night at the ASKC
meeting, and to dinner afterward. Needless to say, we are all in shock.

Jackie Beucher

EMJ - Kansas City

800-821-2500

Fax: 816-241-3677

Computer Fax: 630-635-4043

It is with much sorrow that I must inform you of the passing of
a good friend, Vic Winter. He passed away in his sleep, Sunday morning,
January 28, 2007. He leaves behind his beloved daughter, Shadow Lynn
Winter; his wife, Jennifer; his two stepdaughters, Aerica and Libby and
brothers Mark and Dan. A memorial service will be held at
Sweeny-Phillips Funeral home in Warrensburg, MO 660-747-9114 Saturday,
February 3rd at 1:00pm. The family is asking in lieu of flowers, for
donations to be made to the StarGarden Foundation. 

He was the founder of StarGarden Foundation, an organization
dedicated to astronomical outreach. His passion for astronomy brought
him to all corners of the globe to photograph the sky. He enjoyed a
long and decorated career as a newspaper photographer and photo editor
with the Kansas City Star. He brought both of those passions to Bolivia,
leading the Southern Skies Star Party at Lake Titicaca, where he was "El
Padron" or godfather, organizing donations for the local school and
community.

He was an owner of ICSTARS Astronomy, www.icstars. com
<http://www.icstars. com/> , and DayStar Filters. He was a JPL Nasa Solar
System Ambassador, past editor of the Astronomical League Reflector
Magazine, a decorated member of and former president of the Astronomical
Society of Kansas City. Vic has given thousands of public talks and
demonstrations on astronomy through the ASKC and StarGarden Foundation.

Through his generosity, outreach and photography, Vic's impact
in the midwest, the US and across the globe was immeasurable.

DayStar Filters LLC - www.DayStarFilters. com
<http://www.daystarf ilters.com/> ICSTARS Astronomy - www.ICSTARS. com
<http://www.icstars. com/> StarGarden Foundation -
www.StarGardenFound ation.org
<http://www.stargard enfoundation. org/> 

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Anyone have a nice pic of Vic for the CM?
M

Marsha:  I'll see what I can find in my files and send you one.

Tom Martinez

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, Marcia Young <mryoung@...> wrote:
>
> Anyone have a nice pic of Vic for the CM?
> M
>

We are so terribly sorry to hear this bad news. Linda and I had a lengthy
conversation with Vic at the meeting last Saturday night and also at
Applebee's after the meeting. Vic was a great astronomy ambassador wherever
he went and this is an awful loss to all of us as well as the hobby we love.
His death leaves a very large void in all our lives. Our thoughts and
prayers go out to Mark, Dan, Jennifer, Aerica, Libby and Shadow.

Linda and Gary

We are sorry to hear of your loss Mike. The loss of a parent is a tough pill
to swallow. I hope she passed without suffering. Please accept our
condolences and hang in there. The pain eases with time. You and your family
are in our prayers.

Linda and Gary

Mike,
Our prayers are with you on your loss. 
Karen and Dick Trentman


-------------- Original message from mikekansascity@...: -------------- 


> ICStars was my first star party. Vic friendliness, patience, and 
> encouragement were instrumental in my astronomy initiation. You'll be missed 
> Vic. 
> Mike Sterling 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links 
> 
> 
> 

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-Mike-- Our prayers are with you and your Dad.  Larry and Sharon


-- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Wright" <jswright@...> wrote:
>
> Many of you may have noticed Mike's absence at some events 
lately.  
> As many of you know, Mike Sterlling's mother has been ill. She 
> passed away yesterday, Jan. 28th.  Mike is a true dynamo and 
exudes 
> enthusiasm and a great passion for astronomy.
> 
> 
> During this time of sadness, we all will be expressing our 
sympathy 
> and prayers to Mike and the Sterling family.  Below is an excerpt 
> from the Kansas City Star.  
> 
> http://www.legacy.com/KansasCity/DeathNotices.asp?
> Page=Lifestory&PersonId=86208199
> 
> 
> The family will greet friends from 6-8 PM Wednesday, January 31 at 
> Mt. Moriah Terrace Park Funeral Home. A Celebration of Life 
service 
> will be held at 1:00 PM Thursday, February 1, at First United 
> Methodist Church of North Kansas City; burial in Mt. Moriah 
Terrace 
> Park Cemetery. In lieu of flowers, the family suggests 
contributions 
> to the Church's Elevator Fund. (Arr: Mt. Moriah Terrace Park 
> 816.734.5500). 
> 
> Our hearts go out to Mike and the family,
> 
> Joe
>

I was not only saddened when I heard of Vic's death, but was totally 
shocked! He was too young for this to happen to such an outstanding 
young man.

Vic had many friends, not only in his home town, but all over the 
world. I know his friends, especially in Bolivia, are going to miss 
him.

Vic had a special skill with a camera, and I will surely miss seeing 
the images he would have created.

His passing away at the time of a great comet reminded me of a 
Shakespeare quote from Julius Ceaser:

"When beggars die there are no comets seen;
The heavens themselves blaze forth the death of princes." 

Comet McNaught is now visible all night in the southern hemisphere.  
Since Vic enjoyed taking pictures of aurora and comets, I'm sure he 
would have enjoyed seeing a picture of the comet, the Milky Way and 
aurora.

Go the bottom of this page to see it:
http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~mkyoneto/star/mcnaught.htm

I will miss you friend, and prince.

Tom Martinez

>
> 67 hours and 14 minutes.  Man.  The hamster wheels must have broken
> down.
>

The Yahoo site had a message that they were having some problems and
messages might be delayed. They were right!

I sit her in school in Paola early this morning after coming in from Olathe.I am in shock.Oy veh!!
I can't believe this. 
I had just talked to Vic at the meeting at length. 
I had just  handed to him his AL Comet Silver award that I wanted to get to him Saturday night . I was so pleased to get it to him and he looked at it fondly.
I told him how his pictures on the award certificates  really make these awards even more special and I really appreciated him loaning us the pictures for the awards. 
Now I will remember him with each certificate I send out as well. 
 
 We then talked a number of minutes about his photos, eclipse stuff, life and stuff. He asked how I was doing (with my past stroke ) and he said he was feeling fine (with his stuff). 
 
We planned after that night to put together a slide show for the next meeting of Comet McNaught. We talked about the photos we took and came up with some good ideas and he said he would start on the presentation and I would send him some to start off and keep in touch by email to get it going. He has several good photos he said and I said well we should start working on it. I talked to him about some other things. I thought about going to Applebees after the meeting to talk to him further but did not know where it was. I wished I had made it there.:(
 
I will start the slide show . It will be  in honor of Vic especially . I will have to get some of the pictures from Jen . If anyone else wants to send me their comet photos I will assemble them for presentation.
 
I am in shock.
 
 
Dr.Eric Flescher
 
 
 
5a. Vic Winter - Sad News.
    Posted by: "Beucher, Jackie" JBeucher@... jackiebeucher
    Date: Mon Jan 29, 2007 1:21 pm ((PST))

Jen Winter just forwarded this email to me, for posting on the ASKC
egroup.   Many of you spent time with Vic Saturday night at the ASKC
meeting, and to dinner afterward.  Needless to say, we are all in shock.




      Jackie Beucher

    EMJ - Kansas City

       800-821-2500

     Fax: 816-241-3677

Computer Fax: 630-635-4043



    It is with much sorrow that I must inform you of the passing of
a good friend, Vic Winter.  He passed away in his sleep, Sunday morning,
January 28, 2007.   He leaves behind his beloved daughter, Shadow Lynn
Winter; his wife, Jennifer;  his two stepdaughters, Aerica and Libby and
brothers Mark and Dan.  A memorial service will be held at
Sweeny-Phillips Funeral home in Warrensburg, MO  660-747-9114 Saturday,
February 3rd at 1:00pm.  The family is asking in lieu of flowers, for
donations to be made to the StarGarden Foundation. 
    
    He was the founder of StarGarden Foundation, an organization
dedicated to astronomical outreach.  His passion for astronomy brought
him to all corners of the globe to photograph the sky.  He enjoyed a
long and decorated career as a newspaper photographer and photo editor
with the Kansas City Star. He brought both of those passions to Bolivia,
leading the Southern Skies Star Party at Lake Titicaca, where he was "El
Padron" or godfather, organizing donations for the local school and
community.
    
    He was an owner of ICSTARS Astronomy, www.icstars.com
<http://www.icstars.com/> , and DayStar Filters. He was a JPL Nasa Solar
System Ambassador, past editor of the Astronomical League Reflector
Magazine, a decorated member of and former president of the Astronomical
Society of Kansas City.  Vic has given thousands of public talks and
demonstrations on astronomy through the ASKC and StarGarden Foundation.
    
    Through his generosity, outreach and photography, Vic's impact
in the midwest, the US and across the globe was immeasurable.


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Vic and I had been sharing information about the comet as well.  In 
fact, the one image I have of it, he "fixed" for me using Photoshop 
as I had no idea how to do it.  Our passion for solar observing and 
outreach brought us to work together and often we would send e-mails 
back and forth about solar events.  I learned so very much from him 
over the last few years since we first met at Okie Tex.  It is hard 
to believe I won't get another e-mail about a solar flare or a link 
to a neat image from him......

Neta

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, KCStarguy@... wrote:
>
> I sit her in school in Paola early this morning after coming in 
from Olathe.I am in shock.Oy veh!!
> I can't believe this. 
> I had just talked to Vic at the meeting at length. 
> I had just  handed to him his AL Comet Silver award that I wanted 
to get to him Saturday night . I was so pleased to get it to him and 
he looked at it fondly.
> I told him how his pictures on the award certificates  really make 
these awards even more special and I really appreciated him loaning 
us the pictures for the awards. 
> Now I will remember him with each certificate I send out as well. 
>  
>  We then talked a number of minutes about his photos, eclipse 
stuff, life and stuff. He asked how I was doing (with my past 
stroke ) and he said he was feeling fine (with his stuff). 
>  
> We planned after that night to put together a slide show for the 
next meeting of Comet McNaught. We talked about the photos we took 
and came up with some good ideas and he said he would start on the 
presentation and I would send him some to start off and keep in 
touch by email to get it going. He has several good photos he said 
and I said well we should start working on it. I talked to him about 
some other things. I thought about going to Applebees after the 
meeting to talk to him further but did not know where it was. I 
wished I had made it there.:(
>  
> I will start the slide show . It will be  in honor of Vic 
especially . I will have to get some of the pictures from Jen . If 
anyone else wants to send me their comet photos I will assemble them 
for presentation.
>  
> I am in shock.
>  
>  
> Dr.Eric Flescher
>  
>  
>  
> 5a. Vic Winter - Sad News.
>     Posted by: "Beucher, Jackie" JBeucher@... jackiebeucher
>     Date: Mon Jan 29, 2007 1:21 pm ((PST))
> 
> Jen Winter just forwarded this email to me, for posting on the ASKC
> egroup.   Many of you spent time with Vic Saturday night at the 
ASKC
> meeting, and to dinner afterward.  Needless to say, we are all in 
shock.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>       Jackie Beucher
> 
>     EMJ - Kansas City
> 
>        800-821-2500
> 
>      Fax: 816-241-3677
> 
> Computer Fax: 630-635-4043
> 
> 
> 
>     It is with much sorrow that I must inform you of the passing of
> a good friend, Vic Winter.  He passed away in his sleep, Sunday 
morning,
> January 28, 2007.   He leaves behind his beloved daughter, Shadow 
Lynn
> Winter; his wife, Jennifer;  his two stepdaughters, Aerica and 
Libby and
> brothers Mark and Dan.  A memorial service will be held at
> Sweeny-Phillips Funeral home in Warrensburg, MO  660-747-9114 
Saturday,
> February 3rd at 1:00pm.  The family is asking in lieu of flowers, 
for
> donations to be made to the StarGarden Foundation. 
>     
>     He was the founder of StarGarden Foundation, an organization
> dedicated to astronomical outreach.  His passion for astronomy 
brought
> him to all corners of the globe to photograph the sky.  He enjoyed 
a
> long and decorated career as a newspaper photographer and photo 
editor
> with the Kansas City Star. He brought both of those passions to 
Bolivia,
> leading the Southern Skies Star Party at Lake Titicaca, where he 
was "El
> Padron" or godfather, organizing donations for the local school and
> community.
>     
>     He was an owner of ICSTARS Astronomy, www.icstars.com
> <http://www.icstars.com/> , and DayStar Filters. He was a JPL Nasa 
Solar
> System Ambassador, past editor of the Astronomical League Reflector
> Magazine, a decorated member of and former president of the 
Astronomical
> Society of Kansas City.  Vic has given thousands of public talks 
and
> demonstrations on astronomy through the ASKC and StarGarden 
Foundation.
>     
>     Through his generosity, outreach and photography, Vic's impact
> in the midwest, the US and across the globe was immeasurable.
> 
> 
> DayStar Filters LLC - www.DayStarFilters.com
> <http://www.daystarfilters.com/> ICSTARS Astronomy - 
www.ICSTARS.com
> <http://www.icstars.com/> StarGarden Foundation -
> www.StarGardenFoundation.org
> <http://www.stargardenfoundation.org/>         
> 
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> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Mike,

My family and I will have you in our thoughts.  Best wishes to you 
and your family.

Neta

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Wright" <jswright@...> wrote:
>
> Many of you may have noticed Mike's absence at some events 
lately.  
> As many of you know, Mike Sterlling's mother has been ill. She 
> passed away yesterday, Jan. 28th.  Mike is a true dynamo and 
exudes 
> enthusiasm and a great passion for astronomy.
> 
> 
> During this time of sadness, we all will be expressing our 
sympathy 
> and prayers to Mike and the Sterling family.  Below is an excerpt 
> from the Kansas City Star.  
> 
> http://www.legacy.com/KansasCity/DeathNotices.asp?
> Page=Lifestory&PersonId=86208199
> 
> 
> The family will greet friends from 6-8 PM Wednesday, January 31 at 
> Mt. Moriah Terrace Park Funeral Home. A Celebration of Life 
service 
> will be held at 1:00 PM Thursday, February 1, at First United 
> Methodist Church of North Kansas City; burial in Mt. Moriah 
Terrace 
> Park Cemetery. In lieu of flowers, the family suggests 
contributions 
> to the Church's Elevator Fund. (Arr: Mt. Moriah Terrace Park 
> 816.734.5500). 
> 
> Our hearts go out to Mike and the family,
> 
> Joe
>

 Possibly many still don't know that for the comet observers award 
 
you can use either (or mix and match)
 
(1) CCD photo images 
(2) regular camera printed
(3) sketches
 
People who want to show off their McNaught pics for the presentation can send me a scanned /gif  or jpeg to put in the presentation. All participants will have full copyright to their work and this will be noted in the presentation.
 
Included date, time, what camera, ASA, lenses , where , etc you used and additional information
 
? let me know
 
Dr.Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...)
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Larry, Randy and I went to Powell yesterday and finished the intallation of the new steel roller supports.

After the new posts were installed the drive tire did not contact the drive tube/pipe. Hmmm. Several plans have been considered including a larger tire and wheel, cutting the massive mounting plate in two and welding it back with a spacer, and other other hair brained schemes. While I was up on the ladder looking at it for the 11 zillionth time, I aimed a light down the inside of the wall. Hmmmm...the mounting channels are bolted to the 2X6 studs with just four 3/8" bolts. Not only that but the mounting channels are slotted. Moe, Larry and Curly (you decide who goes with which nickname) loosened the bolts and and used a floor jack to raise the entire drive mechanism so the drive tire would engage the tube.

Now that the walls are no longer in danger of collapse all that is left is the get the tube ring circular.

Kurt will announce the date for the next work party.

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Folks, 

I'd be happy to give anyone a ride Saturday from Overland Park & Olathe area to Warrensburg for Vic's memorial service. And glad for the company.

Please just contact me off-line at dhudgins@....  I guess we would leave about 11:30 am.

Dave H. 



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Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the ASKC 
group.

  File        : /new shelter.JPG 
  Uploaded by : stripe1966 <s.kranz1@...> 
  Description : new shelter at DSS delivered Monday morning 

You can access this file at the URL:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ASKC/files/new%20shelter.JPG 

To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
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Regards,

stripe1966 <s.kranz1@...>
 

A new 26'x18' shelter was delivered and build at the DSS early Monday 
morning (they called me Sunday evening, Larry).  It was placed just 
north of the existing 21'x18' shelter.  They are spaced about 2 feet 
apart.  Since there is about a 2 to 3 inch layer of ice beneath the 
ground beams, it may have to be re-leveled once it warms up.

The entire observing field is under about 2 inches of ice.

on another note...... I guess that whenever we go into the DSS we have 
to close the gate behind us.  The carport crew and I were there for 
about 30 minutes before 2 trucks came over the hill, seen us, and 
buzzed back around and took off in a hurry.  What's the deal?  Looking 
for hunting spots or just an open field to play with the truck on ice?

-scott

Scott,
That new shelter is going to make a big differences!  What an add-on!
With the new restrooms and power, just bring some food and water and anyone
can stay for days! (or is that nights)

Did they do anything with the older shelter?


THANKS SCOTT!!


-Dave


-----Original Message-----
From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 11:25 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] New file uploaded to ASKC


Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been
uploaded to the Files area of the ASKC group.

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Regards,

stripe1966 <s.kranz1@...>
 

No, the old one is still there just south of the new one.

And Larry, the angled brace pieces on this shelter are even shorter than on the first one!  So we will defintely need to use the pipe you had for reforcing against the wind.

-scott

--
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-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: "Dave Fox" <sm20@foxstar-mo.com> 
Scott,
That new shelter is going to make a big differences! What an add-on!
With the new restrooms and power, just bring some food and water and anyone
can stay for days! (or is that nights)

Did they do anything with the older shelter?

THANKS SCOTT!!

-Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 11:25 AM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ASKC] New file uploaded to ASKC

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been
uploaded to the Files area of the ASKC group.

File : /new shelter.JPG 
Uploaded by : stripe1966 <s.kranz1@...>
Description : new shelter at DSS delivered Monday morning 

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new shelter & location looks great guys - THANK YOU
Mike Sterling


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 messier marathon- when is it? at dark sky site?
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: Kristi Howery 
To: dhudgins@... 
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 12:29 PM
Subject: Astronomy help


Hi, my name is Kristi Howery and I am a 5/6th grade teacher at Urban Community Leadership Academy Charter School in Kansas City.  My school has received a grant from the Kaufman Foundation in order to implement Expeditionary Learning in our school.  With Expeditionary Learning, the students do in-depth investigations and expeditions.  My class is currently working on an expedition entitled "To Infinity and Beyond" which is over the solar system.  Part of Expeditionary Learning is having experts come and talk to the students.  I am looking for experts in astronomy that would be willing to come talk to my students about astronomers, telescopes (they want to see a telescope and know how it works), constellations, planets, and other things that are related to astronomy.  If you or someone you know would be willing to come visit my school, please let me know.  

Thank you!
 
Kristi Howery
5th grade teacher at Urban Community Leadership Academy Charter School









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I think something could be arranged for this.  :)

Neta

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "David Young" <dyoung8@...> wrote:
>
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Kristi Howery 
> To: dhudgins@... 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 12:29 PM
> Subject: Astronomy help
> 
> 
> Hi, my name is Kristi Howery and I am a 5/6th grade teacher at 
Urban Community Leadership Academy Charter School in Kansas City.  
My school has received a grant from the Kaufman Foundation in order 
to implement Expeditionary Learning in our school.  With 
Expeditionary Learning, the students do in-depth investigations and 
expeditions.  My class is currently working on an expedition 
entitled "To Infinity and Beyond" which is over the solar system.  
Part of Expeditionary Learning is having experts come and talk to 
the students.  I am looking for experts in astronomy that would be 
willing to come talk to my students about astronomers, telescopes 
(they want to see a telescope and know how it works), 
constellations, planets, and other things that are related to 
astronomy.  If you or someone you know would be willing to come 
visit my school, please let me know.  
> 
> Thank you!
>  
> Kristi Howery
> 5th grade teacher at Urban Community Leadership Academy Charter 
School
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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>

thanks
On Jan 30, 2007, at 2:49 AM, tom_j_martinez wrote:

> I was not only saddened when I heard of Vic's death, but was totally
>  shocked! He was too young for this to happen to such an outstanding
>  young man.
>
>  Vic had many friends, not only in his home town, but all over the
>  world. I know his friends, especially in Bolivia, are going to miss
>  him.
>
>  Vic had a special skill with a camera, and I will surely miss seeing
>  the images he would have created.
>
>  His passing away at the time of a great comet reminded me of a
>  Shakespeare quote from Julius Ceaser:
>
>  "When beggars die there are no comets seen;
>  The heavens themselves blaze forth the death of princes."
>
>  Comet McNaught is now visible all night in the southern hemisphere.
>  Since Vic enjoyed taking pictures of aurora and comets, I'm sure he
>  would have enjoyed seeing a picture of the comet, the Milky Way and
>  aurora.
>
>  Go the bottom of this page to see it:
> http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~mkyoneto/star/mcnaught.htm
>
>  I will miss you friend, and prince.
>
>  Tom Martinez
>
>  
>   

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Both Bev and I are sadden to hear about loss of both the Winter's and 
Sterling's families.  We will keep both in our prayers.
Paul and Bev Thompson
 
--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Wright" <jswright@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Friends and Fellow ASKC Members:
> 
> It is with deepest regrets and sadness that I tell you that the 
club 
> has lost an outstanding member and avid astronomer of many years.
> 
> Vic Winter has passed away.  
> 
> Vic's many accomplishments include:
> Past President
> Helen A. Warkoczewski Award
> Mid-States Amateur of the Year
> Messier Club Awards
> Sunspotter
> 
> and a host of other honors and awards.  Vic has been a presenter of 
> many monthly programs and a supporter of our outreach program.
> 
> Vic, you will be greatly missed.
> 
> I know your thoughts and prayers will be going out to the Winter 
> family.  
> 
> Sorrowfully,
> 
> Joe Wright
>

This is from Jen....    Jackie

 

 

Dear Fellow ASKC'ers,

   I want to thank you for your very kind words and well wishes in
recent days.  As you can imagine, it has made a big impact for our
family; and so good to know we are surrounded by those who care.   You
have always been the family our family never had.   If I've been absent
or aloof, it is that we are all out here getting through the formalities
and practicalities of what comes now, while at the same time taking the
time to mourn this surprise.   

  I thought maybe I should speak to the issue of logistics on Vic's
services.  As everyone is aware by now, there will be a service at the
Sweeny-Phillips Holdren funeral home in Warrensburg at 1:00pm.   It's on
the main street of Warrensburg, 3 buildings south of the first light
crossing Young Street - on the left or east side of the street.  It's
light yellow, with a big drive-through bay Exit.  Parking is behind the
home, accessed by the lane beyond the home.    

  Now, we don't really know much about what to expect for attendance or
schedule for the service.  We'll be a bit 'outside the box'.   There
will be no viewing, obviously, but we want to extend the opportunity for
people to add a few words of their own, if they wish.  If you would like
to say something, please step forward before Saturday, so we can
appreciate a schedule.   As deeply as Vic was loved in local astronomy,
we must also remember that he earned the adoration of people in all
sorts of different walks of life around the world.  We are hearing from
some who will be flying in; and know of many from the Newspaper and
personal relationships that will join us too.    

  I understand that we can't know if we'll see 50 or 500 friends at the
services, and that's a little exciting.  I can't wait to see each and
every one of you.   I also expect that a few minutes in a crowded
funeral home will leave many who were close to Vic wishing to share more
time together.   While I am not prepared to organize a formal
reception-style event, I would hope that you feel welcome here at the
Ranch.   Our door is open for you.  All of you.  

  To simplify my obligations, please understand that I have been
communicating with Jackie about things which relate to ASKC here.  She
is taking on a good sized obligation, but she has broad shoulders.  I
hope that any organizational issues you individually or collectively
work out, that you know that I feel so thankful to have support and
camaraderie of our ASKC family.    Thank you for everything. 

  I also wanted to mention that Monday morning, when I was out, taking
care of the clinical details one must, I happened to glance up to the
sky and see it utterly overflowing with clouds scattering glorious
crepuscular-like rays horizon to horizon.  I hurried back home to shoot
a picture... I figure that's my job now.   I'll try to get it posted
quickly.  

Love to all,
jen & family 





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<http://www.daystarfilters.com/> ICSTARS Astronomy - www.ICSTARS.com
<http://www.icstars.com/> StarGarden Foundation -
www.StarGardenFoundation.org
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One other area where Jen will need help perhaps will be transporting
people that fly in from out of town.  Jen knows of a few people who are
flying in from other parts of the country.   We have no specifics yet,
but if you could help along those lines, please reply to me here at the
office - jbeucher@....   

      Jackie Beucher
    EMJ - Kansas City
       800-821-2500
     Fax: 816-241-3677
Computer Fax: 630-635-4043



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  Posted by: "Beucher, Jackie" JBeucher@... jackiebeucher
    Date: Wed Jan 31, 2007 5:01 am ((PST))

This is from Jen....    Jackie 

Dear Fellow ASKC'ers,

   I want to thank you for your very kind words and well wishes in
recent days.  As you can imagine, it has made a big impact for our
family; and so good to know we are surrounded by those who care.   You
have always been the family our family never had.   If I've been absent
or aloof, it is that we are all out here getting through the formalities
and practicalities of what comes now, while at the same time taking the
time to mourn this surprise.   

  I thought maybe I should speak to the issue of logistics on Vic's
services.  As everyone is aware by now, there will be a service at the
Sweeny-Phillips Holdren funeral home in Warrensburg at 1:00pm.   It's on
the main street of Warrensburg, 3 buildings south of the first light
crossing Young Street - on the left or east side of the street.  It's
light yellow, with a big drive-through bay Exit.  Parking is behind the
home, accessed by the lane beyond the home.    

  Now, we don't really know much about what to expect for attendance or
schedule for the service.  We'll be a bit 'outside the box'.   There
will be no viewing, obviously, but we want to extend the opportunity for
people to add a few words of their own, if they wish.  If you would like
to say something, please step forward before Saturday, so we can
appreciate a schedule.   As deeply as Vic was loved in local astronomy,
we must also remember that he earned the adoration of people in all
sorts of different walks of life around the world.  We are hearing from
some who will be flying in; and know of many from the Newspaper and
personal relationships that will join us too.    

  I understand that we can't know if we'll see 50 or 500 friends at the
services, and that's a little exciting.  I can't wait to see each and
every one of you.   I also expect that a few minutes in a crowded
funeral home will leave many who were close to Vic wishing to share more
time together.   While I am not prepared to organize a formal
reception-style event, I would hope that you feel welcome here at the
Ranch.   Our door is open for you.  All of you.  

  To simplify my obligations, please understand that I have been
communicating with Jackie about things which relate to ASKC here.  She
is taking on a good sized obligation, but she has broad shoulders.  I
hope that any organizational issues you individually or collectively
work out, that you know that I feel so thankful to have support and
camaraderie of our ASKC family.    Thank you for everything. 

  I also wanted to mention that Monday morning, when I was out, taking
care of the clinical details one must, I happened to glance up to the
sky and see it utterly overflowing with clouds scattering glorious
crepuscular-like rays horizon to horizon.  I hurried back home to shoot
a picture... I figure that's my job now.   I'll try to get it posted
quickly.  

Love to all,
jen & family 





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<http://www.daystarfilters.com/> ICSTARS Astronomy - www.ICSTARS.com
<http://www.icstars.com/> StarGarden Foundation -
www.StarGardenFoundation.org
<http://www.stargardenfoundation.org/>         
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I noticed many of Vic's accomplishments. Does anyone know and can send me any more? He helped produce that weather sky book too,
I will add the Silver Comet Observers Award that I handed to him last Saturday night as we talked.
Dr.Eric Flescher
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> Vic's many accomplishments include:
> Past President
> Helen A. Warkoczewski Award
> Mid-States Amateur of the Year
> Messier Club Awards
> Sunspotter
> 
> and a host of other honors and awards.  Vic has been a presenter of 
> many monthly programs and a supporter of our outreach program.
> 
> Vic, you will be greatly missed.
> 
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Eric,   
Is there some valid reason you echo (repeat) the comments of others on ASKC?  It looks like Jen has asked or accepted Jackie to be her contact with ASKC and others on this yahoogroups.  The extra messages just tie up space on our emails.  I realize that you may have other sevices and sending the messages about Vic to them is fine.  But I would think it unneccessary to "copy and repeat it" on groups that have already posted the notices.   Your "multiple signature lines" add a full page of extra mail alone.
Just curious,  dt


-------------- Original message from KCStarguy@...: -------------- 
> Copied and reposted by KCStarguy
------------------
> Posted by: "Beucher, Jackie" JBeucher@... jackiebeucher 
> Date: Wed Jan 31, 2007 5:01 am ((PST)) 
> 
> This is from Jen.... Jackie 
> 
> Dear Fellow ASKC'ers, 
> 
> I want to thank you for your very kind words and well wishes in 
> 

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The back of the club directory has a listing of many awards winners. Vic is
listed in most if you care to compile a list.
Vic was also Observatory Director for two years.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <KCStarguy@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: <kcstarguy@...>
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 10:11 AM
Subject: [ASKC] Vic's accomplishments list


> I noticed many of Vic's accomplishments. Does anyone know and can send me
any more? He helped produce that weather sky book too,
> I will add the Silver Comet Observers Award that I handed to him last
Saturday night as we talked.
> Dr.Eric Flescher
> **
>
>
> > Vic's many accomplishments include:
> > Past President
> > Helen A. Warkoczewski Award
> > Mid-States Amateur of the Year
> > Messier Club Awards
> > Sunspotter
> >
> > and a host of other honors and awards.  Vic has been a presenter of
> > many monthly programs and a supporter of our outreach program.
> >
> > Vic, you will be greatly missed.
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Its going to be 15 to 20 degrees Saturday and there may be a lot of people going to the ranch after the service.

A request has been made for some provision for an overflow area if there isn't enough room in the building. 

Joe and I plan to set up an enclosure outside the ranch building on Saturday morning. Joe has canopys but they are open sided. We need a bunch of tarps and one or two people to help with the set up.

If you can help us out with some tarps or help with the set up please contact me.


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I just listened to a podi-book called Singularity. This was a fun book to
listen to while I drive to and from work each day.


What if the cataclysmic Tunguska explosion of 1908 was caused, not by a
meteor or a comet, but by a microscopic black hole?

http://www.podiobooks.com/podiobooks/book.php?ID=61

-dave

If that were the case, why isn't it still sucking... or maybe it is.... and no one has come back (excaped) to report on it.
dt

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> I just listened to a podi-book called Singularity. This was a fun book to 
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This brings up a popular misconception.  Black holes don't suck!
 
If the Sun collapsed this instant into a black hole we would get pretty cold and dark in around 8 minutes but we would NEVER get "sucked in".  The black hole would affect spacetime the same way as the original Sun did, and we would continue to orbit once per year just as before! 
 
I think microscopic black holes have been postulated to (possibly) be created in high-energy particle collisions, but they are predicted to be very unstable (i.e. evaporate almost as soon as they are created) and not dangerous.
 
-Dave Dembinski
 
 
 
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If that were the case, why isn't it still sucking... or maybe it is.... and no one has come back (excaped) to report on it.
dt

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> I just listened to a podi-book called Singularity. This was a fun book to 
> listen to while I drive to and from work each day. 
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> If that were the case, why isn't it still sucking... or maybe it is....
and no one has come back (excaped) to report on it.
> dt


Yeah, what you said!
Its pretty much accepted that the butterfly pattern indicates an air burst
of some kind. Why would a mini black hole explode. Wouldn't it just pull in
all matter it encountered and grow larger as is pulled in atoms and
molecules of nitrogen, oxygen and trace elements. If its path didn't take it
into the earth it would have left a hell of a wake through the atmosphere
and should have produced a thunderclap along the entire path, not centered
in Tunguska. If its path took it into the earth it would have bored a
constantly enlarging hole as it gained mass. It would have accelerated at
first, slow down as it neared the core due to the gravity of the mass above
it, and then slowed some more as it went on.  At 10 miles per second, a
reasonable speed for inter stellar motion, it could  take over 13 minutes to
pass through the earth. It would have plenty of time to suck in a lot of
mass as it passed through and gain catastrophic mass.

Then again I'm just a well driller not rocket scientist.

Here is the integral for determing the Event Horizon:

 
 
d(E)=limits from t(0) to infinity [{c/a(t)}dt]

a is scale factor
c is of course the speed of light
t0 us tge age if age if the universe



Yeah, a break from doing work work.

Joe

Assumie the mini black hole was stable and did not almost instantly decay.

Ok, what we really need to know is how big is the event horizon of a mini
black hole before it encounters the atmosphere and how fast would the black
hole gain matter as it encountered molecules in the air. In case it plows
into the earth we need to know how often it would encounter atoms in rock.
This should keep you busy for a while. Let me know this afternoon what you
come up with.

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We will not need the tarps. There will not be a tent.

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How much buttered popcorn do we need to watch this event???

Joe

The after memorial gathering will be at the house (front building) of the ranch and should begin around 2:00 PM on Saturday.

Directions to the ranch. Go north on Missouri 13 3.6 miles from US 50 to Missouri Oo (also known as NW 450th Road. Go west on Oo 1.4 miles to the driveway on the right (north). The house is the first building on the left as you go up the drive.

For you GPS folks
38 degrees 49 minute 45 seconds
93 degrees 46 minutes 8 seconds 

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If some of you would care to bring some food or refreshments to the ranch after the memorial I'm sure we may need them. Some people have already committed to bring some things.

So far we have the following commitments for consumables

         Joe Wright   coffee urn and hot water urn for tea, pasta and meatballs
         J allen           cole slaw
         Machin       coconut cookies or brownies
         Pittmans     veggies
         Goodes     rolls and potato salad
         Martinez    baked beans and assorted chips        
         Youngs     ice tea and lemonade in the club's coolers
                150 plates, bowls, cups, plastic forks and spoons, paper towels
                some ASKC paper goods as a backup in case I didn't get enough
                5 pounds of assorted meat. We have some disposable aluminum serving pans for the meat.

We don't know how many people to expect so if you want to add to the above it might be a good idea to make it something that would keep until the next GM if it isn't used Saturday.

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Jen Winter has decided that the gathering after the memorial will NOT be at the American Legion. It will be at the ranch. It took her a bit of anquish to make this decision and we should all respect her wishes on this matter.


At 02:06 PM 2/1/2007, you wrote:

  From David Young
  So there's no confussion, we are definitely going to use the main house at the ranch, right?
   
  As soon as I get your decision I'll let others know and start on some map handouts and other logistics.

  Reply from Jen Winter

  YES.  It will be at the House.  The front building. I will have a number of 'artifacts', photos, books and things people will enjoy sharing.  If we have sun, we'll peek through some solar filters. 




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A part of the obituary service provided by the Kansas City Star is an  on 
line guest book.  For Vic, comments can be viewed and added at:
 
_http://www.legacy.com/KansasCity/GB/GuestbookView.aspx?PersonId=86228300_ 
(http://www.legacy.com/KansasCity/GB/GuestbookView.aspx?PersonId=86228300) 
 
Mike Sterling


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Jen has asked me to post this message.

She hasn't heard from any one who wants to say something at Vic's service.
Except me.   We were hoping for a few more.   She needs to know if you
wanted to say something..   Please email her at:  jen@....

Thanks.

Jackie

 

FOR THE E-GROUP:

I am having a final planning session with the Officiator of the ceremony
tomorrow (Friday) at noon about the order of services on Saturday.  This
is when we are setting out the schedule for what will be said when.   

That means if anyone has anything to say or that they want us to have
read, we need to know so; and know about what you plan to say before
noon tomorrow.   So far, I haven't had anyone step forward about this,
so I just need to remind everyone that we need to know if you want to
participate... time's about up.  

Please forward all of your communications regarding this to Jackie at
her work address "beucher, Jackie" <JBeucher@...> so she and I
can liaison before noon Friday.   After that, I will really be out of
communication, addressing logistical affairs. 

Thank you all for your support. 

jen




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The electronic version of the February Cosmic Messenger has been sent. 

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I'm off, but you knew that.

I'm headed to Sam's Club to pick up some stuff for tomorrow. Anyone come up with something I should get call my cell at 913-558-1155.

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  If some of you would care to bring some food or refreshments to the ranch after the memorial I'm sure we may need them. Some people have already committed to bring some things.

  The following people will provide: 

           Joe Wright   coffee urn and hot water urn for tea, pasta and meatballs
           J allen           cole slaw
           Machin       coconut cookies, brownies, cake
           Pittmans     veggies
           Goodes     rolls and potato salad
           Sterling     2 Nancy's spirals, fruit bowl
           Martinez    baked beans and assorted chips        
           Youngs     ice tea and lemonade in the club's coolers
                  150 plates, bowls, cups, plastic forks and spoons, paper towels
                  I'll bring some ASKC paper goods as a backup in case I didn't get enough but will pay for anything used
                  5 pounds of assorted meat. disposable aluminum serving pans for the meat.
                  ice

  After thoughts
  Some trash bags?

  We don't know how many people to expect so if you want to add to the above it might be a good idea to make it something that would keep until the next GM if it isn't used Saturday.



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Dan Bush:  Fantastic photo of the full moon and farmhouse you have 
posted on SpaceWeather.com for today, Feb. 2.  I love the composition.  
Perfect timing for just the right lighting.

I missed the full moon rising, but did see the great halo around it 
later on.

Tom Martinez

I wish I'd have known him long enough or well enough to speak.  I know  he 
must have been a wonderful man.
God bless those that are mourning.  Karen  R.


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What was his age?  (Karen Rice.


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I think around 53 or so, but I am not certain.

 

 

Dick Harshaw

KC, MO

 

"Cosmologists are often in error, but never in dobut."  -- Lev Landau,
1908-1968

 

 

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From: ASKC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASKC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Karlar7@...
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 2:28 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Dear Friends

 

What was his age? (Karen Rice.

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Victor John Winter, age 53, of Warrensburg, Mo., passed away Sunday,  January 
28, 2007, at his home. He was born on June 11, 1953, in Columbus, Kan.,  the 
son of Jack and Maryann Winter.
 
per the on line obituary - you can view comments & leave one
 
_http://www.legacy.com/KansasCity/DeathNotices.asp?Page=LifeStory&PersonID=862
28300_ 
(http://www.legacy.com/KansasCity/DeathNotices.asp?Page=LifeStory&PersonID=86228300) 
 
Mike Sterling


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Dear Mike, Larry and I also send our sympathy to you and your family over  
the loss of your Mother.  We have both lost our Mother's in the not so  distant 
past.  Comfort comes from friends who are sent from  above.
Don't hesitate to call if you need anything that we can help with. God  Bless 
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 Comet discoverer David Levy suffers stroke
David Levy, one of the world's most prolific comet discoverers, has suffered 
a stroke. ... Levy moved to Arizona to pursue his interest in comet hunting. 
He has discovered or co-discovered 22 comets, is the author of more than 30 
books ...
NJ Night Sky - http://www.njnightsky.com/nuke/html


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It was difficult to get out the word to local newspapers, TVstations, 
USAtoday.
 Yes the comet caught us all by surprise. There was not much time for many of 
us to view it   before the comet got close to the Sun and could only be seen 
in the daytime(!) or   then the Southern Hemisphere . But those whosaw it here 
in Northern Hemisphere it was a nice show although not   as splendid as those 
in the south.
more here at this linked article below and earlier in January on my blog

 The brightest comet that nobody saw
The Republican - Springfield,MA,USA
Among the least predictable of celestial occurrences are comets. Last month, 
a comet did something truly remarkable: It went from being virtually unknown, 
...

http://www.masslive.com/living/republican/index.ssf?/base/living-1/1170408686138320.xml&coll=1

Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), Olathe, KS:   E.O.A.S. (Earth, Oceans, 
Atmosphere and Space) Blog -<http://eoas-dreric1kansas.blogspot.com/


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This was announced at the ASKC general meeting by his friend Vic Winter
Kathy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <KCStarguy@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>; <sun1dance@...>; <KCStarguy@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 10:40 AM
Subject: [ASKC] Comet discoverer David Levy suffers stroke


>
> Comet discoverer David Levy suffers stroke
> David Levy, one of the world's most prolific comet discoverers, has 
> suffered
> a stroke. ... Levy moved to Arizona to pursue his interest in comet 
> hunting.
> He has discovered or co-discovered 22 comets, is the author of more than 
> 30
> books ...
> NJ Night Sky - http://www.njnightsky.com/nuke/html
> 

> This was announced at the ASKC general meeting by his friend Vic Winter

I was not at the meeting and this was the first I had heard of David's
stroke so I am glad that someone passed the information along.

Mike Myer

Thank you, Tom.  I missed the halo as the thicker clouds moved in.  
Glad you got to see that part.    I have been replying to this message 
since yesterday but can't seem to get it saved to the message board. 
Hope this one makes it.  Must be something wrong with my settings.

In my previous messages I dedicated the photo to Vic Winter who was my 
inspiration  to get into this type of photography from the beginning. 
His front page photos in the Star really struck a chord with me.  He 
was the best.  He lives on in his photographs.

http://www.pbase.com/missouri_skies/image/73898282


http://www.pbase.com/missouri_skies/image/73844572

Dan Bush
Albany, Missouri

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "tom_j_martinez" <zenitrammot@...> wrote:
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> Dan Bush:  Fantastic photo of the full moon and farmhouse you have 
> posted on SpaceWeather.com for today, Feb. 2.  I love the 
composition.  
> Perfect timing for just the right lighting.
> 
> I missed the full moon rising, but did see the great halo around it 
> later on.
> 
> Tom Martinez
>

Yes, Thanks to Eric for passing the information along to those who might not 
have heard.
My comment did sound a bit snarky when I read it now. My intent would have 
been a bit clearer had I added a  preceding word :  "Ironically",
I am sorry if I once again offended someone.
Kathy

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From: "Mike & Kim Myer" <mdmyer@...>
To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Comet discoverer David Levy suffers stroke


>> This was announced at the ASKC general meeting by his friend Vic Winter
>
> I was not at the meeting and this was the first I had heard of David's
> stroke so I am glad that someone passed the information along.
>
> Mike Myer

Does anyone know anything more about how David Levy is doing?
 
The simple fact that he had a stroke gives very little information.
 
I heard David awoke with the problem.  This is the classic scenario for a thrombotic stroke (i.e. caused by blood clotting within the blood vessels in the brain).  The fact that his doctors put him on aspirin fits with this.
 
The final result of a stroke can vary greatly depending on the location and size of brain damage.  Some patients have only temporary minor clumsiness in one extremity that resolves fully; others can suffer severe perminent one-sided spastic paralysis coupled with the total inability to speak.
 
Hopefully this was not a career ending catastrophe for him.
 
-Dave Dembinski
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: KCStarguy@...
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com; sun1dance@...; KCStarguy@...
Sent: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 10:40 AM
Subject: [ASKC] Comet discoverer David Levy suffers stroke



Comet discoverer David Levy suffers stroke
David Levy, one of the world's most prolific comet discoverers, has suffered 
a stroke. ... Levy moved to Arizona to pursue his interest in comet hunting. 
He has discovered or co-discovered 22 comets, is the author of more than 30 
books ...
NJ Night Sky - http://www.njnightsky.com/nuke/html

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Kathy 
Yes I know. But this website had more specific information. Otherwise I would 
not have posted it. Just thought others might want to know.
Dr. Eric Flescher (kcstarguy@...), Olathe, KS(International Meteorite 
Collectors Association) :
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> 5b. Re: Comet discoverer David Levy suffers stroke
>     Posted by: "Kathy" kmachin@... darwinfan2001
>     Date: Sat Feb 3, 2007 9:43 am ((PST))
> 
> This was announced at the ASKC general meeting by his friend Vic Winter
> Kathy
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <KCStarguy@...>
> To: <ASKC@yahoogroups.com>; <sun1dance@...>; <KCStarguy@...>
> Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 10:40 AM
> Subject: [ASKC] Comet discoverer David Levy suffers stroke
> 
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> >
> > Comet discoverer David Levy suffers stroke
> > David Levy, one of the world's most prolific comet discoverers, has
> > suffered
> > a stroke. ... Levy moved to Arizona to pursue his interest in comet
> > hunting.
> > He has discovered or co-discovered 22 comets, is the author of more than
> > 30
> > books ...
> > NJ Night Sky - http://www.njnightsky.com/nuke/html
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Here is the message I received from Wendee 1/26.

Some of you receiving this letter have either spoken to David 
lately, or have received emails from him.  In any case, many of you 
noticed that something was not quite right, and have asked me about 
it.  Yesterday we found the answer and I thought you should know.  I 
really hate to keep sending these letters and have not kept people 
updated because it was beginning to sound like "The Boy Who Cried 
Wolf."  The effect of what began the end of July has been an ongoing 
test to our physical and emotional endurance.

Back to the problem.  About a week ago, David apparently suffered a 
stroke while he was sleeping.  (Not a TIA, but a stroke on the right 
side of his brain).  We found that out yesterday, Thursday.  It was 
obvious from his typing that he has lost some fine motor 
coordination, and his attention span was shortened.  Otherwise, he 
is not incapacitated, and his speech is sounding more normal now.  
Today will be filled with Doctor's appointments and labs to figure 
out exactly what caused the stoke and all the particulars about it.

Many of you will ask, what you can do to help.  My answer is, just 
pray that this is the final insult to David's body and that he truly 
recovers from here on out.

Thanks.

We love you guys.

Love,
Wendee

From what I understand, he is improving.  The week after Rita and I 
visited them in late September, Davis was to have neck surgery 
because of a problem with some discs.  

You thoughts, prayers and concerns are greatly appreciated.  They 
are some wonderful people.

Joe

I received a call today from Gary, while driving to Warrensburg, that 
his mother had passed away.  He wished he could have attended Vic's 
memorial, but he was making arrangements for his mom.

The visitation will be Monday night at 6 to 8pm.  The name of the 
funeral home escapes me at the moment.  It is at 39th and Hwy 291.

I will post more information when it is availible.

Our deepest regrets to the Martin family and we will be thinking of 
you and the family.

Joe

That is the Speaks Chapel 18020 E 39th St S Independence, MO.  (816) 373-3600.

Carroll Iorg

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Joe Wright 
  To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 22:18
  Subject: [ASKC] Gary Martin's Mother


  I received a call today from Gary, while driving to Warrensburg, that 
  his mother had passed away. He wished he could have attended Vic's 
  memorial, but he was making arrangements for his mom.

  The visitation will be Monday night at 6 to 8pm. The name of the 
  funeral home escapes me at the moment. It is at 39th and Hwy 291.

  I will post more information when it is availible.

  Our deepest regrets to the Martin family and we will be thinking of 
  you and the family.

  Joe



   

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Thanks Carroll.  I didn't want to try and talk, drive and write at the 
same time.  The two cell phones were also cutting out.

Joe

Dear Gary,
You're in my prayers and thoughts - my heart hurts for you and your  family.
Mike Sterling


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Dan:  I don't know why your message didn't get on the yahoogroup the
first time, but I see that it is there now.

I, like you, was also amazed at the photos Vic produced, seemingly
with no effort, but, as I got to know him over the years, I realized
his production of great pictures came down to just plain getting out
there and taking plenty of pictures, and of course his feel for
composition and light.

We both will miss him as our teacher and mentor.

Tom Martinez

--- In ASKC@yahoogroups.com, "Dan Bush" <dan@...> wrote:
>
> Thank you, Tom.  I missed the halo as the thicker clouds moved in.  
> Glad you got to see that part.    I have been replying to this message 
> since yesterday but can't seem to get it saved to the message board. 
> Hope this one makes it.  Must be something wrong with my settings.
> 
> In my previous messages I dedicated the photo to Vic Winter who was my 
> inspiration  to get into this type of photography from the beginning. 
> His front page photos in the Star really struck a chord with me.  He 
> was the best.  He lives on in his photographs.
> 
> http://www.pbase.com/missouri_skies/image/73898282

> Dan Bush
> Albany, Missouri

I selected the wrong option when an alert popped up.  I think it may 
have been Norton or Windows.  Said a port was attempting to access my 
IE explore directory.  I hit Block Always.  Probably some type of 
cookie???  Now I can't access the interent unless I disable the 
security setting.

Please respond to my jswright@....  Netscape mail still works.

Thanks,

Joe

Gary and Family,
We are sorry for your loss. May the Lord's Grace give you comfort during your time of sorrow.
 
Clear Skies, 
Randy & Iris Thompson



----- Original Message ----
From: Carroll Iorg <Carroll-Iorg@...>
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2007 10:40:55 PM
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Gary Martin's Mother

That is the Speaks Chapel 18020 E 39th St S Independence, MO. (816) 373-3600.

Carroll Iorg

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Joe Wright 
To: ASKC@yahoogroups. com 
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 22:18
Subject: [ASKC] Gary Martin's Mother

I received a call today from Gary, while driving to Warrensburg, that 
his mother had passed away. He wished he could have attended Vic's 
memorial, but he was making arrangements for his mom.

The visitation will be Monday night at 6 to 8pm. The name of the 
funeral home escapes me at the moment. It is at 39th and Hwy 291.

I will post more information when it is availible.

Our deepest regrets to the Martin family and we will be thinking of 
you and the family.

Joe

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Several people have indicated they did NOT get the latest electronic CM.

I have a major computer crash a few weeks ago. I thought I had the system completely restored but is seems a few people may have been accidently dropped.

If you have been expecting an electronic CM and haven't gotten one, please let me know so I can get you back on the list. Marcia included a nice spead on Vic in this month's issue.

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Gary,
 
We were sorry to hear of your Mother's passing. Please accept our
condolences and know that you and your family will be in our prayers.
 
 
Gary Pittman
 
 
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from the K C Star 
Doris June Martin, 78, passed away Wednesday, January 31, 2007, in  
Independence. Doris was born June 3, 1928 in Odessa, Mo., to Grover and Minnie  Harp. 
She grew up in Southeast Kansas City and later Grandview, Mo. Doris  married 
her childhood sweetheart, Heman C. Martin, in 1949. She worked for  Bendix and 
several insurance companies as an insurance underwriter, retiring  from Zurich 
American in 1990. Doris assisted Heman as pastor of the Grandview  R.L.D.S. 
church, directed and cooked for many church camps and retreats and  served on 
various church commissions. Her hobbies included cooking, traveling,  
crocheting, and genealogy. Doris's husband, parents and sister, Gwendolyn Binns,  
preceded her in death. She is survived by her children: Terry M. and Terry A.  
Pickering, Larry and Diane Martin and Gary and Devona Martin; 12 grandchildren;  
four great grandchildren and family: Mark and Milly Binns, Marilyn and Jon  
Standing, and Kathy and Richard Delehant. Visitation will be 6-8 p.m. Monday,  
February 5, with funeral services at 10 a.m. Tuesday, February 6, at Speaks  
Suburban Chapel, Independence, (816) 373-3600. Graveside service will be at  Mound 
Grove directly after funeral. Online condolences may be left for the  family 
at www.speakschapel.com Arrangements: Speaks Suburban Chapel. 
Published in the Kansas City Star on 2/2/2007. 
 
_www.speakschapel.com_ (http://www.speakschapel.com)  
 
_http://www.legacy.com/KansasCity/GB/GuestbookView.aspx?PersonId=86237473_ 
(http://www.legacy.com/KansasCity/GB/GuestbookView.aspx?PersonId=86237473) 


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I talked to David last Friday.   He was doing much better.  Most of the
symptoms he had had were gone.   His prognosis was very good.  

 

      Jackie Beucher

    EMJ - Kansas City

       800-821-2500

     Fax: 816-241-3677

Computer Fax: 630-635-4043

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DembinskiD@...
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 9:02 PM
To: ASKC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ASKC] Comet discoverer David Levy suffers stroke

 

Does anyone know anything more about how David Levy is doing?

The simple fact that he had a stroke gives very little information.

I heard David awoke with the problem. This is the classic scenario for a
thrombotic stroke (i.e. caused by blood clotting within the blood
vessels in the brain). The fact that his doctors put him on aspirin fits
with this.

The final result of a stroke can vary greatly depending on the location
and size of brain damage. Some patients have only temporary minor
clumsiness in one extremity that resolves fully; others can suffer
severe perminent one-sided spastic paralysis coupled with the total
inability to speak.

Hopefully this was not a career ending catastrophe for him.

-Dave Dembinski



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Sent: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 10:40 AM
Subject: [ASKC] Comet discoverer David Levy suffers stroke

Comet discoverer David Levy suffers stroke
David Levy, one of the world's most prolific comet discoverers, has
suffered 
a stroke. ... Levy moved to Arizona to pursue his interest in comet
hunting. 
He has discovered or co-discovered 22 comets, is the author of more than
30 
books ...
NJ Night Sky - http://www.njnightsky.com/nuke/html
<http://www.njnightsky.com/nuke/html> 

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I just want to give the ASKC a hearty 'THANKS" for the turnout at Vic's
service, AND for all the great food that you brought to the Winter home
after the ceremony.  Jen was simply blown away by your thoughtfulness.
Once again, the ASKC cam through in great style.   Thanks to everyone.  

      Jackie Beucher
    EMJ - Kansas City
       800-821-2500
     Fax: 816-241-3677
Computer Fax: 630-635-4043



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